And this is why you're the best golf channel, data, analysis, course vlogs, livestreams, discord for members and members only livestream, you do so much behind the scenes that we have no clue about either, thanks for being awesome guys
ok, I'm thoroughly confused... I would have expected more upright to = more left miss. I didn't account for the lie angle being more upright also = shorter club. Applicability for me is that I tend to miss left with all my clubs except my 7i. I thought I was probably in need of a more upright lie angle on the 7i and flatter on the rest to move that back to the center but... I'm going to watch this again to see what I missed. EDIT: I forgot we are looking at a lefty and the strike/flight logic is back-asswards... ignore my previous comment... I'll be over in the corner eating glue.
Love the techy detail, I can only hope that at a future fitting I meet a fitter that understands this. Way to often, shop assistants in big golf stores are selling brands not expert advice. Top job guys 👍
Great stuff Ian/Matt.... Makes me think about my iron setup. I play Mizuno MP-5s +3/4 Std Loft/Lie. I am a 3.7 hdcp, std iron shot is slight draw, and I'm confident up through 8-iron, fairly consistent center face contact with desired RtL shot shape. Now when I step to 7-6-5, my draw gets out of control at times. Seem like I am toe up, and hit more toe shots than center on bad swings, I'm thinking length is ok, but I feel I have to play my hands higher at address and impact to control shot shape, and I don't like this. So I feel I need the 7-6-5 bent progressively flatter to match my setup positions similar to my 8-iron (but how much??). Thanks in advance!! TXG, is my favorite YTChannel, hands down!! Chris Rogge - Minneapolos
You do realize (I'm sure you do) that the vast majority of golfers can't feel the difference in swing weights up to 1 or 2 points. That was a study that was done at one time. I agree with everything you said about the lie angle changing the SW and also the lie angles making a huge difference in your ball flight.
will a player with long arms (relative to their height) need to cut down the iron shaft or flatten the lie angle? (or both. ) what is the best approach here? if anyone has a good process/approach i would trust you and your team-
Awesome , even you guys found a gem for matty while making this , I would never have thought lying down angle creates more swing weight but it totally makes sense being slightly longer ,. 👍🏻
When I was a "handle raiser," I was fitted 2* upright and a 1/4" long shaft. I must've stopped raising the handle through the years, as I started hitting the ball out on the toe. Now I understand why (latest fitting showed standard lie, standard length). Ian's explanations are excellent, and Matt often fills in with relevant questions and insights. Thank you.
This is crazy I was fitted last Saturday with same specs for ping i525 they are on their way now but I’m scared things will go left on me I’ve been shallowing my shaft a lot better and my wrists are way better than my fitting it hasn’t sat right since I spent that $1800 5i-60 wedge 😱 I am 6’0 and wrist to floor is 36” which is green dot by ping chart but I’m nervous
@@boxerboy860 how did the clubs work out for you? I’ve just been fitted for 3 degrees upright on Ping G430’s and I’m getting worried about them. I’ve always had standard off the shelf
As a beginner, I'm hitting both left and right still. This analysis seems better suited for golfers with a consistently same swing. Only then it appears a swing could be efficiently narrowed down to what lie really works for them.
Fascinating guys!! Very informative. I’ve been guilty of just bending clubs upright for my 6’2” height and not really factoring the length issue nearly enough. Swing weight changes too was interesting. Just more information to go into a fitting with to make sure my fitter knows at least as much as me now. Lol
I am getting my 4-8 irons up 2 degrees like you had stated (6’2” as well), but I had 1/2” added in my iron shafts prior. I was pulling a lot of shots. I found the PING chart that gives a general direction based on height and ‘wrist to floor’ measurements. I am hoping this offsets, but i was wondering if you had experienced good/bad since you had the adjustment(s).
@@adamdryke7023 I was fit recently into a new set and since I went graphite shafts (53 with a bad back) they came 1/2” longer than my previous set and I only fit to 1 degree up with the extra length. The static Ping charts always fit me more upright than my swing actually needs… btw
Just watched this again in January 2023 after watching some very technical videos by Cowx. Love the techy stuff as you put it even though I am an 81 year old 16-17 handicapper. The nice thing about golf is you can never stop learning if you want to. Some of these factors no doubt apply to every sport where you swing a club or bat or raquet, but for sure they do in golf. One other element, as if there weren't already enough, is that the bend profile of the shaft can make a difference in all these elements, that is, same weight shaft by where one has a high or mid kick point while the other has a low kick point.
In this video you point out the inaccuracy of the depiction of vertical ball impact location using the Foresight GCQuad. Have you had any dialogue with Foresight on this issue? One month ago I reported this tendency of showing strikes two or three grooves lower than reality. Response by Foresight tech support has been very disappointing. Hoping your credibility would yield a more serious reaction by Foresight.
Your closing comments concerned me because I not only enjoy a good Tech Talk and understood this but I would never consider myself a 'techy aficionado' (where's that dictionary).
Id be interested to see how this correlates with promoting the ability to stand closer to the ball, i.e., more upright and then of course impacting swing plane.... my brain just exploded. 💥 lol
I was thinking the same Troy. Over lockdown I put up a makeshift net and found myself striking a lot out of the toe. I then tried standing more upright and closer to the ball and hey presto the striking greatly improved. I'm now wondering if my clubs are standard length/lie as this has never been an issue until I changed? I definitely struck my previous irons better and more consistently or maybe it's a slight change in my swing/set up? Food for thought! Thanks guys for your awesome content🏌️👍🏼
This just goes to show how wrong the thought process is of fitting tall people with very upright lie angles and typically not enough length. I have personally struggled with this for many many years with many different custom fitters who want to put me in no more than +1/2” and 2-3 degrees upright. But I have found my best results and most consistent strikes at 3/4-1” over std with std or even sometimes slightly flat lie angles. Tall people will rejoice with the info in this video. Can’t fake having proper length
So, just to confirm, adjusting the lie UP will cause the ball to pull more, shorten the club, and make the club feel lighter? (See 1:48) Conversely, when adjusted FLAT, the ball will push more, lengthen the club, and make it feel heavier?
Learned from Bradley Hughes about the importance of lie angles. He recommends going as flat as you can hit properly. The flatter the club is the less the face rotates left and right when you rotate the shaft, it just points more up and down. Picture a club with 0° lie angle vs one with a 90° lie angle, rotate the shaft and see what the clubface does. A 0° lie angle the clubface can never point left or right, it can only point up or down vs a completely upright club if you rotate the shaft the clubface turns left or right drastically. Hit drivers off your knees and you’ll find it is very hard to hit it offline. Cheers
Hey guys, I want to get your professional opinion. Can I still game an old iron with 1/4" shorter length (1999 Ben Hogan Apex Plus irons) which was the standard length at the time of its release. Example: 6 iron at 37.25" (now standard is 37.5" for 6 iron, right?) I quit golf 5 years ago due to lower back pain and was using AP2 714 (standard lie and length) and played my best golf at 8 handicap (got fitted back then). I'm about 5'9". I look forward to be hearing from you soon. Thanks in advance.
These guys really give an in depth, more scientific explanation on every subject they make videos on. I really enjoy them. I think a fitting with them would be well worth the cost.
On a GCQuad it says I’m 6-7 degrees toe down. According to the ping chart I should add 1/2” length and be 2 degrees upright. With the combination of the two would it bring down my 6 Degree toe down at impact to near correct?
Hi, I've watched this video like 4 times. I bought a set of taylormade p790 at one degree upright and one degree weak. I came up with this measurement based on my ping I 200 fitting. When I got them, they didn't feel right. I tried my best to make them work. But it wasn't. I took them to my club fitter here in the Cleveland, Ohio, area. To get the lie and angle checked. To my surprise, the lie and angle were way off, I mean all over the scale. And the length was 1/2 short. So I got the lie and angle corrected. My question after watching this video is that I am hitting everything off the toe . Should I add 1/2 extension? Or should I just get new shafts? 😢it's sad that I spent 1400 bucks on these clubs and ordered them from taylormade to get a subpar set of irons
Im slightly torn. I just had a fitting last week with cobra. I was told i need 4 degrees up and an inch longer club. Im 6'3". My typical miss is a push right(when i hit it good) and i hit off the toe a lot. I wonder if adjusting the lie up 4° will make my toe strikes even worse
HMMMM. I just picked up my clubs today that were built. Builder said to do standard length and 2 degreees flat to keep swingweight. I have been fit numeros times and always was 1/2 short 2 degrees flat. However:by this video, that means my irons play effectvily 1/4 short now? Maybe I should have just kept standard legnth and lie then...
So,, again,, I'm on a flat lie,, atleast, that's what I asked for when buying my clubs,, I have no Idea if they did it.. any way,, I have 60% draw on all my irons,, does that mean I should have a 1-2* negative lie to straighten out my swing?? ads if that is done, correct me if I'm wrong,, It will make the club longer Thus adding distance??
I was recently fitted for game improvement irons. I'm 6' and my floor to wrist is 36". I came away with +1.5" and 2 deg upright. (Recoil shaft regular fleex) The extra length seemed a bit extreme to me. He said I was hitting on the toe. I normally hit my 09 burner 7i about 135. Does the increase in shaft make any sense or should I get a second fitting?
Yep my fitter said the same crap after 3 hits on a lie board , I draw the ball but my miss is high left extreme sometimes, he adjusted me 2 degrees cause he said im off the toe, I said but my miss is left this is gonna be worse! No no the lie board is right, let's just say those clubs are sold and I bought new ones and bent them 1* FLAT and so far so good. I'm 5' 11" and pkay standard length
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I was scared when I got my fitting a week ago the fitter said ping i525 Dg x100 +.25” green dot which 2 degrees upright Im 6’0 but I feel better that I might just have a baby draw rather than a pull hook lol
@TXG, so basically I have a older second hand set since coming back into golf. Would it be better to get fitted asap with clubs that will encourage a better swing (spend money even though a pretty average swing), or should I try perfect the swing with clubs not made for me (shaft, lie, etc which could discourage positive swing changes) before going for a fitting?
Last year I was fit for new G410 irons, and the fitter shortened the club by half an inch and set the lie angle 1 degree upright. What would be a reason for this recommendation? Has it cost me distance?
Are all of the club champion locations as good as you guys? I just figured out how to stop hitting it off the hosel but i cannot, for the life of me, get the strike to the center or the toe. I used a whiff drill where i set up to the ball, intentionally missed inside the took that feeling to hitting it. Did a similiar drill with 2 balls. Set up notmal to the outside ball and hit the inside one. Still heel shots and i cant make the club hit the ball with the toe. I know i need to go upright based on data and sharpie maks i put on ball to mark club but could reducing length get the strike close to the center? How do i discuss this with my fitter aithout sounding like a know-it-all?
Good video regarding lies of iron - but it would have been more accurate with lie changes of 2* up and down from the lie that he typically plays. Going to 4* Up or 4* Flat only demonstates an extreme that is too far off the mark of where his gamers are set at. And most average golfers are not going to be fit with lies at that extreme. Unless their a fairly tall golfer or possibly a lot shorter of a golfer. There's still more to wring out of the fitting session to show how the idea fitting ends up being good for a given golfer whose getting fit...
My clubs are standard length and 2up and I ALWAYS feel like I’m reaching for the ball and the miss is off the toe. Makes sense they should be slightly longer and maybe even flatter.
Thats nitty gritty isnt it , opened a whole other can of worms . Im a toe striker and basically set up for a heel shot to gain access to the middle of the face , i dont mind the occasional heel strike that i get its just a little long left . I have to say though 8 degrees is a massive lie change ( for 3 degrees variance) ive never messed with my irons but i cannot play a wedge if the lie is as little as 2-3 degrees flat (for me). Does this difference become more apparent the closer you get to the ball ?
This is the exact reason I need to get back in to my local fitter (club champion) and have them take a look at all my lofts and lies. I hit my 8, 9, pitch, and wedges great, but my 4 and 7 irons are disasters. 5 and 6 are hit and miss
It's funny because I was talking to my pro about getting a custom fit for my irons. While talking I brought up lie angle and he noticed that I had longer arms and would probably need my clubs to be flatter. Then this video pops up when I got home and made me feel like you guys knew what I was thinking.
How tall are you ? And what are your current specs ? I am 6ft 3 , currently play standard length irons I get toe strikes alot and I feel the lie is too upright
When I look down, it seems to me my Ping irons are a bit too upright. A well hit shot tends to go left. Might an adjustment to a more flat profile help?
Great video as always. What happens with turf interaction when you go from 4 degrees upright to 4 degrees flat ? Did Matt feel like the heel was getting stuck in the ground when upright and toe in the ground when flat ?
Best thing I have ever done: finally adjusted my lie 3 degrees flat and my life is great. It feels so great. Especially with the wedges they go for The pin now and are not as random now. 😎👍🏼 And yes... my clubs became To Short after doing that...
They're saying that if you flatten your clubs, they effectively become longer--not shorter. So your clubs should be longer now that they are adjusted 3* flat.
Hi,another great video.Watching has caused me a bit of a dilemma,my ball flight needs to start a little more left implying I need a flatter lie.On the other hand my strike pattern is more towards the heel suggesting I require a more upright lie as I understand it.Can you advise me please guys.Thanks.
Great video, and frustrating at the same time. No one in my area has a clue like you do. Any advice, I am suffering from pulls or pull hooks out of the heel of all clubs, wedges through woods. Only my driver is good. JPX900 Forged at standard length and lie. I don’t know which way to turn. Thanks!
Got fit two years ago and ended up one degree flat in my Mizuno irons and wedges. Been playing Ping G410 woods and hybrids flat also. Through lessons, I find myself striking the driver down to 6 iron on the heel and leaking right. (Except Hybrid). My 54 and 58 are the opposite. Is there such a thing as progressive lie angle throughout and would you recommend? Did adjust the woods and much better results. Great stuff guys!
Hey guys. Currently playing Callaway X2 Hots at +.5" and standard lie. The PING length and lie chart says for me, being 6'4" with 36" wrist-to-floor, I should be +1" length and 1* upright. I like the Titleist CBs a lot when hitting the demos, so if I were to switch from my current set to the CBs with the new length and lie adjustments, what could I expect to see? I hit a 7i around 170 carry, usual miss is to the right.
I'm 5'10, knuckles to floor 28.5". I've always played a standard lie, which statically sits a bit on the heal. My ball flight is a high push draw,. My dynamic face angle feels open to the line even when I line up with it at the target, effectively adding loft, even when my path is enough inside out to compensate. I'm going to an iron fitting soon to replace my old and loved '84 Hogan Apex PCs. Looking at Mizuno MP-20 MB, because it's the only club I've hit that feels better than the old Hogans. When trying them out, I found I was having a low toe strike tendency, which I don't get with my Hogans. We'll see if my fitter is able to work on this effectively. Hopefully, I can guide him some based on what I've learned from your channels. Great stuff guys.
Viewed this video again as I had purchased set of i210s about year ago via static fit (6’3” tall, long arms, so got 2 degree up, half inch long), however, still not consistent. Went to club champion 2 weeks ago , after fitting w my swing and body type, going to standard lie, standard loft. Reinforces need to get expertly fitted!! Huge difference.
I honestly just came back from having my irons adjusted. Always have been standard or -1 flat Mizuno standard lies. But did change my 54 and 60 to -2° more for a total of -3 from standard T7 wedges. Read that might help me during partial shots since I stand closer to ball. Any advice Guy would be helpful or would you recommends this?
Im a 2.8 hcp playing mizuno mp18sc playing at 0,25” short -1 flat. Went to a ”custom” fit today, ordered mp20 MB, another 0,25” of as I like my 8 iron more then anything in the bag. The dna optimizer had me at normal lie, but I like the sc18 at 1 degree flat. Would the extra -0.25” cancel the 1 degree from my current set and keep it the same lie?
Thanks for this guys....so I am someone who middles my wedges but have always struggled with long irons....4 iron is hit on the heel etc.....am I correct in assuming if I was to go for a shorter shaft rather than bend the long irons flat this would help....if so it makes sneak as I can middle my 4 iron if I grip down!....thanks.
My mizuno irons are 2° up std length. I typically swing left and a bit steep poor strike is toe. Dynamic fit chart from mizuno put me +1/4" would this 1/4 make a big difference?
Another great video! I do find it funny how I need to essentially interpret the opposite of what Matty needs. I tend to have a out to in swing path, slightly open face, and I hit towards the heal side. So it's fun to listen to what Matt needs to cure his slight draw and toe side hit...and reverse it. Such great content from you guys.
I like the graphics that help explain all this. Thanks. But seriously guys, you're in the weeds talking about a change of .7 of a swing weight - or adding or subtracting a quarter-inch to the length of the shaft. To the average golfer out there, this is negligible. Esp. when so many mid-high handicappers I see choke down a bit on the shaft to begin with. You are looking at this from the standpoint of professionals when in reality the average golfer wouldn't know the difference, or care frankly.
Sorry if already answered. Should I get my lie angle fitted for where my swing is today (OTT), or for where I want my swing to be while I'm getting lessons (more inside to out)? Seems a bit counter intuitive for me to do all these things to accommodate my OTT the swing (GI clubs with lot of offset, adjusted lie angle, etc) when I'm trying to work on changing the swing, and would theoretically need proper feedback from ball flight to know when I've mishit a shot.
Is it just me or is Matty boy’s swing all arms? I mean the ball has already launched and his left heel is still flat on the ground. Shouldn’t that left heel start to come off the ground closer to impact? If I’m wrong then maybe I need to work on making contact prior to my lower half rotating. 🤷🏻♂️⛳️
Hello fellas, love your videos. I think the best on the market and I look forward to all your videos. Here's my question Sir, fitted for 919 tours last year by Mizuno fitter and you guys made me look at my paperwork and it states that my lie angle is 1' up and next to LOFT is says 2' weak, so does that mean that they adjusted my loft a bit weaker than standard? Very curious to hear your thoughts. I could send you a snapshot of my fitting paperwork, just not sure how to do that. Thanks again and keep up the great work!!!!!!!
Hey Ian and Matt I know this isn't what the video is about but I am struggling with optimising launch and pain with the driver my club head speed is 116mph I lunch it at around 15 to 16 degrees and have 3000 to 3300 back spin I have a tensei white x flex in my m3 loft at 9 degrees and weights up the front, I ma going for a fitting in about a week but would love to know some shaft ideas or something I should be looking at Ps the golf ball I use Tp5x and shot shape is straight
I feel like the truth about the clubs now are 1) they are too long and 2) irons lofts are too strong. I’m a 6 handicap and just this year went to shorter irons and they are so much more accurate. I’ve been fitted twice but never for the club length. Same with the drivers and woods, they are too long. The club companies and teaching pro’s don’t tell us but all the club companies want to do is sell clubs. If they can add distance that’s what sells more clubs. How do they add distance, lengthen the club and for iron make stronger lofts. Look at tour average for length of driver and look at average driver length for off the rack drivers. If the best players are using a shorter driver why would i use a harder club to hit? Nobody is talking about this because they all want to sell clubs to us!
Interesting science and perspective. I replaced my 3 and 4 irons with std 3 and 4 TM SIM driving irons BUT these graphite shafts were longer than std 3 and 4 irons and I tended to hit behind the ball and right. My theory was that the longer, flatter clubhead of the driving irons was causing shaft flex down, ie “opening the club” flatter and causing a push. I’ve subsequently changed shafts on the 3 and 4 to s300’s in my other clubs and cut the 3 and 4 to 5 iron length without changing lie to more upright (shorter shaft implies more upright angle to my mind so I suspect that I need to bend heads more upright to cut out the right pushes as a right handed golfer. Any issue with my logic?
I got fitted for Ping G400 irons last year and at standard black dot they were showing that I needed to go to about 1 deg upright (blue dot) but because I am left handed, they didn't have a blue dot head for me to test so we just went with it. For the last year I have been fighting with pulling everything to the right with particularly my PW - LW (5-9 seem straight or even slightly fade) Would you recommend I go and have the Lie checked again or maybe even adjust the lie angle for just those shorter clubs?
I have the same issue as Matty, strike more off of the toe. With my current clubs that I got fitted, they gave me +1° upright and +.25 length, and I hit everything off of the toe and left…. What I’m getting from this video is that I should maybe keep the added length but go down to standard lie angle, right?
I used to always grip my clubs at the very top of the grip. When I got fitted they lengthened the shaft of my new clubs. My grip is more conventional and I’ve more control of the flight and direction of my shots. My handicap has dropped from 14 to 6. They also adjusted my lie angle.
There’s no other channel out there to match the quality of this, gents - superb. I’m a 5’10” ‘high handle’ steep swinger who fights an out-to-in tendency and a toe side strike. My last three fits have been standard length, 2 degrees upright. I have a sneaking suspicion now that my swing needs to change fairly dramatically or a slightly longer club would help. Hmmm...
Makes so00o much sense, my clubs are 2 up and I fight the toe strike all the time and my irons are always going left. With 7 iron I'm drawing the ball (closed club face and tow strike) 12 to 15 yards at 175 - 178 yards. Tons of help with this one
I find this really interesting! As a 17hcp (been down to 11 half a life time ago) I have made changes to my swing towards Bryson’s side of things. Had doubles of my 7 iron and 56 degree wedge (I’m playing one length btw) and decided to have the duplicates lie angle changed from ~62 degrees to 72 degrees. Obviously, that makes the shaft way too long, and I haven’t adjusted that and only tried it a little at the end of last season. What I did find was that I hit the ball much better. Even though the club was shorter, weight was different, I felt like the consistancy in my ball striking improved a lot. Like having the ball that close to me forces me to swing really tight. I consider changing the rest of my irons and wedges. Since they’re all same length already, it makes sense to keep the lie angles the same too. I will experiment with it during the spring (in the middle of Sweden where I live). For the record, I have noticed that the ball tends to go more left than I’m used to. But I think adjustments can be made to control that. Either by aiming differently, ball position in the stance or… something! I like to experiment, and although my circumstances are far from ideal (with a ~3-4 month season), it’s so much fun to find new ways to do things. I don’t necessarily need to do things like Bryson, but he sure has made me more curious about the game, and the will to find what works for me. I’ve played golf (on and off) since I was 10 and I’m now 36. These past 2-3 years have been the most interesting and motivating yet!
At the beginning of the video, you present the hot metal pro. Considering they are not forged how much they can be bended ? You’ve builded ma a combo set with these in my 4 and 5 and I was wondering if you can adjust them as much as the 919 forged. Great presentation guys ! Your developing a group of knowledgeable customers !
I fitted myself on DNA system for a set Wilson v6 and the fitting came in at 1/2longer 1 flat kbs 120s .when the club came in they were only 1/4 longer. So I sent them back .they sent a new set the same .wasn't happy but the Wilson rep said try them. if no good i will get them changed. But they are perfect. It makes sense now. thank you.
lie angle will effect direction mostly in wedges...this is very important as these are the scoring shots. The fact that it will change swing weight is nice to think about but nobody can pick up a club and tell me which d1 or d1.5. Not important. Main focus is on shaft flex, club length which effect centeredness of hit. Once that is established we can narrow focus with loft and lie, club makeup and finally gaps between clubs (loft) and accuracy (lie) so we can lower scores.
This is so bad . I have finally worked out my lie needs changing . May I ask for a 120 yard wedge I hit straight consistently 12 yards left what lie adjustment I should look at
I’m learning way too much, way too late in my golfing life. I have my hands quite low to the ground and as a result the toe of my clubs sit slightly upright. I’m a 10 handicapper but I battle a draw/hook as my shot shape. Always thought it was a swing path issue. Now wondering whether it’s lie angle?
My miss, when I miss is out of the toe. (Left of target) Recently, I added 1” to my irons, not to address the miss but because I thought it more comfortable. Am I in for a disappointment? Can I choke up and get back to standard length? Thanks, love the content
I got fitted and was told to do 2 degree up, but shaft stayed regular and when I set up I notice my club angle is not flat it’s upright on the longer clubs? Is this normal? I hit all my clubs straight except for the 4-6 those normally will fade out.
If hands are at constant strike height, and the club toe was moved up or down (4°), ball goes left or right, at same shaft length. And loft also would be lower & higher?
Did irons from 29-30 years ago have a heavier swing weight? I find I have less feel of the club head for the past 7-10 years than what I used to and I feel it has negatively affected my swing. Everything feels so light to me now.
And this is why you're the best golf channel, data, analysis, course vlogs, livestreams, discord for members and members only livestream, you do so much behind the scenes that we have no clue about either, thanks for being awesome guys
Thanks JP!!!!!!!
@@clubchampionmedia always!!
ok, I'm thoroughly confused... I would have expected more upright to = more left miss. I didn't account for the lie angle being more upright also = shorter club. Applicability for me is that I tend to miss left with all my clubs except my 7i. I thought I was probably in need of a more upright lie angle on the 7i and flatter on the rest to move that back to the center but... I'm going to watch this again to see what I missed.
EDIT: I forgot we are looking at a lefty and the strike/flight logic is back-asswards... ignore my previous comment... I'll be over in the corner eating glue.
It takes a real man to own up to their mistakes.
And eat glue...
😂👍
I’m watching this and something seems off besides the fact that he’s a lefty. I feel like they contradict themselves in this video.
Can I get the Ian Frasier 20 piece golf nuggets and fries to go. Thank you
Love the techy detail, I can only hope that at a future fitting I meet a fitter that understands this. Way to often, shop assistants in big golf stores are selling brands not expert advice. Top job guys 👍
You could only measure this accurately with a "iron Byron" robot. Oh, or Matt of course. Sorry, what was I thinking.
Great stuff Ian/Matt.... Makes me think about my iron setup. I play Mizuno MP-5s +3/4 Std Loft/Lie. I am a 3.7 hdcp, std iron shot is slight draw, and I'm confident up through 8-iron, fairly consistent center face contact with desired RtL shot shape. Now when I step to 7-6-5, my draw gets out of control at times. Seem like I am toe up, and hit more toe shots than center on bad swings, I'm thinking length is ok, but I feel I have to play my hands higher at address and impact to control shot shape, and I don't like this. So I feel I need the 7-6-5 bent progressively flatter to match my setup positions similar to my 8-iron (but how much??). Thanks in advance!! TXG, is my favorite YTChannel, hands down!! Chris Rogge - Minneapolos
You do realize (I'm sure you do) that the vast majority of golfers can't feel the difference in swing weights up to 1 or 2 points. That was a study that was done at one time. I agree with everything you said about the lie angle changing the SW and also the lie angles making a huge difference in your ball flight.
will a player with long arms (relative to their height) need to cut down the iron shaft or flatten the lie angle? (or both. ) what is the best approach here?
if anyone has a good process/approach i would trust you and your team-
Personally, I love the tech-y side. It's the main reason I'm subscribed here.
sabr686 same here but every video makes me want to ask a dozen more questions and have them do as many more tests hahaha
Great vid for those of us who can’t get to your fitting sessions and are stuck with non-professional fitters 👍
Awesome , even you guys found a gem for matty while making this , I would never have thought lying down angle creates more swing weight but it totally makes sense being slightly longer ,. 👍🏻
I am loosing count of how many times I have watched this one. Such great information. Super geeky and I love it!
When I was a "handle raiser," I was fitted 2* upright and a 1/4" long shaft. I must've stopped raising the handle through the years, as I started hitting the ball out on the toe. Now I understand why (latest fitting showed standard lie, standard length). Ian's explanations are excellent, and Matt often fills in with relevant questions and insights. Thank you.
did you flatten your lie after? Did that help you with toe strikes?
This is crazy I was fitted last Saturday with same specs for ping i525 they are on their way now but I’m scared things will go left on me I’ve been shallowing my shaft a lot better and my wrists are way better than my fitting it hasn’t sat right since I spent that $1800 5i-60 wedge 😱 I am 6’0 and wrist to floor is 36” which is green dot by ping chart but I’m nervous
@@boxerboy860 how did the clubs work out for you? I’ve just been fitted for 3 degrees upright on Ping G430’s and I’m getting worried about them. I’ve always had standard off the shelf
@@michaelnewton2220 They work just fine actually thanks for asking goodluck to you
This channel is the benchmark for all other channels when it comes to stats, data, explanations, and humsn robot golf swings!! Best
As a beginner, I'm hitting both left and right still. This analysis seems better suited for golfers with a consistently same swing. Only then it appears a swing could be efficiently narrowed down to what lie really works for them.
Funny how Matt said do this test on a robot...YOU JUST DID!!!
Fascinating guys!! Very informative. I’ve been guilty of just bending clubs upright for my 6’2” height and not really factoring the length issue nearly enough. Swing weight changes too was interesting. Just more information to go into a fitting with to make sure my fitter knows at least as much as me now. Lol
I am getting my 4-8 irons up 2 degrees like you had stated (6’2” as well), but I had 1/2” added in my iron shafts prior. I was pulling a lot of shots. I found the PING chart that gives a general direction based on height and ‘wrist to floor’ measurements. I am hoping this offsets, but i was wondering if you had experienced good/bad since you had the adjustment(s).
@@adamdryke7023 I was fit recently into a new set and since I went graphite shafts (53 with a bad back) they came 1/2” longer than my previous set and I only fit to 1 degree up with the extra length. The static Ping charts always fit me more upright than my swing actually needs… btw
Man, this is awesome because you've teed up my question for Monday's Live Q&A perfectly! Love the annotated "chapters" as well.
Just watched this again in January 2023 after watching some very technical videos by Cowx. Love the techy stuff as you put it even though I am an 81 year old 16-17 handicapper. The nice thing about golf is you can never stop learning if you want to. Some of these factors no doubt apply to every sport where you swing a club or bat or raquet, but for sure they do in golf. One other element, as if there weren't already enough, is that the bend profile of the shaft can make a difference in all these elements, that is, same weight shaft by where one has a high or mid kick point while the other has a low kick point.
In this video you point out the inaccuracy of the depiction of vertical ball impact location using the Foresight GCQuad. Have you had any dialogue with Foresight on this issue? One month ago I reported this tendency of showing strikes two or three grooves lower than reality. Response by Foresight tech support has been very disappointing. Hoping your credibility would yield a more serious reaction by Foresight.
You guys are like mad scientist of golf, I enjoy the content, keep it coming.
Love, love, LOVE this channel. Definitely my favorite.
Your closing comments concerned me because I not only enjoy a good Tech Talk and understood this but I would never consider myself a 'techy aficionado' (where's that dictionary).
Id be interested to see how this correlates with promoting the ability to stand closer to the ball, i.e., more upright and then of course impacting swing plane.... my brain just exploded. 💥 lol
I was thinking the same Troy. Over lockdown I put up a makeshift net and found myself striking a lot out of the toe. I then tried standing more upright and closer to the ball and hey presto the striking greatly improved. I'm now wondering if my clubs are standard length/lie as this has never been an issue until I changed? I definitely struck my previous irons better and more consistently or maybe it's a slight change in my swing/set up? Food for thought! Thanks guys for your awesome content🏌️👍🏼
This is the TXG channel at its best. Great job guys. I always learn a lot for this type of video. Worthy of a million views.
This just goes to show how wrong the thought process is of fitting tall people with very upright lie angles and typically not enough length. I have personally struggled with this for many many years with many different custom fitters who want to put me in no more than +1/2” and 2-3 degrees upright. But I have found my best results and most consistent strikes at 3/4-1” over std with std or even sometimes slightly flat lie angles. Tall people will rejoice with the info in this video. Can’t fake having proper length
So, just to confirm, adjusting the lie UP will cause the ball to pull more, shorten the club, and make the club feel lighter? (See 1:48) Conversely, when adjusted FLAT, the ball will push more, lengthen the club, and make it feel heavier?
Learned from Bradley Hughes about the importance of lie angles. He recommends going as flat as you can hit properly. The flatter the club is the less the face rotates left and right when you rotate the shaft, it just points more up and down. Picture a club with 0° lie angle vs one with a 90° lie angle, rotate the shaft and see what the clubface does. A 0° lie angle the clubface can never point left or right, it can only point up or down vs a completely upright club if you rotate the shaft the clubface turns left or right drastically. Hit drivers off your knees and you’ll find it is very hard to hit it offline. Cheers
Hey guys, I want to get your professional opinion. Can I still game an old iron with 1/4" shorter length (1999 Ben Hogan Apex Plus irons) which was the standard length at the time of its release. Example: 6 iron at 37.25" (now standard is 37.5" for 6 iron, right?) I quit golf 5 years ago due to lower back pain and was using AP2 714 (standard lie and length) and played my best golf at 8 handicap (got fitted back then). I'm about 5'9". I look forward to be hearing from you soon. Thanks in advance.
These guys really give an in depth, more scientific explanation on every subject they make videos on. I really enjoy them. I think a fitting with them would be well worth the cost.
On a GCQuad it says I’m 6-7 degrees toe down. According to the ping chart I should add 1/2” length and be 2 degrees upright. With the combination of the two would it bring down my 6 Degree toe down at impact to near correct?
Hi, I've watched this video like 4 times. I bought a set of taylormade p790 at one degree upright and one degree weak. I came up with this measurement based on my ping I 200 fitting. When I got them, they didn't feel right. I tried my best to make them work. But it wasn't. I took them to my club fitter here in the Cleveland, Ohio, area. To get the lie and angle checked. To my surprise, the lie and angle were way off, I mean all over the scale. And the length was 1/2 short. So I got the lie and angle corrected. My question after watching this video is that I am hitting everything off the toe . Should I add 1/2 extension? Or should I just get new shafts? 😢it's sad that I spent 1400 bucks on these clubs and ordered them from taylormade to get a subpar set of irons
Im slightly torn. I just had a fitting last week with cobra. I was told i need 4 degrees up and an inch longer club. Im 6'3". My typical miss is a push right(when i hit it good) and i hit off the toe a lot. I wonder if adjusting the lie up 4° will make my toe strikes even worse
HMMMM. I just picked up my clubs today that were built. Builder said to do standard length and 2 degreees flat to keep swingweight. I have been fit numeros times and always was 1/2 short 2 degrees flat. However:by this video, that means my irons play effectvily 1/4 short now? Maybe I should have just kept standard legnth and lie then...
So,, again,, I'm on a flat lie,, atleast, that's what I asked for when buying my clubs,, I have no Idea if they did it.. any way,, I have 60% draw on all my irons,, does that mean I should have a 1-2* negative lie to straighten out my swing??
ads if that is done, correct me if I'm wrong,, It will make the club longer Thus adding distance??
I was recently fitted for game improvement irons. I'm 6' and my floor to wrist is 36". I came away with +1.5" and 2 deg upright. (Recoil shaft regular fleex) The extra length seemed a bit extreme to me. He said I was hitting on the toe. I normally hit my 09 burner 7i about 135. Does the increase in shaft make any sense or should I get a second fitting?
Yep my fitter said the same crap after 3 hits on a lie board , I draw the ball but my miss is high left extreme sometimes, he adjusted me 2 degrees cause he said im off the toe, I said but my miss is left this is gonna be worse! No no the lie board is right, let's just say those clubs are sold and I bought new ones and bent them 1* FLAT and so far so good. I'm 5' 11" and pkay standard length
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I was scared when I got my fitting a week ago the fitter said ping i525 Dg x100 +.25” green dot which 2 degrees upright Im 6’0 but I feel better that I might just have a baby draw rather than a pull hook lol
@TXG, so basically I have a older second hand set since coming back into golf. Would it be better to get fitted asap with clubs that will encourage a better swing (spend money even though a pretty average swing), or should I try perfect the swing with clubs not made for me (shaft, lie, etc which could discourage positive swing changes) before going for a fitting?
Last year I was fit for new G410 irons, and the fitter shortened the club by half an inch and set the lie angle 1 degree upright. What would be a reason for this recommendation? Has it cost me distance?
Very confident I could out-fit 90% of big box fitters just from following this channel. Outstanding.
So just one question for my longer irons if I make it 1-2 degree upright right misses will decrease ??
Looking to upgrade my XTD Forged with 7.0s. Good looking irons.
Are all of the club champion locations as good as you guys? I just figured out how to stop hitting it off the hosel but i cannot, for the life of me, get the strike to the center or the toe. I used a whiff drill where i set up to the ball, intentionally missed inside the took that feeling to hitting it. Did a similiar drill with 2 balls. Set up notmal to the outside ball and hit the inside one. Still heel shots and i cant make the club hit the ball with the toe. I know i need to go upright based on data and sharpie maks i put on ball to mark club but could reducing length get the strike close to the center? How do i discuss this with my fitter aithout sounding like a know-it-all?
Good video regarding lies of iron - but it would have been more accurate with lie changes of 2* up and down from the lie that he typically plays. Going to 4* Up or 4* Flat only demonstates an extreme that is too far off the mark of where his gamers are set at. And most average golfers are not going to be fit with lies at that extreme. Unless their a fairly tall golfer or possibly a lot shorter of a golfer. There's still more to wring out of the fitting session to show how the idea fitting ends up being good for a given golfer whose getting fit...
My clubs are standard length and 2up and I ALWAYS feel like I’m reaching for the ball and the miss is off the toe. Makes sense they should be slightly longer and maybe even flatter.
I hit everything close to the heel. What lie change would you recommend trying. Playing standard now.
Thats nitty gritty isnt it , opened a whole other can of worms .
Im a toe striker and basically set up for a heel shot to gain access to the middle of the face , i dont mind the occasional heel strike that i get its just a little long left .
I have to say though 8 degrees is a massive lie change ( for 3 degrees variance) ive never messed with my irons but i cannot play a wedge if the lie is as little as 2-3 degrees flat (for me).
Does this difference become more apparent the closer you get to the ball ?
This is the exact reason I need to get back in to my local fitter (club champion) and have them take a look at all my lofts and lies. I hit my 8, 9, pitch, and wedges great, but my 4 and 7 irons are disasters. 5 and 6 are hit and miss
Would you still shorten or add weight to the grip if only 2 degrees flat from standard? Or is it for more extreme cases like 4+ degrees?
More needed in extreme cases.
Mahalo
Love the channel. Not sure why you went with the lefty for such a complex video.. But hey 🤣
It's funny because I was talking to my pro about getting a custom fit for my irons. While talking I brought up lie angle and he noticed that I had longer arms and would probably need my clubs to be flatter. Then this video pops up when I got home and made me feel like you guys knew what I was thinking.
How tall are you ?
And what are your current specs ?
I am 6ft 3 , currently play standard length irons
I get toe strikes alot and I feel the lie is too upright
Not sure if this was accounted for but the guy taking the shots is fellow left hander :)
Techy aficionado... hand raised. 🙂
When I look down, it seems to me my Ping irons are a bit too upright. A well hit shot tends to go left. Might an adjustment to a more flat profile help?
Yes
Great video as always. What happens with turf interaction when you go from 4 degrees upright to 4 degrees flat ? Did Matt feel like the heel was getting stuck in the ground when upright and toe in the ground when flat ?
A summary of what certain lie angles would be helpful at the end of
I'm going to get my lie angle checked soon....be interesting to see if swing weight is mentioned
Best thing I have ever done: finally adjusted my lie 3 degrees flat and my life is great. It feels so great. Especially with the wedges they go for
The pin now and are not as random now. 😎👍🏼
And yes... my clubs became
To Short after doing that...
They're saying that if you flatten your clubs, they effectively become longer--not shorter. So your clubs should be longer now that they are adjusted 3* flat.
Such a cool video! Thank you for your wisdom
ABSOLUTELY SUPERB !!! Tremendous Insight-------The flatter the lie increases length and swing weight. is digging deep,,,,,LOVE IT!!
Hi,another great video.Watching has caused me a bit of a dilemma,my ball flight needs to start a little more left implying I need a flatter lie.On the other hand my strike pattern is more towards the heel suggesting I require a more upright lie as I understand it.Can you advise me please guys.Thanks.
Sorry I ment my ball flight needs to start a little more right.
So so GOOD! Definitely need a couple rewatches on this one.
Great video, and frustrating at the same time. No one in my area has a clue like you do. Any advice, I am suffering from pulls or pull hooks out of the heel of all clubs, wedges through woods. Only my driver is good. JPX900 Forged at standard length and lie. I don’t know which way to turn. Thanks!
Got fit two years ago and ended up one degree flat in my Mizuno irons and wedges. Been playing Ping G410 woods and hybrids flat also. Through lessons, I find myself striking the driver down to 6 iron on the heel and leaking right. (Except Hybrid). My 54 and 58 are the opposite. Is there such a thing as progressive lie angle throughout and would you recommend? Did adjust the woods and much better results. Great stuff guys!
Hey guys.
Currently playing Callaway X2 Hots at +.5" and standard lie. The PING length and lie chart says for me, being 6'4" with 36" wrist-to-floor, I should be +1" length and 1* upright. I like the Titleist CBs a lot when hitting the demos, so if I were to switch from my current set to the CBs with the new length and lie adjustments, what could I expect to see?
I hit a 7i around 170 carry, usual miss is to the right.
More of a random tech question: how can keep the lie angle adjuster at my work (DICK’s Sporting Goods) from leaving scuffs on the club?
Does flattening the lie change loft or distance?
I'm only a minute in and loving the little behind the scenes work on lie angles. Love it!
I'm 5'10, knuckles to floor 28.5". I've always played a standard lie, which statically sits a bit on the heal. My ball flight is a high push draw,. My dynamic face angle feels open to the line even when I line up with it at the target, effectively adding loft, even when my path is enough inside out to compensate. I'm going to an iron fitting soon to replace my old and loved '84 Hogan Apex PCs. Looking at Mizuno MP-20 MB, because it's the only club I've hit that feels better than the old Hogans. When trying them out, I found I was having a low toe strike tendency, which I don't get with my Hogans. We'll see if my fitter is able to work on this effectively. Hopefully, I can guide him some based on what I've learned from your channels. Great stuff guys.
Viewed this video again as I had purchased set of i210s about year ago via static fit (6’3” tall, long arms, so got 2 degree up, half inch long), however, still not consistent. Went to club champion 2 weeks ago , after fitting w my swing and body type, going to standard lie, standard loft. Reinforces need to get expertly fitted!! Huge difference.
I honestly just came back from having my irons adjusted. Always have been standard or -1 flat Mizuno standard lies. But did change my 54 and 60 to -2° more for a total of -3 from standard T7 wedges. Read that might help me during partial shots since I stand closer to ball. Any advice Guy would be helpful or would you recommends this?
Im a 2.8 hcp playing mizuno mp18sc playing at 0,25” short -1 flat. Went to a ”custom” fit today, ordered mp20 MB, another 0,25” of as I like my 8 iron more then anything in the bag. The dna optimizer had me at normal lie, but I like the sc18 at 1 degree flat. Would the extra -0.25” cancel the 1 degree from my current set and keep it the same lie?
Thanks for this guys....so I am someone who middles my wedges but have always struggled with long irons....4 iron is hit on the heel etc.....am I correct in assuming if I was to go for a shorter shaft rather than bend the long irons flat this would help....if so it makes sneak as I can middle my 4 iron if I grip down!....thanks.
My mizuno irons are 2° up std length. I typically swing left and a bit steep poor strike is toe. Dynamic fit chart from mizuno put me +1/4" would this 1/4 make a big difference?
Another great video! I do find it funny how I need to essentially interpret the opposite of what Matty needs. I tend to have a out to in swing path, slightly open face, and I hit towards the heal side. So it's fun to listen to what Matt needs to cure his slight draw and toe side hit...and reverse it. Such great content from you guys.
I like the graphics that help explain all this. Thanks. But seriously guys, you're in the weeds talking about a change of .7 of a swing weight - or adding or subtracting a quarter-inch to the length of the shaft. To the average golfer out there, this is negligible. Esp. when so many mid-high handicappers I see choke down a bit on the shaft to begin with. You are looking at this from the standpoint of professionals when in reality the average golfer wouldn't know the difference, or care frankly.
Robin Williams said it best about golf...
Sorry if already answered. Should I get my lie angle fitted for where my swing is today (OTT), or for where I want my swing to be while I'm getting lessons (more inside to out)? Seems a bit counter intuitive for me to do all these things to accommodate my OTT the swing (GI clubs with lot of offset, adjusted lie angle, etc) when I'm trying to work on changing the swing, and would theoretically need proper feedback from ball flight to know when I've mishit a shot.
Is it just me or is Matty boy’s swing all arms? I mean the ball has already launched and his left heel is still flat on the ground. Shouldn’t that left heel start to come off the ground closer to impact?
If I’m wrong then maybe I need to work on making contact prior to my lower half rotating. 🤷🏻♂️⛳️
Hello fellas, love your videos. I think the best on the market and I look forward to all your videos.
Here's my question Sir, fitted for 919 tours last year by Mizuno fitter and you guys made me look at my paperwork and it states that my lie angle is 1' up and next to LOFT is says 2' weak, so does that mean that they adjusted my loft a bit weaker than standard? Very curious to hear your thoughts. I could send you a snapshot of my fitting paperwork, just not sure how to do that. Thanks again and keep up the great work!!!!!!!
Hey Ian and Matt I know this isn't what the video is about but I am struggling with optimising launch and pain with the driver my club head speed is 116mph I lunch it at around 15 to 16 degrees and have 3000 to 3300 back spin I have a tensei white x flex in my m3 loft at 9 degrees and weights up the front, I ma going for a fitting in about a week but would love to know some shaft ideas or something I should be looking at
Ps the golf ball I use Tp5x and shot shape is straight
I feel like the truth about the clubs now are 1) they are too long and 2) irons lofts are too strong. I’m a 6 handicap and just this year went to shorter irons and they are so much more accurate. I’ve been fitted twice but never for the club length. Same with the drivers and woods, they are too long. The club companies and teaching pro’s don’t tell us but all the club companies want to do is sell clubs. If they can add distance that’s what sells more clubs. How do they add distance, lengthen the club and for iron make stronger lofts. Look at tour average for length of driver and look at average driver length for off the rack drivers. If the best players are using a shorter driver why would i use a harder club to hit? Nobody is talking about this because they all want to sell clubs to us!
Interesting science and perspective. I replaced my 3 and 4 irons with std 3 and 4 TM SIM driving irons BUT these graphite shafts were longer than std 3 and 4 irons and I tended to hit behind the ball and right. My theory was that the longer, flatter clubhead of the driving irons was causing shaft flex down, ie “opening the club” flatter and causing a push.
I’ve subsequently changed shafts on the 3 and 4 to s300’s in my other clubs and cut the 3 and 4 to 5 iron length without changing lie to more upright (shorter shaft implies more upright angle to my mind so I suspect that I need to bend heads more upright to cut out the right pushes as a right handed golfer.
Any issue with my logic?
I got fitted for Ping G400 irons last year and at standard black dot they were showing that I needed to go to about 1 deg upright (blue dot) but because I am left handed, they didn't have a blue dot head for me to test so we just went with it. For the last year I have been fighting with pulling everything to the right with particularly my PW - LW (5-9 seem straight or even slightly fade) Would you recommend I go and have the Lie checked again or maybe even adjust the lie angle for just those shorter clubs?
I have the same issue as Matty, strike more off of the toe. With my current clubs that I got fitted, they gave me +1° upright and +.25 length, and I hit everything off of the toe and left…. What I’m getting from this video is that I should maybe keep the added length but go down to standard lie angle, right?
I used to always grip my clubs at the very top of the grip.
When I got fitted they lengthened the shaft of my new clubs.
My grip is more conventional and I’ve more control of the flight and direction of my shots. My handicap has dropped from 14 to 6.
They also adjusted my lie angle.
There’s no other channel out there to match the quality of this, gents - superb. I’m a 5’10” ‘high handle’ steep swinger who fights an out-to-in tendency and a toe side strike. My last three fits have been standard length, 2 degrees upright. I have a sneaking suspicion now that my swing needs to change fairly dramatically or a slightly longer club would help. Hmmm...
Makes so00o much sense, my clubs are 2 up and I fight the toe strike all the time and my irons are always going left. With 7 iron I'm drawing the ball (closed club face and tow strike) 12 to 15 yards at 175 - 178 yards.
Tons of help with this one
I find this really interesting! As a 17hcp (been down to 11 half a life time ago) I have made changes to my swing towards Bryson’s side of things. Had doubles of my 7 iron and 56 degree wedge (I’m playing one length btw) and decided to have the duplicates lie angle changed from ~62 degrees to 72 degrees.
Obviously, that makes the shaft way too long, and I haven’t adjusted that and only tried it a little at the end of last season. What I did find was that I hit the ball much better. Even though the club was shorter, weight was different, I felt like the consistancy in my ball striking improved a lot. Like having the ball that close to me forces me to swing really tight.
I consider changing the rest of my irons and wedges. Since they’re all same length already, it makes sense to keep the lie angles the same too.
I will experiment with it during the spring (in the middle of Sweden where I live).
For the record, I have noticed that the ball tends to go more left than I’m used to. But I think adjustments can be made to control that. Either by aiming differently, ball position in the stance or… something!
I like to experiment, and although my circumstances are far from ideal (with a ~3-4 month season), it’s so much fun to find new ways to do things. I don’t necessarily need to do things like Bryson, but he sure has made me more curious about the game, and the will to find what works for me. I’ve played golf (on and off) since I was 10 and I’m now 36. These past 2-3 years have been the most interesting and motivating yet!
At the beginning of the video, you present the hot metal pro. Considering they are not forged how much they can be bended ? You’ve builded ma a combo set with these in my 4 and 5 and I was wondering if you can adjust them as much as the 919 forged. Great presentation guys ! Your developing a group of knowledgeable customers !
I fitted myself on DNA system for a set Wilson v6 and the fitting came in at 1/2longer 1 flat kbs 120s .when the club came in they were only 1/4 longer. So I sent them back .they sent a new set the same .wasn't happy but the Wilson rep said try them. if no good i will get them changed. But they are perfect. It makes sense now. thank you.
lie angle will effect direction mostly in wedges...this is very important as these are the scoring shots. The fact that it will change swing weight is nice to think about but nobody can pick up a club and tell me which d1 or d1.5. Not important. Main focus is on shaft flex, club length which effect centeredness of hit. Once that is established we can narrow focus with loft and lie, club makeup and finally gaps between clubs (loft) and accuracy (lie) so we can lower scores.
This is so bad . I have finally worked out my lie needs changing . May I ask for a 120 yard wedge I hit straight consistently 12 yards left what lie adjustment I should look at
I’m learning way too much, way too late in my golfing life. I have my hands quite low to the ground and as a result the toe of my clubs sit slightly upright. I’m a 10 handicapper but I battle a draw/hook as my shot shape. Always thought it was a swing path issue. Now wondering whether it’s lie angle?
My miss, when I miss is out of the toe. (Left of target) Recently, I added 1” to my irons, not to address the miss but because I thought it more comfortable. Am I in for a disappointment? Can I choke up and get back to standard length? Thanks, love the content
I got fitted and was told to do 2 degree up, but shaft stayed regular and when I set up I notice my club angle is not flat it’s upright on the longer clubs? Is this normal? I hit all my clubs straight except for the 4-6 those normally will fade out.
If hands are at constant strike height, and the club toe was moved up or down (4°), ball goes left or right, at same shaft length. And loft also would be lower & higher?
Did irons from 29-30 years ago have a heavier swing weight? I find I have less feel of the club head for the past 7-10 years than what I used to and I feel it has negatively affected my swing. Everything feels so light to me now.