BENDING GOLF CLUBS / ADJUSTING LOFT AND LIE
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- In this video, I share some tips on how to adjust the loft and lie of your golf irons and wedges.
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First, I enjoy your instructional video's. Second, thru my experience with club bending, I found that putting the club's in hot water before I start bending the irons, has been beneficial to " soften " the iron for easier bending. The hot water does not sacrifice the epoxy adhesive hold to the hosel and shaft.
TIP 6- KEEP A MACHETTE HANDY IN CASE YOU NEED TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL.
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Lmfao be wary of wad u comment, he show it out to us for a reason
Like the tip on changing loft and lie. Bought a home kit from Golf Mechanix and was disappointed that the bending clamp and angle scale are 2 different sets. Have to remove the club from the clamp to measure the bend. Seems they have come out with an integrated set now. The bar is good. I’ve found clamping the stand to a stable workbench also a challenge.
You need an extremely heavy bench if you mount that way. Really need a stand you can stand on or bolt to the ground.
Great information! Thanks!
Great Video, AJ... I have a putter for you to work your magic on.
I recently took my 6 iron in for lie angle change at one of the big box stores.....well I looked over at this young man clamp in and put the bending bar on the shaft instead of the hosel. Well it was a graphite shaft and he broke it. They did replace the shaft and had one of their better guys adjust the lie. This is why I try to do my club work myself....just don't have bending machine.
That's a great but horrible story!
OMG, that’s just scary!!
Hi AJ, could you test the effect of lead tape on driver to reduce spin ?
Great job
I want to bend my Scotty Newport 2 blade to 80* to have a less arcing swing path. Your thoughts on the benefits and drawbacks?
Thanks AJ for another excellent video. I have a set of pxg 0211 and 0311 p iron set. I do not hit the 0311 as far do to the weaker loft. Would it mess with the bounce of the club if I had them bent stronger. Not playing bad with them , just seems like I should be hitting the farther. Love the feel of the forged..As Always thanks for all you do
It's a 1 to 1 ratio between loft and bounce, so delofting will reduce bounce also. 1 or 2 degrees of change usually won't have much impact in the bounce though unless you are already starting with very low numbers.
@@EFGMC Thank you for the reply
Wow weird I just came to your page because 5 min ago I was think of asking you what bending machine should I get. I have a low budget
Crazy you have a video on bending
Very helpful! I have that same bending machine, but it's branded as an older Golfsmith model. I struggle getting accurate bends on it especially in wedges. Any suggestions?
All about getting the club squared up in the machine. Any LL machine is really just a clamp with a couple protractors attached to it. A calibration block can also help if you're worried the arms may be bent and giving incorrect angles.
Hi AJ,
Enjoyed the video 👍 Really liked the bending bar. What make/model is it ?
Thanks
Chris
This one is Golfworks Ultimate Non Marring Bending Bar. It's the best I've ever used!
I love your bending bar, I've used and own a few, and I have found one similar to yours is the best. However I have found it a little short when compared to others. Where did you get the bending bar from? It will definitely help with my club repair side of my business.
Golfworks Ultimate Non Marring
@@EFGMC thank you think I’ve got a golfworks one.
Hello, thank you very much for your videos, they bring me a lot. I have a question, if I want to raise the loft of my clubs by 4 degrees will I put them at risk?
4 degrees can be a lot depending on the brand and material used. Usually will know pretty quick whether you can get more than a degree or two out of a head. Things to look out for;
1) You will add bounce to the head
2) You will lose offset so if you have minimal offset to start with you may end up with negative offset.
How to bend lie angle with out bending machine, like to know how , I’m a beginner, thanks for your videos 👍
Good stuff here AJ. Where did you get that bending bar? I bought a Scotland Loft/Lie machine but no bar yet.
Also, have you heard about the Rapid Taper Excalibur iron shafts?
Would like to hear your opinion on it?
Thanks!
Thanks. The bar is from Golfworks. Ultimate Non Marring I think is what it's called.
I've seen info online about the Rapid Taper shafts but I haven't gotten any in hand to form an opinion from.
Hi AJ, I found your channel via GolfWRX Forums and have subscribed. Thank you for doing this, it is really helpful. In this video, it looks like you are bending a Mizuno MP-18 SC iron. I have a set of these, and am trying to bend the offset off of them while keeping the lofts to spec, i.e. not just bending them to weaker lofts to remove 'some' of the offset. I grew up with 'no offset' irons (not minimal offset, no offset) and really prefer them. "No offset" irons are almost non-existent now. My question is, have you done this, and if so do you have a preferred method to do this? I've taken the MP-18 set wedge, and using my Mitchell Steelclub machine, starting near the top of the hosel, did three bends in the "12 o'clock to 6 o'clock" plane, dropping down about about 3/16" each time. This got the club quite a bit weaker in loft. Then I dropped down to the bottom of the hosel as far as possible and bent back to spec loft in the same "12 o'clock to 6 o'clock" plane. This actually almost worked, with really no weird look in the hosel. A few days ago, I read a reference to doing these bends in the 10:30 plane, thus making the club weaker and flatter and removing the offset, then bending the club back to lie and loft spec in the 9:30 plane VERY low on the hosel, to keep more of the removed offset intact. Does this sound feasible to you, or have you tried it or know a better way? Make a video on the best way to do this, and thousands of single digit handicap boomer golfers will beat a path to your door. Thank you.
These were the MMC MP18s but pretty similar overall. Been thinking about doing a video on this subject. I think each iron is going to be different in how you have to tackle it. Your method you described first is how I usually try and deal with it. Pull out the offset first then go back and try to get the loft back to spec.
@@EFGMC Thanks so much for the response and for the work you put into your channel. It is very helpful and a great resource.
Great video! What's your opinion on adjusting lie angles on ping g425 irons? I need 2deg upright, but the big box shops have said to send them back to ping for adjustment.
Pings have historically been very difficult to bend although I think the more recent stuff is easier and not really any harder than any of the brands who make a hollow body style head to bend.
Another solid video. AJ, do you see any problems increasing a lie from 61.5 to 64? Thank you in advance.
Thanks. Assuming the head will bend that much, no issues I can think of.
Great video! I recently got my irons all bent 2* weak. Pw and 7 iron show some damage in the hosel. Does that affect play at all? Annoying for sure, but if play is the same I’m ok with it.
Won't affect play, but annoying yes!
That was great ! Thank you
Have you ever changed the loft of zing ping2 iron?
Once or twice but it was 20 years ago.
I'm curious why you don't make videos of your work? If you recorded some of your daily work and posted those videos, I think people would watch.
I try to do some but it's usually in reference to a specific club building topic or idea. Really it just comes down to these videos take a good amount of work to film and edit, and significantly slow down my build times.
Hey AJ, i was fit for a Mizuno Hot Metal iron set .25" longer, 1* upright, and 2* loft weaker than standard. I bought the iron set standard to save approx. $600. If i change the loft and lie to match these specs, will they play much differently then if they were .25" longer? Will bending the lofts weaker mess up the club bounce too much? Thank you! Love the channel.
Honestly 1/4 length measurements is something that bad club fitters do to seem more exact. Anything less than 1/2 is just a waste of time.
As for loft lie, 2 degrees should not be an issue with the bounce. PW would be the only club where it could possibly cause any noticeable change but I would be pretty surprised if it did.
@@EFGMC AJ, thank you. I trust your expertise!
MIght want to make a sturdier stand because when you were bending the entire stand and clamp devise was moving, hence the reason it didn't bend on the first try.
Hi AJ really enjoy your content. Have you ever replaced the weight screws in PXG Gen3 irons for heavier ones?
I haven't but I believe it's a pretty straight forward process. Not sure if they use some Loctite or similar with them, so you may need to use some heat if they don't come loose right off the bat.
@@EFGMC thanks for the advice.
You might try some light weight grips, some of the 30/35 grams ultra light grips would add more head weight. Going from 50 gram grips to 30 gram grips would as several swing weights to the head. Of course the weight screws might be cheaper than a whole set of grips.
Hi AJ, love your channel and all your videos. You have showed and make club making fun. Have a question when measuring loft and lie on a spec gauge does the offset effect your measurements. If measuring a callaway apex pro 19 - according to callaway website the specs for a 8 iron standard length 37 loft 62.5 lie and 2.5mm offset . Should my loft/lie spec gauge read these numbers and ignore the offset. Are these the numbers I should be looking for or is there some mathematical equation I need to consider with the offset.
Don't need to worry about the offset. It has no impact on the loft or lie. They are independent. That being said, adjusting loft can change the offset, just so you are aware.
Thank you so much for the response
Thanks for the video. Do you ever warm/heat the hosel before bending?
Never.
@@EFGMC Thanks.
Just curious what forged brands take a good bend without or limited signs of adjustment. Be good to know for future buying. Thanks
True forged heads will always be softer than many of the “forged” heads out there who are more forged in name than anything else. Softer heads will show more bending marks but that is part of the trade off for having a soft forged head.
As for bending cast vs forged irons, is there any extra prep or worries? I've got hot metal pros and they're about 1-2* too strong and upright for my 5'8" height and consistent large draw.
Every club is a little different and some cast clubs will move as easily as forged. Some brands also move easier than others. Won't know for sure until you start bending. Just take your time and see what the metal gives you.
When you’re building a set of clubs do you bend the heads lie angle prior to measuring and cutting the shafts to length? If you bend the lie angle afterwards doesn’t it affect the length and swing weight?
I try to at least quick check them before to know if they are close to what they should be. 1 or 2 degrees change won't make enough difference to either length or SW at least not for most people to notice.
AJ can you rebend a cast clubs if you have successfully bent it a couple of degrees before ?
If it bends one way, it should bend the other as well.
Does adding loft open the clubface or close the clubface slightly? and vice versa. I'm trying to make a 59 degree lob wedge and I'm deciding whether to bend a 58 or a 60. I tend to overdraw my shorter wedges and slice my longer clubs. Thanks
Face angle isn't considered when bending irons. However adding loft will reduce offset and vise versa for lowering loft, and a more offset club will want to fall more closed in general, so you could make that argument.
Whats the most you can bend a a Titleist T100S, I need to go 3-4 flat on them. Think they'll be ok?
I haven't tried any of them. Won't know until you start bending. 4 might be a tough ask though.
What stand do you use. Just got my first l/l bending machine and need something for anchoring.
Mine is a standing version not a anchored, bolt down one since I move mine around from time to time.
Question....can clubs be bent too many times? I got mine bent all 2 degrees weak and hated them. Took them back and had them put back to stock. Will this make them weak?
No. Softer clubs often need to be bent at least 1 a year just to keep them in spec. They don't get weaker from it, at least not in any amount that would be noticeable. Perhaps if you bent the clubs 5 degrees back and forth repeatedly, they might fatigue but short of that I wouldn't worry.
Is it best to position the bending bar as low as possible on the hosel? Thanks in a advance.
Really doesn't matter much though I try to start low and then move up the hosel if I can't get a good fit or any movement. Only time it would really matter would be if you were trying to bend out offset.
Does temperature impact ability to bend? For example if I stored my clubs out in the garage and it's 40 degrees out is there more chance of breaking than if I put them in hot water for a few minutes and warmed them up?
I don't know. It sounds like it should but I've never seen any evidence that it in fact helps to heat the hosels and in fact I've heard more often people say emphatically not to do such.
I wonder if just keeping the clubs at the same room temperature that you’re bending apparatus is in would eliminate any chance of a break due to low temps.
Hey, great video! I’m thinking of getting some P7MB’s and have them shorten the shaft .25 inches and strengthening the loft by .50 degrees. Will this affect the lie angle?
The length change might effect your dynamic lie angle slightly (1/2 degree). Can't say for sure until you do it and check the resulting lie.
@@EFGMC would it be half a degree upright or flat? I know I should get fitted, but I live in Puerto Rico and there’s only one golf store that does fitting, and they charge a lot for a fitting that it really shouldn’t be called a fitting haha. I spoke with a Taylormade expert and told me I should change the lie angle 1 degree flat. Would that be right?
@@xaviercaban325 Shorter = flatter
Hi AJ
Can you tell me is it possible to bend a set of Wilson d9 irons a degree or two flat in lie angle?
With them being cast would it compromise the hosel or clubhead?
Thanks in advance👍
Most cast clubs can usually be bent a degree or so without issue. Not a guarantee but usually the case.
Can you change lie angles for non forged clubs too? Does the metal have memory, IOW, is there a danger of the lie angle reverting to original?
Yes you can bend cast irons. They just might take more effort to bend. Metal memory is not a thing. What is happening here is the head slips in the jig during bending so the final read out says one thing but is incorrect. Then you center and square everything and take another measurement and you see that the club actually did not move as initially thought.
I have a problem with my right arm not straightening so when I sit the club in the back of the ball the toe is always sticking up do do I need shorter clubs longer clubs flatter clubs what do you think I need a little help here thanks
How the club sits at address is not necessarily the same as how it is at impact. I would check your dynamic lie angle first. Here is the easiest way.
ruclips.net/video/BeAIN--vz68/видео.html
Can anyone help me? Does anyone know if you can adjust the lie angle of the cobra king tour MIM irons
I have not bent a set but don't see why you shouldn't be able to bend lie.
When bending for lie angle do you line up with the shaft ? Did mine the other day for the first time, and I was lining up with the shaft, but as the clubs get more loft I felt like I was really getting in front of the Hosle. Measured loft and everything after was good, just curious how you line it up with like a wedge.
I bend in a parallel plane to the clubs leading edge.
@@EFGMC So even like on a wedge, the club face or leading edge is in the vice on the bender at 90 deg basically, the shaft is say 60 deg leaned from the loft, you would bend straight up or in line with the leading edge then and not the shaft ?
Random question. When ordering 2 degree weak irons from reputable big brands. Should the shafts be bent when that was done? Thanks for any info.
No, that is bad.
@@EFGMCOkay, I just wanted a professional opinion before I call and gripe. It look bent to me and so I took the head off the shaft and sure enough it was. Titleist t200 4 iron. Thank you!
Hey AJ...I have an old Spalding Elite VII putter. It's either brass, manganese bronze or BeCu...I'm not sure which. Do you know if these metals can be safely bent? Thanks.
Not sure about manganese but the others can bend.
@@EFGMC Thank you!
Curios how often manufacturers ship clubs with incorrect loft and lie angles. I am asking because I recently ordered two irons, one from Callaway and one from TaylorMade to test, and asked for a one degree upright lie and made some changes to the standard loft on both as well. Should I have them checked or can I assume they are correct? If they are not correct, what does something like that typically cost to have adjusted?
Total honesty, probably 35% chance they are correct. Seen a lot of new clubs not matching specs. Not expensive to have them adjusted. $5-7 per club to adjust assuming you trust who is doing it.
@@EFGMC Wow...that's not a good percentage. There is a small pro shop near me I can go too which is probably my best option. I am still looking at a new hybrid and fairway wood so if I throw them some business too it might help. Appreciate the reply sir and good luck with the new shop...looks great.
I just found out my new Callaway custom order 9 iron totally not accurate.
@@twang96 Yeah I have a Callaway Rogue Max ST OS 9 & AW that were special ordered. I have a 7 on the way and am taking them all in to a pro shop to have checked and adjusted. Love these Rogues too BTW Very forgiving and easy to hit nd feel great with the Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65 shafts
Can you flatten irons with graphite shafts? (I have read that you should not) If you can, what would be the limit/degree? Thanks!
Yes you can. If you have the right bending bar you should be good bending them a few degrees.
@@EFGMC Thanks!
I keep a 7 pound sledge mall on my work space, I'm thinking now I need a machete. Now for serious stuff, have you ever run across an iron set that would not bend at all, only snap. Decades ago a guy brought me a set of Goldwin irons ( cast ) to bend/tweak lie and loft, and I could not bend them at all, up-down-flat-upright. It was nothing or just snap the hosel, I found out with the 3 iron while he was watching. A couple beers and all was good, Just wondering. Take care.
I've had some that won't bend but I am usually able to stop before going too far. Would always rather say a can't, versus I I snapped something. It can even be on a case by case basis. I've had Vokey wedges that won't budge and others that bend no problem.
AJ,,,,,,could you please share the Mfg and number of your loft and lie machine,,,,,,,also the sam info on the long bending bar with the brass jaws
www.golfworks.com/golf-mechanix-clubmakers-loft-and-lie-bending-gauge/p/gm1036/
www.golfworks.com/ultimate-non-marring-bending-bar/p/gw0119/
So if lie on my club is 62 degree, and I want to adjust to 1 degree flat, do I go to 61 degree or 63 degree?
61
How far can you bend a wedge? I have a 50° MG4 that was strengthened on order to 48° but now want it to be at 46°. Is that too far and will snap or will it take it?
It may bend that far but the bounce is going to get very low.
@@EFGMC thanks, yeah I know the bounce will be low, probably lower than you should ever have to be honest. I’ve always preferred lower bounce so hopefully can get on with it, otherwise will put it back and buy a stock 46.
Thanks for the reply
Would you recommend that bending machine?
Yes. Does exactly what you want it to do.
@@EFGMC Nice! Didnt want to mention the brand or anything. Reassuring to hear. Thank you!
Hey AJ. Which lie loft machine are you using?
Golf Mechanix Clubbuilders
Golf Mechanix Clubmakers Loft and Lie Bending Gauge-GM1036 ???
Is that machete there in case the Mrs interupts you while in the man cave videoing 😂
If lie degree goes up. So say I’m at 61 and I go to 63 is that more upright or flat?
Upright
@@EFGMC thank you
Maybe I missed it but what lie and loft machine is this?
It's from Golf Mechanix
Which loft and lie machine do you use?
Golf Mechanix Clubmakers model
@@EFGMC thank you I am thinking of purchasing one myself !
You didn't discuss the results of changing bounce angle by changing the loft of the irons.
Pretty sure this video is about tips on bending clubs not the pros and cons of the technical aspects of changing loft, or at least that's what I gathered
So much better than the guy from UK
How about we give Jason Voorhees back his machete, scary dude. Nice bends tho!
Tip 7- Place camera in a position that actually shows what is being bent and how to do it.
Ya i better leave this to a professional