Bending Iron Lofts Stronger / How Far To Go?
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2023
- This video was originally posted 9/27/22.
I try bending irons stronger to see what happens and if you can bend too much?
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Bending clubs is an art. A 3-4* bend is a one club change. Forged clubs can be bent up to 4* and cast clubs can be bent 0-2*. When you flatten the loft you remove the same amount of bounce. Maintaining bounce is more important on short irons and wedges than on mid or long irons. Always check with the manufacturer prior to bending any cast club.
You also increase offset bending strong. For my taste, adjusting anything more than one degree in either direction is a bad idea.
I was wondering about the bounce. Thanks for the info.
Great video!!! This is something I’m always working with.
Best channel! Always great content
Perfect timing with this one. I need to get my new i230/Blueprint combo set properly gapped and I'm new to bending clubs. Thanks for sharing your results! I look forward to the upcoming video with the shorter irons. Maybe you could also mention the consequences of bending a club (offset, sole characteristics, etc).
What would be useful in this experiment is to include peak height and landing angle. Those two along with spin will help someone better determine how stronger lofts will perform on shots into greens. If you are hitting into an open field, all that might matter is distance and stronger lofts well struck will go farther.
Thanks for the video. I like you channel and appreciate the work.
Awesome, can’t wait to see the next video. I have a hunch that modern iron geometry/construction already accounts for jacked lofts, taking them much stronger than 2-3* May mess with dynamic iron qualities.
Thankyou so much for this demonstration. Cant wait to bend my own Mizis to get the proper distance I need.. Some less, some more...
Can definitely hear a difference!
Great video! I know some guys who are always tinkering with their clubs or looking for the perfect club.
AJ, excellent analysis with very interesting results. I started playing again a year ago after about a 25 year absence from the game. At the age of 65 I was a little discouraged to find how much distance I have lost since I was in my 30's and 40's. Here is what I have done to give me as much an advantage as possible and my results have been very close to yours.
I play a combo set of irons consisting of Taylor Made P770's for my 3-5 irons and the P7-MC for the 6 to PW. I strengthened the lofts on all the P7-MC's by 2°, so my PW went from 47° to 45°. I did not alter the P770's. After the adjustment I gained 15 yards on my PW, and on down the line - give or take 3-5 yards. I have not noticed any change in consistency in club performance but I have noticed a slightly lower trajectory in ball flight. I am hitting more greens though, as my average Greens-in-Regulation has increased from about 48% to a current 56.82%. On a broader level my unofficial handicap has gone down to 1.5 from a 4.4 last year. Of course there are other factors that have contributed to my better play and I have changed a lot of clubs in the last year in my quest for the best fitting set I can muster. I pretty much have it dialed in today. One thing I can tell you for certain is that I have a measurable amount of increased confidence in my iron play and do not hesitate to pull one out of the bag and firing at the pin. As always thanks for your efforts in educating us all, your videos are always timely and interesting.
AJ, I am in the same boat (65, quit playing in 1998, adjusting to severe distance loss). I am currently testing hundreds of clubs. I found that the best investment I made is a swing-weight scale. After purchasing one I discovered that the clubs I did not get along with are too light (C range). At the moment I am doing best with approximately 85 gram clubs in the D range. I use regular Graphite in the woods and long irons, stiff in the Mid, short and wedges. The wedges are still fine with 120 gram DG steel.
Would be interesting to see the dispersion patterns
great video. would like to have seen dynamic loft as well to see if it, or you, was affected more than the two and four degrees.
Now that you have the club bent to 24*, do it in reverse and see if the results are the same. Good video
If you do something like this again, please include the descent angle that is a key metric
All the pros need to do it. I gave a pro my 7 iron and he couldn't hit 165 with it. I hit his 7 iron -I averaged 200. His 7 look like my 4 iron. +8 degrees of loft bend.
This was very cool. In fact this is comparable with what One Length clubs are about. The loss of height with the low loft is also a factor and thus carry doesn't make the distance anymore. The swing speed should make it up ... but with the shaft being exactly the same this is where the border is. 25 degrees is probably where most people have the break point where the carry is going to drop off. Roll out is less important for me. My current single length iron 4 is 20 degrees and is a perfect rescue club for balls that have to stay low. But for good gapping my 5 (25 degrees) is just as good.
Loft is the most impacting for distance ... way more then shaft length or club head mass.
Loved the vid. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I game the Wishon EQ1-NX 5-LW in One Length irons at 37". 5, 6 and 7 iron has a High COR face to increase ball speed.
My lofts are: 25, 29, 33, 37, 41, 46, 51, 56, 61.
@@SvingitGolf Very cool, ... I see 1 degree loft added in the EQ1-NX. Awesome. I did a show down on my channel but unfortunately without perfect conditions. At least I could feel it out. Love the Wishon's looks. Great irons. The showdown was vs my Pinhawk SL just check it out ... if you are not scared of metal music. 🤣😉
Pinhawk SL (Single Length):
Club 4 5 6 7 8 9 PW GW SW LW
Loft 20° 25° 30° 35° 39° 43° 47° 51° 55° 59°
Bounce 3° 3° 3° 3° 3° 3° 3° 6° 12° 6°
Lie angles 62.5°
Weight heads 272 grams
Offset heads 3 Millimeters
Great to see more single length being used. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I generally play forged clubs and typically have a set loft I prefer on my irons. 46 Pw and 4 degrees in between each club from there. Been playing that rough set up for 5 plus years. But I also tend to want slightly more spin on my irons that most fitters. So bending the loft +\- 1 degree can also change spin by a few hundred rpm potentially.
Really Interesting and confirms what i tried myself recently
Longer is definitely not always better!
Good stuff, Enjoy your channel!
This was a good experiment, AJ. Curious...what grip is on your 6 iron? I see it's Golf Pride. Thx.
Try the last adjustment a day later when you're not tired of swinging and see if the results are similar. Would be interesting to see.
Im a lefty and my set doesn’t go to gap wedge, I’ve been really curious on what the effects would be if I just got another p-wedge and bent it 4-5°. I guess you can grind the extra bounce but I’m not sure about what else would happen? Awesome content!
Is the inconsistency due to bad turf interaction when the loft is changed too much? I’d be interesting to see comparing a standard 5 iron with 6 iron lofted down to a 5. I’d image the 6 iron be more consistent given the shorter shaft and assuming bounce of club not changing too much, but less distance of course.
Found some used TCBs and strengthened them. Were too hot and hit too many fliers. Now have them 1° weaker and haven't seen as many fliers 🤷 and still hitting my carey
Wilson D9 are very strongly lofted but behave well
I watched the whole thing but was assuming that because the Mizuno’s did not have the tech the newer stronger irons do,it would not fair well.
I was guessing that the initial bend would be performing better but unless the irons have the tech to make up for even lower lofts it would be a detriment. My guess was right on. But it could also be that at some point you don’t have the swing speed
To make lower lofted irons work like at the end of your session.
I bet if you do the test starting with the strongest loft you would have better shots.
The issue is at some point it effects offset and bounce too much to make it worth it.
Where is the descending angle which gives realistic efficient stopping power?
Different lies to get ideal for your swing, distance standing away from ball? Both loft and lie factor in?
Since we all don’t have access to loft bending tools, maybe just grab a 5 iron. At least that’s what the professionals suggest. 😊
It would be interesting to compare the 5 iron against the 26 lofted 6 iron. Personally id go for the 28 angle and spin and lose 10 yards
Honestly I’d prefer to see the carry distance. The 11 yard difference could be additional roll from 500+ less spin. I have to know if I can carry that bunker or water and hold a green since that’s where I’d be using 6 iron.
I just broke a PW bending it 2degrees upright. Sucks
My biggest concern with loft tweaking is messing with the clubs turf interaction. Have to believe it impacts the bounce of the club? I could be wrong..but that is what I have always thought and simply don't mess with the loft.
Taking loft off an iron, especially short irons, will drop the leading edge lower and create less bounce.
I have a set of Miura MC 501 irons and I would like to go 2° stronger loft on each club because I have lost bit of club head speed. What would be the Positive and Negative side of it? Love your videos
Pros- More distance with easier swing
Cons- Long irons may be harder to get airborne, and you lose 2 degrees of bounce. Usually those 2 degrees of bounce are not an issue though.
Just put the loft number on the iron like Hogan did for a while there and be done with it. The number means nothing any more.
Better yet, know the distance you hit that particular club. If you need more distance, hit a different club. It's about getting the right distance, not how far you hit one club compared with someone else. Get over it already.
Granted, you might have to adjust loft slightly to fill a yardage gap but that's another story all together.
Loft is indeed way more important. There is no industry standard for club numbers. Not in degrees and not in shaft length nor in clubhead mass. Degrees on the irons would be much better. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I want to see how far a 1 degree irons go
You also remove the bounce when you deloft. Hit those on grass and I can bet you they dig. Mats are way too forgiving
Spot on!
Thanks for your content, but I suspect that you may have been tired and/or just had a bad run. I'm not saying that the lowest lofted version shouldn't have a hair more dispersion....really by definition, but shorter distance with the main variable change being loft doesn't make sense. Of course, you're changing the soles designed turf interaction characteristics, and maybe that had lots to do with it, but I would like a redo to see if the results make more sense
If your fitting isn't done properly with graphite shafts you're pretty much screwed, correct?
Peak heights?
I purchased clubs
I bought a 73 and 76 wedge
And the only complaint is
I blade it or it goes 1 or 2 3 ft.
I bought them just for
That purpose just off the green
Or to maximize that one club to an 54 or 60 degree
Like a hooded i think
They have potential
Need help on issue
90% of golfers shouldn't carry a 60 degree wedge. I don't think anyone should carry 73 or 76.
Can the lie angle be adjusted as well? I discovered quite by accident at a driving range recently, that my irons were hitting the mat toe first. Once I realized what was happening I was able to flatten my swing and get better ball flight. However the flatter swing felt very uncomfortable and I did have some difficulty keeping it flat on every stroke. Would I be better off getting the lie adjusted for a more upright and my natural swing or should I just put in the needed practice to get to a flatter swing? Thanks, great video.
I'm no club builder, but when I was fitted for irons they adjusted my irons lie angles to match my swing. Not the other way around. Definitely worth having a good golf shop check your clubs for you and adjust if necessary.
Agree with Jesse. Assuming you're doing it correctly, clubs should match your swing.
Could you make a similar test with bending them weaker? When does the bounce get out of hands? Reason I ask is that my 4 iron is to strong, so I'm considering bending the whole set 2 degres weaker:)
I've searche youtube, and everyone is talking about bening irons stronger. No one wants them weaker:(
@@torlil I just bent my blended set 1 degree weaker in the long irons so they match better against the higher lofted short irons. 2 degrees should not give you any issues. Remember, even if it doesn't work out, you can always just bend them back to original spec.
Would have been more complete to then hit your 5 iron (comparable 24 degree club) and see what dispersion, distance, back spin, etc. was then.
Do you think this will also be the same with pings power spec? Does it matter that it’s from the factory and not bent after the fact???
Only difference is the starting point is already lower so be careful not to deloft too much.
I am very new to golf but would a 6 iron that is bent to the loft of 5 iron not in fact now be a 5 iron?
Good question. Depends who you ask. It's a club with 5 iron loft, a 6 stamped on the sole and the length of a 6 iron.
Your table should have shown carry instead of total distances. Would have been interesting to see the landing angles also. Anything below 45deg is useless.
Isn’t that just changing the club from a 6 all the way to a 4?
Why would you compare this and not just compare a 4, 5, 6 iron?
Should have done both.
can you bend ping iron
The bounce of the club kills you and makes it easier to chunk with 4 degrees.
Then you likely have more problems causing distance loss and wide dispersions that the bounce change.
I have an old set if Walter Hagen irons and thinking of going two degrees stronger any comments .
Why not try it.
I have takomo 101 and they have a very strong loft I already made the loft weaker in all my irons by 2°, if I make my irons 2° extra weaker how will it affect it? (My 6i was a 26°, now is a 28° I would like 30°)
You could try it with one or two. I find anything over 2 degrees starts to negatively effect performance.
You will also be increasing the bounce by 4 degrees so unless you take healthy divots, it could be an issue.
The vast majority of mid to high Handicap players have no shaft lean, including me.
Try this test on someone like me
Did you create a second channel too?
I did but I am only putting content on my primary channel now. The other one just as a handful of videos.
Doesn't take into account the change in Bounce. Hitting off a matt removes the effect of turf interaction.
Sans scoring irons I am not sure why bounce would have much impact for a good player since the ball should be impacted first. High handicappers I am sure, but they have more things to worry about.
It may have reduced the bounce enough to change the turf interaction??
I think so, if the bounce is 8 or 10 to start with and you turn the leading edge into the turf by 4 degrees. It would make a huge difference. I just don't understand why someone would want to change their lofts across the board on a set of irons. For gapping it makes sense, but for overal distance why not just grab a 5 iron?
@@dougcook1176 I agree Doug I’m a 35 year mast fitter/builder and I treat it almost 1 to 1 with loft and bounce. If I change the loft by 2° I believe it will change the bounce by basically the same amount.
You are correct. I believe it’s a matter of physics. You’re tilting an entire clubface forward or back. Stronger or weaker. The sole and the bottom edge of the face are also being moved at the same time in the opposite direction.
Interesting Mizuno only accept orders for 2 degree max.
Suspect that it would have been even worse on grass - you've killed the bounce.
2 degrees max is because usually you can just order the higher number club and go weak if you want more strength. So instead of say a full set at 2 degrees strong, you can get rid of the low club, and go 2 degrees/1 degree weak.
@@SDGolfGuy True, but they also call it a "safe bend" vs the metal. Very interesting to see there are GOLFING reasons not to do it. I've been seeing a lot of people in the forums saying "I can't get 3i, can I bend my 4i there"? Your results are great date to say "don't do it"!
A few weeks ago I had a new senior friend that found out I have a loft/lie machine wanted me to strengthen his lofts to get 20-30 yards more distance. He asked for his irons to be bent 10 degrees! I told him to keep his irons as is since irons are accuracy clubs, not distance clubs. He brought me cast irons which I bent a max of 3 degrees. Thankfully I did not break any irons. He gained about 5-6 yards per iron but he hates the turf interaction now (His home course has very hard fairways.). I think he is too embarrassed to ask me bend them back to stock.
If it's a driving iron, that's meant to be hit off a tee 90% of the the time, then bending 2.5 degrees strong should be okay right?
Try it. Remember if you don't like the results you can always bend it back.
this doesnt even contemplate turf-interaction...you're massively changing the bounce with big loft changes...they'll play like doo-doo!
Super curious... Are pros using stronger lofted irons? I would imagine that their swing speeds with standard lofts would create a ton of spin. Especially when they're all hitting 200 yards with their 7 irons. Thanks.