Are Strong Loft Irons right for your game?
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2018
- txg.ca - With the release of many modern new iron head designs including the Taylormade P790, Ping G700, PXG 0311 and more - we examine the launch characteristics that these irons produce when compared with a more traditional iron head style and loft configuration.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser - Master Club Fitter 
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Wait a minute.... he was left handed for the wedge fitting :-/
Got lots of comments that we had too many videos with a lefty swinging, so through the magic of editing he became right-handed for this one! 😉
Haha that's great! I noticed that too, and he's holding a lefty club behind the desk while you talk numbers.
It's leftism... Kinda messes with the head coz he clearly screwing in a left headed club the hey presto it's right, then you're sat there trying to figure out which image is mirrored until of course you notice that all the figures on screen are inverted.
Totally understand why you'd do this however a bit of candour wouldn't go amiss.
I'm a lefty so see enough right handers. Refreshing to see a lefty swing. We exist :-)
TXG Tour Experience Golf yes now you mention it you can see the writing on the screen when he plays is backwards. 😲
Another great video. Amazing detail and content. Definitely a much better understanding of the potential of the stronger lofted irons. I still play my MP H4s bc of the new stuff out there seems a bit much but as you said a proper fitting can make any club work.
Happy to see you guys growing your subscribers. Up from 1k to over 2k in just a couple of months. Keep up the great content.
I DO love the details that you guys use and share! Thank you.
I’ve learned so much more from this channel about golf equipment, club fitting, and just golf in general, than any other sources ever. I love finding out and learning the deeper layers to things and this channel is the best at exposing just that to the every day golfer.
Such great content guys, really enjoyed this. Have this issue with my irons with them being too strong and my distance control is terrible.
Having just come across TXG I've watched some of the newer videos and coming to this one I have to say Matt has improved his golf swing massively as well as his beard game since this video was made :)
I stumbled onto this one as well and scrolled down to comment the same thing his swing is much more compact and he lost that little hitch he had at the top it's impressive.
I love your videos! By far the most insightful and useful golf equipment/fitting videos. I went through the process which you detailed in this video with my P790's to make them work as well as possible. I ended up in Modus 105 Stiff with stock lofts (5-PW). Fantastic irons that give me point and shoot accuracy.
I'd love to see this fitting be redone with the tester swinging at his normal swing speed.
Great video!! Have had Miura CB202s in the bag since they came out and upgraded from the CB201s I’d had for a long while. Like the look of the P790s but it wouldn’t be an easy transition with the very strong wedge.
Thank you for this. As a single digit currently playing traditional lofts looking at new clubs and the “rave” of strong lofted irons (and my higher handicapped playing companions pulling one sometimes two clubs less than me on par 3’s) this is very helpful
Yeah Im at 8hcp and I get often bullied by my 18 hcp friends becouse the use two clubs less than me, but I usually hit the greens and they don’t… finally I can tell them that their clubs are jacked up in a strange way 😂
Great vid I did this experiment over an actual golf season going from mizuno mp15 to trying srixzon z545 irons an my iron play which is my strong point definitely got more inconsistent and I just didn't enjoy it needless to say I'm back with the mizunos
awesome job again, thanks Matt
Love the honesty. Thank you and great video
My Cleveland UHX Launcher 7 is only 30 degrees, PW is 44. Zero complaints from me. Super forgiving, great distance, and excellent control.
Great video. Very interesting. U guys make the best informative videos
I have limited experience of strong lofted/high launching/low spinning irons, but think they have a place at the top end of the bag, to fill gaps between where irons finish & fairway clubs start. I do however wonder how Matt would have managed when trying to play ‘feel’ shots high/low, shaped shots, off sloping lies etc, I suspect the standard deviation would increase hugely with the ‘power bats’? Absolutely loving the content guys!!
Nice work boys gets the mind thinking and rethinking
Working my way through the vault... Matt's swing looks better now👍
I've watched a few of your videos and find them really informative. Never looked at the Notes before and just realized you are Canadian and in Toronto!! Was just talking to a buddy of mine about finally getting custom fitted for clubs, probably later this year and a trip to Toronto (from Windsor) will be in the cards.
As I do my research into which clubs to move towards I'd really like to see more information on the impact/face contact data. With such a small number of shots to base an analysis on a couple of shots on the high toe with one club and low heel on the other could dramatically skew the results. I'd like to see a side by side comparison. As a 10 handicap straight hitter hitting Adams irons with pretty standards lofts (33 degree 7 iron) I'm leaning more towards this kind of club but would consider the stronger lofted clubs. My caveat is I'm much more concerned about accuracy vs. distance and not entirely sure the stronger lofted clubs really do provide the added dispersion I found in this video.
Come see us Johnny!
Morn Lads. Thanks for video answering an earlier question. Much appreciated. It's added to my view that with stronger lofts, getting the correct club/shaft/spin with right mix throughout the bag, e.g. 4, 5 irons & 19*, 21* Hybrids or 5 Wood at one end & "approach" clubs that produce right decent & stopping figures, 8, 9 irons & Wedges, is more essential now. I can see 1 "distance" going in favour of PW + 3 Wedges. For me one of aspects of these strong lofted clubs is need to be careful about paying £500/£700 on irons without getting proper custom fit.
Ta TXG for 💙 but before I find the right ball flight/ "descent" for me, think I need to become a "decent" speller. 😁
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Dang, Matt is a better ball striker off handed than I am normally. Great talent Matt!!
Its great seeing how much matts swing changed over the past 2 years, he has a much more solid swing and tempo now compared to 2 years ago, he even became a lefty!
Great content guys. Keep it up. It's interesting that you mention the inconsistent distances with these GI clubs. For someone who is a decent ball striker but wants as much forgiveness in their irons as possible to hit consistent distances , what are some irons heads to consider ?
great video, love it again
In my opinion, when comparing these two different tech clubs, I feel they should be compared by target distance instead of same club number. (Probably one club less for distance irons). Just because that’s how playing situations are. The landing angle and spin would be different than shown in many videos, therefore the dispersion data would not deviate as much as shown. Side deviation should be next compared... I think. You insinuate this at the end of your video. Thanks for the interesting videos!
Marcos makes a very good point and I agree with him the the comparison should have been with a 6 Iron Miura and a 7 Iron TM, rather than both being 6 Irons. (After all, the TM 6 Iron is really a 5 Iron in disguise). Also it would have been useful if you had actually gone through the shaft change with the TM rather than just raise it as a possible remedy. After all you Guys are Club fitting experts, so you could have demonstrated again how skilled you are at matching a shaft to a Club DNA. Other than that the vid was as ever excellent.
Great discussion
Hi, enjoyed the video. Like to comment on the same subject as Rodney Greenwell.
Sure it's ok to show the extra distance with the P790, but (for me) the discussion about dispersion went a bit awry. With the Muira, Matt was hitting it straight but pulling it a bit left on average with the p790. That could be offset in the club as well as shaft choice. In terms of distance dispersion, the difference between shortest and longest hits (carry distance) was 14 yds in each case.
In terms of the stopping distance, the p790 did roll out further (if we assume the software is correct in determining the response of the green).
However, when you are playing real golf, you choose a club on the distance to the hole and for 185 yds Matt would be choosing the 6 iron from the p790 and most likely the 5 iron from the Muira range - the latter would have lower spin and more rollout than the 6 iron from that range. So that comparison is not like for like.
I like the P790 myself. Average high 170’s to low 180’s in yardage with the 7i. I really want to try the new Cobra Forged TEC irons!!
admire your knowledge, great
I noticed the Callaway Epic Forged 7 iron has a 26 deg loft. Pretty insane if you ask me, most others are 30 to 32. They tricking people who don't know better that they hit the ball further when they are actually hitting a club or 2 more.
I can only speak from my experience of going from my 20 year old Yonex's with traditional lofts to M1s last year. M1 7i had virtually the same loft as the Yonex 6i, it went a very similar distance but the M1 ball flight was a lot higher (and higher than my Yonex 7i). I am an average golfer but found the M1s to be very controllable. What I decided was not to buy a 4i but go for a 22-23 degree hybrid and an extra wedge. Of course the M1 is not a hollow head design, but I do not regret my purchase
Justin Stephenson , glad the change worked for you. In your comment you mentioned 20 year Yonex irons, I game Yonex ADX Tour irons with Boron reinforced LTB600 graphite shafts similar to ones Mickelson gamed 20 years ago. I love the feel and the flight these clubs produce when ball is struck correctly. I'm curious (if you do have the same Yonex clubs) did your fitter for the M1's make any spec comparisons between the Yonex shafts and your M1's shafts? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
I think I was gaming the same Yonex clubs as you - certainly in the woods , the irons are labelled Titanium Plus+. Not sure if I had the same shaft as it is simply labelled low torque super light pendulum power system. Biggest reason for change is that the shaft is slightly wider at butt end than normal (I think that was the idea of the pendulum) and in UK it is now virtually impossible to get it regripped, even Yonex UK were down to their last few grips
When my local pro looked at my swing he felt the shafts in Yonex were not quite right for me especially in the woods as just too flexible. I have a stock regular 65g graphite shaft in the M1s but that is definitely a bit stiffer than the Yonex shaft. M1s are about a club longer for me than the Yonex's, give a slightly higher ball flight and I get a bit more stopping power on the greens with them. Pro did not do a full check on the specs of my Yonex but visually thought the lofts on the M1s were about a club less loft (ie M1 7i roughly same loft as Yonex 6i) - that would be consistent with the distances I get.
Obviously the head of M1s is a lot smaller than Yonex. I find that the combination of slightly stiffer shaft and smaller head means I have gone from hitting a straight/slight fade with Yonex to hitting a straight/slight draw with M1 irons - although several lessons with the pro probably has more to do with that.
Please show that Nippon shaft fitting! Thanks for this!
This is the best golf-equipment channel ever in the history of youtube, thank you so much!
What I wish to see, and perhaps a written answer is enough, is what some of the game improvement irons with lots of tech and cranked lofts can do. I have a set of callaway cf 16 and I hit them a long way. Sometimes way to long. But is it so that all the equipment with the tech can sometimes, when the stars align, give you extreme distances with no control? IE, I hit my cf 17 7iron around 180 yards. Which is longer than needed. But sometimes i hit i 195. Is it the club or just the launch monitor that freaks out? I have hear many people say the same thing, even on course, that this iron, sometimes gives you extrem distances due to low spin and all the tech. Could it be true or just nonsense?
Bought a set of Wilson Staff FG-49 Tour Blade with traditional lofts. My 7 iron is 35 deg compared to my modern 7i (PSi) that's 31.5 deg. Sure I have lost distance but I have gained more distance control and tighter dispersion with the blades. That alone outweights the loss of distance.
Would love to see this repeated with the titleist T100 series, with 2 irons the same but different lofts think the comparison would be very interesting
If anyone thinks tour pros don’t adjust their irons to a stronger loft are crazy. The only thing that should matter is if you get random “hot” or “flyers” off a short grass. Otherwise, pick the irons that fly best and feel best for you, identify your distances and go score the best you can. Practice, practice, practice!
Thank you guys for talking about proper fitting, shaft, lie, etc... today’s clubs are designed to have a strong baseline out of the box, but tweaking the club to the individual is key.
Ian,
Is it very common for touring pros to strengthen the lofts on their irons?
great vid.
great video guys I wish you had a shop in Melbourne Australia I want to get a new set of clubs but I'm trying to hold out until I can come there and who knows how long that will be
Guys I play off 6 and at 50 yrs old need all the help I can get with technology. I gamed the cobra forged tec but couldn't get on with them at all so demoed the new cobra speedzone irons and all I can say is wow. I hit a very high ball and generate lots of spin so for me the numbers don't lie the speedzone fit me like a glove but there not for everyone. I have played players irons for years but for golfers who suffer with distance these stronger lofted irons could be a game changer. Technology is there to embrace and it helps lots of golfers like me for sure and these sz irons look very good down by the ball for a game improvement iron 👌
Great vid again Guys 👍 The pursuit of iron distance puzzles me! The Miuras were perfect but P790 etc seem to be lacking control in dispersion and spin. The set seems to be 1-8 not 3-W and leaves big gap at bottom end?? Ian has weakened loft in fits I've seen and increased performance every time. Fair comment Guys???
The mirroring to make Matt right handed got a chuckle out of me.
Old comment but Matt is a very good ball striker right handed.
Ian, I have p790 but I’ve got them bent to more traditional lofts 24* 4i 34* 7i, do you think they will play ok or have I changed the design of the iron? Any info would be great
Great videos, keep it up
Waow, what a good video! Subscribed.
Welcome to the channel Tommy!
It would be nice to see a comparison between the Ping i500 standard spec and the i210 with the power spec
An interesting question is comparing a modern lofted 7 iron vs a traditional lofted 6 iron.... they could go the same distance, but what about spin and descent angle? Perhaps the modern 7 iron is a better performer for a given distance... shorter shaft length for more consistency combined with a better descent into a green.
Gentlemen, Great content! Freaked out at lefty turned righty (damn editing). Why the GC Quad vs Trackman?
Better indoor performance on the GC Quad and it tracks strike point location
Great video. Is there a limit on how much you can weaken lofts on the P790s?
would it be interesting to compare the 790 6 iron to a Miura 5 iron as well?
This is a big ask! but would it be possible to do a summary video on the various points to take into consideration when going for a professional fitting. I'm trying to consolidate the various pieces of information from the videos, but apart from knowing I'm likely missing something. I'm also wondering what order to approach a fitting, should I get a wedge fitting done before iron's or driver. During a fitting what should I be trying to get right 1st, Distance, dispersion, spin etc. I know the fitter should be fully knowledgeable but I've had some really poor experiences in the past and prefer to be fully aware. If I wasn't 10,000 miles away I would be knocking on your door 👍👍👍
Hello!!! Can i bent p790 2019 4iron?
Please advice
If can, is it different method than the usual method when we're bending other forged clubs?
Matt and Ian... I have a question. A player I know had a bought a new set of P7MBs and he customized the irons to a degree strong in loft which is different from what he had before. Can you explain how decreasing loft would affect ball flight and pattern? He is a fader of the golf ball and is a high ball flight player but gets great distance from his previous P730s.
Been thinking of lower loftet 790s but my fitter said best to weaken the lofts for me, Which takes me back to other conventinal Mizunos etc. QUESTIONfor Ian! Will stronger lofts not give me more curvature left and right compared to a more lofted club? Having said that a more powerful club may make me swing more smoothly with resuting better swings and numbers
Hi Matt, another great video. Just a little confused, there are so many swing changes from one club to another!! Could you please explain.....So, same shaft, same flex, same SW, but AOA has changed by 3 deg, club path is more in to out by 3 deg. But dynamic loft is the same @ 24 deg, however Maura is 31 deg & P790 is 27 deg of static loft. So why would the P790 deloft by 3 deg & Miura by 7 deg at impact? Cheers, Ant.
We noticed the differences as well. To be honest I think it had to do with the placement of the little silver dots on the clubface that help the GC Quad take accurate readings, I may have misplaced a dot or two 😬. The ball flight stats were all still accurate as normal but the club path, delivered loft, and strike point readings were a little off as you said. Glad to see someone really diving into the numbers we show!
What is your thoughts on the Muzuno JPX 900 Forged, they are a little stronger but seem to be i between a players club and a gi club?
Wouldn't it be a better comparison if u had of fit with the optimum shaft?
Make a 5 iron, slap a 6 on it, and voila. Through the magic of advanced technology you've now got a 6 iron that goes as far as a 5.
Or in the most extreme cases you have a 5i that is 19° so basically a 2i, but then 4 wedges up to 56°...
@@nutyyyy 19* 5 iron what the fuk
But launches just as high? Something more than just cranking lofts is happening...
@@haydenm.3912 I would agree. I was making a joke, but the addition of tungsten weights and modern alloys, along with new design techniques, must be allowing the newer clubs with stronger lofts to perform like their older counterparts in terms of launch but with lower spin and added distance.
@@cz5696 my 4 iron is 18.5 degree, and behaves just like a 2 iron, although they are taking it to even further extremes nowadays, like 38 degree pitching wedges with 3 gap wedges before the sand wedge
Would someone with a slower swing speed have less deviation in the ball speed vs someone with a high swing speed?
Damn Matt!!! Lefty and righty........Great editing had me for a bit.
Just editing 😉
Matt looks a bit different with his shots mirrored. I thought he was actually playing right handed until i took notice of the writing on the screen and when you changed the heads over they were left handed
I like that you flipped the video to make him appear righty. Also how are you able to swap heads? I don’t think I have ever seen that with an iron. I personally don’t like strong lofts and am due for a comprehensive bag fitting at the end of March and would really want a weaker loft with lots of spin and ability to hold a green
We swap heads/shafts using this system: www.clubconex.com/
TXG Tour Experience Golf Thanks for the quick reply. Looks like a great system.
Could you bend the P790 weaker and if so what would happen ? I mean, doesnt that affect bounce and what not ? If you bend them like 2-3 degrees weaker
I really want to game the 790, but the lofts seems bad
2º weaker at most, any more than that we wouldn't recommend. A bit more loft would increase the spin and stabilize the ball flight for sure.
@@clubchampionmedia Hi, I recently got fitted for the P790s. I couldn't get enough spin with the stock loft so the fitter had me get the set at 2 degrees weaker. When I got my set, he liked the spin rate and the launch angle I was getting from the weaker loft. My question is, how did it affect my carry distance? I can't really compare it with the stock loft because I don't have that at my disposal.
I'm a bit confused, but it would seem the larger std. deviation in Matt's swing speed is translating into a significant difference in ball speed and therefore distance dispersion. His swing speed was much more consistent with the Muira vs. the P790 and it would seem to me that's causing more of the inconsistency than the club itself being "jumpy." Instead of having Matt trying to regulate his swing to the "wider market" maybe either have someone else swing full at a lower swing speed or better yet (cause I like Matt) have him swing full. I just can't get behind the conclusions of this video when swing speed averages may have been about the same but the std dev. was so much different. I think the recent Ping i500 videos show a bit better consistency in these "type" of irons when Matt swings full.
For the past week before this video at a driving range, I've been testing P790 vs. P770 7 irons, all with a bunch of different shafts...
KBS Tour FLT 120 (lighter, higher ball flight), KBS Tour 130, Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff, Dynamic Gold X100, Nippon ____?.
I get the quick snappers that Matt does more often with miss hits using X flex shafts. I didn't find it was a function of the face at all.
I'd definitely like to know why this really odd ball flight happens exactly. I didn't load the shaft properly?
It's an entirely different flight than the same miss with a stiff shaft. Much much worse.
It seems to me that despite having a borderline S-X flex swing speed, I couldn't really discern anything good coming from the X flex shaft. There was no added consistency in ball flight nor distance on my good shots or miss hits. And my miss hits were way worse.
I've only started experimenting with shafts, just at a driving range that happens to have a Taylor Made demo cart.
Shafts are big deal though. More important than heads arguably.
I've been a near scratch player for 20 years, but the P790s made me feel like superman with how the ball rockets off the face.
They are very easy to hit and miss hits do go further.
Everything about them was better than the P770, except the feeling of a good shot, which didn't have that mushy forged metal feeling.
Would really have to test it more to see how it affects my ability to work the ball the way I want to.
With the right shaft and loft/lie set up, a lot of people will love these since they still have a blade-ish look to them.
I needed the club 1 degree flat, and that changed my entire ball flight to an easy draw and took away my high push miss entirely.
The million dollar question is, what type of numbers will you see if you bump Matt's Miura 6 iron to the same loft as the P790 stock 6 iron so both clubs have the same strong 6 loft set. That will tell you how the P790 face tech works to get that added distance, and just how much distance that is, everything else being equal.
I bet you'd see lower percentage losses in ball speed on off-center strikes, which would translate into more consistent distances and smaller overall dispersions for most people with overall wider dispersions.
Would be a good follow up video.
I mean, why don't people just bump their current clubs to stronger lofts? ...
Proper gapping, if you don't know what you're doing I suppose?!
What is it about the P790 head (with the right shaft of course) that seemingly makes it a powerhouse? ...
Flex face, driver CG characteristics with that low and back tungsten insert, etc.
Are there other heads that look like the P790 and offer the same functioning, or do they all look more like game improvement irons than pseudo/semi/almost players irons?
It seems to me that, Taylor Made just got smart, and figured out a way to make a game improvement iron look like it's a borderline players iron. And they did a damn good job of it.
Thanks for the comment! Lots of good ideas in there, we'll take note for future videos!
Do you guys have a shop in the states?
but you need extra wedges for the bigger gap at the bottom end.
Why is the video flipped
when are we going to get to see Ian's swing?
Ha, pretty soon actually Dan.
I'm not sure I understand what the answer is to the title's question?!
Video professional in me needs to know: What camera are you using? Video looks great, the colors behind Ian on the wall with all the shafts just pop.
Hey Kevin! Canon C100 Mark II is the A camera, original C100 is the B camera. Check out our latest video, we made some improvements to the lighting in the studio and incorporated some different lens choices.
@@clubchampionmedia I'm a videographer and I guarantee you no one is using that high of quality gear in their golf reviews. Most are using GH5/ GH4's. Kiddos to you guys for using awesome gear!
Is it possible for you to supply all the numbers you would need to build me a set of irons? I would like to investigate this possibility!!
Shoot us an email at info@txg.ca
Hi guys, quick question
I got fitted today into Taylormade p790 and they said I over performed with ball speed and height angle with still getting the distance, so we continue to try different shafts to see if it makes a difference, then I asked to try the 770 & I didn’t lose ball speed or height but little distance. They recommended that I get 790’s strengthen the lofts by 2.
Would it be bad to combo P790s 3-7 and 6-PW in P770 and strengthen the lofts by 2 on all? Or should I just go with full set P790?
If I was recommended to get 790s modus 120T stiff, lie 2 degrees flat, loft 2 degrees strong.
Would it be horrible to go 770’s modus 120T lie 2 flat, loft 2 strong? I am planing on working my swing to deliver the club with less loft as it is now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Love the magic trick. How did you find a lefty Miura club? I went to their website and could not find a lefty anywhere
The current LH series from Miura has actually just been discontinued which is probably why it's not on their website. We used the Y-grind LH cavity model from their previous product line.
TXG Tour Experience Golf thank you for the response. Who am I kidding, I am a while away from regaining my blade form. I have been away from the game for almost 12 years due to a back injury. I just can’t stay away any longer. That’s why god invented Advil😂
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what I learn is modern loft give more compression ratio. Therefore higher and more distance. Right?
Lower loft will produce more ball speed, and generally more velocity leads to a higher ball flight. So these irons can overcome the stronger lofts in a lot of cases because they're delivering more ball speed which in turn increases peak height/landing angle steepness.
Hi
Can you do a proper fitting when most pro shops only have a 7 Iron
We fit using the 6 iron, with a large selection of shafts and the ability to adjust loft/lie during a fitting. Once a customer has their set we also offer a custom gapping session to dial in the set for their game.
My eye 2 6 iron is 32deg loft. It might be time to upgrade when modern blades are stronger lofted than my irons.
So could getting a club like a Ping I500 with a retro loft could potentially be the best of both worlds?
Could be, absolutely!
So how about the Titleist AP3 would that give a similar result...?
Likely, similar loft configuration. Not the same head design though so there may be some differences.
Just saw this one i know its old but wtf Matt hitting right handed. And hitting it better then I do lol
You talk about it being easier to go into a green with less club but it’s not less club, loft for loft just a different number on the club?
Rodney Mounsey it it’s definitely easier. Going into to a green with a shorter club is easier if the loft is the same.
I asked a fitter as to why Good players 7 iron Club lofts are normal (34 deg) and why are High Handicappers 7 iron Club lofts coming down in loft (28 deg)? he explained this to me. he said, “Most Higher Handicappers come into the ball with the face open as they try to scoop under the ball and doing this causes them to put more loft the club by 3 degrees doing this. However, a decent/Good player will hit down on the ball by about 3 degrees trying to squeeze it, thus knowingly de-lofting the club.
So, if both players are playing together and they are both using a 7 iron, the High handicapper will change his loft at impact from 28-31degrees and the low handicap players will change his loft at impact from 34-31 degrees.
This explains why most better players shy away from strong lofted clubs as they would make their 7 iron loft way too strong and their ball flight and spin rate would come down to much.
Ironically, the high handicapped player playing with a more lofted better players iron would hit their shots too high and create to much spin, making them go less distance.
It sounds like a viable answer, but what are your thoughts on this chaps?
Love your videos and this strong loft discussion but seems like you have missed the main benefit of this tech., you should have use a 7 iron in the TM for comparison...all numbers would probably be better, distance would be about same and Matt would have a shorter and for most of us a much easier club to hit??
What would make sense is to test the both irons in the same loft. Clearly Miura 6 iron pergoms like TM 7 irons because of the specs. If you test a 6 iron compared to a 7 iron from the same set, 6 iron distance will be longer, spin lower, dispersion bigger etc. just as you found out from your test.
Hi Duncan. The point of the video was to test modern stronger lofts versus traditional lofts. That has been a common request on the channel over the past couple of weeks. Thanks for watching.
My Mizuno MX200 iron7 : 34° loft and my Cleveland Ta7 : 35° loft.
31 ° /30° would be classic !!
is he hitting right handed as a lefty - WOW!
I definitely did a second take and realized the wording on the screen was reversed when he was hitting. Nice job with the editing!
Oh my god, Matt Blois can hit right handed, how cool is that . . .
So for the high spin iron players, that traditional blades iron with weaker lofts are going to exaggerate that spin potentially. Would it be inappropriate to have a bladed iron strengthened in lofts 1-2 degrees to control trajectory? Especially if the feel and look of that blade suits your game and confidence at address.
Yup that can be a good options
It's not an extra club in difference! The lofts mean that they are different irons, regardless of the number on the bottom. Your set still requires the same range of lofts, whether your clubs are labeled "3-SW" or "5-LW".
TXG mentions that the ideal decent angel for a 6-iron should be between 45-48*. What would be a good decent angle for a 7-iron. Thanks in advance.
I actually thought he was swinging right handed lol 😂
i'm sorry, you used the same shaft, so either the Miura is fitted with a shorter or the TM is fitted with a longer shaft. Strange comparison... though the difference is probably small
Not sure what you mean Harry?
i'm sorry, English isn't my native language... I meant shaftlenght. with a 6 iron lenght in a 7 iron head (the TM 790) there would be a minor difference to the standard shaftlenght of the 7 iron. I find a 7 iron lenght more comfortable than the 6 iron lenght
No problem Harry. Both iron heads tested were 6 irons of the respective brands. The TM iron does have a stronger loft but it's still designed to fly like a 6 iron. Shaft length was the same for both.
So lefty been working hard on increasing swing speed if your striking it that good right handed or were you just mad that FSX isn't showing graphics for a lefty. ;-) Great video.
Actually did it all in editing, the righties were feeling left out!
@@clubchampionmedia Matt you can indeed produce magic turning that Left Handed P790 iron into Right Handed In the blink of an eye!
show the lefty swing !!!
Def nice irons but these bad boys need custom fit and measured bc from what I have heard through many sources is that TM lofts have been really sloppy this year......sometimes off 2 or 3 degrees.....So great heads but for gapping purposes they need to be checked and not just trusted off the rack (-: Miuara tolerances are no doubt better
How far will the loft cranking go?? People are going to start hitting wedges in from 180 some day 😂.. also, if it’s easier hitting a club less, then why don’t those single length clubs that Bryson DeChambeau play take off?
So switched handed matt is faster than me!
IT's so weird to see Matty swing right handed!!
Joshua Walker iron Byron
Instead of comparing 6 iron on the Miura against 6 iron p790 how about comparing both clubs in the same degree then that would be a fair test
That would negate the point of the test. Because doing that would cancel the design points of a p790.
It really would. Although the lofts are clearly much stronger on the p790, the 6 iron head has been designed to give the ball flight of a 6 iron - and we saw that in this test where the launch angle and peak height numbers were nearly identical.
I agree with Rodney, it would have been a nice comparison without the spring face in the mix
Well in your test yes they do launch practically the same but I play wilson v6 my nephew plays p790 and my brother plays m2 and I can assure you there 7 irons definitely go further but there on course launch and peak height is far lower than my 7 iron even though all the reviews claim they launch similar
That could be down to your swing though. I hit pretty standard lofted clubs (33 degree 7 iron) and until a swing overhaul last year I was a very low ball hitter even with the standard lofts. I hit the ball way lower than all of my buddies.
Iron is about consistency and control...I don't want my irons to roll 12 yards after it lands... Miura wins for me.
you must be good. the average green is more than 20 yards. what is the harm of 10 yards roll?
@@marcvanderbilt9324 about 30 feet
The issue with lofts is one of gapping. What's the point in hitting a 5i further when its essentially a 4i or even 3i? Just means you need more wedges further down to the fill the gaps. Its basically like playing music chairs. You could have a 3 wood with 10.5° of loft and a 460cc head but that doesn't change the fact its a driver. Its just a marketing ploy really. Which is fine as long as people aren't being deceived.
You want to avoid having large gaps in the distance you can hit your clubs not to hit each number further and further. What does it matter if you hit your "pitching wedge" as far as an 8 iron if it means you have take an extra two wedges?