Why this watch is worth the premium - Oris Aquis Caliber 400 Review and Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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Today I share the new Oris Aquis with the in-house Caliber 400 movement. I highlight the differences between this latest version and my own sellita based Aquis Lake Baikal. The new release carries a price premium over the current generation, and considering the upgrades, features, and changes. I think it is well justified. We talk the reasoning in this video. For those interested in Oris, Breitling, Tag Heuer, and other brands. Reach out to Richard below. Tell him Bruce sent you and you will get a great price-
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Thanks for this comparison Bruce! Can’t wait for the 30 day review! Getting My aquis 39.5 tungsten bezel about 5 months ago (my first Swiss watch ever) I’m now setting my sights on an omega dive watch. Even without the cal 400 this watch is crazy good. Cheers mate!
Great review, Bruce, thank you. Never crazy about the thick lugs making for a semi integrated bracelet. That quick release, though makes up for it. Got to say, it's intriguing!
At this price point, they could of thrown in Lume in bezel.Time will tell how this movement does. Good video !
There is problem with the new cal 400. The minute hand will jump randomly forward or backward when u push in the crown. Initially I thought it’s just a one off bad movement but I am wrong! Every piece I tried (4pcs) have this issue.
@@pth8888 I hope its a bad production run, and they will recall all released pieces for correction.
Nah. Really id prefer no lume in the bezel. Its excessive. Zelos does it well, but it's not for everyone. I don't think they omitted it to save cost
@@pth8888
Very disappointing, and I'm addicted to Oris. I checked 4 watches myself, The problem with the hand of minutes exists in everyone of them. And when I asked in ORIS. They say it's okay. And invent a method of cheap chinese watchmaking to overcome it. I think this is a serious problem. And they have to collect all the watches sold. And solve the problem first. In my opinion the mechanism as it is today, causes serious damage to the name of the company. And it make me sad.
I have 14 watches from ORIS this is my favorite company. And it was all written with great pain. And I can not believe I'm writing this. I’ll will not buying it, until the problem is solved by the people of ORIS . with great pain, I gave it up.
@@themaker1000000 it's how the movement works, this isn't a defect. it's because of torque on the gears, if you choose to set the time by going back in time before pushing in the crown it will not jump, because you release the tourque
The Baikal dial is maybe my favorite dial. Its definitely up there. You can see it and immediately identify what it is. I love that. I really need to get one before they get too hard to find. I love how you talked about the baikal not having an in house movement or regulated movement in your review and now the caliber 400 is here. Great foreshadowing Bruce. 😝
Like you have the bakal and really like it . I’ve owned many aquis so I’m a fan but personally it’s easy to get a deal on them so this is twice the price . Power reserve is probably not that important to most if you wear a watch constantly or rotate a large collection it’s of no use at all really . Even if you wear it for a few days leave it off for 5 the likelihood you are going to reset and give it a wind . I’ve owned over 100 watches and never had magnetism. in the event it happens it’s a simple fix so no drama 10 year warranty is only of use if your sure you are going to keep the watch long term . Moreover if you have a problem with a selita it’s fixed locally cheaply and probably within a few days .. In house you will have to send it back to the manufacturer and probably wait months for the repair . In real world Conditions this is probably of no advantage at all . A whole lot of garnish by the marketing boys to justify charging twice the price..i will stick with my selita variant...
Totally agree.
Yes sir absolutely! I would like to add only one thing -> The Decoration or better yet the lack of it :) They think it's ok at this price point to leave the movement look like this "because it's a tool watch" ... That look as plain as 7S26 in my book .. ridiculous!
The Aquis is singular, brutal and not for everyone. That fume dial on your Aquis is what I would opt for. It is Oris' answer to the Seiko Monster. They sit in very different price brackets but the spirit is very similar.
I was waiting for this review! Awesome!
Unboxing of the one sent by Oris should go tomorrow
brilliant photography, and a great review!
Or is reaching out to you is big time! You made it! Nice review as always, looking forward to the 30 day review!
Oris... Stupid auto correct
Hi Bruce! I really enjoyed this video. It was nice to be treated to one of your videos that focussed on macro shots and close ups of watches with your narration, like the days of old. All of your content is strong, but this was great. Thanks.
Every review gets the macro video bro!
@@BruceWilliams it just felt more like your old school vids for some reason. Your pre 2020 production style. I could be incorrect, but it just had that feel to me.
Hi Bruce! Been subscribing and watching your videos for some time now and I really like your reports.
Purchased the Aquis with the 400 movement 2 weeks ago. The first day it came in to my local AD. Loved the package with the antimagnetic, 10 year warranty and service intervalls. Was a bit sceptic to the size, but as I read a lot of reviews of the Aquis that stated it feels smaller on the wrist I found it rather easy to wear, thanks to shorter lug to lug distance. I love the design of the Aquis! So many divers try to look like the submariner with a twist. Not my cup of tea. The Aquis design stands strong for it self. Time keeping has been very good so far.
I really hope people are not being scared away from considering the Aquis w the 400 movement because one guy on RUclips has had trouble adjusting time on his. Remember the Tudor BB GMT had huge problems with date changes on early models and has chenged a lot of customer movments. But everyone just loves to love Tudor... Glad I have choosen something that is less mainstream! 😊 Keep on the good work Bruce! 👍 regards from Norway
Agreed. Also that individual opted not to have it repaired or replaced and just returned it after making several videos. I couldn't take that seriously. Seemed disingenuious to me. Every brand will have an issue from time to time. I have had issues many times it's part of the hobby. What matters is what you do in those situations.
@@BruceWilliams watch his videos on the matter and you'd see he did every possibly thing to rectify the situation.
@@bboooobbyy yeah I watched them. Also saw his post about this comment. Wouldn't be surprised if he made a video about it
Hey Bruce , great video as usual . I would love to hear your 30 days review of the oris Aquix 400 . I am interested in that watch but became hesitant after I saw one reviewer having issues wit the Minute hand jumping every he tries to set the watch . He also said that the 5 days power reserve doesn’t last five days after winding the watch for quite some time . Can’t wait to hear your experience With this piece . Keep up the great work Bruce love your Chanel
Thanks! Will be happy to report on those items! So far no issues on the two I have tried
Great review. Well done and thank you. I would get rid of the lake one as well. It's like looking into a bright light. The calibre blue is so much nicer. The watch is not perfect but it's pretty good.
Big congrats to Oris for this new calibre and watch release! I'm really happy that they're finally stepping up their movement game as this was the only downside they had imho. I'm also happy to see that they chose the dial variation from the 'Save the Ocean' limited edition for the new Aquis Calibre 400 as it's imho the most beautiful Aquis dial out there until now!
The only bad thing I see on the movement is that it's pretty big as most newer manufacture movements from other brands are as well (e.g. Tudor). I'm a little scared that this is the end of smaller Oris sports watches or that the smaller versions will keep the Sellita movements... time will tell!
Great video. Overall, very solid offering from Oris and good for them for following through with this project. I think putting this movement in their Aquis dive/sports watch will break them out of the mid-tier pack in a way their 11x calibre watches or even their ProPilot X just couldn’t quite.
A few comments to add to the discussion though. First, I’m hoping/assuming a black dial and bezel version is incoming. Second is that I do think the competition between the SM 300m and the Aquis is stronger than implied (I own a BB and while it’s a great watch, the Omega and Aquis are more comparable I feel). That’s a testament to what Oris has done to raise their game and to Omega for making an effort to price aggressively; the watch community wins!
Back on topic though, while I don’t want to imply that hundreds of dollars of difference is pocket money, it’s IMO marginal compared to the assumed life of the watch.
If you look hard enough, you can find Omegas on a bracelet for a few hundred more, and on a strap you’ll be at the Oris price. If the price hike over the standard Aquis is justified for you Bruce, then I could make the same case for the bump to the Omega: you get a stronger brand name, nicer looking movement, and original, truly iconic design, as opposed to the Oris which while distinctive in its own way, is very much just a traditional-looking dive watch.
That said, I think Oris will see some sales with this...
I love the quick release strap on my Big Crown. Such a useful feature! It’s interesting to see where Oris are positioning themselves at the moment. Until now I’ve seen them as direct competitors of Longines, with this new watch they are going head to head with Tudor. That’s no bad thing, in that price range there’s no real competitor to Tudor, where as with the Longines bracket it’s getting crowded. Tbh if I had to choose between this new Oris and Tudor right now, I’d go Oris...objectively it’s a better watch with the power reserve, quick release, AR coating, ceramic bezel, anti magnetic etc etc. That’s not to say Tudor watches aren’t great but I do think they’ve got a little lazy over the last couple of years with lack of competition
I’m a fan of the sandblasted industrial finish on the movement. It’s got the same industrial look as the Tudor MT in-house series. Will be interesting to see how the twin barrels keep time throughout the 120 hour power reserve.
Many people issue with New Oris Aquis is the size...it is too big.
Not sure why Oris hasn’t released a 40mm option for the Aquis yet. They did release the 41.5mm one but it only came in 1 color and I feel 40mm is just the sweeter spot.
No, I have wrists like match sticks and it looks ok. :)
@me-cq7wv me too...got the 41.5 and it wore too small so replaced it for the 43.5, looks fine of my twig wrists
Is it weird that I've always found the Aquis too shiny for my tastes? Much more attracted to the BB58, which I own. Anyway, having tried on an Aquis, I know the quality is outstanding and it's cool to see an independent company doing something like this. Hopefully the quirks Engineer Wannabe experienced are few and far between. Great review!
I think that the dial is better looking as well. It is a more prominent sunburst versus what looks a bit speckled in the other one. Both are gorgeous watches.
Oris such a great brand, general public are only just catching on to the great design and value they offer.
I’d definitely purchase a new Aquis.
Great review. Well done Oris for supplying an example for the 30 day review, I look forward to it.
Keep up the good work! ✌🏼
Just got the review sample in yesterday. Will post a video about it tomorrow
Hello Bruce . Beautiful. But not so sure myself about the movement yet . I think the dial changes are an improvement aside from the text . Aquis over 300M all you need
Quick release to change straps is cool, bad news there is no straps that will fit those lugs lol
At 2:08, is the lume marker at six misaligned? Or is parallax making it look off centre?
It's about as handsome as can be. really looking forward to your lengthy review. Some people have had issues with the new movement, hopefully you won't. I'm wondering if you know whether this caliber will fit in the smaller size Oris watches. I'd guess that it should. Great episode per usual!
Thanks bro. I just got the one from Oris in last night. No issues on that one either. I wonder how many have an issue, or if it was just one rather public one from a reviewer
Once these caliber 400 come out in the 41.5mm case I’m ALL IN
My Hong Kong Oris dealer already confirmed he would give me our previously agreed on 30% off any Oris and the 41mm that’s (hopefully) soon to be released. No sales tax over there either......
Would rather get another watch at that price point. Tudor or Omega maybe
Does Tudor offer 10 years warranty *AND* a 10 year service interval?? Nope
Does it offer 5 days of power reserve? Nope
Does it have an open back? Nope
Moot point really comparing them...technically for this money the Oris *shames* the Tudor...but we get it...you're in the *I want a watch that maintains its value* camp...to the point of being so brainwashed that you can't objectively analyze anything else 🤦🏻♂️
I think the Oris has just jumped in front of Tudor and Omega with the Aquis Cal 400
Would like to get your Lake Baikal !!!!
Would love to see it on the new QR rubber during your 30 day wear.
For $3500 the anti reflection should be perfect.
So they can engineer that unique bracelet release and an in-house movement with 120 hours PR, but they still can't make a quick-adjust clasp or a lumed bezel? I don't get it.
can't or choose not to?
I prefer the date located closer to the edge of the dial, so yeah, I prefer the newer layout. Plus, the white numerals on the black background looks a lot better against the dark dial color.
The only competitor I can think of is the BB also. The new movement is incredible, I would like to see more colour options from this new calibre.
How good or bad is the lume brightnes and lasting off the lume in one night compared to the seiko prospex and is the lume off the new oris better then the other you got?
Watched Till the end :)
Mvp
Oris: as soon as you are ready to sell me a black dial+bezel in 41mm... I'm ready to buy it.
Me too, cannot wait for 41.5mm versions with this new amazing caliber.
I love it, a smaller case would make it perfect. Antimagnetism is a useful feature for desk divers and all the electronic stuff around.
I hope to see the new movement in the 41.5mm Aquis size
1:51 the lume is not centered with the date window 😢
Scandalous!
WIS- the only fans out there who will notice a .03mm difference in lume plop placement lol
You can never unsee that now.
😂 Wooow. Love my aquis but so glad I don't have his issue.
@M m I hope you get blocked for being a twat.
Totally agree with date wheel. Ooof why did they change the marker? Ee
Ha ha. I have that bear mug too. Honestly, I like the style of Bruce's watch better. But the new movement is cool and I can see increase in price. But the amount increase seems a tad too much.
At the higher price point that the new Aquis with the Caliber 400 commands I would go with the Tudor BB58 in blue
"I don't like extra text" but you wear a Rolex lol. That's the thing keeping me away from Rolex honestly.. You out me onto the Oris reef which I love so I give you props for thst though :)
While the Aquis is attractive there are more things I dislike about it than like. I'm pretty anxious to see what else gets the 400 treatment that appeals to me. The movement itself it top-shelf and I'd love to own one.
One of the most beautiful diver.
They could've easily done away with Pressure Resistant on the dial
your opinion is your opinion. Got it!
I was wondering with regards to the 10 year warranty is that going to be subject to servicing and what are the service intervals? Great watches.
Recommended service interval is the same- ten years
I have a Big Crown Pro Pilot GMT. I like it but have found that I don't need the GMT complication and I don't like a small second hand. I'm currently trading it in for a Big Crown Pro Pilot with date and sweep 2nd hand. I am surprised that the rotor is not red. I thought one of the hallmarks of an Oris was the red rotor, but maybe that has changed?
Bruce to me it looks like the new movement will fit in the 41.5 but not in the 39mm. Does it seem that way to you? A black/black 41.5 with sliding clasp please, Oris!
Been mulling over the Tudors, Omegas, and Sinns at roughly this price point of up to $5k USD. Honestly, even with the hacking issue, this Aquis is winning me over.
The blue is alluring. The dial is tasty. The movement is aesthetically pleasing to me, the anti magnetism is great, and the display case back is unnecessary but so welcome!
Time will tell what I end up getting, but this piece sure does seem a good way to go, especially when a factory rubber strap can be so easily swapped with the bracelet for yard work, etc.
I passed on a Tudor because the new Aquis 400 just called to me. So I purchased it first. No regrets! My watch doesn't suffer from the hacking issue. The Tudor is still on my list.
Don't like the smaller ORIS logo, and I don't like the extra line of text on the dial. Glad I got one with the old hands and less text, regular screws for bracelet changes.
How many times should I wind my Oris 400 caliber??
Did you put it on the timegrapher? How did it do?
A great Oris would be the Lake Baikal with an In-House Movement
Of lately Oris is making great pieces
I even liked the PPX
It's very worth it, the biggest downside is you can get a same looking watch for third of the price :x I love the Aquis, but there is so many watches to buy
It’s like buying a car with a 2.0 or a 3.0: most won’t notice but you will
I hoped for a little more decoration on the movement. Oh well.
I'm really interested in getting an Aquis. I'm just stuck on either the Great Barrier reef or the Gangnam(?) (green dial). Any thoughts?
If you like the extra complication on the limited editions and the slightly more confusing dials then there is no wrong choice. It's totally personal. However you are getting the exact same watch as a normal aquis which I personally think is a little cleaner and neater in design. For the money, if you shop wisely you can get both, a nice deep blue and a green in the normal aquis preowned for the price of one. I've owned them all and it's better value. Just to throw you off, throw a Rado captain Cook 45mm on your wrist just for the sake of it. I did and bought it too.
That dial puts my blue mm200's dial to shame lmao hotdamn
Nice
Does it have the minute hand jumping problem?
I just got the second example in from Oris. No jump on the two I have handled. Will report on this over the thirty day test
@@BruceWilliams Hoping for an impartial, 'no mercy' review as always.
@@hasininan5501 For sure!
Some RUclips postings about this are really worrying. Hey, even Tudor had issues with new movements ! Just to say ETA movements are not to be considered second grade.
ya all of them, any way. What I chekd
I know your in a hot area, but I would love to see a shot of this with a cuff or sleeve just to see how the cuff rides up on the watch
3:33 "tool movement" | 3:35 "this isn't a dive watch" | Huh?
7:27 Now if only Oris would give us some strap options other than black rubber. How about that nice orange strap from the Oris Carysfort Reef GMT LE?
thats a sick cup
At £1600 the Aquis used to be one of the best watches pound for pound but now the new inhouse movement has moved the watch to £2700 placing the watch in Tudor or nice second-hand Seamaster territory so as nice as the Aquis is I think they may struggle.
The £1,600 selitta movement version is still going to be made going forward along side the new cal 400 one
I’ve seen some reviews of the new movement that aren’t favorable. The power reserve is not as advertised and the minute hand jumps and requires wiggling of the crown to set the gears. That’s not great so I’d go with the Sellita movement and save money.
I only saw that one from Engineer Wannabe. No issues on the two I've tried. Looking forward to reporting on the PR
This one could sway me to plump for the brand I really admire. Good review and look forward to your 30 day review too. Really curious about the bezel action and overall wearability.
That watch is shiny!
Hey Oris, if you are looking to send some of your watches out for review - I'm here. :)
120h is amazing
Honestly not a fan of the oris aquis looks or thickness tbh, I'm sure it's a great watch
Would definitely prefer the baikal
5 days in the txt does not belong on the dial........put that on the back.
Hi bruce,someone else,in another review,"discovered"that he couldn't adjust exactly the minite,it showed like it jumped,when he inserted the corone,tell us your oppinion.Hello from Greece.
Yes I saw that video. It's too bad he didn't want to get it fixed or replaced under warranty. The two I've handled have been perfect
@M m they did not. And if there is any exchange of money or promise of a discount, or a free watch it's always disclosed. It's how you keep integrity
Nice watch but in the UK at list it's only 75 dollars less than a Black Bay 58. If they had made this in a smaller case (41mm seems popular!) and a more competitive price then they would have a real winner.
Omega Seamaster vs Oris diver 5 day?! Which watch is the better buy?
Depends on what you like more and your budget 😜
Lum bezel too
"...not at a Tudor Pelagos-level of paragraph of text" 😂
While I do appreciate what Oris is doing, we are venturing into Omega/Tudor territory here...
You enjoy lume, a good (the best) bracelet, a contemporary design and size, from a solid brand. Why don’t you have a pelagos?
Haven't found a good price on a two liner
How does the movement perform?
Will do a 30 day report on this. So far perfectly and no issues
@@BruceWilliams No issues... Really?
@@tynchytemper9618 in the two weeks since that comment I've had a couple niggles. Will do a video
Did you have a problem when setting the time with the new caliber?
I did not. I also got the one from Oris yesterday. No issues on that one either. It seems that one person had an issue and made several videos about it. Happy to report on the PR and the accuracy over the next few weeks
@@BruceWilliams tks for the feedback. It's normal for a new movement to have a few quirks at first. I was wondering with the "wiggle the crown" that this behaviour was to be expected on all the movements and not a few outliars. Let's see if this caliber can fit in the smaller cases ! Great video as always ☺️
The wife is not happy! 🤣 Can't believe you are getting rid of that beautiful Oris!
It hasn't sold yet lol and thankfully she likes the new one
An entry level luxury Oris at Omega & Tudor prices... difficult to sell IMO, no matter how good the specs are. The others also do discounts.
But not as low as Oris. I'd still put it at a better value lower price than ore owned or gm Tudor or omega
That's just a nice watch, period. Love the color too.
I agree about the text on the dial. I feel like the "5 DAYS" is really unnecessary. Especially on an automatic watch, and one with NO power reserve indicator at that
Where is the power reserve indicator? I don't see one on the dial or movement.
@@ugabrew sorry, I meant to say one that DOESN'T have a power reserve indicator.
@@ElliotDrinksWater Ah, gotcha. I agree. They should drop the "5 DAYS" and probably also drop "PRESSURE RESISTANT".
I think it would look a darn sight better if it just said Aquis
5 Days
with the 5 days in red, nice offset against the blue dial and a red tipped second hand and red enamelling around the old Oris logo on the rotor bringing old and new Oris together.
I’d be wary until we assured the jumping minute hand and poor power reserve issues are proven to be just a temporary glitch..... Especially with price now going into Tudor / Omega territory....
I've only seen one guy with that issue
The movement looks like a Miyota
I don't know if I ever seen a compelling Oris or Glycine watch. Something off putting by the dial.
Have you checked the Diver65 Momotaro ?
@@jeanlefranc3817 I haven't, but I searched it. It does look a lot better. Thanks
Arguably its the Sellita powered Aquis that is not vfm. Not sure that I would go for a 400 over a Black Bay.
Yes the BB would cost more for sure
It’s not that big I just tried it on and compared it to my 41 Tag Aqua racer it’s no bigger and I’ve got a skinny wrist
Non Chronometer certified?
It is not a certified chronometer. Though it does get regulated to -3 to +5 sec per day which is a little tighter than COSC tolerances
It ticks every box. So much spec for the money
Shame they didn't release it in a brand new watch... Its nice, but just putting a new movement in an old watch really doesn't highlight it or make it feel special. Too expensive given the competition for a souped up old model.
Personally I really don't see the point of a date on a diver (if your memory is so bad you need constant reminders then you have problems!) & wish manufacturers offered date and no date versions. If it absolutely has to have a superfluous date function then 6 is the only place to put it. Cheers. 👍🏻
@@Bu-22 😂
Fun fact- 10y warranty, 10y service intervals. So, most likely you will never use this warranty...
Yeah my 7 year old will nearly be 18 when the warranty expires. That is wild to think about
It will if it has any issues
While I do think this is an incredible release, I'm unsure how much it's really worth it. I think comparing AD price levels is not entirely correct, because you sacrifice very little by purchasing the Sellita model from the grey market. To benefit from the full 10 year warranty, you must get the new model from an AD and the price quoted in my area is 3150 EUR. A similar Aquis without the new movement, can be found brand new on the grey market, from reputable shop, for only 1410 EUR! Thus, the new model is, in practical terms, 120% more expensive. That's a lot and I'm having a difficult time justifying it.
I'll never play the grey market roulette wheel. Too many poor experiences from me. One one good one. Its just not worth it, especially when you can buy them from an AD for almost the same price
@@BruceWilliams Fair argument and I would do the same if I were considering a Rolex, but for a Sellita powered Oris, I would risk it for the biscuit and save the extra 350 EUR.
Was interested in this but has issues with hacking check it out on RUclips
Plus Great video
I saw one video about it. No issues on the two I've tried
@@BruceWilliams so only a 33% chance of it being a dog. Is this good enough for your viewers Bruce? Whose side are You on?
@@inglebybhoy3293 lol there is no 'side' to take.
Too big and shiny. Looks more like a show pony than a tool watch. Brush the bracelet, close the case back, lume the bezel and use the 41.5 mm Aquis case. The movement and warranty are great. The price of $3500 is fair. In my opinion Oris is always a step behind what the collector wants. Rolf are you listening?
Is that your real name? Or are you a fan of true crime?
@@BruceWilliams I am a fan of ciphers and cab drivers named Paul.
@@arthurleighallen9038 And Zodiac watches I presume
@@BruceWilliams I am unofficially a brand ambassador. The bean counters at Zodiac get nervous about murder allegations. It's good publicity.
yeah, but Omega is Omega
Oris Aquis is on of the best value watches. Unlike many swiss watches, you can plan for owning one someday .even if you don't have deep pockets
I'm sorry, but there is nothing impressive in this watch's 2500 gauss magnetic resistance.
The entire new Omega family with the 8800 movement has a resistance of more than 15 000 gauss.
lol oh the ignorance
@@BruceWilliams Now that was constructive and informative