one of the jurers was the father of an employee of the Mantawoc sheriff's dept, one was the spouse of an employee and another was a volenter worker at the Manetwoc Sheriff's Dept.
Lol and according to the juror that had to be excused those 3 very strong biased opinions swayed the other jurors votes. So this goes to show the retrial needs to be out of wisconsin and a whole new, independent, unbiased jury and judiciary
I think police found the car and body the day that cop called in the plate , when they realized that she was last seen at Stevens they decided to frame him. think about the amount of blood that would of been in his house or garage, no way he cleaned it all up , then the blood in car ,u can see it was placed there in a few spots . if he was bleeding from his finger it would of gotten all over and not in that pattern. this guy was framed
So her car was just magically found and only seen by the one guy who was going to use it too frame someone? It also had to be found pretty soon after she left avery's for them to burn the body and place the remains in his burn barrel.
@Chase Postell Nope, Colburn was on his day off the date he claimed he told a cop and fully accounted for his whereabouts at the trial. IF you really believe Rahmlow could remember the face of the cop he spoke to for a few minutes 10 years later then you are gullible as hell. Ive not checked it out myself yet but I've heard that the cop he spoke to actually checked out and made a report about it but as I havent read it first hand I wont speculate.
@Chase Postell again colburn was of that day regardless, so either your truckdriver is mistaken not hard to be after ten years or he's just plain lying. Tell me more about how someone broke into Stevens house to steal his blood as he slept
I think Bob Dassey was involved. 1.) In Brendan’s interrogation, he stated that the killer “was mad at Teresa for not getting his Blazer into the thing.” The cops didn’t inquire more about what Brendan just said even though he just revealed the motive of the killer. They just ignored his statement because they knew it was Bob’s Blazer. 2.) Brendan left the property just before or right after Teresa left. 3.). There was hardcore/demented porn on the Dassey’s computer. Bob has the sexual motive to perform such an act. 4.) In trial, Bob directed the blame from himself to Steven and Brendan. A possible scenario is that the cops were going to pin the murder on Bob convinced him to help frame Steven Avery instead. P
They had to go back 7 times to search and the local police wasn't supposed to be there but were and they are the ones who found everything. bones , key , then not to take pictures of bones before you touch them or to pick them up with a shovel ,this all stinks .
Well usually a crime spot would be taped off and forensics in white suits let in, no one else allowed in. Crime scene, bones and the burn pit photographed multiple times by a professional (Not one) photo was taken of any evidence. Also Manitowoc warned off the Coroner and didn’t allow her on the property or do a report, they used an out of town coroner 1 month later
I understand its just a real puzzle to me because one side side one thing and rhe other is saying something different then what Brendon Dasey said. I just dont think we will know the full story and truth of what happened and the torture Teresa must have gone through. God knows the real truth and I just would love to see closure for her family and Avery
Yea u might b right. When i seen that episode I got sick to my stomach. I said OMG his step father did it. U notice Barb aint in the videos with mama and papa Avery? Im thinking theres alot of tention there. Steven had issues with certain family members it was apparent. Plus I always wondered y they testified for the state. The truth will come out and soon and i cant wait. We have a real live soap opera!!!!
And the proof? Usually that's pretty important before you implicate multiple people in a giant conspiracy involving murder and evidence tampering by police officers
I feel that Brendan's mom knows more than she is letting on but playing stupid bc shes afraid of her husband and "loves" him.....personally this miniseries adjusts my view of Wisconsin as a whole state....all the levels gone through and the still want to hold Brendan and Steven responsible.....its as dumb as refusing to take your medicine bc someone might see you and think you are not immortal....
I am from the chilton and manitowoc area and know how crooked every one is there. I’ve seen it. I now live far away and have no intentions of going back
I'm with the sheriff on this: it would be easier for them to kill Steven instead of Teresa. Colborn or Lenk could just kill him and then "investigate" the place afterwards and while "investigating" he'd dispose of all the evidence. Much easier than killing Halbach, bring her car unseen to the yard, cover it up while not being spotted, get away from the yard unseen (how? by walking?), plant the bullet and key unseen. If Steven is innocent, than it went like Strang described.
+Gold Kenny he does, he said neither Steve nor the cops killed Teresa. He thinks someone else did it and expected it would be easy to get away with it all by framing Steven. The cops would love to believe Steven was the culprit
Someone killed Teresa after she left the Avery place. That someone went directly to the police to confess. Those police told that someone to go home and not to ever speak about that again. See video for what happened next.
FU 2 .. I think it was Ryan.. he inserted himself in the family and in the searches.. he had items from her car.. really?? Doesn’t her family see this.. and she was telling people she was afraid of him.. (remember the girls from Ohio.. the piece of shit that stole them off the street ( he has no name to me).. he helped with searches.. hugged her mom.. took an rented them a car etc.. I can’t believe Teresa brother didn’t find it strange that he just so happened guessed her password
Omg Lenks name was obviously added to the signing sheet. Look at the space there between the names (2:37). There was no room between 1808 and 1812 to add "LT. Lenk" and still his name WAS added afterwards. This needs to come as evidence as well.
They didn't find any skull fragments on the bullet after forensic testing, since it "exited" Teresa's skull there should have been skull fragments but there were none.
What shocks me is how can all of us and most of the world see the truth but yet the ones in suits walk free. This video was more truth based than the one's whom helped frame him in that court room. All for the greed of money nothing more. My heart goes out to all the victims in this case. I pray karma finds its true way and serves its own justice.
That call by Colburn to dispatch was staged: the dispatcher never took time to enter info in a database and then tell him the answer--SHE DID IT IMMEDIATELY LIKE SHE KNEW THE QUESTION BEFORE IT WAS GIVEN TO HER!!! She conspired with Colburn on that call!! That incident right there showed some kind of cover up or police corruption of the scene which should have nullified their credibility!! I don't know how Halbach ended up dead if she is dead but Avery didn't do it and there was some kind of bad mishandled frame up job done on him which should have created enough doubt for even the average imbecile idiotic dolt from that county who didn't have an "ax" to grind against him to find him innocent at trial!! A true miscarriage of justice done in this case!!
Many people are questioning the validity of this asdumption based on no evidence.For me it's not about evidence but about motive!Motive is very substantial in this case!
Except that this is just a video and actually framing someone in the tight time frames that would have been needed and not being seen would be virtually impossible.
Totally agree-Lenk and Colburn were not even parties to the lawsuit and never faced personal liability. I am shocked that people would rather believe that the police killed Teresa rather than Averyy. Did they even know Teresa before this? How would they know her schedule? How did they put the car and bones behind Avery's property w/o anyone seeing it? I cant believe how gullible people are .
I think the police killed her is a little extreme, but that does not mean Avery did. If Avery did not kill her, then It is more likely the police took advantage of some tragedy that happened. The questions you ask about schedules and such show you have no idea of the area and how it works or you would know they had all kinds of opportunity. If there was collusion in a bait and switch, then that came with blessings from the top, but it does no mean they killed her. There are many many questions about this crime that need to be answered. If you have someone in charge calling the shots and others taking orders, it can go in different directions. Do some more research. This is small town area. Many people were related or knew each other.
Your assertions are so vague that they are meaningless. "It is more likely that the police took advantage...."if there was collusion..that came from blessings from the top"..If you have someone in charge...it can go in different directions" Be specific-who framed Steven Avery?
sorry, but there is nothing solid there yet, only questions. That is because I believe the problem is with the investigation not the evidence itself. I am not going to go around accusing people of a capital crime just because I have an opinion, but that is just me. The latest findings of child porn on a Dassey computer is problematic considering there was no investigation into that felony. This never came up at the time of the investigation. It was buried. That piece of evidence is indisputable. That has just come to the surface. On the bright side it means things could still come to the surface despite the amount of time that has passed. We will see
Yeah it's pretty much how I speculated it happened, but it's nice how your video helps visualize it. What I don't understand is how jurors found them guilty. Anyone with just common sense would totally agree with your theory, unless they were bought.
I think KP and TK hired a hit to kill TH and frame SA for murder. They held the lawsuit over JL and AC as leverage to get them to clean up the mess and ensure the evidence gets planted and found. Those two top Sheriffs garnered decades of loyalty.
i dont think there was a murder at all. Either Teresa does not exist,which explains her "families" bizarre behaviour, or she has a new identity under witness protection,on another continent.
I think you're right, she's still alive to this day in 2022. The perfect crime, convict an innocent person of a murder that never happened. No Body, No Tears. When Karen Halbach sees Brendan in a jail jumpsuit on the way to court she starts laughing. Any mother of a raped/murdered/burned girl would be in tears and screaming at him. Very suspicious behavior that makes me think Barb Janda was partially right when she said "I think the Halbachs set this all up, I really do." Why would they? Look at the job her son has now, a Multi-Million dollar a year job for the Green Bay Packers. I think Lenk and Kusche set it up after being deposed and enlisted the help of the Halbachs and others, possibly including certain members of the Avery family.
If the state were capable of murdering a random girl and framing Steven Avery, why weren't they capable of killing Avery and making it look like an accident? Why go through the trouble of killing a random girl, and then framing Steven with evidence, witnesses, and a family testifying against each other, meanwhile putting the entire state at risk, only to be tried in a court room where they wrongfully convicted Steven the first time? Do you know how insane that sounds? Also, the police department isn't who deals with the lawsuit. The police department is funded by the state. The state of Wisconsin would have the incentive to avoid paying out 36 million. Not the police department. The police department is tax payer funded morons. Nobody at the police department would have lost a dime, so why would they do all of this? That would have came out of the state's pocket. And last time I checked, these weren't state cops.
In my opinion the police probably want to be the ones to have the last laugh to look like the winners in the end. Because right there at that point time Steve Avery was winning because he beat the first case and was actually going to win again by winning a second case in his lawsuit. Killing him would be too easy and even if they killed him they still look like losers and Avery would still be the winner even in death. They wanted to prove a point and score of the last point and be the winner in the public eye
The true timeline and pings from her phone put her leaving Avery’s property. A phone call after she left to her place of employment making another photo appointment!! The phone call and pings prove she pulled over at one point! Which I believe was the police pulling her over. Blood splatter In The back of the car proves a quick attack prob smashed in the head pushed into her car , burned at quarry, bones scattered at Avery’s, car dumped and volunteers given camera and direction to locate car. Boom it all begins. However, I do believe Bobby & Step Dad made to assist police because threatened with convictions them selves as well as the ex boyfriend all made to participate or lie in someway
Great video. Well put together. And totally 100% in my opinion as well is the way it happened. With out s doubt in my mind. I feel so bad for Steve and Brandon. Especially Steve getting screwed twice by the same cops. So crooked I truly hope these cops get what's coming to them and that fucking pervert procecuter
This is stupid why would they call in the plates 2 days before it was found if they had it the entire time? Why would only 10% of her bones be found. They came across this and got it on the Avery property for 2 reasons they thought it could possibly be Avery but more importantly it was best if it was. Days later they had to know it wasn’t, that’s the part that is so disheartening, to me it worse than Murder
This is disgusting and disgraceful. Small town inbred dirty cops. I bet they didn’t think this murder would make so much noise. It’s a shame Steven and Brendan’s life’s are in these hicks hands and impossible to over turn Kathleen is amazing but those guys will never get the time they lost back
It's a theory. It's far more probable than the states version. One thing I notice off hand, is that this version still doesn't explain the few remaining bones stuck in the bottom of the burn barrel behind Dassey's. I feel like there's more to that barrel than it's talked about.
A lot of people here make some very valid points but you need to go look at the information that isn't presented to you in a documentary on HBO. There is a ton of boring information to sort through and it makes Steven look a hell of a lot more guilty. For example, people talk about the garage not having blood in it but fail to mention that the cops found multiple bottles of used bleach and other cleaning products. Bleach absolutely destroys blood, even the luminal test can't find blood if it's been bleached. There's just so many things that point towards him if you really dig deep into the case
The cops are not going to kill an innocent girl just so they can frame Avery for a murder because of the lawsuit. First of all the counties insurance company paid for that lawsuit so why would the cops care? Second, why involve Brendan into it if they just wanted to frame Avery. The kid had nothing to do with the lawsuit and only would have complicated things which he in fact did.
As Tobias has pointed out, insurance was not going to cover the lawsuit and many had much to lose. Killing Avery would just pass his lawsuit onto his family. But making him a murderer and putting him in prison would completely throw out the case and eventually settle with him quietly when he needed money for a lawyer to defend himself against the framed murder.
Wooster001 the counties insurance would not pay in this case because framing Avery for rape and letting him sit there for all those years is a”malicious act”. E and O and liability ins would not pay for a malicious act. The county and the people invoked would be liable jointly and severally
All three victims in this case deserve the truth! Teresa Halbach's family and her many loved ones deserve closure through JUSTICE! All three have received life sentences for which were NOT DESERVED! Pray for truth and justice to prevail, particularly for Teresa's family, Avery's family and Dassey's family. #PrayerGroup333
Basically everyone from the state and counties side had incentive to frame Avery. He was literally going to own the town and the two detectives possibly were facing charges for their conduct on Averys first conviction that got overturned etc.
the cops were definately orchestrating it all. they had to get teamates to help them so they found them all and set them up like little pawns. however i still get a funny feeling bobby and scott killed her.
I personally think it's ridiculous to think the police killed Halbach. If Avery was indeed framed, it probably went more the way Strang described it... that a third person killed her, not Steven or the cops, but that he knew that if he left some evidence at Avery's, it would make Steven an easy suspect, because of the history between Steven and the cops.
Thats just as ridiculous as well.. How wouold said person know she had just happened to go to Averys and that he would be the last person known to have seen her alive?
same here, if only it was possible to learn their whereabouts nearing the day of her disappearance. it would have been very easy for them to learn exactly who would be the best target visiting Averys salvage yard if they had been monitoring his phone calls endure simply just watching his house. but I would bet that they were listening in on his phone calls, which is how they most likely learned of her visit but I would bet that they were listening in on his phone calls, which is how they most likely learned of her visit to photograph the vehicle. If this is the case they may be possible to find out if there were any wiretap done on the Avery complex, or any request for Phone record by the Police Department before her death. also one thing I keep seeing people miss is the people is that most likely paid the police officers to pull off the crime. if that happened then perhaps digest watching the police officers spending habits for unusual purchases, may prove an additional motive.
and the cops that ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED due to the lawsuit are the ones that find the key AND the bullet. but Zellner already has proven that A) that bullet never touched human bone, and B) they demonstrated that the .22 rifle Steven supposedly used was not powerful enough to go in and OUT of a human skull, as this wound did with whatever weapon was supposedly used.
luckily for the framing masterminds, the woman who they were going to frame Avery for murdering showed up at his house alone, the very same day/time the police put into place their massive frame operations. also, lucky that Dassey pointed everyone to all the places the masterminds with unlimited time and resources would later plant all the evidence.
Uh, no. I think she was murdered by someone else. They found her truck and body and made the decision to pin it on Avery. It's a stretch to claim that anyone, let alone a cop, would resort to murder just to clear themselves in a civil suit.
Its bigger they framed him the first time on the beach I was there and helped search for the victim on the beach....see my vids on my channel.....click on my name or search my name on google I have a blog post explaining they whole thing
I think he boyfriend did it. I think she met up with him after he left the property, he was furious with her because he found out she was screwing his bff and he murdered her, burned her body, dumped her car at the junkyard and threw some of her bones on the pile. He had the opportunity to do it because he was on the property unsupervised during the search. I think the police jumped in this and didn't bother to look anywhere else. Her boyfriend's temperament during cross examination was very odd. He was smirking and acting as though he had a hard time remembering some things regarding his actions yet could remember other things spot on.
or bobby killed her and the police just made it pinned it to him. there was alot of demented shit found on his computer and he left the property directly after she did that day.
Rav4 was spotted by a witness at the Turnaround 2 days before, so where would Lenk & Colburn leave the vehicle for those few days ? Also blood was not from a vial apparently. However, a syringe and fine needle would carefully and neatly take a good amount to apply those drops
You do know that he’s talking about the girl that keeps leaving in the suburban he says oh she’s leaving again as well as oh she’s gone listen to the whole phone call and you’ll be able to figure that out
The brother in law and the other brother have some secrets. One guess was that the brother accudently killed her, contacted the moms husband and covered it up with the police.
Dominick Teta I’ve no clue who did it, don’t think it was the two they convicted... but when I first watched the show the ex-boyfriend was my main suspect. Though the way the ‘evidence’ turned up over the yard points towards the local cops. I wonder if the woman’s family really believe he’s the killer?
I think it makes sense that whoever did it was a hunter (for dismemberment purposes) that knew the lay of the land - he knew where he could burn the body and stay out of sight. The ex wouldn’t have felt comfortable enough out there to do all that unless he was a pro
I am looking forward to when the REAL killer is caught . I also feel bad for Theresa family even though they all seemed too staged and not as upset as they should of been ....
This is beyond dumb-Lenk and Colburn were never parties to the suit. How do you suppose they were able to dump the bones directly behind Avery's trailer without him noticing?
If Avery just simply disappeared would that not have given the people behind the lawsuit the same conclusion? No more law suit ? Especially he literally is just gone and he actually packed a bag beforehand? Am I missing something?
I hope some good citizens take these corrupt cops, separate them, squeeze them until the give credible matching testimony, and then administer whatever justice they find is reasonable. Just the fact that they framed him for the first crime should get them Life in prison or death.
Omg. Was the plate really called in 2 days before it was found? Its been years since ive watched Making a Murderer so i can't remember all the details. This case is so wild. There was definitely enough to aquit imo. Too many strange fishy things. Something just isnt right. I just cant fathom why a man about to likely win 36M $ after spending almost 2 decades in prison for something he didnt do, would then go out and kill someone on his property and then try to cover the car with twigs. Avery dealt with cars his whole life, i think if he really had something to hide, that vehicle wouldve been dismantled and never seen again, not lazily hidden by some twigs. It feels like whoever hid the car wanted it to be found. Also, the fact that Stevens attorney filed a motion to test the bones with new technology to make sure they are in fact Teresa's, and the cops gave the bones back to the family. Basically, we still dont even know if those bones are Teresa's. I mean dont get me wrong, they most likely are, but the fact is we dont know for a fact and we never will because the cops got rid of them as quickly as possible. If that tag # was really called in before it was found, that speaks volumes. & dont even get me started on Brendan. They railroaded that kid. At the very least he deserves a new trial. His first attorney didn't even represent him. Its been awhile, but didnt Brendan tell him that he didnt do it and the lawyer talked him into confessing a 2nd time and made him draw pictures and he literally told him what to draw ?!?! Crazy. They pressed him so hard in his "confession." Anytime they didnt like his answer, they would say "be honest" its so clear to most that Brendan changed his answers to appease the police. He was so naieve that he thought he would be going back to class. Aside from that bs confession, they got NOTHING on Brendan. No DNA. If Teresa died the way Brendan said, his DNA would be there. They ruined that kid's life. :(
I don’t think that the police killed her but I think that when they found out that Steven was the last person to see her they did everything they could so he could be charged with her murder
Too many people would have to be involved in this to cover it up and there's no way they would keep it quiet doesn't make sense to go out of their way to do this to risk their lives and reputations
I don't think they killed her. I think her ex did and the colbourn caught him trying to get rid of the body that night he rang dispatch about the plates. So they concocted the story and told Ryan he would get away with it if he just helped them frame avery. The flatmate was probably with the ex because I definitely think he knew. Then they got to bobby and scott tadych and convinced them to help to corroborate the story of linking steven to it. I think all of them got paid off. I don't think scott tadych and bobby realised what was gonna happen to brendan but by then it was too late. They got brendan cos he was too weak and they used their training to coerce a confession.
These police have a lot to answer to god if they get away with this frame up , let’s hope they get caught soon and poor Brendan and Steven are released.it is a terrible injustice what they did to Steven keeping him in jail knowing he was innocent of rape n beating a poor lady .then to come along again and plant evidence in this murder of poor Theresa to frame steven again the same police in his first frame up .i hope Kathleen zellener brings them to justice .
Wow that was excellent job in 3 minutes you guys solved the case....now all we need is to get Kathleen Zellner can exonerate them and do this 3 min video and let them go. They r fucking innocent.....
It's as realistic as watching the Young and the Restless. Priceless. Another upload from someone who hasn't read the case file and believes the internet/tv.
I really don't think so!They wouldn't need to.They just took advantage of him because he had an intellectual disability!That's extremely sad that he was targeted for that reason!
@@renarsdambis4294 I don't think you understand my statement!I wasn't saying they didn't have opportunity to give him a drug.What I am saying is that there would be no need to do it.Completely pointless!The reason he answered the way that he did is because of his disability(which you seem to discount).They police took advantage of his vulnerability! No need for drugs!Besides that when he enters jail he would have been drug tested anyway.The police would have gotten caught doing this right away.This theory is rediculous!
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The scary part is.. Everybody cares.. none of us have the power to help Steven. We are not free
Well, since petitions have no actual power, does it make a difference?
Nobody cares Rot in hell Steven Avery!
They absolutely framed Steven Avery using every possible resource and advantage that they had available,
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one of the jurers was the father of an employee of the Mantawoc sheriff's dept, one was the spouse of an employee and another was a volenter worker at the Manetwoc Sheriff's Dept.
Lol and according to the juror that had to be excused those 3 very strong biased opinions swayed the other jurors votes. So this goes to show the retrial needs to be out of wisconsin and a whole new, independent, unbiased jury and judiciary
Don’t surprise me..
That's some scary stuff. And to the person that wrote "spell much" it's just youtube get over yourself.
U know this for sure? That's just down right wrong.
@@kevinbraden7021 that wasn't necessary
I think police found the car and body the day that cop called in the plate , when they realized that she was last seen at Stevens they decided to frame him. think about the amount of blood that would of been in his house or garage, no way he cleaned it all up , then the blood in car ,u can see it was placed there in a few spots . if he was bleeding from his finger it would of gotten all over and not in that pattern. this guy was framed
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So her car was just magically found and only seen by the one guy who was going to use it too frame someone? It also had to be found pretty soon after she left avery's for them to burn the body and place the remains in his burn barrel.
@Chase Postell Nope, Colburn was on his day off the date he claimed he told a cop and fully accounted for his whereabouts at the trial. IF you really believe Rahmlow could remember the face of the cop he spoke to for a few minutes 10 years later then you are gullible as hell.
Ive not checked it out myself yet but I've heard that the cop he spoke to actually checked out and made a report about it but as I havent read it first hand I wont speculate.
@Chase Postell again colburn was of that day regardless, so either your truckdriver is mistaken not hard to be after ten years or he's just plain lying.
Tell me more about how someone broke into Stevens house to steal his blood as he slept
@Chase Postell lol you're a conspiracy nut
I think Bob Dassey was involved. 1.) In Brendan’s interrogation, he stated that the killer “was mad at Teresa for not getting his Blazer into the thing.” The cops didn’t inquire more about what Brendan just said even though he just revealed the motive of the killer. They just ignored his statement because they knew it was Bob’s Blazer. 2.) Brendan left the property just before or right after Teresa left. 3.). There was hardcore/demented porn on the Dassey’s computer. Bob has the sexual motive to perform such an act. 4.) In trial, Bob directed the blame from himself to Steven and Brendan.
A possible scenario is that the cops were going to pin the murder on Bob convinced him to help frame Steven Avery instead. P
I concur
They had to go back 7 times to search and the local police wasn't supposed to be there but were and they are the ones who found everything. bones , key , then not to take pictures of bones before you touch them or to pick them up with a shovel ,this all stinks .
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It is so plain.
Well usually a crime spot would be taped off and forensics in white suits let in, no one else allowed in.
Crime scene, bones and the burn pit photographed multiple times by a professional (Not one) photo was taken of any evidence. Also Manitowoc warned off the Coroner and didn’t allow her on the property or do a report, they used an out of town coroner 1 month later
I understand its just a real puzzle to me because one side side one thing and rhe other is saying something different then what Brendon Dasey said. I just dont think we will know the full story and truth of what happened and the torture Teresa must have gone through. God knows the real truth and I just would love to see closure for her family and Avery
don't forget it was the spare key they found
Bobby Dassey killed Teresa. The cops helped him and him and Todd Tadych helped the cops plant the evidence. Ryan Hillegas also played a role in it.
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Yeah definitely a group effort !! I can’t help but feel scumbag Scott had his hands in it too
Yea u might b right. When i seen that episode I got sick to my stomach. I said OMG his step father did it. U notice Barb aint in the videos with mama and papa Avery? Im thinking theres alot of tention there. Steven had issues with certain family members it was apparent. Plus I always wondered y they testified for the state. The truth will come out and soon and i cant wait. We have a real live soap opera!!!!
And the proof? Usually that's pretty important before you implicate multiple people in a giant conspiracy involving murder and evidence tampering by police officers
I feel that Brendan's mom knows more than she is letting on but playing stupid bc shes afraid of her husband and "loves" him.....personally this miniseries adjusts my view of Wisconsin as a whole state....all the levels gone through and the still want to hold Brendan and Steven responsible.....its as dumb as refusing to take your medicine bc someone might see you and think you are not immortal....
I am from the chilton and manitowoc area and know how crooked every one is there. I’ve seen it. I now live far away and have no intentions of going back
Why is that?
I wouldn't live there if you paid me.
I watched the series and I think this theory is spot on and well put together. It also cleared up some of the confusion for me. Well done
I like your theory....many do. Thanks for the clip and your time.
This is exactly how I thought it went down too!
I'm with the sheriff on this: it would be easier for them to kill Steven instead of Teresa. Colborn or Lenk could just kill him and then "investigate" the place afterwards and while "investigating" he'd dispose of all the evidence. Much easier than killing Halbach, bring her car unseen to the yard, cover it up while not being spotted, get away from the yard unseen (how? by walking?), plant the bullet and key unseen.
If Steven is innocent, than it went like Strang described.
Dean Strang believes otherwise.
+Gold Kenny he does, he said neither Steve nor the cops killed Teresa. He thinks someone else did it and expected it would be easy to get away with it all by framing Steven. The cops would love to believe Steven was the culprit
36 million dollar law suit
They framed him or it's the ex and they rather have Avery!
I heard or read the bones were not the photographers ?
Someone killed Teresa after she left the Avery place. That someone went directly to the police to confess. Those police told that someone to go home and not to ever speak about that again. See video for what happened next.
FU 2 .. I think it was Ryan.. he inserted himself in the family and in the searches.. he had items from her car.. really?? Doesn’t her family see this.. and she was telling people she was afraid of him.. (remember the girls from Ohio.. the piece of shit that stole them off the street ( he has no name to me).. he helped with searches.. hugged her mom.. took an rented them a car etc.. I can’t believe Teresa brother didn’t find it strange that he just so happened guessed her password
Omg Lenks name was obviously added to the signing sheet. Look at the space there between the names (2:37). There was no room between 1808 and 1812 to add "LT. Lenk" and still his name WAS added afterwards. This needs to come as evidence as well.
They didn't find any skull fragments on the bullet after forensic testing, since it "exited" Teresa's skull there should have been skull fragments but there were none.
Small town Sheriffs & cops scare me. That mentality baffles me!
Holy shit this is exactly what I’ve been telling my wife. Lenks eyes have that cold evil look to them and colburn seems like a puppet.
What shocks me is how can all of us and most of the world see the truth but yet the ones in suits walk free. This video was more truth based than the one's whom helped frame him in that court room. All for the greed of money nothing more. My heart goes out to all the victims in this case. I pray karma finds its true way and serves its own justice.
how dumb they must think we are!!!lie right to our faces and get away with it
That call by Colburn to dispatch was staged: the dispatcher never took time to enter info in a database and then tell him the answer--SHE DID IT IMMEDIATELY LIKE SHE KNEW THE QUESTION BEFORE IT WAS GIVEN TO HER!!! She conspired with Colburn on that call!! That incident right there showed some kind of cover up or police corruption of the scene which should have nullified their credibility!! I don't know how Halbach ended up dead if she is dead but Avery didn't do it and there was some kind of bad mishandled frame up job done on him which should have created enough doubt for even the average imbecile idiotic dolt from that county who didn't have an "ax" to grind against him to find him innocent at trial!! A true miscarriage of justice done in this case!!
Many people are questioning the validity of this asdumption based on no evidence.For me it's not about evidence but about motive!Motive is very substantial in this case!
All the Pro Guilty folks should see this, just to show them how easy it really would be to frame someone.
Except that this is just a video and actually framing someone in the tight time frames that would have been needed and not being seen would be virtually impossible.
Totally agree-Lenk and Colburn were not even parties to the lawsuit and never faced personal liability. I am shocked that people would rather believe that the police killed Teresa rather than Averyy. Did they even know Teresa before this? How would they know her schedule? How did they put the car and bones behind Avery's property w/o anyone seeing it? I cant believe how gullible people are .
I think the police killed her is a little extreme, but that does not mean Avery did. If Avery did not kill her, then It is more likely the police took advantage of some tragedy that happened.
The questions you ask about schedules and such show you have no idea of the area and how it works or you would know they had all kinds of opportunity. If there was collusion in a bait and switch, then that came with blessings from the top, but it does no mean they killed her.
There are many many questions about this crime that need to be answered. If you have someone in charge calling the shots and others taking orders, it can go in different directions. Do some more research. This is small town area. Many people were related or knew each other.
Your assertions are so vague that they are meaningless. "It is more likely that the police took advantage...."if there was collusion..that came from blessings from the top"..If you have someone in charge...it can go in different directions" Be specific-who framed Steven Avery?
sorry, but there is nothing solid there yet, only questions. That is because I believe the problem is with the investigation not the evidence itself.
I am not going to go around accusing people of a capital crime just because I have an opinion, but that is just me.
The latest findings of child porn on a Dassey computer is problematic considering there was no investigation into that felony. This never came up at the time of the investigation. It was buried. That piece of evidence is indisputable. That has just come to the surface.
On the bright side it means things could still come to the surface despite the amount of time that has passed. We will see
Means, motive and opportunity. Check!
What’s the motive?
Chillednfunked
36 million dollars
Scary. Evil people can f*#*&d up ur life like that.
WOW good job in doing this, exactly what I was thinking.
Except a witness saw her vehicle parked off a highway and told coulborn about it before he called in plates
Yeah it's pretty much how I speculated it happened, but it's nice how your video helps visualize it. What I don't understand is how jurors found them guilty. Anyone with just common sense would totally agree with your theory, unless they were bought.
Media. The used it from day one to make everyone believe he was guilty.
The Body was Burned so a true time of death couldn't be determined!!!!
I think KP and TK hired a hit to kill TH and frame SA for murder. They held the lawsuit over JL and AC as leverage to get them to clean up the mess and ensure the evidence gets planted and found. Those two top Sheriffs garnered decades of loyalty.
i dont think there was a murder at all. Either Teresa does not exist,which explains her "families" bizarre behaviour, or she has a new identity under witness protection,on another continent.
I think you're right, she's still alive to this day in 2022. The perfect crime, convict an innocent person of a murder that never happened. No Body, No Tears.
When Karen Halbach sees Brendan in a jail jumpsuit on the way to court she starts laughing. Any mother of a raped/murdered/burned girl would be in tears and screaming at him.
Very suspicious behavior that makes me think Barb Janda was partially right when she said "I think the Halbachs set this all up, I really do."
Why would they? Look at the job her son has now, a Multi-Million dollar a year job for the Green Bay Packers.
I think Lenk and Kusche set it up after being deposed and enlisted the help of the Halbachs and others, possibly including certain members of the Avery family.
Omg this is my notes.. didn’t anyone find it crazy.. the policeman called her plates in while she was supposed to be missing
Thanks for the video and sharing
If the state were capable of murdering a random girl and framing Steven Avery, why weren't they capable of killing Avery and making it look like an accident? Why go through the trouble of killing a random girl, and then framing Steven with evidence, witnesses, and a family testifying against each other, meanwhile putting the entire state at risk, only to be tried in a court room where they wrongfully convicted Steven the first time? Do you know how insane that sounds? Also, the police department isn't who deals with the lawsuit. The police department is funded by the state. The state of Wisconsin would have the incentive to avoid paying out 36 million. Not the police department. The police department is tax payer funded morons. Nobody at the police department would have lost a dime, so why would they do all of this? That would have came out of the state's pocket. And last time I checked, these weren't state cops.
In my opinion the police probably want to be the ones to have the last laugh to look like the winners in the end. Because right there at that point time Steve Avery was winning because he beat the first case and was actually going to win again by winning a second case in his lawsuit. Killing him would be too easy and even if they killed him they still look like losers and Avery would still be the winner even in death. They wanted to prove a point and score of the last point and be the winner in the public eye
The poor guy was framed but the truth always comes out and its just a matter of time for all them pigs to pay for the wrong thing they decided to do
I have no faith that Steven avery will get justice.
The true timeline and pings from her phone put her leaving Avery’s property. A phone call after she left to her place of employment making another photo appointment!! The phone call and pings prove she pulled over at one point! Which I believe was the police pulling her over. Blood splatter In The back of the car proves a quick attack prob smashed in the head pushed into her car , burned at quarry, bones scattered at Avery’s, car dumped and volunteers given camera and direction to locate car. Boom it all begins. However, I do believe Bobby & Step Dad made to assist police because threatened with convictions them selves as well as the ex boyfriend all made to participate or lie in someway
Why did they pic her to shoot??
Well done,,excellent play-by-play of how it probably went down.
Great video. Well put together. And totally 100% in my opinion as well is the way it happened. With out s doubt in my mind. I feel so bad for Steve and Brandon. Especially Steve getting screwed twice by the same cops. So crooked I truly hope these cops get what's coming to them and that fucking pervert procecuter
Don't feel too bad for them, Steven and Brendan are guilty.
This is stupid why would they call in the plates 2 days before it was found if they had it the entire time? Why would only 10% of her bones be found. They came across this and got it on the Avery property for 2 reasons they thought it could possibly be Avery but more importantly it was best if it was. Days later they had to know it wasn’t, that’s the part that is so disheartening, to me it worse than Murder
This is disgusting and disgraceful. Small town inbred dirty cops. I bet they didn’t think this murder would make so much noise. It’s a shame Steven and Brendan’s life’s are in these hicks hands and impossible to over turn Kathleen is amazing but those guys will never get the time they lost back
It's a theory. It's far more probable than the states version. One thing I notice off hand, is that this version still doesn't explain the few remaining bones stuck in the bottom of the burn barrel behind Dassey's. I feel like there's more to that barrel than it's talked about.
Now I think Avery is innocent but that everyone should hold their horses. It's still a theory, a strong one perhaps but still just a theory.
A lot of people here make some very valid points but you need to go look at the information that isn't presented to you in a documentary on HBO. There is a ton of boring information to sort through and it makes Steven look a hell of a lot more guilty. For example, people talk about the garage not having blood in it but fail to mention that the cops found multiple bottles of used bleach and other cleaning products. Bleach absolutely destroys blood, even the luminal test can't find blood if it's been bleached. There's just so many things that point towards him if you really dig deep into the case
The cops are not going to kill an innocent girl just so they can frame Avery for a murder because of the lawsuit. First of all the counties insurance company paid for that lawsuit so why would the cops care? Second, why involve Brendan into it if they just wanted to frame Avery. The kid had nothing to do with the lawsuit and only would have complicated things which he in fact did.
Wooster001 it’s not just about the 36 millions, but about the local police reputation.
@itsmemitzi youre a fucking moron
Ya they will
As Tobias has pointed out, insurance was not going to cover the lawsuit and many had much to lose. Killing Avery would just pass his lawsuit onto his family. But making him a murderer and putting him in prison would completely throw out the case and eventually settle with him quietly when he needed money for a lawyer to defend himself against the framed murder.
Wooster001 the counties insurance would not pay in this case because framing Avery for rape and letting him sit there for all those years is a”malicious act”. E and O and liability ins would not pay for a malicious act. The county and the people invoked would be liable jointly and severally
All three victims in this case deserve the truth! Teresa Halbach's family and her many loved ones deserve closure through JUSTICE! All three have received life sentences for which were NOT DESERVED! Pray for truth and justice to prevail, particularly for Teresa's family, Avery's family and Dassey's family. #PrayerGroup333
Basically everyone from the state and counties side had incentive to frame Avery. He was literally going to own the town and the two detectives possibly were facing charges for their conduct on Averys first conviction that got overturned etc.
I like this theory almost as much as I like the music
the cops were definately orchestrating it all. they had to get teamates to help them so they found them all and set them up like little pawns. however i still get a funny feeling bobby and scott killed her.
If you think Andy Colbourne would have been held personally responsible for Avery's wrongful conviction, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Agreed, he was not even a party to the suit
Wow!! Absolutely makes sense!!
I personally think it's ridiculous to think the police killed Halbach. If Avery was indeed framed, it probably went more the way Strang described it... that a third person killed her, not Steven or the cops, but that he knew that if he left some evidence at Avery's, it would make Steven an easy suspect, because of the history between Steven and the cops.
Thats just as ridiculous as well.. How wouold said person know she had just happened to go to Averys and that he would be the last person known to have seen her alive?
Where or how did Lenk get her spare key?
ex boyfriend. Hes guilty as hell.
same here, if only it was possible to learn their whereabouts nearing the day of her disappearance. it would have been very easy for them to learn exactly who would be the best target visiting Averys salvage yard if they had been monitoring his phone calls endure simply just watching his house. but I would bet that they were listening in on his phone calls, which is how they most likely learned of her visit but I would bet that they were listening in on his phone calls, which is how they most likely learned of her visit to photograph the vehicle. If this is the case they may be possible to find out if there were any wiretap done on the Avery complex, or any request for Phone record by the Police Department before her death. also one thing I keep seeing people miss is the people is that most likely paid the police officers to pull off the crime. if that happened then perhaps digest watching the police officers spending habits for unusual purchases, may prove an additional motive.
LUMINOL WOULD DETECT ANY BLOOD LEFT. YOU CANNOT COMPLETE REMOVE BLOOD EVER. IT IS A LIFEFORCE
and the cops that ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED due to the lawsuit are the ones that find the key AND the bullet. but Zellner already has proven that A) that bullet never touched human bone, and B) they demonstrated that the .22 rifle Steven supposedly used was not powerful enough to go in and OUT of a human skull, as this wound did with whatever weapon was supposedly used.
luckily for the framing masterminds, the woman who they were going to frame Avery for murdering showed up at his house alone, the very same day/time the police put into place their massive frame operations. also, lucky that Dassey pointed everyone to all the places the masterminds with unlimited time and resources would later plant all the evidence.
lol no he didnt. you are deluded
That’s exactly how they did this to Steven
That’s my first thought when I saw the show! It’s actually very obvious!
This is very similar on what I thought happened.
I really think steven didn't do it, but i don't think the cops would kill her to frame steve
Unbelievable that the police department got away with It.
Uh, no. I think she was murdered by someone else. They found her truck and body and made the decision to pin it on Avery. It's a stretch to claim that anyone, let alone a cop, would resort to murder just to clear themselves in a civil suit.
Its not beyond a stretch to think that cops wouldnt kill to save face..especially a 36 million dollar one.!
So season 1 in 3 minutes. Yayyy
Its bigger they framed him the first time on the beach I was there and helped search for the victim on the beach....see my vids on my channel.....click on my name or search my name on google I have a blog post explaining they whole thing
I think he boyfriend did it. I think she met up with him after he left the property, he was furious with her because he found out she was screwing his bff and he murdered her, burned her body, dumped her car at the junkyard and threw some of her bones on the pile. He had the opportunity to do it because he was on the property unsupervised during the search. I think the police jumped in this and didn't bother to look anywhere else. Her boyfriend's temperament during cross examination was very odd. He was smirking and acting as though he had a hard time remembering some things regarding his actions yet could remember other things spot on.
or bobby killed her and the police just made it pinned it to him. there was alot of demented shit found on his computer and he left the property directly after she did that day.
Rav4 was spotted by a witness at the Turnaround 2 days before, so where would Lenk & Colburn leave the vehicle for those few days ? Also blood was not from a vial apparently.
However, a syringe and fine needle would carefully and neatly take a good amount to apply those drops
SO TRUE...WOW GREAT JOB
You do know that he’s talking about the girl that keeps leaving in the suburban he says oh she’s leaving again as well as oh she’s gone listen to the whole phone call and you’ll be able to figure that out
This is exactly how i thought it
The brother in law and the other brother have some secrets. One guess was that the brother accudently killed her, contacted the moms husband and covered it up with the police.
This is the only theory that makes sense
hey this is what I pieced together too
It was the ex boyfriend
Dominick Teta I’ve no clue who did it, don’t think it was the two they convicted... but when I first watched the show the ex-boyfriend was my main suspect. Though the way the ‘evidence’ turned up over the yard points towards the local cops.
I wonder if the woman’s family really believe he’s the killer?
I think it makes sense that whoever did it was a hunter (for dismemberment purposes) that knew the lay of the land - he knew where he could burn the body and stay out of sight. The ex wouldn’t have felt comfortable enough out there to do all that unless he was a pro
I am looking forward to when the REAL killer is caught . I also feel bad for Theresa family even though they all seemed too staged and not as upset as they should of been ....
This is beyond dumb-Lenk and Colburn were never parties to the suit. How do you suppose they were able to dump the bones directly behind Avery's trailer without him noticing?
I agree with you guys,cops did it.
Rubberstamped govt. Workers saving illgotten pensions.
Can anyone explain to me who these cops are and how they're related? I guess I'm not seeing it...any info would be nice !! Thanks in Advance
If Avery just simply disappeared would that not have given the people behind the lawsuit the same conclusion? No more law suit ? Especially he literally is just gone and he actually packed a bag beforehand? Am I missing something?
I hope some good citizens take these corrupt cops, separate them, squeeze them until the give credible matching testimony, and then administer whatever justice they find is reasonable. Just the fact that they framed him for the first crime should get them Life in prison or death.
Omg. Was the plate really called in 2 days before it was found? Its been years since ive watched Making a Murderer so i can't remember all the details. This case is so wild. There was definitely enough to aquit imo. Too many strange fishy things. Something just isnt right. I just cant fathom why a man about to likely win 36M $ after spending almost 2 decades in prison for something he didnt do, would then go out and kill someone on his property and then try to cover the car with twigs. Avery dealt with cars his whole life, i think if he really had something to hide, that vehicle wouldve been dismantled and never seen again, not lazily hidden by some twigs. It feels like whoever hid the car wanted it to be found. Also, the fact that Stevens attorney filed a motion to test the bones with new technology to make sure they are in fact Teresa's, and the cops gave the bones back to the family. Basically, we still dont even know if those bones are Teresa's. I mean dont get me wrong, they most likely are, but the fact is we dont know for a fact and we never will because the cops got rid of them as quickly as possible. If that tag # was really called in before it was found, that speaks volumes. & dont even get me started on Brendan. They railroaded that kid. At the very least he deserves a new trial. His first attorney didn't even represent him. Its been awhile, but didnt Brendan tell him that he didnt do it and the lawyer talked him into confessing a 2nd time and made him draw pictures and he literally told him what to draw ?!?! Crazy. They pressed him so hard in his "confession." Anytime they didnt like his answer, they would say "be honest" its so clear to most that Brendan changed his answers to appease the police. He was so naieve that he thought he would be going back to class. Aside from that bs confession, they got NOTHING on Brendan. No DNA. If Teresa died the way Brendan said, his DNA would be there. They ruined that kid's life. :(
exactly true to the T... How they got away With murder and poor nephew.. My Lord. Animals.
Ok but how did they know Steven had a cut on his finger to plant his blood there 🤔
I know they framed him
I don’t think that the police killed her but I think that when they found out that Steven was the last person to see her they did everything they could so he could be charged with her murder
Too many people would have to be involved in this to cover it up and there's no way they would keep it quiet doesn't make sense to go out of their way to do this to risk their lives and reputations
Hard to believe the police would do this. but considering the other events, entirely believeable.
Good video, Steve Avery it's absolutely innocence.
unnecessary distracting music. Just play the footage
I don't think they killed her. I think her ex did and the colbourn caught him trying to get rid of the body that night he rang dispatch about the plates. So they concocted the story and told Ryan he would get away with it if he just helped them frame avery. The flatmate was probably with the ex because I definitely think he knew. Then they got to bobby and scott tadych and convinced them to help to corroborate the story of linking steven to it. I think all of them got paid off. I don't think scott tadych and bobby realised what was gonna happen to brendan but by then it was too late. They got brendan cos he was too weak and they used their training to coerce a confession.
MOTIVE !!! MOTIVE !!! MOTIVE !! WHO HAD THE MOST TO GAIN FROM HER DEATH !!!!!
This was also my theory
OK. So there is the theory. Now you just gotta provide the actual evidence. Have fun with that.
These police have a lot to answer to god if they get away with this frame up , let’s hope they get caught soon and poor Brendan and Steven are released.it is a terrible injustice what they did to Steven keeping him in jail knowing he was innocent of rape n beating a poor lady .then to come along again and plant evidence in this murder of poor Theresa to frame steven again the same police in his first frame up .i hope Kathleen zellener brings them to justice .
I wouldn't put past the police, but where is the Motive?? What's the motive for a detective and deputy to conspire such a heinous crime??
Wow that was excellent job in 3 minutes you guys solved the case....now all we need is to get Kathleen Zellner can exonerate them and do this 3 min video and let them go. They r fucking innocent.....
The man is innocent.
It's as realistic as watching the Young and the Restless. Priceless.
Another upload from someone who hasn't read the case file and believes the internet/tv.
Colburn calling doesn't make sense in the video
They could have given to the boy some drug also... like GHB?
I really don't think so!They wouldn't need to.They just took advantage of him because he had an intellectual disability!That's extremely sad that he was targeted for that reason!
@@lizabethshelberg7268 police asked him if he wants some soda or water before questioning
@@renarsdambis4294 I don't think you understand my statement!I wasn't saying they didn't have opportunity to give him a drug.What I am saying is that there would be no need to do it.Completely pointless!The reason he answered the way that he did is because of his disability(which you seem to discount).They police took advantage of his vulnerability! No need for drugs!Besides that when he enters jail he would have been drug tested anyway.The police would have gotten caught doing this right away.This theory is rediculous!