As someone whos into old military vehicles and antiques where the titles never existed or have been lost for decades i can always appreciate when states make it easier for people to get cars back on the road legally.
Yeah, but ... Certainly, a 1960s Honda CL77 without a title should be easy to register. A 2015 Charger? Not so much. Gotta filter out the bad guys somehow.
@@UncleKennysPlace I'm sure thats why they are restricting it to "businesses" that have to identify themselves and provide info so that they have liability and someone the law can come looking for in case of fraud or thieft.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Just because you don't pay the registration doesn't mean you don't have a title anymore. A title is good for the life of the vehicle. But a car from the 60s could easily have a lost title and states generally don't have records that old computerized so getting a new title could be problematic.
My brother did something like that about 50 years ago. Two crashed bugs that he turned into a dune buggy with a roll cage. The more destroyed one actually had the VIN tag in better condition.
Shoulda used the Vermont loophole that only recently (early this year i think?) was closed off. It was the most well known secret. So it seems WV is picking up that mantle.
Titles for "kit cars", replicas, and homemade vehicles has always been tough to get. Will be interesting to see if it is easier in WV. I have been considering building a version of a Lotus 7 but here in California it would be near impossible to title. Once an original title is obtained, it is easy to transfer it to your own home state. This may be a glimmer of hope.
Not near impossible to title at all. In fact, California has some of the easiest laws to title a kit car it's called " SPCNS" don't ask me what the hell it stands for lol you have to go to California Highway patrol and have them inspect the vehicle and make sure you have paperwork for anything that would have a been such as the engine, donor car, etc. Just bring all your documentation with you. They will stamp a Vin number on the vehicle and give you paperwork. You can bring the vehicle to Department of motor vehicles and they will issue a title.
Sounds like a way to wash stolen cars if u ask me then have a so called legal title on a questionable car. Hope Illinois does not allow this titling. It sounds sketchy to me, thinking flood cars with With West VA plates.
Here's hoping that some states will outlaw this kind of quick titling, if you were to bring the vehicle into their state. I would also be ok if mandatory title insurance was added in case of a stolen vehicle.
As an automobile dealer, this is a great service. Each state and even some counties have their own rules on how they want paperwork. I have been a dealer in the Midwest and at one point Wisconsin was 180 days to get a title. when we send a title to Michigan they have certain rules that makes the process longer. For example if the customer has loan on the vehicle, we have to take the title to our state bmv (Indiana) and get basically a new title. If you notice on the back of titles you have an area where you can transfer the title two or three times. Not allowed in Michigan unless the customer pays cash… then you can do the transfer on the back of the title. Stupid rule. We deal a lot with Ohio and what a pain in the ass. Each county has its own rules and even some clerks differ from one to the other in the same county. We hired an outside company 7 or 8 years ago to deal with it because it is such a pain. This will be an awesome service if works as advertised.
PA is a burning dumpster. They want a title no matter what. Person dead? Don’t care… Last address on record now a parking lot? Don’t care… You are actually better off crashing the non titled vehicle and reconstructing it for an R title
BITD, my father determined that if a California DMV clerk refused to consummate a transaction, he would return another day, being sure to select a different clerk. Problem solved!
I say they did this because of how many titles they've lost to Virginia title loan companies. WV banned title loan companies in 2016 because they were having WV residents title their vehicle in VA in order to get a loan... Costing WV millions in tax review.
Doubtful. You still can't get a title loan in W. VA on your old deuce and a half. This is to set up a new revenue stream of people who need to create a paper trail on a vehicle that either lost or never had a title. Almost all of these will quickly get turned around to be titled in whatever state they reside in.
Maybe. In my state dealers need to deliver title within 30 days. Carvana did not meet that deadline because they didn't get their act together with processing paperwork or prior titles.. They eventually got suspended. If they don't have their paperwork in order they still can't get titles in WV.
So there are 2 major things to be aware of if your are titling and registering your vehicle in WV. 1. We have an annual vehicle inspection requirement. Although it does not include emission check like in CA, it includes several safety points such as tires, horn, lights, brakes, suspension, etc. And also to verify that you currently have motor vehicle insurance. Some folks scam the system by only getting a policy long enough to get their plates and then drop it. So its included here as a 2nd check to ensure you have it at inspection each year as well. 2. Taxes are required. When you buy a vehicle, if you transfer YOUR existing vehicle into WV AND EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER. So there is a sales tax when you first buy a vehicle, even used. But if you move here from another state, bringing your old vehicle here, they will valuate your vehicle based on Kelley Bluebook and charge a sales tax as if you just bought it. Then, you must pay a Property Tax on that vehicle every year just to continue owning it. Before you can renew your plates each year, you must show a copy of the Sheriffs Receipt proving you paid this tax before the DMV will renew. Its totally insideous and there has been a movement to try and end it in the legislature for the past several years. Property Tax is not only the law here, it is codified in our state constitution in order to provide for "free schools" in WV.
Still cheaper, 240 of my 300 is for a damn rail tax I will never use. I was outside of STA2 so it was $50 so ST (Sound Transit) made a fake route so that could tax me too. There will NEVER be a route there. My location is rated a 2 out of 100 for public transit but 80% of my vehicle tax is for this fake route.
I was just researching how to acquire a title on a vehicle I bought that didn't have one. It is insane how many hoops you have to jump thru. I wish I could just give them a vin, license plate, ID and some money. I have to go get it appraised at a governmental appraiser, tons of paperwork, bill of sale and a ton of other steps. They said it will cost or the taxes are ( website wasn't very clear) 1 1/2 times the value of the vehicle, but since it's worth less than $4000 they will automatically claim it's worth $4000. You'd think they would want to make it easier to get more revenue. I might just go thru WV DMV if it doesn't work out here in TX.
Bought an antique car once from out of state and had to schedule an appointment to have a state trooper come out and "inspect it." He's just like "Yup, it's a cool car." We chatted for 5 minutes and he left." Why? Why is this necessary? He had way better things to do, and so did I.
I recently had difficulty getting a vehicle title in Arkansas. (note: the DMV is normally easy to deal with). After nearly a year of futilely struggling with the DMV, I contacted my state representative. The title was then issued in less than a week...
I was able to get a title to my mothers car in Michigan just a couple of months ago by walking into a DMV with a Power of Atty. It took me all of about twenty minutes, and the worker there was extremely helpful. It was the best DMV experience I've ever had, and I've dealt with DMVs in at least a dozen states over the years.
When I registered my car in WV, I had to specially contact my lender for a paper title as I paid it off around the same time. WV at the time had no support for digital titles (two-three years ago). I’m glad they’re improving that aspect of the system, but this just seems like a cash grab by the state if it ends up as corrupt as the last vehicle titling scheme.
If you want to know about another WV vehicle story, look up how car taxes are quite confusing here right now. There’s an income tax rebate, but only on taxes paid next year, and the state is telling people “only pay the minimum for this period, wait until later”. I think we’re gonna have a lot of confusion over car tax over the next year…
absolutely love your work.........been watching for years.............please do more stories on new laws in regards to small businesses and farms.............god bless
WV does have personal property tax on vehicles as of right now, but are talking about doing away with it. Some states have restrictions on the number of titled vehicle transfers a person can do a year without a dealer license. This maybe a way to get around that! Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
they tried to abolish that personal property tax a couple years ago and it failed, they also have it on equipment, farm animals and pets last I checked
They used to charge sales tax on vehicles being titled in WV, I had purchased a new car where I was living and then a few months later moved to WV and ended up having to pay sales tax on it before I could title it. Then I had to pay personal property tax on my vehicles for over 25 years. I live in MI now, WV did away with the sales tax when my fiance moved to WV to be with me, so he lucked out. That's good if they get rid of the personal property tax, I was so happy when I gave them my last dime and was able to walk away.
Sounds like anyone buying a car from Carvana now will have a West Virginia title from now on. With all the stories you've reported of the issues they've had getting titles to people in time, getting them all from one state and in only a couple days sounds exactly like something they'd want to do.
I lived in Maryland years ago and back in the day raced off road motorcycles in events called enduros, mostly in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. These were races over trails and not on a contiguous track. Many races required a tag on the bike as you might be on the road for a 1/4 mile here and there to connect trails. Everyone had either Vermont to Maine tags on their bikes. These were truly off road machines and not street legal in any sense but the law turned a blind eye to these regulated events. I could never ride the bike on the road in Maryland because besides the bike not being street legal, it is/was illegal to register a vehicle outside the state if you were a resident. Don’t know about commercial equipment.
Ohio has laws on it too. If you're a resident of the state, you have 30 days to register your vehicle in ohio. Example. You move from say KY to ohio. You have 30 days to get rid of the KY plate, and get an ohio plate/registration. You can technically drive on the out of state plates until you "get caught", at which point they will note it in their system that you've been warned. If you get caught by that same jurisdiction again after 30 days, they can go as far as to tow your car if they really want to.
@@bbrewer5 Locally, the cops (even the state ones) won't bother that way...mainly because the city is right next to an airforce base which means that you need to filter the military and dependents and those living nearby for short term periods. They've had enough issues with the military coming down and demanding sanctions on the cops for the writeups
@AzraelThanatos Where are you talking about? The closest military installation to me, worthy of being recognized for this convo is Wright Patterson air force base in Dayton, OH. It's about a 40 minute drive from my town. They will most certainly harrass you for out of state plates in my area. If you're right outside the base (like within 10 miles), you're probably ok, but any further than that, they will harass you about it around here.
@@bbrewer5 Dayton isn't right next to WPAFB...it's a little bit of a drive. I'm in one of the smaller cities directly adjacent to the base itself. They won't do a thing about plates unless they're expired or there are other things there because there's far to many service members and their families living in the area...and the local cops tend to get annoyed with anyone new who starts things because they've got a rather good relationship with the base cops as well. I'm about 5 minutes to getting on base if you go by the highway or 10 if not, don't even leave the city until getting to the base itself
All the trailers that the trucking I worked for had their trailers with Vermont Registrations and plates. I remember the equipment department saying it was because there was no expired on the trailer tags there and it saved the company money in the long run.
West Virginian here. As i recently purchased a used vehicle here about 3 months ago and had to get it titled and get a new plate for my other spare vehicle, i can say that the administrative process at the regional DMV did not take very long and it was about a medium size crowd that day. I was out the door with my Temp plate and paperwork in about a half hour. They do claim to take up to 90 days to send the permanant metal plate. Still waiting on that and its getting close to the limit.
I've never understood why they mail the metal plates to you months after the fact. Why can't they just order up a box of plates and have them on the shelf at the DMV so they can hand it over to you when you register the car?
@@e-curb they might have plain old regular plates available. But custom vanity plates must be made to order. I have vanity plates for all of my vehicles. You used to get them within about 2 weeks. It was that way for the 35 or so years I've been getting plates. But they claim it takes longer now and no one has a good excuse why.
If this works, there will be businesses in each state that will for a fee inspect your car and handle the paperwork so you can get a title for your custom car or lost title car. So long as they are careful and reasonable in their fees, it sound like a good deal. In fact, it sounds like a great retirement business.
Lol until you realize it has to be inspected by a licensed inspector in the state and you have to pay 1% of the value of the car every year in personal property tax. As some living in WV, I look for ways to title my cars out of this state not only to avoid the property tax but also the high insurance rates.
@@jrfish007 Now I see the reason WV wants to do this. My idea would be to get a title for that rare or lost title car then as quickly as possible transfer it to my home state. Quick example: A few years ago the fed gov't was disposing of a bunch of Humvees at decent prices, BUT specifically without titles. People who lived in friendly states title them as AM General cars or light trucks. However, some states refused to title them for driving on the road. If you knew someone who lived in a friendly state they could title, sell it to you, and once titled the unfriendly state would accept that title. Second example: I bought a fed gov't surplus Ford Crown Vic. from a dealer in TX. He shipped it my home along with teh bill of sale from the fed auction and a bill of sale to me. My state refused to issue a title. He had to get a TX title and then I had to transfer that onto my home state title. It took nearly three month to get that all done.
All the comments about registration, plates, property taxes, inspections, etc… THIS IS ONLY ABOUT TITLES! This isn’t going to allow out-of-state individuals to start registering their cars in WV.
I kinda doubt WV can legally offer this service to businesses, but not the public....I mean isn't there an equal protection thing where government can't grant privilege's to select groups of citizens. I'd think they could offer businesses a better rate for title services based on volume, but I don't see how they can deny individuals access to legal government services....IDK you're the lawyer am I wrong🤔
WV DMV is a joke. There is nothing fast or easy with them. I went to get my license and the woman repeatedly went over all my documents with a fine tooth comb till she spotted my birth cert name was Charlott, all my 62 years I have used Charlotte. It took me 2-3 hours to get my license, minus the e of course. Old license, social, bills, bank statement, every last thing had the e. Thank god FL is fairly easy and cheap to get it fixed without hassle. I went to DMV, slapped the birth cert down and told them I wanted my e back. Of course I had to pay to have it added.. I can imagine the shit show this is going to be
Look straight up from the propellor of the Titanic, and there you'll see Ben Hundo, tucked between the license plates, right side (also above the Lehto's Law mug, far right)
Aaaaaaaaand just like that you wake up one day to your vehicle missing from your driveway only to find out, upon calling the cops, that you "sold" your car to some rando in another state without ever knowing it.
Around the 2:40 mark you use the expression 'Red Tape' a common phrase most of us have known since childhood. Have you considered a video doing a deep dive into the history and early meanings of that phrase?
Can see this being easily abused. Scammers can take the vin from your vehicle and file for title in W VA then take loans out against your car you're now responsible for and the title isn't even from your state.
The abbreviation for West Virginia is WV. Not W. Va. West Virginia is a separate State not the western part of Virginia sorry I'm a West Virginia native and we take that s*** serious
You/your 'business' needs to post a $250,000.00 surety bond with West Virginia in order to use the title program. These types of bond typically cost between 1% and 10%, depending upon your credit, etc. So, that title transfer just cost you $2500.00 to $25,000.00. This concept is good, but the cost seems prohibitive.
@@Moosetick2002 maybe. maybe not. hopefully WVa will offer a similar lower cost program for small businesses or individuals in the future. Still... this isn't the West Virginia equivalent of what was available in Vermont for individuals wanting to title a barn find auto.
Are my ears deceiving me? Did you say "irregardless"? You do know there is no such word. 🙂I'll send the vocabulary police to your door. Take care. I really enjoy your videos.
As an Aussie, I can't understand why your system is so complicated. We don't have vehicle 'titles' as such. Your registration papers do that job, and if you buy a currently registered vehicle, you just transfer that existing registration into your name. Some states do require a roadworthy inspection at that point. Unregistered cars, you fill out a form, take it into the local registration authority, and if the numbers on the form match those on the system, you're good to go. If the numbers entered raise a flag, stolen or defected, (National database) then you have issues. If the numbers don't quite match those on the system, say an engine has been changed, then a visual ID inspection is required. So if you drag a barn find out that hasn't seen the light of day in 30 years, as long as it's roadworthy, and has not been reported stolen, you can get it on the road quite easily.
Money is why. Title shows you own the vehicle, and to get it transferred you have to pay sales tax, but it's a one-time thing. Registration is a recurring yearly charge.
It is the whole STATES part, anything not specifically declared federal is a states rights issue, abortion, alcohol, vehicle licenses, homesteads, etc.
Title is one thing, but plates are a bit of a pain in WV. You need annual inspections, and proof that you paid county tax to renew tags. Both would be difficult for out of state residents.
Lol yes . its plate registration that matters when it comes to a vehicle getting inspected and by the state vehicle is in not where its title is registered. Lol so many comments about not having to do emissions test since WV doesn't have it to get plated ( however they do look for signs of bad exhaust or such when doing WV inspection). Lol dummies think it gives them a free pass but the states that do have serious emissions requirements have strict rules on out of state vehicles anyways like in California can only drive a residential diesel auto like a vw rabbit for only 1000miles until get a converter. Also most States once vehicle is there for 90 days to 180 one has to plate it in that state usually.
Hmmm .. it makes sense that they say "businesses" in the statement. Many states have laws requiring individuals to get the title to a car registered in the state of residence. But businesses .. interesting.
I think some are miss understanding. Titling a vehicle is a completely different operation from Registering and getting WV Tags. To get WV tags on a vehicle you will need several "Proofs" that you are a resident of WV, needing to show a utility bill with a WV address for one thing. I am glad they are trying to catch up with technology. Until recently the only place to title a vehicle was the DMV, now they allow private businesses to provide Titling and registration services within the state. It's only been in the last few years that they have implemented a way to renew registrations and drivers license on line.
Nope, not accepted. You can have a Po Box for receiving mail, but the "Proofs" required for registration need a physical address, such as Utilities, power, water even cable.@@toriless
WVA has a reputation of harboring simple but friendly rednecks. Example: When we visited WVA, we saw a plate: 2HOS4U at a gas station. Two ladies in the car were dressed skimpy like street walkers. We laughed and said, did that slip by DMV, or are Ho's really welcome here? 🙂
Exactly. I imagine the recent rash of trucks in the Midwest getting stolen, titled out of state and then flipped to used car dealers in AZ is going to see a boon from this.
Well, gee whiz! I have a non-titled vehicle that I thought I was going to have to part out. I really want to drive it, though, but I gave up hope of ever getting title to it. I bought the vehicle from a guy. He gave me a bill of sale and the original title, on which he signed off. The problem is he didn't get his signature notarized. In our state, signatures relinquishing titles do not have to be notarized, so he didn't do it. The problem is that the title was issued over 40 years ago when a notary WAS required. Now the DMV calls this a "spoiled" title. My only recourse, so I am told, is to go to the original owner - NOT the guy from whom I bought the vehicle - and that that person to request a replacement title from the state. THEN it can be signed over to me. The problem with THIS is that guy is dead. That's how my friend acquired the vehicle. So, there it sits. It doesn't run. I haven't put any money into it because if I can't operate it legally, why bother? But I would love to get a clear title in my name, license it, get it running, and then enjoy it. I wonder if this West Virginia thing would work for me?
"W. Va."? Who says "W. Va."? LOL That was so confusing. What's the postal code for West Virginia? WV? I'll look it up...yep, WV is correct. Not "W. Va." 🤪
I once paid $400, for a truck, chevy c10, with a weak moter. The state was having a meltdown, because they did not know if the truck had 208,000 miles, or 200,000, and also had trouble believing I paid $400 for it. This was a truck, I was going to drive to the recycling center, once a week, on Saturday. the motor was weak, but this would be the perfect "station car" (a beater car, that people used to drive to the train station, or during the winters). Shockingly, the car ran another 10 years, and I only stopped driving it because it had a top speed of 38 miles per hour.
NY state won't issue me a title because the letter from the bank is not worded the way they want. And the bank will only send the forms letter NY refuses. So 2 years after paying off my loan I still have no clear title.
It’s still against the law in at least some/most states to do such a thing for personally owned vehicles , regardless of what WV does. Businesses are somewhat different unless it still wholly operates within the state it exists in.
@@SIGINT007 I used to work for a company based in FL and all their sales vehicles had FL plates. It made it easier to manage but the employees hated it because they got pulled over more for having out of state tags and even harassed by their HOAs for having "guests" (from FL) staying at their place too long.
@@SIGINT007 That is open to interpretation. If WV makes it legal then the other states have to accept that it's legal as far as it goes. The details will have to be worked out. Certainly California would struggle to not allow vehicles with WV plates to operate in their state.
Ironically, in 1977 I bought land in WVA and went to register a car I purchased off a newspaper ad in Maryland. The title had no signature from the seller. In WVA at that time most car dealers could title your car and register it. But the state required a seller signature on the title. The lady at the dealer told me if I went to VA just down the road they would title the car with no signature which wasn't required in VA. And they'd give me an instant title on the spot. So off I went and sure enough, I was able to come back in a couple of hours, title in hand, in my name to be re-titled in WVA and registered. I signed the new title from VA myself since I was listed as the owner. Problem solved.
Trust me WV DMV is no treat. Their undocumented rule is 'make the customer return twice'. Typical visit goes like this. 8:00 line forms outside, 8:30 doors open you quickly get a number ticket (I think the ticket person lives in there), 8:50 the window workers slowly waddle in past us waiting, like march of the penguins. 8:55 they waddle around shuffling papers and coffee while we watch, 9:15 the oldest slowest one waddles to one of the 15 windows and calls a ticket number. That window will be the only one open until 11:00, then all the missing workers will waddle away to lunch. There's been a dead guy in the same chair gathering dust for the last 5 years holding a ticket. MOST IMPORTANT AND NO JOKE - if an old vehicle has less than a 17-digit VIN, like anything pre-1980, a state official has to see it and touch it and sign a VIN Verification form.
I WA, we have private license companies, just mail a form or stand line for a few minutes. Fishing license, trapper license or car registration, it does not matter. We believe in civil rights unlike most states.
I took a look at their FAQ and it doesn't sound like this will make titling difficult vehicles easier. "What data needs to be provided? You will need to provide the title, title number, lien release evidence, and letter of guarantee." You also need a $250,000 surety bond.
This would have solved 90% of the issues with Carvana. They weren’t able to title in all 50 state’s individually because they didn’t want to hire enough people to have someone doing title work in each state and kept getting in trouble. Now they can just do all their title work out of an office in west VA.
Be great if they open this up to individuals as well! My parents fight Comifornia annually to comply with their smog check garbage and then have to pay excessive fees to register. I'd love to stick it to those jerks and just pay a reasonable fee to West Virginia instead.
I moved from Southern California because my 1969 Jaguar XKE that I restored over years, was modified and therefor had to go through the CARB BS! In 1969 cars were only required to have a PCV valve which it did. I was just so furious when they declined.
What if you just have a bill of sale , police verification of vin and a clean history OF NEVER BEING ON THE HOT STOLEN LIST. .....ALL NOTORIZED . BUT NO TITLE .....????
This will set a dangerous precedent because chop shops, salvage yards, tow yards etc. Of which many are crooked will take advantage of this. And let's not forget criminal organizations that ship stolen vehicles overseas
I was wondering about that. Sometimes antique cars have missing titles so I can see the value, but I am wondering how they will prevent theft and fraud.
I live just 25 mins from WV in Loudoun Co VA; my dad’s family lives in WV (Huntington/tri-state area). If there is no emissions or safety inspection, I may register (under my eBay reselling LLC) my 2002 Camaro Z28 6-Spd manual there-have straight pipes… gonna check it right now!
I think this is intended to have large companies pick WV as the state to title and plate everything. Doing this for say a large trucking company or large fleet companies that have fleets in dozens of states making it simple and easy to go to one place and have it done. Rather than local areas. You will find things like semi trailers that are titled in dozens of states rather than in one state. Doing this will not only make it easy to keep up to date on tags, plates and things like that. Though I really think that plates should be issued once and cost several thousands of dollars either to a car for say 20 years. For example say a tags cost 200 dollars per year for 20 years that would be 4000 dollars and if you get a plate it would say 2053 when it expires. You buy a new car you take your plate and put it on the new car and then update the information with a simple text message or phone call.
I'd rather have a thousand stolen cars titled falsely than have 1 honest person not be able to title their project car because some idiot lost the title.
The back story. Big Jim is trying very hard to incentivize wealth, tourist dollars and businesses entities to move to WV. His position is all this East Coast money flows to places like Florida & Delaware for tax and business advantages. And people personally move / establish residency in Florida for estate and income tax reasons. While also thinking about all the outdoor activities available down there. His position is WV is a beautiful state, with lots of outdoor activities, that in many cases is within driving distance, or crazy short flights, for these high net worth individuals. “So why not WV?” He has also been canvassing that state trying to make the argument they need to completely revamp the tax code to draw in this money. It’s been a hard sell and uphill battle because even though folks consider WV a GOP stronghold these days, the culture in WV is still very much influenced by class and rich vs poor. This car title thing is a small administrative move he can do to further the cause in that direction. Now you know the rest of the story….
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There's a flaw in your logic. Say you have a 2 week termination policy but you hire a man who is dangerous. He operating very expensive equipment, he's putting people around him in danger. Now I can't fire him even though he started yesterday, I have to let him put others at risk. In construction, one screw up could cost tens of thousands of dollars or someones life. The company takes the majority of the risk.
A goofy anecdote - BITD, my father bought a 1965 Harley 165cc (yes, Harley built 2-strokes in America). It was from Alabama (we were in Cali). It seems that Alabama was a 'non-title' state. It turned into bureaucratic hell. In desperation, we replated it with a plate from another one of our bikes. Problem solved.
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Sounds like W.V. is selling their credibility just for the price of a titling fee. Maybe there’s a GOOD reason for taking longer …….. maybe to check and see if you ACTUALLY own the vehicle or if that vehicle really exists. This isn’t gonna end good !!😩
"oh, criminals will find a way to be criminals." Who cares? Find something that criminals won't use for criminal purposes. If that is the standard, then we just would not do anything at all. It is foolish to believe that you will ever be able to put forth enough edicts to stop crime. But this, I love. You see, there is an eternal clash between business and government. Business wants to create things. Business wants to create commerce. Business wants to produce and distribute goods and services to the people, for ONLY in those goods and services lies the wealth of a nation. GOVERNMENT, on the other hand, wishes to produce nothing, lay on it's fat bureaucratic ass and leech off of the people who are actually out there contributing to society. Here, West Virginia is saying "we will help the good guys." Does your state require you to obtain an expensive dealer's license if you fix up and sell too many cars? If you are out there providing affordable transportation to the masses, does your state sit back like a mafia boss demanding that you wet it's beak? Well come top West Virginia. We will happily accept your modest titling fees in exchange for rescuing you from the wanna be gangsters in your own state legislatures. WELL DONE, West Virginia! The Founding Fathers will be relieved to look down on us and see that we have at least ONE state that understands what they wrote and what they tried to create here.
Take advantage? Ya think? LOL Good ol' Jim Justice, governor of West Verginny. You've heard that he's running for the US Senate, right? He's just opened a floodgate of cash into his state. Good campaign move.
Now I know right where to score a dodgy title again. Alabama, New Hampshire, Idaho, Vermont, you're dead to me. West V-A, you never disappoint, you'll do pretty much anything for a buck.
Just before covid, Minnesota instituted a NEW improved centralized titling system. As expected processing went from the previous 3 to 4 weeks, to 12 to 14 weeks. During covid, it could take 6 months! At least we have the 3rd highest taxes in the country to look forward to.
i would just like to find a way to not be forced to pay the outrages' tax the ca dmv wants. i am looking at a $800. USD tax this jan. some are paying over a grand. the tax is based on the sales price / believed value, not usage. i am retired on a small fixed income. do not drive much. who can afford gas over $5USD a gallon.
Wondering if Puerto Rico, Guam and other territories - perhaps Indian tribes could benefit from W Va’s efforts. => Just as Delaware biased their corporation law to benefit multinational companies, such as DuPont and recovered hundreds of millions of dollars in fees for corporations, W Va may well be seeking money and helping folks is ok too.
One of the issues that people are having is some states (thanks to the Biden Administration) are having issues getting titles for their military surplus vehicle's. So you buy a truck, Humvee or Jeep from the decommissioned US government auction. They issue you a SF 97 title to show your DMV to get a real title since these vehicles never had one. However, because the Biden Admin is cracking down on states threating them with removing their road funding to help maintain roads if they don't stop issuing titles for these vehicles. (because they are not environmentally friendly and were not designed for road usage). W. Va can hopefully help those people who do buy these vehicles.
This means ~ Cars that are impounded, forfeited, abandoned or salvaged can be titled by the holding lot that participates in the auctions/sales of otherwise nontitled vehicles. So if "coparts" wants to participate, they can now get a title for any and all vehicles, regardless of how they got it. Ensuring every vehicle has a current title. General public will still have to "know a guy". But for other auction sites, that guy is already in there. So, good news for car flippers. I know a lot of businesses are going to jump on this in a heartbeat. Almost makes me want to open my shop back up.
I wonder if they are thinking they will get all of Carvana's title work, maybe car rentals and fleets? The problem with people who say I did not have a problem with my local DMV is they are doing one transaction every few years if that many. Take you personal DMV experience, including time spent, and multiply by 400,000 to see what Carvana experiences in a year.
As someone whos into old military vehicles and antiques where the titles never existed or have been lost for decades i can always appreciate when states make it easier for people to get cars back on the road legally.
Yeah, but ...
Certainly, a 1960s Honda CL77 without a title should be easy to register. A 2015 Charger? Not so much. Gotta filter out the bad guys somehow.
@@UncleKennysPlace I'm sure thats why they are restricting it to "businesses" that have to identify themselves and provide info so that they have liability and someone the law can come looking for in case of fraud or thieft.
My truck is almost to antique status looking forward to saving over a hundred dollars next time I register
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@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Just because you don't pay the registration doesn't mean you don't have a title anymore. A title is good for the life of the vehicle. But a car from the 60s could easily have a lost title and states generally don't have records that old computerized so getting a new title could be problematic.
Boy I could have used this 20 year's ago when I bought a parts car that was actually better than the car I was using the parts for lol
My brother did something like that about 50 years ago. Two crashed bugs that he turned into a dune buggy with a roll cage. The more destroyed one actually had the VIN tag in better condition.
Shoulda used the Vermont loophole that only recently (early this year i think?) was closed off. It was the most well known secret. So it seems WV is picking up that mantle.
Just do not register it. I did that for that last year of one of my cars. Unless it moves it does not need tags.
Titles for "kit cars", replicas, and homemade vehicles has always been tough to get. Will be interesting to see if it is easier in WV. I have been considering building a version of a Lotus 7 but here in California it would be near impossible to title. Once an original title is obtained, it is easy to transfer it to your own home state. This may be a glimmer of hope.
Not near impossible to title at all. In fact, California has some of the easiest laws to title a kit car it's called " SPCNS" don't ask me what the hell it stands for lol you have to go to California Highway patrol and have them inspect the vehicle and make sure you have paperwork for anything that would have a been such as the engine, donor car, etc. Just bring all your documentation with you. They will stamp a Vin number on the vehicle and give you paperwork. You can bring the vehicle to Department of motor vehicles and they will issue a title.
My brother's building a Sterling Kit car. He's been taking his time due to title issues... maybe this will work for him here in Va.
@@aigtrader2984 SPCNS = SPecial CoNStruction =Homemade or custom.
@@aigtrader2984guess you have to flatbed the car to chips
I'm in WV. It's easy peasy
Sounds like a way to wash stolen cars if u ask me then have a so called legal title on a questionable car. Hope Illinois does not allow this titling. It sounds sketchy to me, thinking flood cars with With West VA plates.
That’s exactly what it is. WV figures they can profit from auto theft.
5 years later...video on why police officers always run West Virginia plates through their database they find on the road.
Are you afraid that your grifting will be effected?
Here's hoping that some states will outlaw this kind of quick titling, if you were to bring the vehicle into their state. I would also be ok if mandatory title insurance was added in case of a stolen vehicle.
That is one of the things that used to be done in Vermont until they changed the law. it is unclear if this will work in this case.
As an automobile dealer, this is a great service. Each state and even some counties have their own rules on how they want paperwork. I have been a dealer in the Midwest and at one point Wisconsin was 180 days to get a title. when we send a title to Michigan they have certain rules that makes the process longer. For example if the customer has loan on the vehicle, we have to take the title to our state bmv (Indiana) and get basically a new title. If you notice on the back of titles you have an area where you can transfer the title two or three times. Not allowed in Michigan unless the customer pays cash… then you can do the transfer on the back of the title. Stupid rule. We deal a lot with Ohio and what a pain in the ass. Each county has its own rules and even some clerks differ from one to the other in the same county. We hired an outside company 7 or 8 years ago to deal with it because it is such a pain. This will be an awesome service if works as advertised.
Ohio went statewide send the titles to the big counties so you don't have to jump thru every tiny counties hoops.
PA is a burning dumpster. They want a title no matter what. Person dead? Don’t care… Last address on record now a parking lot? Don’t care… You are actually better off crashing the non titled vehicle and reconstructing it for an R title
At that rate, even if their process isn't the _best_ , if it's good enough, the simplicity of only having 1 set of rules is a major advantage.
BITD, my father determined that if a California DMV clerk refused to consummate a transaction, he would return another day, being sure to select a different clerk. Problem solved!
In WA is takes 3-4 weeks, you just spend 80% of F'g STA3 which is decade overdue. Public transit is such a scam.
I say they did this because of how many titles they've lost to Virginia title loan companies. WV banned title loan companies in 2016 because they were having WV residents title their vehicle in VA in order to get a loan... Costing WV millions in tax review.
They also don't have to pay that rediculous tax if they title out of state.
@@robertmorrison107Who is "they" exactly?
Virginia levies a property tax on you cars.
Does West Virginia do the same?
Doubtful. You still can't get a title loan in W. VA on your old deuce and a half.
This is to set up a new revenue stream of people who need to create a paper trail on a vehicle that either lost or never had a title. Almost all of these will quickly get turned around to be titled in whatever state they reside in.
They being WV
This should help Carvana who has troubling titling cars in some states.
So you didn't know that most laws are created by businesses?? 😂😂
Thought the same thing mark.
Maybe. In my state dealers need to deliver title within 30 days. Carvana did not meet that deadline because they didn't get their act together with processing paperwork or prior titles.. They eventually got suspended. If they don't have their paperwork in order they still can't get titles in WV.
SOME? they never title unless you sue them
So there are 2 major things to be aware of if your are titling and registering your vehicle in WV.
1. We have an annual vehicle inspection requirement. Although it does not include emission check like in CA, it includes several safety points such as tires, horn, lights, brakes, suspension, etc. And also to verify that you currently have motor vehicle insurance. Some folks scam the system by only getting a policy long enough to get their plates and then drop it. So its included here as a 2nd check to ensure you have it at inspection each year as well.
2. Taxes are required. When you buy a vehicle, if you transfer YOUR existing vehicle into WV AND EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER. So there is a sales tax when you first buy a vehicle, even used. But if you move here from another state, bringing your old vehicle here, they will valuate your vehicle based on Kelley Bluebook and charge a sales tax as if you just bought it.
Then, you must pay a Property Tax on that vehicle every year just to continue owning it. Before you can renew your plates each year, you must show a copy of the Sheriffs Receipt proving you paid this tax before the DMV will renew. Its totally insideous and there has been a movement to try and end it in the legislature for the past several years. Property Tax is not only the law here, it is codified in our state constitution in order to provide for "free schools" in WV.
It is still cheaper then Maryland. I'm just glad they got rid of the rain tax.
@@MAXTORRACER how much is it in MD?
Still cheaper, 240 of my 300 is for a damn rail tax I will never use. I was outside of STA2 so it was $50 so ST (Sound Transit) made a fake route so that could tax me too. There will NEVER be a route there. My location is rated a 2 out of 100 for public transit but 80% of my vehicle tax is for this fake route.
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This is about titling not registering. You can take your WV title and register it other states.
I was just researching how to acquire a title on a vehicle I bought that didn't have one. It is insane how many hoops you have to jump thru. I wish I could just give them a vin, license plate, ID and some money. I have to go get it appraised at a governmental appraiser, tons of paperwork, bill of sale and a ton of other steps. They said it will cost or the taxes are ( website wasn't very clear) 1 1/2 times the value of the vehicle, but since it's worth less than $4000 they will automatically claim it's worth $4000. You'd think they would want to make it easier to get more revenue. I might just go thru WV DMV if it doesn't work out here in TX.
How dare you complain about your masters in Texas?? Ain't there only steers and queers?? 😂😂
If you have a friend that has a mechanic chop,, do a lien sale.
Bought an antique car once from out of state and had to schedule an appointment to have a state trooper come out and "inspect it." He's just like "Yup, it's a cool car." We chatted for 5 minutes and he left." Why? Why is this necessary? He had way better things to do, and so did I.
@@mexicanspec I am the shop. I almost cut off my finger today with a fan shroud.
@@OfAHigherClass Then do a lien sale on it. Have a friend sign a service order and you are golden.
I recently had difficulty getting a vehicle title in Arkansas. (note: the DMV is normally easy to deal with). After nearly a year of futilely struggling with the DMV, I contacted my state representative. The title was then issued in less than a week...
I was able to get a title to my mothers car in Michigan just a couple of months ago by walking into a DMV with a Power of Atty. It took me all of about twenty minutes, and the worker there was extremely helpful. It was the best DMV experience I've ever had, and I've dealt with DMVs in at least a dozen states over the years.
Wow, I need to drive to that sec of state. Yooper ones are horrible. Been to 5 different ones here, all the same. “Umm I don’t understand sir” 😂.
Nevada DMV is terrible. They do anything they can to stop you from doing what you need to do. Road blocks everywhere they can.
you had the proper paperwork, that usually smooths things out... being legit and all )
Amazing. In Arkansas we have staggered lunchbreaks for the DMV, they all leave at the same time, and stagger back in through the afternoon.
If you are talking about title, deal directly with Carson City.@@TheBandit7613
When I registered my car in WV, I had to specially contact my lender for a paper title as I paid it off around the same time. WV at the time had no support for digital titles (two-three years ago). I’m glad they’re improving that aspect of the system, but this just seems like a cash grab by the state if it ends up as corrupt as the last vehicle titling scheme.
If you want to know about another WV vehicle story, look up how car taxes are quite confusing here right now. There’s an income tax rebate, but only on taxes paid next year, and the state is telling people “only pay the minimum for this period, wait until later”. I think we’re gonna have a lot of confusion over car tax over the next year…
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@@Redmage913 I hear that the great state of WV also got rid of taxes on firearms and ammo?
@@charliegoodnight7560yeah, no sales tax when bought through a dealer in the state.
@@Redmage913actually, they allegedly just fixed that in a special session .
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WV does have personal property tax on vehicles as of right now, but are talking about doing away with it. Some states have restrictions on the number of titled vehicle transfers a person can do a year without a dealer license. This maybe a way to get around that! Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
they tried to abolish that personal property tax a couple years ago and it failed, they also have it on equipment, farm animals and pets last I checked
They used to charge sales tax on vehicles being titled in WV, I had purchased a new car where I was living and then a few months later moved to WV and ended up having to pay sales tax on it before I could title it. Then I had to pay personal property tax on my vehicles for over 25 years. I live in MI now, WV did away with the sales tax when my fiance moved to WV to be with me, so he lucked out. That's good if they get rid of the personal property tax, I was so happy when I gave them my last dime and was able to walk away.
This is only about titles, not registrations and plates!
WVa had to find a profit scheme first.
Now they have.
It's a money maker but it's not what people think.
I would imagine they just expand it to rental agencies. This is clearly their target market in WV.
Sounds like anyone buying a car from Carvana now will have a West Virginia title from now on. With all the stories you've reported of the issues they've had getting titles to people in time, getting them all from one state and in only a couple days sounds exactly like something they'd want to do.
And the system is managed by carvana.. 😂😂
I lived in Maryland years ago and back in the day raced off road motorcycles in events called enduros, mostly in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. These were races over trails and not on a contiguous track. Many races required a tag on the bike as you might be on the road for a 1/4 mile here and there to connect trails. Everyone had either Vermont to Maine tags on their bikes. These were truly off road machines and not street legal in any sense but the law turned a blind eye to these regulated events. I could never ride the bike on the road in Maryland because besides the bike not being street legal, it is/was illegal to register a vehicle outside the state if you were a resident. Don’t know about commercial equipment.
Ohio has laws on it too. If you're a resident of the state, you have 30 days to register your vehicle in ohio.
Example. You move from say KY to ohio. You have 30 days to get rid of the KY plate, and get an ohio plate/registration.
You can technically drive on the out of state plates until you "get caught", at which point they will note it in their system that you've been warned. If you get caught by that same jurisdiction again after 30 days, they can go as far as to tow your car if they really want to.
@@bbrewer5 Locally, the cops (even the state ones) won't bother that way...mainly because the city is right next to an airforce base which means that you need to filter the military and dependents and those living nearby for short term periods. They've had enough issues with the military coming down and demanding sanctions on the cops for the writeups
@AzraelThanatos Where are you talking about? The closest military installation to me, worthy of being recognized for this convo is Wright Patterson air force base in Dayton, OH. It's about a 40 minute drive from my town. They will most certainly harrass you for out of state plates in my area. If you're right outside the base (like within 10 miles), you're probably ok, but any further than that, they will harass you about it around here.
@@bbrewer5 Dayton isn't right next to WPAFB...it's a little bit of a drive. I'm in one of the smaller cities directly adjacent to the base itself. They won't do a thing about plates unless they're expired or there are other things there because there's far to many service members and their families living in the area...and the local cops tend to get annoyed with anyone new who starts things because they've got a rather good relationship with the base cops as well.
I'm about 5 minutes to getting on base if you go by the highway or 10 if not, don't even leave the city until getting to the base itself
ALL vehicles are state regulated unlike tobacco or firearms.
All the trailers that the trucking I worked for had their trailers with Vermont Registrations and plates. I remember the equipment department saying it was because there was no expired on the trailer tags there and it saved the company money in the long run.
West Virginian here. As i recently purchased a used vehicle here about 3 months ago and had to get it titled and get a new plate for my other spare vehicle, i can say that the administrative process at the regional DMV did not take very long and it was about a medium size crowd that day. I was out the door with my Temp plate and paperwork in about a half hour. They do claim to take up to 90 days to send the permanant metal plate. Still waiting on that and its getting close to the limit.
The plates depend on the nearest prison with an active press
I've never understood why they mail the metal plates to you months after the fact. Why can't they just order up a box of plates and have them on the shelf at the DMV so they can hand it over to you when you register the car?
@@e-curb they might have plain old regular plates available. But custom vanity plates must be made to order. I have vanity plates for all of my vehicles.
You used to get them within about 2 weeks. It was that way for the 35 or so years I've been getting plates. But they claim it takes longer now and no one has a good excuse why.
You should have gotten normal plates for your car and then ordered the vanity plate.@@RoyatAvalonFarms
Wait, in what town was this magical DMV located? North and Central are all a nightmare. Elkins I bet, I hear they have unicorns.
what, no way, COMPUTERS in West Virginia?!!! What's next, literacy? Indoor plumbing? The future is here.
If this works, there will be businesses in each state that will for a fee inspect your car and handle the paperwork so you can get a title for your custom car or lost title car. So long as they are careful and reasonable in their fees, it sound like a good deal. In fact, it sounds like a great retirement business.
Lol until you realize it has to be inspected by a licensed inspector in the state and you have to pay 1% of the value of the car every year in personal property tax. As some living in WV, I look for ways to title my cars out of this state not only to avoid the property tax but also the high insurance rates.
You may have just given me an idea for myself.....
I appreciate this.
@@jrfish007 Now I see the reason WV wants to do this. My idea would be to get a title for that rare or lost title car then as quickly as possible transfer it to my home state. Quick example: A few years ago the fed gov't was disposing of a bunch of Humvees at decent prices, BUT specifically without titles. People who lived in friendly states title them as AM General cars or light trucks. However, some states refused to title them for driving on the road. If you knew someone who lived in a friendly state they could title, sell it to you, and once titled the unfriendly state would accept that title.
Second example: I bought a fed gov't surplus Ford Crown Vic. from a dealer in TX. He shipped it my home along with teh bill of sale from the fed auction and a bill of sale to me. My state refused to issue a title. He had to get a TX title and then I had to transfer that onto my home state title. It took nearly three month to get that all done.
They have inspections so NOPE. Title in WA or TN.
All the comments about registration, plates, property taxes, inspections, etc… THIS IS ONLY ABOUT TITLES! This isn’t going to allow out-of-state individuals to start registering their cars in WV.
did we learn nothing fro what happened in VT?
West Virginia isn't exactly a state famous for "learning".
Nothing needed learned from VT in the first place.
I kinda doubt WV can legally offer this service to businesses, but not the public....I mean isn't there an equal protection thing where government can't grant privilege's to select groups of citizens. I'd think they could offer businesses a better rate for title services based on volume, but I don't see how they can deny individuals access to legal government services....IDK you're the lawyer am I wrong🤔
WV DMV is a joke. There is nothing fast or easy with them. I went to get my license and the woman repeatedly went over all my documents with a fine tooth comb till she spotted my birth cert name was Charlott, all my 62 years I have used Charlotte. It took me 2-3 hours to get my license, minus the e of course. Old license, social, bills, bank statement, every last thing had the e. Thank god FL is fairly easy and cheap to get it fixed without hassle. I went to DMV, slapped the birth cert down and told them I wanted my e back. Of course I had to pay to have it added.. I can imagine the shit show this is going to be
Look straight up from the propellor of the Titanic, and there you'll see Ben Hundo, tucked between the license plates, right side (also above the Lehto's Law mug, far right)
You know what my son and daughter live in WV so I'm good.
Take me home
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To a place I call home
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To the place my car title is from!
@@unoriginalname4321 call fantastic. This was a group effort. Give yourself all the big thumbs up.
Licensing and traffic law are definitive evidence that Americans are not free.
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Steve: Watch your language! "Irregardless" is not really a word you should use. It means the very same thing as "regardless"; the "ir" is redundant.
Aaaaaaaaand just like that you wake up one day to your vehicle missing from your driveway only to find out, upon calling the cops, that you "sold" your car to some rando in another state without ever knowing it.
Honestly, I never knew West Virginia had computers. Digital meant fingers in that state.
Sounds like you've never been there.
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Around the 2:40 mark you use the expression 'Red Tape' a common phrase most of us have known since childhood. Have you considered a video doing a deep dive into the history and early meanings of that phrase?
Can see this being easily abused. Scammers can take the vin from your vehicle and file for title in W VA then take loans out against your car you're now responsible for and the title isn't even from your state.
And the Tweakers everywhere rejoice.
The abbreviation for West Virginia is WV. Not W. Va. West Virginia is a separate State not the western part of Virginia sorry I'm a West Virginia native and we take that s*** serious
You/your 'business' needs to post a $250,000.00 surety bond with West Virginia in order to use the title program. These types of bond typically cost between 1% and 10%, depending upon your credit, etc. So, that title transfer just cost you $2500.00 to $25,000.00. This concept is good, but the cost seems prohibitive.
"The cost seems prohibitive" for individuals, but not for the businesses its intended to assist.
@@Moosetick2002 maybe. maybe not. hopefully WVa will offer a similar lower cost program for small businesses or individuals in the future. Still... this isn't the West Virginia equivalent of what was available in Vermont for individuals wanting to title a barn find auto.
Are my ears deceiving me? Did you say "irregardless"? You do know there is no such word. 🙂I'll send the vocabulary police to your door. Take care. I really enjoy your videos.
If you flip cars, you're already either a business or a rioter.
This does not help John Q. Public. What about guys like me who might want to buy a car or motorcycle and get a legal title?
As an Aussie, I can't understand why your system is so complicated. We don't have vehicle 'titles' as such. Your registration papers do that job, and if you buy a currently registered vehicle, you just transfer that existing registration into your name. Some states do require a roadworthy inspection at that point. Unregistered cars, you fill out a form, take it into the local registration authority, and if the numbers on the form match those on the system, you're good to go. If the numbers entered raise a flag, stolen or defected, (National database) then you have issues. If the numbers don't quite match those on the system, say an engine has been changed, then a visual ID inspection is required. So if you drag a barn find out that hasn't seen the light of day in 30 years, as long as it's roadworthy, and has not been reported stolen, you can get it on the road quite easily.
Money is why. Title shows you own the vehicle, and to get it transferred you have to pay sales tax, but it's a one-time thing. Registration is a recurring yearly charge.
Yup, greed.
Some states charge you BECAUSE you work in their state.
It's a privilege tax. No lie.
Taxes
It is the whole STATES part, anything not specifically declared federal is a states rights issue, abortion, alcohol, vehicle licenses, homesteads, etc.
Title is one thing, but plates are a bit of a pain in WV. You need annual inspections, and proof that you paid county tax to renew tags. Both would be difficult for out of state residents.
Lol yes . its plate registration that matters when it comes to a vehicle getting inspected and by the state vehicle is in not where its title is registered. Lol so many comments about not having to do emissions test since WV doesn't have it to get plated ( however they do look for signs of bad exhaust or such when doing WV inspection). Lol dummies think it gives them a free pass but the states that do have serious emissions requirements have strict rules on out of state vehicles anyways like in California can only drive a residential diesel auto like a vw rabbit for only 1000miles until get a converter. Also most States once vehicle is there for 90 days to 180 one has to plate it in that state usually.
You don’t need to prove the inspection to get plates.
@@blueoval250 I didn’t say that you needed to prove the inspection…. You need to prove you paid property tax, on the vehicle, in order to renew tags.
Hmmm .. it makes sense that they say "businesses" in the statement. Many states have laws requiring individuals to get the title to a car registered in the state of residence. But businesses .. interesting.
I think some are miss understanding. Titling a vehicle is a completely different operation from Registering and getting WV Tags. To get WV tags on a vehicle you will need several "Proofs" that you are a resident of WV, needing to show a utility bill with a WV address for one thing.
I am glad they are trying to catch up with technology. Until recently the only place to title a vehicle was the DMV, now they allow private businesses to provide Titling and registration services within the state. It's only been in the last few years that they have implemented a way to renew registrations and drivers license on line.
PO Box, less than $100.
Nope, not accepted. You can have a Po Box for receiving mail, but the "Proofs" required for registration need a physical address, such as Utilities, power, water even cable.@@toriless
This is going to go well.
WVA has a reputation of harboring simple but friendly rednecks. Example: When we visited WVA, we saw a plate: 2HOS4U at a gas station. Two ladies in the car were dressed skimpy like street walkers. We laughed and said, did that slip by DMV, or are Ho's really welcome here? 🙂
Exactly. I imagine the recent rash of trucks in the Midwest getting stolen, titled out of state and then flipped to used car dealers in AZ is going to see a boon from this.
Well, gee whiz! I have a non-titled vehicle that I thought I was going to have to part out. I really want to drive it, though, but I gave up hope of ever getting title to it.
I bought the vehicle from a guy. He gave me a bill of sale and the original title, on which he signed off. The problem is he didn't get his signature notarized. In our state, signatures relinquishing titles do not have to be notarized, so he didn't do it. The problem is that the title was issued over 40 years ago when a notary WAS required. Now the DMV calls this a "spoiled" title. My only recourse, so I am told, is to go to the original owner - NOT the guy from whom I bought the vehicle - and that that person to request a replacement title from the state. THEN it can be signed over to me. The problem with THIS is that guy is dead. That's how my friend acquired the vehicle. So, there it sits. It doesn't run. I haven't put any money into it because if I can't operate it legally, why bother? But I would love to get a clear title in my name, license it, get it running, and then enjoy it.
I wonder if this West Virginia thing would work for me?
im in exact same boat.
In my state, you would have to follow the "title by bond" process.
"W. Va."? Who says "W. Va."? LOL That was so confusing. What's the postal code for West Virginia? WV? I'll look it up...yep, WV is correct. Not "W. Va." 🤪
"W. Va." had me thinking of "Washington Veterans Affairs Administration" or something. 😂
They finally hired a 14 year old computer programmer !
I once paid $400, for a truck, chevy c10, with a weak moter. The state was having a meltdown, because they did not know if the truck had 208,000 miles, or 200,000, and also had trouble believing I paid $400 for it. This was a truck, I was going to drive to the recycling center, once a week, on Saturday. the motor was weak, but this would be the perfect "station car" (a beater car, that people used to drive to the train station, or during the winters). Shockingly, the car ran another 10 years, and I only stopped driving it because it had a top speed of 38 miles per hour.
Are they crazy, l can see the crimes already. Why don't people think these things through before counting up the money they think is coming.
Carvana and Hertz can now register their stolen cars in West Virginia. Bless their heart. 😊
yep, it is clearly about fleets
Look for Wyoming (or some other low pop state) to get in for a piece of the action.
someone needs to do it.. even texas wont let you register your older vehicles.. its ridiculous
@Steve Lehto - Sounds like Mortgage Electronic Registration System (MERS) for motor vehicles is next. What could possibly go wrong?
Sometimes when God closes a door, he opens a window. 😂
Considering I have been waiting near a year so far in Mn for a title to be sent to me. All inquiries say I'm just supposed to kep waiting
Don't forget to VOTE then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂
NY state won't issue me a title because the letter from the bank is not worded the way they want. And the bank will only send the forms letter NY refuses. So 2 years after paying off my loan I still have no clear title.
How many times did you VOTE?? 😂😂
I'm curious if this will help a certain online car retailer with some of their title problems.
It would be hilarious if every car in every state switched over to WV plates :)
But then I do appreciate me some chaos.
It’s still against the law in at least some/most states to do such a thing for personally owned vehicles , regardless of what WV does.
Businesses are somewhat different unless it still wholly operates within the state it exists in.
@@SIGINT007 I used to work for a company based in FL and all their sales vehicles had FL plates. It made it easier to manage but the employees hated it because they got pulled over more for having out of state tags and even harassed by their HOAs for having "guests" (from FL) staying at their place too long.
@@SIGINT007 That is open to interpretation. If WV makes it legal then the other states have to accept that it's legal as far as it goes. The details will have to be worked out. Certainly California would struggle to not allow vehicles with WV plates to operate in their state.
Ironically, in 1977 I bought land in WVA and went to register a car I purchased off a newspaper ad in Maryland. The title had no signature from the seller. In WVA at that time most car dealers could title your car and register it. But the state required a seller signature on the title. The lady at the dealer told me if I went to VA just down the road they would title the car with no signature which wasn't required in VA. And they'd give me an instant title on the spot. So off I went and sure enough, I was able to come back in a couple of hours, title in hand, in my name to be re-titled in WVA and registered. I signed the new title from VA myself since I was listed as the owner. Problem solved.
Great for car thieves, nice tip
Another example of America being the richest 3rd world country.
Oh the huge manatee! Keep clutching those pearls!
Trust me WV DMV is no treat. Their undocumented rule is 'make the customer return twice'. Typical visit goes like this. 8:00 line forms outside, 8:30 doors open you quickly get a number ticket (I think the ticket person lives in there), 8:50 the window workers slowly waddle in past us waiting, like march of the penguins. 8:55 they waddle around shuffling papers and coffee while we watch, 9:15 the oldest slowest one waddles to one of the 15 windows and calls a ticket number. That window will be the only one open until 11:00, then all the missing workers will waddle away to lunch. There's been a dead guy in the same chair gathering dust for the last 5 years holding a ticket. MOST IMPORTANT AND NO JOKE - if an old vehicle has less than a 17-digit VIN, like anything pre-1980, a state official has to see it and touch it and sign a VIN Verification form.
I WA, we have private license companies, just mail a form or stand line for a few minutes. Fishing license, trapper license or car registration, it does not matter. We believe in civil rights unlike most states.
I took a look at their FAQ and it doesn't sound like this will make titling difficult vehicles easier.
"What data needs to be provided?
You will need to provide the title, title number, lien release evidence, and letter of guarantee."
You also need a $250,000 surety bond.
Even if one sets up a shell business to qualify, they still need to post a $250,000 surety bond with WV.
This would have solved 90% of the issues with Carvana. They weren’t able to title in all 50 state’s individually because they didn’t want to hire enough people to have someone doing title work in each state and kept getting in trouble. Now they can just do all their title work out of an office in west VA.
Be great if they open this up to individuals as well! My parents fight Comifornia annually to comply with their smog check garbage and then have to pay excessive fees to register. I'd love to stick it to those jerks and just pay a reasonable fee to West Virginia instead.
I moved from Southern California because my 1969 Jaguar XKE that I restored over years, was modified and therefor had to go through the CARB BS! In 1969 cars were only required to have a PCV valve which it did. I was just so furious when they declined.
What if you just have a bill of sale , police verification of vin and a clean history OF NEVER BEING ON THE HOT STOLEN LIST. .....ALL NOTORIZED . BUT NO TITLE .....????
This will set a dangerous precedent because chop shops, salvage yards, tow yards etc. Of which many are crooked will take advantage of this. And let's not forget criminal organizations that ship stolen vehicles overseas
I was wondering about that. Sometimes antique cars have missing titles so I can see the value, but I am wondering how they will prevent theft and fraud.
so everyone has to make a living
😂 They are not going to register for this.
Silly rabbit.
I live just 25 mins from WV in Loudoun Co VA; my dad’s family lives in WV (Huntington/tri-state area). If there is no emissions or safety inspection, I may register (under my eBay reselling LLC) my 2002 Camaro Z28 6-Spd manual there-have straight pipes… gonna check it right now!
This is about titling, not registration.
There are inspections but if you aren’t driving it in WV you don’t need it
I think this is intended to have large companies pick WV as the state to title and plate everything. Doing this for say a large trucking company or large fleet companies that have fleets in dozens of states making it simple and easy to go to one place and have it done. Rather than local areas. You will find things like semi trailers that are titled in dozens of states rather than in one state. Doing this will not only make it easy to keep up to date on tags, plates and things like that.
Though I really think that plates should be issued once and cost several thousands of dollars either to a car for say 20 years. For example say a tags cost 200 dollars per year for 20 years that would be 4000 dollars and if you get a plate it would say 2053 when it expires. You buy a new car you take your plate and put it on the new car and then update the information with a simple text message or phone call.
In my state (Minnesota) back when I owned trucks the semi trailer plate cost $10 for the life of the trailer. No doubt it’s doubled since then.
Face it, this is move to steal rental fleets.
"The American Division of Motor Vehicle Administrators".....
Who the FLUCK is that? A division of the, "GUM BALL MACHINE SERVICE ADMINISTRATION"????
Sadly this could be a huge loophole that can be abused for salvage or stolen vehicles.
I'd rather have a thousand stolen cars titled falsely than have 1 honest person not be able to title their project car because some idiot lost the title.
@@Breakstuff455khz and, a stolen car issued a title under false pretenses can usually be remedied, although it may take a while.
Titling a stolen car is an assured conviction if people are dumb enough to do it
The back story.
Big Jim is trying very hard to incentivize wealth, tourist dollars and businesses entities to move to WV.
His position is all this East Coast money flows to places like Florida & Delaware for tax and business advantages.
And people personally move / establish residency in Florida for estate and income tax reasons. While also thinking about all the outdoor activities available down there.
His position is WV is a beautiful state, with lots of outdoor activities, that in many cases is within driving distance, or crazy short flights, for these high net worth individuals. “So why not WV?”
He has also been canvassing that state trying to make the argument they need to completely revamp the tax code to draw in this money.
It’s been a hard sell and uphill battle because even though folks consider WV a GOP stronghold these days, the culture in WV is still very much influenced by class and rich vs poor.
This car title thing is a small administrative move he can do to further the cause in that direction.
Now you know the rest of the story….
INSTRUCTIONS: Application for Clearinghouse Non-resident Business Participation
Fee for a first-time applicant is $400.00 (Application fees are non-refundable)
Documents needed for upload:
Proof of Valid US Business License From Your State of Residence
NIST Level 2 Letter of Attestation
Information Security Questionnaire Form
SOC II Type II Record of Compliance (ROC) Report
$250,000 Bond (MV-100-CH)
There's a flaw in your logic. Say you have a 2 week termination policy but you hire a man who is dangerous. He operating very expensive equipment, he's putting people around him in danger. Now I can't fire him even though he started yesterday, I have to let him put others at risk.
In construction, one screw up could cost tens of thousands of dollars or someones life. The company takes the majority of the risk.
So now we view W Virginia titles with suspicion?
No.
Almost heaven... West Virginia. Blue Ridge Mountains, National Digital Title Clearinghouse.
A goofy anecdote -
BITD, my father bought a 1965 Harley 165cc (yes, Harley built 2-strokes in America). It was from Alabama (we were in Cali). It seems that Alabama was a 'non-title' state. It turned into bureaucratic hell. In desperation, we replated it with a plate from another one of our bikes. Problem solved.
LMAO, I was so confused trying to figure out how WV was going to offer "Car Tilting" in all 50 states. Slightly disappointed I read that wrong.
I bet you VOTED repeatedly.. 😂😂
Almost Heaven, West Virginia
Fast car titles, We're not Indian Givers
The line just flows there, flows there like Old Crow
While California makes you trade your soul
Allegory roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, black Impala
Take me home, Allegory roads
(Al-gree)
Sounds like W.V. is selling their credibility just for the price of a titling fee.
Maybe there’s a GOOD reason for taking longer …….. maybe to check and see if you ACTUALLY own the vehicle or if that vehicle really exists. This isn’t gonna end good !!😩
"oh, criminals will find a way to be criminals." Who cares? Find something that criminals won't use for criminal purposes. If that is the standard, then we just would not do anything at all. It is foolish to believe that you will ever be able to put forth enough edicts to stop crime.
But this, I love.
You see, there is an eternal clash between business and government. Business wants to create things. Business wants to create commerce. Business wants to produce and distribute goods and services to the people, for ONLY in those goods and services lies the wealth of a nation. GOVERNMENT, on the other hand, wishes to produce nothing, lay on it's fat bureaucratic ass and leech off of the people who are actually out there contributing to society.
Here, West Virginia is saying "we will help the good guys." Does your state require you to obtain an expensive dealer's license if you fix up and sell too many cars? If you are out there providing affordable transportation to the masses, does your state sit back like a mafia boss demanding that you wet it's beak? Well come top West Virginia. We will happily accept your modest titling fees in exchange for rescuing you from the wanna be gangsters in your own state legislatures.
WELL DONE, West Virginia! The Founding Fathers will be relieved to look down on us and see that we have at least ONE state that understands what they wrote and what they tried to create here.
Oh oh oh,,,
Hey,
Where do the people in the "District of Columbia", register their vehicles?
Is there a DCDMV, and would it supercede the states????
Take advantage? Ya think? LOL Good ol' Jim Justice, governor of West Verginny. You've heard that he's running for the US Senate, right? He's just opened a floodgate of cash into his state. Good campaign move.
Now I know right where to score a dodgy title again. Alabama, New Hampshire, Idaho, Vermont, you're dead to me. West V-A, you never disappoint, you'll do pretty much anything for a buck.
Just before covid, Minnesota instituted a NEW improved centralized titling system. As expected processing went from the previous 3 to 4 weeks, to 12 to 14 weeks. During covid, it could take 6 months! At least we have the 3rd highest taxes in the country to look forward to.
VA is requiring a $250,000 surety bond for the business... there is your possible safety net.
I bet their angle is that to get a title someone gets the sales tax out of that transaction. I'm sure West Virginia is happy to take on that role.
Did you actually use a double negative by saying the word irregardless??? Steve you join the world of Immortals LOL.
What's the dea lwith having to pay for every year of ownership instead of just once when purchased? Any legal suits been filed about this?
i would just like to find a way to not be forced to pay the outrages' tax the ca dmv wants.
i am looking at a $800. USD tax this jan.
some are paying over a grand.
the tax is based on the sales price / believed value, not usage.
i am retired on a small fixed income. do not drive much. who can afford gas over $5USD a gallon.
Wondering if Puerto Rico, Guam and other territories - perhaps Indian tribes could benefit from W Va’s efforts. => Just as Delaware biased their corporation law to benefit multinational companies, such as DuPont and recovered hundreds of millions of dollars in fees for corporations, W Va may well be seeking money and helping folks is ok too.
One of the issues that people are having is some states (thanks to the Biden Administration) are having issues getting titles for their military surplus vehicle's. So you buy a truck, Humvee or Jeep from the decommissioned US government auction. They issue you a SF 97 title to show your DMV to get a real title since these vehicles never had one. However, because the Biden Admin is cracking down on states threating them with removing their road funding to help maintain roads if they don't stop issuing titles for these vehicles. (because they are not environmentally friendly and were not designed for road usage). W. Va can hopefully help those people who do buy these vehicles.
This means ~
Cars that are impounded, forfeited, abandoned or salvaged can be titled by the holding lot that participates in the auctions/sales of otherwise nontitled vehicles.
So if "coparts" wants to participate, they can now get a title for any and all vehicles, regardless of how they got it.
Ensuring every vehicle has a current title.
General public will still have to "know a guy".
But for other auction sites, that guy is already in there.
So, good news for car flippers.
I know a lot of businesses are going to jump on this in a heartbeat.
Almost makes me want to open my shop back up.
Now a "Vermont Title" won't have quotation marks anymore. Predict some place will bring NC to federal court.
I wonder if they are thinking they will get all of Carvana's title work, maybe car rentals and fleets? The problem with people who say I did not have a problem with my local DMV is they are doing one transaction every few years if that many. Take you personal DMV experience, including time spent, and multiply by 400,000 to see what Carvana experiences in a year.
A “National” title resource COULD be lawful IF it were a federal project wherein the US claimed exclusive jurisdiction, it seems to me.