Police Dept Dumps Entire Fleet of Durangos Due To Engine Failures
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A little advice, don't sell a fleet of defective vehicles to the police because they may look at you for fraud.
Aftermarket Oil Coolers are very straight forward affairs. I've installed several over the years.. this wasn't splitting the atom.
Does lehto slaw have pineapple?
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Big corporations have fully transitioned from "too big to fail" to "too big to care".
Research "Jack Welch"!
How long until we finally decide they're too big to exist?
This is really a case of a couple of Police chiefs who don't like Ford, going out & buying a far less capable vehicle from a manufacturer they personally like. The claim it was a supply chain issue is just them covering their own rear ends.
It is hard to care when you know you are going to get bailed out.
@@LugborG I'm fine with big corporations, as long as they're a non-profit operating for public benefit. Otherwise I'm ready to ban them, or whatever else it might take.
If they treat the government that bought 516 units at $50G's is $25,800,000 like this, imagine how they treat 1 guy that buys 1 Durango?
Let me answer your question.....like sh!t.
@@donh6416 I was thinking - "like shit" would be the comforting feeling you would feel when ending that relationship.
@@user-BigDog68 I was thinking more like what's left in the porcelain bowl. A flush to get rid of it.
They treat their workers just as bad. Their plant in Northern Illinois was shut down to convert from motor vehicles to electric vehicles. There are arguments that they have delayed the re-opening of the plant on purpose and their Union workers have been protesting Stellantis the last few weeks.
As Steve states in the video, the individual is covered by Lemon Law. So they'd probably get a lot better result than the police chief.
"We sell a vehicle that has a serious design flaw. Its complicated, not so easy to fix. Bear with us."
I wonder if Chrysler and Boeing are being run by the same management.
But it is an easy fix
The part that is failing is made out of plastic and the aftermarket has an upgraded parts made of aluminum
Thank Jack Welch of GE fame for this problem. The higher-ups in most corporations don't see a problem!!
Chicago Bean Counters ???
@DaveBigDawg Yes, but a car manufacturer just can't put aftermarket parts on their cars without being fully tested. What if the aftermarket part fails too? Then they have a bigger mess.
Yes, they are.
I'm more and more convinced that Stellantis is just trying to drive Chrysler corporation into the ground. The prices of Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, and Ram vehicles has skyrocketed under Stellantis, while the quality has gone downhill, and customer service has gone with it. It's rumored that Stellantis has been trying to sell off the Chrysler brand, and if that's the case they would certainly have zero interest in helping anyone with lemon or warranty claims.
The oil cooler problem is that it is cheap plasic junk. There is an aluminum after market cooler that solves the problem.
I had to replace mine on my 2012 Grand Caravan. I ended up replacing the intake gaskets, too because to get at the cooler, you have to take the intakes completely off. It could've been designed with better materials.
As Steve pointed out.....Warranty issues.
@@studmeister1977 While you're in there. . .
Actually the problem isn't the cooler, we purchased 19 Rams for our fleet, huge mistake as we have replaced or rebuilt 11 of the motors already, not one over 100k miles. The problem is the head design, it does not move enough oil when starting up, why Ram says run 0w-30w oil. Every single failure same issue, oil starved lifters eat the cam.
@@tamreeve3487 The problem gets worse with long idle times on patrol units.
The oil cooler design on the Durango is horrible! It's a plastic housing that easily warps if engine overheats, or simple oil changes can crack the cooler if the oil filter cap (oil filter is inside the cooler housing) is it tightened to much! There is an aftermarket upgrade for the housing which is made of aluminum, not plastic. But the cooler is located underneath the lower intake plenum, making the job a bit costly!
Plenum?! Are you a mechanic or a professor? Sounds like both.
It sounds like they should have stuck with the Chargers. They'd be hard pressed to ever find a replacement as good as the Crown Vics, but the Chargers are generally well regarded. I have a 2014 Charger Interceptor 5.7L HEMI that was a fugitive recovery agency's vehicle (so he left it in a much better condition than a typical state trooper would). I love that thing and it's still going strong at 156k miles (no knocking on the lifters or anything of the sort). It's fun watching everybody slow down when they see me and I generally don't have very many people passing me on the Interstate since I kept the antennas and spotlight on the vehicle (I need to buy the bull bar for it though - I know exactly what one it had since the mounts are still there).
As a fun aside, my family has a history of taking vehicles to high mileages, so 156k is actually quite low for us. My brother has a 1990 Chevy 1500 with 800k miles on it. He also has a 2013 Toyota Tacoma with 300k miles. My dad has a 1997 Ford F-150 with 350k miles. I also have a 1994 Isuzu Pickup with 268k miles. My uncle had an old diesel Mercedes that he took to 1.2 million miles before his stupid drunk daughter totaled it.
@@kevinvilmont6061 Yes, lower intake manifold plenum. It's a well known issue with the v6 engine. Thousands of Jeep owners can tell you all about it. Very common issue.
@@daviddover4563 Thanks!
Knowledgeable and a nice guy . Dual threat! Have a great weekend:😊
Stellantis saved money by eliminating the R&D department.
They let customers do that now.
If by stelantis, you mean all auto and truck manufacturers, then yes you are correct.
I just assumed they turned it over to Fiat.
@@Matt-uj9wl I've NEVER seen a Toyota product that needed multiple suspension components replaced with less than 60k miles on the clock.
It's ROUTINE with Chrysler products.
ahhhh.... The Microsoft business model....
@@bradleysmith2021 Chryslers have had garbage suspensions for 50 or 60 years. I dont understand why they don't just copy a different manufacturer instead of attempting to reinvent the wheel.
However Toyota is slacking on their R + D as well. Google the problems with the new gen tacoma's and tundra's.
Very few manufacturers actually making quality products any longer. Planned obsolescence is their primary design philosophy.
Companies used to proud to make quality products that would last decades (and often times at a good price). Now, they make expensive plastic electronic trash that's destined for a landfill in 5 to 10 years.
They are skipping testing and we are buying the test beds to help debug their crap
As an old Mopar guy, I wouldn't touch anything made by Stellantis with a 20 foot pole. RIP Chrysler.
I mean, i still like limited modern years First gen Durango 05 and newer(11) Dakota but i would still choose to do a cummins engine swap and what not. it's just the body styles i like any more.
68 Barracuda here!
I know, I loved Mopar. Stellantis ruined them. I would take anything with a pre 74 440.
The last good Mopar product I had was a 1981 Reliant. The very last Mopar product I will ever own was a 2001 Intrepid. That thing was a disaster on wheels.
@@ShovelMonkey Mine's a 1998 Dodge 1500 Laramie extended cab, 5.9 magnum V8. Mileage sucks but I love my truck.
Known issue with the oil coolers since they were made of plastic. The after market fix is all aluminum. Simple but time consuming fix since they are under the intake manifold. The issue is either external crack that leaks oil or internal were the oil and coolant mix.
No vehicle will beat the reliability of the Crown Vic PI
They were dead reliable. Even years after auctioning off , those things were driving everywhere.
@@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751 I just gave my 2000 Crown Vic. to my nephew. Still running, everything works. AC, heater, radio, electric seats.
One lives a few houses from me. It's in pristine condition. Will outlast any vehicle I currently own.
So true! A lot of decommissioned PIs get a second life as taxis.
I had a ‘91 Crown Vic former CHP cruiser. Great car.
15k miles?? That’s pathetic no matter how they’re run.
When you see the word Dodge, that's what you should do!😆
Yup it’s not a name, it’s a warning
You might have to RAM it out of the way.
Dodge van accident: Chassis broke and passengers all hurt but the bumper survived the rear end collision just fine. I wish that was a lie or an exaggeration.
There has got to be good acronym for Dodge like the is for Ford(Fix Or Repair Daily). Haven't heard or seen one. Any takers?
@@indolentcheese Dodge... The E is long not silent.
His first mistake was getting a Dodge! 😉
It got rammed through the committee...
@@nightrunnerxm393 I seen what you did there.😂😂
@@nightrunnerxm393 Dodge.... Charged too much and Challenging to keep them running. A real Hornets nest.
I ran a cab company for years. 185 vehicles on the road. Every Chrysler product was junk and we had many crown vics make it to 500k to 600k before they were so clapped out we had to kill them off. I hate that everything today including cars are disposable.
And ,, Pay More, get Less
How many times has Chrysler been bailed out?
Thanks Louie De-palma. ha ha ha But really you are so right. I have had two Lincoln Town cars for the past 30 years. 4.6 liter Ford is one of the best and most reliable engines ever made. I can attest to that
Chrysler has been probably the worst major auto manufacturer on Earth for decades.
Too much plastic, to manage weight, but of course, that greatly detracts from durability. Finite resources and continual population rising has huge costs over time.
Dodge didn't call and offer to fix it because there is no solution. They just ignored it and released a new engine. The oil cooler/oil filter housing looks like it would be inserted into the block, but it doesn't. It just sits on top of the block with o-ring gaskets being compressed, acting as the oil barrier to stop oil from leaking out. Also, it is an aluminum block with a plastic oil filter housing and an aluminum oil cooler on top. All of that in the valley of the cylinders.
Selling Chargers to flee from police is a more profitable market than police vehicles.
Nonsense, since you count outrun a radio and the ensuing roadblocks.
But for people who value speed over reliability, sure.
@@rogergeyer9851 Sarcasm went right over your head, didn’t it?
There is no contract more precious than a police fleet contract. Get your head out of your butt, most cars on the road are financed. PDs actually buy the vehicles and don't need to be chased down for payment.
@rogergeyer9851 always that one NPC replying like a bot 😂
They are sold to criminals. They steal them.
They put the oil cooler on the bottom of the engine near the center. That makes sense to Stellanis; the rest of us would put it, oh, I don’t know, in front of the radiator where it can catch air and stuff…😮
Yes, and imagine keeping the oil cooler separate, so you don’t get coolant mixed in if it fails? $5 per car? Similar to the chevy trax putting the timing chain in the oil bath area. Or the ford explorer burying the water pump. Each shortcut saves the manufacturer $5 but costs the customer $3000 (+/- 50%) and often totals the vehicle. I wouldn’t mind if the vehicle went 200,000 or 300k miles then these issues came up, as the manufacturer could claim that everything else is shot so time to junk it.
@@new2000car the biggest failure with these coolers is that they leak like a sieve. Not saying it can't happen, but I haven't personally seen that type of failure.
Wait! Stellantis makes shitty cars? What a shock! 🙄
Chrysler made shit long before Fiat and Stellantis entered the picture. Daimler learned a hard lesson.
*shocked pikachu face*
@@chcarroll5164yeah, mercedes thought they would bring Chrysler up, instead chrysler dragged them down.
I have long held that Chrysler made very pretty cars but their reliability just sucked.
I remember talking to a Chrysler dealer mechanic in the late 1970s. He was complaining they had so much warranty work because of stupid things. And they were the same things. When Chrysler was facing bankruptcy a couple of years later, that was why. All their profit was going back to pay for the shit they sold.
They have built trash vehicles for decades. I’m surprised people still buy the crap they manufacture.
ALL police/law enforcement PATROL vehicles should come equipped FROM THE FACTORY with HUGE, OVERSIZED, HIGH-CAPACITY, HEAVY DUTY engine oil pans AND also HUGE, OVERSIZED, HIGH-CAPACITY, HEAVY DUTY aluminum engine oil coolers with quality fittings and high pressure hoses, period!
No factory would do that. Police vehicles are modified for their needs after they leave the factory.
The Crown Vic was the best police car ever made. The Panther platform was almost indestructible. They were reliable and stood up to the abuse so well that they would be bought up by taxi companies. I've seen both Crown Vics and Town Cars with over 500k miles on their odometers and they keep on running. There's a reason that some police departments bought a bunch of Crown Vics at the end of their production.
The LA County Sheriff's department bought several hundred extra Vics in 2011. They still have about 300 waiting to go into service
Still see some from 90s still in use
They had a Time tested, rugged, reliable, somewhat cost effective platform. Why have that when they could sell LE departments a costly, hunk of shit that they could make more money. Of course they ended the CV.
Hey, hey, hey. Lat's give the Mercury Grand Marquis some love.
I had a fury when I was young, not bad itself.
There's a reason why towtruck drivers call Explorers, Exploders.
This is dodge. Ford isn’t as bad when it comes to their explorers. It used to be the other way around, but at least the oil cooler on an eco boost is aluminum last time I checked. The engines still blow up due to other reasons, but it isn’t the oil cooler. The Ford Ecoboost is known as the “Ford EcoBoom” for a reason. Again, that reason isn’t the oil cooler. It’s a design flaw in the block. The ecoboost block is very small, even for a normal V6. It’s an aluminum block, and it fails all the time since the aluminum cannot handle the power being put through it by the turbos. Thus, bye bye engine block, and you need a new motor.
@@Keaton0801 i have a FPIU (explorer) and honestly theres alot of issues that theyve found over the last couple of generations. the 2013-2019 had an internal water pump design that would leak by 100-150k miles and would blow up the engine. it costs 2000-3000$ to replace the waterpump because its behind the timing chain inside of the engine.
then theres the power transfer units because theyre AWD. these like to prematurely wear out and may need replacement as soon as 100k miles. thousands to replace.
then theres the transmissions on the 2020-2024 versions that are pretty weak and they like to crap out prematurely. also thousands to replace.
and finally we have the turbos. everyone likes to boast about how fast the explorers are but the only fast explorers are the twin turbo versions. the stock ford turbos burn oil past the turbo seals within the first 100k miles. ive also heard of them prematurely wearing within the first 200k miles. even detonating and destroying the catalytic converters. the OEM turbos are big money too. replacement can cost thousands.
i have the twin turbo AWD version with the internal water pump. i do like the vehicle but i cant exactly rely on it as my only vehicle as its not bullet proof like the crown vics. the explorers are harder to work on and the parts cost alot more. whereas my crown vic really is bulletproof with pretty much any repair being possible in a home garage with handtools within a day. not so much with the explorer
@@Keaton0801cast iron blocks are a lot better for boosted engines but then there's head gaskets issues if it doesn't have reverse flow coolant system
Dodge, "We exceed the standard" 15k miles later, poof. Ford Crown Vic, "Hold my beer" 400k miles later, leeess go.
Previous CoCo 1,2 ,3 owner here.. great username! 😉
Stalintis is a Chinese owned Corporation.
I’ve been a professional AutoTechnician Mechanic 30+ years now. I was a Ford and Chrysler dealership technician throughout the 90’s. I run my own shop now and I am making huge money fixing ALL these piles of crap. The main issue I’m seeing are Camshaft lobes being wiped out by the rocker arms. If your dodge/chrysler sounds like a sewing machine that’s the issue!😂😂😂😂
@SteveLehto ALL Durangos are huge piles of crap.
Stellantis is headquartered in Hoofddorp, Netherlands and is not Chinese.
@@stevec3526 Do your research. Stalantis is owned by the Chinese, higher up the food chain.
@@stevec3526 Regardless of who owns them, they’re still HUUUGE pieces of CRAP.
We’re making money on these at ALL the Professional shops.
Most have under 100,000 miles. I currently have a 2018 Durango, with less than 80,000 miles and the rocker arms chewed through 1/8”-3/16” of material from the cam lobes on the 3.6L Pentastar engine. Absolute garbage.
@@Gijeff69 nope, "Rumors have been circulating in the automotive world that Chinese automaker BYD is eyeing a potential acquisition of Chrysler, one of the iconic brands under Stellantis. Both companies have publicly denied these claims, with BYD going as far as labeling the reports as “fake news” on their official Weibo account." Mopar Insider 8/24
My wife's Stalantis minivan had the same oil cooler blow up near Yellowstone this summer.
Dodge Journey or Chrysler Pacifica?
I rented a Pacifica for my trip there last year, it did pretty well on a 2500 mile two week trip.
It was a plug in hybrid, maybe that helped since the first ~17 miles were all electric...
@@ChrisL-oz4lp our journey had three motor failures under warranty
@@xiaoka that is hers and she loves it. It is a 2023 with 22,000 miles. Also a hybrid.
To much plastic on engines can't handle the heat .
Oil Cooler issue is hard to detect? The factory produces the part out of a polymer. The after market replacement is made out of aluminium. It is a known issue, Stellantis!
Plastic is junk when used in a engine
It's very hard to detect an issue when you ignore basic common sense during design, then refuse to test the finished product, and then stick your head in the sand when failures start happening.
$50k is low for a Durango?? Like fuck it is! I’ll never pay that for one of those!
For an OUTFITTED police cruiser.
Freaking Chrapsler products. They're junk in the Jeep Cherokee models as well.
Have been for as long as i remember. They are to big to fail so let us bail them out repeatedly.
@xcalibertrekker6693 used to just be transmissions and brakes. Now engines too.
Total junk
The only one woth anything is the older 4 liter straight six ones.
had a 2012 JGC never really had a problem with it. outside of some prick slashing a tire.
Sorry I blame the dealership, they knew what the vehicle's were going to be used for and properly upgraded them 😮😮😂❤
PA State Police are experiencing the exact same issues with their new Durangos
IN State Police as well. I read a story recently that something like 90% of their Durangos were down because of it.
This needs to be made public. It will get the attention of Dodge. Maybe
Should’ve bought a fleet of Toyota
Which one? Not the V6 that is being replaced in 100,000s of trucks.
Toyota has fewer problems, but if they do, they tend to blame the owner 1st
Toyota doesn’t sell any pursuit rated vehicles.
Good 'ol Crown Vics w/ carbureted(yes later were fuel injected), pushrod, non-turbo 'old timey' tech were used for 30 years on police forces for years for good reason. It was not unusual for them to go 400k miles with good maintenance.
EPA "fixed" THAT problem!!
Since 1992 all crown vics were overhead cam, not pushrod
I don't think the crown Victoria was ever carburetated. The LTD crown victoria was probably carburated it's first year, 1980 but the rest were fuel injected all the way to 1991.
Crown Vic was never carbureted,nor pushrod equipped.They were injected SOHC 4.6L engines.There were some that were fitted with the TEKSID 32 valve DOHC from the Lincoln and Mach 1 Mustang.I owned a new one in 2002.I was surprised to see this engine in it with 32 VALVE on the silver valve cover.Had an LX Sport,which may be the reason for this engine installed.
Surprise, somebody finally figured out what dodges are, junk. All one has to do is research.
I am not aware of which cooler the police built Durangos use. That said, the plastic oil cooler that Stellantis has been using on their regular vehicles like the pentastar 3.6l is not good. To be clear, the cooler is metal but the housing that all the oil and lots of coolant flows through in the middle of that engine is plastic. Dorman and others make a metal update.
Ah yes, PLASTIC. Sounds like a great idea.
/s
I suppose they can't replace their cooler with the all metal one, as that would concede a design issue.
Just like the plastic coolant elbow of the GM 3.8 series II
If Dorman is making a better part, you need to rethink where you save pennies
We had a 2001 VW Jetta. Fabulous car, except half the engine was plastic. Thermostat housing, internal timing chain guides, radiator housing, all failed during our ownership. Totaling the repairs, they cost more than we paid for the car. I would never buy another VW product. Went from one of the most reliable car ever built to one of the least!
Stellantis is bleeding.
They acquired many low performing car companies and ran them into the ground.
Unfortunately, most of these companies previous polices sucked so bad, ppl slowed buying them.
Chrysler has 3 models that ppl like, the minivan, the 300 and Jeep.
Not for long if they keep building junk. I've owned three Dodge Caravans which were very reliable, my fourth however with the 3.6 V6 is a pain. Roller lifters which die for no reason, brake calipers that freeze up regularly, fuel pump relay that's has a short life and is permanently attached to a $1000 circuit board. I haven't had trouble with the notorious oil cooler but I'm keeping an eye on it.
Another example of profits over quality.
Maybe they should have bought vehicles actually made in Indiana. Subaru and Toyota have a better reputation for not breaking down.
Years ago, my company purchased a dozen Dodge Shadow as our fleet pool cars. After about 30,000 miles, the Dodge Shadow's head gasket began to leak needing replacement. The company's fleet manager learned that Dodge had sent an advisory notice to its service dealers that this was a known problem with the Dodge Shadow, but if the cars were out-of-warranty, the owners were responsible for the repair cost. The company's fleet manager was pissed and dumped all the Dodge Shadow and replaced with Honda and Toyota. The company fleet manager was incredulous when the local Dodge fleet sales manager complained directly to the company's president that no Dodge cars were even considers.
Dodge = to avoid
Should have stuck with FORD!
Would anyone expect less from a car company. It's like dealing with a cable company ......they just don't care
If it sells regardless of issues, why would they care? It's not right
Not all cable companies are as bad as you think. It depends on what the situation is and how much the technician is committed to doing what needs to be done.
@@thecableguy1128 Due to their consistent hap-hazard installation practices, I will not deal with ANY TV cable company.
My "cable" company were criminals. Automatically discontinuing my affordable plan and billing me double. Turned off paper billing and turned on auto billing so I couldn't easily ditch them and wouldn't easily know what I was being charged. Then eliminated my only channel I watched. I call up to quit, they transfer me to the guy who's there only to prevent me from quitting. He says it will take 5 minutes to get my information 😂. Asks why I am quitting, he then reprograms my missing channel on my account and then gaslights me by asking me to check my receiver. Sure enough, westerns playing again. I knew I wasn't crazy, I scanned every channel three times previously looking for it. I told him I still wanted to quit, I had gotten Wi-fi again and gone to Roku. Dish-network is ruthless at keeping your money through every possible method. Now they waste their money trying to get me back, offering me a plan that twice what I was paying. Idiots.
@@Bonjour-Worldthe holes in the roof kill me. Why not mount on siding?
Rainmaker Ray's channel has many videos of the massive disassembly required to access the plastic POS cooler in order to replace it with a metal aftermarket cooler from Dorman.
I recall when Chrysler Corp made good vehicles...back in the '60s. I worked on several of them. Stellantis? Well, that's a different story.
I owned a 2001 ram. The non sun resistant dash crumbled to dust In ,2016..
The older 3.3l and 3.8L v6 engines in the Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth minivans (in use until from like 1992 until like 2012 or something) were overall very reliable engines, just a very old design with a very old (but also reliable) transmission. Couldn't keep up with requirements for gas mileage so had to be discontinued, but they'd run forever if you kept them up. 41TE and 62TE transmissions that were paired with them were generally pretty good, too.
Honestly, there are very few if any modern engine designs - designs hampered by CAFE, EPA, etc standards for weight, emissions, and gas mileage - which are reliable like our older engine designs, particularly ones that see the usage patterns from police that also require the power and performance of a police vehicle.
Are there ANY cars or trucks being built ANYWHERE TODAY that will be around long enough to become a classic??
@@dough9512cars & trucks built from the late 60’s through the 70’s are classic because of the styling not their reliability. Those cars looked great but ran like trash which is part of the reason why Toyota & Honda started to take off in the mid 70’s. Back then the average age of an American car on the road was slightly over 5 years old but now it’s slightly over 12 years old.
@@dough9512 Anything with a BMW or Benz V8 in it, or anything that has or can LS swap. That's basically it. *Maybe* some of the hybrid vehicles from Toyota (very reliable small engine + very reliable hybrid system + very reliable e-CVT + stylish vehicle with comfort features = classic)
Oh and maybe the 2005-2012 Ford Escape or Mercury Mariner with AWD and the Duratec 3.0L engines.
This is sad that companies do not care these days! No pride in their products and profit is all that matters! I hope all those brands, that operate like this, go out of business!
RUclips Mechanics Have Been Reporting Defects In Durangos For Over 2 Years, Several Even Pinpointing The Problems With The New Fuel Control System Meant To Save Fuel By Leaning Out The Fuel Use. Fowling Out Cylinders In The Process.
Is that with all of the Durangos? I was wondering if it was limited to the ones they designated for police use or not.
Mr Former President, Is That You?
Lean gasoline engine runs hot, brilliant. 🤡💯
I must be missing something here. A lean running engine will "foul out" the cylinders? I am guessing you mean fouling the spark plugs. Only an overly rich fuel mixture, oil entering the cylinder, ring blow-by, or insufficient spark will foul spark plugs.
I think i heard it was an oil cooler that allowed engine coolant to mix with the engine oil hence the dead engine,.
That or the coolers just leaked profusely
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Ford should bring back the Crown Victoria
Or bring back the 4.6 or put the 5.0 in a police vehicle
It wouldn't be the same.
Can't. We reguated Crown Vics out of existence.
Ford number one in recallls
yes but make it look like a cybertruck
That SUV is used by MANY police departments, including the local PD by me.
Why aren't they all having the same issue? Or are the other departments just not reporting issues?
I also looked up 2022 Dodge Durango issues, and oil cooling isn't listed as a common issue with them.
That water/oil cooler problem has been WIDELY reported, if one has their head in the sand, they will miss it....
@@regdor8187 No need to be rude.
Why doesn't the manufacturer step up to fix? Because, it's in the name: Dodge.
😅
The CEO is too cheap and actually on the way out the door as we speak!
Sadly it isn't limited to them
Stellantis bought out FiatChrysler. Stellantis is an investment firm, not a manufacturing company. Needless to say, Stellantis' leadership has no clue how to make quality products- only how to cut corners. The bean counters are running the show, not the engineers. This is the same stupidity that bankrupted GM.
@3:56 🤔🧐 HMM.. ..IT WOULD’VE BEEN NICE IF THEY HAD INITIATED AN EARLY RECALL UPON FIRST NOTICING THE PREMATURE FAILURES DUE TO THE ‘EXPECTED’ MUCH HEAVIER USE..
..D0DGE SHOULD’VE ALREADY HAD A TEAM WITHIN THE R&D DEPARTMENT ASSIGNED TO MONITOR AND DETECT EARLY ISSUES SUCH AS THIS.
I owned an Intrepid. It was Green, and still a lemon. Unfortunately it was a used car so not recourse but to nurse it until I could replace it. NEVER again will I buy Chrysler.
Steve, can you make a spot where all of your coupon codes and sponsor links are so they are easy to look up and find?
Those oil cooler’s are a known problem on all of those engine’s, be it police or normal vechicle’s. It mounts on top of the engine under the intake manifold…high heat area. The plastic warp’s causing oil and coolant leakage.
Very true. This happened on my Dodge Grand Caravan. My mechanic told me he had two others the same week my van was repaired.😢
It is somewhat surprising that they did not mount the oil cooler in an even hotter location, like directly on the exhaust headers.
Have you seen the way departments treat their vehicles? Are you that out of touch?
Before buying a fleet, wouldn’t it make sense to RESEARCH the experience of other police departments????!!!!
Wouldn’t it make sense to build a vehicle better, and fix any issues and not screw over the customer?
@@new2000car They don't care, they know suckers will still buy them.
There are really only 3 PPV rated models offered by all three manufacturers that are viable for everyday police use. Due to buildout dates and other logistical issues, this department may have only had the one option of ordering Durangos. It’s not the department’s fault, it’s Stellantis’ fault.
Sounds like a national scandal! Maybe congress should look into it?
@@Leonard-cx2zi I was a mechanic for a Sheriff's dept. The old ones could last longer, but since no employee loses pay over abusing the property, nothing is good enough.
We’re still driving a 2003 Explorer, purchased new. 230k miles and counting. The only issue is the air conditioner system…. Redone that twice, but otherwise it’s solid. My son took it to college (because I don’t buy kids nice cars!)
This was predictable. A few minutes of research would of exposed how bad Chrysler products are. Stellantas is just whoring the product, using past credibility to sell sub par products. Sue them
Much like 'Schwinn' bicycles that used to be made in Chicago.
Ask any cop one question: If money were no object, what vehicle would you want. Most will tell you the same thing: BRING BACK THE CROWN VIC!!!
Stellantis owns Chrysler Corp.
Dodge hasn't had a say in what or how they build anything for a few years now.
Dodge hasn't been a company in almost 100 years. It's a division of Stellantis. It's basically just a brand name. Nothing but marketing.
@@GTRxMan😂😂
Chrysler was at one time the best American line of cars on the road. Sad to say, but since the 1970’s it has fallen into the “pit” (and not at Daytona…)…
There are dealers that deal exclusively in used Crown Vics. Merrillville would be better off with a fleet of cherry picked high mileage Crown Vics..
They still make Dodge Durangos? I have seen them since the late 90s. Must be terrible trucks with low sales.
Stellantis sucks. I bought an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. Had it for 6 months 5k miles.
Did you buy new?
@@sultanofswing7198 yes
Awesome car, when it wasn't in the shop...
@@0HOON0 exactly, but that was the problem.
How often does the nice lady at the end say song lyrics? It was one today and I caught one a couple days ago and another a few before that
The Ford Crown Victoria last car came off the assembly line in Canada for 2011 model year.
And it was shipped to Middle East to be used as a taxi!
LA Sheriff still has lots in use.
@@slee2819- They stockpiled and put most right into storage.
I loved my Fiat 500 Sport, but yeah, the engine was not made for long life.
If they are using the V6 there is a design flaw with the water/oil cooler exchanger
Its made of plastic and is a known failure
Dorman makes an update aluminum cooler that is way more robust
And if they are using the Hemi, prolonged periods of idling (you know, like cop cars do) kills the cam/lifters.
Sounds like the problem is that they are using a Dodge.
If only there a way that the people who make the upgraded part for Dorman could have directly supplied those slightly more expensive aluminum parts directly to Stellantis so that better oil coolers would have been installed at factories in the first place, avoiding all this. It sounds simple to me, but then I'm not a possibly redundant engineering nobody trying not to rock the boat in an elephantine global conglomerate where decisions are made on other continents by expense-cutting managers who might as well have been running Red Lobster or Sears instead of a car company.
Dorman? Worse than Stellantis
@@8760-x8z not in this case
The RUclips mechanics I watch use the dorman unit and praise it
Other stuff they won't use
Video ends at 12:40. Nice video and yeah in this case I feel some sympathy for the police.
I recently spoke with a deputy working for our local sheriff's department. They have had similar problems with their Dodge/Ram vehicles.
A really expensive fleet 50k per unit and 500k units. 25M…..
Dodge/Jeep/Stelantis DO NOT STOCK spare parts. I had an issue with my Jeep, took them 6 weeks to repair because parts took forever to get. Never buying again as I have since heard parts for my model are now extremely hard to get. This all thanks to Stelantis short cutting on stocking parts and its an issue on every car now.
Jeep is under immediate financial pressure, so they've taken whatever parts they had and assembled them into more Jeeps they can park on their sales lots. Maybe not having any parts set aside for future repairs is a hint that maybe current Jeep management see current Jeep owner's future problems as something that won't involve them.
I was car shopping earlier this year and avoided Chryslers due to the Durango
Wait til they discover that the MDS destroys lifters and crankshafts in those 5.7 HEMIs...
There's a way to delete that. Then the engine is great.
TUNER OR LIKE WE DO MANUALLY BUT PAIN IN A--
Yeah, but that's been known since GM did it with the Caddy back in the day. All you have to do on the 5.7 is put the truck in the highest gear you'll be using for the trip, no MDS that way. Also every 5.7 pre fiat may have that 99year/million mile mopar warranty, and that warranty transfers to one owner. I see plenty pre-fiat 5.7's trucking along without issue. Magnum's are hit and miss, most of them sludge up at around 80,000
I always put my charger in sport mode to get around MDS
My first car, when in high school, was a 1973 Plymouth Gold Duster. A rust bucket it was, but 😊I beat the hell out of it and that slant 6 225 engine kept running. Now in 2024 and going forward, Because of this story, I will never buy a Chrysler product. Just their response to tell the tax payers who bought those police vehicles “screw you”, that is enough. I hope they go out of business. I don’t really care if the employees lose their jobs. The employees should be shouting at the top of their lungs that they need to fix this problem and give the police departments brand new AWESOME vehicles. But that won’t happen so I will never own a Chrysler.
the Slant 6 was, quite possibly, the highest quality engine ever made. My wife had one in an ancient Valiant that rusted to dust long before the engine even considered itself run in
Modern oil coolers are generally water/oil coolers. If the cooler fails you end up with coolant in your oil and that quickly trashes the engine. Sounds like a pretty major manufacturing defect.
More like a major design defect
I'm pretty sure that's the real issue with the oil cooler it's dumping coolant into the oil and the rest of the engine, that's the collateral damage.
Chrysler is just about finished, I am afraid.
How the heck is the Chrysler head manager, or whoever, ignoring the fact that they're going to be cop cars and would need equipment that's different from regular cars?
Steve mentioned "Durango Pursuit", isn't that different from regular cars?
Dodge very specifically markets the "Durango Pursuit" as a police vehicle. It's supposed to be up to the task. Problem is, it is not.
And the name of the vehicle should be a major clue too 😆
For upper management, it's ONLY about how much money ends up in THEIR back pocket!!
Stellantis (aka Fiat, aka Italian Mafia, aka Cosa Nostra)
"Highly complex remedy?" Its pretty straight forward, the engine needs a better oil cooler... It's that simply
It’s the execution of the remedy that’s complicated. Testing a better oil cooler so that it meets regulations, actually doesn’t break down, and then it’s a huge job per car. Yes figuring out what is wrong is easy. In fact everyone already figured that out.
State AG class action lawsuit against Stellantis incoming in...3, 2, 1. Justice for the police but not the people.
Chrysler never stood by their products.
The oil cooler being underneath the intake is crazy. What made them think that was going to work I don't know.
The same think that made Ford think running a rubber/plastic timing chain in the oil-pan was a good idea ---- MONEY !
they didn't really care as long as it was cheaper to manufacture and assemble
The modern car engine is so covered in add on fixes and fancy covers that it is impossible to find room for necessary equipment.... It's called More-On Design....
@@regdor8187
You should see a BMW 7 series V8 engine. Book time is around 30 hours to swap an engine. That's crazy. I've been a mechanic for over 20 years and the evolution I've witnessed is wild.
That dealer is a absolute liar. There are police agencies across the country who are dealing with the same problem. Indiana, State Police says 20% of their fleet of dodge Durangos has had to have the engines replaced so far
Funny you mentioned that. It’s not just Durango’s. My local sheriffs department here in Western North Carolina has 11 Taurus patrol cars with blown turbo chargers. 11, so you know what they did, they upgraded to Durango’s. There needs to be government legislation to protect police departments from vehicles being garbage. So I think it’s almost half of their fleet of all Wheel Dr., Taurus patrol cars are down.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire!
no one capable of using a smart phone? these problems are well known, and documented. genius police no doubt, or their procurers.
Cut to 6 months later when cops start arresting people because the used car he bought his daughter broke down
What genius thought a turbo in a fleet vehicle was a good idea? Let alone a cruiser that's beaten to death by driving like they stole it and running at idle for 50% of time.
@@jerryjerry7561 Use that smart phone to look up and tell me what the alternative is? Ford doesn't make the Crown Vic anymore. Every other option is junk. Something like an Explorer is a better option than a Durango or turbo Taurus but they have issues too. Nobody is making a good fleet vehicle anymore.
I love your jokes, Steve. The one about taking the issue back to the factory so it can be corrected going forward was HILARIOUS. Can you imagine any of the Big 3 actually doing this? Voluntarily sending stuff back to the factory that is going to cost MONEY? No, all that happened then is "we took it to the factory" and then the factory does exactly nothing.
Ben is by the Quebec license plate
Ford Pursuit is NOT AN EXPLORER. Completely different (read basically the same) vehicle only sold to fleets.
Stellantis (aka Fiat) has never had a reputation for reliability. There's a reason there are NO Fiat dealerships in America anymore!😕😕😕
There are tons of fiat dealerships in america, have been since around 2009. Of course the only thing they sell anymore is the 500e.
There are dealerships though.
And the issue isn’t with one single car company. Like phone companies, once one gets away with being cheap they all adopt the practice. Ford, GM, Nissan, and Mazda have all been caught with their pants down in recent years. I think Hyundai too. And maybe Toyota but in a less severe way (PR nightmare though)
As long as the FTC doesn’t do it’s job and companies can keep people placated with BS excuses, its cheaper for these companies to piss some people off than it is for them to built it right from the get go. Anyone with the money to fight them isn’t going to bother and anyone that relies on these cars for their livelihood isnt going to have the time and money to fight them. Car companies don’t want to sell us vehicles. They want to sell us plastic toys that last just beyond the warranty and if it dies before that, convince the customer they are outside the manufacturers warranty for some dumb reason.
@@Marynicole830 How is the Federal Trade Commission not doing its job? Advertising violations? Financing violations? Your'e picking on the wrong agency.
Fix It Again Tony
This is what happens when you don’t go Ford Interceptor.
Dodge / Chrysler uses cheap plastic coolers that dry out and crack very quickly, according to my mechanic who replaced them twice on my Town & Country. The second time he replaced it he used a metal after-market cooler that wasn't available the first time it went bad. Auto manufacturers need to stop using garbage components. They just keep making things cheaper and cheaper to make share holders happy. They really need to be held accountable for these crap components and made to just make or use better quality components.
This should show the public/consumers exactly what Chrysler has become. This latest incarnation is the worst. Let it slip away. Become a footnote like so many other US Auto Manufacturers. I've been a Chrysler/Plymouth consumer since 78 when I had a 72 Barracuda.
Ben - Straight away... Steve's right, against shelf wall.
Car companies like GM on Ford used to have a special build for police cars. They had heavy duty components unlike the retail stuff that they sell. Example heavier duty transmission, engine and differentials. Also heavier duty brakes and other components. When you had to buy parts for these cars, you have to say specifically that it was a police car. Otherwise you would get the wrong part. Ex Chevy Caprice, Ford crown Vic.... These Durango's are a joke . I won't buy them for personal use ... Wrong decision from the department. But now all cars are made to not last, so it would be a tough choice. And 50k for brand new car is not cheap in 2018..... That was an expensive purchase for a POS car...
Ford 4.6L 5.4L Modular Engine is the most produced fleet engine, and has been used extensively as a fleet vehicle, it is the proven workhorse for fleet vehicles
Here comes a push rod engine guy ...
Yes as long as the PMI is done otherwise a timing guide or actuator can destroy the engine. The solenoid on the cylinder heads is often overlooked. 👀 All the timing chains and balance shaft 🫣
@@Nobody85746 They generally still get 160-300k on the clock before even any issues like that though, and the transmissions all outlast the cars too. decently maintained, they *can* basically run forever
All manufacturers have issues here and there, some are just more significant (and frequent) than others (ie anything Stellantis, BMW etc). There is much to be said for simplicity of design, but it doesn't matter how simple it is if they cheap out on the parts going in and around and engine
I think you missed something HUGE- if this is a typical plastic component- or partially plastic component (aluminum and plastic) and say it's a water (coolant) to oil cooler- then if it leaks, it contaminates the oil thus DESTROYING the engine. This is not something to play around with. Even if not water to oil cooling, even an air cooler with plastic fitting that under pressure cracks and leaks =no oil pressure. It's NOT that it's not doing the job and not cooling enough, if not cooling causes either of the 2 above scenarios- it's game over. Stop making critical parts out of plastic exposed to heat- should be the message. This is throwaway junk designs that ends up in a scrapyard. Long gone are the days of repair and refurbishment of metal parts and reuse. This crap is actually worse for the environment- but hey, it gets good gas mileage right? All the way until it doesn't.
Stellantis is not doing very well. I wouldn't be surprised if they sell off Jeep or kill the brand.
I think that there may be companies in the Philippines that are still producing the original military Jeep from WW2.
@@Bonjour-World there is a company that stamps out vintage Jeep panels.
0 I wonder how many police were retired police are ending up buying these retired Dodges I've seen it happen here in Philadelphia they used to do a total overhaul and save those particular cars so that all their retiring and retired police could come in and do their bids on those All you had to do is work on one of his in pound lots where they put this stuff and you'd see all kinds of pandering to certain people it's a city thing to government thing it goes on an industry too and they overlook the guy that's always taking home the brooms the mops the hammers whatever that's why this world is such a indiscriminate place cuz you got people are just going to take take and then you got people that are working
Ben's watching the Lawyer Dog's back.
We got out 1st SUV 2 summers ago. I didn't know much about things like tow packages and stuff ect. I 9f course needed out and found out what the big tow package has. Bigger radiator, and a transmission cooler. I might never tow anything but knowing that I'll never not get the tow package.