What's the Most Powerful 3/8" Impact You Can Buy?
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2023
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Is the Milwaukee 2960-20 the highest torque 3/8" impact on the market, can pricer options like the Matco MCL2038HIW beat it?
Today we find out.
As always, the creator of this channel works in product development for Astro Tools, who also make impacts (air) always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool! 
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Was genuinely confused for a second if it was Friday lol. 2 videos in 1 week is awesome.
Thought the same thing!
They have been putting out 2 a week for most weeks for at least the last few months, but normally they do impact stuff Fridays and other testing other days. So we will see but frankly impact stuff always feels funner than most others for some odd reason. But hey more content I'm happy.
M12 stubby has got to be the best overall 3/8 impact for most people
You know I got it and don't love it. It can't do lug nuts, caliper bolts, or anything suspension. Besides some top end work, what do you use it for?
@@wills2262what are you working on and are you using the 4.0 or 6.0 batteries? I use mine on lug nuts often with no problem and it did not even break a sweat on some old and rusted caliper bolts on a caliper replacement I did a few months back. I bet it could struggle on semi-truck lug nuts though, and I don’t think it is what I would grab if I worked in a tire shop… For working on personal cars I love mine.
@@wills2262 they work ok for lug nuts for regular cars. I use mine for basically everything and if it doesn’t have the beans I break out my half inch high torque. Motorcycles, golf carts, sometimes driving lags or timberlocks. Very versatile
@@wills2262you must be torquing your stuff past 120 ft-lbs. I just replaced my travel trailer tires the other day. The wheels were torqued to 120 ft-lbs. My M12 3/8 stubby made quick work of the lug nuts.
@@wills2262you have to use bigger and high output batteries for M12 when compared to M18
At this point, the big cordless manufacturers have all got their youtube set for alerts whenever you put up a new video. Imagine the incredible thought and effort and expense that goes into a new model, and then having it all come down to a youtuber's unbiased, scientific assessment. In the home laboratories, there will naturally be some unconscious bias built into the testing protocols and the testing equipment chosen, so when a tool lands on your bench it really is judgment day. After watching for a couple years I am really impressed that there seem to be a couple teams of engineers / designers / visionaries who consistently put out tools that are priced reasonably yet always seem to finish in the top tiers of testing and, more importantly, gain favor in the long run with professional end users. I'm just a DIYer, but if I were to suddenly become young again and go into auto mechanics, I know what tools I'd have in my shop, thanks to this channel!
An important feature for 3/8 impacts is trigger control. I live in rust country and I use the my little 3/8 DeWalt all the time, as a screwdriver for small rusted 8mm body bolts, to small cars lug nuts occasionally. Having the control to not snap a tiny bolt is what makes small impacts so valuable
I have the 3/8 Milwaukee.. it’s definitely a beast.. rarely have to bring out my 1/2 inch high torque on day to day work at the shop
On what do you usually bring out the 1/2 inch high torque ? Suspension ? Rusty cars ?
@@miker-s7219 pretty much or breaking off a cross threaded lug nut that someone put on from a previous repair.. the 3/8 will do most suspension work with no problem even large subframe bolts.. If I could only have one it would be the mid torque..powerful..light weight.. And doesn’t eat through batteries
What's the model number of the one you have?
I also think it’s very neat that the average prosumer can use the beans on whatever they please, it’s only right.
My first thought when I saw the thumbnail was “huh, surprised he’s testing out low end Black and Decker impacts”.
I have a Makita xwt16z 3/8 impact that I had to order because the tool guys didn't even know it existed and its a beast I love it.
I think a comparison of the house brand impacts and maybe other power tools from auto parts stores would make for a cool video. DieHard from Advance, Power Torque from O'Reilly's, and Duralast from AutoZone.
Masterforce from Menards too
@@oddojaggins💯
Diehard from advance sucka
Uploads on Sunday from TTC is PROOF that I am loved! 😍
Ingersoll Rand W5133 550 ft.-lbs. of nut busting torque and 365 ft.-lbs. of MAX torque
Bauer from HF has a 3/8s too. I'm not sure how it compares but I use one around my home shop and I'm happy with the results for a 100 dollar tool.
You should test tool lights like ones that run off 18v batteries
I think you should add in a breaker-bar and rubber mallet to the mix.
You can even sing some ugga-dugga noises with your mouth to make it more 'authentic'.
The led issue is an overtemperature problem. That could be excessive heat from the hammer/anvil while blasting something rusted AF OR a bad led driver (-design) that drives 'em at too much current.
Basically premature degrading of the yellow phosporus layer leaving the UV or blue led chip partialy uncovered or thinner covered => colder white. Ultimately you'd end up with a blue or UV light output.
While I don't think it would break any records I think this is the perfect opportunity for you guys to try some Masterforce tools from Menards. They have 3/8 and 1/2 impacts, impact drivers and even lots of battery sizes. I know you don't have a Menards near you in Cali but they are in about 15 states last time I checked and the prices on all of the tools are in that ballpark of the homedepot and Lowes budget tools
We have menards near me, but I rarely venture to their store due to them advertising prices that are slightly lower than HD or Lowes, but those prices are not real. They advertise the 'after 11% rebate" price not the actual cost to purchase. And since I have to spend that rebate at menards, I've saved nothing and in many cases paid more than at the other guys.
@@crhend512 I am in full agreement with you, I was an assistant front end manager for them in Ohio for 2 years. The rebate program was very scuffed because if there was an issue I didn't really have any way to help the customer. I'm just curious how the power tools are because I don't live near one anymore
They even offer two different hydraulic impact drivers that I would like to see compared to the likes of a Milwaukee Surge or Makita Oil-Impulse driver. I'm sure they aren't as good, but would just like to see how they do in comparison.
TTC back at it again answering the important questions!
Would you guys want to test the new Dewalt swappable anvil ratchet (DCF510B)?
I have been using mine for a week or so after it showed up from Acme, would be happy to send it your way if so!
Sure, frop us an email TorqueTestChannel@gmail.com
@@TorqueTestChannel just sent that email, good timing!
If you guys had the funds, I've love to see you guys rag on Norbars electric torque wrenches, but they start at $8000.
I have a 1st gen M18 mid torque in 1/2”. I’ve got dozens of Milwaukee tools now but this was my first impact wrench. I currently have 6 impacts and it’s tied for the most useful. The other one I think is equally awesome is the 3/8” M12 stubby. The mid is the “just right” size impact for most jobs.
Those 2 lights on the Matco actually look significantly dimmer, not so much warmer. LEDs burning out already?
Woohoo, more love for the XWT16Z!
I have the Harbor Freight Hercules medium size 1/2" and like it for most of the impact work I do. I bought the 3/8" version because I have a better selection of 3/8" drive sockets. The 1/2 inch can run the bigger 1/2" drive sockets.
As far as I can tell they are both built on the same tool just one is 1/2" and the other 3/8".
I also bought the Hercules full size ultra 1/2" impact for when the medium size tool isn't enough. Having two of the 1/2" impacts on some stuck bolts where I have access to both the nut and bolt head I can put an impact on both ends.
I know there are stronger tools to own, I just like having them all use the same batteries. I started with Harbor Freight and have had good luck with them. Changing brands means another set of batteries and chargers. Those in the larger A/H ratings get expensive.
Great video thanks for sharing
i really wish you'd include more bosch stuff in these lineups, specifically when doing 12v comparisons
I have an idea for a Frankenstein torque gun. Use the motors from electric lawn mowers of different brands to make impacts. But first see how much power each lawnmower brand has.
I keep waiting for a r3eason to replace my Ryobi 262. Got it on sale for $130 in a state without sales tax. Probably my most used tool. A lot of smaller 3/8 stuff I don't even need the stubby m12 for, often I can break them loose and remove using an electric ratchet of some type, and then might as well remove them. It's why I'm so glad you do test the capabilities of those ratchet handles to failure point, because in terms of workflow max torque might not be common, but using them to break stuff free so you don't need to re jigger your extensions and sockets to get to bolt X with an impact or breaker bar is what makes them really awesome. I use my HyperTough cheasy extended one the most often believe it or not, despite having basically zero breakaway ability- the small tool size and gentle not so finger mashing lack of torque is enough to turn out most everything 8-13mm I've used it for. It is often the ONLY powered tool that fits into some spots. The bolts that hold in the bearing/hub assembly for example on my Challenger- axles weren't removable- long story that ended in buying my neighbor some more acetylene- so the spot was a super weird at an angle thing weaving between brake line, 5 control arms, CV, etc etc. Basically anything I can fit a normal 3/8 handle on, I can fit the HT. So I come up with something that just barely works, break it free if needed, and let er rip tater chip... might take 10-20 seconds of removal but hey, my hand isn't cramping or bruised. For the same reason I have ratcheting hand wrenches, I can always justify I reason to have another variety of tool. I'm trying to justify a Bosch freak at the moment because... well, I love the idea. My daily "painting" and carpentry impact is my Ryobi brushless and well let's be honest- it works fine.... But I really like the idea of driver that can do both, wish it was available in a beefier model for driving lags and larger deck screws all day. 1/4" drive just doesn't seem to be enough to be honest, they get beat up pretty bad (the chuck/bits) and the bits move around a bit more. Plus the larger diameter chuck/heavier bit means more torque transfer too no?
I bought this 3/8’s mid torque a while ago and I’ve been blown away by it. Hardly ever reach for the high torque at all.
That's good to hear, I got the mid torque in both drives, but think imma get rid of the 1/2 inch to get the new high torque.
when I think 3/8 I think compact. I like my M12 3/8 stubby, and my sons Dewalt 3/8 compact. They aren't for tire changes (although they can do them) instead they are for portability and engine work.
once again milwaukee comes through with the 3/8>1/2 inch what special sauce r they cookin with overthere, thanks ttc 👍
Bauer has one, just got it last week. It seems ok but for tough nuts I'm grabbing my xgt anyway.
I have the 1/2" mid torque pretty damn awesome I can adapt down to avoid breaking sockets
I recently bought the air 3/8 Matco gun and it rips. Seems like the exhaust is a strong suit very open pushing that high shop air pressure
Although not really a mid torque I have one single dewalt tool, a impact Dcf923b with two powerstacks 5ah. I literally don’t even use my Milwaukee 3/8 stubby anymore and barely gotta bring out the Milwaukee high torque. I was gonna buy the m18 mid torque to add to my massive fuel collection, I’m glad I didn’t. the Dcf923b is definitely powerful little guy.
What was the pice holding the battery to the Milwaukee gun couldn’t I’ve been looking for one forever
I have a 3/8 drive but I guess it’s a “sub-compact” any not really a mid torque XWT12ZB Mikita 18v that isn’t a huge power house but it has their easy off setting so it doesnt sling the nut nut into the next bay and the hi-lo setting.
Finally got one of these in 1/2 inch. Home Depot is finally starting to include these on ridiculously cheap special buys, which usually means they're about to release its replacement. Sounds about right, seeing as how it's been 4 years. I paid $70 for mine brand new after I resold the extra tools in the kit it came with. Gotta love Pro Special Buys of the Week lol.
How about a test using the battey conversation set ups and see what happens with battery and tool if the converter dose bypass a saftey issue
Some reason kobalts 3/8’s impact wasn’t included? I know it’s not considered a “pro” brand, but they do at least have an offering in an otherwise barren field. And it’s not terrible. I use it at home for some side jobs, red all the way at work. Love my m12
you can use those sockets for removing fuel filter and oil filter on international engines
I love my M18 mid torque. Perfect for Jeeps.
Snap on has a new 3/8 stubby as well, CT9038
Absolutely lovey matco midtorque
So when are you going to Frankenstein the DCF 891 I find a Anvil to fit it and go up against these two impacts that are only offered in 3/8 drive as far as mid torque platform
Have you guys ever tested what the torque difference is if you grab the socket with your hand and hold torque on the socket in direction of rotation?
I know it makes a difference because when using DTI washers a milwaukee 1" impact won't crush a 1" DTI washer but if you add torque with your hand like I said it will. I've always been curious what the actual ft lb gain is, as your taking 2 points of slack out of the impact, one between the arbor and socket and the other between the socket and nut.
oil filter sockets are 3/8 shallow i have them in metric 20mm to 38mm impact
Icons are good tools. Torque Test Channel and Project Farm put them to the tests and prove it. They're on par with tool truck brands. Yes, even Snap On
I really need a graphical representation showing the torque ranges each impact would be most useful (high and low). I don't want redundancy when purchasing my impacts, as i have other things i need to purchase. It's hard not knowing whether they have multiple speeds which might make them more or less effective at different ranges, etc.
You need to test Harbor Freight’s 3/8 impacts.
We did the hercules, same as the 1/2" in power. The Bauer is a smaller motor version of the same tool
Id like to see the snapon 3/8ths 18 volt impact on this chart.
My milwaukee 3/8 mid-torque has all but replaced my 1/2 high torque. Only problem i have is it chews through sockets 14 17 19 21 22 are constantly getting replaced, finally found true value in snap on tools 😅
I think the lack of 3/8" models for some brands is as much about model/complexity/inventory control as anything. I went 1/2" on the Milwaukee Gen2 to keep a single set of impact sockets in my DIY garage that included nice big sizes for stuff like axle nuts, and because the thing is so short that the height of 1/2" sockets are fine, even on my Mini.
It's just not logical. Why would anyone need a big, heavy, high-torque driver for 3/8"? Save $350 and throw a $4 adapter on in the rare case a high-torque 3/8 socket is required. I'd rather break a $4 adapter over a $350 anvil. I can replace an adapter faster, easier and cheaper than an anvil assy.
@@crforfreedom7407 These are mid-torque impacts, so not really big or heavy. For High Torque impacts, I get your point.
@@themessygarage Good points! Compared with my Atomic series they're massive! But I could see where someone might need more torque from time to time.
Instead of the 3/8 mid, I went for the 1/2”. I have the M12 stubby in 3/8.
@@crforfreedom7407 Since these are Mid-torques, it's more of a gray area. There are few, if any, 3/8" High Torque impacts out there. I think Mids are an answer to really tight spaces that still need some grump. The challenge is 1/2" sockets are often part of the problem since they're usually bigger/taller. That hasn't been a problem for me with the Milwaukee Mid Gen2 since the tool itself is so shallow and it has made the length of the sockets irrelevant. (Obv. true of the Stubby as well, though it isn't as powerful as the Mid).
Milwaukee pressroom watching this vid for conference day
I would love to see the comparison between sbd matco and Milwaukees m12 stubby impacts
I use the dewalt 3/8 dcf913, it’s great because it’s compact and has some torque, what I need for smaller bolts that my electric ratchet can’t handle
Same here but a 923. I don't see the need for any higher torque on a 3/8 haha
Yessir.
My 3/8 stubby has yet to fail me when it comes to my cars suspension and drivetrain components.
Might go test it out on an old tractors lugs for the fun of it rn lol
@@Meekmillanmy 923b will pull the 24mm lug nuts off my skid steer- they're torqued to 150. Just for fun I torqued a trailer ball in my vise to 250- freshly cleaned and oiled threads- and adapted the 3/8" to 1/2" to 3/4"- took about 10 seconds of hammering but it did loosen the nut (1 1/2" hex size)
After buying both the 921 and 923, I donated the 921 to a friend. If more power is needed, I clear out enough space for the 891.
Where did you get those custom large 3/8in sockets? I get tired of always losing my adapters or having to weld the adapters onto the sockets.
We literally had to have them made. So they're $400 sockets
Hikoki have their mid torque wrench in japan with a 3/4 anvil. Not available in 1/2 in Japan
would you consider doing a Dewalt power detect vs flexvolt video? basically pitting a DCD998 w/ 8Ah XR bat and DCD999 w/ 6ah or 9ah flexvolt bat against each other.
Okay
@@TorqueTestChannel in that case it makes sense to test all combinations, like all both packs on both drills
@@riba2233 Yup!
@@TorqueTestChannel nice, thanks! 🤩
I have the Milwaukee model that is used in this video and while it might be plenty strong enough it is hands down one of the most annoying impacts I have ever used due to the grip angle.
Most of the vehicles I work on have deep dish wheel's and with the Milwaukees grip angle the battery just get's in the way even when using long length impact sockets.
Using a Extension most of the times just kill the torque output so 9/10 I have to resort to a different impact gun to get the job done.
Fascinating!
Thanks
You should do a test on the EWORK 3/4” impact wrench. It claims 1500ft LBS
You should review the new Dewalt dcf510
It shows you how bad tool trucks are, when MATCO has been selling Milwaukee tools for awhile now.
DC823 is what I still use when I need a 3/8" battery powered gun. It is extremely low performance to what is out there today.
Would love to see some ingersoll rand tests against the big companies
i definitely don't have any accurate data on it. however when i worked at a dealership of which all vehicles had the same wheel lug torque spec I had the snap on full size 3/8 impact and it couldn't take off the lugs (90 ft/lbs torque spec) however when my coworker bought the brushless snap on 14.4v impact in 3/8 drive with the dual trigger it could with ease. Overall too it seemed that the 14.4v impact had way more than snap ons 3/8 full size 18v impact
Matco also recently signed a multi-million dollar deal with milwaukee, so I'd imagine that Matco branded power tools are on their way out.
they just carry both on the truck now, it wasn't a big cooperation deal
@@TorqueTestChannel Yes, but I see far less Matco branded power tools on the truck these days. Maybe it's just my particular dealer, but I feel like it's the beginning of phasing out the Matco branded line. Then again, what do I know. I'm just a lowly technician that buys overpriced tools. lol
@@dylanandersen9318 You're right. A lot more space being afforded to Red now. It is strange to see. Infinium is not discontinuing, but i can't imagine they will throw a whole bunch of $ at new models now being what's stocked on the truck.
6:12 great info
I have rarely needed more power on a 3/8 socket than my dcf923 with a Powerstack.
You should do butterfly impacts!!!
Can you guys test the milwaukee 3/8mid vs the milwaukee 1/2 stuby. Im having a hard time deciding between the 2
Or instead get a 1/2” mid and the 3/8” stubby.
I use a kobalt 3/8ths all the time, they dont offer a xtr model sadly. It isnt terrible though as most of the time i use it for top of engine quick removing stuff and like how it isnt that powerful. those 10mm bolts wouldnt handle a high torque impact hammering away at them lol. it can remove lugs but really isnt meant for it, thats when the bigger boy comes out .
I have the Bauer 3/8. Would love to see how it stacks up.
I originally started buying the Milwaukee M12 tools so I have their stubby 3/8 model and it's great. But once I saw that I had to invest in various chargers to own both tool lines I ended up switching to the HF Hercules stuff. One dual battery charger that takes both 12v & 20v batteries plus it has two USB ports on the front for charging devices in the process. So it ended up snowballing into a fairly decent collection of power tools from there. Every time I find a deal for Hercules batteries that someone has returned or exchanged for something else I buy them at a discount, it's stupid not to IMO. Some of the older tools may not be as good as the current competition but they have their place and so far I have been pleased with all of them. :)
As a Canadian it would be great to see some Canadian house brands like MasterCraft and powerfist
Yall need to test the Snap On MG325
Man, I was about to send you my Matco 3/8.
I'd love to see you test the new earthquake XT ultra torque against the Thor.
My impact wrench are always at full bean so the no speed setting is not a big deal
Can you test the metabo ssw 1750
I bought a craftsman v20 3/8” impact and I’m not thrilled with it. I already have the 1/2” which actually has beans so I was expecting more
i wonder how my old Dewalt 18-volt 1/2 impact would do in your tests compared to all these new tools.
Ingersoll rand W5133?
I'm not sure it's relevant, or been tested. But I recently purchased the new high performance Mac 3/8" impact. I believe they say it's 700ft lbs breakaway? Not sure if it does anywhere near that, but I will say it's quite the fast hitting monster
The led on my matco have stopped working and been warrantied 3 times. They currently do not work. Otherwise i do like the impact.
My matco truck has started selling and heavily peddling the Milwaukee tools and discontinued some of their 16v An all of their 12v seems like they’re trying to go away from infinity tools I ordered an infinum sealed head 3/8 electric ratchet in the beginning of June and it won’t be here till late October but they would sell me a Milwaukee ratchet for 300 somn dollars no battery that day
I HAVE A 3/8 TORQUE RIGID COMPACT SHES GOT BALLS
Seesii has a 3/8 compact.
Just want the New MILWAUKEE M18 POUCH CELLS BATTERIES HOPEFULLY they come out by YEARS END
Surprised the Mac MPF990381 isn’t here.
Nice
Gotta ask where's the Ingersoll Rand?
Im only a beleiver in snap on in their: torque wrench, some pliers including a pipe wrench, ratcheting screw driver and thats it. I cannot justify spending more on bulk wrenches when the competition is better and cheaper
I wish there were more mid torque 3/8 impacts. I bought a set of 3/8 sockets to use with my ryobi impact driver for the occasional nut I have to deal with. Its rated at 150 ftlbs, and their 3/8 wrenches are rated for 160 and 220. Which yeah is 50% more but I just don't feel its worth it for how rare I would run into something that those wrenches can do that my driver wont. If they made something in the range of 3-400+ ftlbs I would happily buy it. But if I'm gonna spend the money on a half inch set of sockets, I'm also gonna buy the biggest half inch they make for no good reason and probably break stuff
Check out the Dewalt DCF923, it is not a mid torque but it is rated 450 ft-lbs loosening torque. I have the 1/2 version and I am very happy with it due to it's compact size yet powerful.
@@JT-lq4yd you see the thing about DeWalt though is that it doesn't work with the 9 batteries I already have. If I was gonna spend DeWalt money and have to pay for different batteries I would just instead get the Ryobi pbl whatever high torque and half inch sockets
@@Rararawr If you already have the batteries then it may make sense, but sometimes there are good deals where it doesn't. For example, currently, there is a sale at HD for the model I own, comes with a 4 and 6 ah batteries, charger and bag for $299, AND, you can get a free tool of your choice. The free tool can be another 1/2 impact wrench. So, Dewalt prices are sometimes better than cheaper alternatives. All my power tools have been acquired deeply discounted or free with the purchase of a starter battery kit.
The Mac truck sells all the good Dewalts 👌
“Stuck on 3 bars”
When was the last time you cycled those 12.0s completely? I had this issue on lithium jump starter packs. Try putting them in a fan or a light that you can leave on for hours and running them down til they’re dead and recharging them, do that cycle a couple times and see if it gets back to 4 bars. Seems like some BMS boards stop charging when the highest cell reaches ~4.2V and recharging often at 3 or 4 bars doesn’t give the cells a chance to really balance
Generally I would say cycling is not needed for Lithium like Ni-cd or Ni-mh but your suggestion would make sense since there could be some cells at a significantly different state of charge with there being so many. I will posit though that my 9AH Ridgid Octane has a similar issue. It will only charge on my oldest li-on capable charger and even then it will code out occasionally. It may just be that TTI sucks at large capacity BMS.
usually packs balance at the top, but it is possible for the BMS to be configured to balance at the bottom as well. The balance charging happens independently of the main bulk charge, so any BMS worth a damn will always stop the charge once a cell hits 4.2, but it should then either trickle charge the remaining cells, or discharge the 4.2v cells to balance them.
rofl, you should never have to do this if the pack is properly managed. they are designed poorly and that's it.
It’s all how the BMS works. I don’t doubt that the BMS in the Chinese $50 jumper bricks aren’t a great design. It even mentions discharging it completely in the manual if you’re only getting a charge to 3 bars.
However, think how this channel uses the batteries. It’s much like a jumper pack. If they’re only using the 12.0 once every couple months, they recharge it to 100%, and then do a 10-15 second high discharge event before throwing it back on the charger. Just like most people’s jumper packs. That high current could be dropping one slightly weaker cell down quite fast, and then slapping it back on the charger to go from 97% to 100% doesn’t give the BMS enough time to bring the weak cell back up to 4.2. I don’t think the balancing wires are doing more than a some milliamps to bring the cells even again, so it will probably take a couple full cycles and hour charges to get them back even.
Could be a bricked cell too. Not like these dudes are easy on the batteries and there’s 15 cells in that pack. Could always rip the pack open and stick a meter and power supply on there.
@@michaeltexas1776 no way it is a bricked cell, and keeping it on the charger for long doesn't help. BMS is just poorly programmed
Im surprised that there's no comment or shout out to Jersey discount tools
the matco cordless tools look very cheap to me or at least not as well refined as other brands
Went to my live TTC chart and the Matco isn’t on the list. How come?
We just hit refresh and it popped back up
I really want to see ryobi's high end torque wrench with the brand new HP 12ah amp battery that they claim has 2700 cells