The Unanswered Questions for TBC Classic
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- The final discussion for the time being - covering some very important areas that Blizzard could yet innovate or potentially make mistakes with. Hope it gives you a whip tickle PeepoSmile.
0:00 - Intro
0:41 - Question 1 + Degenerate Succubus Meme
1:51 - Question 2 (The Big One)
6:00 - Question 3
7:51 - Question 4
10:55 - Outro 
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Great vid.
No longer dealing crushing blows on hydross was specifically to help balance the different tanks ability to handle the encounter. Prior to the change pretty much required 2 warrior tanks, afterward it could be tanked by druids or even paladins. You can't block elemental attacks so paladins couldn't become crush immune which allows paladins the ability to tank bosses like prince or illidan effectively despite lower mitigation, and armor has no effect on elemental attacks so bears had no damage reduction also, therefore the only viable tanks for the encounter were warriors rotating cooldowns and of course the innate damage reduction provided by defensive stance making them the preferred elemental tank. The back and forth nature of the encounter further favored the warrior tank (cooldown heavy since you're only tanking the boss half the time). After the nerf it was still BEST if you had 2 prot warrior tanks, but it wasn't REQUIRED (our guild switched to 1 warrior main tank, 1 druid maintank, 1 druid offtank, and 1 paladin offhealer/aoe tank roughly around this time)
I see, thanks for the information, so it kinda was accessibility focused? But also kinda bends into 'tuning' because the ideal design wouldn't force 2 prot warriors. Very difficult to determine what 'original tuning' will mean for sure.
@@KnotxD Yea, just to be clear I'm only offering the perspective of a raider at the time, I'm not a developer or anything and we can only guess at their INTENT. But the practical application of it was prior to the change EVERY guild was using 2 warriors, afterward some guilds started running a more mixed comp, such as a warrior and druid tanking the boss in respective mitigation and then a paladin to pick up adds wearing a mix of both.
The devs said that the beta is there in part to see what the community wants. Keep making these videos, and anyone in the beta (or otherwise), let Blizzard know what you want and what you don't.
What do you think about idea of dualspec in tbc? I know it's controversial and would be huge change but it's worth it in my opinion
Hella worth it, as a healer your end game experience is basically useless unless you’re in a dungeon or raid.
@@IIMoonz not just healers. tanks and dpsers too. Would help a lot to find tank/healer for heroics later on for sure.. But i would say even for pvp and pve content, would be welcomed, if i wouldnt need to retalent for my pve specc for every raid, and goes back to pvp talent later on..
I really hope they just make BL as it is on retail. Raid wide with sated so you bring 3 shamans instead of 5 and hopefully get some more spec variaty in the raids. Maybe bring a rogue instead :D
Hellsongs Warscream worked on horde players IN NAGRAND ONLY. During TBC if a player had the buff and left the zone the buff was also dispelled. As for the succubus buff: it lasts for 5 minutes. How much of any raid is going to be able to have their entire raid buffed with it, get into the raid of their choice, get raid buffed, and then clear with it? The succubus buff is simply too short to matter.
Ah I didn't know that leaving Nagrand dispelled the buff. That's great news. However even with a 5min duration, people will still seek to use it for individual parsing which matters to a large portion of the player base, which then creates a generic desire or 'need' to use it at times. It definitely limits its raid wide impact but it does skew logs etc.
Fortunately it seems blizzard plan to nuke everything that can be considered a world buff according to the warcraft logs dev.
On point 2, about boss tuning, I personally hope that Blizzard *don't* explain all this in detail. Perfect knowledge has been one of the major reasons for content being easy. If the top guilds have some level on uncertainty going into the fights it'll be way more interesting.
Very good point. Now you mention it, it'd definitely be good to keep specific information concealed til we get there and I suspect with the mention of 'original tuning' that this phrase is all we will get I suspect
Don't mess with bloodlust! It's the shamans time to shine now!
Seriously though, what's the different with stacking Shamans rather than stacking mages and warriors in Classic?
I think the issue is that you want 5 for the 5 lusts in the 25 regardless. However, if you can perma-lust your hunters/locks etc, you will stack shamans even more egregiously potentially, to chain lusts all fight. That's the main issue, not really a problem with the 5 shamans, more that 7 or 8 would be gross.
I think they'll go with the final versions of the zones you mentioned. I mean, come on, no one's gonna want to make Consortium rep grind more grindy.
Very true, I legitimately hate the original Consortium grind.
@@KnotxD everyone does. Everyone
@@KnotxD whats the difference? im curious now :)
@@Jackthastyle The original grind is essentially just Mana Tombs heroic spam from Honored through to exalted. But has a 1 day lock. So it took forever. They added some repeatable quests later on that eased the grind but the basic grind was just so ass, it felt like you *had* to do mana tombs heroic everyday for so long.
With the updated quests such as with The Heap in Netherstorm, you can grind mobs for a decently long time but its achievable inside like 1-2 evenings if you have no competition. There are also slower methods like Warbeads in Nagrand that were added, but generally you just have actual options that can be done solo without a time gate following the updates.
@@KnotxD thank you :)
Give us a release date Blizzard!
Do you think there's good gold to be made from farming/buying jewelcrafting 0-300 leveling mats at selling them at launch? Or will there be an overflow of mats and cause a crash
I think there are some that are overlooked, theres a few ores that double dip as important choke points for both JC and BS. Those are the safer/reliable payoffs.
Important to note though, inflation is quite big in TBC so materials are inherently more valuable to you than gold beyond what you need for maintaining your main character initially.
@@KnotxD forgot to reply to this, my bad, so gold won’t be nearly as much of an important resource for weekly raiding as it is in classic?
@@Caboose_69 Not as much, as vanilla, no. Passive income is fairly high compared to vanilla, also there's the introduction of dailies and the lure of netherwing / sky guard mounts tempting you to bother with them which nets you around 100g per day if you're doing them.
Alongside this consumes etc aren't too expensive generally, the only real big costs would probably come early with epic flying and any crafted epics you may need for your character. With those things sorted, suddenly your outgoings reduce dramatically.
*my question is, why was Blizzard so silent about the exact release date? I was so hoping for the leak to be true (4th may), because everything else that the leak said became true*
True, I was disappointed with no release date but I suspect its probably due to working from home for game studios, and if they don't announce a date too far in advance, then they aren't disappointing people with delays on promises I guess. That's how I'd look at it from their perspective.
Because they don't even have TBC beta yet.
Remember when Blizzard's motto was "it'll release when it's ready." OP doesn't.
Where they have mentioned they are looking into Bloodlust? I'm only aware of drums they mentioned in MrGM's interview but they didn't mention lust there?
The mention of BL came from the WCL Dev whom it appears has had some contact with the TBC classic team in some capacity. Kihra also mentioned (which I missed) that they intend to nuke all world buffs, so hopefully that includes the quirky ones I've mentioned in recent videos. Emphasis was put on the 'looking into' BL though, they have not confirmed they will change it, it seems more like 'on the radar' from the comments made.
@@KnotxD I hope they do something about lust or we just swap from one tedious meta to another
One problem I'd like to see addressed in TBC is if they plan to change full premade groups queueing into pugs in battlegrounds. Because this ruined a lot of my classic wow experience by completely destroying the casual pug battleground scene by queueing into 95% premades as a pug for every bg throughout the entirety of classic vanilla. As much as blizz likes to act like they care about the casual players they clearly didnt care at all about the casual pug bg scene in classic, it blows my mind what an oversight this was as it really ruined a lot of my fun in classic as more of a casual player. I was looking forward to just messing around and having a good time in bgs but instead I was graveyard camped for 95% of my games and didnt even end up pvping much at all.
edit: I do feel like premades will not be as big a problem in TBC as vanilla because of arena, but for at least the first phase when arenas arent in the game it could still be a huge problem
I can definitely see how that alienates a huge chunk of people, though from the perspective of the premaders, it sucked too tbh. Rolling pugs wasn't fun, rolling other premades were though. So I think Arena is a huge aid to that issue, I can't see many 'tryhard' premades being made without the ranking incentive (for example, current BGs are mostly pugs, so its kinda fun aside from the absurd gear everyone has now).
At least since they reverted the Arena season thing so that Karazhan, Gruul, Magtheridon and Arena Season 1 all release same phase. It should be quite a consistent effect, though I'm sure some premades will still exist.
I want the eng goggles on day 1
Jup
Bro the engi Googles at 62 would be nutty
They could just reduce the bonus haste from drums so its in line with the benefits that other professions give.
The issue is that LW has both crafted and "in combat" bonuses, like Engineering, but much better crafted gear AND better "in combat" effect.
LW should be in line with BS, Tailoring, Enchanting and JC who only give crafted/stat benefits.
Because of Drums LW is as good as two professions in one (if you can use Leather/Mail armor) then it’s always going to be OP, but the Drums nerf should be so big that no cloth or plate class should want to be LW because of the Drums. Or in other words; drums should be a small flavor boost to LW, not a reason to go LW in itself.
The Sated debuff for drums and Bloodlust is easily the best and the most simple fix to sweatiness. But also, groups lock in raids should be another good fix for all kind of other shenanigans.
I wouldn't want to lock groups in raids, as that would just piss people off. So "Sated" debuff is the best option.
A bit of a different one but mounts at level 30 were put in on the last patch of TBC. Should they be in at launch? I don't think they should, people who played tbc probably thought that change came in wotlk it came so late in TBC. it also changes the 39 twink meta. But I can imagine QOL changes being pushed and it not mattering if there is now boosts in the game.
The last patch of an expansion is always a prepatch for the next expansion. If I understand you correctly you don’t mean that it came in the WotLK prepatch.
@@LaureTheGamer it came in 2.4.3
Will Recruit a Friend be in TBC Classic?
If I recall (feel free to correct me as I haven't checked explicitly) RAF came in late TBC? If so, I suspect we may get it at some point.
RaF was a real-world marketing strategy, separate of actual in-game content. There's no reason to bring it back.
OK if you want my opinion They said it's going to be 2.43 Items and spells I don't know where you miss that.
If you want my opinion on the tunein it's this I would say If it was 40 days until the world 2nd kill.
I say tune it after that because obviously the world 1st kill was an exploit.
If it were my judgment as far as the ads go I would say I think blizzard's initial intent was The 100000 health instead of the 300000 health.
I would say that wasn't the initial design intent as far as the crushing blows OK of its being killed by Gills on average Keep it in.
Because here's the thing Pleasure I can always make balance adjustments as needed.
Because they did say they were going to More involved As far as #SomeChanges.
I think of a boss is unkillable because of bugs yeah Obviously that's a badd thing so as far as a rap catch up I think the reputation stuff they all should be the way they were and 2.43
I think badges should drop from Kara X cetera.
And as hard as it is for reputation and as much as reputation is based around the burning crusade I mean come on burning crusade is called the reputation of the crusade for a reason.
So I say as far as a reputation for it makes nether storm worse going to yeah that's fine with me.
Give us dual spec or give us death.
Imo, gear and areas that were tweaked post launch as catchup gear/rep farms, need to be released in a phase that corresponds with when they were introduced in the game. This was also how a lot of items were introduced in later phases of classic, so i think it is the route that the dev team will most likely take.
I'm not saying you're wrong or that I disagree, but you have to remember that TBC was a few months late and they were scrambling to get it out the door. Some of those changes could easily have been because in their rush they realized they didn't add something much needed at release (like viable ways to get Consortium Rep for example), so I don't think it's necessarily was easy as just "that stuff needs to come later" if we want to understand the intent of the changes.
As great as it was, there were a lot of oversights with TBC that weren't changed until later that moving those changes up doesn't hurt the overall game (like Drums being "fixed" in the WotLK pre-patch since they weren't really abused until later in the expansion). Gear might be different, like the Goggles, but if you remember in Classic a lot of gear from later patches (and gear updates) were added at launch with Classic and I doubt it really hurt the game that much...post nerf bosses did that on their own. ;)
i feel like we should get the beefed up original versions of raids and just play by ear with the nerfs i feel like if they nerfed it in phase 5 and 6 just like they did before is fine and i think it would be cool to challenge the classic community to a more hardcore version of the game since we come with so much knowledge
nerf the world buffs even the clever hidden ones
add sated for BL and drums but not group swapping since with 25 mans u can have 2 melee groups and just 1 warrior so you swap the warrior for his shout in each group , also when theres a very slow wipe it sometime helps to put people into the same groups for people to focus
i feel like catch up mechanics should be 1 phase behind non of the items you showed are needed or hindered by being released a lil late
i feel like the proffesion items ashould all be put back to phase 2 i know this is an unpopular opinion but i think the shadow/frost and the spell/fire sets should be released later than kara and heroics seeing as it just becomes bis until you get like tier 5 or 6
my opinions come from playing classic wow and private servers for the past 4 years and i havent taken a break or quit durring that time and my hardcore classic raiding guild is headed into TBC together and i plan to raid even more hardcore
Good points once again. I'm still concerned about the economy. I recently saw a vid where they did the math on straight up gold buying vs. boosting to lvl 58 with new accounts and abusing professions. For those interested: ruclips.net/video/ZV4inTXcAK8/видео.html
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Sated for lust and drums from 5% party to 10% self buff
Wouldn't that just make meta guilds require 25/25 LW? I think that change just makes the problem even worse even if it wouldn't have the same percentage of uptime.
God no, that would make the problem even worse. People would be benched for not having LW in favour of those who do.
A simple "Sated" debuff would be the easiest, most hassle-free solution. They could even make it 2 separate debuffs to allow BL and drums stacking as they do now if they wanted.
If its a self buff then it's still a nerf
As someone who specifically leveled a shaman for TBC, I'd really be bummed if they added the sated debuff. It seems like a major change if they go that road.
For sure it would be, though you'd still want the 5 shamans right, not sure it'd be a huge impact on how desired/useful you are outside of the egregious potential of 7-8 shamans that could be a thing without a way to prevent mid-combat swaps.
@@KnotxD I'm mostly concerned as a future enhancement shaman. With there being 2-3 folks in my guild wanting to go elemental and a couple more resto, I just don't want to be benched for yet another warlock or hunter.
@@calelaquidara8698 Well, fortunately Enhance is likely to be 2 of the 5 shamans in the 'perfect' scenario. 1 for the hunter group and 1 for the melee group. I don't think you have much to worry! Embrace your supermodel-like desirability in TBC :D
I don't think content should be tuned to what is competitive for world first guilds, the most important thing is fun not stroking the Epeen of 1% of players
I agree, some challenge should exist to my mind but it should also be very accessible. It's a remastered and ultimately solved game, if poeple wish to have supreme challenge, then they should look to retail or some other game I guess.
Make drums raid-wide. That way the people who love it get what they want, and the people who want to be free to chose their own profs can be happy too.
Making bloodlust/hero a raid wide buff with a sated debuff wouldn't be so bad, would stop the meta of stacking shamans. Would make more room for my fury war lolz.
Interesting, do you think that windfury/totem of wrath/manatide wouldn't be enough to justify 1 shaman per group? Part of me feels like even with raidwide Lust + Sated, we'd still want 4-5 shamans, but just feelycraft from my part.
@@KnotxD True, a lot of the good guilds would prob still run 4+ shamans, hopefully a raid wide buff would discourage more casual guilds thinking that they have to have 4-5 shamans though. I do think a sated is a must in general.
@@peppin2143 i would go with sated but with shorter duration. Maybe something like 4/5min? Not 10min like bl cd
@@KnotxD totem of wrath is amazing... manatide also amazing in long drawn out fights .... honestly depending on who shows up to the raid its more or less dependent on the raid leader to figure out best setup......
i remember having to check our logs and go back and figure out what worked best in certain situations... will say working with the 3 hunters in the guild to make a stacked hunter group was pretty entertaining in sunwell, 1 bm, 1 surv, 1 marks, enhance shammy, feral druid... that was ridiculous good at that gear stage for boosting all dps
Overtuned is better than undertuned raids!
Let it be omega difficult, i hope we go weeks without an end boss kill. Then nerf them after..
No, thanks. Private servers can do that, but it would not work on Blizz servers. People would not be paying a sub to play content that can't be cleared.
@@MrSardoc1 narh. People like challenge as classic naxx shows. Not nerfed to ground raids like bwl.. if you want free epics play retail.
@@maapaa2010 There's a difference between a challenge and content that cannot be cleared for months. One gives people satisfaction, the other makes them quit. Naxx is the former, not the latter.
Also. "Play retail" seems to be the go-to phrase when someone doesn't have an argument.
@@MrSardoc1 xD haha. I dont want to argue so lets both just accept eachothers feelings :)