Watch Live: Pike County Massacre Trial - OH v. George Wagner IV - Day 45
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2022
- George Wagner, IV is standing trial for the April 2016 murders of eight members of the Rhoden and Gilley families. Wagner IV faces 22 counts including eight counts of aggravated murder with death penalty specifications, aggravated burglary, conspiracy, tampering with evidence and forgery.
Wagner’s brother, Edward “Jake” Wagner, and his mother, Angela Wagner, have already pleaded guilty to taking part in the conspiracy to murder the eight Rhoden and Gilley family members over their desire to obtain full custody of the then two-year-old daughter Jake shared with victim Hanna May Rhoden. Angela and Jake Wagner have agreed to testify against their family members.
George “Billy” Wagner, the father of Jake and George, faces the same 22 counts.
On the morning of April 22, 2016, family members found Chris Rhoden, Sr., 40, and his cousin, Gary Rhoden, 38, dead in Chris’ mobile home on Union Hill Rd. Chris Sr.’s ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden, 37, and their children, Hanna May Rhoden, 19, and Chris Rhoden Jr., 16, were found shot in the head in their sleep in their mobile home down the road. Hanna May had given birth days earlier to a baby girl who was not harmed. Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden, 20 and his fiancee, Hannah "Hazel" Gilley, 20, were also found shot to death in their sleep. Their six-month-old son was in between them covered in blood but unharmed. Frankie’s four-year-old son was unharmed in the home as well.
Kenneth Rhoden, 44, was found shot once in the eye in his camper on Left Fork Rd. more than seven miles away.
Angela Wagner’s mother, Rita Newcomb, pleaded guilty in 2019 to a misdemeanor count of obstruction. She had been charged with forgery and obstruction of justice for lying about signing and notarizing custody documents related to Hanna May, Jake and George’s children. Newcomb has agreed to testify against her family members.
Billy Wagner’s mother, Fredericka Wagner, was initially charged with obstruction of justice and forgery for allegedly lying about purchasing a bullet-resistant vest for Billy. The charges were dropped after it was discovered a plate in the vest was manufactured after the homicides. Prosecutors have said they may refile the charges at a later date. Fredericka has been subpoenaed to testify.
The victims:
Christopher Rhoden Sr., 40
his ex-wife Dana Manley Rhoden, 38,
their children Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16, Hanna May Rhoden, 19, and Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden, 20,
Christopher Sr.’s cousin Gary Rhoden, 38,
Sr.’s brother Kenneth Rhoden, 44,
and Frankie’s fiancée Hannah “Hazel” Gilley, 20
The Wagners did it so they could get custody of the young daughter Jake had with his ex Hanna Rhoden, prosecutors said. Jake indeed won sole custody of the child, now 8, after the murders. The Wagners moved to Alaska. That all changed after authorities arrested them in November 2018, sparking a legal battle lasting almost four years.
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Can she write any louder?????
I am not sure what the prosecutor proved with her questions? All I heard was her scratching off her question and her getting frustrated because he wasn’t giving her the answers she wanted. She is not a great prosecutor. If anything she put doubt that he was involved.
Exactly
#1. Guilty of conspiring
#2. Why are these parents letting their young kids shack up together at ages as young as 13 years old!!! Thats ridiculous
Mrs Rhoden was 16-17 when she got pregnant with mr Rhoden. I saw their ages and the kids'. That's how. They don't break the unhealthy cycles. Sad. May they rest in peace soon, after billy is sentenced!!
It would seem that the Defendant is mentally sharper than the Lead Prosecutor.
The magnitude of all the crimes they were involved in is mind blowing! I never knew some of these things existed.
I feel for Tabby, Hanna May and Beth. Hanna May paid the ultimate price as well as her family.
This Prosecutor burned all investigators effort and everything they did last almost 3 years collecting evidences and a lots lots tax payers money she really have to step down from this job and not to try any more . I m sure if other trashy killers Jake and his mother didn't say anything with this prosecute they could go free. I think after watching last night they regret what they did.
@@sholehmahootian986 What?
I did. Talked to lots of people in college and after college who were just as scandalous as the Wagners. It's a whole different world in rural America.
@@melistasy so confusing.
I’m honestly impressed with how well George did on the stand. I think it was a good move… the jury had to have those tape recordings balanced out, to hear another side of him when he isn’t screaming like a banshee. He’s quick with his answers.
I agree. I was very surprised how well he did.
He's had years to prepare for this.
I wasn't impressed at all. His story doesn't make sense. Canepa brought out example after example of how his story doesn't make sense. He said one thing before getting arrested and something different afterwards. He has had years to come up with these responses.
He has learned to lie all his life. He is now using that to his benefit. On the cross you can tell he’s full of poop
@@missmelody6185 agree! He changed his theory to fit his narrative. It astounds me people believe him now. He is literally changing everything he said from 2017. Doesnt take a rocket scienctist to figure out why he would do that🤯🤯
There's a big difference between "Not Guilty" and Innocent
Right, All he is looking for is Now is a NOT Guilty!!
AMEN
This is most likely one of the most high profile capital murder cases in OH history and this prosecutor was the only one available? She was clearly outmatched on the stand by a serial liar who is not intimidated by the law and probably is more well versed in the law than she is. She needed to think like a liar in her cross examination questions to impeach the testimony of a professional liar. He performed well on the stand because he was born and raised by criminals who were manipulative liars so he learned from the best. He always had to have an answer to everything for law enforcement so he is a pro. The prosecutor underestimated this and hope it does not cost her a hung jury.
George’s choice to testify has proven a wise one. He’s been cool & measured as Canepa unravels.
Shes angry but hes lying thru his teeth. His testimony contradicts EVERYONE that took the stand. So if the jury is to believe just him. But NOT everyone else plus all the other evidence. Its not happening.
@@denisehoose5162 there is PLENTY of reasonable doubt
@@OHiYoCHIC there absolutely is.
@Gemma Oliver I didn’t see that one time. He kept cool as a cucumber imo
@@OHiYoCHIC do you think it’ll be hung jury , and have to come back for trial? (Mistrial with prejudice)
For the ppl saying they believe him. People like this family can lie without missing a beat.
This! Hes a scam and knows how to lie. He was raised that way!!
@@denisehoose5162 exactly
@@denisehoose5162 second nature
That's our justice system, don't hate the player, hate the game...George should walk.
That may be the case but all he needs to do is put the doubt in one persons mind and he could’ve quite possibly done that. I even have a tiny doubt, but his testimony contradicts every single persons that has been on the stand.
Beth was much better witness. George is not using his high pitched voice during testimony. This is a grown a$$ man that lived with his brother and mom his entire life. There is no way he didn't know about the planning, being compliant, at the murder scenes, accessory after the fact and now perjury. He is angry with his mother and brother for testifying against him. You do not have to be the shooter to be guilty of the murders.
Ever consider he may be autistic? He seems to have the qualities of an autistic adult who was never diagnosed as a child.
Its the prosecutions burden to prove guilt, and she failed miserably at that. The fact is they have no physical evidence directly linking george. It's all circumstantial & the testimony from 2 proven liars lol.
He did a great job testifying & outwitted prosecutor
What a family. The fact that they actually thought they could wipe out an entire family and not get caught is perplexing. All should get death. They were all involved. Too bad they were given an opportunity to have the death penalty removed.
Unfortunately to possibly get George they had to offer incentives to Jake and Angela.
That’s how our legal system works. Rarely does a case even go to trial, they give them deals to plead out. “If” George is guilty, he will spend the rest of his life in prison just like them, and have to think about 8 victims every single day until he dies. Imo that’s worse than a quick death.
Sad part is, had Jake not confessed and everyone else kept their mouths shut, I don’t know if they would have been able to charge them. Police have to have a lot of evidence before they take it to the DA to prosecute. A lot of it would have been circumstantial evidence really. A lot of the info they did get came from Jake.
And the right to due process means nothing to you does it? At least hold off on that comment until the end of trial.
What if that was your boy or your brother or your daddy wouldn't you give him the benefit of the doubt
She couldn’t break him and her questions were a waste.
Agreed
I thought she did a great job. She exposed countless times where his story changed. So much of what he is claiming doesn't make sense.
@@jmc8626 because he was raised a scammer. Every ither testimony disputed his changed narrative. This is a joke.
Agreed
@@missmelody6185 well I’m sure it’s hard going through every single second of your life for the last 8 years. I couldn’t tell you 5% of what I’ve done the last 8 years.
George is a very strong witness. They had the wrong prosecutor question him. She was flustered often because she was not prepared for his answers. The state over reached on this case against this defendant big time. That prosecutor has displayed little fits throughout this trial and either needs to be retrained or fired.
Should have had Wilson cross
Agree!!!
@@amywilkins543 🎯
Agree--defendant is a strong witness. Defense did well in calling him to testify in his own defense.
Can't believe how lame this prosecutor is.
Not a fan of Canepa’s snide comments on cross. If you’re making good points, they stand on their own & you don’t need all of the snark
Seems she’s frustrated because right now, she’s losing this case.
I don’t think she’s a very good attorney. So slow with questions and obviously getting frustrated at how evasive he is. Not impressed.
@@beyondthebough agreed. Seems like the state regrets making a deal with the devil and is now trying to have the trial with George that they wish they could have against Jake and Angela
Kaneppa was a mistake as lead prosecutor. I’m sure she’s a good person, but not a good attorney for a case of this magnitude. I also agree this entire trial indictes JW and AW, NOT George. Shaking my head.
@@sww3405 The constant scribbling is annoying also. She’s so unprepared!
The wire taps are very damning against George. He was certainly old enough to get his own job and move out of the family ( unit ) house. He has been well coached by his defense. You would have to believe everyone else lied and the wire taps were fake to buy his story. There are also contradictions in his testimony.
The fact that so many believe him is frankly unsettling
@@HandbagDiva just wait for the border interrogations. George opened the door to bringing them in.
@@HandbagDiva exactly. Just because someone comes across as credible, does not mean they are not lying
Exactly, his new storyline contradicts his previous story. A few times he had to contain himself as his voice was rising and he started to talk fast. He was told to stay calm but his testimony didn't help him, too many contradictions.
@@HandbagDiva hear, hear!
It’s just like come on dude… the whole family knew when each other breathed but he didn’t know about the biggest thing to happen in their lives… and it’s never talked about again 🙄 I feel bad for the family watching this man plead for his life and freedom when he was connected to an 8 person murder. It’s beyond disturbing… He doesn’t mention confronting his family about the murders if he didn’t know about them with all the press the family was getting. And if he really didn’t like being around his family and saw what everyone was saying about them “possibly” committing the murders why wouldn’t be separate himself from his family before moving to Alaska.. It’s honestly a slap in the face to the victims and anyone who thinks he did a good job on the stand is delusional!! He is fighting for his freedom and has had years to get this down pat. It’s literally the most rehearsed sounding testimony. Sorry for the rant but 8 people lost their lives and an entire family was taken. I can’t imagine the pain the grandmother is feeling who has been at the trial almost the entire time.
Totally agree with you. I too don’t believe George lived in that house and had NO idea of the discussions to murder 8 ppl. It would be impossible IMO arrange and discuss plans without George catching on. They each lived in each other’s pockets.🇦🇺🇦🇺
If that all was rehearsed by George, then this prosecutor should have rehearsed too. I think she underestimated George & the defense & now he's going to walk. 🤷♂️
@@garthmassie8363 exactly!!!! Prosecuting has not made a very strong case. Even though he most likely was involved I question it slightly. And that is all they need is one juror to question it. He might just have a chance because Canepa was the wrong person for this job
Not delusional at all, the prosecutor is the worst I have ever seen.
I lost count of how many lies she got him to admit to lying. She did her job. Liking her is irrelevant.
Great answer "They should have death given to them."
I’m not sure how the jury may view his former life of crime. They may think, “May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.” As he says, that’s the way he was raised. I’d love to do this family’s genealogy to find out when this all started.
Their genealogy has to be real llllllll bad. I havd read so many horror stories from ppl doing their trees and finding out all sorts of horrific mess from their distant relatives. But none LIKE AN 8 PERSON FAMILY MURDERED BY ANOTHER FAM 🤯🤯🤯
Canepa? You blew it. Worst cross I’ve ever seen from a prosecutor. Did your ego not let you hand this one off to a colleague? Did you not prepare or just forgot the facts of the case? Jesus, you were awful. If he walks? It’s on you.
@Gemma Oliver But NO lies related to the murders.
My observation is that the prosecution was either not expecting George to testify, not expecting him to do as well as he did on the stand, or both. Now that both of those expectations have been proven wrong, I imagine the prosecution is starting to panic and get a bit flustered, which would explain why the female prosecutor seems to be getting more and more frustrated as she cross examines him.
Admittedly though, the aformentioned expectations of the prosecution were also my own. I was expecting George to avoid taking the stand like the plague, and I certainly wasn't expecting him to be so convincing and hold up so well on cross.
@@bobbypowell2 Maybe. But I also feel like she's expecting George to lose his composure more or say more incriminating things. It just seems like this was a battle that she didn't arm herself for properly.
Agree with your post
I agree!
Prosecuted questions answers with an "I dont recall" and defense questions answered with a strong yes or no. Sign off dishonest answers.
Why haven’t we heard the border crossing interviews with George or Jake or Billy, we only heard the one from Angela? This prosecutor is WAY over her head! The male prosecutor should have cross examined him. I don’t believe a word he is saying but she didn’t have the skill to cross examine him.
Agreed!
Because that would be George testifying without cross examination.
None of the ‘experts’ were able to point that George DNA or other evidence were at the crime scene. The Prosecution IMO have not been able to show without a shadow of doubt that George was a participant; or had knowledge before, during or after the crime. I feel that Jake & Angela should of been on the stand with the husband, George could of done better for the Prosecution against his family, especially once he found out what they did. Now we’ll have to wait & see what the Jury says.
That’s probably how we lost our catalytic converter 😂
No $hit! These people were opportunists, and they sound like they never missed a chance to make a dollar! Nothing was safe. You’d have to mail everything down to keep it safe.
Strong witness. Prosecutor was outmatched. Couldn't shake him at all.
The male prosecutor SHOULD'VE questioned George! This female BETTER BE CAREFUL of what she's asking.... George is coming off VERY CREDIBLE!
They lived together because of the kids. They helped pay the bills together because Angela didn't work outside the home and probably not much on the inside of the home either from a picture I saw online. They probably used whatever credit card or cash they had on hand. Stealing wouldn't exactly be steady income. Just because they did this doesn't prove anything. Two murders as witnesses aren't even believable. They both admitted to being liars. Jake takes out things and adds in things? What the heck does that mean? He makes it up as he goes along basically. Whatever fits what he wants. Con artist. He would say anything to keep from dying, but it didn't matter to him that his victims died a brutal death. Two of them saw it coming for a few seconds. Their last two seconds on earth was seeing him come at them. He and Angela should get the death penalty without question.
He actually did a good job on the stand. I was surprised. Being raised to learn criminality though, he also probably learned how to lie very well.
George has now opened the door for the interrogation tapes. Canepa is addressing the discrepancies.
This is the worst prosecutor I’ve even seen in such a horrific massacre. I’m just catching up on the trial. But if I was a juror I would definitely have reasonable doubt with this particular person. WOW
Weak prosecutor....she had so.much evidence she should have plowed him under.....just weak.
True. She could have stuck to the murders - why did she go on and on about the other petty stuff.
Clearly, this prosecutor believes him to be guilty but she has such an attitude in the way she’s treating him on the stand.
Wow, that prosecutor got NOTHING!!!
I respect him for getting on the stand. I just hope the truth comes out. If he is guilty then so be it, if not I hope he gets his fair trial. I'm glad I'm not the jury!
It’s amazing how this guy has an answer for everything and everybody’s a liar but him but he is a thief and a liar
He is a thief and a liar but is he involved in conspiracy and cover up of murder. Those are the questions.
@@bobbypowell2 I would say Absolutely Yes for the involvement
They might have kept G out of the loop b/c knew he wouldn't go along with the plan.
Weak prosecution..never seen anything like this before
Horrible Prosecutor job she is not strong for this kind of Cross exam she should only do family court.
Many of his responses are clearly rehearsed - as would be expected. I'm sure his attorney's rehearsed his testimony extensively. His mother testified he was involved and his brother testified he was involved. He was involved 100%. He may not have shot anyone but he was involved in planning and coverup.
And those tapes show he was involved and knew everything that happened. His reactions to BethAnn, stating he had a good life until Jake dragged him into his mess, and always calling his mother to complain. He's lying on the stand and isn't a very good one!!
Of course they did.. it took the death penalty off the table for both of them but not George
He was taught from a young age to do what mum told him.
Jurors like DNA at crime scenes. There's enough reasonable doubt here to find GW not guilty. His decision to testify was his only option and he did very well. The prosecutor failed to prove the state's case. Jake, Billy and that hag of a mother all deserve the worst of this.
in my opinion, the prosecutor is terrible. She got worked today.
This prosecutor was so catty and unprofessional… Unbelievable that she could actually make this defendant seem more honest and forthright than her despite his life of mind-bending lawlessness.
I find comments on here complaining about Canepa that seem to be directed at her because she is a woman.
@@sheba530 Absolutely! Catty?! No one would call a male DA ‘catty and unprofessional’ when they get aggressive with a defendant on trial for the murder of eight people. It’s called doing their job.
I don’t agree at all that it’s because she’s a woman. I am all for supporting women, but she is disorganized and when she makes a point, she moves on to something completely unrelated and it is very frustrating. Plus she walks all over the place like an office temp collating photocopies.
@@bridgetives359 lol! I would definitely call a DA named Tom catty if he was catty. (Oops, turns out that “Tom” is the prototypical cat…)
You aren’t “for” women just because you harbor hatred and vitriol for men.
@@sheba530 So you literally believe that a female cannot be incompetent? Solid reasoning.
Without fail, there's always someone in the audience dying of consumption 😅
😂
Everybody has that around here now.
lol!
OMG!! (Snickers)
The sound system already is iffy- then you have that.
He sounded credible and she took the testimony from Jake and Angela as the truth.
He doesnt. His testimony contradicts literally everyone elses. So you choose to believe the accused despite countless other witnesses?? You guys are killing me. Im happy you arent on the jury whew!
@@denisehoose5162 at the end of the day, he still didn’t kill anyone. If he had tried to stop them, I’m sure they’d turn on him so that Angela kept custody of his son.
He was lying through his teeth. Sounds credible bc he's a proficient liar.
Quick question, as I've not followed the trial from beginning: what was the reason for the defendant testifying out of order (before prosecution rested their CIC?) I've only seen that in the past when a witness' availability was an issue.
Someone told me because they are trying to get in more evidence or something. Not sure why or how that works.
I believe DP was taken off the table for Jake & Angela IF they testify to the State's satisfaction. The State seems to want the entire family behind bars. The best play for the defense is to get the jury to wonder if the guilty ones would implicate George to save their own lives. I'm thinking they might. I'm sitting at reasonable doubt, and I can't believe I'm saying that. Prior to George taking the stand, I thought he was 100% guilty. Now, after listening to him directly, and thinking about the reasons why his family would say different, I'm not sure at all. George might walk.
Well said. I feel the same. I also think his credibility is enhanced by being filmed! I started thinking yesterday “oh my word, what if he’s telling the truth & is the fall guy?”
@@stefanieroe1750 What does being filmed have to do with his credibility?
@@HandbagDiva IMO he didn’t opt out the way Jake & Angela did, so I felt like he was making the statement “I have nothing to hide”. Some of the other witnesses were worried about their safety, which I would be too, but still don’t understand why JW & AW opted out.
Just sucks we couldn’t see & hear Jake and Angela. I feel certain George did Opt In because he wanted the world to see he’s telling the truth. And to get a better look at his vest 😉
@@MallyNChe is a murderer and sentenced now. Please do not have a crush on him and talk about it publicly..
90% of what the prosecutor is asking about has nothing to do with the murders. She has really done a terrible job at this cross.
What gets me is the only evidence the state had were a couple shoe prints that came back to Angela and some shaky ballistics. Idu why jake and Angela folded so easily. Also there should’ve been a change of venue. That town is way too small to get a fair trial. Honestly George did fairly well under cross. Canepa wasn’t prepared and I hate to admit but he had great explanations and comebacks
Am I the only one that thinks the Wagners got it SO easy with the prosecution they had to go against? Like when it comes to cross etc? Could you imagine if it were the team from the Waukesha trial or the parkland?? They would have been RIPPED apart!! I can not stand the woman prosecutor’s demeanor, it’s so off putting. Whiny sounding instead of powerful and confidant in their case. Having just watched the other two trials this one is so discouraging. It doesn’t have to be about the theatrics by any means but the lack of passion in this trial is killing me.
You know the children had be right in middle of it. Jake said he would go home and talk to Sophie again just to satisfy Angela. Everyone was in rabbit hole. George was raised to cheat steal and lie of course he’s doing a great job. Pants on fire
I think the prosecutor thought she was going to handle this but George did very well.
Canepa is a horrible attorney. She was so unprepared and all over the place. It’s embarrassing
She is very rude. I guess she has never heard the saying " you get more with honey than vinegar."
Canepa was a huge disappointment. The jurors have a lot of reasonable doubt. He was two days on the stand and he was composed. Canepa on the other hand was unraveled and sarcastic. It’s like the testimony of Jake was more credible than George’s. I feel George will vindicated. He only care about his son’s welfare and Jake was jealous and vindictive.
George is lying. Everyone elses testimony contradicts his. Hes toast.
He knew his family was going to murder entire family. He is guilty even if he didn’t pull a trigger.
She acts like this is her first case, straight out of the gate!
George is so composed and believable!
Would you reveal your inner family dynamics to a hostile stranger who wants to arrest you?
Heck no!!!!
It would have taken years of therapy to break down the barriers he had up all his life and confide in a stranger especially under such circumstances
I have been questioned by police over a matter I had nothing to do with. It is scary.
They’re all criminals! They stick together out there! He’s guilty and the rest of them to. The grandmother forged documents to!
After hearing everything a lot makes sense on George’s part….especially since BCSI asked him to spy for them…..
😂🤣. Funny. He knew exactly what happened. Hes schooled on lying. Hes doing a great job. The jury will see thru this.
Canepa had no comeback for George on that last question! WOW! More than reasonable doubt in my opinion.
He’s trapping himself up in every question.
He may not have shot anyone, but he was a part of the entire plot and execution He needs to rot in prison like the rest of them.
I can’t believe these comments & how many believe him
Kimberly you are so right.
I’m impressed with how forth right he was with all of his answers good or bad. My mind has been swayed some
Shame on Prosecutor she is super unprofessional ZERO skill , what she did to get this position !!!!! Blondy!!!
I think his defence MAY have proven reasonable doubt- George is a VERY good witness albeit a very coached one. There is an awful lot of circumstantial evidence showing a conspiracy also, that does add up. I'm on the fence as to which way the jury will decide, but I voted hung jury at this point. It's going to be a close call for Georgey boy, that's for sure.
Absolutely rehearsed answers. Shocking cross 😬
So its his life ON The line
To say she sounds like a high schooler would be an insult…….
to high schoolers.
She sounds like a 5 yr old.
I’m disappointed in Ohio for appointing Canepa as the lead prosecutor. She was unprepared from beginning to end. The biggest case in Ohio history .I do not believe George is innocent at all. But I believe he will walk.
I could be wrong but when they were first arrested no one admitted anything so she was probably the only prosecutor prepared to take the case. Surly if they had witnesses at the beginning they would have had a prosecutor with a brain. She is completely out of her depth here and showing just how unprofessional she is. If she's a she?
Um um um ummm...
I hope she reads these reviews! Seriously!
Agreed.
Is the prosecution throwing ‘whatever’ to see if anything sticks?
No disrespect to the victims/families but watching George absolutely OWN this prosecutor is hilarious. Not a very good temperament for a lead prosecutor. He's rocking her world 🤣I'm also shocked the defense didn't object to her clearly badgering & making immature remarks to sway the jury. Or maybe they were just letting her bury herself lol
I think the defense was holding back on objecting because they wanted the jury to see that George could remain composed in spite of the prosecutor's badgering, rudeness, and improper commentary. And since he did remain composed throughout all of that, I'd say it was a good move on their part.
She was digging herself into a hole and the defence let her IMO.
She proved again and again that
1. He lies alot
2. He enjoys demeaning women
He is just a great liar but I believed from the start that this “special prosecutor” is horrible!
She didn't say Umm once during cross. I thought she was excellent. She exposed all the inconsistencies. His story doesn't make sense.
@@missmelody6185 Maybe she got better but I stopped looking at the case for a few days; especially when we were excluded from listening to and seeing the key players on the stand… so it’s possible she got better, but I was not impressed with her and it had nothing to do with her saying umm a thousand times.
I swear this prosecutor is making the defendant look better in my eyes lol. I'm on the verge of starting to believe this crazy dude. Oh no wtf
He gave his dad money for a truck then all of a sudden it's just gone. No questions asked and no explanation needed. Right!
Georges is great on the stand. The prosecutor is unravelling. That being said, I DO NOT BELIEVE one second that he didn't know what happened. You have to see the big picture. This family did everything together. They were uncomfortably close. There is no way they wouldn't let Georges in. They would need to all be in the same boat. Leaving him as a loose end doesn't make any sense. The mother had total control over him and she used her kids. Unfortunately, the state, at this point, are not going over the reasonable doubt. He could really walk.
That is true, but he aslo said he was close with Hanna and Frankie. He also said he stopped doing the break in on the trucks and stealing gas etc. could it be he turned from his family teachings and the excluded him from this so he couldn’t try to prevent it from happening? Just a thought. But one thing is for sure the jury got a lot to think about. I don’t see this being a quick verdict
Definitely uncomfortably close. If he really hated his family so much, why did he not move out? I guess if you’re raised the way he and Jake were, maybe you’re too insecure to move out on your own or something…
If Jake really wanted to put the blame on him then why wouldn’t he have pinpointed a lot more on him?
A little of the trial has been hidden from us including Jake/Angie testimony but from what I know Jake has said that George froze as he couldn’t fire the hun but he was there.
EXACTLY
Ive watched some of the trial and like everyone else frankly amazed at the actions of this family! But WHY do i believe George????
A lot of people are saying the same thing. I believe most of what he has said, like about his family,
Up bringing etc. And he’s actually quite like able. However, I do 100% believe he knew and was there that night. No, he didn’t pull the trigger and kill anyone, but he did nothing to stop it really. It’s a shame what their parents did to their own kids.
Because he was composed.
I know, right!
@@paulaosborne9534 but why do you believe he knew and was there?
I believe him, he is composed, consistent, admits his previous crimes while his family had incentives to testify against him, no not circumstantial evidence so much evident they had to use the movie clip that is clearly speculative and the prosecution seems a bit unhinged at this point…
I mean, he seems truthful. I think he believes that he’s raising his son right by letting him stay up until 12:30 while he himself goes to bed at 10-ish. What I’d like to know is whether his son and niece are in SCHOOL or whether they’re being “Home schooled” Like he was.
He seems truthful, but at the same time even though he seems to dislike his immediate family, he IS close with them - physically, in business (legal and not), etc., so that makes it a bit hard for me to believe he knew absolutely nothing of what they did, either before, after, or both.
That's why are insurance rates are high, people like this
I cannot staaaaand that woman! She starts every sentence with the word, aye-ind , um,um,um, and aye-ind. Aye-ind I think that George is very articulate and answers straight away. Aye-ind the jury might have a hard time with this case. Aye-ind it seems like he's telling the truth. Gawd's sake's I can't take her. Um.
I don't believe George is a bad guy but I do believe he allowed his family to control him and talk him into helping with these murders. I think he was there and knew about it even if he didn't shoot anyone.
Isn't a lawyer supposed to ask yes or no questions that they already know the answer to? Are the defendants supposed to be able to elaborate and riff on stories especially after asking the prosecutor for permission? never seen this method of cross examination before.
This prosecutor is awful!
I believe the State chose Canepa to try to upset George. Also she’s not acting any worse than the bald defense attorney did with the BCI investigators.
He’s lying!
When your raised with this type thing happening in your family it becomes the norm and as the crimes grew in nature they obviously went along with it. I mean these parents were unfit to be raising children little alone gaining custody of grandchildren.
I believe he is not guilty. If you can listen to his testimony without prejudice, he answers every question immediately without having to think first. His explanations to me are truthful.
He was away a lot hunting, fishing and spending time alone. I do believe the murder plotting and conversations were not done around him… day 45 and NO solid proof to put him at the murder scene or involved. This case has reasonable doubt all over it.
Pretty risky to throw your client up their as a defense attorney before the state has even rested. Have no idea the strategy involved in that.
The state hasn’t proven anything.
So, I doubt they were worried about the state having an ah ha moment or witness. Their case, to me, is already failed. I believe he should walk.
@@brendaford5542 they aren't done with their case though. So now they have the chance to come up with something contradicting things he said while on the stand. I was told they are still trying to get other evidence in, and that's why this happened. Idk though.
Both the state and defense have rested. Only thing left is closing arguments then turn over to the jury for deliberations.
Could be Angela and Jake pre-planned this entire strategy, of pleading guilty at some point if they got arrested and throwing George under the bus. He might not have been there, or knew they did it, till they confessed. If I were a juror, at this point, I would not be able to find him guilty.
His mom and Jake agreed to testify against him to avoid the death penalty. His testimony makes it easy for me to think they were the ones lying. He may have done some crimes and questionable things, which he admitted to, but it doesn’t mean he is a murderer or was aware of the murders. He sounds like he is pretty headstrong. I believe they didn’t want him to know, because they knew he would’ve been against it. Prosecutor she comes across very whiny and not very likeable.
I don't think he's involved in killing anyone, think its Jake and his mother
He may not have pulled the trigger but he knew and he helped.
He knows how to lie.
This is a bad family
People, stay out of everybody’s business, I don’t care if it’s your mum, dad or sibling.
I am a female with 4 brothers, there is no way they would beat or even kill anyone for me nor would I expect them too!
Once your grown, have kids and get married…get the heck out of your parents house and go live your life, especially if it’s toxic!!
8 people dead because the Warner’s wanted total control over the little children, nobody has won here and God help those kids going forward when they here all of this.
This is madness!
How could his phone be tapped if the cops never had his phone?
I just don't freaking know about this one.
He's so argumentative about EVERYTHING. Seems like the dumbest humans argue the most.
I think she proved over and over what a liar he is!!!!
After hearing George If I was on the jury I would have reasonable doubts. The rest of the family I would put under the prison cell.
George is believable and I’m starting to think he is innocent! Prosecutor is horrible! I think he will walk!
didnt George state that his dad would come home with hundreds of thousands of dollars in bags and had money buried in many places. And yet he didn't have the money to pay cash for the house?
This prosecutor Angela Canepa was NOT impressive at all in Cross Examination...she didn't catch George off guard at all, he seemed to outwit her on every question,...Canepa operated at a snail's pace...constant long pauses between questions, which slowed down the cross examination, not effective at, I was extremely bored with this slow tactic ineffective questioning she was fidgeting with her glasses ,paper ,pen Etc....She could have got him in several gotcha questions, but, Canepa failed miserably...if it wasn't for Jake and Angela Wagner's plea deal testimony they would have nothing on George,... But in the end he had to know of it all and the jury probably find him guilty in the horrific senseless killings of these 8 people ,may they rest in peace.
They didn’t prove George knew anything and there’s a good possibility that he didn’t. Did he might think it, yes….but know for sure no….I believe George and I hope the jury lets him walk.
I thought the complete opposite. I thought she was masterful at exposing all points at which George's testimony makes no sense. She exposed every time that he changed his story, which was countless times. He has had years to rehearse this. A lot of which is a different story than what he told agents before he got arrested. His story makes no sense.
I wish she would have questioned him about recording he was screaming about electric chair
Today's prosecutor is so inept that if I'm sitting on the jury, it makes me favor this defendant.