Dean Strang Discredits Claims Of Missing Evidence In 'Making A Murderer'
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2016
- Steve Avery's trial lawyer Dean Strang discusses the reactions to "Making A Murderer" and his take on evidence not presented in the docuseries.
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Was "Making A Murderer" leaning towards Steven Avery's innocence? Yes, and seemingly so. However anyone associated with the state of Wisconsin, the prosecutor, the investigators, the sheriffs dept., the FBI, the forensics official, all *speak* for themselves. In addition, their body language, their past behavior, their motives, their acts of perjury, presenting false stories on t.v. prior to jury selection of torture and murder within Steven's trailer (which was later proven false), are all elements which the audience of "Making A Murderer" draw upon to create their own theories. They were not actors reading a script by the creators of this series. It speaks for itself.
Chase Postell exactly
Chase Postell he is on your side you idiot. He is wrong as the show edited certain scenes and played ominous music to lead the viewer to think certain things, but he is on your side.
in Stephens case they claim he done it all by himself then in Brendan's case they were partners .Smooth prosecution have it both ways.
not at all
Dean Strang is a unique man in todays society; quietly confident, inspirational and everyones dream attorney. Mr Strang people are admiring your heart, your courage and your strength - own it, you deserve it. How many other innocent souls are rotting in prison and how many murderers are walking free? Brendan Dassey was the only pawn they could use to convict Steven Avery because of his low IQ. They knew he would agree to anything with a little added pressure, he was innocently clueless.
You, and many others, have been badly fooled.
Strang and Buting betrayed Avery by helping to engineer a sham trial by hiding exculpatory evidence and by seating jurors who were obvious shills for Manitowoc County.
Dream attorney? You do realise he lost right?
They definitely could have and should have done more. For them to have lost this case and to have this much publicity is bizarre. Makes you think why didn’t they hire experts? Not a one to dispute all of the states awful accusations.
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go after the brother and ex boyfriend, they had her confidential passwords to her phone and account. the ex boyfriend had a direct connection with the woman who found the rav 4 on a 40 acre salvage yard within 15 minutes. a woman who would in fact not know her way around such a complexed area of vehicles and wet uneven ground.
+Rick Dickson Agreed! Something very sinister about that whole thing.
+goatstaog I see several parties that should have been investigated within the series. So your opinion on the county is viable. Nothing I have read or watched indicates anything ritualistic as I did not comment on or will comment on that. If you have some proof share it. I do agree that this whole rigamaroll is sinister and very dark though. Can you expand on your thoughts of how masons are involved? Bearing in mind that this is a huge topic and many people are reading this. On a side note, would the criteria of this investigation be enough for the can-am project to get involved?
+Rick Dickson The brother was highly suspicious to me. He seemed eager to be on camera, and talk candidly about the supposed brutal rape and actual murder of his sister. Steven Avery is accused of a crime - the entire Avery family is so distraught they don't want to talk to anybody. Teresa Halbach is *murdered* and her brother says "Where's the cameras?" He only showed any semblance of real emotion during sentencing, and who knows how genuine that was.
+Rick Dickson She found it in 10 minutes according to her own timeline depending on when she saw it fit to her story.
+Rick Dickson Plus the deleted voicemail messages.
There's always this element of having their cake and eating it too when it comes to Steven Avery's ability to mastermind a murder. This reprehensible presecutor says that Avery new that it would make him look innocent if he called Halbach after her death, but that he also knew he wouldn't need to use the *67 number, because she was already dead, and she wouldn't pick up. What kind of idiot uses this logic? He's - what? Smart enough to call her number, not smart enough to do it in the exact same way? If he had all this other evidence to get rid of - why would he even *think* of this shit!? Like in Brenden's trial, some investigator says about the lack of evidence "Yes. They had a lot of time to clean up." Really!? Well what about all the ridiculous obvious shit that you found in AVERY'S TRIAL!? These "people" are infuriating.
+futurestoryteller Steve was known for using *67 according to phone records, he did this for his own privacy. This is why it was thrown out and never shown to the jury. Why sex offender former prosecutor Ken Kratz is fucking running his mouth about evidence the judge threw out is just hilarious but not in the ha ha way.
+futurestoryteller
They would have to be diligent enough to clean up all the blood from the trailer and the garage without disturbing all the junk and crap lying around in a dirty mess everywhere. And yet careless enough to leave the vehicle uncleaned right on their own yard, keys to the RAV 4 right on their own floor, and her bones left right in the back yard. What happened to them being experts at cleaning up the evidence?! It's too inconsistent. Nobody would leave those keys in their trailer, park the vehicle on their own property (uncleaned despite them being alleged experts at cleaning), drop the keys in their own trailer and then knowing the bones are in the back yard tell them to search the place all they want. Keys that were not discovered until the compromised cops (who aren't supposed to be there anyways) show up to "search". Nothing was found until the cops who were in danger of losing a law suit, their jobs, and their reputation because of Mr. Avery decided to show up - against protocol - since they were supposed to be avoiding any appearance of corruption due to their obvious personal bias and motive in this situation showed up and began screwing around on the scene. All of a sudden they "find" evidence in places that the other cops could have easily been over a dozen times carefully.
Either the Avery's suck at hiding evidence (vehicle, keys, bones), or they don't (eliminating any trace of a bloody stabbing, throat slitting, 11 shots with a shotgun). But to clean all the evidence of all that blood in those messy areas (the hard part) - and yet to ignore the easy part which is simply to NOT leave the vehicle/keys/bones lying around your property.... it is incredibly inconsistent. Not to mention the cops with no personal bias can't find anything at all, and yet the compromised cops who aren't supposed to be there because of their bias - conveniently find all these apparent things that are not even hidden well... It doesn't add up.
Adding to that - the fact that Colbourn called in her plate when the vehicle was supposedly still missing, so we knew he was in contact with the vehicle/keys before anyone else.. and Lenk sneaking around the property while he was off the logs.. and then changing his story about when he was there.. and yet the judge and jury just flaked out during those crucial moments, like it didn't matter.
I can't say for sure if the defendants are innocent of it all, but either way it's obvious the cops were not innocent in all of this. Just like Dean Strang is saying, if nothing else, hopefully this documentary can wake people up to the fact that the legal system is blind to corruption when it comes to their own. Even in the face of overwhelmingly suspicious conduct and apparent evidence. Every time they broke the rules.. nobody cared. No matter how suspicious something seemed, it didn't matter. These are the good guys.
I agree with you though we have to keep something in mind when it comes to evidence vs conspiracy. Evidence always wins in court. Proving someone is guilty is much easier than proving someone has been framed. You need clear cut, unmistakable proof that someone else killed her. I do believe there was definite signs of foul play when it comes to evidence but at the end of the day it's impossible for the courts to determine which evidence was was tampered with and which wasn't. This must have been incredibly difficult for the jury. You don't want a killer going free but you also don't want to lock him up for something he didn't do. In this case, the evidence supports his guilt. Regardless of the possibility of being framed, evidence points at him. It's not a perfect system and many do exploit it's holes. Unless new evidence proves his innocence like a mysterious camera caught her death in action, we many never find the full truth behind Teresa's death but for now the state believes they have the perpetrator based on the information provided.
+Derek Moore (SMOKE) Agreed. Another thing is that they had a car crusher that Steven knew how to operate as well as he knew how to manually take apart cars. Why in the world would he drive Teresa's car to the far end of the lot and barely cover it? That sounds more like something someone would do so that Steven didn't notice it, not the police etc. If Steven had done it then logically he would've taken the car apart, no one would think anything weird of it since he does that stuff every day!
Also, the key was found how many months later? They did a full search of the house and the key wasn't there then it magically appeared months later when cops who were specifically not supposed to be there, were there.
The court system is supposed to be based on "innocent until guilty *beyond a reasonable doubt*". There is far too much reasonable doubt that Steven Avery is not guilty so he shouldn't have been convicted. It was even worse in poor Brenan's case. That was heart-wrenching watching the police etc. ruin a teenage boy's life and completely violate his rights entirely.
The part that made me the most mad about this was the fact that at the beginning, 7 jurors voted not guilty, 3 guilty, and 2 undecided
So why did the 7 not guilty change their minds? Is the system to let the bullies win over the weak? Or let the jury decide them-selves? Why couldn't have come back with that initial vote....guess it would have been a hung jury...?
Personally, i think he did do it.....but evidence was planted for sure.
Darcy....no way was that a legit confession and should not have been allowed.
Corrupt and broken system you have....
Brendan Dassey was worried about missing Wrestlemania when Fassbender and Wiegert were intent on putting him away for 40 years. The poor kid didn't have a clue what was happening.
On November 4th, 2005 - just a few days after the alleged brutal rape, stabbing, shooting, and mutilation of Teresa Halbach - Steven Avery looked calm and collected as a reporter interviewed him for the news. "What did the police ask you?" she inquired.
He informed THE PUBLIC that the police had SEARCHED HIS HOUSE that evening.
(Episode 2: Turning The Tables; 32:21)
"And [the police] ask me if they can come in the house and check the house over. I said I don't got no problem with that, come on in. So they checked the house all over. Everything was fine then they left."
Questions: How long does it take a man (with a 70 IQ) to clean roughly 5 liters of blood - blood that has been spattered in minuscule droplets called "back spatter" from a gunshot or "cast off" spatter from a stabbing motion, potentially covering walls, ceilings, bed posts, carpet fibers, concrete floors, cracks in the concrete, car parts, etc.?
www.crime-scene-investigator.net/simplified-guide-to-bloodstain-pattern-analysis.html
When the police searched the Avery home on November 3rd, the alleged murder scene, did they notice it had been thoroughly and meticulously scrubbed? Did they detect a bleach odor? Did Avery appear uncomfortable or nervous while they (undoubtedly) scrutinized his behavior?
If the answer is YES, he did achieve all of these results, I would ask that his IQ be checked again - because that is simply GENIUS.
Even though I absolutely feel sorry for her family. I felt like the brother was more of a sports fan than a family member of a tragic incident.
+SomeOneFromOFS he sounded like half of it was his sister and the other half he had a good job or something.
+Papa Smurf Yeah its strange, the way he commented "I hoped he would slip, but you know, it is what is it" (or something like that).. Sounded like he was coming out of a press conference following a boring match of basketball
+Jeff Albertson This is actually how it came off as!
+SomeOneFromOFS Well, he does work for the Green Bay Packers. So there's that.
+stripe64 I did not realize!!! I actually looked it up its true!
so strange
It's easy to forget that there's not only Steven Avery who is a big victim here. Brendan Dassey's whole life was probably completely destroyed. I'm at the same age as him, we are both born in 1990. I can't help but thinking how much I have experienced and lived since 2006 and he have been behind bars all this whole time.
The idiot put himself behind bars. Should have at least kept his mouth shut.
+No Name I kind of agree with you. But I heard somewhere that he have a lower IQ than Forrest Gump and that tells a lot. I think he at least deserves some compassion. Then ad that he never had a lawyer during the first interview with the police. Then when he finally got a lawyer, that lawyer basically wanted him to go to jail. The way I looked at it he was corrupted. So as I said, he deserves some compassion. Don't look at him as a normal 16 year old.
D.MYST I was talking about Brendan not Steve.
+D.MYST huh. Just realized that both guys were betrayed by their cousins. Female cousins. Brendan by Kayla and Steven by the cousin who was married to the cop. Kayla apparently shot off her mouth to impress her friends. But she was just 14. I don't think it was meant to be malicious. I think those detectives would have taken the word of a three year old if it helped further their case against Steven.
Honestly broke my heart when they showed how he aged in prison... A lost young boy turned into a broken man... Just felt terrible and wanted to give him a hug. I'm with you. I was born in 1995 and he is 5 years older than me, but while watching I couldn't help but keep thinking retrospect of my life so far, how I have grown and how Brendan was stripped of all the beautiful things in life. Just sad....
After watching the documentary I'm on the fence too. One thing I know for sure that should of have been done and wasn't is the ex and roommate of the victim should have been questioned. And another thing I am quite sure of is the shady work done by detectives in this case it is very questionable they had a one track mind. There are so many more suspicious suspects that should have been investigated.
Ken Kratz? His opinion on anything isn't worth a tinkers dam.
The verdict was odd, guilty of murder, not guilty of mutilating the body.. yet if he killed her then who did they think burned her, makes no sense.
I think what it is I feel for Dean Strang is the amount of compassion this man had for Brendan Dassey's predicament as well as the not-so-shielded contempt he had for Mr. Dassey's representation. I have to say throughout the documentary, Mr. Strang and Mr. Buting's immense duty shone through. Kudos to them for defending the rule of law while Mr. Kratz et al were shitting all over it.
It is absolutely sickening to see what police departments will do to convict an innocent man and use their power to twist the evidence.. The judicial system should be much better than it is and ALWAYS consider a man innocent until proven guilty and in this case, he was obviously considered guilty from the start of the investigation. This is frightful!
It is extremely unlikely the brother 'guessed' the woman's password after her death. More likely is that she was tortured into giving her password before being killed.
+whatthef911 That's what I've thought all along. I think the X and brother had her phone in their hands. Open to clear or delete whatever incriminated them. The lie the X told, when questioned he could NOT even remember the password. X, Oh, uummm, WE kinda thought it might be one of her sisters B-day or somethin. DUH!!!!!! What??? Clearly a lie to throw everyone off. Which most do believe.GRRRRRRRR
Yes I totally have a crush on Dean too!
Please watch the middle brother's body language. Theresa brother.. he has strange body language. He absolutely knows something.
Making a murderer is a big help the Steven and Brendan to show us viewers that they are innocent and Theresa murderer is still free i hope he confess his crime. it's also give us knowledge about justice system and i wish that it will never happen again to anyone. young one should know this if Brendan story it will happen them DON"T say anything until you have a lawyer. the police interrogation him to the points of they are the one who confess the crime by keep feeding him of what happen. so heart breaking to watched. until now i cry for Brendan and his uncle and pray for them. I hope they are free soon.
For how "short" of time she has to talk to interview him she sure poured on a shitload of questions in one sentence. If you watch this there is no other conclusion you can come to regardless of what was omitted. To much was wrong...
So why did he use *67 ? This is never explained.
He should sue these news trollops for sexual harassment.
He's right that whole trial was a sham. I feel sorry for Theresa's family but they got the wrong two on that one
I'm not understanding this whole line of Halbach didn't want to visit the Avery farm anymore because of how she felt Avery responded to her, yet she went to the farm again!!! Are you saying she couldn't recognize the area where she was? Give me a freaking break. Her family making that comment is crap unless they're saying she was so stupid she couldn't realize that an address given to her was one where Steven Avery lived. Ridiculous claim
surgedeb Agreed. I think she may have made comments that he was gross but I don't believe for a second she was afraid of Steve
So only the last call wasn't from a *67 number?
And the reports from the auto trader staff was accurate just that this guy thinks that everyone wants to be greeted in a towel and that doesn't show any behavioral problems on Avery's part.
They also forgot to mention that Steven Avery has a long criminal record and history of torturing animals.
I hope you never do Jury Duty.
The last call was after she was dead to set up an alibi and he also called 2 days later to say she never showed up as another alibi. All stuff left out of the documentary. The jury got it right.
@@stephenaustin5525 god forbid I let a murderer stay in jail. lol
@@Seargent_Scraps agreed. I remember how angry I used to get at this case. IT"S SO OBVIOUS and somehow people wanted to let this murderer go free.
Cannot Deny the evidence we all know the truth, so much so I don't even need to say it.
I think I falled in love with this lawyer. :D
In other words Avery is screwed and this will probably never get retried
+103kristofer www.people.com/article/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-gets-new-lawyers-kathleen-zellner
He is guilty
+Chucky The story the prosecution made was garbage in my opinion. There were a few drops of blood in her vehicle. Even if it wasn't planted, this doesn't prove anything. Her DNA on the bullet was garbage since the lady that did the test got her own DNA on the bullet. The car key had his DNA on it, but not hers? The fact that the cops abused their power over a special needs student to get the confession they wanted showed me the level of their corruption. Not to mention they had to have a babysitter officer from a neighboring county follow them around the first day they were investigating Avery's residence. Then the next day when he is not there, the key magically appears but it wasn't there the other 5 or 6 times they were there? It's possible he could be guilty, but there was not evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" in my view. If he did kill her, the prosecution did not even remotely show how he did it.
+Chucky Justice Interesting. What evidence do feel proves him being guilty?
Cat's dna was all over the place. They also found that poor girl's head in Avery's overnight bag.
I hope the Avery's are getting compensated for the documentary as well as interviews! They Should Be!
Agree on the gun scene in the garage never taking place. Was the Toyota key presented as evidence for being 'Too Clean'?: the only DNA found on it was hers? No-one elses! A key she owned/used for two years no?
*HIS* not her DNA meaning it had been meticulously cleaned.
Steve Avery is going to stay in jail until some miraculous technology pops up allowing to solve this shit like last time. Now i'm not only talking about pleading Avery as not-guilty, but also talking about who the god damn fuck actually killed Teresa.
I have real respect for law enforcement. But Mantiwoc is a joke.
umm i think now this is a federal case purdy sure umm yeah it is...
Kratz acts just revolted about the idea that law enforcement could do anything wrong, and based on the harassment that destroyed his career he knows doing wrong things. He texted this girl who had been abused all this gross stuff and just felt he’d never be caught. Because all of them have been getting away with everything for so long wether harassment or wrongful convictions they think they can do anything.
And now everyone loves him even more, lol!
what I dont understand is why would the police set him up. whats their motive? its just crazy. let that poor avery family live their lifes. I feel so sorry for them...
36 million
The murderer was Edward Wayne Edwards!
For all the people that doubt that law enforcement or the criminal process itself could be corrupted, look at Dassey's former attorney Len Kachinsky. That guy is now a judge. That says it all.
Ken Kratz was disciplined for much more than he's admitted to in public. During his time as the elected Calumet County D.A., he committed numerous acts of sexual misconduct, aside from the sexually harassing e-mails. There were complaints of sexual assault of a criminal defendant, over whom he had the power to revoke her probation. Disgusting sexual comments to a social worker and another caseworker who were serving as state witnesses. Despite all that, and his drug abuse and untreated mental illness, he is still a practicing attorney in good standing.
www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=113968
EDIT: Added link
+Baby Skyelander That Kachinsky guy had to be the creepiest character I've ever seen. Reminded me of William H. Macy in Fargo.
It is simply impossible for some people to believe the lengths to which people who hold positions of power will go to protect themselves. If the Netflix documentary had one shortcoming, it was failing to spend more time analyzing the conflict of interest on the part of the County.
The Avery lawsuit would've wrecked the entire law enforcement and political infrastructure of Manitowic County, and likely put many officials behind bars. We have no problem believing that such a fear would motivate a private citizen to total corruption, but when a man wears a badge and a uniform he's somehow above the rest. The actions of Kratz, Kachinsky, Lenk, and Colburn simply account for nothing in the minds of these people. It's all about Avery and what a creep he is...
I could go into my own local stories of corruption, but what would be the point? "It's only some cops," people will say. Yeah, some cops here, over here, and over there, and so on...there is systemic corruption contained within the legal system, from local to federal.
And there is NO recourse when a corrupt system is responsible for policing itself. This is why documentaries are so important, and why holding these people to the highest possible standard must never cease.
I've seen a lot of people talking about the evidence from the trial which was omitted by Netflix. People just don't get it. We have all kinds of evidence, all uncovered and analyzed by the same group of individuals who were culpable in a gross example of malfeasance, and the major pieces of evidence are (in my mind and in the mind of any rational being) found to be planted or tampered with. And the critical response is...well, what about this other evidence over here, found by the same people? It boggles the mind...
Whats wrong in the US legal system, is very simpel... You get what you pay for... Avery had 400 some K and he got a team of half decent lawyers.... that lost and DID NOT present his case as well as it should have... The man got life, simple as that!
Yeah they should have let him go like they did with OJ. We need more murderers on the streets.
strang getting that strange
the host talks too much, need simpler, pointed questions
He loves using the word "systemic".
does she yawn at 1.01?
Look to conveniences in this case. Convenient for the state in the civil lawsuit. Convenient that a key was found. Convenient that a bullet was found etc. etc.
in my opinion, mike halbach is weird, he always has a weird smile on his face. weird !
The US police state in action.
Steven Avery is guilty 💯
I just hope the same never happens to you. Never say Never
@@shanecarless4671 hi Shane 👋😊 hope you have a good day ☺️
@@darksideofthemoon2348 Ditto
Manitowoc county police department is doing a charity blood drawing anyone in?
Well, how bout that? It took a long time, but Laura and Moira have been discredited. Convicting A Murderer is eye-opening. MAM was strictly entertainment and it's power to whitewash an evil man and convince ppl to believe in him is stunning.
Laura and Moria are two liars ... Disgusting what they have done .. made money out of a murder .. that show implied that Steven was being framed..nope.. Steven is guilty 💯
Honestly I don’t think the police set him up it was his sister, brother in law, and son. They framed him and knew the police wouldn’t look anywhere else
Did Stevens sisters husband even go to visit his sick mum? was his mother in hospital? Did anyone check the hospital records? or was he meeting with the MCSD?
Have you noticed that in the video of theresa she says that she loves her sister, her relatives , her dog....but she does not says anything about her brother! Mr. halbach you know something about her murder right?
The last call to her was not *67 because she was already dead and Avery was trying to set up an alibi, just like when he called auto trader 2 days later and told them she never showed up. All stuff left out of the fake documentary.
Her name was "Teresa"! Surnames are used for the killer, "Avery." The report calling her Halbach is quite despicable, she lost her life in a despicable way so please give this young lady some respect!!!!!!!! Teresa's murder has been made into a circus, how can folk make jokes regarding the defense lawyers being sex symbols, for goodness sake, can not one person try to at least imagine, Teresa's last moments of her life, I can assure you, she would not have felt like a sex symbol, but, instead, the fear of being viciously sexually assaulted before being killed is an absolute horrific thought, let alone it really happening, I so feel for you, Teresa! And, for what, the power that sex brings to people! Ffs!! I hope Teresa will finally be able to rest soon. Let this circus be over with!!!!!!!
I think Steven did it. But the investigators knew there probably wasn't enough evidence to convict. So they planted some stuff to ensure they got him. If my hypothesis is correct it makes for an interesting ethics discussion.
failure of the appeals process to at least get Avery a new trial and for sure, for his nephew.
Dean Strang dropped the ball, or a better way of putting it would be Dean Strang put Steven Avery in jail by not asking the police officer, "Why would you call in a license plate if you already had all the information?" Dean Strang asked Officer, "Where you looking at the plates when you called"? Of course he said no, but the million dollar question was or is {Then why did you call in the plates knowing the color and the make of the car?} He had no answer, the trial would have been over right then and there but Dean let it go...
I just don't get how a flippin jury could convict either one of them!!! I felt so bad to the nephew! I can totally relate to him! poor thing!! pulled into this because he's cousin lied!! damn what's up with their cousins?
Hahahahhahaha omg I laughed when I herd that there were idiots signing a petition " free Steven avey!" Like they honestly thought that'd would have an effect in the court of law. Omg people are so stupid .
Juliojones Exchange It's nearly as crazy as Kim Kardashian getting someone released from prison!!o wait that did happen!
The police in concert w the Brother and Ex-boyfriend killed her
What is going to make a better Documentary, when She is Discovered........Alive and well!!!
I bet if they ask Kratz, Lenk, Colborn, Remiker, Scott, Ryan, Pam, Mike, Bradley (the boyfriend) and Steven to willfully take truth serum EVERYBODY BUT Steven would DECLINE!!!! I bet Steven would jump at the chance!!!!