Illusion of Justice | Jerry Buting | Talks at Google
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2017
- Over his career, Jerome F. Buting has spent hundreds of hours in courtrooms representing defendants in criminal trials. When he agreed to join Dean Strang as co-counsel for the defense in Steven A. Avery vs. State of Wisconsin, he knew a hard fight lay ahead. But, as he reveals in ILLUSION OF JUSTICE: Inside Making a Murderer and America’s Broken System, no-one could have predicted just how tough and twisted that fight would be-or that it would become the center of the Netflix documentary sensation Making a Murderer, which made Steven Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, household names and thrust America’s criminal justice system into the spotlight.
Combining narrative reportage with critical commentary and personal reflection, he explores his professional and personal motivations, including a battle with a rare cancer that almost cost him his life; career-defining cases, including his shocking fifteen-year-long fight to clear the name of another man wrongly accused and convicted of murder; and what must happen if our broken system is to be saved. Taking a place beside Just Mercy and The New Jim Crow, ILLUSION OF JUSTICE is a tour-de-force from a relentless and eloquent advocate for justice who is determined to fulfill his professional responsibility and, in the face of overwhelming odds, make America’s judicial system work as it is designed to do.
Moderated by Matthew Hendershot.
Jerry is such a good person for being so outspoken and working so hard on this wish we had more lawyers like him
It’s funny people believe imprisoning innocent people is better than letting terrorist go. From what I learned wrongful convictions often results in the real killer getting away with it.
Thank you so much for this post. Mr. Buting certainly is "a relentless and eloquent advocate for justice!" I'll buy the book AND step up my game in my own area to be a better citizen.
If you think Buting is some sort of "heroic" lawyer, you're clearly deluded and do not really know how weak his arguments are ... there are very good legitimate reasons why he lost the case and he knows he truely lost the case .. the fact he's taking the chance to bask in the documentary's popularity is , to me, a sign that he's not a honest or heroic person at all ... he's miseducating people logical mindsets in order to bask in the glory of the biased show ....
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How to sell a book !
I think a great way to summarize the major issue with the judicial system is by saying that egos, and politics are the priority. “Justice” is taking a back seat.
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With over 2.3 million people behind
bars, the U.S. has the largest prison population in the history of the world.
A Government bond is created when the accused is sent to prison.
These bonds are traded on the stock exchange and sold to overseas investors, mostly bought by Governments.
Hundreds of billions of dollars are made on these bonds, perhaps trillions of $$$.
It becomes a BIG business ....
Justice is a lie, an illusion. There is only two option, 1. Revenge 2. Just walk away, walk away
add "money" and "clearing the docket" to your statement, and i completely agree. www.stloiyf.com/blog
This is terrifying!!!
100% distrust in our "system".
I feel horrible for them .
Great interview... Thanks for posting.
I'd like to hearJerry's opinion on the States case vs. Arron Schwartz. That prosecutor was ruthless, and cared more for his image and making a career for himself than the actual damage and true "nature" of the crime.
Not to mention that the impending charges and pressure put on Arron led to his own suicide
*_Far too many times_* prosecutors are more concerned with their own image and career than getting to the truth in a legal proceeding. www.stloiyf.com/blog
Whatever money the state puts into the prosecution they should also have to give to the defendant for their defense.
The thing that sticks with me about this case is there is no proof beyond doubt that she is even dead 'human bones' found, not positively tested as hers, not enough blood in the back of the car to conclude beyond doubt she died, one tooth found only...
I know on the balance of probability the bones are hers, but that is less than beyond reasonable doubt which is the burden of proof in homicide cases..
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Factssss
They didn't test bones for dna either.
@@flyandshy00 they most certainly did. Omg 🙄
Yeah she’s just out walking around laughing at all the chaos. 🙄
I highly recommend Jerry’s book, very well written and interesting.
So is Ken Kratz’s Book
Thank you ! I’m about to cop this !!
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Its kind of crazy. Im no American, but in Brendon Dassey's case, during the 7th courth of appeals. They ruled it 4 against 3. And if his case was beyond resonable doubt, wouldnt it be a unanimous decision?
Yeah I'm still trying to wrap my head around THAT one! How in the he'll did the State of Wisconsin get an En Banc hearing when it would have just been a De Novo review???
What most people are missing is the entire interview of Dassey. They are relying on the snippets taken by the filmmakers of Making a Murderer, who cleverly crafted a narrative which excluded a lot of negative evidence against Dassey and Avery
Not in the system where we play hide my dick in my sister's bloody cunt
That wasn’t a trial and they weren’t trying to overturn the verdict, they weren’t even reviewing the case - they were only determining if his confession was voluntary or not.
@@mythbuster4880 oh please do tell! Which relevant to the case info did they leave out?
I need to read this book( soon) but I am sure it is awesome like his writer 👏🏻
It’s sad these cases were more about grandiose lawyers who got their 15 minutes of fame on Netflix and opted to abuse it and less about the beautiful young woman who was murdered.
So many lawyers, especially Prosecutors will not and do not ever admit they convicted the wrong man. Their inflated Ego's and self righteous beliefs prevent that from happening.
This man is a hero
Please protect journalists to practice safely without harm, please protect the poor and innocent!!
It’s not about getting the truth out. In America, the whole purpose of the adversarial criminal justice system is to ensure that the government prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt using only lawfully obtained evidence and through a procedure that is scrupulously consistent with the defendants constitutional rights.
if the government cannot do that then they may not interfere with the liberty of the defendant.
Jerry knows his client got railroaded... DS not so much.. but both were way to mild mannered in their treatment of the corrupt cops.. I feel the Jury was able to be turned because Jerry and Dean showed fear..
I don’t think that’s the case at all. I think we are all asking the wrong questions. As Kathleen Zellner says, jury’s get it right when they have all the info. The problem is the judge didn’t allow in a lot of the information. And the jury felt heavily pressured. That’s a bad combo. You have to have all the info and all the freedom to give a proper defense. Dean came out in the last few months and said Avery is most likely innocent. But it doesn’t matter. He wasn’t treated fairly. Either way he should be free because the law didn’t treat him fairly. Plain and simple. Brendan Dassey even less so.
Avery is clearly guilty, all the "conspiracy theories" as based on baseless "maybe this happened" and unproven "maybe that is planted". No, thats not how we prove things, thats flawed thinking .. its like the worst kind of logic to look at things ... there are so many unplantable evidence in the case which makes it very undeniable Steven Avery is behind the whole murder ... And this lawy Buting is only defending him for the publicity he can get but he knows deep down he's guilty. There's an interview where the lawyer is asked do you think Steven Avery is guilty, he say its not about what he thinks .. its about whether there are loopholes to exploit in the police works in order for him to get SA off the hook... thats not exactly what he said but thats clearly how he implicitly defended the case.
@@88feji conflict of the Sheriff's department makes it impossible to be sure about any of it.
I agree with most said here. The justice system is often biased from the beginning
Even King Solomon said long ago that their is no justice in this world! We try to be just, but evil is everywhere. A just world keep the world sane and chaotic and unjust world will destroy us.
I think what he talks about as having transparent court rooms with cameras at the same time as proper due court process in the US with freedom of political interfearance is living in dreamland and a barrier to justice. Have a court transcribed process but not docu drama trial by tv. I found the Tv channels constant interviews on daily tv feeds in Stephens case so damaging to a judge or police force it led political will to ensure a conviction. So too is media attention the jury hear which means a jury are far more likely to convict in high profile trials. They don’t want to let of people who may be guilty. Media deliberation of potential guilt will have an effect on conviction therefore. This is a crass trial process. In the uk we wouldn’t have trial by media, and at the end of it, people would be on same page if miscarriage. With frenzy of media in tv trials it kicks up media humbug to not being bothered if guilty or not. It just makes good tv. It’s just shallow. Surely you realise this Americans?
steven avery is innocent
yes, and alot of people initially believed he was railroaded when he was first getting arrested for the murder until Cunt Kratz called the press conference and said younger viewers should turn off t.v. and told Brendans so-called confession, everyone turned on Avery yet that press conference was total nonsense.. he never laid out any of those things Kratz said. But the toothpaste was already out of the tube
and Brendan Dassey is innocent too.
I think that's too big of a stretch. Let's just say not guilty.
I thought so too until researching and reading the actual full interview of Dassey, all of the evidence that was cleverly left out of the documentary and the recanting of their perception of Avery by his two ex-fiances and interviews with his children. A side that is not reflected in Making a Murderer
@@mythbuster4880 which evidence was left out? I hope you aren’t talking about his past convictions and vices - this ain’t evidence and isn’t relevant to the case. MaM is enough to conclude his right to a fair trial was violated by the state.
@32:40 Exactly
They tried their best.Steve Avery is not their family, they have their own kids and family and career to think about as well.
It is NOT at all easy to believe SA is innocent.Their is insane amount of circumstantial evidence backing up his guilt, you dont even have to go deep into foresnic.
So my point is, just like these 2 lawyers, and even myself, a lot of people believe SA was probably guilty( you can see everytime Dean and Jerry are asked question if they are convined SA is innocent, every single time they give an indirect answer), but should not have been convicted becaus eof so much conflicting evidence.
That is why they moved on, they cannot spend their whole lives trying to free a man who is 50% chance easily guilty.
For them, its not about SA's innocence or guilt.It was about that unfair conviction.
You do not understand how the system works. The idea is no person is able to rule another person is guilty of a crime. There is a process and a court that must make this ruling. The system is subject to shortcomings and might make a mistake pronouncing a person guilty. However, the system cannot make a mistake and pronounce a person not guilty, this is because the system ruling not guilty was correct based on the evidence presented and because no person can rule another person is guilty of a crime.
IMO, it's unbelievable that judges at the higher level of the American Appellate court systems can't tell the difference between "thinking " and "remembering something" like shooting someone in the head. I hope & am glad that there are "fair" minded ppl funding and fighting to correct a profoundly corrupt, criminal injustice system on behalf of Dassey , Avery and all the wrongly convicted.
great program. I found interviewers hairstyle very distracting. It was easier to focus by just using audio.
Look close at the day planner ,by phone records, she wrote on it ,bottom left , at 12:44 pm on 10/31/2005, days later it shows up in Ryan’s hands,
If this was a gold coin, questions would be flying, hey buddy where did you get that,
More valuable than gold
Daniel Perry Ryan is suspect, there is evidence her body was burned at mining camp next to Avery property and moved to the burn pit and burn barrel , her remains was found in all three places,
Ryan did have free reign while the investigation was going on,
Day planner= Ryan
Cell phone password = Ryan
Locating rav 4 = Ryan
Searching on Avery property = Ryan
If not suspect then he is a great detective for a nurse
Daniel Perry ALL LIES!
Daniel Perry your fucking stupid bro
This piece of evidence is the key to the whole case. If the ex bf had the day planner she used that day, nothing else can explain it.
The English idea of being judged by twelve of your fellow men is those fellow men make sure the court cant treat you in a way the twelve fellow men don't want the court to be able to treat them...Stops working when the jury is afraid of the court.
Please and costs have led to the slow demise of our, UK, trial system. Our parliament is awash with lawyers. The circle is nearly complete.
Made me think my own thoughts and that's why I gave it a like.
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Isaiah 29:17-21 The Message (MSG)
17-21 And then before you know it,
and without you having anything to do with it,
Wasted Lebanon will be transformed into lush gardens,
and Mount Carmel reforested.
At that time the deaf will hear
word-for-word what’s been written.
After a lifetime in the dark,
the blind will see.
The castoffs of society will be laughing and dancing in God,
the down-and-outs shouting praise to The Holy of Israel.
For there’ll be no more gangs on the street.
Cynical scoffers will be an extinct species.
Those who never missed a chance to hurt or demean
will never be heard of again:
Gone the people who corrupted the courts,
gone the people who cheated the poor,
gone the people who victimized the innocent.
In total sum? Justice =$$$$ or how much you have to offer? This is in "FACT" Justice denied.
We see that all the time. Connected people and people with money do not live under the same justice system that the rest of us do.
my favorite part here is when Buting is asked why most accused can't afford an attorney.....because there are demographic and social answers to that, but the real reason (he obviously avoids) is that attorneys are grossly overpaid....most professions would give their firstborn to be able to charge half of what lawyers commonly charge....BTW Avery and Dassey admit their guilt several times in the 10 part series....
Great video I'd say.
I wonder what Jerry himself charges an hour? 🤔
People should get paid!
#LOCKUPTHECORRUPTOFFICIALS
The interviewer looks like he needs a bath
It's just an " illusion ", nope evidence was there from the start and the right culprits were convicted. Stop ✋ exploiting the families that have lost a loved one 💔 😢 stop putting them through years of pain and anguish with your outlandish presumptions of innocence when you are aware of all the facts. Be human again feel empathy. Justice prevailed and will prevail swiftly I hope 🙏
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Innocent until proven broke
so give the poor all your cash jerry no biggie
Your client is as guilty as they come. Idiots watch a tv show and conclude that police "planted evidence". The jury listened to that same defense and laughed Buting out of the court.
good god, get a haircut!
Jerry and Dean didn't do a very good job. They sure have gotten a lot of publicity though while Steven rots in jail for a crime he didn't commit. Bet they are loving it.
Too many points indicate that Steven is set up, no one cares, they protect each other, who still believes in American law and who still dares to practice journalism and dares to write genuine articles, who will protect the poor and the homeless. sin?!
who is that freak in the other chair?
it's so sad to see there all making movies and writing books and yet there's 2 innocent men in jail and a rapist/murderer on the loose Americans yet again proving how sick minded ye are anything for a quick buck
A bit harsh. The defense lawyers still seem to be advocates for both Avery and Dassey's innocence despite being replaced on the case by new lawyers and even criticized for their handling of it by Avery since the verdict.
@@andrew_koala2974 does it matter?
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It would be a waste of time to explain such to the illiterate and uneducated ...
When it is clear that you have the scholastic ability of a four year old Labrador.
Actually a Four Year old Labrador would outclass you
You are definitely not a full box of chocolates. Thick as two bricks
Be on your way ...
Not a good defense