there's actually a programme on Netflix called the confession tapes, it's about false confessions. I watched one episode and then was too cross to watch the rest
not all are real but the government is a commercial corporation they get their money back as many ways as possible. Also don't believe imprisonment ever costs them money I think they make heck of a lot more creating criminals.
What's scary is how the Making A Murderer series brought this injustice to light and how he may still be in prison if not for the series and I also wonder all the other cases like this that get ignored.
+marc8533 hi marc ! i'm really interested in that, i'm italian and i'm trying to get more informations about this story even if i don't understand english very well . I really hope that they're guilty , and i do know that the documentary is not so transparent as it should be , but i still wonder about a thing : so much work to prove they are guilty , but no one to explain why the hell the test tube with avery's blood was open ? i mean this story is so controversial , i can't really get to a point
Watch the full interrogation. It was so obvious that the interragators were leading him. He didn't know any of the details until the interragators told him.
the only fact that the detective give away details known only by the police. he is either incompetent or he did fram him in purpose. if not in jail his place os certainly not on law enforcement.
Hamfists Man ok listen to this: 1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood. 2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who is actually mentally challenged, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this. 3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!? 4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance. 5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene. 6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔 7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property. 8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔 9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile. 10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak. 11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood. 12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth. 13.The victim’s s blood is found in her car ONLY!! and even the county police agrees that the blood marks on the car are a clear sign of transport, bare in mind that the police did NOT have access to the victim’s blood, that’s why it was never ever found in any other place!! 14.If Avery killed the woman in his house and then burned her body in his yard right next to his house why did he need to transport her body with the car?!? He could have simply carried her there 🤷♀️ 15.Avery’s nephew is basically mentally challenged and does not understand what is going on at all times, he simply does not comprehend the gravity of this whole situation, if he was part of this tragic event he surely would remember or he would still be traumatised by it, but he is not, he’s been force fed what to say, but due to his limited capacities he keep changing the stories because he does not know which one to tell, he’s definitely not admissible in court, this witness should not even be accepted in this trial at all. 15.Strangely the victim’s ex boyfriend was NEVER investigated!! Something that should always be done in any case of murder or disappearance. 16.The ex boyfriend had access to the victim’s phone voicemails password and he could be the one that actually deleted the messages on the day of her disappearance. 16.The ex boyfriend conducted the researches as if she was already dead from day one,why he did not take in consideration that she could still be alive ?!? Did he already know something?!? 17.The ex boyfriend gave a camera to the woman assigned to search Avery’s property ONLY, basically leading her there🤔and somehow with all the thousands of cars in Avery’s property she manages to bump straight into the victim’s car first time round. 18.The ex boyfriend can’t remember events clearly, he is very vague about time frames and dates.🤔🤔 19.The ex boyfriend even managed to hack the victim’s phone inbound and outbound calls, which is something very very strange who does that?!?and how does he do that?!? 20.The victim had a stalker that was threatening and pestering her with calls and txts for weeks prior to her disappearance but nobody has actually ever checked who the phone number belonged to or who this person might was. 21.Police never even thought about following this lead because they all wanted it to be Avery so bad that they have concentrated all their attentions towards Avery’s ONLY!! 22.The ex boyfriend and the victim’s brother where the only two people to know the victims phone voicemail password. 23.The ex boyfriend already knows how to hack her phone. 24.The ex boyfriend has a motive because the victim left him and was living with his best friend, but this was NEVER EVER looked into😨 25.The police had a big evident dislike towards Avery due to his past and prior convictions, they saw all the very skeptical evidence leading to Avery, they have tried to frame him because he was the most gullible person in the whole county and they where due to pay him a BIG COMPENSATION, they where desperate to shift the attention from their wrongdoings and corruptions allegations in handling of Avery’s previous case.Soon after Avery’s arrest the compensation case was dropped !! by framing Avery’s they managed to AVOID PAYING Avery his big compensation money !! Is a win win situation isn’t it ?!? How convenient is that?!?too convenient I’d say 😑 26.The police officer phone call to the dispatch line two days prior to the victim’s car discovery was clear evidence that victim was found there and then, he sounded like he just found her car but when questioned in court, it was clear as day that he was lying like there was no tomorrow. 27.The victim ex boyfriend knew all of this since it was basically plastered all over the news and he took advantage of this situation and dumped the body and the car in Avery’s property or the police found the victim and the car and planted it into Avery’s property because they did not have anybody else to blame. 28.Bare in mind that Avery’s property is HUUGE with countless amounts of cars, anyone could have easily entered his property without being noticed. I am sorry for my English I wish I could explain it better but I am convinced about this, it is all too sketchy I wish that the ex boyfriend could be closely investigated, he was acting very very weirdly when questioned and I think they should all shift their attention to him, I am sure something will definitely come out of it. This case is so sad, this case is full of discrepancies throughout, the whole county department is corrupted to the chore, they will never give Avery a fair trial, it is clear that even the judge is in it. I hope that the truth will eventually come out and this poor man and his family could one day finally enjoy their lives, I feel so sorry for his parents too, the police did everything they could to separate him from his girlfriend and break his family apart. They accused him and considered him guilty from day one!! What happened to the anyone considered innocent until proven guilty?!? Avery was clearly denied this privilege.
people aren't educated on confessing about these things and what you don't need to tell the police especially with someone with a learning disability that must be very difficult for him to even understand and on top of that him not even understanding he probably doesn't even know what guilty and not guilty means at that age when he was first question and I feel so bad for him.
I know right he was so confused because he thought he was going to leave that day and finish a school project at 6th period. He had no idea what was going on poor kid. it's like they were trying to brainwash and manipulate a kid with a learning disability
Yep. That was the scene where went, okay you don't have to be a Mensa member to realize this kid has not a goddamn clue of what is going on. If those cops had any sense or regard for true justice they should have stopped right there and gone... okay let's get his mom or a lawyer in here. I mean my god the kid just asked if he's going to get back to 6th period after 'confessing' to murder. Btw, what jury on Earth watches that interrogation tape and still thinks the kid is guilty? What happened to cooberating evidence? Brendan says he killed her in Avery's room... but there is no blood anywhere. The dude lives like a hoarder how exactly would he have cleaned every drop of blood from a brutal slaying with being stabbed and shot while tied to a bed?
This whole story reviles how trustworthy the criminal justice system is. At the same time it’s good to see there are still good caring people out there who have there backs.
Rebecca Orange he thought he was going back to school to finish his project because the officers who questioned him told him he could go back after he told them what they wanted to know, they told him he wouldn’t go to jail if he told them what his uncle did and look what happened? It’s all on video they stitched him up good and proper! And here we are two years later and he’s still behind bars even though his conviction was overturned and thrown out. What’s the deal with that?
ok listen to this: 1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood. 2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who is actually mentally challenged, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this. 3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!? 4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance. 5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene. 6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔 7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property. 8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔 9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile. 10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak. 11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood. 12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth. 13.The victim’s s blood is found in her car ONLY!! and even the county police agrees that the blood marks on the car are a clear sign of transport, bare in mind that the police did NOT have access to the victim’s blood, that’s why it was never ever found in any other place!! 14.If Avery killed the woman in his house and then burned her body in his yard right next to his house why did he need to transport her body with the car?!? He could have simply carried her there 🤷♀️ 15.Avery’s nephew is basically mentally challenged and does not understand what is going on at all times, he simply does not comprehend the gravity of this whole situation, if he was part of this tragic event he surely would remember or he would still be traumatised by it, but he is not, he’s been force fed what to say, but due to his limited capacities he keep changing the stories because he does not know which one to tell, he’s definitely not admissible in court, this witness should not even be accepted in this trial at all. 15.Strangely the victim’s ex boyfriend was NEVER investigated!! Something that should always be done in any case of murder or disappearance. 16.The ex boyfriend had access to the victim’s phone voicemails password and he could be the one that actually deleted the messages on the day of her disappearance. 16.The ex boyfriend conducted the researches as if she was already dead from day one,why he did not take in consideration that she could still be alive ?!? Did he already know something?!? 17.The ex boyfriend gave a camera to the woman assigned to search Avery’s property ONLY, basically leading her there🤔and somehow with all the thousands of cars in Avery’s property she manages to bump straight into the victim’s car first time round. 18.The ex boyfriend can’t remember events clearly, he is very vague about time frames and dates.🤔🤔 19.The ex boyfriend even managed to hack the victim’s phone inbound and outbound calls, which is something very very strange who does that?!?and how does he do that?!? 20.The victim had a stalker that was threatening and pestering her with calls and txts for weeks prior to her disappearance but nobody has actually ever checked who the phone number belonged to or who this person might was. 21.Police never even thought about following this lead because they all wanted it to be Avery so bad that they have concentrated all their attentions towards Avery’s ONLY!! 22.The ex boyfriend and the victim’s brother where the only two people to know the victims phone voicemail password. 23.The ex boyfriend already knows how to hack her phone. 24.The ex boyfriend has a motive because the victim left him and was living with his best friend, but this was NEVER EVER looked into😨 25.The police had a big evident dislike towards Avery due to his past and prior convictions, they saw all the very skeptical evidence leading to Avery, they have tried to frame him because he was the most gullible person in the whole county and they where due to pay him a BIG COMPENSATION, they where desperate to shift the attention from their wrongdoings and corruptions allegations in handling of Avery’s previous case.Soon after Avery’s arrest the compensation case was dropped !! by framing Avery’s they managed to AVOID PAYING Avery his big compensation money !! Is a win win situation isn’t it ?!? How convenient is that?!?too convenient I’d say 😑 26.The police officer phone call to the dispatch line two days prior to the victim’s car discovery was clear evidence that victim was found there and then, he sounded like he just found her car but when questioned in court, it was clear as day that he was lying like there was no tomorrow. 27.The victim ex boyfriend knew all of this since it was basically plastered all over the news and he took advantage of this situation and dumped the body and the car in Avery’s property or the police found the victim and the car and planted it into Avery’s property because they did not have anybody else to blame. 28.Bare in mind that Avery’s property is HUUGE with countless amounts of cars, anyone could have easily entered his property without being noticed. I am sorry for my English I wish I could explain it better but I am convinced about this, it is all too sketchy I wish that the ex boyfriend could be closely investigated, he was acting very very weirdly when questioned and I think they should all shift their attention to him, I am sure something will definitely come out of it. This case is so sad, this case is full of discrepancies throughout, the whole county department is corrupted to the chore, they will never give Avery a fair trial, it is clear that even the judge is in it. I hope that the truth will eventually come out and this poor man and his family could one day finally enjoy their lives, I feel so sorry for his parents too, the police did everything they could to separate him from his girlfriend and break his family apart. They accused him and considered him guilty from day one!! What happened to the anyone considered innocent until proven guilty?!? Avery was clearly denied this privilege.
ElectricGuitar666X happy to oblige! True tho. Not being mean. They really have to fix the idea that you can incriminate yourself with a confession that doesn't match any forensic probability. If you slit someone's throat in a room, that's not something you can make disappear on a forensic level. Getting a conviction for mutilating a body without any physical evidence is fucking insanity.
He's probably traumatised and doesn't have the energy to respond. Try some empathy for a bit it will make the world less confusing if you think for just a little bit
what kind of compensation do these wrongfully convicted people get? They should get a respectable middle class wage for every year they were imprisoned in my opinion. At the least..
+brickfilm maker well I hope you carry that same logic when you purchase a faulty appliance. Would you still use the warranty available or say fuck it, I love it when I get screwed. Dimwit
Dassey's "confession" was the only reason that Avery got convicted... Without Brendan's confession, Avery should go free...you know...since there is not one thing pinning him to that murder
Watсccch Mаking а Murderer onlinе in hd quality here => twitter.com/6a6cdc54b348be43a/status/795841188112658432 Mаking a Murderer Brendan Dassey s Conviction Overturnеd
He breached professional ethics in these cases. Unforgivable in the circumstances of a young and intellectually limited defendant . The police took unfair and unethical advantages.
You have that shit right just let netflix do a one sided documentary wait its not a documentary since it only tells one side of the story and makes it look like these 2 have been railroaded so netflix sure is a good lawyer
I am so glad for Brendan Dassey. That "confession" was so painful to watch, his attorney beyond incompetent and there wasn't a spot of blood found in that trailer bedroom where her throat was cut?! Doesn't a confession have to match the facts of the case or forensics?
Yeah but imagine how psychologically messed up he is right now. Being in prison for 9 years at a young age isn't easy to say the least. Poor kid. Missed out on a lot especially Wrestlemania when it wasn't bad. I hope those cops get what they deserve.
+stok3d99 There is not a single shred of evidence connecting him to that crime besides that confession. If his dumb ass would have just said, on that first HS visit "uh... do I need a lawyer?" he simply would not be in prison. Having that confession thrown out is not a "technicality" it is the sole piece of evidence that they have; it's the ENTIRE case. ALL of the physical evidence contradicts almost everything he said.
+tarstarkusz you realize he is learning disabled, right?? your comment shows who the true idiot is here. he had no clue about his right to a lawyer and the jack ass cops and detectives knew he didn't know about his rights. even if they read his Miranda rights, he isn't able to understand what it means.
That was what started this. Steven was sueing them for being wrongly convicted the first time. It wouldn't surprise me if it was the law in that town that killed Teresa, just so they could set him up and Brendan just got dragged along.
Chyna Green Unlikely, the biggest theory is that it was actually Bobby who killed Therese due to his search history indicating he frequently watched snuff and violent pornography. The police didn't kill Therese, but they let her killer walk so they could get Avery. Their pride was more important than properly solving the case.
I never refer to it as "Brendon's confession" anymore. I refer to it as "The story that Fassbender and Weigert tricked Brendon into parroting". These two guys pulled Brendon out of school, not suspecting a thing. They lied to his mother (she waited in another room while her son was set up) telling her she could not be present. They supposedly questioned Brendon to get the truth, but wouldn't accept the truth instead substituting their lies. Brendon was Steven Avery's biggest alibi. By making Brendon an accomplice, they effectively destroyed Steven's only alibi. This is "Tampering with a witness" which is a felony. Add that to the list of unconscionable acts the MCSD and Ken Kratz have done.
The scumbag prosecutor fucked this entire case up. They're are serious issues with chain of custody, evidence procedures, and so many conflicts of interest that I believe Avery should be freed on this alone. They obviously railroaded him the first time and this can't be counted on to provide justice afterwards.
That mini doc that they had on Netflix proved (to me) that the police will intentionally destroy someone's (especially, to the young and naive) life just in order not to do their job significantly and thoroughly. So, what does or would this mean for? Steven Avery. At the time he (Brendan) was manipulated into confession.
Sad thing is Brendan wasn't just a naive kid, he was a special needs kid. The fact that people --- especially the people who are supposed to protect you, take advantage of a mentally disabled child. I cried like a baby the way they coerced his "confession" like that. It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.
you both have some serious issues he might have been special needs but not mentally challenged and this decision will be overturned and he will continue to rot for what he did
Cynthia Farnsworth The deaf can sense that Brendan had (then) mental development issues. It's not to say he was stupid, yet, he wasn't smart either, as Awesome zebra put it he was a teen with "special needs". A typical 16 years old would have been much more emotional. Brendan was detached from the whole situation because he couldn't mentally understand or even answer those that took advantage of him, properly. You are upset that he was taken advantage of... well, that isn't our fault, we saw he was being used to get their "bigger fish". Now it's either they charge him or let him go... they have 80 some odd days left.
Have you watched the documentary and his so-called "confession"? He was coerced and manipulated into it. He was a minor who was picked up from school and taken to the police station without his mom's knowledge or consent and with no lawyer present.
the kid is innocent...he was looking forward to doing his project..if he did something wrong he wouldn't even say that ohh what time will we be done cause i gotta do my project ...that's called clean conscience right there...
Brendan's mother was a massive idiot! Imagine telling your son to sign away his Miranda rights. You never ever do that. He will pay for that mistake for the rest of his life!
Poor Brenden. So glad he is getting out. Glad he is still young, but he still lost a lot of years. He matured behind bars. Poor kid. I have a feeling Steven will never get out. Sucks for that poor man, too.
Jessica Jimenez he didn’t get out. The AG of Wisconsin filed a motion to reverse the federal judge and guess what. They got their wish....he’s still locked up
Even if he is out though, he still won't come out of it on the good end. There's still going to be many people who believe he's guilty, he probably won't get a job anywhere decent, and he would still be subject to harassment.
Is there something wrong with these prosecutors and cops and judges ,any normal human being can see that they where tricking poor Brendan to say all these horrible things so they could frame his uncle Steven .
ok listen to this: 1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood. 2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who is actually mentally challenged, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this. 3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!? 4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance. 5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene. 6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔 7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property. 8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔 9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile. 10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak. 11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood. 12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth. 13.The victim’s s blood is found in her car ONLY!! and even the county police agrees that the blood marks on the car are a clear sign of transport, bare in mind that the police did NOT have access to the victim’s blood, that’s why it was never ever found in any other place!! 14.If Avery killed the woman in his house and then burned her body in his yard right next to his house why did he need to transport her body with the car?!? He could have simply carried her there 🤷♀️ 15.Avery’s nephew is basically mentally challenged and does not understand what is going on at all times, he simply does not comprehend the gravity of this whole situation, if he was part of this tragic event he surely would remember or he would still be traumatised by it, but he is not, he’s been force fed what to say, but due to his limited capacities he keep changing the stories because he does not know which one to tell, he’s definitely not admissible in court, this witness should not even be accepted in this trial at all. 15.Strangely the victim’s ex boyfriend was NEVER investigated!! Something that should always be done in any case of murder or disappearance. 16.The ex boyfriend had access to the victim’s phone voicemails password and he could be the one that actually deleted the messages on the day of her disappearance. 16.The ex boyfriend conducted the researches as if she was already dead from day one,why he did not take in consideration that she could still be alive ?!? Did he already know something?!? 17.The ex boyfriend gave a camera to the woman assigned to search Avery’s property ONLY, basically leading her there🤔and somehow with all the thousands of cars in Avery’s property she manages to bump straight into the victim’s car first time round. 18.The ex boyfriend can’t remember events clearly, he is very vague about time frames and dates.🤔🤔 19.The ex boyfriend even managed to hack the victim’s phone inbound and outbound calls, which is something very very strange who does that?!?and how does he do that?!? 20.The victim had a stalker that was threatening and pestering her with calls and txts for weeks prior to her disappearance but nobody has actually ever checked who the phone number belonged to or who this person might was. 21.Police never even thought about following this lead because they all wanted it to be Avery so bad that they have concentrated all their attentions towards Avery’s ONLY!! 22.The ex boyfriend and the victim’s brother where the only two people to know the victims phone voicemail password. 23.The ex boyfriend already knows how to hack her phone. 24.The ex boyfriend has a motive because the victim left him and was living with his best friend, but this was NEVER EVER looked into😨 25.The police had a big evident dislike towards Avery due to his past and prior convictions, they saw all the very skeptical evidence leading to Avery, they have tried to frame him because he was the most gullible person in the whole county and they where due to pay him a BIG COMPENSATION, they where desperate to shift the attention from their wrongdoings and corruptions allegations in handling of Avery’s previous case.Soon after Avery’s arrest the compensation case was dropped !! by framing Avery’s they managed to AVOID PAYING Avery his big compensation money !! Is a win win situation isn’t it ?!? How convenient is that?!?too convenient I’d say 😑 26.The police officer phone call to the dispatch line two days prior to the victim’s car discovery was clear evidence that victim was found there and then, he sounded like he just found her car but when questioned in court, it was clear as day that he was lying like there was no tomorrow. 27.The victim ex boyfriend knew all of this since it was basically plastered all over the news and he took advantage of this situation and dumped the body and the car in Avery’s property or the police found the victim and the car and planted it into Avery’s property because they did not have anybody else to blame. 28.Bare in mind that Avery’s property is HUUGE with countless amounts of cars, anyone could have easily entered his property without being noticed. I am sorry for my English I wish I could explain it better but I am convinced about this, it is all too sketchy I wish that the ex boyfriend could be closely investigated, he was acting very very weirdly when questioned and I think they should all shift their attention to him, I am sure something will definitely come out of it. This case is so sad, this case is full of discrepancies throughout, the whole county department is corrupted to the chore, they will never give Avery a fair trial, it is clear that even the judge is in it. I hope that the truth will eventually come out and this poor man and his family could one day finally enjoy their lives, I feel so sorry for his parents too, the police did everything they could to separate him from his girlfriend and break his family apart. They accused him and considered him guilty from day one!! What happened to the anyone considered innocent until proven guilty?!? Avery was clearly denied this privilege.
@Werewolffy Here goes.. I might not have time go through all of these but we'll see. 1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood. In the garage. The truth is that we don't know what happened in his trailer. That's just the way it goes sometimes. The initial focus of the investigation was on the trailer, it wasn't until much later that the focus became the garage in large part due to new information from Dassey. A large area in the garage reacted to luminol, suggesting a clean up attempt was made there. Brendan testified that Avery asked him to help clean up a patch of "dark red liquid" from the garage with bleach, paint thinner and gasoline. His bleach-stained pants were even entered into evidence. People expect blood & semen to everywhere, and this case is questioned because it does not conform to their CSI fantasy of what a crime scene should look like. There doesn't always have to be blood. As for the lack of spatter, it's entirely plausible in this case that there would be no splatter due to the low caliber (22.) bullet that Avery used, studies on this caliber have concluded that forward and back splatter may be entirely absent. I would also mention that amongst Teresa's burnt remains, eyelets were found which would suggest that a tarp was used. 2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who actually looks retarded, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this. Correct, which is why Avery left a trail of evidence back to him. 3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!? Yes, he did have the machinery to do it & it's plausible that he might have been waiting for an opportunity to do so. If you look into the process of crushing a vehicle, it's not as simple and quick as you first imagine. You can't just drive the vehicle into the crusher. Parts have to be disconnected, dismantled, liquids have to be drained, the car has to be lifted up for the tyre's to be removed etc. It's a long process, not to mention the noise. Avery's brother would have heard the crusher at night as it's close to his house, so he would have certainly investigated at that time. Why did he leave the car on his property? It would have been a huge risk. What if he was seen driving the vehicle? Remember also, wherever he would have decided to dump the car, he would of had to walk back. If he was noticed by anyone at all, it would be game over. Most killers do not have the luxury of a salvage yard of a few thousand cars in their backyard. The most likely explanation is that he left the car where he thought would be best, disconnected the battery (leaving his DNA on the hood latch), covered up, and kept the key for when he had the opportunity to dispose of the car. 4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance. Yes he was, did you know he initially denied having the fire? 5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene. Incorrect, just the filmmakers misrepresenting the evidence again. No additional burn sites with Teresa's remains were found. All experts agreed that Steven's burn pit was the likely location where Teresa's body was burnt. 6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔 Again, the filmmakers are to blame. If you read the testimonies this all becomes clear the events were not as you describe them. The different searches in each part of the property had different objectives, some were very brief searches, some were longer. Avery's trailer for example: the first search was a general search to find evidence of Teresa, another search was to spray luminol, another was to search the computer, one search was to retrieve items previously noted in a previous search, one search was called off until the next day due to bad weather.Control of the operation was indeed handed over to Calumet county, but Manitowoc officers were not "banned" from assisting Calumet, in fact, Calumet asked Manitowoc officers with the training to assist in the searches. 7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property. Incorrect. The forensic technician contaminated the test sample with her own saliva when she was talking to her students. The actual wash sample from the bullet, however, was not contaminated and contained Teresa's DNA. 8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔 The key is difficult for both the prosecution and the defense. Difficult for the prosecution due to the circumstances of how it was found by Lenk and Colburn (who, by the way, were not actually in any way culpable in Steven's lawsuit) as the key would have had to have fallen from behind the bookcase. That's all. As for Teresa's DNA missing from the key, the forensic experts stated that when an object like this passes from one person to another, it is not out of the ordinary for the previous owners DNA to be degraded, removed and replaced. It should be noted that Buting, and the defense investigator who remarks this as absurd in the documentary have no scientific expertise on the matter. As previously mentioned, it's entirely plausible that Avery may have had the intention of moving the vehicle at a later date and kept the key. He may have cleaned the key (might have gotten more of his own blood on it) before hiding it in the back of the bookcase. "9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile." Sort of previously answered, and not based in any sort of science so pointless to answer. "10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak." A blood pattern expert from the state crime lab examined the blood in the car and concluded them to be passive stains and transfer stains consistent with what would be expected from an actively bleeding wound. Avery had a fresh, fairly deep gash on his right middle finger at the time. "11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood. " A complete dud by the filmmakers that they never addressed again after that episode. In fact, the defense never even brought it up at the trial. It turns out that the seal was broken because Avery's previous defense lawyers had opened the case previously to help exonerate him for the rape charge. There was a hole in the top of the container as that's how the blood is transferred into the tube in the first place. "12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth. " The blood was tested and found to be EDTA-free. The blood did not come from the vial, despite the defenses bests attempt to discredit the test that was done. Even Zellner's (Steve's current lawyer working for him) own experts have abandoned the theory of the blood coming from the vial, and are desperately pursuing new theories as to how whoever supposedly did the planting was able to obtain fresh Steve Avery blood and able to fool the blood pattern experts. Seems I've hit the character limit, so I hope that's enough to satisfy you for the time being :)
Alex thank you for taking the time in answering my comment, it is interesting to hear other points of views, unfortunately I am not as well documented as you, I have made my conclusions based on the netflix documentaries only. However I still strongly agree that the police county of Milwaukee ( I don’t know if it’s spelled correctly) is corrupted to the chore. I want to know why the victim’s brother was never investigated, I would like to know if you have any infos on that too. Where did you get all of your informations from?! If you don’t mind me asking I would like to see them too.
You probably won't get any more out of Alex as it's almost impossible to rebutt ALL your points without looking like an absolute fools head. He's probably Lenk's mother in disguise or some shit 😂😂 but seriously, the whole lot of the bastards look like the biggest crooks. Katz, Lenk, Eugene what's his face Mr sketch artist who thinks his drawing from a police file pic trumps DNA evidence that exonerated Avery. The whole damn thing is a farce of the highest order. I can't wait to watch season 2. Peace out dude x
This just shows you how fucked up the justice system is as he won his appeal to be released. Yet in comes the Wisconsin Justice Department who care more about not wanting to look like they were wrong than they care about making sure they got something correct. So even when he wins his appeal to be released Justice Apartment was able to appeal that and make it so 3 judges instead of one would decide his fate. Those 3 judges upheld the decision to allow for him to be released so at this point he's won twice. But ohh no here comes the Justice Department again petitioning to have a 3rd hearing this time with 7 judges to decide his fate and they voted 4-3 to keep him locked away. Just so dumb that you can win your freedom twice yet Justice Department can just keep on trying again and again to get the outcome the want.
I felt so bad for the kid while I watched his trial.. specially the part where he is locked up and says.. "'I wanna watch wrestle mania tomorrow He did not even realise what situation he was in... :(
The detectives that coerced him to say lies should be in prison. They're trying to say that you're SUPPOSED to interrogate people like this. Brendan and Steven are INNOCENT.
I pray for justice for Theresa Halbach, Steven Avery and Brendan, I cannot wait for that day when they are all free! It's very sickening to see such a corrupt system from a cop all the way up to Supreme judges, shame on all who denied their rights. The truth always comes out, and that will be a scary day for those who were against. Such a tragic story but I have faith Kathleen and her amazing team will bring justice! I also pray for Stevens parents the broken hearts they carry is so unbearable, you can see the pain and hurt in their eyes as they grow older. I pray for Barb because the truth may actually be worst than she could ever imagine.
Why do people want him to be innocent so badly - so much so they ignore evidence? Go listen to Dasseys FULL interrogation. You won’t think he’s innocent after hearing that.
The police at first tried to get Averys girlfriend to say Avery did it when it didnt work they went after Brendan and interviewed him 4 times for over 3 hours, with no adult present during interviews and manipulated him then because Brendan didn't understand said "you shot her in the head didn't you" Kachinsky should be removed from the bar
The sad thing is even though his conviction was overturned. Those crooked cops made sure he stayed in prison. I hope that someday those cops get prosecuted to the fullest for what they did to these guys
It’s appalling how the police handled this case. They just forced a confession out of a kid and tried to take his life away. Shit like this RUINS lives. Shady shit like this happens more often probably we just don’t hear about it.
what can of county is this because the same jud is in charge of the trial and then he appears to be again in the appeal and his lawyer ho Lord have mercy if those are the ones that get to be on your side you don't need prosecutors is just like a nightmare
During the police interrogation of Brendan Dasey he said that Avery stabbed her. The officers say "come on now be honest, something about the head". Dasey sits there for minutes with a confused look on his face and eventually said "he cut off her hair". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he punched her". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he cut her throat" and the officers say "what else happens to her in her head", (THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE SAID WHAT HAPPENED TO HER HEAD - DASEY HAS NEVER OFFERED UP INFORMATION ABOUT DAMAGE TO TARESA'S HEAD ON HIS OWN) by this stage Dasey clearly looks to me like he is thinking, what do they want me to say. The officers say repeatedly "what else" as Dasey sits there with a confused look. Dasey then said "that's all I can remember". The officer then said and I quote "ok then I'm just gunna come right out and ask you, who shot her in the head" and Dasey replies instantly "he did". I mean this is the most blatant coercion you could ever possibly witness, how can anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence view this as a concrete confession from a 16 year old boy with a low IQ. The officers literally created the narrative for Dasey to say "HE DID" I mean it's just beyond comprehension that this was admissible. Plus he also asks the officer if he will be released by 1:30 because he has a project due at school, so it is clear that he has no idea that he is confessing and will go to jail so he is just telling them what they want to hear to get out of there as quickly as he can. He has no idea of the consequences of his words.
Just like the West Memphis 3....awful...this poor boy should probably be in a group home for the mentally disabled. This young man being coerced is DISGUSTING! As a US Navy Submarine veteran trying to be a Police Officer, this makes me so sick. Im not saying the show is fully true. Its television. However, neither one of the defendants should be behind bars.
I felt the same way after I watched the Netflix Documentary. I saw many similarities between this case and The West Memphis Three case shown in the HBO documentaries Paradise Lost 1, 2, and 3
I didn't think there was enough to convict either Steven Averys or his Nephew. I strongly believe that evidence was planted. And that the real killer(s) are still out there
+Lauren Nunez I have this weird feeling her ex boyfriend was involved. How many stories have you heard/read about the "nice" ex?! And the fact he made up a screen name and GUESSED her password?! A little fishy to me.
+Nicholas Vandal I feel the same way. The very first moment I saw her ex on the documentary, I just got a strong feeling something was up with him. I don't even think he was ever a suspect either. Remember when, during the Steven Avery court case, that this man (forgot his name) was on the stand, stating that Theresa was complaining of receiving these phone calls. How she seemed upset over them.. Knowing who the person was. But it was never said or even checked who was making these calls to her. Also, her ex knew that her last client was Steven Avery. Her brother even stated on the stand that with Steven Avery's background and being the last client that day, that his property should be checked. I think the murderer(s) knew about Steven Avery's background and took full advantage of the situation at hand. I think the murderer(s) got extremely lucky with the police planting evidence too.
+Nicholas Vandal i think it was the victims brother. He was very cold. And he had alot to do with finding the car and even offered a camera to the person who found it. So he directed the person right to the car, gave her a camera, deleted voicemails off of her account by hacking into it,.. Nobody really thinks about him tho. He wanted the blame on these two, just as much as the police. Very suspicious, imo.
Sad part is he really did confess but didn’t want to tell on Bobby. If you watch the full length and not the Netflix he says “he was teed off because she wouldn’t put his Blazer in the ads” Bobby drove a Blazer.
The court circuit first upheld this decision. It was a panel of 3 Judges. The vote was 2-1. Then someone from the DOJ asked for an en banc hearing (involving all the Judges in the circuit). They upheld the conviction in a 4-3 vote. So, he´s still in jail. from wikipedia: In June 2017, a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit upheld the magistrate's decision to overturn Dassey's conviction.[42] Judge Ilana Rovner, joined by Judge Ann Claire Williams, affirmed, over the dissent of Judge David Hamilton.[43][44] On July 5th, the Wisconsin Department of Justice submitted a petition requesting a rehearing en banc-by the entire 7th Circuit panel.[45] On August 4th 2017, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals granted the State of Wisconsin’s request for an en banc hearing with oral arguments set for September 26th in Chicago before a full panel of sitting judges.[46] On December 8, 2017, the full en banc Seventh Circuit upheld Dassey's conviction by a vote of 4-3, with the majority finding that the police had properly obtained Dassey's confession.[47][48] Judge Hamilton's majority opinion was joined by Judges Frank H. Easterbrook, Michael Stephen Kanne, and Diane S. Sykes. Chief Judge Diane Wood and Judge Rovner both wrote dissents, joined by Judge Williams.[49]
I wonder how many people on here know, that this decision by the federal judge to over turn his conviction.. didn't actually come thru!! The damn state of Wisconsin of course, appealed that judge's decision.. so then there had to get 3 different Courts involved to then all unanimously decide the same verdict as to whether they let him out. And they didnt.. the 3 courts kept the state's original verdict and so he lost that appeal. Now poor thing has lost his highest appeals process smdh.. he's out of moves, doesn't have any appeals left after this last one, the United States supreme court fucking denied him! Smfh... I PRAY for him and people alike.. the average, hard working class Americans.. that this could happen to any one of us! God help us all! Justice reform needs to come NOW!!
I watched it all and thought it was a stitch up. Poor men have lost so many years of their lives if this is the case. And those who stitcehd them up should be put away but they probably never will, too many cover ups for one another. The law stinks at times. Shame on you if these two men are really innoccent. And that's how it looks.
The golden rule when being interrogated by the police is to request a lawyer/attorney from the moment you are arrested. Until your appointed lawyer/attorney arrives at the police station you answer 'No Comment' to any question they might ask of you. Other than confirming your name, address and date of birth if asked to do so. From then on your lawyer must be present at every interrogation/interview the police seek to have with you. If you choose to go it alone every single time you open your mouth you will be digging your own grave! As the saying goes - " Least said - soonest mended"
I was very happy to see he answererd positively in his 2nd court appereance. I was praying tht he will recall and reply with confidence. This is all becoz he had time not like very first day when police grilled him and made him .
I think he was involved. Here's why, when he is asked where he came up with the story of the murder, he replied he had read it in a book. This kid was a 10th grade student with a 4th grade reading level. There is no possible way this kid read anything that graphic, and violent in a 4th grade level book. It is also strange that after the alleged crime was committed he wouldn't eat couldn't sleep and lost a bunch of weight. In the series making a murder his mother even describes her sons strange behavior. People dont just act like that for no reason. Especially a person who leads a quite normal life in a rural environment. In conclusion something drastically changed this child's perspective enough to physically change his behavior and appearance. I watched the documentary and read several articles online about this case, and I'm just not convinced that the suspects are innocent. That's all I have to say about that- Forest Gump
amazing documentary, amazing because it left a lot of facts out, like the guy calling her three times, he had her phone, her blood in his house. Just because this confession was improper, it didnt mean he was innocent
The problem with this case is there is no credible evidence to show they did what the prosecution claimed. Also what the prosecution claimed makes zero sense. If Avery had murdered this poor girl he would have known her appointment with him was known by others, he would have expected her to be reported missing immediately, he would have been expecting the cops to arrive at any time. The last thing he would have done is attempt to burn her body.
If he was a sophomore in high school so must of been a minor and had special needs as well so he shouldn’t of never been questioned without a legal guardian in the first place
wouldn't it be something if Teresa Halbach could come back and tell everybody what actually happened to her? I don't know who killed her, but I know it wasn't Steven. I just KNOW it wasn't.
How can human beings still walk and talk? Dassey confessed in detail. We should make judges accountable when they spit these far fetched rulings and overturn conventions. Dassey played the system pretending to be dumber than he really was. Where is the outrage from people?? We as State Troopers with co.and city arrest the guilty and the judges and lawyers plea deal and make outrageous rulings even when found guilty. Playing stupid is what the judge did! Cannot believe the public sitting silently while a convicted murder walks free. Remember now,Dassey was not found innocent to be released.. Let the lawyers and judge take turns letting dassey live with them now.
It ehould be put into a law that you cannot interrogate a minor without an attorney present. Period. WM3, Making a Murderer both cases ended up with wrong people behind bars because of coerced 'confessions' from mentally challenged minors. Insane
This young man's story doesn't add up, he said they slit her throat in the bedroom yet NOT one speck of her DNA was found in the house, not even on the Key that was planted by the MCSO people.. Sad to see this kind of framing by police..
I am beyond sick how Law Enforcement gets away with stuff like this. My Uncle lost a total of 29 years for a murder he wasn't even on the same side of Anderson, Indiana at the time of the murder. There was nothing what-so-ever putting him there. The biggest problem was it happened to be a big election, the Judge and the DA both were up for reelection. They both lost that year, for my uncle case made its way into True Detective Magazine along with others as well. Once he did get out after 29 years he died when he reared into the back of a Frito-Lay semi right outside Warner Robins Air Force Base in his small Toyota Pickup 5 years later. I am the holder of his ashes along with his story that he wrote while in the Indiana State Prison along with a few others that he has written but I just keep them locked away. May he finally found peace. I am truly sorry for what this family went through and no matter what happens now just cherish the time y'all have.
All court appointed attorneys have the same strategy. They tell the accused to plead guilty. It happened to me for a minor misdemeanor. I told the drunkard attorney I would represent myself. I did and was found not guilty. BTW, the cops lied all through the trial. This is the way real world works, folks.
Just to imagine how many people could be in prison because of coerced confessions makes me sick!
there's actually a programme on Netflix called the confession tapes, it's about false confessions. I watched one episode and then was too cross to watch the rest
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not all are real but the government is a commercial corporation they get their money back as many ways as possible. Also don't believe imprisonment ever costs them money I think they make heck of a lot more creating criminals.
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now they need to put the detectives and his former lawyer behind bars, for life
why is everyone changing there logo to the letters
Because you're stupid
I think this happens naturally when people don't have a profile picture
Dont forget that putrid prosecutor.
COOKIEMONSTER Morgsn Lol.. You can't be that dumb..
What's scary is how the Making A Murderer series brought this injustice to light and how he may still be in prison if not for the series and I also wonder all the other cases like this that get ignored.
***** >mfw you're sad enough to read 10k documents
+marc8533 hi marc ! i'm really interested in that, i'm italian and i'm trying to get more informations about this story even if i don't understand english very well . I really hope that they're guilty , and i do know that the documentary is not so transparent as it should be , but i still wonder about a thing : so much work to prove they are guilty , but no one to explain why the hell the test tube with avery's blood was open ? i mean this story is so controversial , i can't really get to a point
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fedelambert Why would you hope they're guilty?
+Marc8533 i love coming back to the comments who said they were both guilty just before them being released, i feel schadenfreude, it's delicious.
Steven Avery - 18 year - found innocent
Brendan Dassey - 10 year - found innocent
Someone give this family a fat check
They tried and got pinned with murder instead
But Avery is still in jail isn't he?
they tried thats why they were framed for this murder! Steve was supposed to get like 43 million and those crooked fucks were pissed!!!
they are still in jail yet.
+ Jesse Owen That statement is 1000% wrong. You really should do some research.
Watch the full interrogation. It was so obvious that the interragators were leading him. He didn't know any of the details until the interragators told him.
the only fact that the detective give away details known only by the police.
he is either incompetent or he did fram him in purpose.
if not in jail his place os certainly not on law enforcement.
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Hamfists Man ok listen to this:
1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood.
2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who is actually mentally challenged, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this.
3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!?
4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance.
5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene.
6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔
7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property.
8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔
9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile.
10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak.
11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood.
12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth.
13.The victim’s s blood is found in her car ONLY!! and even the county police agrees that the blood marks on the car are a clear sign of transport, bare in mind that the police did NOT have access to the victim’s blood, that’s why it was never ever found in any other place!!
14.If Avery killed the woman in his house and then burned her body in his yard right next to his house why did he need to transport her body with the car?!? He could have simply carried her there 🤷♀️
15.Avery’s nephew is basically mentally challenged and does not understand what is going on at all times, he simply does not comprehend the gravity of this whole situation, if he was part of this tragic event he surely would remember or he would still be traumatised by it, but he is not, he’s been force fed what to say, but due to his limited capacities he keep changing the stories because he does not know which one to tell, he’s definitely not admissible in court, this witness should not even be accepted in this trial at all.
15.Strangely the victim’s ex boyfriend was NEVER investigated!! Something that should always be done in any case of murder or disappearance.
16.The ex boyfriend had access to the victim’s phone voicemails password and he could be the one that actually deleted the messages on the day of her disappearance.
16.The ex boyfriend conducted the researches as if she was already dead from day one,why he did not take in consideration that she could still be alive ?!? Did he already know something?!?
17.The ex boyfriend gave a camera to the woman assigned to search Avery’s property ONLY, basically leading her there🤔and somehow with all the thousands of cars in Avery’s property she manages to bump straight into the victim’s car first time round.
18.The ex boyfriend can’t remember events clearly, he is very vague about time frames and dates.🤔🤔
19.The ex boyfriend even managed to hack the victim’s phone inbound and outbound calls, which is something very very strange who does that?!?and how does he do that?!?
20.The victim had a stalker that was threatening and pestering her with calls and txts for weeks prior to her disappearance but nobody has actually ever checked who the phone number belonged to or who this person might was.
21.Police never even thought about following this lead because they all wanted it to be Avery so bad that they have concentrated all their attentions towards Avery’s ONLY!!
22.The ex boyfriend and the victim’s brother where the only two people to know the victims phone voicemail password.
23.The ex boyfriend already knows how to hack her phone.
24.The ex boyfriend has a motive because the victim left him and was living with his best friend, but this was NEVER EVER looked into😨
25.The police had a big evident dislike towards Avery due to his past and prior convictions, they saw all the very skeptical evidence leading to Avery, they have tried to frame him because he was the most gullible person in the whole county and they where due to pay him a BIG COMPENSATION, they where desperate to shift the attention from their wrongdoings and corruptions allegations in handling of Avery’s previous case.Soon after Avery’s arrest the compensation case was dropped !! by framing Avery’s they managed to AVOID PAYING Avery his big compensation money !!
Is a win win situation isn’t it ?!?
How convenient is that?!?too convenient I’d say 😑
26.The police officer phone call to the dispatch line two days prior to the victim’s car discovery was clear evidence that victim was found there and then, he sounded like he just found her car but when questioned in court, it was clear as day that he was lying like there was no tomorrow.
27.The victim ex boyfriend knew all of this since it was basically plastered all over the news and he took advantage of this situation and dumped the body and the car in Avery’s property or the police found the victim and the car and planted it into Avery’s property because they did not have anybody else to blame.
28.Bare in mind that Avery’s property is HUUGE with countless amounts of cars, anyone could have easily entered his property without being noticed.
I am sorry for my English I wish I could explain it better but I am convinced about this, it is all too sketchy I wish that the ex boyfriend could be closely investigated, he was acting very very weirdly when questioned and I think they should all shift their attention to him, I am sure something will definitely come out of it. This case is so sad, this case is full of discrepancies throughout, the whole county department is corrupted to the chore, they will never give Avery a fair trial, it is clear that even the judge is in it. I hope that the truth will eventually come out and this poor man and his family could one day finally enjoy their lives, I feel so sorry for his parents too, the police did everything they could to separate him from his girlfriend and break his family apart. They accused him and considered him guilty from day one!! What happened to the anyone considered innocent until proven guilty?!? Avery was clearly denied this privilege.
Hamfists Man Its sad, that whole trial was a sham. The judge should go to prison too.
I did he is guilty
Was so uncomfortable watching them grill him
IT WAS AWFUL. IT GOT ME RIGHT IN THE HEART. These people need to pay.
people aren't educated on confessing about these things and what you don't need to tell the police especially with someone with a learning disability that must be very difficult for him to even understand and on top of that him not even understanding he probably doesn't even know what guilty and not guilty means at that age when he was first question and I feel so bad for him.
+Ballroomized I couldn't even watch it for a year. I still have not watched it all the way through. I cant
twelve98 i cried
What really hit me was when he said mom can u record wrestle mania so when i get home later i can watch it
This guy can probably barely figure out what shoe goes on what foot let alone kill someone. These police should be ASHAMED of themselves.
I know right he was so confused because he thought he was going to leave that day and finish a school project at 6th period. He had no idea what was going on poor kid. it's like they were trying to brainwash and manipulate a kid with a learning disability
Yep. That was the scene where went, okay you don't have to be a Mensa member to realize this kid has not a goddamn clue of what is going on. If those cops had any sense or regard for true justice they should have stopped right there and gone... okay let's get his mom or a lawyer in here. I mean my god the kid just asked if he's going to get back to 6th period after 'confessing' to murder. Btw, what jury on Earth watches that interrogation tape and still thinks the kid is guilty? What happened to cooberating evidence? Brendan says he killed her in Avery's room... but there is no blood anywhere. The dude lives like a hoarder how exactly would he have cleaned every drop of blood from a brutal slaying with being stabbed and shot while tied to a bed?
This whole story reviles how trustworthy the criminal justice system is. At the same time it’s good to see there are still good caring people out there who have there backs.
Rebecca Orange he thought he was going back to school to finish his project because the officers who questioned him told him he could go back after he told them what they wanted to know, they told him he wouldn’t go to jail if he told them what his uncle did and look what happened? It’s all on video they stitched him up good and proper! And here we are two years later and he’s still behind bars even though his conviction was overturned and thrown out. What’s the deal with that?
ok listen to this:
1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood.
2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who is actually mentally challenged, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this.
3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!?
4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance.
5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene.
6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔
7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property.
8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔
9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile.
10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak.
11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood.
12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth.
13.The victim’s s blood is found in her car ONLY!! and even the county police agrees that the blood marks on the car are a clear sign of transport, bare in mind that the police did NOT have access to the victim’s blood, that’s why it was never ever found in any other place!!
14.If Avery killed the woman in his house and then burned her body in his yard right next to his house why did he need to transport her body with the car?!? He could have simply carried her there 🤷♀️
15.Avery’s nephew is basically mentally challenged and does not understand what is going on at all times, he simply does not comprehend the gravity of this whole situation, if he was part of this tragic event he surely would remember or he would still be traumatised by it, but he is not, he’s been force fed what to say, but due to his limited capacities he keep changing the stories because he does not know which one to tell, he’s definitely not admissible in court, this witness should not even be accepted in this trial at all.
15.Strangely the victim’s ex boyfriend was NEVER investigated!! Something that should always be done in any case of murder or disappearance.
16.The ex boyfriend had access to the victim’s phone voicemails password and he could be the one that actually deleted the messages on the day of her disappearance.
16.The ex boyfriend conducted the researches as if she was already dead from day one,why he did not take in consideration that she could still be alive ?!? Did he already know something?!?
17.The ex boyfriend gave a camera to the woman assigned to search Avery’s property ONLY, basically leading her there🤔and somehow with all the thousands of cars in Avery’s property she manages to bump straight into the victim’s car first time round.
18.The ex boyfriend can’t remember events clearly, he is very vague about time frames and dates.🤔🤔
19.The ex boyfriend even managed to hack the victim’s phone inbound and outbound calls, which is something very very strange who does that?!?and how does he do that?!?
20.The victim had a stalker that was threatening and pestering her with calls and txts for weeks prior to her disappearance but nobody has actually ever checked who the phone number belonged to or who this person might was.
21.Police never even thought about following this lead because they all wanted it to be Avery so bad that they have concentrated all their attentions towards Avery’s ONLY!!
22.The ex boyfriend and the victim’s brother where the only two people to know the victims phone voicemail password.
23.The ex boyfriend already knows how to hack her phone.
24.The ex boyfriend has a motive because the victim left him and was living with his best friend, but this was NEVER EVER looked into😨
25.The police had a big evident dislike towards Avery due to his past and prior convictions, they saw all the very skeptical evidence leading to Avery, they have tried to frame him because he was the most gullible person in the whole county and they where due to pay him a BIG COMPENSATION, they where desperate to shift the attention from their wrongdoings and corruptions allegations in handling of Avery’s previous case.Soon after Avery’s arrest the compensation case was dropped !! by framing Avery’s they managed to AVOID PAYING Avery his big compensation money !!
Is a win win situation isn’t it ?!?
How convenient is that?!?too convenient I’d say 😑
26.The police officer phone call to the dispatch line two days prior to the victim’s car discovery was clear evidence that victim was found there and then, he sounded like he just found her car but when questioned in court, it was clear as day that he was lying like there was no tomorrow.
27.The victim ex boyfriend knew all of this since it was basically plastered all over the news and he took advantage of this situation and dumped the body and the car in Avery’s property or the police found the victim and the car and planted it into Avery’s property because they did not have anybody else to blame.
28.Bare in mind that Avery’s property is HUUGE with countless amounts of cars, anyone could have easily entered his property without being noticed.
I am sorry for my English I wish I could explain it better but I am convinced about this, it is all too sketchy I wish that the ex boyfriend could be closely investigated, he was acting very very weirdly when questioned and I think they should all shift their attention to him, I am sure something will definitely come out of it. This case is so sad, this case is full of discrepancies throughout, the whole county department is corrupted to the chore, they will never give Avery a fair trial, it is clear that even the judge is in it. I hope that the truth will eventually come out and this poor man and his family could one day finally enjoy their lives, I feel so sorry for his parents too, the police did everything they could to separate him from his girlfriend and break his family apart. They accused him and considered him guilty from day one!! What happened to the anyone considered innocent until proven guilty?!? Avery was clearly denied this privilege.
"So Brendan how does it feel to be free after 10 years?"
"Yeah"
I'm extremely hungover and the first part of your comment I seen was "he was literally retarded". Made my day.
ElectricGuitar666X happy to oblige! True tho. Not being mean.
They really have to fix the idea that you can incriminate yourself with a confession that doesn't match any forensic probability. If you slit someone's throat in a room, that's not something you can make disappear on a forensic level. Getting a conviction for mutilating a body without any physical evidence is fucking insanity.
He's probably traumatised and doesn't have the energy to respond. Try some empathy for a bit it will make the world less confusing if you think for just a little bit
You guys r all fucking hateful ppl and should pray more often.
ElectricGuitar666X ADORABLE
what kind of compensation do these wrongfully convicted people get? They should get a respectable middle class wage for every year they were imprisoned in my opinion. At the least..
As good as that would be the country couldn't afford to do that to every person released.
At least!
+brickfilm maker well I hope you carry that same logic when you purchase a faulty appliance. Would you still use the warranty available or say fuck it, I love it when I get screwed. Dimwit
brickfilm maker if we didn't spend so much on war and "fixing" other countries instead of our own, we could.
I'd say more since a good decade of his life was literally ripped from him injustly
Dassey's "confession" was the only reason that Avery got convicted... Without Brendan's confession, Avery should go free...you know...since there is not one thing pinning him to that murder
That is exactly why they wont let Brendan go! Because then Steven would also have to be freed ..it's the money! X'2 now!
Wasn’t his blood in the victim’s car that was tied to Avery? Did the police plant it?
Definitely planted. Your right though the blood is what might keep him in there.
Actually...in the actual trial, NONE of this interrogation stuff was used to convict Avery. Zero!
@@Damoscar12 wasn,t an innocent 25 year old woman murdered and incinerated too? Did the police plant that too?
I remember being so angry after I watched that episode. SMH
Watсccch Mаking а Murderer onlinе in hd quality here => twitter.com/6a6cdc54b348be43a/status/795841188112658432 Mаking a Murderer Brendan Dassey s Conviction Overturnеd
Darcseid27 Thanks, but I already have a Netflix subscription
Len Kachinsky should have been disbarred, and possibly thrown in prison, for his misrepresentation of Brendan Dassey.
Jaret Glenn he is a lazy scum bag piece of shit like most PDs
He breached professional ethics in these cases. Unforgivable in the circumstances of a young and intellectually limited defendant .
The police took unfair and unethical advantages.
Netflix is a good lawyer
You have that shit right just let netflix do a one sided documentary wait its not a documentary since it only tells one side of the story and makes it look like these 2 have been railroaded so netflix sure is a good lawyer
Dont be silly
Facts cannot be argued when their public knowledge
Your dumb it wasn't Netflix it was 2 film students who made it and sold it to Netflix
Guilty by media or innocent. Pending how they want to steer the narrative
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST LET THIS KID GO TO WRESTLEMANIA !!!!
Lol best comment on here
I agree, he should go the way of Owen Hart.
I am so glad for Brendan Dassey. That "confession" was so painful to watch, his attorney beyond incompetent and there wasn't a spot of blood found in that trailer bedroom where her throat was cut?! Doesn't a confession have to match the facts of the case or forensics?
Sandra Roberts to answer your question, no. Evidence is not required to incriminate yourself. It's super fucked up. But true.
You mean his attorney that tried to save him from going to prison for life? There's always two sides to a story.
thank god he got out at a decent age, 26, where he can still live his life.
Yeah but imagine how psychologically messed up he is right now. Being in prison for 9 years at a young age isn't easy to say the least. Poor kid. Missed out on a lot especially Wrestlemania when it wasn't bad. I hope those cops get what they deserve.
He knew nothing about the crime. the cops kept feeding him the info that they already had
+stok3d99 There is not a single shred of evidence connecting him to that crime besides that confession. If his dumb ass would have just said, on that first HS visit "uh... do I need a lawyer?" he simply would not be in prison. Having that confession thrown out is not a "technicality" it is the sole piece of evidence that they have; it's the ENTIRE case. ALL of the physical evidence contradicts almost everything he said.
id say he's more mature than 99% of the people thanks to this unjust experience
+tarstarkusz you realize he is learning disabled, right?? your comment shows who the true idiot is here. he had no clue about his right to a lawyer and the jack ass cops and detectives knew he didn't know about his rights. even if they read his Miranda rights, he isn't able to understand what it means.
Avery was set up as well. No way was Manitowoc police going to pay that lawsuit
Len Kachynski should be disbarred for that defence of his client.
I wont be satisfied until they A. they hold accountable the real killer B. Dirty cops go to jail.
the real question that has yet to be answered
did he get to see wrestlemania???
Project862006 pretty sure he missed it. But his mom said she was taping it, so who knows!
That was what started this. Steven was sueing them for being wrongly convicted the first time. It wouldn't surprise me if it was the law in that town that killed Teresa, just so they could set him up and Brendan just got dragged along.
Dur
...that's exactly what happened
Chyna Green
Unlikely, the biggest theory is that it was actually Bobby who killed Therese due to his search history indicating he frequently watched snuff and violent pornography. The police didn't kill Therese, but they let her killer walk so they could get Avery. Their pride was more important than properly solving the case.
I never refer to it as "Brendon's confession" anymore. I refer to it as "The story that Fassbender and Weigert tricked Brendon into parroting". These two guys pulled Brendon out of school, not suspecting a thing. They lied to his mother (she waited in another room while her son was set up) telling her she could not be present. They supposedly questioned Brendon to get the truth, but wouldn't accept the truth instead substituting their lies. Brendon was Steven Avery's biggest alibi. By making Brendon an accomplice, they effectively destroyed Steven's only alibi. This is "Tampering with a witness" which is a felony. Add that to the list of unconscionable acts the MCSD and Ken Kratz have done.
how is he allowed to be interrogated without a parent, guardian or lawyer!!!
The scumbag prosecutor fucked this entire case up. They're are serious issues with chain of custody, evidence procedures, and so many conflicts of interest that I believe Avery should be freed on this alone. They obviously railroaded him the first time and this can't be counted on to provide justice afterwards.
THANK GOD FOR ZELLNER TO IRON ALL THIS OUT! SHE IS THE BEST!
He's still in jail. Wtf? Let him go
How shocking that it takes a tv documentary to expose a hillbilly police force.
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That mini doc that they had on Netflix proved (to me) that the police will intentionally destroy someone's (especially, to the young and naive) life just in order not to do their job significantly and thoroughly. So, what does or would this mean for? Steven Avery. At the time he (Brendan) was manipulated into confession.
Sad thing is Brendan wasn't just a naive kid, he was a special needs kid. The fact that people --- especially the people who are supposed to protect you, take advantage of a mentally disabled child. I cried like a baby the way they coerced his "confession" like that. It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.
you both have some serious issues he might have been special needs but not mentally challenged and this decision will be overturned and he will continue to rot for what he did
Cynthia Farnsworth lol okay Cynthia
Cynthia Farnsworth The deaf can sense that Brendan had (then) mental development issues. It's not to say he was stupid, yet, he wasn't smart either, as Awesome zebra put it he was a teen with "special needs". A typical 16 years old would have been much more emotional. Brendan was detached from the whole situation because he couldn't mentally understand or even answer those that took advantage of him, properly. You are upset that he was taken advantage of... well, that isn't our fault, we saw he was being used to get their "bigger fish". Now it's either they charge him or let him go... they have 80 some odd days left.
Have you watched the documentary and his so-called "confession"? He was coerced and manipulated into it. He was a minor who was picked up from school and taken to the police station without his mom's knowledge or consent and with no lawyer present.
the kid is innocent...he was looking forward to doing his project..if he did something wrong he wouldn't even say that ohh what time will we be done cause i gotta do my project ...that's called clean conscience right there...
About fucking time!!!
Brendan's mother was a massive idiot! Imagine telling your son to sign away his Miranda rights. You never ever do that. He will pay for that mistake for the rest of his life!
I wouldn't fear for anyone if Brendan or Steven were freed (as they should be)
I'd fear the DA and the PD more!
God help us all!
Poor Brenden. So glad he is getting out. Glad he is still young, but he still lost a lot of years. He matured behind bars. Poor kid. I have a feeling Steven will never get out. Sucks for that poor man, too.
Jessica Jimenez he didn’t get out. The AG of Wisconsin filed a motion to reverse the federal judge and guess what. They got their wish....he’s still locked up
Even if he is out though, he still won't come out of it on the good end. There's still going to be many people who believe he's guilty, he probably won't get a job anywhere decent, and he would still be subject to harassment.
Is there something wrong with these prosecutors and cops and judges ,any normal human being can see that they where tricking poor Brendan to say all these horrible things so they could frame his uncle Steven .
¿Does anyoone know a guy more diabolic than Len Katchinsky? ¿A defense lawyer hiring a detective to "create" a confession of his defendant?
ok listen to this:
1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood.
2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who is actually mentally challenged, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this.
3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!?
4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance.
5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene.
6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔
7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property.
8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔
9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile.
10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak.
11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood.
12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth.
13.The victim’s s blood is found in her car ONLY!! and even the county police agrees that the blood marks on the car are a clear sign of transport, bare in mind that the police did NOT have access to the victim’s blood, that’s why it was never ever found in any other place!!
14.If Avery killed the woman in his house and then burned her body in his yard right next to his house why did he need to transport her body with the car?!? He could have simply carried her there 🤷♀️
15.Avery’s nephew is basically mentally challenged and does not understand what is going on at all times, he simply does not comprehend the gravity of this whole situation, if he was part of this tragic event he surely would remember or he would still be traumatised by it, but he is not, he’s been force fed what to say, but due to his limited capacities he keep changing the stories because he does not know which one to tell, he’s definitely not admissible in court, this witness should not even be accepted in this trial at all.
15.Strangely the victim’s ex boyfriend was NEVER investigated!! Something that should always be done in any case of murder or disappearance.
16.The ex boyfriend had access to the victim’s phone voicemails password and he could be the one that actually deleted the messages on the day of her disappearance.
16.The ex boyfriend conducted the researches as if she was already dead from day one,why he did not take in consideration that she could still be alive ?!? Did he already know something?!?
17.The ex boyfriend gave a camera to the woman assigned to search Avery’s property ONLY, basically leading her there🤔and somehow with all the thousands of cars in Avery’s property she manages to bump straight into the victim’s car first time round.
18.The ex boyfriend can’t remember events clearly, he is very vague about time frames and dates.🤔🤔
19.The ex boyfriend even managed to hack the victim’s phone inbound and outbound calls, which is something very very strange who does that?!?and how does he do that?!?
20.The victim had a stalker that was threatening and pestering her with calls and txts for weeks prior to her disappearance but nobody has actually ever checked who the phone number belonged to or who this person might was.
21.Police never even thought about following this lead because they all wanted it to be Avery so bad that they have concentrated all their attentions towards Avery’s ONLY!!
22.The ex boyfriend and the victim’s brother where the only two people to know the victims phone voicemail password.
23.The ex boyfriend already knows how to hack her phone.
24.The ex boyfriend has a motive because the victim left him and was living with his best friend, but this was NEVER EVER looked into😨
25.The police had a big evident dislike towards Avery due to his past and prior convictions, they saw all the very skeptical evidence leading to Avery, they have tried to frame him because he was the most gullible person in the whole county and they where due to pay him a BIG COMPENSATION, they where desperate to shift the attention from their wrongdoings and corruptions allegations in handling of Avery’s previous case.Soon after Avery’s arrest the compensation case was dropped !! by framing Avery’s they managed to AVOID PAYING Avery his big compensation money !!
Is a win win situation isn’t it ?!?
How convenient is that?!?too convenient I’d say 😑
26.The police officer phone call to the dispatch line two days prior to the victim’s car discovery was clear evidence that victim was found there and then, he sounded like he just found her car but when questioned in court, it was clear as day that he was lying like there was no tomorrow.
27.The victim ex boyfriend knew all of this since it was basically plastered all over the news and he took advantage of this situation and dumped the body and the car in Avery’s property or the police found the victim and the car and planted it into Avery’s property because they did not have anybody else to blame.
28.Bare in mind that Avery’s property is HUUGE with countless amounts of cars, anyone could have easily entered his property without being noticed.
I am sorry for my English I wish I could explain it better but I am convinced about this, it is all too sketchy I wish that the ex boyfriend could be closely investigated, he was acting very very weirdly when questioned and I think they should all shift their attention to him, I am sure something will definitely come out of it. This case is so sad, this case is full of discrepancies throughout, the whole county department is corrupted to the chore, they will never give Avery a fair trial, it is clear that even the judge is in it. I hope that the truth will eventually come out and this poor man and his family could one day finally enjoy their lives, I feel so sorry for his parents too, the police did everything they could to separate him from his girlfriend and break his family apart. They accused him and considered him guilty from day one!! What happened to the anyone considered innocent until proven guilty?!? Avery was clearly denied this privilege.
@Werewolffy
Here goes.. I might not have time go through all of these but we'll see.
1. If the victim was “supposedly”strangled, stabbed and then shot in Avery’s house, where is the blood?!? There should be tonnes of blood splattered everywhere, even if he cleaned it up, There’s always some evidence of a deep clean up, but Avery’s property looked like it hasn’t been cleaned in years, they never even found a single drop of her blood.
In the garage. The truth is that we don't know what happened in his trailer. That's just the way it goes sometimes. The initial focus of the investigation was on the trailer, it wasn't until much later that the focus became the garage in large part due to new information from Dassey. A large area in the garage reacted to luminol, suggesting a clean up attempt was made there. Brendan testified that Avery asked him to help clean up a patch of "dark red liquid" from the garage with bleach, paint thinner and gasoline. His bleach-stained pants were even entered into evidence.
People expect blood & semen to everywhere, and this case is questioned because it does not conform to their CSI fantasy of what a crime scene should look like. There doesn't always have to be blood. As for the lack of spatter, it's entirely plausible in this case that there would be no splatter due to the low caliber (22.) bullet that Avery used, studies on this caliber have concluded that forward and back splatter may be entirely absent. I would also mention that amongst Teresa's burnt remains, eyelets were found which would suggest that a tarp was used.
2. Avery is NOT a smart man ok?!? We all agree on that, nor is his nephew who actually looks retarded, they simply did not have the brains to orchestrate all of this.
Correct, which is why Avery left a trail of evidence back to him.
3.Avery could have easily demolished the victim’s s car since he had all the machinery to do so, so why he didn’t get rid of the evidence?!?
Yes, he did have the machinery to do it & it's plausible that he might have been waiting for an opportunity to do so. If you look into the process of crushing a vehicle, it's not as simple and quick as you first imagine. You can't just drive the vehicle into the crusher. Parts have to be disconnected, dismantled, liquids have to be drained, the car has to be lifted up for the tyre's to be removed etc. It's a long process, not to mention the noise. Avery's brother would have heard the crusher at night as it's close to his house, so he would have certainly investigated at that time.
Why did he leave the car on his property? It would have been a huge risk. What if he was seen driving the vehicle? Remember also, wherever he would have decided to dump the car, he would of had to walk back. If he was noticed by anyone at all, it would be game over. Most killers do not have the luxury of a salvage yard of a few thousand cars in their backyard. The most likely explanation is that he left the car where he thought would be best, disconnected the battery (leaving his DNA on the hood latch), covered up, and kept the key for when he had the opportunity to dispose of the car.
4.Avery was already having a bonfire on the day of the victim’s disappearance.
Yes he was, did you know he initially denied having the fire?
5.The victim remains where moved from the point of burning to Avery’s bonfire, clear evidence was found on the bones themselves, the county police department did not wait for the bones experts and conducted the excavations by themselves, they removed the bones and placed them in a box, by doing so they have basically tampered and contaminated the crime scene.
Incorrect, just the filmmakers misrepresenting the evidence again. No additional burn sites with Teresa's remains were found. All experts agreed that Steven's burn pit was the likely location where Teresa's body was burnt.
6.Avery’s house was searched for 8 days straight by the other police department and nothing was ever found, after months and months the police department from Avery’s county (who already previously framed him, and was supposedly advised to stay out of this case) strangely conducts a NOT needed search in Avery’s property and somehow some evidence is found, by them ONLY!! 🤔🤔
Again, the filmmakers are to blame. If you read the testimonies this all becomes clear the events were not as you describe them. The different searches in each part of the property had different objectives, some were very brief searches, some were longer. Avery's trailer for example: the first search was a general search to find evidence of Teresa, another search was to spray luminol, another was to search the computer, one search was to retrieve items previously noted in a previous search, one search was called off until the next day due to bad weather.Control of the operation was indeed handed over to Calumet county, but Manitowoc officers were not "banned" from assisting Calumet, in fact, Calumet asked Manitowoc officers with the training to assist in the searches.
7.The DNA test that was found on the bullet was contaminated, but somehow still used in Avery’s case because the police officer specifically told the DNA specialist to pin point the DNA evidence towards Avery’s property.
Incorrect. The forensic technician contaminated the test sample with her own saliva when she was talking to her students. The actual wash sample from the bullet, however, was not contaminated and contained Teresa's DNA.
8.The victim’s car key that is “supposedly”found in plain sight on Avery’s house floor, only contains Avery’s DNA and not the victim’s who drove the car everyday, how is that even possible?!?🤔
The key is difficult for both the prosecution and the defense. Difficult for the prosecution due to the circumstances of how it was found by Lenk and Colburn (who, by the way, were not actually in any way culpable in Steven's lawsuit) as the key would have had to have fallen from behind the bookcase. That's all.
As for Teresa's DNA missing from the key, the forensic experts stated that when an object like this passes from one person to another, it is not out of the ordinary for the previous owners DNA to be degraded, removed and replaced. It should be noted that Buting, and the defense investigator who remarks this as absurd in the documentary have no scientific expertise on the matter. As previously mentioned, it's entirely plausible that Avery may have had the intention of moving the vehicle at a later date and kept the key. He may have cleaned the key (might have gotten more of his own blood on it) before hiding it in the back of the bookcase.
"9.Of course Avery’s DNA is going to be found on the keys they where laying on his goddamn house floor, that’s how DNA works, is very volatile."
Sort of previously answered, and not based in any sort of science so pointless to answer.
"10.The only evidence they have are two drops of Avery’s blood, one looks exactly like a dot with a point in the middle like it was squeezed from a syringe or something, the other looks like it’s a small streak."
A blood pattern expert from the state crime lab examined the blood in the car and concluded them to be passive stains and transfer stains consistent with what would be expected from an actively bleeding wound. Avery had a fresh, fairly deep gash on his right middle finger at the time.
"11.When Avery’s solicitors request and check his blood sample kept by the county police department, they discover that the sample has been tampered with and that there is evidence of a hole in it, clearly somebody has extracted some of that blood. "
A complete dud by the filmmakers that they never addressed again after that episode. In fact, the defense never even brought it up at the trial. It turns out that the seal was broken because Avery's previous defense lawyers had opened the case previously to help exonerate him for the rape charge. There was a hole in the top of the container as that's how the blood is transferred into the tube in the first place.
"12.Only the police had access to Avery’s blood and the fact that a very little amount of Avery’s blood was found on the victim’s car explains it all, but somehow this absolutely great discovery is not admissible in court🤔 the judge seems to do everything to obstacle the truth. "
The blood was tested and found to be EDTA-free. The blood did not come from the vial, despite the defenses bests attempt to discredit the test that was done. Even Zellner's (Steve's current lawyer working for him) own experts have abandoned the theory of the blood coming from the vial, and are desperately pursuing new theories as to how whoever supposedly did the planting was able to obtain fresh Steve Avery blood and able to fool the blood pattern experts.
Seems I've hit the character limit, so I hope that's enough to satisfy you for the time being :)
Alex thank you for taking the time in answering my comment, it is interesting to hear other points of views, unfortunately I am not as well documented as you, I have made my conclusions based on the netflix documentaries only. However I still strongly agree that the police county of Milwaukee ( I don’t know if it’s spelled correctly) is corrupted to the chore. I want to know why the victim’s brother was never investigated, I would like to know if you have any infos on that too.
Where did you get all of your informations from?! If you don’t mind me asking I would like to see them too.
Alex if you have the time and will I would like you to answer all of my other points.
You probably won't get any more out of Alex as it's almost impossible to rebutt ALL your points without looking like an absolute fools head. He's probably Lenk's mother in disguise or some shit 😂😂 but seriously, the whole lot of the bastards look like the biggest crooks. Katz, Lenk, Eugene what's his face Mr sketch artist who thinks his drawing from a police file pic trumps DNA evidence that exonerated Avery.
The whole damn thing is a farce of the highest order. I can't wait to watch season 2. Peace out dude x
I think Avery is guilty!
"Probably your income is a bit higher than the average person....."
I wanted to hear the rest of that conversation lol
This just shows you how fucked up the justice system is as he won his appeal to be released. Yet in comes the Wisconsin Justice Department who care more about not wanting to look like they were wrong than they care about making sure they got something correct. So even when he wins his appeal to be released Justice Apartment was able to appeal that and make it so 3 judges instead of one would decide his fate. Those 3 judges upheld the decision to allow for him to be released so at this point he's won twice. But ohh no here comes the Justice Department again petitioning to have a 3rd hearing this time with 7 judges to decide his fate and they voted 4-3 to keep him locked away. Just so dumb that you can win your freedom twice yet Justice Department can just keep on trying again and again to get the outcome the want.
Len Kachinsky was working with the police...
I hope those Manitowoc PD are proud of themselves!
I would never go there! I would never trust them!
He was a minor , why was his confession valid without a lawyer present
I felt so bad for the kid while I watched his trial.. specially the part where he is locked up and says.. "'I wanna watch wrestle mania tomorrow He did not even realise what situation he was in... :(
The Central Park 5 is a TERRIBLE EXAMPLE of innocent people confessing
The detectives that coerced him to say lies should be in prison. They're trying to say that you're SUPPOSED to interrogate people like this. Brendan and Steven are INNOCENT.
Yet.....he is still locked up. Regardless of what you believe happened, what those investigators did to this boy was disgusting.
Seventh circuit Court of Appeals upheld his conviction. US Supreme Court declined to hear the case. He's still in prison. Per Wikipedia.
I pray for justice for Theresa Halbach, Steven Avery and Brendan, I cannot wait for that day when they are all free! It's very sickening to see such a corrupt system from a cop all the way up to Supreme judges, shame on all who denied their rights. The truth always comes out, and that will be a scary day for those who were against. Such a tragic story but I have faith Kathleen and her amazing team will bring justice! I also pray for Stevens parents the broken hearts they carry is so unbearable, you can see the pain and hurt in their eyes as they grow older. I pray for Barb because the truth may actually be worst than she could ever imagine.
I hope Brendan is still Brendan after 9 years in prison.
I still feel bad for the beautiful lady that got killed
Exactly !!
Why do people want him to be innocent so badly - so much so they ignore evidence?
Go listen to Dasseys FULL interrogation.
You won’t think he’s innocent after hearing that.
The police at first tried to get Averys girlfriend to say Avery did it when it didnt work they went after Brendan and interviewed him 4 times for over 3 hours, with no adult present during interviews and manipulated him then because Brendan didn't understand said "you shot her in the head didn't you" Kachinsky should be removed from the bar
Shocked when he thinks about his actions.
This ruling has been overturned since the airing of this news report. Dassey still incarcerated.
Nice job public defender...wow :-(
I'm only on episode 3, I can't take it, this is disgraceful how could these "law enforcement officers " do this, they are wicked people :(
What's disgraceful is how the film makers manipulated their viewers. It's all BS!
The sad thing is even though his conviction was overturned. Those crooked cops made sure he stayed in prison. I hope that someday those cops get prosecuted to the fullest for what they did to these guys
So happy!
Its terrible that he is in jail.
It’s appalling how the police handled this case. They just forced a confession out of a kid and tried to take his life away. Shit like this RUINS lives. Shady shit like this happens more often probably we just don’t hear about it.
what can of county is this because the same jud is in charge of the trial and then he appears to be again in the appeal and his lawyer ho Lord have mercy if those are the ones that get to be on your side you don't need prosecutors is just like a nightmare
During the police interrogation of Brendan Dasey he said that Avery stabbed her. The officers say "come on now be honest, something about the head". Dasey sits there for minutes with a confused look on his face and eventually said "he cut off her hair". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he punched her". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he cut her throat" and the officers say "what else happens to her in her head", (THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE SAID WHAT HAPPENED TO HER HEAD - DASEY HAS NEVER OFFERED UP INFORMATION ABOUT DAMAGE TO TARESA'S HEAD ON HIS OWN) by this stage Dasey clearly looks to me like he is thinking, what do they want me to say. The officers say repeatedly "what else" as Dasey sits there with a confused look. Dasey then said "that's all I can remember". The officer then said and I quote "ok then I'm just gunna come right out and ask you, who shot her in the head" and Dasey replies instantly "he did". I mean this is the most blatant coercion you could ever possibly witness, how can anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence view this as a concrete confession from a 16 year old boy with a low IQ. The officers literally created the narrative for Dasey to say "HE DID" I mean it's just beyond comprehension that this was admissible.
Plus he also asks the officer if he will be released by 1:30 because he has a project due at school, so it is clear that he has no idea that he is confessing and will go to jail so he is just telling them what they want to hear to get out of there as quickly as he can. He has no idea of the consequences of his words.
When he asked for a ride back to school after what they made him say. That alone Should tell you anything he says doesn't hold any weight.
This story is sad and crazy!!!!😨😨😨😨
In his conversation with his mom when he was in prison , Dassey confessed he was part of Theresa's murder. He didnt sound dumb in any of those calls.
Just like the West Memphis 3....awful...this poor boy should probably be in a group home for the mentally disabled. This young man being coerced is DISGUSTING! As a US Navy Submarine veteran trying to be a Police Officer, this makes me so sick. Im not saying the show is fully true. Its television. However, neither one of the defendants should be behind bars.
I felt the same way after I watched the Netflix Documentary. I saw many similarities between this case and The West Memphis Three case shown in the HBO documentaries Paradise Lost 1, 2, and 3
I didn't think there was enough to convict either Steven Averys or his Nephew. I strongly believe that evidence was planted. And that the real killer(s) are still out there
+Lauren Nunez I have this weird feeling her ex boyfriend was involved. How many stories have you heard/read about the "nice" ex?! And the fact he made up a screen name and GUESSED her password?! A little fishy to me.
+Nicholas Vandal I feel the same way. The very first moment I saw her ex on the documentary, I just got a strong feeling something was up with him. I don't even think he was ever a suspect either. Remember when, during the Steven Avery court case, that this man (forgot his name) was on the stand, stating that Theresa was complaining of receiving these phone calls. How she seemed upset over them.. Knowing who the person was. But it was never said or even checked who was making these calls to her. Also, her ex knew that her last client was Steven Avery. Her brother even stated on the stand that with Steven Avery's background and being the last client that day, that his property should be checked. I think the murderer(s) knew about Steven Avery's background and took full advantage of the situation at hand. I think the murderer(s) got extremely lucky with the police planting evidence too.
+Nicholas Vandal i think it was the victims brother. He was very cold. And he had alot to do with finding the car and even offered a camera to the person who found it.
So he directed the person right to the car, gave her a camera, deleted voicemails off of her account by hacking into it,..
Nobody really thinks about him tho. He wanted the blame on these two, just as much as the police. Very suspicious, imo.
Anytime I see this, I just cry. What has the justice system become?
Sad part is he really did confess but didn’t want to tell on Bobby. If you watch the full length and not the Netflix he says “he was teed off because she wouldn’t put his Blazer in the ads” Bobby drove a Blazer.
How does it feel to release a murderer.
It looks like the follow up Netflix series will never be aided if authorities have their way.
Dassey gave a lot of details and that is scary.
Is there any update? The documentary was in 2015. It’s now 2018. Did people just forget about this!?
The court circuit first upheld this decision. It was a panel of 3 Judges. The vote was 2-1. Then someone from the DOJ asked for an en banc hearing (involving all the Judges in the circuit). They upheld the conviction in a 4-3 vote. So, he´s still in jail.
from wikipedia:
In June 2017, a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit upheld the magistrate's decision to overturn Dassey's conviction.[42] Judge Ilana Rovner, joined by Judge Ann Claire Williams, affirmed, over the dissent of Judge David Hamilton.[43][44] On July 5th, the Wisconsin Department of Justice submitted a petition requesting a rehearing en banc-by the entire 7th Circuit panel.[45] On August 4th 2017, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals granted the State of Wisconsin’s request for an en banc hearing with oral arguments set for September 26th in Chicago before a full panel of sitting judges.[46]
On December 8, 2017, the full en banc Seventh Circuit upheld Dassey's conviction by a vote of 4-3, with the majority finding that the police had properly obtained Dassey's confession.[47][48] Judge Hamilton's majority opinion was joined by Judges Frank H. Easterbrook, Michael Stephen Kanne, and Diane S. Sykes. Chief Judge Diane Wood and Judge Rovner both wrote dissents, joined by Judge Williams.[49]
I wonder how many people on here know, that this decision by the federal judge to over turn his conviction.. didn't actually come thru!! The damn state of Wisconsin of course, appealed that judge's decision.. so then there had to get 3 different Courts involved to then all unanimously decide the same verdict as to whether they let him out. And they didnt.. the 3 courts kept the state's original verdict and so he lost that appeal. Now poor thing has lost his highest appeals process smdh.. he's out of moves, doesn't have any appeals left after this last one, the United States supreme court fucking denied him! Smfh... I PRAY for him and people alike.. the average, hard working class Americans.. that this could happen to any one of us! God help us all! Justice reform needs to come NOW!!
Len Kachinsky is the creepiest lawyer I have ever seen! Dont' you just want to bash his face in?!
There are thousands of Brendan's out there. NEVER talk to the police.
@ 5:18 - Doesn't that guy look like the prosecutor in Steve Avery's case minus glasses??
I watched it all and thought it was a stitch up. Poor men have lost so many years of their lives if this is the case. And those who stitcehd them up should be put away but they probably never will, too many cover ups for one another. The law stinks at times. Shame on you if these two men are really innoccent. And that's how it looks.
The golden rule when being interrogated by the police is to request a lawyer/attorney from the moment you are arrested. Until your appointed lawyer/attorney arrives at the police station you answer 'No Comment' to any question they might ask of you. Other than confirming your name, address and date of birth if asked to do so. From then on your lawyer must be present at every interrogation/interview the police seek to have with you. If you choose to go it alone every single time you open your mouth you will be digging your own grave! As the saying goes - " Least said - soonest mended"
The fool should have taken the 15 year plea bargain. His family convinced him not to.
I was very happy to see he answererd positively in his 2nd court appereance. I was praying tht he will recall and reply with confidence. This is all becoz he had time not like very first day when police grilled him and made him .
I think he was involved. Here's why, when he is asked where he came up with the story of the murder, he replied he had read it in a book. This kid was a 10th grade student with a 4th grade reading level. There is no possible way this kid read anything that graphic, and violent in a 4th grade level book.
It is also strange that after the alleged crime was committed he wouldn't eat couldn't sleep and lost a bunch of weight. In the series making a murder his mother even describes her sons strange behavior. People dont just act like that for no reason. Especially a person who leads a quite normal life in a rural environment.
In conclusion something drastically changed this child's perspective enough to physically change his behavior and appearance. I watched the documentary and read several articles online about this case, and I'm just not convinced that the suspects are innocent.
That's all I have to say about that- Forest Gump
I agree with you candaceowens just came out with updates in her podcast
So he wasn't smart enough to know jail is bad!!How can you steer someone to say something or agree to something they didn't do!
I don't get it...why would they force him to lie, exactly? What do they have to gain by doing that?
This is great news poor kid the legal system in this country is downright scary
I'm soooo Happy! in tears!
amazing documentary, amazing because it left a lot of facts out, like the guy calling her three times, he had her phone, her blood in his house. Just because this confession was improper, it didnt mean he was innocent
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He is still locked up. He isnt getting out until he serves 40 years and then go through the parole process. And that's not guaranteed
So if his conviction was overturned the that makes his testimony null and void in his uncles case
why would Avery murder someone when he was in line for a massive pay out? load of Bollocks!!
The problem with this case is there is no credible evidence to show they did what the prosecution claimed. Also what the prosecution claimed makes zero sense. If Avery had murdered this poor girl he would have known her appointment with him was known by others, he would have expected her to be reported missing immediately, he would have been expecting the cops to arrive at any time. The last thing he would have done is attempt to burn her body.
If he was a sophomore in high school so must of been a minor and had special needs as well so he shouldn’t of never been questioned without a legal guardian in the first place
wouldn't it be something if Teresa Halbach could come back and tell everybody what actually happened to her? I don't know who killed her, but I know it wasn't Steven. I just KNOW it wasn't.
I am disgusted by the detectives who interrogated Brendan
How can human beings still walk and talk? Dassey confessed in detail. We should make judges accountable when they spit these far fetched rulings and overturn conventions. Dassey played the system pretending to be dumber than he really was. Where is the outrage from people?? We as State Troopers with co.and city arrest the guilty and the judges and lawyers plea deal and make outrageous rulings even when found guilty. Playing stupid is what the judge did! Cannot believe the public sitting silently while a convicted murder walks free. Remember now,Dassey was not found innocent to be released.. Let the lawyers and judge take turns letting dassey live with them now.
It ehould be put into a law that you cannot interrogate a minor without an attorney present. Period. WM3, Making a Murderer both cases ended up with wrong people behind bars because of coerced 'confessions' from mentally challenged minors. Insane
This young man's story doesn't add up, he said they slit her throat in the bedroom yet NOT one speck of her DNA was found in the house, not even on the Key that was planted by the MCSO people.. Sad to see this kind of framing by police..
Can't fucking wait till Steve's shit gets overturned too
I am beyond sick how Law Enforcement gets away with stuff like this. My Uncle lost a total of 29 years for a murder he wasn't even on the same side of Anderson, Indiana at the time of the murder. There was nothing what-so-ever putting him there. The biggest problem was it happened to be a big election, the Judge and the DA both were up for reelection. They both lost that year, for my uncle case made its way into True Detective Magazine along with others as well. Once he did get out after 29 years he died when he reared into the back of a Frito-Lay semi right outside Warner Robins Air Force Base in his small Toyota Pickup 5 years later. I am the holder of his ashes along with his story that he wrote while in the Indiana State Prison along with a few others that he has written but I just keep them locked away. May he finally found peace. I am truly sorry for what this family went through and no matter what happens now just cherish the time y'all have.
Wait I’m more shocked about that man’s voice than the kids case 😂😂😂 4:26
Now the question is who is the killer
Court appointed attorney, or liason to the prosecutor.
All court appointed attorneys have the same strategy. They tell the accused to plead guilty. It happened to me for a minor misdemeanor. I told the drunkard attorney I would represent myself. I did and was found not guilty. BTW, the cops lied all through the trial. This is the way real world works, folks.