17 // Maura Murray - Part 17
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- For episode 17 Lance and Tim address the interesting online developments of the past few weeks. They also talk about the new documents of items found in Maura's car.
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Bunch of old drama Blabbing on and on prior to 18:27 --When the episode actually starts.
27:30 talk of items found in Maura's car starts.
Thank you! That was getting a little painful to listen to.
@@thekat4493 😄No problem! Glad I could help
@@lanayajordyn9950 thank you!! I was like, get to the point guys! 😡 lol
That drama was riveting though
The cucumber melon body spray really got me, because that's the type that I always used to use. The list of stuff from her car really does make me even more sad about this whole thing.
Yep, I'm a female and I use Head & Shoulders. A word about the pregnancy rumors, it sounds like she was drinking and still taking birth control (we can assume), and she has tampons with her. It doesn't sound like she was pregnant to me.
Me too girl! And, I really think these guys need a girl to throw in some opinions sometimes..., like when they kept saying they thought it was odd that she had so many shampoos, but it’s really not.... not to me anyways... I have 3 different shampoos in my shower right now. I use head and shoulders once a week, dove for normal days (I love the smell) and then an anti frizz shampoo (I forget the brand) for humid days.... plus, if I color my hair, that adds two more lol, one for color protection and one for moisturizing... they don’t get that girls have different needs when it comes to our hair and it involves LOTS of products! 😉
@@jackharvey2127 Honestly I believe this has been done a few time over. I've never seen so many people involved in a case like they are with Maura's. I watch many many missing person cases and many I've never heard of. But so much emphasis and work has been done on Maura's case
Meredith Pase no photo I ever saw of her gave me the impression that she was a high maintenance gal, especially with regards to her hair- which she usually wore pulled back ( as I did for 3 years during my nurse training). She was one of those lucky people whose face suited that severe ‘hair scraped back’ style.
I think the guys are right about the messy car and how stuff was probably accumulated over a long time.
As for the snacking, the whole thing about pickles/weird combinations is more associated with latter pregnancy. She didn’t appear pregnant, so if she was, it would be early- more associated with nausea, dry crackers and ginger. Retired nurse/midwife and mother pf 3 here ☺️
Maura was not just another college student drinking and driving on February 9, 2004. She was a college student who the day before had been drinking when she crashed her father's car to the tune of $8,000 worth of damage. Maura had also been warned by a judge to stay out of trouble for six months or she would be prosecuted for credit card theft. If she's out drinking and driving again after all that she is out of control and has a reckless disregard for her life.
Absolutely. Poor Butch Atwood only tried to help her. No idea she was a drama fueled trainreck. She didn't mind commiting credit card theft, or chronic drunk driving... She managed to victimize Butch Atwood too.
Hum well Burch Atwood was from Taunton, Ma his wife was from Carved and Middleboro , Ma Maura from Hanson ,Ma Butches mom from Taunton, Ma Maura 's cousin's are from Taunton, Ma...call me crazy but what's the chance that all these peoples live a few miles apart and end up in the boontillies of New Hampshire right out front their door ( Atwood ')
@@cherylcrimmins9121 Wow, I agree. That's make a lot of sense. There is something. I would like to ask you something. Pls d.M me your e mail.
I have one theory on the pickles. It really hit me and I got this immediately. Maura was allegedly bulimic, which is something I believe considering the evidence and testimony of her famiy I have been bulimic for eight years. Whenever I go on a road trip I buy low calorie foods (sometimes even dill pickles) so that I don't feel like I have to purge it since I don't want to spend the energy/time purgeing at public restrooms along the way. Diet coke is also something I buy ALL THE TIME during road trips. So all that makes sense to me.
NoOneHasThisNamee Salt+Sweet = easily explainable as PMS
This episode reviews items in the car police initially did not consider evidence and returned to the family, so the chances of finding a smoking gun are small. The value of this episode is how it demonstrates a moment of genuine human compassion for the real person who went missing - something lacking in a previous episode where a struggling young woman was unconscionably labeled a sociopath.
It seems to me that If Maura left voluntarily to accept a ride from someone, she wouldn't leave her birth control pills in her car. In order to be effective birth control pills need to be taken every day not just on days when women are having sex.
Esther Phenix I don’t think she was thinking clearly to say “let me grab my bc, I never have in stressful situations, last thing I’m thinking about.”
According to the episode with Clint Harting the notecard had directions to Burlington on it.
BTW... During the winter women do tend to get dry scalp so I've used it but it has a tendency to dry your hair out so , its not something you want to use every day.
Sorry I'm a woman and when it's so dry I do use head and shoulders not everyday but I do use it.
It's so sad that there are so many people out there who do the things you speak of in the beginning of this podcast. AND THEY NEED TO BE EXPOSED for what they are! Missing Maura Murray is collectively going a good thing and you guys shouldn't have to put up with this kind of immature, aggravating and annoying bullshit. So sorry to hear this, guys. You keep up the good work and remember that there are a lot of people out here who appreciate all your dedicated work on this case. This girl's loved ones have been jipped out of a proper and professional and thorough investigation into solving this case and giving the family some answers and trying to hold those responsible accountable for their actions! WHOM EVER that may be. I thank you for your time and dedication.
Great show.
So now it's 2019 and it seems the Miles Wainwright theory led to nowhere, just troll playing games, and Boneyard is still running his/her deadpool blog, has nothing to do with Miles nor Maura, he/she just posted a penny because it has Maura's birthday year. Note: I'm not related to that other guy named like me.
Around that area, a plastic covering for a cigarette pack is used to hold drugs. You put drugs in it and burn the top to melt the sides together.
im in Australia and people do it here too, I think its quite a universal thing.
Pretty sure ppl use cigarette pack wrappers for their drugs everywhere lol
I think she had been drinking while she was driving, so she wanted to avoid the police at all costs. Since there was no cell phone service where her car broke down, she tried to walk to the nearest town where she could make a call. She probably took a short cut through the woods, thinking that maybe she could make a call if she could reach a higher elevation. Once in the woods she got lost. While she was lost in the woods she made call after call hoping that one of the calls would go through. Eventually one of her calls got through to her boyfriend, but it only recorded a few seconds before it was dropped. She probably collapsed in the snow due to exhaustion and then later died from exposure. The only other scenario I can think of is that she knocked on someone's door close by and the people kidnapped her and killed her. The bus driver would have been suspect number one in my book. How do we know that she did not get on his bus? How do we know that his wife isnt as crazy as he is? How do we know that he didn't have her chained up in his basement? Did anyone search his home?
Hope she had a great b day! She's in our thoughts/hearts
Someone on here commented that perhaps Maura was hit by a car after the accident. Perhaps by this ex cop who was shot? Maybe that was the thud the female witness heard (unless that was false info). Didn't the psychic mention Tom? I'm just trying to make connections. I do believe she hit the tree further down though based on Westman's account. If she did pass away, maybe she's much further away than the area she crashed in. Many many outcomes. Hope the family eventually gets the answers they want.
Maybe she bought the alcohol because she knew she was going to be waking and she wanted to stay warm.
I'm glad you're managing to be more flexible about how you're viewing people, but I have to say, I'm still disappointed that you leap to conclusions so quickly and readily. IMO The proper course of action wouldn't have been to immediately label her a scorpion based on a bunch of speculation and then now modify your opinion because she had twizzlers in her car, but to abstain from judgment until you have sufficient CONCRETE evidence to support the conclusion. You only decided she was a scorpion because you failed to imagine a scenario where she was just a stressed out student in a rough patch, not because there was any sort of evidence suggesting that, out of all possibilities, it was most likely that she was a manipulative and toxic person.
I'll actually follow it by saying that every time I go to watch the channel and that photo pops up on the list I almost have to x out of the tab.
I think the cops need to probe a little more around the spot her car was last seen. Interview all neighbors again, maybe even get a warrant to look around, because you never know. Small towns will also cover up cop activity or will just simply not believe if a cop happened to be the one to kidnap her-not unheard of.
Of course women use Head and Shoulders shampoo, how ridiculous. That's as ridiculous as the conclusio. that she's pregnant because she looked up the effects of using alcohol while pregnant....she was a nursing student!!! Plus you can be on birth control for reasons other than pregnancy prevention...and when you are on it...you have to take it consistantly...whether you are sexually active or not!
Investigators need to go back and search behind the electrical panel wall where the dog had a hit they need to take that wall down that wall is all new from new owners i believe its butch atwoods house.she didn't go to any woods or jog five miles to anywhere that's crazy to think anyone would do that in 30 degree weather in winter up there i believe butch Atwood did something he was the last one to see her and talk to her he did strange shit like parking his bus away from the lighting on his property i believe when maura declined his help the first time he offered she changed her mind and ran back to his bus and he let her on and backed out of sight i believe he offered her into his cellar to be safe for the night and he made advances towards her and raped and killed her look ar the lie detector test results he also changed his story a few times then a year and half later he moves to Florida very suspicious
As much as I think the items in the car are irrevelent - something bugs me. There is no receipt on this list for the alcohol she purchased at the State Liquor Store. And it was reported she withdrew $280 from her bank acct & paid for the liquor in cash. The HOW did LE know she had the Kahlua, Bailey's Vodka, Franzia, or whatever in the car with her? Did they SEE her puchase these items on the State Liquor Store surveillence camera??? How ELSE would they know w/o a receipt - even a debit card just lists the total of the purchase/it doesnt itemize. AND WHY didnt the release the liquor store videos after she disappeared...... did it show someone else WITH her on the liquor store video tape???
The liquor store either reprinted the receipt. Or the police got it out of her car.
It was on video and she was alone on both the atm video and the liquor store video.
Perhaps just as interesting is what wasn't in Maura's car: none of the basic wardrobe you'd expect for someone starting a new life. No shoes, dresses, pants, shirts, pajamas. Just two changes of athletic gear: socks, two sports bras and a pair of sneakers.
I'll actually follow it by saying that every time I go to watch the channel and that photo pops up on the list I almost have to x out of the tab.
Erin Anderson sounds like a personal problem....
She took her wallet and important stuff in her backpack with her because she planned on coming back to her car before too long. Something happened to her after she “crashed” and got a ride because she thought she was going back to her car before too long! This is so sad
I think so to...and the cop hit her while she was walking. The dogs got her smell then it just stops. Either got into a car or was hit and put into a car st that spot.
Such a sad episode because the items in her car are such a reminder of her just being a normal young woman in her college years. I had all these same items in my car when I was her age, prior to settling down, getting married, & having kids. I dont believe she ran away to commit suicide or even to start a new life. I think she went on vacation & had this wreck & someone harmed this beautiful young lady, that she was murdered.
Kristi Skidmore I think she was meeting somebody to look at a new to her car, (the driver of the red truck that had two people in it to drive both vehicles up so one could be left), she wrecked along the way and met fowl play. I often drink on the way to somewhere just because. It takes 30 minutes to meet somebody anywhere from here. Why not?
I have never thought MM had a "dark side" or the accident was a result of some conspiracy. But I did get a kick out of how she was basically presented by the press and shows like "Disappeared" as a choir girl. Real life is always more complicated. MM's foibles may eventually explain why she was driving in NH on a weeknight when she should have been in school, but it does not explain what happened to her. To this extent I agree with Fred. The lack of extra clothes and underwear seems to indicatre either she took them with her or didn't bring any which would imply that she was not running away forever. Still interested in the Desolation Trail grid and its relation to the backpack sighting which was not that far away from there at the Pemigewasset Overlook.
I am a girl, I love going away alone for a couple days and I always take nail polish, wax etc to do all the primping I don't have time for at home. it bothers me that because YOU wouldn't do something means NO ONE can do that something and still be ok. I'm speaking to the commenters....not the podcasters. people seem so closed minded and don't ever consider that a person can be 1. female and 2. independent and 3. not mentally ill. jeez. (I forgot to say : I love re listening to older podcasts on your channel to remember things I have forgotten :) it never gets old to me.
I’ve always liked spending a few days on my own too.
I don’t find that odd at all.
What I don’t understand is where was Maura headed?
Was she just going to try and find a cheap motel?
In my understanding there aren’t a lot of motels a college student could afford where Maura was found.
Keep doing whatever your doing guys.
Call me crazy but I have this feeling , this podcast is going to do MORE GOOD THAN HARM, it is turning up things that weren't really looked into before. Someone knows something. Why else would you receive the threats you have if no one knew anything ??? Anyways , good work as always guys. I pray this case is solved so either Maura is found or her family can lay her to rest.
+Jamie Leigh That was my point...As said in the podcast they basically said they have haters and had ppl saying they were doing more harm then good. My point being there doing good. Especially if ppl are wanting them to stop. Or sending hate mail or trying to get them off the trail. Like I said before in a previous podcast comment is there are a few cases I wish could get attention. One in particular I believe is linked to another case that Renner has blogged and done a book on Amy M (I don't want to butcher the spelling of her last name out if respect), Check Renner's blog and you'll find her. But I believe these fellas are on to something here.
+Jamie Leigh hello fellow Empath ;) Gut instincts really kick in with these things...I'm in no way a psychic just get feelings in my gut I cannot explain and for the most part are on target. But yes agree !
Pickles is something people eat to feel like they are eating something savoury and foody, without many calories. Some people even fill up on pickles instead of food.
+Tessan Good info. I'm in the weight loss business and i agree, pickles are used for what you described
Since there were signs that she had an eating disorder, that would make sense.
Is it possible that the person who threatened you also provided a possible lead? He mentioned Tom Conrad in his threat, and from what I can gather, he was a former NH trooper who was murdered, is still unsolved, and is somehow connected to the Maura Murray case. And I remembered and can't help but mention that the psychic you interviewed was adamant at one point about the name Tom which, at that point, you weren't aware had any connection to the case. Thanks
philbyificationesa
See Mike Gill.. he had a few troopers scared for their lives talking about the corruption. We are talking as bad as CPS being a child rape business..can't trust authority at all.
I've never commented before but after listening to this episode yesterday, I just wanted to drop a line and cheer you guys on and offer words of support after hearing all of the negativity you have coming your way on a regular basis! I didn't know who Maura Murray even was 2 months ago and now I'm thinking of her often! I think you guys are amazing for digging into this at the expense of your own psychological and physical safety just to solve this and even more grateful that you allow us to tag along for the journey that you are doing all of the hard work on while we sit back in the safety of our homes and cars passively listening.
I was at one time very suicidal. That LAST thing I would ever think about would be taking all this shit when I know I'm just gonna die. I definitely think she was running away for awhile. And the dwi thing. I have gotten two dwis and getting a dwi plus an open bottle will put u in jail, get your car towed, year without a license, and tons and tons of fines plus thousands for a lawyer. She probably tried to run away so she wouldn't get a dwi, but it was so cold or she fell and passed away. This is so sad cuz I have severe depression and this hurts my heart that this girl obviously was going through a ton of shit. I really really hope Maura is alive and well.
Most likely explanation is that after the accident she freaked out about getting caught drunk driving and bolted away from the car on foot, into the woods, to hang out and wait for things to die down. We don't know how drunk she might have been so it was probably a drunken impulse (given the accident she was probably fairly intoxicated). She then got lost or confused on where she was, and ended up dying of exposure. She could have traveled many miles on foot through the night so died not close to the accident site. The body is probably out there somewhere and hasn't yet been found.
Patrick Arnett I am starting to think this too, but holding out also on the Witness A sighting and the fact the police won't invite in the FBI. Sign the petition everyone
No footprints in the snow
@@spaceystacey3388 It was snowing that night. Foot prints would have shown but no one talks of foot prints...
Congratulations - it took you to 20:01 to FINALLY MENTION YOUR FIRST FOUND ITEM! And you wonder why people get annoyed listening to podcasts. Really?
@MR PEEVES , Yeah, and I'm still laughing and shaking my head about they being afraid and calling it a "threat" because someone posted a penny with Maura's birth year on it. (Note: I'm not related to that other J.S. they mentioned.)
Thank you guys for caring and trying to find out what happened. It's so just crazy. I hope it's solved.
Regardless of what people think of these podcasts the fact you guys are discussing a topic that remains unsolved and bringing this to our consciousness can only be a good thing.. Personally I am fascinated with the Maura Murray story and thank you guys for giving your time and keeping a flame alight.
"You have no basis to call anybody a NUTCASE" but it's totally okay and defensible for Renner to call Maura a sociopath.
Sheri Martin a nut case is a broad derogatory term. A sociopath is a clinical term associated with specific behavior and behavioral patterns. There is a difference between name calling and conceptually diagnosing someone
Oh, is THAT how it works? Pardon me then- James Renner is a relentless narcissist and a stalker who believes the world exists only to applaud him. Nothing and nobody is more important to Renner than his own ego, and he has no concept of other people as PEOPLE- to him, they are just soulless side characters in his hero narrative. Is that less offensive?
I agree Bella - and James Renner is just an investigative journalist with no grounds to be diagnosing anyone as a sociopath, he's not a mental health professional. He can have his opinion, as we all do, but he should take care using those kinds of terms on public record.
I laughed then hearing what all was in Maura's car,I just sold a car that happen to be a Saturn and while cleaning the car out I had some of the craziest things in there,Like 3 bags full of stuff. I would find things and say where did this come from. I had my car over 15 years.after cleaning the car out it looked like I could of had a crime scene on my hands,LOL
It seems to me that she wasn't planning to harm herself, but to play devil's advocate for why she might have taken some of those items could be that she was getting away because she was so stressed out and then crashing her car pushes her over the edge.
I have been enjoying your podcasts but just have a bit of criticism regarding their delivery, could try not to keep saying "you know" all the time. You'd sound a lot more professional if you didn't do it.
+roobarbandcustard88 Ya know, we should block you for that. ;)
+Missing Maura Murray Just trying to help you be the best podcast presenters you can be, ya know.
+Missing Maura Murray Ya know, I love this podcast, Ya know, I can't wait for the Ya know Documentary! :-)
This is so baffling. I followed from the beginning. What happened in like ten minutes?
Stephanie Wilson I’m new to this case I’d like to ask a question ,was Mauras boyfriend married or divorced? Bill Rausche
@@maggiemay4388 not at the time when they dated. Not sure about after Maura but take note many woman have come forward about sexual abuse and creepyness from Bill. I also find it hard to believe he got leave so quickly from the service.
It's frustrating to me that people are criticizing you two for putting your safety first and calling off the hike. Whether or not the perceived threat was a valid threat, or whether the perceived threat was credible is entirely irrelevant. In my opinion, what you're doing could be dangerous. If Maura was murdered or taken, it stands to reason that the person who committed that crime would not want either of you poking around. It's also reasonable to assume that if that person were willing to murder Maura, they'd likely be willing to do whatever is necessary to keep you from finding any evidence. A healthy dose of paranoia would be smart, and to your benefit. To assume anything that transpired during the trip was mere coincidence would be *monumentally* stupid.
TL;DR - You did the right thing by walking away. Any sane person would have.
I really wish that the PD would release some facts about the case. It’s cold, why not open up to the public to get some more leads? #wishfulthinking
Unfortunately, this Podcast inherited all the controversy and "anger" created by Renner over the years but you knew that before you even got started. There are a lot of opinions regarding his treatment of Fred Murray and the unsubstantiated rumors he writes, just to keep people interested in his blog/book. His "sociopath" comment is a perfect example of how Renner distorts this case just to stir things up and keep his name relevant. You let Renner make statements like that on your Podcast and then you are surprised when listeners get upset? Really?
These are real people's lives you are talking about. How can you lecture people to be respectful of the Murray family when you continue to spread rumors and speculation about Maura and Fred, under the guise that you are "exploring all angles?" I think the anger you see is in response to the unnecessary exploitation and sensationalism of this missing case by people with an agenda. Many of us were hoping this Podcast would skip the Renner BS and just explore the facts of the case. Too bad that's not interesting enough for you.
So please tell us ..is anyone who disagrees with your approach now considered a "troll?" No debate is allowed on what you say on this Podcast without getting blocked?
Keep up the great work!
Women use head and shoulders... It’s for dandruff. Everyone can get dandruff. That’s just dumb but as you were saying the stuff like cd case, cucumber melon spray and herbal essences shampoo. It makes her seem more human and we are/we’re the same age. She has the same stuff a girl of that age and in that time would have. Also, I’m glad that someone finally realizes she was a pretty average girl for her age. Yes, she was going through a rough patch but people act like she is a monster and it always makes me feel like Damn if she is so horrible for being reckless at 21. I’m a damn monster
You guys are awesome and I very much respect you but you've got to stop feeding the trolls.
The sad things about listening to all of these videos is that I think I'm going to be incredibly disappointed at the end when l listen to the last one and there's still no final answer about what actually happened to Maura!
I think this too when watching, are you still watching?
And now, by the magic of RUclips, it’s 3 years after Jessica’s comment, I’m this far in and thinking the exact same pitiful thing. But I just can’t stop. More eyes are Exactly what this case needs.
I hate to say it.. after all this, I'm really starting to think she is dead in those woods somewhere. I like everyone want to create some super mystery where she has created a new life, sadly I think she just got herself in trouble and is dead somewhere
Kurtis Langevin there were no footprints in the newly fallen snow though! The investigator saw fox footprints, not human ones
I wonder how far up the road she was before she may have gone into woods. I know the dogs lost the trail but it's not 100% accurate. I heard way back when they only looked on public property. Now all the trees right near the road have private property signs posted on them as I saw in someone's video. It's scary that now there are years worth of leaves and pine needles and she definitely could have been missed somewhere. Someone made the point that if she was suffering from hypothermia that she could have burrowed somewhere. I really hope she is somehow alive and well somewhere.@@spaceystacey3388
I'm sorry guys but I have traveled why husband, myself, and my 12 year old so the snacks for a long road trip you'd think goodness. My husband loves twirlers.
Alcohol leaves you in alot of vunerable situations. Here she needed a police officer but had to avoid them because she had been drinking and driving. I believe she encountered a very evil person at this point. Dropped her guard because she wanted to get away from the accident scene so badly.
It’s still odd that she went that far and goes missing. If she was intoxicated she would’ve most likely been passed out nearby and found
🤷🏻♀️. Something is obviously wrong here 😢
I know that a lot of people keep saying that it’s weird she packed up her dorm and say it’s because she was planning on leaving UMASS or running away etc., but FM had said wayyyy in the beginning that over Christmas break the university cleans the dorms and they ask students in the dorms to pick up everything off the floor so they can clean it and where I went to college, spring semester starts at the end of January so she honestly may have just been lazy and not unpacked it yet. FM said that’s what he believes it was and the boxes were open and gone through and only some stuff taken out so if she was only in school for 2 weeks after Christmas break, I can definitely see her just not having unpacked it all fully yet. Also, I use head and shoulders too and I’m a girl and I also have purple shampoo which is shampoo for people with blonde hair that makes your hair blonder after you wash it and if I was going away I would definitely bring my regular shampoo, H&S, and purple shampoo with me and I switch them out when I use them and only use H&S when I have dandruff and it’s usually mostly in the winter when it’s very cold and dry out. I also love pickles and eat them out of the jar and I have done this my whole life and I have a couple friends who love pickles like this too and one even drinks the pickle juice. And lastly, I also have 2 screwdrivers in my car. Once when my head light was out I went to an auto store and got a bulb and asked the guy to help me put it in and he got a screwdriver from the store and brought it out and changed it for me and then told me I could keep the screwdriver so next time I could do it myself and it’s been in my glove box for years and I keep it there for that reason so if I have something go out, I can go change it myself without having to buy a screw driver or go home or somewhere to get one. The second screwdriver I have is in my trunk and I got that from my garage when I was changing my tail light because the head light screwdriver was different than my tail light one. Just saying.....
This list of items tells me that she was running away to start a new life & needed to clean out all her personal items (toiletries, etc.) not fitting into her boxes so that the family could get them later. But it doesn't look like a list of things someone would bring if they wanted to kill themselves. And it's too many items to bring if you want to skip school for a week. This is all the items you would bring home with you at the end of Spring semester or end of college - everything - because you're relocating. Just my opinion.
why is 18 private? dont do us like that
odysseus x episode 53, is episode 18(again)
RIDE OR DIE SHAWS THUGS FOR LIFE
On the list of inventory found from the car why did she have 2 toothbrushes with her? And in regards to the "Speed Stick" deodorant, Speed Stick was from the mens' line of deodorant by Mennen. The womens' version was "Lady Speed Stick". Maybe nothing, but definitely some food for thought. Also, did she typically carry a purse or wallet? On the ATM footage she appeared to walk away from the ATM with the money she withdrew in her hand. That seems somewhat odd to me. If you plan on using your money right away, you may not put it away in a purse or wallet.
jamerz2514 i wear men’s deodorant. I like how it smells and I feel it works better for me, personally than women’s.
What happened to this girl?
A lot of shampoo for a week...
regarding college text books in vehicle inventory: most students sell books back to the book store for cash when they're planning on leaving campus and not coming back. she probably had $300.00 in text books in car.
Mark Brown or sell them back at the end of the semester because you need knew ones for the following semester . Doesn't necessarily mean you would be leaving for good.
Oh my word. Don't look in my car ever, please!!
She was a 21 year old. Life was so exciting and scary!
I am only 8 years older than Maura would be now. I wouldn't really not want anyone to go through my life. I just hope she is found!
It's important to remember that ANY of the things Maura's car could've been in there for some time (aside from anything that has a date on it that would prove otherwise, such as the receipt for the alcohol, etc), and it does not necessarily mean that she packed all of it specifically for the trip that would eventually lead to her demise.
Covered bridges
Yet it may be figuratively speaking whats covered is whats most important. Umass is whats been covered up
I'm interested in what you're not seeing left in the car that if you were planning to be gone for approximately a week, should have been brought. She would need more than one change of clothes. She would obviously need underwear and socks, like you mentioned were not present. Just to name the most obvious since if you're planning to stay in a hotel, you most likely won't want to do laundry every other day. And I just don't see her recycling the same underwear & 2 outfits for a week.
What else is missing? Some of the alcohol she purchased. Which I find especially interesting if they were not found in the car. I don't know that they were not present, but I've heard nothing to suggest that they were. So assuming they were missing, and didn't have time to drink them & throw out the empty bottles, that seems like an important piece of information to consider.
What this tells me is that she may have been following someone to another location with the intention of drinking this alcohol, so she grabbed it along with the missing bag of clothes. Assuming she could shower where she was going in the morning before dealing with her abandoned car, and use their shampoo, etc, that someone's home was the intended destination. It also tells me that she was not going very far from where she had the accident, but too far to just go out to the car to grab her bag with what I assume was the majority of her clothes.
Why not also grab the open box of wine? I can only speculate of course, that it might have something to do with the fact that it spilled during the accident & the box was wet or sticky. Maybe she didn't want to make a mess in someone else's car. Plus, a couple bottles are pretty easy to shove in the bag you're planning to bring along anyway. Just wanted to share a couple of my thoughts.
What is it about this case that's caused so much controversy,....Some where along the line it's changed from missing person to urban legend,....From everything i've read over time I always thought it was obvious what happened but some of the theories i've heard range from weird to idiotic,
Why is episode 18 private?
The threats stuff is crazy. Would love to figure out who that is and the whole Tommy Conrad story.
Is there any way to listen to Episode 18? Feels strange to skip to 19 without knowing.
The constant speculation really doesn't help much.
I thought that pregnancy thing after watching the first few episodes, calling her boyfriend stud.. I also went to a miscarriage when she said death in the family maybe not wanting to over share (everyone said she held personal info close to the vest)
i thought where on this case not spending a lot of time on your own internet troubles
These items make it seem so much sadder. It humanizes her all the more. Lots of shampoo hell I use and buy so much just for me. Sounds to me like she was just taking a trip not a suicide mission. I know people who eat pickles and pickle juice like candy
My feeling about you guys is very positive. Do not let let these scammers enter your space. Keep up your great work.
Can’t find episode 18. Does it exist?
If Maura was leaving U Mass permanently She probably would have sold all of Her textbooks. Maura had several hundred dollars worth of textbooks in Her car and even more in her dorm room.
Last time I had to purchase college textbooks was in 2004 for only three classes. For three classes my textbook total was over $400.00.
She ran into the woods and died. Those woods are super thick and you can easily get lost. Miles of mountain and heavy hard woods
Something would have been found if that was the case, there would have been footprints.
"Joshua Tree" is U2's best album, followed closely by "Achtung Baby". C'mon guys...
+joydivsion77
No way, the first 3 U2 albums were the best! After that they just stunk. She probably ran off the road out of anger from having to listen to In the name of love for the 1 millionth time.
zudemaster You know nothing about music. Sorry. "War" comes in at third and is a great album. "Boy" and "October" (their first two) are nowhere near Joshua and Achtung. Also, "Pride" which you refer to as "In the Name of Love" is off "The Unforgettable Fire", released three years before Joshua. Get yo shit straight.
joydivsion77
I have my shit straight. Their first 3 albums were raw, sounded like a group of young guys trying to make it. After that most of what they did such as Pride was too sissyish for my taste. Less rock and more pop sounding. And yes i did know the actual name of the song Pride, i simply called it what i did because most dont. Yes, their later albums were much more popular than the first 3, but in the world of music popularity really doesn't always mean better.
But like what you want, i dont care. Most of what i posted was simply as a lighthearted joke. Not to be taken seriously.
zudemaster Lol I understand what you're saying, I was just messing around as well. The rawness gave way to better song writing, so apples and oranges I guess. That goes for most bands who stay together a long time.
I was thinking if the FBI does finally come into the case what makes us think they would have any better results? Fresh eyes, maybe. Maybe they have looked into it, or members of it, just in a curious manner. But I guess the odds are pretty high since its been coming onto 13 years that the agents reviewing it probably have not even heard of the case. But if its older agents and not new ones they may not be "fresh" eyes either. Although it wouldn't surprise me if the FBI has some kind of work ethic or code that says its members can't or shouldn't be doing work off duty so they don't get biased or their thinking influenced by outside sources. But I would think thats impossible too, because its normal people with lives over years of there life, not a jury being held in an environment controlled (no ways to reads what the news is saying about the case) for a month, or a few days.
I hate the Scorpion comparison with that horrible photo. Maybe you didn't have all the info but as a photographer, I know I could photoshop down the quality of any photo down and put it in crazy lighting and weird tones and make someone look nuts. That photo is awful...
Ok, I think this episode should end all suicide theories. As a woman, I would never take all that stuff just to kill myself. It just not something
women would do. Given the items they found in car, it sounds like a woman headed for a fun weekend. Now I believe she was meeting someone or someone was with her. I just discovered this podcast. Great job, guys! I hope she is found.
What day was the next birth control pill? Where they in order as to the day? Like if she went missing on Monday, then the next pill in line to take would be in the Tuesday position!!!!!
I like the podcast but I wish you had another perspective because your comments on smoking and her snacking habits are a little close minded.
***** Yeah, absolutely my picks for a road trip snack.
Seems that if Maura got a ride with a stranger she wouldn't take a bag other than a bag with her wallet if she carried her wallet and ID in a bag thinking she'd able to gather her gear later. If she was grabbed or otherwise coerced Maura wouldn't be allowed to grab a bag, presumably. If she got a ride from someone she knew and didn't plan to return to the car, it seems likely that she'd take the essentials. With the money from her account Maura would be able to buy the non-essentials. And if she was planning on running down the road to a 'friendly' ride a backpack would be ideal and unless if she was planning on running into the forest to die.
So the alcohol was not in the car when found ? tells me someone at the party picked her up an also the doors were locked too? An I also was thinking maybe it was nate kibby she was meeting up with?
Every square foot of the woods have been searched with a line search...
Is the stuff in her car from her bag or were they in the car? If she was on the track team, she may have traveled a lot and kept extra items in her car...
I'll actually follow it by saying that every time I go to watch the channel and that photo pops up on the list I almost have to x out of the tab.
Now hearing that she actually packed, there is no way she went to commit suicide!
Can someone tell me what happened to episode 18?
What was missing from her car?
Who carries a headlight in your car , maybe a bulb but a headlight really that must have been there for a reason like a precious accident ????
Sorry no readers
Will they find Maura Murray ?
Will they find Maura Murray ?
Insane
As a woman I use head and shoulders. Also the cellophane might be noted because sometimes people use it to store drugs. The books as well as many things were probably already in her car. I feel women of that age keep all kinds of stuff in their car. In my opinion she's dead especially because she didn't come back for her mother's funeral. I hope her family finds peace.
Did anyone ever think maybe that bus driver killed her was he even checked
The school bus driver Butch Atwood lived in view of the crash site by The Moose Rack. He always parked the bus in the front yard but this day neighbors said he parked out back.
there was a red clog found a few yards away from the car and it was disregarded as "road trash". Does anyone know why this wasn't looked at closer by police?
steve b and how do you know that ?
Tim/Lance ~ I am POSITIVE either on a podcast or James Renner's blog it was stated MM took her favorite necklace AND stuffed animal with her when she left. Neither are listed in Items in the Car. Did she take them when she exited the vehicle? It would be of great help to obtain a description of both...... Im guessing the necklace meant something special to her so she may wear it on a regular basis which would be an identifying feature. ALSO, the stuff in the car is basically debris. 1/2 eaten food, 1 sock, shopping bags, toiletries, gym clothes, etc. Her belongings that were packed & left in the dorm - did they include her wardrobe??? AND it was previously reported Tim Carpenter took her things to an incinerator??? Thats just bizarre. Storing them for her return, or throwing out things that didnt have significance, but incinerating them??? beyond weird.
+Julie Newman If I remember correctly- in reference to that info - it was originally stated those items WERE found in the car... but they are not on this list. Was her sister Kathleen who was given the contents of the vehicle originally (only to have to return the stuff) allowed to keep those items???
+TheMJWarren it was reported Tim Carpenter (former bro-inlaw) took her packed up Dorm belongings & incinerated them. ??? No idea what happened to the misc stuff in the car. AND why didnt Tim have any hope she'd return & want her dorm belongings???
+Clint Harting i knew it. I knew I heard that info before.... soooo what does that mean ~ cause thats huge. sooooo who has those items...?
+Julie Newman no idea about good guys & Bad guys, Julie. Just trying to piece the facts together. shampoo, toothbrushes & twizzlers arent relevant.
+TheMJWarren just a little added info. The soda bottle that was found (under the car once it had been towed) apparently had a stick of red licorice protruding from the bottle (like a straw) police questioned both Billy and Fred about that.