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@@jessapaclibar6053 They come in women’s sizes so they can use them. I imagine they work just as well as the men’s versions, but I have not tested them for obvious reasons.

My thoughts exactly, on levitating 🫶

Thanks Brian, more in the making...

On a brighter note the Vapotfly 3 is on Black Friday Discount CA$340 -25%...

Ha. I was enjoying one of Tim's videos recently and he started talking about the Zoom Fly 6 so I stopped as i didn't want to be influenced before I made my review. Doing lots of testing against the AF3 for a future video...when I can come to some clear conclusions. and no, I won't be testing any stability shoes anytime soon...

Yes I do like these ones. Already over 50 miles. I have now done my own review video :)

Right so, will get watching!

That is terrible. At a minimum they should replace faulty or damaged goods.

I know there is no longer the no questions asked return policy if you don’t like them even after some use but a friend of mine returned this ZF6 because the outsole came loose on first run. Seems very odd they won’t refund/exhange faulty products. Did you check the exact wording of the returns policy ?

Here you go Tim The Irish returns policy www.nike.com/ie/help/a/returns-policy The British returns policy www.nike.com/gb/help/a/returns-policy The USA returns policy www.nike.com/help/a/returns-policy Looks like two years for defective or faulty goods in Ireland and UK. 60 days in the US

Glad you like the titles, will keep them this way, except for a video that is half finished, and when its released you won't need them. I think the returns policy allows you to run in the shoes. Can't find the T's & C's but otherwise not much point in hanging on to them for 60 days. I am going to hang on to these so won't be testing that bit!

Glad to hear it wasn't just me who didn't think much of them...

The point you make about the price/performance is a good one...which reminds me they have some new reflective gear I meant to check out...

Chris. Thanks for the comments. Great to get the feedback. The titles were a bit longer in this video than usual...and co-incided with me trying to cut down on the length of time they took. I will revert the time and keep trying to shorten the titles. I am not sure what right to left will look like but will try. My thinking is that with the titles coming from the left, your eyes move left to right. Will do some tests. Might send you a sample! The problem with the wobbly footage is the chest mount. My intention was to swap between it and the selfie stick, but then adrenaline overtook me! I thought most people would skip through or scrub through the footage, and in one way it made the chaotic night look, well chaotic. Will learn from this run for future technique improvements...at least that is the plan...

You were allowed to use the phone if you needed to. Luckily I didn't and a reasonable knowledge was fine. And in groups I guess they shared the knowledge. Nice route around the city in fairness, on both sides of the river

Yes there is a Daniel Libeskind building. Not a great success methinks. I'm not a fan of his work, and this one has been value engineered down...the Martha Schwartz landscaping is much more successful. www.dublindocklands.ie/visiting-docklands/things-do/sightseeing/grand-canal-square#:~:text=The%20Square%20features%20a%20striking,red%20glowing%20angled%20light%20sticks.

Medium

@@OldManRunner thank you.

@@threemaeng Size medium in everything apart from shoes which are UK12 EU48 USM13. Sizes of items tested are in the description

Tolunay Apologies. Have been away. Here is the raw detail: www.stryd.com/powercenter/runs/6518761507684352 www.stryd.com/powercenter/runs/5972755502235648 www.stryd.com/powercenter/runs/6645244804890624 www.stryd.com/powercenter/runs/6215238383468544 Not sure if you can see the footpath analysis on the links above.. I didn't delve into the Footpath analysis in this video. I kind of pick just enough of the data to make the point as best I can. I am going another session in a few weeks comparing the AF3 and ZoomFly 5 which has arrived, and which I have yet to run in. I will go into more footpath analysis there. Now to finish editing the Saysky Sub Rosa video...

I didn't get the Ace Pro 2. Shawn at Air Photography made a comparison video that you can see here: ruclips.net/video/b79DHu0Jm_M/видео.htmlsi=CRiwba5YQmlZls9s Tamara Gabriel made a comparison video that you can see here: ruclips.net/video/xGo16YQRXbU/видео.htmlsi=D0X_y3FUns7NBbzu Hope this helps

@@OldManRunner THANKS AND I GUESS YOU SHOULD BUY Hohem iSteady Pro 4 for night stablisation

Apologies. I usually try to include the numbers. Thanks for all of the interesting points.

I had an arthroscopy on my right knee about five years ago, before I ever ran in carbon plate shoes. Since then I have run 14 marathons all is carbon plate shoes without any serious injury. This might be coincidental rather than causal. I mix carbon and non carbon plate shoes in my training, but for me they have been great, but it might just be me.

@@OldManRunner I am just calling out that you can't expect the Pegasus to feel the same as plated trainers and even you mention above that you train in non-plated shoes. Kind of an apples to orange comparison.

Tim, the trick with this test and why it took so long to do was figuring out how to get the weights and actually attach them. The trick was really in the socks. A pair of Sayskys that are not compression socks, but not far off. Once I slid them on the kept a lot of the weight from shifting. Yes the VF3 was taller on top but not at the sides, particularly. The HR only went down a small amount. I put this down to the testing, testing conditions. Usually I do the Treadmill sessions and then the Track sessions. This time I had to do the weighted Track and Treadmill sessions first and then the non weighted, so that I didn't have to go detaching and attaching the weights at the sports centre. On the second non weightes treadmill session as I was looking out I could see the Track filling up, and I think I may have started a little sooner than I would have liked and the HR and adrenaline might have been a bit higher than idea. But honestly, it was a huge amount of fun to do this.

Always regretted missing out on the Superblast...

@@OldManRunner Get SuperBlast 2. It is hard to get but more available than v1.

Thanks! It was funny. The first time I put the metal on a few of them dug in. Then come in strips of different small pieces and have sticky tape so I just tore a few off and moved them on each foot. The socks really helped bind them and prevent slipping. They were surprisingly comfortable.

You are right in that there is productive weight, and non productive weight. By way of example the added weights I used were non productive. Some plates and foams are productive. In general and there are a lot of generalities, lighter is better, but take that to the extreme in a shoe and there won't be a shoe. It is also true that when the weight is closer to your torso and not on the extremities of your foot, it is preferable. There simply is not enough research into running shoes. You can read the academic reports and the sample sizes are small. Some are conflicting, which is not unusual. I wish the sample sizes were bigger, that there were more tests and in part I make videos hoping it will spark people to produce more detailed studies. I am a mid pack runner and have found great benefits in carbon plate shoes, both in performance and recovery time. But everyone is different, which is why I would like to see larger studies and more factual data based results from manufacturers.

@@OldManRunner It's a fact Adidas Energy Rods 2.0 technology is an answer / response to the detrimental effects of running on a carbon plate (metatarsal stress). Additionally a shoe like the Nike Alpha Fly 3 class is engineered for a runner with an 18-22 (maybe 23) BMI who can forefoot and or midsole strike 26.2. Therein lies the fallacy of much of what you're saying. Race day carbon shoes are engineered for Elite runners of a specific physical profile and mechanics....and suggesting they are equally suitable for mid pack runners with a profoundly greater BMI and different mechanics is saying physics & engineering are not relevant. My 25 BMI forefoot striking in a Hoka Cielo X1 and its 2-layer PEBA midsole produces significant lateral sway in the forefoot, and HOKA will not dispute that and say it's due to the shoe not being engineered for my mass. All I'm saying is weight of a shoe is almost irrelevant for non-elite runners and racing 26.2. Your best performance is going to come from a shoe that is the least fatiguing and stressful for you over the distance -- regardless of it's weight.

I completely agree with your last sentence. It's just that for me the lighter weight of my carbon plate shoes causes me less fatiguing over the longer distances. Much as I love my Infinity RN 4 GTX that weighs twice what my Vaporfly 3's do, I would be exhausted after a half marathon in them, and my I would not run a marathon in my much loved superlight Streakfly's because they don't have enough cushioning. After 14 marathons in carbon plate shoes I have not had any injuries or stresses but I accept that everyone is different and these are just my experiences.

The Vaporfly 3 is an excellent shoe that combines both low weight and productivity whilst giving a comfortable ride. I’m a mid pack runner and definitely perform better in these shoes over 5k and half marathon distances. Interestingly they are not preferred by elite runners who want a more aggressive shoe (such as the Vaporfly 2). The compromise with this shoe is a lack of relative durability due to it having less outsole coverage, especially at the heel.

​@@RichardHitchcock-ig4lj That shoe has no rearfoot stability, was intentionally designed as such, and is not made for heel strike runners (which is the vast majority of the mid pack). Related to what you're saying this is seen in how the outer sole & ZoomX foam commonly separates & shreds (in less than 50 miles for heel strikers). This is documented by runners on lots of different forums with images and exactly what happened and is reported by Tom from the Run Testers (RUclips running shoe reviewers) and for him it happened at 35K/22 miles into the shoe and in their video he shows and tells the story of how the outer sole simply fell off and was shredding Zoomx. If you unpack what you're saying, you're critical of the shoe's engineering and design - in a context and use in which the shoe was never intended to serve or accommodate (heel striking).

Thanks for commenting and subscribing...!

I have some "stock" ones with more arch support and heel height that also add about 50g that has helped with some Achilles issues of late. Find them "better" for walking than running however. When running feels "different" and makes any shoe very firm and a bit uncomfortable if I go for too long Achilles issues or not. So yeah whilst that 50g makes me "slower" I feel it is more the actual insole itself. If I can I prefer to just run "as is" in a shoe.

The thing is, there is too little data. My study data is well, a bit lightweight. (You deserved that!) There are so many factors that detailed conclusions are hard to make, but broad brush ones I can stand over. Even in the three studies in the linked articles in the description have limitations of data sets. This one goes through some of the things that you mention: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7538857/ What I need is to run a marathon as light a weight as possible and have the guy beside me run with an added 10kg weight at the same time distance and pace (allowing for toilet breaks) and see how he gets on... If only I knew someone...

Oh crikey, I thought I had finally done with the weight testing videos...but this does sound interesting...have a couple of shoes in mind...

The thing about this test was that the weights were relly comfortable. I noticed the weight but there was no discomfort in the running...

I really enjoyed this test. There are so many variables to consider. You can make the shoe so light that in reality you are trending towards no shoe, and then all the factors of cushioning, distance, athlete weight...The real conclusion after three of these tests as far as I can stand over is the idea of keeping it lighter and keeping it tighter. 100g on my torso will have a negligible affect. I tell myself this as I am strapping on a chest camera for a night race later...

@OldManRunner by the looks of it (strava) you enjoyed the Saysky event 🫶 I wish I could run in minimal (therefore super light) shoes but my body breaks just thinking about it 😞

It's always that balance between lightness and load...I don't often run in my lightest Streakfly shoes, even though I love them. Was Vaporflying last night...and still buzzing after the event...

Glad you liked it...more to follow...

@OldManRunner nice

Just google it!

No it doesn't sound right, but have a read of the scientific reports in the description...a lot will depend on the athlete, the speed at which they are running etc. But 100g swinging off the end of each foot 42,000 times or so in a marathon will have some effect...

​@@OldManRunnerYeah I agree, I meant that 100g is a lot to have only 1% effect.

It is not actually speed but running economy which is determined by the amount of oxygen you consume (convert to CO2). Basically your body has to work metabolically harder to maintain the same speed. They put a face mask in the lab while you are running on a treadmill and analyze the gasses as time passes.

@@TolunayOrkun And the lab says that for every 100g you add to your shoes you need 1% more effort? 1% seems like too little to me for 100g. I feel a world of difference from a shoe that's 200g and one that's 300g.

I meant to say in the video that this race is kind of like a local Parkrun, with a light infrastructure touch. It is surprising because it has a lovely low key nature and at the same time has the record for Britains Fastest 10 mile race. I like how it is broken up by the bridges and of course running by the river is always a treat for me. I love the 10 mile distance, would love to do the one in Washington. There are so many races I have planned for next year. Four marathons and two half marathons and then some other races depending on lotteries and things...I did a lot more races this year than last and loved all of them, as they really break up the training...and thankfully I did not break my Stryd...

The Vaporfly 3 is regularly on discount now with Nike, haven,t seen the Alphafly 3 on discount, but eventually it will. Ran my Marathon PB in the VF3, and recently ran a really enjoyable 10 mile race in the AF3

I agree. I bought it for other reasons and am just trying to find the least worst option. Until they get larger sensors, there will be marginal improvements

@@OldManRunner The sensors might get a tiny little bit bigger but I can't see them getting much bigger because the cameras will need to be bigger and if that happens then you're better off just using s small mirrorless camera because they ARE great in low light.

Cheers Andy!

*You Should get the Osmo Pocket 3, I think it would suit ya better, although the Action5 is an Amazing Action Camera*

@@Sirinealameddine I get great video and photos out of my iPhone and use it every day. I wish they would just take the lenses and photography hardware and software and package them in an action camera form with a mounting system…

@@jay-j6l The performance does fall off in low light. I’m just trying to find the least worst most acceptable scenario.

@@babyboy1971 My use case suits Rick Steady better than + so I won’t be using that. Thanks for the heads up on the 1/200. Will give it a go. I got a lot of grain in video mode but it might work well in Super Night. I have seen some videos online where the Ace Pro 2 seems to perform a little better. But is marginal. Both seem way better than the GoPro 13. The Ction 5 has so many other features that interest me. One surprising feature is how easy it is to use…

I think it's only fair that like all the tech, we get upgraded on an annual basis...

Ha! The next one is a Sayksy Sub Rosa Night Race next week. Sort of like Urban Orienteering. I hope to film the experience saysky.com/blogs/saysky-journal/saysky-sub-rosa-fall-series?srsltid=AfmBOopugDf4nURIbqKW-Q_RECteM9ZMFZCtHpCd9JtvobfN2yd1_BmV

@@bev9708 ha ha ha at illuminating, well played Bev 🫶

@@OldManRunner that sounds great 👍

@@bartekzielinski1645 Can’t claim that one Bartek, it was Barry’s little joke at the end of the video!! 😆😁 Hope you’re doing well!!

@@OldManRunner ENJOY Barry!!!

It is indeed a very nice Alfa. He will be very pleased!