I have the VF 3, the Inv 3 and the Streakfly, also AF 1 & 2 and have no intention to buy a Peg plus but have the Ultrafly and use them often on my road-to-trail runs.
I have most of the Nike shoes incl currently the ZF5 VF3 AF3 SF Peg41 (been running in Nike since the late 70's) and I decided to try the PP. I found it underwhelming to be honest. Maybe I need to give it more time...I found it was very firm and seemed to be very flat.
.... and I also have the Zegama 1 & 2 which I like , could you do a durometer test on the Zegamas (if you own them - you should as they are ZoomX shoes !!! 😉) and the Ultrafly ... I don't know if it makes sense at the Ultrafly as its midsole is "covered"?
Stephen. As you probably know I don't watch reviews before I make my own and it is always a relief to discover I am not the only person who felt a particular way about a shoe...
Funnily enough I was disappointed by the Ultrafly. It might have been my expectations of some form of lightweight absorbent magic trail carpet...and as I don't run on trail as often as I would like I gave them up, and loved The North Face Vectiv Pro...
Yes. Quite intriguing really but there could be all sorts of logistical and marketing dynamics I am unaware of. I am really interested in the projected Streakfly with a carbon plate. Not quite the same thing but should be intriguing...
Fabulous video Barry! I loved the idea of comparing all the current versions of zoom x shoes. Amd the way you did it (track, treadmill, durometer) was spot on in my book. Amd the fact that the alphaflys were 33% softer than the pegaaus plus tells me they can't be exactly the same foams.
Chris. Delighted you enjoyed it...I enjoy making all these tests as it gives me an interest in getting out the door. I am doing some more digging in how the foams are finalised in each shoe...I think a few more shoe sawing sessions might be in order...
Very impressive and useful analysis! Nike still has the best foam in the market (there is at least one formula of zoomx that is their hero product); however they just cant make a good shoe anymore! And people cant stop expecting greatness from them!
Great video. Your experience with the Streakfly mirrors mine. This past winter I used it exclusively for interval workouts on a treadmill and they are great for that.
Despite the limitations of this review, VERY interesting Barry!!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻. For the treadmill, I far prefer my shoes which are too worn out for more than very short road runs, which are too dead or which bottom out too quickly … I find them perfect on the treadmill which works out very well !! 😁
As you can imagine I have quite a few shoes to wear out...! Going to do some more treadmill running in a few weeks for a video...as soon as I get Dingle done...
I really like the Pegasus Plus and I have all versions of the Alphafly (10 in total), the first Vaporfly Next% and the.original Invincible. It reminds me a bit of the Superblast. The upper is very comfortable and is a perfect fit for my foot shape.
I think they are a good shoe that you can do daily training miles and do some tempo etc. In other words, it is a performance daily trainer. Nike didn't have a good option for that spot. This kind of completes Nike rotation. I also recycle older racer to training but the outsoles are not designed to last so a more durable performance trainer option has an appeal. That said, Adidas adizero SL2 is the best value for daily miles this year (IMHO).
You are right, this is designed for more miles than a carbon plate shoe, and will be more durable. It's just I wouldn't want to run so many miles in them and as you say there are other and better options
@@OldManRunner so agree with @TolunayOrkun on Nike adding this shoe to complete their training arsenal AND on SL2 being a better value shoe. Ultimately for me, old racing shoes do the job even better. Especially now when I'm running less I don't want to let them sit in the cupboard indefinitely ... so it's been carbon plated easy jog walks and running never felt better 😂🫶
@@OldManRunner So, I got a pair myself for $130 at this colorway which was discounted at Nike app from $180. I think at $130 they are worthy. Meanwhile both Adidas and Nike has some new performance trainers. Adizero EVO SL will be selling for $150 (when we can buy it) and has full Adios Pro 3 version of LightStrike Pro. I think the price is competitive. Meanwhile, Nike just came out with ZoomFly 6, which unlike previous several iterations getting quite a bit of favorable buzz. Will you be testing any of these two shoes?
Funnily enough Tolunay I had been thinking of getting the Zoom Fly 6, and then I got obsessed with another pair of running shoes that I waited months to become available, and then I forgot about the Zoom Fly 6. Thanks for reminding me, a pair are now on their way! The other shoes will be reviewed sometime in January...SZoom Fly 6 in a couple of weeks I guess...maybe sooner if they get here fast!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the current ZoomX lineup. If you don't mind me asking, how much do you weigh? I am over 100kg at the moment, and I am curious about how much of a difference the weight of the runner makes to how a shoe feels and performs.
Glad you enjoyed the video and I don't mind answering about my weight. I weigh 92.4kg/203.lbs as of this morning. My ideal weight would be 78-80kg. I am 172.5cm tall/5'8" tall, otherwise known as, not very. I think the weight of the runner will make a difference, particularly in how much cushioning that might be needed. In the past I have been over 100kg, running occasionally, and when I was, I wore more cushioned shoes. Recently I made a video on the weight of the actual shoe and what difference it makes: ruclips.net/video/yRciUATMHhQ/видео.html People commented that I should use the same shoe and add weight to the shoe rather than try different weighted shoes. So I bought some weights to make exactly that video. But your comment has given me some ideas as to another video, where I keep the weight the same and add weight to myself. So I will add some weights, do some tests and see how I get on! I am running a marathon next weekend and will be making videos about that for the next couple of weeks, but after that I will make the video.
Barry, Let us known how you get on with the Nike return, they changed the T&C's to unworn returns only, as in tested for fit not for running, at least in UK and US, will be interesting to see if they accept light use.
My favourite all rounder is the New Balance SuperComp Elite v4. It is fast, but not too narrow to be unwieldy on training days and reasonably robust for a carbon plate shoe. I have run two marathons in them and they are holding up well. Alex Yee was wearing a pair when he won the Olympic Triathlon in Paris
@@OldManRunner oh alright! thanks for being helpful.. one more question if no pain.. i wanna stick with nike so which one shd i choose pegasus plus, streakfly, vomero 17, or the infitity 4 for fast sprints - 4-5k
it's a pretty bad review comparison of the Pegasus Plus. It's not a race shoe or a recovery shoe. You might want to save your knees and stop running so much in plated shoes.
I had an arthroscopy on my right knee about five years ago, before I ever ran in carbon plate shoes. Since then I have run 14 marathons all is carbon plate shoes without any serious injury. This might be coincidental rather than causal. I mix carbon and non carbon plate shoes in my training, but for me they have been great, but it might just be me.
@@OldManRunner I am just calling out that you can't expect the Pegasus to feel the same as plated trainers and even you mention above that you train in non-plated shoes. Kind of an apples to orange comparison.
HOLY SHIT!!! You will need to build a new massive ***CLOSET***. There just won't be enough room. Is the MALE mannequin also in that CLOSET??? 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅😛
Although I didn't warm to the Pegasus Plus, perhaps you did. It would be great to hear what you think of the Pegasus Plus or other ZoomX shoes...
I have the VF 3, the Inv 3 and the Streakfly, also AF 1 & 2 and have no intention to buy a Peg plus but have the Ultrafly and use them often on my road-to-trail runs.
I have most of the Nike shoes incl currently the ZF5 VF3 AF3 SF Peg41 (been running in Nike since the late 70's) and I decided to try the PP. I found it underwhelming to be honest. Maybe I need to give it more time...I found it was very firm and seemed to be very flat.
.... and I also have the Zegama 1 & 2 which I like , could you do a durometer test on the Zegamas (if you own them - you should as they are ZoomX shoes !!! 😉) and the Ultrafly ... I don't know if it makes sense at the Ultrafly as its midsole is "covered"?
Stephen. As you probably know I don't watch reviews before I make my own and it is always a relief to discover I am not the only person who felt a particular way about a shoe...
Funnily enough I was disappointed by the Ultrafly. It might have been my expectations of some form of lightweight absorbent magic trail carpet...and as I don't run on trail as often as I would like I gave them up, and loved The North Face Vectiv Pro...
I liked this review. Amazing that Nike make some of the best race shoes, but can't make a good daily trainer or tempo trainer.
Yes. Quite intriguing really but there could be all sorts of logistical and marketing dynamics I am unaware of. I am really interested in the projected Streakfly with a carbon plate. Not quite the same thing but should be intriguing...
Fabulous video Barry! I loved the idea of comparing all the current versions of zoom x shoes. Amd the way you did it (track, treadmill, durometer) was spot on in my book. Amd the fact that the alphaflys were 33% softer than the pegaaus plus tells me they can't be exactly the same foams.
Chris. Delighted you enjoyed it...I enjoy making all these tests as it gives me an interest in getting out the door. I am doing some more digging in how the foams are finalised in each shoe...I think a few more shoe sawing sessions might be in order...
Very impressive and useful analysis!
Nike still has the best foam in the market (there is at least one formula of zoomx that is their hero product); however they just cant make a good shoe anymore! And people cant stop expecting greatness from them!
I think I might be guilty of expecting too much..
Great video. Your experience with the Streakfly mirrors mine. This past winter I used it exclusively for interval workouts on a treadmill and they are great for that.
Great to hear you enjoyed it. Wish I had figured out using the Streakflys on the treadmiil before now, but happy I finally did...
Despite the limitations of this review, VERY interesting Barry!!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻. For the treadmill, I far prefer my shoes which are too worn out for more than very short road runs, which are too dead or which bottom out too quickly … I find them perfect on the treadmill which works out very well !! 😁
As you can imagine I have quite a few shoes to wear out...! Going to do some more treadmill running in a few weeks for a video...as soon as I get Dingle done...
@@OldManRunner I would be surprised if you had ANY worn out shoes Barry!!😂😂
Always love your reviews!
Thanks Andrew!
I really like the Pegasus Plus and I have all versions of the Alphafly (10 in total), the first Vaporfly Next% and the.original Invincible.
It reminds me a bit of the Superblast.
The upper is very comfortable and is a perfect fit for my foot shape.
I think I expected too much of the Pegasus Plus, but glad to hear that you like them
Great video 🎉🎉🎉
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it.
I think they are a good shoe that you can do daily training miles and do some tempo etc. In other words, it is a performance daily trainer. Nike didn't have a good option for that spot. This kind of completes Nike rotation. I also recycle older racer to training but the outsoles are not designed to last so a more durable performance trainer option has an appeal.
That said, Adidas adizero SL2 is the best value for daily miles this year (IMHO).
You are right, this is designed for more miles than a carbon plate shoe, and will be more durable. It's just I wouldn't want to run so many miles in them and as you say there are other and better options
@@OldManRunner so agree with @TolunayOrkun on Nike adding this shoe to complete their training arsenal AND on SL2 being a better value shoe.
Ultimately for me, old racing shoes do the job even better. Especially now when I'm running less I don't want to let them sit in the cupboard indefinitely ... so it's been carbon plated easy jog walks and running never felt better 😂🫶
@@OldManRunner So, I got a pair myself for $130 at this colorway which was discounted at Nike app from $180. I think at $130 they are worthy. Meanwhile both Adidas and Nike has some new performance trainers. Adizero EVO SL will be selling for $150 (when we can buy it) and has full Adios Pro 3 version of LightStrike Pro. I think the price is competitive. Meanwhile, Nike just came out with ZoomFly 6, which unlike previous several iterations getting quite a bit of favorable buzz. Will you be testing any of these two shoes?
Funnily enough Tolunay I had been thinking of getting the Zoom Fly 6, and then I got obsessed with another pair of running shoes that I waited months to become available, and then I forgot about the Zoom Fly 6. Thanks for reminding me, a pair are now on their way! The other shoes will be reviewed sometime in January...SZoom Fly 6 in a couple of weeks I guess...maybe sooner if they get here fast!
@@OldManRunner Hopefully, ZF6 does not disappoint 🤞
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the current ZoomX lineup. If you don't mind me asking, how much do you weigh? I am over 100kg at the moment, and I am curious about how much of a difference the weight of the runner makes to how a shoe feels and performs.
Glad you enjoyed the video and I don't mind answering about my weight. I weigh 92.4kg/203.lbs as of this morning. My ideal weight would be 78-80kg. I am 172.5cm tall/5'8" tall, otherwise known as, not very. I think the weight of the runner will make a difference, particularly in how much cushioning that might be needed. In the past I have been over 100kg, running occasionally, and when I was, I wore more cushioned shoes.
Recently I made a video on the weight of the actual shoe and what difference it makes:
ruclips.net/video/yRciUATMHhQ/видео.html
People commented that I should use the same shoe and add weight to the shoe rather than try different weighted shoes. So I bought some weights to make exactly that video. But your comment has given me some ideas as to another video, where I keep the weight the same and add weight to myself. So I will add some weights, do some tests and see how I get on! I am running a marathon next weekend and will be making videos about that for the next couple of weeks, but after that I will make the video.
I made a follow up video here to try and answer your question in greater depth:
ruclips.net/video/1m_p-ZKiUvE/видео.html
Barry, Let us known how you get on with the Nike return, they changed the T&C's to unworn returns only, as in tested for fit not for running, at least in UK and US, will be interesting to see if they accept light use.
Will do. Expect to pack them tomorrow and will see what happens…
which is the best fir sprinting?
Alphafly 3, Vaporfly 3 and then possibly the Streakfly
@@OldManRunner thanks so which would you recommend if i want a shoe for fast 100m sprints to 4km races and is a trainer?
My favourite all rounder is the New Balance SuperComp Elite v4. It is fast, but not too narrow to be unwieldy on training days and reasonably robust for a carbon plate shoe. I have run two marathons in them and they are holding up well. Alex Yee was wearing a pair when he won the Olympic Triathlon in Paris
@@OldManRunner oh alright! thanks for being helpful.. one more question if no pain.. i wanna stick with nike so which one shd i choose pegasus plus, streakfly, vomero 17, or the infitity 4 for fast sprints - 4-5k
I would go for the Streakfly...but the Vaporfly 3 is regularly on discount and if you can stretch to them, go for them
it's a pretty bad review comparison of the Pegasus Plus. It's not a race shoe or a recovery shoe. You might want to save your knees and stop running so much in plated shoes.
I had an arthroscopy on my right knee about five years ago, before I ever ran in carbon plate shoes. Since then I have run 14 marathons all is carbon plate shoes without any serious injury. This might be coincidental rather than causal. I mix carbon and non carbon plate shoes in my training, but for me they have been great, but it might just be me.
@@OldManRunner I am just calling out that you can't expect the Pegasus to feel the same as plated trainers and even you mention above that you train in non-plated shoes. Kind of an apples to orange comparison.
HOLY SHIT!!! You will need to build a new massive ***CLOSET***. There just won't be enough room. Is the MALE mannequin also in that CLOSET??? 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅😛