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same thing here

How is it too small for you, it's built for big hands and you have average hands

@@pav1u if you want something bigger than the DA V3 the EC1-C or CW would be the next step up in size. But I found it to be a little too big personally. Still, it’s on my desk right now. If you like palm grip I love the Logi MX Master but with a polling rate of only 125 hz and quite a heavy weight it’s a tough sell for gaming in its current version. Vaxee Outset you might also consider if you’re looking at larger ish ergos. But overall I think prefer the EC1 shape personally

@@Spectrulight I think the DA V3 was more or less targeted at the average guy’s hand size. I have 19.5 x 10.5 cm hands and it’s definitely too narrow for me and I found the finger ledge to definitely be too short. But for claw it’s a dream I’d say.

@@BlindBison that's everso slightly bigger than average. I have 20x12 hands which is also slightly above average and it feels normal

One mouse I'm very curious about that I've not really seen anyone try or review is the Razer Pro Click -- seems like on paper it'd be fairly decent for large hands and has 1000 hz polling unlike the MX Master (basically its competitor). That mouse is fairly cheap now too iirc so i've been meaning to pick one up eventually. I've not used it though so take that with a grain of salt. Vaxee Outset feels bigger in the hand then the DA V3 and fixes the sharp corner finger ledge problem (wheel and cable are pretty rough on the original though/the one I've got so perhaps wireless would be the way to go there). EC1-CW is about the largest mouse I've used or can think of at the moment.

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I really love the V2 shape - I think that mouse is flawed in some ways and I’ve talked about that before but the core shape they’ve got going is really comfortable for palm grip and sort of medium larger hands imo - very unique ergo. Kinda sad they took the direction they did since the V3 is almost more of a Mamba successor maybe than a DeathAdder one.

19.5 x 10.5 cm with fingers pressed together/no gaps.

The wheel is really bad I agree with you - well at least they’ve got a lot of room for improvement on the eventual DA V4 (let’s hope)

@@Cirkularr appreciate the recommendation I’ll look it up in the shape compare tools! I know I used to love the SS Rival 310 but that got discontinued.

ik what you mean, its slippery because the sides are flat. resutling in no grip

@@liron8163 i bought razer grip tape now it its perfect!

@@liron8163 Add grip tape on the sides and buttons. It makes it way better.

The original white pro one has a much better shell material and coating for my taste - more chalky and matte whereas now all the ones they’re making are that cheap smooth feeling plastic which I’m not a fan of myself. Don’t get me wrong it’s not a bad mouse but it really should be better than it is and they made some very strange oversights like the finger ledge harsh edge sucking and the clicks/wheel being pretty bad.

@@BlindBison Actually the clicks are good. I used to own many Chinese mice and they all felt cheap with m1 and M2 wobbling/creaking/pre/post travel. My adder clicks are just firm. The scroll wheel also fine it's just a bit higher for some reason which I cannot understand. But the shape needs more curvature I never understood what's the point at making the sides flat, I added grip tape to my mouse and it slightly helped

Going off the reviews I’ve read, yeah it seems like Keychron needs better quality control and consistency on that front. For many they say their stand turned out fine, but mine definitely were not sadly. Good to know your experience there, thanks man That IBM board you’ve got on your channel looks amazing, will give that a watch after work.

I hear you man, good points. Lately I've been hearing good things about the Nuphy Halo 75 V2s, not so much because they're the best boards around, but rather because the price point is lower and people like the Ghostbar. I'm curious to try Melgeek's boards eventually. I really don't understand why it's so hard to get a prebuilt board that nails its stabilizers/lubes them properly from the get go. Seems like we've been dealing with "ticking" and "rattle" for years and years and unless you deal with it yourself (often it's quite a pain if you go for the holee mod full shebang) you'll be dealing with it some degree or another with most of these prebuilts, even the expensive ones. Seems like by now one of these companies should've designed/incorporated a stabilizer set that's manufactured with a built-in holee mod type solution and proper lubricant -- something in that vein to solve ticking and rattle comprehensively. I see you've got a GMMK2 vid on your channel! Will check that out tomorrow after work. Have a great week man

Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve been meaning to get my hands on one of those and I’d also like to try to modern 502.

Thanks lol

I have a few wireless mice including the wireless white DA V3, but I don't mind cables too much provided it's a good one like the DA V2 speedflex (not the DA V3 cable) or the EC2-C cable. On the other hand the Outset AX cable for my unit is like a stick, absolutely awful cable on an otherwise fantastic mouse (probably the best build quality for the shell/clicks I've ever seen is my Vaxee Outset) and the DA V3 cable is also very irritating for me. One thing I'm sort of paranoid about is what happens to my wireless mouse once the internal battery dies -- usually that's a problem for years down the line and something else is likely to break first, but it's part of why having a good connecting cable still matters to me on wireless mice since if I want to play wired to charge or if down the road the battery goes to crap with a good cable might not be too bad really (some wireless mice sadly have way worse cables than their wired versions, the DA V2 vs DA V2 Pro is an example of this). And yeah I hear you -- for the DA V3 ledge, I actually think it feels very natural provided your fingers aren't coming off the end and resting on that harsh edge. More natural than the EC2-C ledge curve in fact. "But" I have really wide hands such that most ergos are too narrow and when that happens the only way to really palm/relaxed finger tip them comfortably for me is to choke up on them more at which point my fingers basically always come off the end and it feels terrible for me. Mainly I just think that making that ledge end slant back rather than going all the way to the end of the click and then leaving it a raw edge instead of more gracefully rounding it off is a design error since implementing those changes would probably hurt no existing users while making the mouse far better for users with big hands who like the grip I do. I don't want to miscommunicate though, I do think overall the DA V3 is a really good mouse.

Wired is coming back. They have no connectivity or latency issues that the wireless have and they are a bit lighter too. Also, they are so much cheaper for the same performance. Win win. I have the Deathadder V3 Wired and it's great.

@@BlindBison Delux M900 Pro wider

@@B.F.D. Thanks that looks like a very similar shape at a glance - hope it’s in the shape compressed RTNGS tool, will look into that one later today. How are the clicks and wheel?

@@BlindBison I have not it. I just looked at the reviews.

It depends a lot on one’s preferred grip type and your hand size. For either smaller (or more narrow) hands or someone clawing for example those issues may not be noticed anywhere near as much. The thing is, elongating the ledge at least to the end of the click then rounding it off like Vaxee / Zowie do and improving that connecting edge/piece at the bottom (smaller, rounding it like Zowie/Vaxee) would hurt nobody while making the mouse a lot better for some users. To be clear, I think the DA V3 is a great mouse - it’s just also that certain parts of it honestly feel like a prototype to me in need of further refinement in a future iteration. By comparing the mouse against other ergos, especially Vaxee and Zowie, some of those shortcomings (which may not be a deal breaker for many in fairness) become more apparent and it sort of makes me wonder if they weren’t as thorough in their user testing as they should’ve been during development. I’m really happy you’re enjoying yours! I’m super picky and sometimes wish I could just enjoy things lol. Overall it is a very good option. Sensor and weight are better than the EC2-C and it has a pseudo unibody shell as well + split trigger switches so some advantages for sure.

​@@BlindBisonhonestly, I appreciate all the insights you've had. It definitely has reminded me to keep my mind open to other improved designs available out there.

@@handsomebassman No problem, I just really like mice and keyboards and it’s fun hearing about new ones from other people (then I load them up in the RTNGS shape compare tool). I own way too many and over time some things just stick out to you. Usually one mouse isn’t “better in every way across the board”, usually it’s better noticeably in some specific respects VS another which has its own pros and cons. Even this video for the DA V3 - yes I’d give the overall win to the EC2-C myself “but” the DA has a number of hard wins of its own (split trigger switches, unibody shell, the slightly larger size is a bit better for my hand size, weight, polling rate + sensor, more natural feeling ledge curve to me assuming one’s fingers don’t come off the end). I rotate between my mice a lot til one or two things irritate me then I switch lol. Right now I’m using the Vaxee Outset and that thing is extremely well built with incredible click feel (though it too has some aspects I’m not too fond of like the raised hump height being too tall imo + the wheel being not as good as Zowie’s and the cable being like a stick).

Good to know your view, I haven't used that mouse yet -- at a glance it looks similar in shape to the EC2, but I will say I strongly dislike when mice put holes in their shell (could just be a me thing). At a glance the price point seems quite fair on the Pulsar site (80 usd for a good quality wireless product is pretty competitive these days).

@@BlindBison the Xlite V3 has no holes except an exposed underplate, the Xlite is simply an EC2 but with better coating/sensor/clicks etc.

@@re4796 Good to know thanks -- I must've been viewing the store page for the V2 then. That's pretty awesome they listened to feedback for the shell. Do you recall what the wheel/middle click are like?

@@BlindBison well, I do own the V2 Mini Wireless, I'm not sure how to describe them, they're average? weighty for sure though

@@re4796 Do you ever accidentally mis-scroll the wheel while pushing the middle click? The DA V3 that happens to me all the time and weirdly how “notchy” light the scroll wheel is is actually a bit different feeling between my wireless one and wired one. Thanks!

Agreed, in my view Zowie nails the fundamentals (click feel, great side buttons, best in class wheel+middle click, solid cable, extremely good and thoughtful shape with lots of attention to detail for the little things) -- but at the same time, they don't use a unibody or pseudo unibody shell, their shell material/texture/coating on the wired -C variant at least isn't anywhere near my favorite, and the polling rate/sensor are behind the times. Also no split trigger switches and, for me, the EC2 is a bit too small while the EC1 is a bit too large. They definitely have clear areas for improvement -- but in terms of the core fundamentals that matter most there probably isn't a mouse I respect as much thinking on it.

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Probably the EC2-C though I alternate a good bit. The sad fact of it is the EC2 I know is a bit too small for me while the EC1 is a bit too large. For my hands, my general feeling is that a theoretical EC1.5 would be just about perfect, but that doesn't exist and other ergos similar to that are noticeably worse in other ways. The EC1 mainly just feels so tall in the hand to me that it sort of hurts of my hand to palm/relaxed fingertip grip after awhile. But the EC2-C is probably a smidge too short in length and in particular too narrow to be perfectly comfortable for my hand size/dimensions so it is what it is. Both are great mice and it sort of just depends on how big your hands are I'd say. The DA V3 has potential in the sense that a theoretical V4 could come along and fix all my gripes, but as it is now I think it's a worse mouse than the EC2-CW in terms of the fundamentals while being a better mouse in the mouse in core specs area (polling rate/sensor/weight). Another future hope would be Vaxee -- Vaxee's mice are extremely well built in my experience and I own the Outset which is a great mouse too in its own right. However that mouse the back mouse hump has a raised profile which to me is a bit uncomfortable to palm for long periods because it's just too tall imo.

@@BlindBison Thanks, I've had an EC1 for a while but I just got the 2. And well, I'm in the same boat - 1 is too tall and 2 is a bit small. I want to try the NP-01 and Outset, if they ever restock the wired versions.

@@Scurvyrot I recommend using the RTNGS shape compare tool - the NP-01 shape looks fantastic but it doesn’t really look to be any bigger than the EC2 (regrettably imo). Outset is a great shape but overall I think I order the EC2s core shape - the outset is a bit shorter in length and has a very raised back hump. It’s quite good, but I honestly think an EC1.5 would be better. Don’t want to undersell the outset though best built mouse I think I’ve used/great clicks/unibody shell. Worth trying imo - personally I’d prefer the mouse hump not be so raised/tall and I’d prefer the front portion where the clicks are to be lengthened out a bit but it probably depends on your hands and how you grip - I like it for claw a lot (but I don’t use claw grip I use palm as my main).

@@BlindBison Thanks for the info and making me aware of the shape compare tool

@@Scurvyrot I love that tool, it’s awesome. And np

Hey thanks :) Yeah, I don’t want to miscommunicate in that I do think overall the DA V3 is a pretty good mouse. But for me I think I prefer the shape and scroll wheel of the V2 overall and there are just too many little things (or big things actually - when it comes to the finger ledge slant back harsh edge and sub par wheel/clicks) that hold it back from being truly great imo. I really wish Vaxee would give us an EC2 clone in between the 1 and 2 in size and/or that Zowie would grant us a proper EC1.5 - but barring that maybe the DA V4 will solve some of our gripes - here’s hoping.

Thanks man, yeah sadly it seems most ergos these days are not primarily focused on relaxed fingertip grip/palm and they’re just not wide enough in the right most direction and/or they feel uncomfortably tall like the EC1. I’ll let you know if I find something better down the road.

Vaxee Outset wireless, Asus Keris II or dav 3 Wireless with 4K dongle

DA V3 Pro isn’t really “crap” it’s a pretty good mouse. But I do think overall the EC1/EC2 or perhaps the Outset AX/NP-01 are generally better built and have more thoughtful shapes in certain ways. How big are your hands? Mine are 19.5 x 10.5. If your hands are smaller I would recommend the EC2-CW as a strong option. Lots of choices though, I own tons of mice and none of them are “quite right” for me. DA V3 is on my desk quote a bit though despite my issues with it. If you claw grip I’d say my complaints are far less relevant if that matters.

How did you do that? With the click button?

Regrettably I don’t own one, but my bet based on what I’m reading / based on the shape and dimensions is that I probably would favor the DA V3 over the HyperS PFH2. But I like ergos and they’re very different shapes.

How about the Rog Harpe wireless, superlight 2, viper v2 pro if you have had any of these before, how do they compare to this one?@@BlindBison

do not buy hyperex i have bought haste 2 and i have 2 problems with scrool and sensor@@didaka8

@@didaka8 Well I can say it is complete different and not too comparable to the Super light or Viper since the size and shape are really different. Superlight has my favorite shell material/coating but the side buttons are really mushy/bad imo and I prefer ergo shapes myself. For me of those options I’d probably use the DA V3 personally. It’s really not a bad mouse (it’s quite a good one overall actually) but it’s also disappointing for me as I wish they’d made some different design choices.

I might be misunderstanding, do you mean you prefer the DA V3 clicks or the G102 clicks? Thanks But boy those two are very different shapes.

I prefer g102 clicks.. they are way lighter@@BlindBison

It is true.. Shape-wise they are so different. Honestly i dont even know why would i buy DeathAdderV3 to begin with if i wasn't happy with DeathAdder Essential as well.. Great mice but shape and clicks are not for me@@BlindBison

Yeah, the cable is pretty bad. Not only is it shorter than the cable on the DA V2 wired it’s much stiffer and gets twisted up constantly. Very inflexible. They seem to have just carried over the cable from the wireless version where it was more acceptable since you’d be using it wired all the time (though I still value a good cable on wireless mice since you’ll likely have to play with it sometimes and eventually the internal battery will die/get bad). My bet is because of 8K polling it had to be thicker perhaps like you’re saying. Definitely an area for improvement. I’m also surprised that more mice don’t do the Zowie thing where they tilt the cable up since that means it drags on the pad a bit less. I don’t need 8K support but I would like 2K or perhaps 4K with a great sensor/implementation. Going off the optimum tech videos for wireless mice especially when you’re considering a balance with battery life it seems he settled on 2K polling after his testing.

Other problem I faced with this mouse is even if we want change to tradicional paracord the connector is not compatible otherwise I would put my zowie C series cable on it or any other paracord. Lets hope we get Viper mini treatment but this time DAv3 mini (Atleast viper mini cable is still better than the current one) @@BlindBison

@@cringekid69 Good idea with the cable swap, shame it’s not compatible here. A lot of people cable swapped the Vaxee Outset I recall as the original cable was like a stick lol. And yeah, I hear you. Maybe they’ll do that down road.

@@cringekid69 the shielding is not required for 8khz to work, I'm using the dav3 at 8khz with a paracord and it works. But when I ordered my paracord the guy who made it said that the cable length for 8khz to work should be max 1.5m, i think i went for 1.3m or 1.4m to be save and because I don't need the cable to be longer. And like you said, the connector is different but usually if you order from someone who sells custom paracords they have that JST connector. There are other mice that use that connector, too. But you should make sure that the guy you order from knows about the different connector.

Thats awesome to know, where did you got the custom cable from? @@Katze822228

Thanks a lot I’ll take a look at that

I know exactly what you mean -- I imagine it would be even a bit worse for you as your hands are slightly bigger than mine. Imo if you're looking for a good ergo take a look at the EC1-C or the wireless CW. I own one and find it to be slightly too big for me with my 19.5 x 10.5 ish hands, but for you it might work great. I mention this in the vid, but I think the DA V3 could be a lot better for people with larger hands if they simply lengthened out the finger ledge on the right side and rounded the harsh corners under the clicks that connect the front to the side pieces (eg like Zowie/Vaxee do). If you try to palm with large hands you by necessity wind up holding the mouse further forward and thus I find my fingers come off the end of the finger ledge and you feel that sharp/harsh corner which doesn't feel good. It makes me genuinely wonder if they even tested this shape appropriately it seems like such an obvious oversight imo.