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This is proof that there are all types of players, in wow I don't even touch the healer with a stick, in ff14 I am a main healer XD. In wow, on the other hand, I'm only dps and I avoid what seems complicated to me, I want to play to chillout, I don't need the "satisfaction" of a rotation executed with 90-100% perfection :P The question then is, what kind of people is the game for? Personally, I think that healers as a function should disappear and be replaced by supports, that healing should be easy and that the expression of skill should be in the support aspect.

Combat just needs to be slowed down, self sustain heavily nerfed for tanks, and one shot damage reeled in.

From my experience with wow healing I would say holy priest feels like a really well designed healer from both a damage complexity perspective as well as a healing capability one. As healing I always feel like I have something for every situation whether that be intense group healing, slower rot damage or instant swap spot healing and a lot of that comes down to the current tier set and holy words. As for damage I feel like it has just the right amount of damage buttons to feel engaging to weave damage in-between heal checks with chastise holy fire and smite all interacting with each other. All of this comes down to how their CDs are also used cause you can use them for both healing and damage depending on the situation, apotheosis effects all your holy words so it is very versatile and divine word is such a good engaging decision tool because of the way it effects your holy words. At all times I feel like I can heal any situation just by swapping around the holy words I'm empowering and when there is nothing to heal I can offensively use apotheosis and divine chastise to be competitive in damage with tanks and some less skilled DPS in some cases and it just feels so damn good. It's also stuff like this that makes me miss boon of the ascended from SL cause it could feed more into that damage complexity (while still providing healing) and help that feeling of being able to properly contribute to the damage portion of what is needed while still providing that moment to moment decision making that just feels so engaging with holy priest. And I wish other healers were like this cause honestly it's hard to want to learn other healers because they don't really provide that kind of feeling from my experience. (And ya that ff14 stuff was spot on I do wish they would put in a bit more damage rotation complexity)

I mean you must balance the stupidity of the people, it's impossible to balance this. :D

Been playing FF14 for years and healers only felt in a decent spot when they had alot of utilities that had extensive systems behind them (HW-SB AST) but outside of that the only time healing really hits well is when people are completely new only because you have a reason to use your skills, if you aren't in the highest level of content you can easily get through so much content only using like 2 oGCDs to heal anything. DT is still very early and of course its new so there is that "you heal more" attitude because of how new it is to most people but generally I do feel like their is way more unavoidable room/raid wide damage and hoping in the future they maybe consider adding a few more interesting damage buttons back to healers, even the extra dots that SCH and WHM used to have before SHB had something even with their different durations and the mp cost to upkeep made healing abit more spicy.

I have played since Vanilla. I was a DPS at the time and, frankly, terrible at it. I didn't understand the game or how to do my job, for that matter. My brother's brought me along simply because I was their brother and it was a way for us to hang out. When Lich King came along, I was playing with some new friends instead and decided to give healing a shot. My eldest brother healed but he wasn't a part of our group so I figured why not try it out. Healing was the most rewarding thing I'd ever done and I haven't gone back since. It gave me an identity and I loved it. I know the game has changed but I still long for those days where I had my role and did what I did. I've been a more frequent commenter on your channel as of late and, while I like your content (you are 3/4 of the reason I have any idea what I'm doing on my evoker, so thank you for that!!!) but I just don't think we're ever going to see eye-to-eye on this topic. Maybe there's just too much focus on healers and we're being pushed in this direction, or maybe it's what the vast majority of healers want. I won't really know whether it's possible to separate the two enough to find out which is which and whether a new style of play for healers would be accepted, but I would love to see them try. Healing should be about healing and shouldn't have damage built into them. Holy charges come from damage on my paladin, healing is generated by throwing beautiful graffiti on the ground and then hitting people in the face on my monk, and atonement being put on people on my discipline priest just forces me to do something I don't want to do if I want to be successful. The fact that DPS and and tanks have healing built into them so that they can survive when healers aren't healing them but healers are forced to DPS in order to heal just seems circuitous. If the DPS didn't have healing and the healers weren't forced to heal, doesn't that kind of solve the problem? I hope you keep doing content because you have offered me different perspectives, sometimes on classes I've played a long time, but every time you mention healer damage or say "and this gives you time to do damage!!" I'm going to end up thinking this exact same thing as nobody (including you) have yet come up with an argument that satisfies my concerns or helps me to understand why it is that I'm wrong and somehow so far behind the times. DPS should do damage, tanks should tank, and healers should heal. Even if we all have little things that we have to take care of or we all have our own responsibilities in dungeons to keep things new and exciting, to me it all comes back to we should all have our role and stick to it or take on the other role once in a while if you want something different.

So as a tank I only get annoyed by healers doing damage on pulls where people die. We are punished for deaths (which I will admit I think is just silly below a certain key level but c'est la vie). In those cases I am not saying they are a bad healer 9/10 DPS are tunnel visioned on watching that DPS meter and less focused on not standing in stuff. Thats why I love addons (and I use one when I heal) that announce what killed people. If someone died because they were just standing in something thats not a bad healer ... thats a DPS with a PEBKAC error. Im a fairly laid back tank, I don't tank very high keys I think season 1 I did a 13? But I have fun. I am too old to care about being "the best" anymore and I probably have more hours in the tank or healer role than whoever else is doing the job just somewhere along the line I stopped getting upset when things go awry. Id like to see healers in a place where if they focus solely on healing people live. If a skilled healer can keep everyone alive and weave in some dps here and there cool. If an elite healer can compete with DPS on the meters and still keep the party alive even better. When I heal I don't really care about putting out massive damage, I will dot when I can, I will attack when I can. I am not a Fistweaver or a Disc Priest so doing damage just isn't what Im in the run for. I heal because I like to help friends. I tank because if I am not with friends I just want to get the key done without the ego of "The largest pulls known in Azeroth" so I opt to tank because I can somewhat set the pace.

Blizzard should not change or alter healing because healing is only hard to balance in high level M+ keys (and only in those keys). That's because, with the scaling, certain packs hit so hard players become unhealable It's a losing game trying to keep everyone up (you will always be playing catch up). It makes more sense to use another DPS and try to burn them before they burn you. The real fix is for Blizz to not just blanket scale up all the damage in the dungeon. They need to stop being lazy, actually go in and tune the dungeon for those keys. Not just rely on an alogorithm to scale it up. Players don't want that AI dev, especially in a sub game with frequent ex pacs. We pay for live service.

First of all, wow community is cruel and not kind. I will share my feedback anyway. I started playing resto druid in 2005. Completed all hardcore content until Shadowlands with good parses and rio ratings. After shadowlands, i stopped playing healer. The reasons is, its more stresful than fun. All the mechanica are on healers' shoulders and when you make a mistake, omg.. im mostly pugging so there is always someone who ruins your run. I played healer because it was fun. Now i have to manage everything. Heal, interrupt, affixes, etc.. and people now trying to say that its healers responsibility to do all these things. Not sayin, healers should also help with these mechs. balance is gone. I wrote a comment in a high sub page that good luck finding healers in the future and people literally emotional damaged me. Now here we are. Im dps now. Not planning to go back to healing. No responsibilities at all. Life is good as dps.

This was a great video, +1 subscriber 😊

Can you please talk more about the "barrier to entry". WoW currently has 4 difficulty of raid and 3 difficulty of dungeon with an infinite scaling system. Normal dungeon and LFR are so easy I'm not sure how much lower the barrier could be. I know having played this game for 15 years it is hard to think like a new player and I genuinely want to know how much of the barrier is actual difficulty and complexity and how much is new players afraid of being told they are noobs in text chat.

Really dont think increasing healer dmg will have much, if any positive effect on healer balance. All it does is going to make lower bracket healers flamed for not doing more dmg, while the dps are standing in shit. Nobody will listen when they say they "cant cause they have to heal". The fact that people do 4dps in keys is not because healers do to little dmg, its because healing is not needed much with perfect play- that can easily be fixed with balance. I think healers should primarily heal, and if people are turned off from healing because they do- maybe the roll isnt for them.

I like being able to dps as a healer (makes solo content less of a slog too). I’d much prefer to be a dps that has other duties like dealing with certain mechanics, dispells and healing than just slowly trickle healing the party 100% of the time. They tried forcing us to heal only for DF and then we start seeing other classes who can actually top someone from almost dead to full better than healers can (prot pally). This felt pretty bad imo.

Personally this is why i love the "Support " role. As a healer I would MUCH rather use a non healing spell to buff or debuff- not damage... Instead WoW went the other direction where a healer's downtime is spent doing NON healing things. I would argue casting a heal, and then spending a few moments buffing a group member or 2 is more In line with the "spirit" of people who play healers for the "joy of healing" vs someone just playing a healer for a competitive sense.

I love it when healers are OP, thats when I have the most fun.

when u have free time as heal u have to make some dmg u r afk otherwise when blizz that just we have to perma heal okay but that not what we have learn in the last 4 years so what should a healer to be today? big q in a a mmorpg that lost the holy trinity idea

Healing is very weird, and theres lots of things that can influence it, like you said. Like you may spend a dungeon being a pseudo dps since people arent making mistakes and stunning/interupting properly, and you're also good so you're being very efficient with your spells and CDs. Or you may spend the dungeon absolutely just spamming cuz of things going wrong. Raids can always drop a healer once they get better at the fight or have more gear, but m+ doesnt offer that, and each healer needs to be balanced to be able to hold their own but not too high to the point where they can solo heal raids too. Personally I like dpsing during a dungeon but sometimes it's nice having to healbot an entire dungeon due to affix's or difficulty etc

Honestly, make all healer damage similar to fire breath on preservation.

As someone with thousands of hours in most MMO's and currently plays FFXIV, you hit the nail on the head with the description of healers in FF. It's the only MMO I don't mainly choose healer. It just doesn't offer what most MMO's offers to healers. I kinda feels like a role made for people who are new to healing so the ones who love healing and wants to main it, really doesn't have a role to choose. Luckily I prefer dps and raid fights in FFXIV so I have fun with that. But Mistweaver and M+ makes me miss WoW a lot sometimes.

Thanks Bowser! The balance of healing and damage in wow is a lot of fun, one reason I love evoker. Just wish it was a bit slower. Thanks for bringing this up!

Have you tried Mini Healer on steam?

I suppose doing damage as a healer was always a thing especially in pvp. my bitterness towards healers having to dps is probably rooted in them taking away disc priest bubble/absorption mastery & replacing it with doing damage to heal :,(

I'm a simple man: I see a Bowser video, I press like!

grats on the nominations my friend, you know I voted for you in both! and loved the video, one of the things I've found as someone who healed on Holy Paladin raiding during WoTLK (never again, you can't make me go back) was that not having things to do outside of spamming a few heal buttons stinks. Monk and Druid are the two healers I've enjoyed the most in DF because they both have interesting buttons and things to do outside of just pressing their healing cooldowns. being able to fistweave to heal while focusing on doing some damage is a fun way to get a bit of both worlds, and a balance I really enjoy. Cat weaving or Boom weaving while throwing out DoTs and heals as a Druid feels dynamic and fun once you get the hang of when to press what buttons. I feel like finding that balance is incredibly important to making healing feel fun and rewarding, which is really what the goal should be. if I run a key and don't have a "lot" to heal because my team is handling mechanics well or geared strongly and things are just dying fast, I'm not bothered that I don't have to press healing CDs, I just try to enjoy whatever damage I'm pulling off. and if your group is bad and you have this big moments where you are saving everyone in a perfect spot, or preventing a death, or using CC at just the right moment to down a boss or tough mob, those moments are super rewarding as well. finding a balance between those two types of moments is super important, and I think DF has mainly done a good job of it, so I'm hopeful that by the time TWW launches they don't revert back to patterns that are less rewarding and less dynamic. I do think the overall nerfs to self healing for DPS and nerfs to things like Leech will give healers more to do in the actual healing department, which might take away some of those fun damage moments, but as long as it's keeping you engaged in what you're doing I think that's still fine as well. can't wait for TWW!

Congrats on nomination! Voted! :)

Hey Bowser, thanks for the vid (luv these discussion vids) and grats on your nomination. Great points about balancing, especially when it comes to pro grps vs entry lvl grps. A few things that still bother me. 1) Balance-Season 1 of DF, holy priest was so bad that I was often outhealed by our tanks. When another role performs your role better than you do, that just feels bad. 2) Mana, either mana is a thing or it isn't. It feels really bad to get to the last 20% of a fight with 5% mana struggling to make it work, meanwhile healer X is at 60% and is casting their spells almost indiscrimmintantly. Again, balance. 3) Correct me if I'm wrong- but... it seems like Tanks and DPS are given greater freedom to be uber- Tanks can be powerful (randomTankXsolosRaidbossYfor30%) and DPS are allowed to be powerful(mob X dies before I finish my cast), but when healers are powerful the content becomes trivial. While I'm not saying that it's not true, it just seems like it's ok for Tanks/DPS to be OP but if healers are it's an issue. I started in classic, so my thinking could just be nostalgia. However, I really enjoyed being special in that, for the most part, I was the only one that could heal during combat. So even though I'm squishy and I can't kill things, I felt needed/wanted (I daresay appreciated) in group content, essential. I feel much superfluous now. Hoping there is a way to make healers more relevant without relying on a strong damage profile. thanks for letting me be a keyboard warrior :P

Hey Bowser, I really like your Vids and your attitude how you bring you messages! Really really good work all of your vids! Keep it up! :) Greetings from GER. :) About the topic. I came back to S4 from a 3 Years WoW break as a Healer (Shaman and Evoker). I really enjoying to be challenge to keep my group alive and to do dmg. So first time I played a hard dungeon and I did over 100k dps overall I was really hyped. :) So im with you. You dont have to do dmg, but this is the space where you can grow as a healer. When you realize, you can keep the group alive and have time, you use it do to dmg.

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I don’t think it’s skill but rather experience gap. The spec itself is not overly complicated unless you make it, but you do need to be on the mechanics and timing down 100% because the healing is over time.

Take Viagra for mythic plus got it. def helps with performance anxiety i hear

I'm trying to learn mistweaver so I was wondering if this video is still good for S4

just leave bad groups

Great video, thanks! Although I don't use Divine Word, you didn't convince me it's better than other builds 🙂

Sadly I cannot get your OmniCD pastebin import to work. It says "Not an OmniCD profile!". Can u check it and maybe update it if theres something wrong?

Not only is it one of the best healers it actually does more dmg than most ranged dps. Which is funny and underrated...

I just joined a Mythic + guild and they want a Priest. Thank you for this!

Hey! First of all, good video! I really appreciate watching it and as a fellow holy priest main, I have a few questions and comments for you (and I would be really happy to discuss it.) : (a bit of context) I have the same stats for the raid and m+ (40% Crit, 20ish% haste, 40 mastery and 18~%versatility), I know that's not common as in m+, you tend to prioritize haste over the rest; and here I am. I'd appreciate if you could share yours. 1) As you said, renew cost a lot mana and should never ever be used in combat; only when transitioning from pack to pack. Great emphasize on that part. (though you still casted it on the first pull of the RLP, which I think is a mistake tbh) 1.5) Same comment as above, but for Power Word: Shield. Holy isn't disc; it's a waste of GcD and mana. 2) I belive there was a time when the tier set bonuses made us use Heal more often than flash heal (Shadowland maybe?). Outside of that, with the how bursty the keys have become over this expansion, using heal is a big no. It is true however that it's move mana efficient than Flash Heal, and you pointed it you in the video. But you do not have the luxury, even in a 5-men group environment (let alone pug), to take you time and cast a Heal on someone. If you have this kind of window, just DoT or dps (I'll follow on that in point 3.). 3) Regarding mana problem, outside of the third boss of HoI, I rarely ever need to drink. Efficient usage of mana potion and Symbol of Hope should cover most of the encounters.Thus the mana management that come from the usage of Heal does not feel as much of an obligation. 4) Cooldowns are meant to be used, and sometimes when people don't use them, death is on them. THANK YOU! Finally, someone is saying it .. And most importantly, don't forget to heal yourself and use your own cd 5) Regarding the usage of Divine Word: DPS -> Chastise. Heal -> Serenity. With the output of Sanctify, do not ever use it. Finally, for anyone who took the time to read this message: I'm sorry I am not a native english speaker, I tried to correct some mistakes along the way. I try everyday to improve my gameplay, and I'll appreciate any discussion regarding the things I pointed out. Again, great video for people who started healing with HP to learn from. Keep up the good content :)

Hello! I love your UI. Do you have a guide to that somewhere. Specifically your party frames (I think they are called).

The most fun I had healing was in BFA on a resto druid, running Sunfire Azerite power with a mix of swipe/trash, cast sunfire puts hots on tank, efflorescence on ground, go kitty and spam trash/swipe. Sometimes I was beating dps player outside of their cd, so that was fun to contribute to dmg a lot more then in retail atm.

Damn man, I love your UI set up!

Just discovered you here on YT. I love that there are new, very high quality content creators coming to wow in recent times. I’ve been playing wow for a very long time, and it’s felt like it’s all the same content creators for the most part. I appreciate you bowser o7

Too much burst dmg atm and I’m glass. I got be disc and put the bubble on my self to not be glass. It was the same for pally. Had to beacon myself to not be glass at low m+.

Healers should stay healers and not be prioritising damage in my opinion. I love how healers feel in dragonflight. Healers damage included... Having said that, I think certain healer builds should be able to perform more damage if they choose to spec into it. But it comes at a cost of less healing output.

I’ve been watching your content a lot lately as I’ve been getting back into WoW and healing (it’s been since WotLK. 2009 prob.). Finding out that you’re also autistic is really cool. Keep up the great content.