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Paul's total certainty that other Christians twist Scripture, but his version of Christianity never ever could, is so nauseating
They will always make any faults in Christanity as a personal flaw of whoever gets caught doing something wrong, but never criticize the religious systems these abusive people use and create in order to enable the abuse they wanted to do.
The thought of Paul and Morgan homeschooling their kids scares the heck out of me😔
Paul acting like a martyr for being a RUclipsr, a career he chose, is hilarious to me
“You shouldn’t be threatened by people looking for the truth…” that’s so profound! Got my wheels turning with that one!
I appreciate your channel so much. You always remind me that most Christians are not like Paul and Morgan, and that gives me hope.
My win is that I finally paid off my student loans! My husband and I saved up during the payment/interest pause for the past 3 years and we paid everything off this week. It definitely feels good!
I hope you’re doing okay B! It’s hard to see someone that you love go through a tough time and not be able to do anything to solve the problem.
Congrats!
Congrats on that! One less thing for y'all to deal with!
I was raised in a cult, Jehovah's Witnesses, I was stuck in along with my husband and 2 children until I was 46. I'm about to turn 51. My children, honestly my daughter coming out to us, is a large part of us all waking up. Weve been happily married for over 30 years! And i try and remember if i wasn't a JW, i never would have met my wonderful husband... so i try and find something good even though other than my parents, after 46years... no One, i mean no ONE, including the over 300 ppl at my wedding will speak to us anymore... I am so happy I found your channel! My win for the week was that when I spoke to my very indoctrinated father yesterday, about my car, he's a retired mechanic, I kept my cool...❤🎉
That’s gotta be rough. Wow I’m sorry you lost so many people in this process. I’m just a stranger to you on the internet but I’m also 46 and my oldest came out when she was 12. And aside from a few snide comments from my mother (former Catholic) my family has largely accepted this part of her without any doubt or criticism. It sounds like you have a very supportive husband too and I’m glad for that. Nobody has the right to tell you how to live and I admire your courage to live that.
@@ultimately-sabrina thank you and I'm glad your family is supportive and full of love, that's wonderful to see!
I'm a transgender Christian lady and I just found your channel and wanted to say I like it. I find Paul and Morgan oddly fascinating and you come from a different perspective than most people who cover them.
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aaahh that's why u love this Channel. How can you be transgender and be a Christian? It's perverted from the truth?!
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Hang in there , y'all - it does get better, it just sometimes takes time.
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cmgaustin - Austin, Tejas
@@remykisjes821you got some scripture for that? Quit spreading hate because people don’t fit YOUR standards.
Jen from Fundie Fridays is not anti Christian, she has done collaberations with Mary Clare from Faith Evolving and Brenda Davies from God is Grey, and has interviewed Christian musician Semmler (Grace Baldridge). Jen is just highly critical of people that do harmful and shitty things in the name of religion.
As a pastor, I always get concerned whenever I go to worship, and the pastor gets up to preach and doesn’t have any notes. Because it’s been my experience, there’s always a winding not well thought out sermon to follow.
Paul and Morgan always miss the point. Same with the Barbie movie. Always playing a victim like people are attacking Christian’s. Very us vs them mentality
I saw a commentary on this before and I’m still struck by that they didn’t know what IBLP was but felt qualified to be in a docuseries about it anyway and then didn’t like how they were portrayed. If that doesn’t completely encapsulate how they move about in the world I don’t know what does. Also, I’m still slimed by them saying Jinger is good and Jill is bad when it comes to their speaking about their experiences. They don’t get to decide for victims how to process.
I agree completely!
Isn't that still victim blaming (even if the victim are assholes)? Unless they are specifically looking for an expert, most documentary interviews don't require someone to be "qualified" beyond being part of a demographic and giving their thoughts.
I can see how you would get that, I'm not sure I'd agree that they're victims of the filmmakers. But, to your point, they clearly do see themselves as victims so who am I to criticize how they handle that?@@hanatemonstas4485
I hve seen more things morgan has when she mocks someone who is a victim. In those moments she is so vile.
It seems P n M expected to have a half hour devoted to them and their beliefs.
They can’t comprehend that their views align with the harm outlined in the docuseries- so you spoke and it fit into what they were looking for. Because they have harmful beliefs
I sense some cognitive dissonance maybe happening. It would explain why they’re so defensive
Great video. Love your nuanced take on it. I can understand Paul's disappointment with how they were portrayed and the documentary could maybe have been a little bit more clear about the Joshua generation and why they were including those examples, but... When all is said and done... Paul and Morgan's influence is a harmful one, and they need to take a step back and realize that. For example... Later on in the video, they talk about the positive experiences in homeschooling and submission by the wives and how those positive experiences being ignored is gaslighting... What they don't realize is that their insistence that all women should submit to their husband is gaslighting the billions of women who would not enjoy such a life.
A comment directed more at B Haney herself, regarding 'victims turning away from god'. The narrative that 'the damage' is what turns people away from god is a dangerous one and often untrue. It adds to the bucket, sure, but severe victimhood often forces people to take a good look at the world and leave their bubble behind them. It isn't "the damage" which does it. It is "reality".
My win for the week is that i finally landed a new job!!! after 8 months of looking and 1 job offer that was rescinded due to a hiring freeze. Its been exhausting but im so hopeful for a new chapter.
My win is that I cleaned up my very messy house and it’s now a comfortable, relaxing space to come back to after work. I’m still working on systems to avoid overwhelming messes. One week at a time :)
I was homeschooled k-12 across 5 different states, and in IBLP-adjacent circles for some of those states. Every homeschooler in knew has severe trauma from it, some of them ended up taking their own lives in young adulthood because they couldn't cope and were completely robbed of the necessary skills or knowledge to even know that there might be help out there in the normal world. Anyone who would fight for unregulated religious homeschooling unfortunately has blood on their hands, and I seriously wonder if the homeschoolers Paul and Morgan are referencing are actually okay.
I was homeschooled in a Christian home although not using anything even close to IBLP material. My mom grew up going to public school and wanted to homeschool her kids. She formed a non religious homeschooling group because she wanted anyone from any walk of life to have support with homeschooling and all the other options were faith based ones. Even though most of the members in our group were Christian, it was open to everyone. I don’t feel like I had any trauma from homeschooling. Because of my personality, public school would have been extremely stressful for me.
@@OliviaRValle that's really good for you, but when it comes down to it what @chocolatecoveredspam posted is right. Fighting for unregulated homeschooling does result in having blood on your hands. There are so many reasons to homeschool a child, but you can't deny that folks with terrible souls will use and abuse an unregulated system to hurt children. Not every type of school/education system will fit every child, and keeping in mind what is best for children and getting them to an independent adulthood is the goal.
Not to mention that unregulated schooling allows parents to keep their kids incredibly ignorant. For example, many extremists use it to ensure their daughters are so poorly educated they cannot function on their own and being a housewife is their only skillset. Using unregulated schooling to control the entire lives of your kids through lack of options is just abusive.
You have no idea how validated I feel by your comments at the end about parables and not everything in the Bible being literal historical fact. I’m not religious any longer, but I was raised evangelical and had that thought myself as a kid/young teen and when I voiced it everyone in my life acted like I had lost it (probably contributed to the deconstruction tbh). Which confused me because there are a ton of parables in the Bible and it’s old and if God could make Adam from a pile of dirt, why couldn’t he have orchestrated or started the process of evolution? 15 years later, it’s good to know someone else has thought something similar. 😂 I’m sure other people think this, I’ve just never heard someone voice it the same way I have.
I grew up Catholic, and was taught that a lot of the OT is parables and not historical fact. While not Catholic anymore, I do appreciate that (at least at my school) religion was not taught in a way that outright rejected science.
My win is that after feeling constantly behind at work for the past 3 months despite working at a frantic pace, I'm finally mostly caught up AND entering a calmer season that will allow me to finish catching up while working at a normal pace!
Feeling behind at work can be SO stressful, but I’m glad you’re getting caught up! Enjoy the calmer season, you deserve it!
My win for the week is that I stayed on my grocery budget. Now to Morgan and Paul: Their empty way of thinking is the funnel to the very form of " culty Christian extremist" that they think they are not. I believe that if given the platform or position they would be extreme and are only not because it's not cool. They were asked to be in the doc because they and Girl Define have similar views and practices to the IBLP church. Also they say their not discounting the victims accounts yet they act as though nothing the victims suffered from was bad enough to turn from the religion as a whole.
Also I'm a Christian and I love Fundie Fridays.
I'm not a Christian, but Jen has always come across as very accepting and supportive of Christians that don't hide behind religion to do hateful or harmful things. She wouldn't collaberate with Christians like Mary Claire or Brenda Davies if she was anti Christian, and she wouldn't be doing interviews with Christian musicians while promoting their music.
“Where? Where? Show me in Greek. Show me in the original Hebrew. Show me, where?” BOOM! B HANEY mic drop, baby! You’re badass!
OMG, yes, they have to go deeper with the Joshua Generation in the next season. I'd never heard of that and it really blew me away with how far this conspiracy has reached and succeeded. More political stuff please!
Iv wondered that to both them and girl defined said they don’t know why they are being grouped with whatever that and a fundie is
I find it so disheartening to hear Morgan say “nobody is raising my kid but me” because that’s a genuine fear and feeling i and many mothers I know have. I cannot afford to stay home with my child and so many people are not privileged enough to have homeschool as an option and that’s just so hurtful to so many parents.
It’s wrong to think that a kid who goes to school is being “raised” by their teachers. Nobody who went to school feels that way.
Our daughters attended private Christian schools, public schools, and we homeschooled, each at various times during their years growing up. Regardless of the setting or the individual school, their success was largely dependent upon our involvement at home with homework and keeping tabs on what was happening in the classroom. Re. curricula -- each school offered the expected subjects: math, science, social studies, English, foreign language, one or more creative arts or elective offerings, PE, and history. Public schools espoused a propaganda-like view of US history, portraying this country as an almost all-benevolent world power.
The larger Christian school had a more preparatory focused curriculum from a Protestant world view, but the US propaganda was much the same as in the public schools. The small, AofG school's curriculum was full-on Sunday School with every single subject defined and directed by the Bible, as the curriculum authors and editors saw it, of course. This included the most propagandistic presentation of US and world history of the three, often espousing and promoting outright perversions of historical facts. I did regard Christian school attendance as a sort of protection for our eldest. That is a fallacy, of course. Our motivations in homeschooling had to do with advanced learning needs that could not be accommodated with a 1/25+ teacher/student ratio. I truly believe that if our motivation for homeschooling is to protect our children, we limit, if not cripple, their ability to embrace the fullness of God and His creation; including their ability to love unconditionally - especially anyone unlike themselves. Isolation breeds fear and apprehension toward everything, every idea, and everyone outside the imagined safety of that isolation. We simply cannot sidestep our existence within the structure and confines of our physical world. And if we truly believe God is the Creator, why would we want to?
@@pantaleimona What type of propaganda and perversion of history if I may ask? Also, are your sons raised differently?
@@hanatemonstas4485 The propagandizing of US history, which I consider a perversion - not merely a mistaken, but rather an intentional misrepresentation of the truth, can be found in curricula from pre-K through HS. Without instruction in and emphasis on critical thinking skills during those school years, this version of US and even world history remains unchallenged. Here are three obvious examples: 1) The pilgrims came to the new world to escape religious persecution in England. 2) The US entered WW2 making both V-E Day and V-J Day possible ... and the allies helped. 3) The US only assists other governments at the behest of those governments' leaders in order to establish or re-establish peace. Such efforts are always benevolent. 4) The founding fathers, all Christians, envisioned and intended a country run on Biblical principles. Number 4 was taught in the private Christian schools' curricula. Re. your second question, yours is an inference I hadn't imagined! Mentioning their gender wasn't intended to imply the existence of other-gendered offspring. :) The educational choices for the children we had were first determined by us as parents and later by us along with input from each individual student. If all circumstances were similar, I imagine we'd have employed similar methodologies no matter each child's gender.
I have been a subscriber for quite a long time (for me).
My win for the week is a successful ankle bone fusion after nearly a decade of chronic pain after a traumatic cycling injury when I was tee-boned by a 4-Runner by no fault of my own. I have a 2-3 month recovery, including immobilization for three weeks. I am grateful for this slow down time. I have been able to re-connect in a positive light to my husband and mother - my Night and Day nurses, as well as paying more attion to schedules including meditation, focus, health, financial budgeting, launching a new LLC business while I am surrounded by support and care and love from so many people I cannot possible count.
Thanks for your video and content this afternoon - it always gives me perspective and a good belly laugh or seven...;)
Please keep up your amazing work and service to all of your fans. Big hearts and high fives!!!
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cmgaustin - Austin, Tejas
I love your win for the week because it forces me, a pessimist at best, to search my life for some joy. What it was, was laughing so hard at Family Dinner on Tuesday with my adult daughters over I don't even remember! Just the laughing until we were choking!
That is the best kind of laugh 💛
These kind of memories are honestly my favorite by far :)
My thoughts and prayers go out to Paul and Morgan for this truly heartbreaking tragedy they are experiencing due to this documentary.
Is that sarcastic? If so I agree.
Its so interesting realizing so many american christians have never heard of the joshua generation. I'm kenyan and grew up baptist christian(very fundie, to train up a child was a part of multiple family sermons) and we were actively taught about the joshua generation. Granted though, our church was set up by american missionaries. But its still interesting to see these 2 worlds collide
Also the message in the documentary was SO not saying that you should hate people who believe in order, homeschooling, Christian, etc. They said multiple times that the doc was saying those people are horrible and to be hated.... just not true
I can't help but feel like P and M were telling on themselves a bit. They saw their beliefs reflected through the lense of the IBLP and to some extent realized that made their beliefs look really harmful, because many of them are. It's telling how later they pulled a 180 and started arguing that they can and should be 'extreme' because that's what 'the left' are doing so it's justified. Make up your minds.
So the film markers described a show they were no way the center or focus of the show, so yes you almost got cut out.
I’m going through a break up and having you ask me to find some wins really helped me have a better perspective on what’s going on in my life currently, so thank you ❤ I have a double win: Graduated with a 100% on my bachelors thesis AND got a promotion at work!
Congrats! And there will be someone else even better for you in the future. ❤
Oh breakups are so tough, I hope you’re doing ok working through it. At the same time it it’s incredible to hear that you got 100% on your thesis and a promotion, I hope you are taking the time to truly celebrate yourself! 🎉
@@BHaney thanks B! I am healing by surrounding myself with the wonderful friends & family that I’m blessed with, and celebrating with them 😊
@@JulieAVL thank you 💖
Oof, I'm so glad that they didn't get lost in your sadness. Congratulations! I hope that they are great comforts through the change.
Great video! I get so frustrated listening to Paul and Morgan and the only way I can stand them is with a commentary as great as yours, B!
I started college this week and am not hating it so far :)
I have to admit that when i watched S.H.P. and Paul a d Morgan were shown during the Joshua Generation part, i was like "whoa! I didnt realize they were IBLP!" so i agree with them on that that's how they were portrayed....but then my next thought was "that makes sense that they are" so I guess that's probably not what P and M would want me to think 😂
I think the point of this was to show how many Christians circles have been influenced by IBLP without them knowing. They may not be IBLP, but their ideology certainly is.
I think it’s important to note that they actually have NO IDEA what the religion is followed by any of the victims of the IBLP in SHP, and that SHP wasn’t so much about IBLP as it was about the trauma it caused. Another commentary on P&M’s response I watched mentioned that most of their arguments can be boiled down to “why wasn’t this more about *us*?!” And I can’t unsee that now. And finally, they ARE a part of the concept the Joshua generation because they do in fact push many of the same harmful ideas that the IBLP espoused - and Paul even says in the beginning that his family was at least brushing the edges of it! Even if they did find it ultimately too far out there, I think that still says a lot.
Ugh. I just can’t ever decide if they are being willfully ignorant or they really are that incapable of following someone else’s train of thought. Like…their arguments are always against just a total miscomprehension of an opposing idea. It drives me bananas.
I find it interesting how they talk about untangling faith is good, but deconstructing faith is bad. I know it has to do with their indoctrination, and how words are weaponized. Personally, I prefer the word untangle when it comes to my journey of faith and looking at my indoctrination, because it feels more truthful in describing the pain. For me to say deconstruction feels more cut and dry as in you tear it to the foundation, and then rebuild. For me, the truth of what historical Christianity is versus what I was taught in fundamentalist settings is so intertwined. On the other side of them, it feels like semantics, but I know in their culture labels are so important and from experience seeing the world through black-and-white lenses and taking away nuance is key. I’m just sad for them that they are exposed to opportunities to see the lies of what they are preaching and believe yet double down. And it’s super sad that they have so many followers
I started grad school last week and am really getting into the hang of it. So far, I am balancing school and life well and am still making time for my hobby (running). Though I know I'm only a little bit in and it'll get harder, I'm proud of myself for taking this new season so well. 😊 Thanks for reading my win for the week, I hope your week gets better!!
This is amazing!! I’m cheering for you right now and as you get further into your program, you’ve got this 🎉
I will share my win- I’m visiting my parents in their pretty mountain home! I hope the best for your friend 💕
What I don't understand is how they heard that it was about the IBLP and thought "Hmm you know what? We're not like them. We're definitely going to get good coverage from this." when they're constantly being labeled as fundies online. And, I don't understand how knowing it was about the IBLP they thought they were going to get more time to talk about their beliefs. They have a whole ass youtube channel where they get to do that. They have no self awareness at all.
Probably P&M genuinely believe they are not fundies because other extreme sects exist. Or that those labeling them are over-exaggerating .
Win for the week: I had lunch with my bestie yesterday and we went grocery shopping together ❤ we've been close for 10 years now and so much has changed and evolved. I'm glad we are supportive of each other and always gently pushing each other in encouragement to be our best selves. ❤
That is so awesome! Friendships that last that long are really something special and I’m glad you two got to spend that time together 💛🎉
I think Morgan definitely purposely mocked and tried discounting the stories of the survivors of the IBLP at 1:18:06. In my opinion saying and doing something like that isn’t an accident. Plus they could’ve edited that part out but they didn’t. They left it in even after rewatching it while editing. It’s disgusting for anyone to sit there and mock someone’s trauma like that.
They equate deconstruction to unbelieving, and while I know that is the case for many ex-Christians (and like you say I can TOTALLY understand why someone would walk away from religion), it's not what happens to everyone. I grew up in a fairly standard Christian church and still needed to deconstruct, to pull apart what do I believe against what my parents believe and what do you know I'm still a Christian. I really appreciate you and your channel, as while I was deconstructing it was SO refreshing to hear your perspective and helped me not be scared to ask questions or to be confident in my own conclusions on faith.
1:01:49 eyeroll is chef's kiss! Really enjoy your videos
Thank you, I’m so glad you enjoy my videos! 💛😊
My win for the week is surviving being a substitute in an early childhood classroom all last week :) But, the teacher and other parapros gave excellent support and are excellent people. Ya just can't beat that!
Kudos to you for making it through! I’m glad you had great support as well 💛
Win for the week: I got some drawing done and took some steps to take care of my mental health.
Also I enjoyed your commentary. I think you do a good job at calling out what really matters, while also not being nitpicky. These two and their beliefs speak for themselves so there's no need to be petty about things like her reading from a notebook. I do find it interesting that they seem to believe people on the left want them to apologize for existing, when in reality (at least speaking for myself) it'd just be nice if they weren't spreading bigoted hate. If you don't want to believe in evolution that's your prerogative, but they seem like the ones that want everyone to believe what they do not really the other way around.
My win for the week is that most of the RSVPs came in for my wedding! Still a few people to confirm, but it’s so great to finally be able to start working on a seating chart.
Just love your energy ! It's a nice break and your energy so kind
Thank you so much 💛
My win for the week is weather also. I’m in Ga so it’s now in the mid to high 80’s with a lovely breeze. So I can still get vitamin D and read outside a bit in the afternoon but also there’s a chill in the morning and I broke out some boots. The fashion change is always fun and inspires me to get creative with my wardrobe
That sounds wonderful🥰 🍂 being able to read outside and enjoy the weather is so peaceful!
Wow, B, you are so full of grace and understanding. And very articulate, too. At around the 45 minute mark when you empathize with P&M's defensiveness but also explain where they fall short (leaving the charismatic church but still very much of the same belief system as iblp) in a way that is so clear and also so kind.
My win for the week: I assembled 2 racks ( just cheap ones) all by myself! Lol
My win for the week is that I got extra shifts at work! Hoping this will continue so I can save up for things faster 🤗
I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you to keep getting extra shifts! Being able to save up for things is so rewarding!
@@BHaney awe, thank you so much!! 🥰
Did they watch the same documentary?
I feel like Morgan was using downfall correctly
I think so too. Paul just always has to have something to say 😬
I love how Morgan has to literally YELL at her husband to tell him @ no THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING!” And he STILL BLOWS HER OFF AND DOESN’T LISTEN!!
My win for the week is amazing. The guy I have been dating for 4 months said I Love You for the first time on Monday. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Win for the week (my first time sharing) .…I teach high school and I have an Honors Geometry class that I love! School just started (in California) and I think they love me and I love them; we had a really good first week. Big win!!!!
Oh yay!! I hope you continue to have an amazing school year 🎉 thank you so much for sharing your win for the week!
I think their mention of Luke Parker is very telling, as his appearance on the Bachelorette was a failure of his own making. To summarize for those who don't watch reality TV, he was a virgin and communicated the expectation that his future wife should do the same. When the woman he was dating on the show communicated she was not comfortable with this and wasn't on the same page with this expectation, he became pushy, unkind and even went as far as to publicly question her faith. I don't believe the pushback he got was unfair, his actions were very inappropriate.
my win is that i’m starting to feel better after getting some extensive dental work done on Monday. i had 4 wisdom teeth growing in but only 1 had made it past my gums, so my dentist decided to surgically remove the others. sooo yeah, it’s been rough but at least the worst is over. 😅
Wisdom tooth removal sucks so bad! I hope the rest of your recovery goes smoothly! In my experience, once you turn the corner and stop feeling like total crap, it gets better really fast. Fingers crossed tomorrow is even better!
I've had mine removed and I get the struggle!! Fingers crossed for you that from here on out is smooth sailing for you
yay new B content!!!! love to see your videos on my feed :,)
Also just wanted to say I came here as a fundie fridays fan who wanted a christian perspective and I am now such a fan of your content. you're doing the lords work (pun intended)
Win for the week.. todays my last day of work for 9 days 🙌🏻 in my area school starts after Labor Day and I always take the first week of school off for my kids and I pretend I’m a stay at home mom 😂 my babies (twin girls) are Seniors so it’s my last official one.
Paul sounded jealous and upset that Jill, Jinger and their husbands got “a lot a lot more air time” than them. Just the way he said it and his demeanor lol. Of course they had a lot more air time. It’s their story.
Its sad that Morgan even felt the need to let everyone know she had notes. People can be so unkind, and constantly scrutinize every move they make. I don't agree with most if their views, but I dont think its my place to try to judge their body language.
The reference to body language was aimed at someone named Sheila Wray Gregoire. She did a video reacting to their “What we wish we knew before getting married video” and pointed out that the way they were acting in that video was the way people in toxic purity culture act and that (while she made it very clear that nobody can truly know someone through a screen) she was afraid these two have dangerous views on marital roles and sex that she hopes they will correct. It was a very well done video, and they only watched a few clips of it (they said they have no plans of watching the whole thing) and have been mad ever since.
I’ve had a little bit of a rough week too, but a small win for me was getting a couple of books I’d been wanting for a long time. I really love reading, so something like that is really fun for me.
And I’m so sorry your loved one is going through a rough time. But I gotta say; you don’t look rough at all. As soon as I clicked on the video I was in awe at how especially beautiful you look today. I love your hair and your top. And I know that’s only a small reflection of the amazingly beautiful person you are on the inside. 😊
I’m sorry you’re having a rough week too 😕 books are exciting though! Which book did you get that you are most excited about?
And thank you, that is so incredibly kind 💛 I felt like I looked like a completely different person while filming but I guess it’s because emotionally I was off and so I just felt that all over!
My win for the week is that I am heavily pregnant and had hurt my back which meant my birth plan wasn't going to go ahead. Between the medication and the exercises it is now looking like we are back on track for the natural birth I wanted ❤
I’m so glad to hear you are back on track for the birth plan you want! Hopefully things keep progressing in a positive way for you and things go as smoothly as possible! 💛
That's epic! Congratulations!
My win for the week, quick background (last week i went back to school, 9 years after getting my associates) and I got on my first assignment a 100. The assignment was a 4 page memoir in ENC 1102. YAY!!! (I had to retake this class bc I am a transfer student and I got below a C) lol but yes off to a great start!!!
congrats!!
My win for the week is Rachel Oates giving my channel a shout out in one of her videos. 🎉🥹
As for Paul and Morgan... they are so smug and hateful. Not only did they manage to make an IBLP documentary about themselves, but their most recent video is just grotesque and I'm disgusted by these two.
That’s so exciting! Congrats 🎉 did you know she was going to mention you or was it a total surprise?
Seriously. The doc interviewed people who have been seriously harmed by the teachings of the IBLP but Paul and Morgan are mad they weren’t used as an example of being the “good guys” and only got a few minutes on screen.
@BHaney It was a total surprise! Though I did suspect something when my subscriber count started going up faster than usual. 😂
And yep! That's what drove me up a wall about their video - they took a documentary about religious abuse and trauma and made it about themselves and how they were hard done by.
That’s so exciting, especially since you’re seeing people subscribe from the shout out! I remember the first time I was mentioned by a big channel, my heart was racing so fast because I’d never had that many people hear about me before 😂
I know this is par for the course with the two of them but it was still super frustrating to see them blow everything else off and focus on how they were really the ones who were wronged 🙄
@BHaney My heart was racing too... because I caught a cold the same day. 😂
They have new merch that says something like "pray for haters". These two just... I don't get it. They aren't fostering a loving, welcoming community, that's for sure.
Also hypocritical of them to talk about how they felt bashed and like a hit piece, then they proceeded to bash the left
P&M lack context comprehension in every bit of their pop culture commentary.
I went to your page like an hour ago hoping to find a new video from you that I'd missed somehow, but alas there was none. But now, yay!😊
Videos have been on a bit of a delay lately 😭 but I’m hoping I’ll be able to get back to posting more frequently here soon! I hope you enjoy this video! 💛
Imagine Paul… being kind to someone in spite of their beliefs. What a thought process to comprehend!!!🤯
Good thing-planning for a safari in 2 years!
Win for the week: balancing grad school, a 3 month old, and the household is going okay actually. Also, you look gorgeous as always!
That is so much to take on and I am glad it’s coming along well!! I am rooting for you 🎉
And thank you 💛
I laughed out loud when Morgan said that they were worried about being involved in the documentary if there was a possibility they'd look like villains. Um... that really says A LOT to me. Why do they not have the capacity or willingness to take a hard look at why they feel it's so likely that they'd look like villains?!
My win of the week is this channel is finally monetized. Only took me 12 years on RUclips 😂
I always enjoy your commentary videos, B. Thank you for your content. I think that Paul and Morgan thought that their participation would boost their profile and it didn’t. They’re disgruntled and possibly a bit ignorant to think that they wouldn’t be portrayed in this way. I think they took the bait $$$ whereas others were probably asked (Girl Defined) and declined.
A lot of times the Paul and Morgan snark that I see just makes me angry, but for some reason this video made me feel a little more compassion for them. I didn't really put myself in their shoes before, and you pointed out when there were things that would be understandably frustrating from their perspective. They're still unnecessarily hateful to a lot of people which deserves to be called out. But it was nice to watch a video about them that didn't leave me absolutely seething lol
B. Haney-just found your show. I appreciate your thoughtful perspective. I wasn’t going to watch the docuseries but am curious now.
They really just don’t realize how close related that stuff they were taught is to the IBLP.
These two make my skin itch and my head hurt.
We’re P n M maybe thinking the documentary would zoom them fame n fortune? JMO
Ah, he just said they did read the contract. Well, the should have had an entertainment lawyer reading it if neither of them are attorneys. If one of them is an attorney, they don’t seem good.
I do just have trouble standing this guy. What a pill.
I am not a christian but grew up in a community with a very similar ideology to P and M. I just find your channel very comforting, I know that there are tons of kind and compassionate christians out there, but it's sadly become kinda rare to see them represented in these types of spaces. Although I'm not a christian anymore, I recognize that I got a lot of my core values from christianity, and all I really want is for christians and non religious people to be able to be kind and have community and reasonable discourse with each other. So many people strongly dislike christians because they are only hearing the very unkind and unreasonable ones, and so many christians paint all non religious people with a very ungenerous brush without really listening, so thanks for making this content. It brings me peace, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I love this entire video 👏👏👏👏👏💯
Win for the week is book club that i joined is getting bigger and it feels good to have it grow.
That’s awesome! It must be really exciting to see the club grow 😊 what book are y’all reading now?
@@BHaney The Housemaid by Freida McFadden. The book club has six books picked by members to read during the month. So it's not just a one a month thing. It is also up to the person how many they read or if the read them at all. It's very relaxed and refreshing to just chat with others who share their love of books.
Win for the week: Finally started a vegetable garden! Growing spinach, carrots, watermelons, onions and lettuce! Cant wait to see how it goes!
In regards to Paul and Morgan... When they were discussing the different documentaries, I feel like they miss the point that they were addressing. All of them were looking into some really monstrous actions done within the bubble of religion... Where does proselytising fit in or seem appropriate given yhe subject matter?
Also how did they get from 31:35, where they said that they didn't know about the IBLP and couldn't speak on that, to 37:10, where they felt confident enough to give their perspective on the IBLP? Like that's a wild shift ro have on something that will be aired. If I wasn't familiar with a topic I wouldn't accept an interview because I would be scared to misrepresent myself or the topic at hand...
Overall I think that they might have seen the docuseries as a way to spread the gospel that they completely overlooked what the actual subject matter of the interview was. So there's the disappointment that 4 hours of their views and beliefs weren't given airtime. And disappointment that a small segment of their interview(from their perspective) made it look like they were IBLP adjacent....
Good luck with your garden! I hope your veggies thrive 🙌🏻
Also you made so many good points, especially about them being so focused on what they wanted to talk about that they completely missed the goal of the doc. Their role in the project wasn’t to preach their views, but they weren’t looking at the big picture and are now shocked production didn’t use Paul and Morgan in the way THEY wanted them to.
I am only 22 minutes in, but it sounds like the couple didn’t read or negotiate their contract well to either mitigate or eliminate allowing them to be shown in a false light or take things out of context etc.
Also, the 1950’s wants their regressive thinking back. Women are super smart and would be dumb to submit! Case in point here! I hope the wife learns he doesn’t make good or smart decisions! Ugh.
P & M like to say they aren't fundies but if you believe that the bible is literal history then you are a fundamentalist.
I understand Paul and Morgan's disappointment but they were incredibly naive about the whole process--did they really think they were there to "share the Gospel?"
Here's how Kirstin DuMez described the experience of being in documentaries on her Substack (written after Shiny Happy People came out): "In general, agreeing to film a documentary is exhausting and, frankly, fairly high risk. Sometimes I’ve filmed for up to 8 hours and I have no idea which few sentences will be used, how they will be framed, or how the project itself will take shape. There is a lot of trust involved."
They are too old to be this clueless and "not knowing" lets abuse flourish. Since their church and their families taught submission, if Paul was an abuser (definitely not implying anything about them!) then Morgan could be in a very bad situation and without a lot of resources to get out. In contrast, my kid watched the docuseries and said, "Now I wonder how many super-obedient, quiet kids we met from other churches were having the crap beaten out of them at home." Maybe Paul and Morgan should have a bit of compassion instead of whining that they didn't get more screen time. Oh, and Paul and Morgan are NOT part of the Joshual Generation.
Deconstruction does not have to end with relinquishing one’s faith completely. That is what makes it empowering.
My win for the week: had an amazing weekend of camping in Southern Colorado. Completed day 59 of #75hard today!!! Excited for the video! Hope you have a great/better week!
Colorado is so pretty!! I’m glad you had a great trip and are crushing 75 hard 🎉
And thank you, I really appreciate that 💛
Yayyyyyy love these videos!!!!
I’m so glad you like them 💛🎉
Calling everything "gaslighting" like Paul does in this video, is a spit in the face to us who have been through gaslighting for real by our abusers. I was in an abusive/violent relationship for years and it went so far that I thought I was going crazy by that man's tactics, and after a while I FOR REAL developed a psychosis because of all the manipulation, violence, and stuff I don't even want to describe in this comment section out of respect for people... I can't with these people calling things by the wrong name, especially when it comes to psychological terms. Also, I was a psychology student for a while, so I'm saying this from that angle as well. DON'T use the wrong terminology, it just takes away the true meaning of really complex situations!
But the documentary DID include and interview Christians! There was a whole ass pastor interviewed!
My win for the week is I found out my brother is gonna have a daughter! I’m gonna be an aunt!!!
Why does Paul give me such an icky feeling? Like it’s so weird how strong the ick is with that one
My win for the week is that I just started in college
I cannot stand these 2 but I like their 🪴I wouldn’t have them teach my dog to sit.