HAVE PAUL AND MORGAN TURNED A CORNER? | When To Leave My Charismatic Church? Reaction
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This may the first time Morgan and Paul didn't use the word "raw" in a video and that's a win for all of us.
So true! 😂
I know right lolz
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My win is finally graduating after trying to get my degree the past 20 years.
That is an AMAZING accomplishment, congratulations!! 🎓🎉
I grew up in a charismatic church that was so traumatizing for me. I’m actually glad they made this video.
They're making good points. Pressuring others into worshipping/behaving in a certain way and looking down on other people who don't quite share your views is not good. I wish they would realise it's pretty much what they do to Christians who are more progressive than they are.
Win of the week: My boyfriend & I got approved for a home & we move in less than a month 🥳
So exciting! I hope the moving process is smooth!!
My win- I commented last week my win- getting my license approved as a licensed social worker. I found out this past week I officially got the bereavement counselor job and will be starting in July! I am so relieved and grateful and excited!
And yesss to more dairy free alts! The Kite Hill ravioli is also super good
My win is finding out my pregnancy is going well; I heard his heartbeat for the first time this week 🥰
Omg congratulations!!! That is so magical!!😊
congrats on your baby!!
How special! 🥺😍
My win for the week is that my youngest daughter got a job as a paraprofessional at our local school and she's been so happy after months of depression following her graduation from college in December.
Aw, I get that. It's a tough time.
I’m glad she’s feeling better! The time after graduation can be really disorienting for sure.
P & M have a loooooooong way to go. They say the words "science" and "evolution" in quotation marks.
My win is we started the drywall phase of our home remodel! so happy to see real walls coming to life after almost 5 years of planning and day dreaming about a second bathroom 😂
Oh that’s so exciting! I hope the remodel goes as smoothly as possible!
It felt so weird agreeing with Paul and Morgan. Good on them!
Just rediscovered your channel! This whole video I think, (in reference to Paul and Morgan), feels like a great example of slow growth is still growth. I love that you pointed that out in the beginning. Hopefully that growth journey continues for them.
I also really love that you discuss Christianity on your channel even though it is not your main content and not all of your audience may have the same beliefs. It is so good to have voices like yours fight the stereotype of American Christianity. I really appreciate this and applaud you for that.
My win is that I’m being brave and wanting drive even though I used to get super anxious.
What a cool win, you’ve got this! 💛
I understand where Paul and Morgan are coming from, and have had many similar feelings in past churches. However, point 5 seems hypocritical to me considering that they accuse more progressive Christians of not being real Christians.
Hahaha I kind of wish they would take the same approach with other stuff--"we don't have much experience with that, so we won't try to give advice on it"
I finally found out im having a girl. My little brother had threw me a great surprise reveal.
❤❤❤ congrats mama!
omg congrats!!! i remember seeing your initial comment from like two months ago i am so happy for u!!
Ahhh! Congratulations!
Congratulations!
Congratulations! That’s so fun!! 💛
I kind of wonder why Paul and Morgan don't keep doing content like this. No interest? Worried it will turn off their subscribers?
It seems more substantial than their constant rebranding (I believe they now plan to do those "stop random college students and ask them questions" videos), which doesn't seem to be doing their channel any favours. 🤷♀️
I wonder that too. One thought I have is that they think if they talk about red flags/issues within organized religion too much they’ll seem too “progressive” which won’t bode well for their audience since so much of their content is criticizing progressive Christians (especially on Paul’s IG). I’d love to see more videos like this on their channel though. Seems like it would be though-provoking for both them and their audience.
@B Haney Ahh yes. Progressive - the other 4 letter word. 😂
I'm a Christian and followed Paul and Morgan's channel but had to take a break from listening because of this. I don't feel like their new content benefits me or applies to me. Even tho I dont always agree with them I still have love for them but don't like all the switching up. It was way more interesting when they would talk about these kind of topics
I might get some flack for this, but I would even go so far as to say that Prosperity Gospel is anti-Christian. All it does is prey on vulnerable people and equates poverty with sin. If the promise of good health and wealth never materialize for you, then well, you're obviously sinning in some way and that's what's preventing God from rewarding you. It's just not true. Jesus took an active role in the lives of the people on the lowest rungs of society. Their reward for following Him was education, wisdom, and spiritual fulfillment, not money. What they're claiming is the antithesis of the Bible's teachings and I just don't know why people believe in it. It isn't God who rewards those preachers, it's their congregation.
Win for the week: I saw Taylor Swift April 29th and when my husband and I were walking around Atlanta before the show her motorcade drove by us and she rolled down the window and WAVED AT ME
I made it to 48 on the 30th of April. Actually looking forward to 50.
Happy belated birthday! 🎉 I hope you have an amazing year 🎂
My win for the week is that I managed to get up before my baby for some extra quiet "me time" today, and I'm currently drinking my coffee while it's still warm, which is a miracle with an infant haha.
I have noticed they are less hateful lately. I see them growing a small bit and trying to see things from another perspective. They're far from what I would consider healthy ideologies. But I see growth. I for some reason want to like them? I don't know why. But I feel like they're so sheltered and one day it will click for them....like you can have your core beliefs, but let's remember every person,life and circumstance is different and understanding that is so important.
I went to a church that slowly turned charismatic. They brought this couple in and the wife was claimed to be a prophet. However, she wasn’t there to predict times and dates, all she did was call certain people demons in the church. She never gave a reason why, and she was untouchable/unquestioned, it was so messed up! Those “demons” (she claimed) still walk with God, but she really messed them up for a long time.
Regarding speaking in tongues there has to be an interpreter otherwise what good is speaking if you don’t know what the message is?
exactly one week ago i woke up to a dead fridge. cost me all of my spoons even with my dad helping me all the way, but i got a new fridge delivered the following day.
I’m glad you were able to get a replacement so quickly! Hopefully this new one lasts you a lonnnng time 🎉
Win for the week: I painted our suite kitchen cabinets…finished everything 10min before the new tenant arrived to move it!
Whew, just in time!!
I'm still catching up on your videos, but for my win.......Within the last few days, I got to see my Grandmaster instructor in person for the first time in about 13 years since he moved to Texas (I'm in Minnesota). It was great to sit and visit with him!
To put into context, I've been involved in martial arts for almost 35 years. My Grandmaster started training me since 1994 when he took me in as an advanced belt from a previous school, and trained me up to black belt and into my upper dan (black belt) levels. He's been a great mentor and friend, and taught me a lot more than just techniques and forms. :)
My win for today, i had two presentations back to back and i completed both despite being so nervous i messed up a lot. I'm glad it is over
My win is I had my car break down, got it fixed in a day and had the money in my emergency fund. Car is running like new.
win of the week: going to the archery range with my boyfriend and putting in my two weeks notice from my job! i’m going freelance :)
My win is I'll be a year sober next week🎉
wow! congratulations! God bless
Congratulations, that’s amazing!!
I am proud of you! Anyone who goes on that journey should be proud it isn't easy but so worth it.
I agree with their take so far (at point 4). I was raised Charismatic/Pentecostal. My dad is a pastor. But he is not hyper either of those. He is extremely careful that every sermon and teaching is backed by Scripture, much of which he has committed to memory. He cares greatly about sound theology, and does not tolerate much of the unbiblical, and frankly New-Age practices we see in many of these hyper-Charismatic circles.
My win is that I’m 39 weeks pregnant and my body is showing signs that labor is going to start. I never went into labor with my first even after a 3 day induction😅 so it means that I might actually get a chance to have a vbac 😊
Ah, so cool!! I hope your labor experience is great! ☺️
So exciting!! Wishing you all the best you got this this!
Im happy you got your vegan ravioli 🤣 my win is landing a job in my local school system for next fall! Im with you, I like seeing this side of this couple.
My win for the week - 4 days before the expiry of my theory test I finally passed the driving exam in the Netherlands and can soon drive my car again!! It’s been a year and a half.
win of the week: just finished my last week of undergrad and finally graduating college!
That is such a great feeling!! Congratulations 🎊🎉
My win is that my FIL/landlord fixed .5 of the deck steps. Baby steps.
I went to a Baptist Bible church, so lots of scripture. Which I liked. But that guilt of not having the time to finish the prayer list was horrible and made me feel worse.
I went to my in laws church, brought my Bible, didn't open it. Just the pastor talking about whatever he did. I did not like it. One of the mega churches. Then my FIL said they kept asking for more money so he left to another mega church.
On Wednesday it was more relaxed. And I always wanted to raise my hand and questions stuff but the other folks, old farts, were just content and I felt too scared to speak up.
Not being allowed to question is thought control-a sign of a cult
My win is that I got my save the dates mailed for my wedding!
Congratulations! I hope your wedding is so fun 🎉😍
congrats! so exciting
my win is submitting all of my transcripts and info to go back to school in july!
i love that you do wins of the week! mine is that my sister is coming home from college tomorrow!
That’s awesome! I’m sure it’ll be so nice to have her home ☺️💛
Awesome
My win for the week was a lovely holiday with some friends where the weather was much better than we were hoping for :)
I am not being sarcastic or snarky when I say this: I think Paul and Morgan would love the LDS church. And the church would love them
Though I kinda doubt they’d ever be open minded enough to listen past the first missionary discussion 🤪
(I am not lds anymore but I grew up mormon in utah, went on a mission, and still live in utah. I’m not just pulling that out of my ass haha)
I’m like 30 mins in, and I’m with you on appreciating the “agreement on Paul and Morgan in this one, but some of the next ones or the one previous was half a nope” vibe.
Also came to comment that once you said every time Morgan took a drink, you were thirsty, I noticed I drank after nearly every time she did. Interesting.
Also, win for the week: I got some more goodies for my home office to help me become more productive and a standing desk for not having to sit all the time.
Win for the week: got a corgi puppy and he's the best!
The Kite Hill mushroom ravioli is amazing!!!
An :echochamber" is one of the most destructive things (can't think of the word) someone can surround themselves with EVER! IMO ovcourse
My win for the week we made it through my oldest daughters pssa testing last week. It was rough cuz i barely sleep cuz of my autistic 4 yr old daughter. I survived it though . Back to work today this am
My win for the week is passing my house inspection!
I love your content, but I cannot handle Paul and Morgan’s dynamic, even with you mediating on rewatch.
I understand 😬 lol
Kite hill has really good vegan ravioli and tortellini! I get them from sprouts or Whole Foods 😊
I think any church that makes women feel less than men is a reason to leave. Also judgemental people. You can't assume another great only God knows that. It matters not what religion anyone is but that we come together as believers in Jesus
8:19 promis you no promises as a song lyric by the Cheat Codes and Demi Lovato
I know that ravioli! We love it! I like it traditional or air fried
Morgan seems out of it in this video.
Has anyone ever noticed paul looks like nev (neev) from the MTV show catfish lol
Make no promises, tell no lies!
my win for the week is a few days ago ii got told a baby duck nd got a new stuffie :D
So…is hyper charismatic kind of like southern Baptist? Fire and brimstone, spit rag in hand while preaching?
No, think Bethel and Hillsong, new age-y sounding language, rolling on the floor, dancing in the aisles, falling out, lots of shouting, sermons that place the listener in the center of the parable/Bible story etc.
That TJs vegan rav is so good!!!
At 8:45 lol, yeah they did...
Side note “we risk TMI to help you navigate life” is a million times better than DMI which is not an acronym that anyone uses so it’s not clever at all and it drives me nutttsssss.
@27:00 it's 1 step forward 3 steps back with Paul and morgan smh 😔
Can anyone please tell me what a ‘charismatic’ church is? I’m non-religious but just interested in learning about different cultures. There were so many terms in this video that I didn’t understand at all but I guess I could figure out if I understood the main principle of the word ‘charismatic’ in this context. I didn’t even know churches had websites so maybe that’s what gives them their charisma 😂✌️
It basically means that the church emphasizes supernatural experiences as part of their relationship with God. These are things like speaking in tongues, faith healing, prophecy, miracles, and signs from God. They believe that experiencing these things is evidence that the believer has been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
@@emersonb.5399 thank you, I appreciate your response 😊🙏
Are your symptoms coming back with the binders of these dairy-free alternatives?
It never sits right with me when white evangelicals criticize “overly emotive” worship styles. Because I think this kind of worship in BIPOC communities is definitely tied to systemic racism and generations of not being able to process and validate their pain in a wider church context. I say this as someone who no longer is very religious and strongly agrees that there is lots to critique in the charismatic church. The critique should be based on doctrine though. And I know there are lots of white Pentecostals. The way Morgan was expressing discomfort with the overly emotive worship style and saying you don’t have to cry every time really bothered me. And I think it’s because I see this style of worship in BIPOC churches as being a way for people to emotionally process a lot of the injustice they deal with even if they don’t think that’s a factor. Especially since mental health is still s taboo in lots of BIPOC families and in the wider Christian community.
Maybe she’s not overcome with emotion because she’s not constantly facing racial violence. She’s not being constantly overwhelmed by injustice. Racial oppression can cause trauma and lots of charismatic worship is similar to stimming or movement to relieves anxiety. I don’t know. This particular critique had always rubbed me the wrong way because I think it ignores why more expressive worship and baptism of the Holy Spirit is more common in some communities. It reminds me of being little and the white congregation being annoyed with us for being too loud. People should worship however they would like but by that same token the overly emotive style of worship is just as valid, especially when you consider why some people might be drawn to it. Of all the issues with the charismatic church I think being loud and intense during worship is the least of them.
This is really thought-provoking. When I first heard Morgan make the point I took it as her saying she felt like she wasn’t a good enough Christian/didn’t have enough fire for the Lord if she wasn’t always expressive during worship or prayer not that she was uncomfortable with herself or others being highly emotional. However, I was listening with the context of my own life experience and I can definitely see how calling this a red flag comes off as dismissing the value that being able to express oneself openly and with vulnerability during worship has to people in BIPOC communities. Thanks so much for bringing this up 💛
@@BHaney Thanks for your response! I definitely understand how people feel pressured to be emotive and how it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. That’s completely valid. I myself no longer go to church. But it’s just a thought I’ve always had and think it’s a facet of this that gets overlooked. Love your content. It’s always thoughtful 💛
I also think that it’s important to note that the overly emotive styles of worship in some BIPOC communities, particularly black communities descended primarily from enslaved Africans, is also a result of direct cultural ties to their African ancestors-worship in many parts of West Africa is very loud and joyous and dynamic without the same societal racism present. The importance of loud and emotive worship may be driven for lots of communities by a sense of reclaimed identity, but the practice itself is part of many African cultures.
I think the key point that they were making is that you shouldn’t HAVE to do it that way. Not that it’s wrong to do it that way. Maybe there are people of colour who don’t like singing I don’t know! In my opinion the important thing is letting people choose
I disagree. I think PM are describing the heightened emotional manipulation used in charismatic worship to convince worshippers they are having a spiritual experience like repeating a chorus for 10 minutes and the pastor emotionally crying out to god and beseeching him for mercy, etc.
I was very much subjected to it in numerous mainly white Pentecostal churches. Even people (white) rolling around on the church floor in a Southern one. I think you’re misunderstanding her point.
Well concerning the elder board. I don't think missionaries are being considered here. Like I'm living in a country where we barely have enough Christians to run a church...
Sorry, can someone answer why it's bad to eat cheese or ravioli if you have endometriosis? I'm feel kinda scary now, bc I have endometriosis, but never heard of it!
Dairy doesn’t have a negative effect on everyone who has endometriosis so no need to be scared! When I first got diagnosed my doctor recommended I keep a food journal so I could figure out which foods triggered pain and symptoms for me and in doing that I realized dairy triggered my symptoms horribly so that’s why I avoid it. Dairy is generally considered something to avoid for those who have endo but if you’re not experiencing negative effects from consuming it, then it may not be something you need to cut from your diet 😊
@@BHaney, thank you so much for answer and explaining it to me! 🌸
And I wish you a good health and experience bad symptoms as rarely as it's possible!
Did morgan just say she was charismatic lol shes the monotone queen hahah jk
Is Morgan drunk or sedated in some serious way? I mean I get it, she is married to him...
Morgan seems sad
More so than normal.
I feel like I also noticed a few times that Paul wasn't talking over her quite so much. Am I wrong?
I don’t watch them much but she seems like she’s on something… or is that just her way of speaking?
@8:48 have you seen a lot of P & M??? He talks down to her and treats her like she is stupid...
Thanks for your take; it does seem contrived and it’s curious how Morgan has no qualms about insulting him publicly while he just blankly cowers to it. Aside from being new material,this dynamic seems to be ‘third verse, same as the first’ and I worry for the young folk who watch them regularly and think this is a proper example of not just relationships, but worse an example of a husband leading and a wife submitting. It’s been so sad to see his refusal to lead his family, Morgan needs her husband to do more than just not look effeminate. He must lead his family, that’s his primary vocation and that full encompassing aspect of life in which he honors and brings glory to our Christ. So often people don’t seem to understand that the single best way to help your partner faithfully execute their responsibilities is that you meet yours; a submissive and praying wife will actually be heaping what her husband most needs to do his job right upon him because he can’t run from the Lord as easily. A leading and praying husband will heap upon his wife what she most needs in directing her towards God’s calling upon her. Just as when parents conduct themselves in accordance with God’s design, the children are then most effectively brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord most consistent with His design. I pray Paul will fall under mentorship and teaching that would bring him to his rightful stream of submission to Christ so he would take on his role as husband, father, and man. Morgan will more than likely not assent appropriately until that happens now that their child is involved now also. We all like to forget that women were handed two curses at the fall and a weak effeminate husband will only magnify the extent and effects of the one we conveniently and intentionally (in my opinion) ignore.
No king but Christ!
My win for this week is His win…
It’s just so weird to see where they draw the line… they could apply this reasoning to the Christian faith as a whole. Some prophecy is ok, but other prophesies are not? Some scriptures are ok to be included in the service, but not if they push an agenda?
Paul and Morgan should be on RUclips kids instead.