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Paul seems very patronizing towards others, not just his own wife. Morgan doesn’t seem to have a problem with it. I don’t see Paul as being an outright abusive person. I think he’s just pretentious and has a sort of know-it-all attitude. He’s just an unlikable person.
I agree; like B, I think I would not get along with Paul in real life; we would immediately clash, even if I didn’t know about his channel or anything.
That’s exactly how I would put it. Would I like him? No. Is he abusive? I don’t think so.
Why even call him "unlikable" though? The guy defended his wife when JLP tried to insult who women are.
wow disagree
She's playing up the laughing WAY too much. It definitely feels like she is trying to be over the top to make people think "there's no way this is reality! My husband is amazing!"
I think it’s important to note that Jordan’s pregnancy was horrendously miserable. That context makes McKays comment make sense. Plus you can want a pregnancy and a child so badly and try for years and still be miserable during the pregnancy. Both can be true and I’ve had good friends who experienced that and actually making space for that to be true can be extremely important to the pregnant person’s mental health. People get shamed by some for being open about how miserable they are during pregnancy. It’s harmful.
To be clear I don’t really love the speculation around peoples personal lives and health etc. So I’m not necessarily defending that. Just giving context to the miserable comment because I think it was very fair.
That's what I was getting ready to say. I watched their "Postpartum Psychosis" video not too long ago and I just cried for her/them. If only Andrea Yates had had that support, instead of the people she was surrounded by. Not excusing what she did by ANY MEANS. Horrific, but thank God they reached out to the proper specialists.
@@cathyhudnall6742 for sure!
I didn’t know that about Jordan’s pregnancy so that makes sense! I agree that it’s super important for people to feel comfortable and supported in opening up with their struggles during pregnancy. I definitely don’t think McKay meant anything bad in saying Morgan might be miserable, I just didn’t think that was something Morgan would say about her own experience so far so I was nervous it would strike a cord but I was glad it didn’t 😊
@@BHaney you know Morgan’s Pregnant now right??????
Ugh hearing Paul referring to Jordan as “the female” is sooooo gross and dehumanizing.
I thought so too!!!
When Paul corrected Morgan about the lion v lioness, I had to laugh because when my husband points something out or tries to correct me on a word so unimportant to the conversation, I just look at him with a deadpan expression & say, "where did that get you?" Because those kinds of corrections don't need to be made to understand the context. It tends to bring the other person down. I'm not saying no to corrections & criticism, just that there is a time for it. For Morgan & Paul, I don't think he should be correcting her on camera. I'd love to see him build her up instead.
Yes, and such an unnecessary correction, because a lioness is a lion. Like, no one was going to infer that Morgan was implying that she was a male animal, Paul. 🙄 “Make sure you use the GIRL version, female!!”
This is why people's confidence in claiming original intent in religious texts like the Bible is baffling to me. For one, it's thousands of years old with probably hundreds of contributors. Secondly, I don't think people realize how difficult translation can be. I took a class studying medieval Christian mysticism. I was reading texts like the Cloud of Unknowing in its original Middle English dialect and there were different spellings of the same word on the same page of the text ('byrnynge vs. byrnyng vs. burnynge, etc.). Many early translations of the Bible were done in languages that did not have a consistent set of rules for grammar and writing yet which led to regional differences in spelling and wording of the translations from Greek, Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic. There is way too much variability when examining the phylogeny of human languages to make broad, sweeping statements about what the intent behind Biblical passages is.
Right?! We can do our best to dig into the context- both historical and the author of a particular passage’s perspective- but it is so hard to get the full picture all these years later. Not to mention the difficulties in translation from one language to another! That class you took sounds fascinating- it bet it was so interesting and challenging at the same time!
We have a hard enough time in the USA with our constitution 😅
@@rescueferret8834 Right? Like trying to get people to understand that the second amendment was written to protect slave owners in case that there was an uprising, it also only applies the Muskets so… The modern usage of the second amendment is very confusing.
Jordan and McKay are ex-Mormons and Jordan got pregnant and really struggled unexpectedly with depression… so maybe that’s why they thought Morgan was miserable. Based on Jordan and McKay’s experience, it is a legitimate possibility, even with a deeply wanted baby.
Jordan and McKay!
I watched Jordan‘s video on her pregnancy story and she opened up about her post partum depression, I really admire her strength and vulnerability to talk about something that is still considered to be taboo.
Wasn't that so heartbreaking? I'll never complain about my C-section again. (I probably will but geez!)
I’ve seen a few comments mentioning Jordan’s story about her pregnancy, I haven’t watched it but I feel like I need to now 💛
I never cry listening to things like that but her story had me tearing up. Extremely scary and heartbreaking
I personally feel like there is such a disconnect with Paul and Morgan. Just from looking at them and how they are with each other I don't feel Paul is really a present partner and a tad controlling
"let's sober up a bit" Paul trying to interrogate his own wife.
I have no idea who they are but he definitely gives me vibes of my ex-husband (super strict mormon) and I would play it up like I was SO HAPPY but in reality I was dying inside (and then il I cheated on him and we got divorced-yeah I'm not great either) but Paul CREEPS me out.
Is Paul sure this video was something Morgan wanted to do? He seems way more bothered than she does.
Yeah, I’m getting…uncomfortable vibes just watching them. He seems a lot more bothered by the comments and videos themselves and seems even MORE ticked off by her laughter 😳 it’s a bit odd…
@@okoala62 I agree. :/
I feel like if the video was her idea she definitely should have taken a firmer stance in refuting the rumors. She was being silly about it and he was real intense, it just felt odd.
Yes, it was her idea. She brought it up during the previous livestream to this video.
Paul’s half laugh and trying regain control of the tone over and over makes me so uncomfortable 🫠 it feels like they didn’t even have a full conversation about these criticisms before going live, such a weird vibe
I just had to pause to say, the way he pronounced ‘compilation’ at 11:43 made my eye twitch.
I thought about commenting on that too 😂
Yes! That bothered me so much 😭
I had one of those full body flinches at that pronunciation 😄
jordan and mckay have made so many good and very valid critiques on these two and the very harmful messages they put out to the world and they chose to address this? not surprising, but still kind of annoying.
anyways! great video, as always, B!
That’s what gets me! They’re saying that the montage is just taking little snippets out of context (which is fair), but how is that any different from how they’re addressing Jordan and McKay’s criticisms?
It almost seems as though HE’S also concerned if she’s happy. She sitting there giggling about everything and he kind of has this air of “no seriously, are you miserable?!”
McKay’s use of the term that Morgan is possibly “miserable” due to her pregnancy might be because he watched Jordan have a horrible pregnancy, a horrific c-section that she felt the entire surgery & went into shock due to the trauma. Then she had not only PPD, but PP psychosis, her trauma was so severe, that she had said that will never have another child. That’s McKay’s experience with his wife’s pregnancy, so he may not understand that some women enjoy pregnancy & don’t suffer the way Jordan did. They made a video on it, it’s extremely difficult to watch.
Personally think Morgan is too closely scrutinized. The evidence people are giving for her being in a controlling, miserable marriage could have nothing to do with the marriage. Paul might come off as a douche but I really feel like people are reaching, and not respecting Morgan's other aspects of life: mental health struggles, fertility struggles, post partum struggles, ect. Not to mention a person really does get comfortable and lose enthusiasm the more they do something.
Expecting her to upkeep the energy she had at the beginning of the Paul and Morgan show is unrealistic in my opinion, and not a sign that she needs help or saving.
I agree! I also think this narrative is serving to absolve Morgan of the bigoted and harmful things she’s said & needs to be held accountable for, just as much as Paul.
Paul is far from that. He was the one defending her and women when Jlp and his guys attacked them.
Honestly paul is problematic but as someone who has a lot of lived experience with guys like this, who are raised in these beliefs, Paul is a freaking unicorn. That being said, he definitely makes me want to rip my own arm off and throw it at him a good majority of the time 💀
If you watch her in other interviews though and videos where Paul isn’t there and she seems much more confident and speaks a lot more quickly
When they said “on things that are very black and white with scripture” I was like…. What things? There are no things like that. Maybe very general things like “Jesus was a person” or “genesis contains a creation myth” (although some believe it’s a true story, some believe it’s metaphor so maybe that one’s out).
Was hoping someone was going to comment on this! Paul opens this video saying Morgan had bought the idea of this video to the table, yet you even mention B that it appears Paul is the one driving it and even hard core defending himself throughout... I hope, like Paul states, that this actually gives him an opportunity to reflect on his behaviour
@29:33 YES 👏👏👏 I think ppl who have nvr loved someone or been close to someone with BPD don't understand...thats why I do empathize with Paul too. Also I've finally figured out who Paul reminds me of this whole time, he's a Ross from Friends.
To each their own but I hate the use of "baby girl" when not actually addressing a young daughter/granddaughter etc. Given the context of the video it's kind of cringe.
Maybe I'm not approaching challenges the right way, but in my family, we learned to laugh about many of our problems. To this day, it does help me calm down in a lot of situations where I would feel like crying lol! So it kind of rubs me the wrong way that Paul wants Morgan to be super serious about things people are saying about her when clearly, she feels like laughing about them.
I don't know, maybe it's just me!
I appreciate you trying to be fair towards them!
23:44 me thinks they protest too much 🤔. If THEY had common sense, they have to understand they WILL be judged and criticized for what THEY are putting out there to the public, especially their marriage. I find it a bit weird how he is very defensive and says, “I have to defend myself” and then immediately, “I don’t have to defend myself” 🙄. I think he should’ve processed his feelings a bit better BEFORE recording this but I get the impression he is not honestly saying what he’s really feeling. I think that if my husband and I were in their position (had a RUclips channel, presented our marriage the way Paul and Morgan do, etc etc) and we were reacting to commentators like this, my husband’s immediate reaction would be, “Wow. I didn’t mean to come off that way. Do YOU think I’m treating you bad? Do YOU agree with anything they are saying (even if it IS erroneous)?” I think this video is a bit telling- he’s not really helping his case much but I haven’t seen the whole thing so maybe I’m wrong 😅
Exactly
400 different translations 🤯 Love watching you B!!
I’m always shocked at how non submissive Morgan is with their beliefs. Like her laughing at him and how she always is bold on some things she says. I feel if she wasn’t with him, she wouldn’t be an extreme Christian at all and I’m going to guess they fight a lot at home. The “keep it together” was sooo obvious their dynamic but she seems truly unaffected.
I wish they’d address actual criticisms about their points of view. This montage crap doesn’t really address anything concrete. Paul does subtle manipulations that some viewers may be sensitive to so that could be why people reach out. She may not even realize he does this.
Paul and Morgan give so much word salad…
Paul just seems really intense in a threatening way. also that weird kiss and side hug in the beginning was weird as fuck for a married couple idk
Hi B,
Just started watching your videos :) I’m a fan of Paul and Morgan but have enjoyed watching your reviews on their videos just to hear a different perspective even if I see things differently than you. I like that you remain respectful and you are an amazing communicator 👍🏻
I don’t know what it is but I have a hard time with his tone like 90 percent of the time lmao . I am extremely sensitive to tones always have been and his tone I just can’t it gets under my skin so bad 😂😂😂
Me too.
sounds like a personal problem . If a person tone is that distracting to you that you cant even hear the true message. Probably some unhealthy trauma you people need to get to healing instead of pointing your fingers at others with blame .
You are very fair in this video! 👍🏾
Thank you, I was trying!!
My daughter has BPD. It took a long time for me to realize that it wasn't anyone around her who actually Made her upset. It's the bpd. It's hard to see. So I can really see her side of it
I’m Ukrainian and I think what she meant by that when she was talking about her friends was the stereotype that Ukrainians and other Slavic cultures generally aren’t very affectionate and come off as having a cold personality. Not gonna lie, it is true for me so I’m not mad at her for saying it but at the same time I can see why a lot of people would find it odd for her to mention that .
That makes sense! I wish she would have included if that was why she said it because the comment without the context of her experience really threw me off!
@@BHaney as a ukrainian who happens to know paul and morgan and the ukrainian people they know, there's no relevance to her specifying that some of their friends are ukrainian. maybe she's perceiving it as being a ukrainian thing, but it's really more specific to a few people they're friends with who aren't that touchy feely
It’s hard to realize that you don’t actually know people on the internet. It feels like you get to know these people because they share “so much” but if you think about it, it’s a very small fraction of their whole lives. I don’t think anyone can actually know the reality of their relationship by just watching videos.
I dislike Paul and how he treats Morgan
Yeah
lol y'all don't want even watch there full videos but you care about morgan a bunch of bs .
@@Nicky-ez3ln why would I want to watch more of them lol
Really enjoy your videos. Just started this one and have to ask - where is your shirt from? Love it!
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Ohhhhh and I think people keep asking her if she needs help and like checking to see if she’s happy is because they like her more than him . Just a thought lol
No shade, but why does Morgan seem so faded out and disassociated? I don't watch these guys a lot so i don't know if that's just her baseline demeanour but it comes off odd to me
EDIT: ok so i got to the part about the MDD and BPD and now it makes a lot of sense. People with Borderline tend to struggle with defining a sense of self and emotional regulation. This often translates to relationships that are codependent and lacking in important boundaries.
“We’re just a little bit more on the critiquing mentality, that’s just our personalities.” Very poetic way of saying that, basically, y’all are some haters. 😆
Sometimes I feel like Paul is sneaking into someone’s adderall in contrast to the Valium vibes of Morgan.
I kinda disagree with you about Jaclyn. I think she WOULD get buddy buddy- she maybe want to get a closer look and keep closer eye instead of just barging in like she did with Eugenia(which was a disaster). Sometimes the correct course of action is unfortunately to sit back and wait and she did the best she could by being any sort of normal lifeline outside of Paul/their church. Appreciate your nuance as always, B!
That’s a good point about Jaclyn! I understand wanting to get close to a situation you’re concerned about and quietly keeping an eye on things. I’d just hope she wouldn’t publicly be buddy buddy with them if she was concerned for Morgan’s safety/mental health after meeting them since she expressed some serious concerns in a video before she met them.
Hi, I came across this video on my feed and I was curious because I follow Paul and Morgan and I admire them. I have to say this is the best reaction video I've come across. I've watched several videos were people push back on Paul and Morgan. And I love how you were so mature and composed, thoughtful and polite and respectful. Thank you. + You've got a New subscriber ❤️
Thank you so much, I’m glad to have you here 💛
For some reason, he so reminds me of dave hollis
I don’t think Jordan and Kay are making the assumptions that you’re expressing. Maybe watch their video for entire context?
love that Lisa Barlow quote shirt! :)
Thank you! She’s a menace but I can’t help but love her 😂
Have they ever made a video when they owned up to anything?
Why do I get the feeling that Morgan is just excited to be with Paul whereas Paul’s doing her a favor?
Um... Ukrainians are actually very affectionate,but i think people that aren't familiar with east Europe culturally, misunderstand a lot. Walking around with a smile on your face all the time is uncommon and direct honesty is misconstrued as uncaring in the US. I think Paul and Morgan just don't understand the culture.
Spending time and money is more valued than being touchy-feely in public. I'm part Russian and Ive lived there.
Edit: not saying Russia and Ukraine are exactly the same but there are similar cultural aspects
Yes Ukrainian people can be quite stoic traditionally. And not super affectionate.
off topic i’m a new subscriber but i love ur top, it’s so me hehe. love ur content😁💖
Omg I work in Lexington
I realize I’m coming in a year later but I have recently made a comment that I don’t think Morgan is as happy
I do agree that they can be very judgy, like when talking about progressive christians. Also saying that the Bible is very black and white while using a translation which may or may not be a good one is completely tone deaf. We know that when only picking one verse you can make the Bible aWe know that when only picking one verse you can make the Bible say anything. In french there are to main versions of the Bible (Jerusalem's Bible and the ecumenical translation) and both interpret the greek and hebrew texts differently.
I could be wrong, but I think this excessive focus from ppl on Morgan’s well-being is counterproductive to the conversation we should be having about how they’re BOTH responsible for their own words and actions, which have been & continue to be harmful and bigoted. I definitely think it’s good ppl point out how Paul is controlling and talks over her, among many other things. But I’m kind of frustrated by so much speculation that seems to want to make Morgan completely innocent, when she has said plenty of things that she should be held accountable for.
To add to this, I have no idea if he’s abusive or not. None of us do. And I’m not suggesting she ISNT being abused either. But I think she needs to be held just as accountable for her views as Paul is.
At LEAST until we know more
Oh and one more thing, all this being said I completely agree with you saying we should give them both grace for the things they’re going through and struggling with. Despite my anger at their bigotry I wish them the best and totally feel you.
I don’t know these people but from this video alone I do not like Paul.
Morgan seems drunk or high
No she doesn’t she just pregnant ..that’s all
Side note: Your Lisa Barlow tshirt 😂
gheeeeeez... when you explained about morgan being diagnosed with severe depression and BPD, i felt like crying. i can't believe people are speculating about someone dealing with that, it breaks my heart for her. i really like Morgan and feel like, if she hadn't tied herself to this fundamentalist lifestyle, she would be really fun. but the intense abuse someone has to endure to wind up with BPD is just crushing... that's all i can think about, now... it kind of excuses her behavior in my book. (i mean, not really, but..... yeah. kinda.)
This was a good video. I just wished u could have highlighted that pushing any opinion with the bible leads to the movement of denying so many people's human rights due to differing beliefs and its gotta be fought back
I mean I was miserable being pregnant in the ending months.
What in the Bible do you regard as clear scripture then? And if nothing why do you read it?
She is maturing for goodness sake,
I don't agree with everything that Paul and Morgan say. However I do with some things. They may be a little off putting and he may seem controlling but he really is not. That's just how they are. They aren't a toxic abusive relationship. I've been in enough of those to know the difference. That's just how they are. You gotta be around enough Christian couples in the Church to just know they are a certain way. Everyone has their way of doing things. Now with that said I live some of my life different from them. And some the same. We are two TOTALLY different types of people. But I still can respect them. Just my thoughts 🖤🙏 nothing but love. I subbed. Thank you for your video
The way Paul says “compilation” is annoying lol
She’s such an annoying woman with the giggling, it’s 10 minutes and nothings been said yet🙄
Oh my gosh right?! It makes me feel like she is acting
Or maybe she just likes to laugh ??? People are aloud to be silly and happy
Yeah she definitely takes awhile to get to the point. Although I can be long-winded so I don’t think I have much room to talk 😂
@@BHaney not at all B! You’re eloquent and bring your point across very well. I guess it’s because I don’t watch their content so I’m not used to her way speaking 😂
@@Raccoon_Chic Yeah,she seems like a silly,goofy girl🤪😂
B.,
Respectfully, I see an issue with one argument you make about Paul. That is that he is "domineering". In fact, I think he is in the right mind to get defensive here as these roomers are about both he AND his wife. In fact, in most of their videos when he pauses, looks at Morgan and sats "is that fair to say," I think he is being humble and sensitive to the rage, sadness, and concern Morgan has for what they talk about. Also, I see the arguement in comments that is somewhat consistant thinking but isn't filtered through the wrong headspase, which is that Paul was "inconsistant" and "not a reflection of what he was really feeling", but there are many times in their videos when Paul feels convicted of pride for statements he said or is sensitive to Morgan's pride and changes his approach from reactionary to reflective as a result of the Holy Spirit. I actually find Morgan to be the legalistic and sometimes demeaning and dominant one over him. In the end, Paul is prayerful and humble and Morgan is honest and expressive, which makes what he says in full more meaningful and refreshing.
I think Morgan's frustrations are valid in this video as well, since, biblically, humans are said by God to be drawn to sin, defensiveness, and reckless speculations, even when we are of opposite parties (Christians vs. World Activists) an would push back on you a little to say that I feel like, yes: you do an amazing job defending them and relating to them in their minds, but that in some things, your presentation of some of your preconceived notions of them judge their Christianism and Relationship under worldly standards which is what God convicts us not to do from a Christian perspective to the world, as neither of us hold to the same standards of life.
All of this is not to say that your thoughts weren't thorough and convincing in themselves. You were very real and honest to yourself and self-relevance is important in the chastity of truth and morality. You go girl!
God Bless,
-Abby
This comment gives me boomer energy lol
@@Jordan-bm8lp Maybe so. Could you explain that thought a bit?
I'd be way more down to reply to this if it had significantly less words.
Make your points clear, and concise. Then it will be accessible to have a dialogue around.
@@kourtnikourt9308 I tried my best. I had multiple points and that is why it took up so much space. I'll try to make my points shorter, but i wanted them to look prettier. Also, there were a couple type os.
@@abbystumbo7274 you're obviously really thoughtful in your points, which I really appreciate!! I just think your points get a bit lost. I used to write like that too, but I've noticed clarity and short are what works.
If there was only one way to interpret the Bible then everyone would feel the same. To say my way is the only way is just not so. There is nothing in the Bible black and white.
Jesus paid the price for our sins so we wouldn’t have to! So trust in Jesus as Lord and Savior. Also repent so you don’t perish!
Maybe stop calling people heathens