CAM-LOK® VS EZ-LOK™ VS Direct Thread Pistons
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2022
- In this video, we discuss the revolutionary engineering products CAM-LOK® and EZ-LOK™ and how they compare with the direct thread pistons from the days of yesteryear.
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I'm loving the cam lock system. Thanks for making it
Best buy I've made. Really enjoyed the free stickers sent as well. Worth every penny. Still have a habit of checking to see if it came loose but hasn't failed yet. Highly recommend
Just got my CAM-LOC stuff today, looks great.
Picked up two pistons, three barrel adapters, and three thread protection barrel compensators. Will be used on my HK Mark 23, Walther PPQ45, and Walther P99 9mm Titanium finished.
Still waiting on my Rugged Obsidian 45.
I'm sold.. Thanks 👌🏼
Griffin Armament rules!!!
As soon as my military app gets approved I’m ordering my silencer and Cam Lok piston and muzzles
I was on the fence, but I think I’m gonna have to pick up the cam lok system for my SRD45. Fiddling with that piston system to change from a 9 mm to 45 caliber is a pain!
Bought this set and haven't looked back. I love it and recommend it to everyone I know that has a pistol suppressor.
What exactly did you buy (when you say set, I mean)?
@teller12 no prob, the the piston and camlok is what I meant
Still love my cam lok, came here to try and convince myself to buy into ez lok for the next two cans I am waiting for approvals on but I think cam lok will remain my system
So, what I'm hearing is you created the EZ LOK system for those who couldn't figure out the CAM LOK system. I've run the CAM LOK system since it was introduced and love it. I have never had any issues with it coming loose. I have had issues with the host can's piston cap (or whatever it's called) coming loose, but never the CAM LOK. I have had to teach customers how to properly use it. I'm all for options, but it's all CAM LOK for me!
The EZ lock “should” in theory have better retention. More thread engagement, higher allowable torque this force on the taper. The cam lok apparently can be damaged tightening too much. Apparently griffin addressed this, but not sure if it completely fixed the issue or not.
Have you thought about using blue loctite on the pistol cap so it won't come loose?
Blue locktite would burn off from the heat.
@@atadbitnefarious1387 fair point
@@JWard2 Commercially available red loctite (721 IIRC) is high temp up to 500F. There is another variant of red loctite we use on jet engines in aviation that goes either up to or over 600F but I forget the name civilian code and the exact boil rating of it.
It's been two years since I've had to rebuild an engine so I'm a little fuzzy on the MIL-PRF.
Great Product ✨ But shut the Very Loud Distracting MUSIC from the Great Presentation
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Let's see a the fixed barrel adapter video
What is the outside thread size on the EZ Lok adapters?
I have a sig Sauer srd45. Will this work with my suppressor? Is it just as easy as swapping out the piston that cam with my can? Thank you
Please disregard my question. Your website answered all my questions and I purchased one asap.
So these can be used for a rifle? No issued with these adapters holding up to 5.56, .308 or .45-70?
Is there a piston for gemtech pistol cans? I would really like to use this system but can't find the answer to my question
Nice. It is a pain to retighten pistol cans. Nice solutions. I've got a Griffin can, but others too. Can I use this system to convert them to this mount?
Yes, absolutely. Griffin, SiCo, Dead Air, and a lot of other manufacturers utilize a pretty standard piston design. There is an older legacy version you may encounter, so always do your research first, but I dropped one of their pistons into an Octane 45K, and bought cam lok mounts for my 1911, M9A3, and P07. So much nicer than switching carbon and lead fouled pistons every time I want to shoot the 1911 quiet.
How much use overlap is there with Ez-lok and Plan A? Is Ez-lok kind of like a Plan A without a muzzle brake? Could you, and do you plan on, making muzzle brakes with an Ez-lok taper/threads on the back instead of Plan A taper/threads? There are so many adapters in this industry! I feel like I could run a can 6 inches away from the end of the muzzle threads using nothing but adapters! I've bought one Plan A hub adapter and muzzle brake because it seemed to be the lightest in the industry for taper mounts but I'm afraid to invest in more because I don't know which products are going to be phased out for the new greatest thing.
It would be cool if Griffin released a checkmate qd system that can be adapted to any 22LR can (similar to the Gemtech 22 QDA adaptor which seems to have been discontinued)
www.griffinarmament.com/cam-lok-universal-932x28-checkmate-direct-thread-adapter/
These CAM-LOK Universal .932x28 Checkmate Direct Thread Adapters allow you to convert 1" tube rimfire silencers to receive CAM-LOK barrel adapters, such as the SWR Spectre.
Very cool!
Do you recommend applying any grease or lubricant to the threads of the pistol barrel itself before threading on the adapter or to the course threads where it interfaces with the piston? Specially with the EZ-LOK.
Absolutely! We recommend using Lok-Cease 20/20. You can find that here: www.griffinarmament.com/suppressor-anti-seize-2300f/
@@GriffinArmamentOfficialawesome. Thanks!
Could you use the EZ-LOK 1/2 28 adapter and rocksett it into a Direct Thread 5.56 can, then use the EZ-Lok barrel adapter to basically have a quick detach setup? I have an older can I am looking to do this with. Thanks.
We don't recommend using rocksett basically ever. 35 lb/ft of torque should be more than adequate
@350volvo, did you ever try the ezlok on your 556?
If i replace the spring in the booster poison housing with the fixed barrel spacer, can I use the cam-loc on a .22 rifle?
Negative. Cam-lok can only be used with pistol calibers.
I thought I watched this yesterday
RUclips videos can't be swapped in place for an edit.
Thinking about getting a Q erector 9. Just want to make sure I’d be able to use the EZ lok first.
That would require the Direct Thread to EZ-LOK Universal Adapter (1/2x28)
www.griffinarmament.com/direct-thread-to-ez-lok-universal-adapter/
@@GriffinArmamentOfficial Sorry, my question wasn’t very clear. Do you have an E-Z Lok piston that works with the Erector 9? I don’t have an Erector 9 on hand, so I’m not sure if they use similar piston specs as the ones you already have listed on your site. If the Direct thread adapter is the only option, is it supposed to be torqued into the can? Thanks in advance.
@@timdonahoo from my search, the erector 9 is a direct thread suppressor. I sent you the device you'd need to make it EZ-LOK compatible. The EZ-LOK threading is not the same as a 1/2x28 thread pitch and will not work on its own, so would also require a 1/2x28 threaded EZ-LOK barrel adapter.
I hate to be "that guy" but if direct thread suppressors come loose because of how the threads are cut, what is to stop the Cam-Lok or Ez-Lok adapter from coming off those very same threads, especially since you said do NOT use Loctite, etc? Yeah, I get that you want 22 pounds of torque, but still, it's the same thread system ultimately. Yes it's faster to put the suppressor on, but still, the loosening issue still would seem to remain.
If you torque your adapter down to its minimum of 22 ft/lbs, it will take less force to break the suppressor loose from the adapter than it will to break the adapter from the barrel using just your hand. We've never had customers complain about their adapters coming loose or coming off. If the adapter is installed correctly, the threads should not come free.
We don't advise using Loctite because some of our customers have complained that they were unable to remove their devices after their adapters and other accessories became totally locked on.
@@GriffinArmamentOfficialso couldn’t you technically torque the suppressor down direct thread style with the same torque and be good to go
I run an Obsidian9, and I’m looking for a single mounting solution for all three of my pistols: Sig P322, Walther PDP, and HK VP9. Since the P322 is not a tilt-barrel, am I SOL?
Since .22LR is a very low pressure cartridge, you can use any mounting system you like. You can use the suppressor in a tilt-barrel configuration on .22LR fixed-barrel firearms. Its generally not recommended as the functionality of the booster assembly on tilt barrel firearms is sometimes sensitive to excess carbon and lead buildup, but it is possible.
I've got a gen2 optimus at my dealer when shooting it on my pistol with the cam lok the booster assembly tries to come out of the back of the cam when taking it off the gun
Sounds like the housing needs to be torqued down into the tube body
@@GriffinArmamentOfficial I'll give it a try finally get to bring my baby home Saturday
Love all of y’all’s products but tell the editor to lose the music.
Are they interchangeable? As in, can a EZ-lok piston thread onto CAM-lok and vice versa?
No
Anyone here own one of their M4SD II QD silencers? Any thoughts opinions?
Does EZ Lok require less frequent retightening than Cam Lok
We still recommend checking tightness every 30 rounds or 2 15 round mags. But as long as the system is coupled correctly, it should stay tight longer than that.
What wretch size was in the video?
You'll need a 3/4 socket and needle type torque wrench
I am using a H&K USP45T and the Rev. 45 with cam lok mount. The left hand threads on the barrel being the opposite of the actual cam lok adapter makes me weary. Every time I put the can on I feel like I’m loosening the adapter.
As long as the barrel adapter is appropriately torqued to spec, should be good
@@GriffinArmamentOfficial that low of a torque spec could be overcome with hand pressure from securing the can though?
@@reker.a5790 No, just torque it to spec, like he said and it'll be secure when you take the suppressor in/out of the pistol.
What about a cam lock compensator?
We have the CAM-LOK carry comp? Not sure that you're asking?
So the EZ lok is the best if money was no object. Got it
Soooo what your saying is all those CAM-LOK accessories i bought a few months ago while I'm waiting for my tax stamp to come in was a waste of money
Nope, CAM-LOK is still a super slick system. And our favorite QD system, EZ-LOK is just another option.
Seems the difference is if you want quick on and quick off for a mag or so get the cam lok. If you want a more robust solution you basically can’t damage by over tightening and can fire mag after mag without the can getting loose, get the EZ lok. I went easy lok because retention and idiot proof is more important than the 2 seconds I save attaching the can from the cam lock.
Yep. I did the same unfortunately. EZ-LOK is way better.
They pretend like their originally marketing material didn't state that CAM-LOK was more secure than direct thread and "you don't have to check your suppressors every mag". I had to check mine more than direct thread using CAM-LOK.
@@LeCafeRacer This is all new to me. It sure is a head scratcher reading your comment and then seeing some people above you in comments extolling the virtues of the same system that you pan. More to this suppressor stuff than I realized; that's for sure. Of course, while I'm an experienced shooter, "cans" are novel for me and it seems like an entirely separate sub-genre of expertise apart from actual shooting...like telescopic sights.
And I can't wait to start finding out that I'm going to need to be alternating recoil springs depending on whether "can" attached.
Ez lock seems like a direct thread that already is in use .....
How is this better than the current threads ?
Super secure, doesn't back off like a regular piston. Also doesn't wear like the cam lok so you won't wear out the partial threads.
@@braxtonnelson7976 time will tell if it's more secure , don't save time like advertised is what I'm saying
Time yourself installing a standard 1/2-28 threaded silencer to the barrel, and compare it to this - it's quicker, but not a huge difference to most people. The coarser threads of this system won't get dented as easily as exposed fine threads, that's also a benefit. The retention features - if even adding a small amount of resistance - help over standard fine/square shoulder threads that loosen easily (leading to droopy can baffle strikes). Whether it's "worth it" to have the extra weight, cost, and clunkiness up front, added disassembly steps, etc. is up to the end user, of course.
I have a direct thread can. It doesn’t bother me to put it on and remove it the way I do. It’s not like I’m in a situation where I need to put it on and take it off real quick. As for this being more secure, I don’t know if it is or isn’t. But I have Griffin flip up sights on my AR and they are excellent. I’ve been considering getting the Optimist suppressor. But I may just make another form 1.
@@100fredkrueger I have a 45acp can that in two seconds I can remove from my 1911 in 45acp with bigger threads and put it on my 9mm M&P with smaller threads and not even get my hands dirty. Cam-lok has been a desire of mine since I first saw a suppressor in a movie as a child. I love it
In both cases you're still relying on a direct threaded adapter not loosening off though, right? So it's not necessarily any more secure than just direct threading unless you pin the adapter on or use rockset. Seems like machining the adapter specs with both the interrupted threads and taper on a barrel blank would be the way to go. 3-lugs are the same way, if it's machined into the barrel it's great, if it's a thread on adapter you're basically still direct thread with a handy 3-lug feature between the barrel threads and can.
When is the last time you installed a direct thread suppressor with a torque wrench? I’d guess the answer is, never.
This system is a huge improvement over direct thread.
If you don’t like it, stick with what you know
@@150DT why would somebody use a torque wrench to tighten a can? I never do and mine are direct thread. When I shoot, my can will tighten significantly. It’s like an oil filter. You don’t have to tighten them much and the pressure and heat will tighten it more.
As someone who has put thousands of rounds through my Cam-lok on a 45acp 1911 and M&P9, the muzzle devices don't loosen up. I pull them on and off to clean my guns every 500 ish rounds. I launched my can once because I didn't torque it on right, and this new product is for people who are afraid of that. My Rugged can is fine and it wasn't the Cam-lok fault. I love mine
@@100fredkrueger I thought they always loosened when you fired. I thought it was just a matter of time. On another video involving direct thread and cam lok, host says he hand tightens suppressor every five rounds or so. Is this not the case in your experience. (Just curious, as I have little experience with "cans.")
So I wasted money on my Camlok system that comes loose?
If you're having issues with your CAM-LOK system, we recommend that you reach out to customer service. They can be reached at cs@griffinarmament.com
Dude the only way your CAM-LOK system is coming loose is if you hand tightened it or torqued it to below 22 FT LBS. Out of the dozens I've seen properly installed, literally not a single one has had any sort of issue running it. Everyone I know that's tried one quite literally freaks out about how amazing it is. Get yourself the proper tools for installation and you'll thank me later.
@@FirearmEnthusiast I think he’s saying the piston comes loose from the cam lok. Not that the adapter comes loose from the barrel. It seems pretty well documents (check out jay at pew pew science) that the cam lok does not have as good retention as the EZ lok. I bought the EZ lok to be on the safe side. Would love to buy both and post a video comparing both after a few mags to compare but not dropping another 140 bucks to appease my curiosity haha. Brilliant system by griffin though. Can’t believe it took until now to come along
@@stevis182 So how has the EZ LOK treated you, does the suppressor not come loose?
@@ItsIntelligent it’s the best mount I’ve Ives. Does not come loose. Fantastic design and I’ve decided it’s going on all my hosts
Great looking gear. The video is well done but tell your a-hole neighbors to turn down the damn radio.
But traditional threaded lets you look really cool - like on TV and in movies.
But being less of a smart-ass - could threaded devices be threaded left handed? Is that supposed to be why the Russians thread the AK lefty - so that the torque keeps the muzzle device tight?
as long as you torque the barrel adapter to the specifications we recommend, there shouldn't be an issue of the adapter unthreading. But. Must be torqued to spec
The EZ Lok looks a bit faster than direct but the guy definitely went fast on the EZ Lok on purpose lol...
Nope, it really just is that much easier to attach. Less threading necessary for attachment and tapered surfaces to pull the system together and keep it from unscrewing like traditional pistons