Personally I wouldn’t worry about what other people say , You’ve obviously trained and put enough time into both semi-autos and single actions to know what your going to instinctively do.. It’s similar to the two handed grip on a a semi with thumbs forward compared to thumbs tucked down with revolvers, You will automatically switch to the correct grip if you’re trained enough.
I’ve been shooting semi autos for so long… the first issued weapon I had in the military was a 1911… I spent many years as an advanced pistol tactics instructor for special missions groups, Navy MA’s, Air Force security units and Coastguard port security… I started “cowboy shooting” on a whim by going to a shoot with a buddy and fell into it 15 years ago and can’t seem to quit… I can’t really explain the natural tendency to put my finger in the guard on my SSA… but it somehow never seems to carry over to the semi autos or rifle shooting… there’s just some sort of a natural separation by muscle memory… can’t explain why, just is. Great Video Tuco! Keep ‘em come’n! 😎👍
Agreed completely! My finger never goes into the guard on my semi-autos unless I’m gonna pull the trigger, but instinctively goes into the guard on single-actions and the two never cross-pollinate.
This reminds me of how I was explaining to people how Alec Baldwin was most likely to be guilty. It takes a lot more deliberate manipulation of a single action than any other handgun to make it go bang.
It kind of reminds me of the fud lore with flintlocks that you should never prime before you load and I generally don't. Unless I'm shooting from a paper cartridge then I prime from the cartridge just as hundreds of thousands of soldiers did for over 300 years. People don't realize in order for that gun to go off on half cock it would have to either snap off the sear or it would have to strip off about an inch of steel around the tumbler Great video Tuco
I agree 💯. I don’t find a problem going back to semi autos keeping my finger out but with my single actions it just feels natural to grip it with my finger in
You don’t have to explain anything to anybody. I get the same bull crap from the potato heads on my channel. As you stated correctly sir. Most of these people have never even fired a SAA. They get all of their “gun knowledge “ from Call Of Duty. Keep up the good work man.
Finger in the trigger guard is totally and completely safe with a SAA. Actually (as you point out), it is necessary for the revolver to be functioning properly. If one cannot properly switch to finger out guard with a semi-auto, then stay away from handguns.
Hello TUCO, great topic, glad you covered it. If i may add one more advantage of the SAA, over the DA revolver and Semi Auto pistol, is in regards to weapon retention. As you stated It is impossible to fire the SAA when the hammer is down. As a retired LEO, one point that was taught in firearm retention scenarios, is that a person in fear will probably subconsciously squeeze the trigger finger when trying to keep control of the firearm so as to not having it wrestled away.. It was found that the trigger was being squeezed. We had an officer attacked, and the suspect severely dislocated the officer's trigger finger being it was positioned on the frame. If not for the security holster, he would have had his firearm taken away, and probably shot with it. I carry a SAA clone, and yes it definitely has a disadvantage, compared to DA revolvers and SA pistols. But in the realm of gun retention, and if need be using the SAA as an impact tool as Wyatt Earp did many times, i would venture his finger was on the trigger. I compare it to "Old West" pepper spray. Stay safe.
@@TUCOtherattI uploaded my practice run Tuco. I titled it “triple shot practice run” I’m still waiting for my new timer to deliver and get the numbers on film. Let me know what you think if you get a chance
Yes, Facts, It's very natural to keep my finger on the side of my modern pistols. It also feels very comfortable keeping my finger in the trigger guard on my SA's.
I just picked up my first SAA style gun and noticed the same thing you mentioned. I always practice good trigger discipline with semi-autos but with the SAA your finger just wants to go in there. I have to agree with everything you said.
Very informative and very useful to the untrained person on the SAA. It lends itself to place the finger in the trigger guard. It can't fire if you don't have the hammer pulled to full cock. You will never put your finger in the trigger gaud on your semi autos because you trained that way. Thank you for giving your thoughts and reasoning on this subject. I shoot both and feel the exact same as you do. When in Rome do as the Romans. I spin my revolver into the holster after shooting every time after expending all six rounds and my finger is always in the trigger guard. The hammer is what you watch for on a Colt or replica just as you stated!
Pah! This is easy to dismiss. Just grind off the trigger guard and then no one can question where you place your finger. It can't be a problem if it doesn't exist! 😊
I have always loved the sound of the leather creaking. I have grown up this rule with semi automatics. But with a single action I never put my finger outside the guard. We all have our own habits with our firearms. It comes with discipline and practice. I have a .44 Ruger Blackhawk that I use to take hunting as a backup when I use to hunt in bear country.
Awesome Video brother. Thank you! Love my SAAs but also train with my Semi Autos regularly as well bc of my LE affiliation. I see both points, but I'm inclined to agree with you Sir.
I agree with all youve said and I honestly do the same. I do take care when I draw, cock the hammer out of the holster to avoid issues but all in all. I am the same way with semi-autos and my SAAs. Its a good thing tho that you provide these videos for folks that are learning etc. so as always my friend. Great job. Im sure there are many many of your followers that are appreciative of you.
Now I have heard of historical accounts of triggers being tied back on single action pistols and carried that way, way back when. Not that I am saying that's a good idea, but I heard of it.
Thanks for the videos, I met a bunch of cowboy action guys at the TSRA annual meeting and I love it. Might have to check out a match, they look like a good time.
Yup, I was taught by my great uncle in 1958, on how to use a SAA. Being an old school lawman and bounty hunter, he wasn't a stranger to armed conflicts. Both my father, and his brother were peace officers that carried DA revolvers. Often those two would train together with their weapons. One day they were doing rapid fire, and old uncle Leo was watching them, with his old 45 Colt SAA in his holster. When they were empty, Leo stepped up to the line. He unholstered his 45 and tied back the trigger with a small piece of leather. Then he leveled the weapon at the target, and opened fire. It sounded like a gattling gun! Holding the weapon in his right hand, he supported it with his left. He was thumbing the hammer with his left so fast that I couldn't track his movement standing a few feet away. He turned around and smiled, removing the leather from the trigger, and unloaded the weapon. Looking up at his two nephews he simply said "That's called ' Slip gunning '. " He then reloaded his weapon and holstered it without another word. My father and uncle just nodded, and my great uncle Leo looked at me and winked with a slight grin. I learned much from his knowledge over the years.
@@TUCOtheratt Yes sir, Uncle Leo was an absolute master of the SAA. He taught me to shoot, reload with his Ideal 310 tools, and how to deal with life as a peace officer. I did follow in the footsteps of him, my father, and other family members. He was a great influence on my life. And one of the last old gunfighters in the dying days of the old west. I always paid attention when he spoke.
That is part of the reason I prefer hammer fired double single action firearms. I started with single action. Moved to double/single revolvers, then shifted to striker fired. Crazy part is that I prefer a revolver because of the level of control you have and the comfort of the grips.
As someone who’s never operated a Single action army revolver, but has operated and trained on bolt action rifles for over 16 year. I completely understand where you are coming from, it’s actually quite similar the SAA and most bolt action rifles with minor differences. For example: with a bolt action rifle unless the bolt has been activated ( cycling the bolt which sets the firing pin) there’s no chance of firing the rifle and you can rest easy knowing that no matter how much you pull the trigger there will not be a discharge. Now let’s say you want a round chambered but you do not want the firing pin set, simply hold the trigger while cycling the bolt(not do not slam the bolt into position discharge can occur ) and do it gently, once round is chambered simply let go of the trigger. Now you have a round chambered but the firing pin isn’t set. At this point you can simply lift the bolt up( without cycling it?) and bring it back down to enable a hot firing pin. I found this video very interesting because of some of the similarities between bolt action rifles and the SAA. But yes it’s very important to always exercise good trigger discipline even if your using a firearm that that doesn’t necessarily need that kind of attention. Because like you said complacency can get you hurt or killed. Thank you for going over this subject I’m pretty sure those watching that are new to the gun world learned something valuable. Also important to note. When reloading a bolt action if you have an internal magazine to keep from chambering a round simply use your thumb the press the last round down as you close the bolt and have the trigger squeezed you will have full magazine and an empty chamber and no firing pin set. Or you can chamber the last round loaded in but squeeze the trigger as you gently chamber chamber the round. To make sure your firing pin is not set. But always set the safety just in case. Even tho most bolt actions won’t allow the safety to be set if the firing pin isn’t charged. That is all. Good video.
That's an interesting concept- it's both the safest action and the least safe action there is. In almost all situations of carry the there is no danger with the trigger. I'm sure there was never any discussion about finger in the trigger guard because it was not a problem unless the hammer was cocked and if the hammer was cocked you were about to shoot. But on the other hand if you don't know to load the gun with an empty chamber under the hammer it can become the most dangerous mechanism.
The reason I keep my index finger off the trigger with my single action is because I carry a compact simi auto for concealed carry and don’t want to get out of the habit.
Thank you for the safety lesson if more people were safety-conscious we would have a lot less accidents in my opinion Safety First all the time to protect others and yourself thanks again keep the videos coming
There's one more function of the trigger with the SAA. It also engages the safety notch on the hammer, which lifts the firing pin off the primer of the cartridge in line with the bore. Some people decry it's use because of the remote chance of the trigger sear breaking if the gun is dropped, which could happen. I've used the safety notch on my SAA revolvers for decades without any trouble. Anyway, that's function number 5.
I equate that to driving with a clutch or an automatic. I'm a left foot braker with autos, but right foot with clutch, I have both kinds of cars and seamlessly switch without ever having a problem or even thinking about it. I also have semiauto guns which I carry, and love my SAA, but there again, I never have a problem knowing which "compartment" I am in at the time.
I notice you have new lumber back there for your new scenery and town setup you are building. I would just like to let you know, if you have the opportunity around you with the bigger manufacturing places or wherever they get pallets. But pallet wood is great for that type of stuff, and you can save a lot. I'm not sure if budget is an issue but compared to new lumber, it saves a loooot. A little more work , gotta break em down, cut off the ends with screws, but that is easy enough. Burns good for wood in winter, too. Plus the nicer pallets have a little aged look them already, if that would add to the atmosphere. You can get 12 foot pallets too, for big sheets of metal rolls. You probably have seen that. Either way, looks super cool so far. Glad you're able to do this type of thing, I already love the content it is bringing. You have a good day, sir
Thanks for the nice comment. The lumber has been expensive. I have been using green rough cut ranch lumber so it's a bit cheaper but still quite high priced. I might us pallets for some of the extra stuff like a wooden fence here and there.
I find it funny when people look at a _real_ single action holster and mention it is unsafe since the trigger is not covered... They don't seem to understand the fact that your grip coming out of that holster includes your finger being placed inside the trigger guard. Finger on trigger IS the grip. Actually the first part of your hand coming out of that holster should be your fingertip touching the trigger, then the rest of the grip develops from there. Using a single action with a holster covering the trigger actually will prohibit you from developing a real effective draw, especially if you are carrying it for self defense. I will stick my nose out and say that a single action carry holster for self defense that covers the trigger is dangerous. You will never learn to develop an effective grip and a draw to put accurate and rapid shots on target with a single action holster that covers the trigger.
It's harder to concol a SAA with your finger out of the trigger guard. A habit I have with my SAA revolvers is I press my finger aginst the front of the trigger guard as I draw to rotate the revolver down range as I cock the weapon. I was tought this by my dad over 50 yrs ago. It is safe for me since cooking the revolver with my thumb is a similar movement as taking the safty off a cocked and locked 1911 also single action.
Different guns require different manual of arms. I imagine in the old days that some of the tenants of firearms safety would have been different like leaving an empty chamber under a hammer, or not putting your thumb on the hammer unless you're ready to shoot(which might have saved a certain cinematographer working with Alec Baldwin). Even further back in history you had to put your hand over the barrel to load a muzzle loader, which would be a major "no-no" in modern times. Imagine the "smart" people telling someone with an open-bolt gun to keep the bolt open to make it "safe," when that would be the least safe position for the gun to be in. So what matters is understanding the tool and its appropriate manual of arms. It annoys me when people get all hot and bothered about this stuff because it shows a lack of understanding of the tool and why things are done the way they are. It's no different than the marine telling me I'm shooting wrong at a gun range because I don't put my nose to the charging handle, or someone else telling me that .357 isn't enough to take a deer, or that the AR-15 shouldn't have a forward assist; for whatever reason the firearms community is full of people who will happily parrot what someone else said; There's a lot of just factually wrong information out there and loud opinions from the least experienced people.
I am not experienced with the sa Army, but very much so with double action revolvers, even though I grew up with the 1911....A family thingfrom the mountains of Mexico. Its funny you brought this up, because I realised this 'thing' while drooling over beautiful shiny single actions....I have trained too much, and now have age-damage issues that made me realise, I better keep it simple, and will not going to go the direction....Though a simple old style for cowboy dressup,..... maybe... The subject of finger off the trigger should be NUMBER ONE, but its usually barely mentioned by trainers.
While I have no doubt that using single actions more than any other firearm has ingrained some bad habits, I also am the first person to generally tell people to ignore what I do with a single action, and treat it like any other firearm they would handle. For me the single action is more than a semi auto or double action gun. I agree that with firearms with a single purpose trigger, that trigger discipline should be maintained. But with single action the trigger is kind of like your gas and brakes on a car, without them you can't properly operate a motor vehicle. And without proper training on these somewhat antique firearm designs all safety measures should be maintained. But for those of us that understand these designs and use them for sport and utility, some caveats should be considered. As you mentioned holding the trigger is necessary for firing, bringing the weapon to a "safe" status, decocking the weapon after loading, and fanning the hammer. But on a branch from fanning, the trigger is also required for almost every type of fast draw, and thumb cocking in cowboy action. Even a quick look at fast draw groups will make evident that the sport has largely moved to thumb firing once the holster is cleared. This means that they draw their weapon with their finger on the trigger and the trigger depressed. Cowboy action shooters often fire one pistol with two hands one hand holding the firearm and depressing the trigger while the off hand thumbs the hammer. Never mind that fast draw uses wax bullets and cowboy action pulls from a table and is pointed downrange when shooting commences, it still breaks this cardinal rule. I have been shooting single action guns consistently for over a decade now, and I'm not gonna stop using the trigger as it was intended, as single actions aren't the only firearm I have that forces you to break some rules to use correctly. I also have a matchlock .72 caliber musket with a lever trigger that pretty much requires you to break a bunch of rules to use correctly and safely. And I guess some people are just gonna have to whine about it.
In my opinion it doesn’t matter at all. It doesn’t fire without pulling the hammer back. Simple as that. As long as that hammer is down you can pull that trigger all day long, spin the gun, do whatever it’s not gonna go off unless you bump it on something REALLY hard
I wish I had a dollar for every time I had some know it all tell me how something I was doing WASNT BEING DONE RIGHT. They love showing how masterful they are on the Forums and especially at gun shows, to "school" people who never asked for the lesson. Dont sweat it, you do far more for the gun community than the people running their mouths at you.
One thing i do with my carry revolver which is double action, or most of my carry pistols, glock, m&p and 1911 not withstanding, is i slide my finger back behind the trigger as an added safety. Cant so so on the other three guns so i just lay my finger along the alide like normal, single action army i do the same cause once again i cant put my finger behind the trigger. Maybe thats not safe putting my finger behind the trigger but i come from the back forward until i touch the back of the trigger, not the fron backwards which could set it off.
I think the same thing you’re talking about, also applies to a certain extent to a lever action, as you have to put your finger on the trigger to lower the hammer to half cock
Having competed with a 1911 and now starting to handle a SAA with the aim of getting into cowboy action, it was very awkward for me to put my finger on the trigger when I wasn't ready to shoot, in preparation for my weak hand to thumb slip the hammer and fire. The alternative of quickly cocking the SAA with the strong hand thumb and then pulling the trigger seems a little dangerous to me as there is no clear line between that and a fast draw. But I don't hear anyone talk about that.
The people who complain about putting a finger inside the trigger guard on single actions are the ones who have never shot one or never shot one consistently. I can switch back and forth between just like you. it is kinda like going back and forth between a manual transmission and an automatic transmission. I agree that it may become a bad habit for some.
Great presentation👍 Thank You I take great care to have my finger Outside the trigger guard on my single actions whenever drawing the hammer back to full cock, as it is too easy to have a unintended discharge if the finger is even slightly against trigger and the hammer slips from the thumb. I guess you could call it an unintentional fan DJ
Great video as always. I remember in previous videos you said that you had personally done your race guns - but do you do you have any recommended smiths who do the same?
Excellent discussion. Modern safety rules reflect modern pistol designs. One could use your reasoning with the 1911 and the excellent thumb safety design and location. Old WWII training videos with the 1911 show the trigger finger on trigger and using the safety to activate the trigger to shoot and engaging the safety to render the gun safe. We, Americans, are spoiled with gun choices. If one trains with a variety of gun designs one should keep the safest trigger finger placement, however, if we only had the 1911, I wonder if the modern trigger finger off the trigger would be the standard…? Of course, these are just opinions and everyone has one…
One thing I would like is your thoughts on the double action revolver. That is a different breed than the SAA and the semiautomatic. I never have my finger in the trigger guard as the trigger cocks the hammer and breaks the shot.
Yes, never have your finger in the trigger guard unnecessarily with a DA revolver. Personally, I have never owned one they are just too slow. PS: Thanks for the sub man!
The main factor is practice and experience. I'm old fashioned and I don't particularly care for firearms which don't have a manual saftey. My personal training was the saftey comes off as soon as the weapon is pointed down range. That's my muscle memory. So even if I F up and my finger slips into the trigger gaurd the weapon is still safe. My biggest saftey is that I keep myself just a little paranoid about making a mistake. I never thought about it with single action, but, thinking back when I owned one with a western holster ... Yup ... always had my finger in the trigger gaurd. Remembering I was a kid so I was perfecting a draw and a siingle fan. Id draw to my off hand to cock and fire. I could never get used to cocking on the draw.
@@TUCOtheratt I bought my first gun for myself on my 18th birthday. I still have it and I just turned 68. I tell people "Practice Practice Practice, dry fire and shoot until you're bored. And with all this QCB Stuff everyone seems to be an expert on I tell people "The real gunfighters didn't worry about being the first to shoot, but, important to be tye last to shoot" calm and focused. I had a Hawes single action 5.5 inch in 45 LC. Doing the fast draw the way you do it is excellent for instinct shooting ... And ... Kinda cool.
Hey Tuco, do you know the Quick and The Dead movie. I love how Dicaprio showcases the guns it's so satisfying to watch. Are they all real existing guns ?
@@TUCOtheratt Quick and the dead gunshop scene should you wish to see it. There is a Schofield with the trigger guard removed, it's saves drawing time but don't wear it while drunk or you kill your feet, lol
I love my SA, but I have caught myself with the finger in the trigger guard because I KNOW the gun won't go off without the hammer being pulled. So I'm trying not to do that anymore to build the proper muscle memory when I handle any other gun
I worked as an armed bodyguard in South Africa for several years. The whole “no finger in the trigger guard” is essentially correct for 99.9% of people. HOWEVER, people who actually live with their gun, weeeelll… I know special ops guys who also know their weapons like their own hand and in serious situations they do have the finger on the trigger even on semi autos. But these are guys who don’t panic even under fire and in any case are hyper aware of what their muzzle is pointed at. And ditto, if I am in a dark home with armed intruders wandering about, I’m unlikely to have my finger out of the guard. Of course, the problems begin when Joe-Bob thinks he’s an “operator” and then ends up shooting his own foot, backside, dog etc if not someone else, which is a lot worse.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 Complicated to explain in a YT text, nd I don't want "ninjas" to start doing this thinking they are now "operators". But in essence, mind-maps are consciously transferable after a certain level of mastery. I spent some 45 years receiving punches, kicks, sticks, whips and the occasional knife too to my body, mostly in hardcore training sessions that would literally be illegal in most of Europe and the US (the rules we had were, if you get knocked out you carry on when you get up, and you wipe up your own blood), some of those things were in real situations (including guys with guns coming at me) and so, over time, you learn to literally watch the punch, bad guy, whatever, even as it's coming at you, and/or ignore it, as required, while you do your thing, be it set him up, counter-strike, aim and fire while moving, whatever. Just like I never punched a little old lady for sneaking up behind me, I have never pulled a trigger without meaning to. I still did have one AD though. But I was 7, with a "rifle" that had a nail for a pin and sitting in the sun the metal expanded I think and the little rifle went off. It was pointing at the ground, safely though, so no one was hurt. If you are interested in this stuff I have a blog GFilotto dot com and a book on it.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 the book on this stuff is the Systema one though. Astronomy and geology of Mars doesn’t really help with guns. And they won’t give me a zap gun OR a spaceship, so…
Question can you do the triple shot or the quad shot using blanks in a revolver? I've never heard of it or done it myself before, but I'm curious because I want to practice this and actually accomplish being able to do the very things you do with the revolver. I find it very interesting and very educational
I train with so many guns and the single action army is the only one I have my finger in the trigger guard. No you probably shouldn't but I usually do have my finger in the trigger guard.i also dont care to much about the saftey nazis. I switch between semi auto and single action regularly I just make sure to be aware.
Hey Tuco what kind of holster setup do you have? Its a drop leg obviously but I've never seen one with belt straps around the leg? Seems like it would work better than a tie down. Id love something like that for my super blackhawk hunter. Did you have it custom made?
@TUCOtheratt, I have a question, can you fire a triple shot with a percussion revolver? I have a 1951 Colt Navy and I was wondering if I needed to buy the version that fires centerfire ammunition to make it possible
I don't think a tripleshot is possible with a cap and ball revolver. Even with a cartridge SAA the gun has to be customized by a gunsmith. See my "How A SAA Race Gun Works" Thanks
I'm glad (not proud) that I'm not the only one who catches himself with the finger,in the trigger guard on a single action. First handgun I ever owned,was a Colt new Frontier at 12 years old. That was in the mid 70s to those who are wondering. I got real good with that 4-3\4" barreled Colt. Ammo was inexpensive. And neighbors were few. I have quite the collection of More Rugers than Colts nowadays. And every now and then.....
@@TUCOtheratt side question, is thumb fanning a stock single action (Pietta 1873 great western 2) bad for the gun? And is attempting the triple shot as tou do on a stock gun damaging?
@TUCOtheratt Well see, that's the problem. Pietta makes them too good. I can't find them as a gunsmith special for anything. The two I mentioned were the only ones I could find as builds. 1 to improve my gunsmith skills and 2 to practice shooting without worrying about damaging a brand new gun. I was just curious if you'd ever had any hands-on time with those two.
@Really-Know I've built saa race guns out of one Uberti and 3 Piettas. The Uberti is the roughest, and my Piettas turned out the best. My advice is to start with the highest quality firearm you can afford. Many things can ruin your otherwise good work. Poorly tapped screw holes is a common one .
@TUCOtheratt Ah yes, I have an extensive tap and die set specifically for that reason. I just have a pension for getting oddities. And I agree, Uberti makes good stuff but their machining leaves sharp edges and burs that love to take a pound of flesh.
😂😅yeah or remove the trigger guard like they used to because this is your gun you probably won't get another one and you know it so well it's the best thing to do. They were fools but times were different and you depended on it more I suppose.
Well I've just watched Bob Munden shoot 2 shots at 2 separate balloons so fast they had to show what he was doing in slow motion. I'm curious to know but presumably it wasn't faked ? I can't believe what I'm seeing 🤣
Bru, I have about 9, stock single action Cowboys, colt, Ruger, Uberti, heritage, all stock,. Would any survive the fanning, or would they get beat up internally,??
They'd all get beat up very quickly. Ruger might take some gentle fanning but it's hard on them too. It's frustrating wanting a fanner. I messed around for 30 years before I learned to do my own by reverse engineering a SAA race gun I found used at the gun store a few years ago.
@@TUCOtheratt thanks brother, hopefully I'll come across one at a gun show sometime,,,,,I'm extremely unwastefull,,,,,it would bother me if I destroyed a 1k$ gun,,,,but a 200 dollar heritage would not be too bad,🤔😂👍
If you do an image search for "Elmer Keith with S&W 57s," you'll find the famous image of Elmer with the first two model 57s that rolled off the line (his new 41 Mag creation back in 1964). He's sitting there with his pipe and a 57 in each hand, with his fingers clearly on each trigger. I can't help but laugh if he were alive today and posted that image on RUclips he'd be excoriated by the trigger finger nannies. 😀. Elmer Keith...told how to handle guns by internet do-gooders. Ha!
You've obviously given this a lot thought. We humans are creatures of habit. I spent five years in the UK and when I arrived back here in the US - it still seemed PERFECTLY NORMAL to be driving down the left hand side of a road .............until ......I met someone going the other way ....oops. my bad. Eventually ......my brain adjusted back to driving in the US as well. I still watch Premier league football/soccer rather than American football. Sports traitor I guess. Don't tell anyone, but I actually like Cricket too.
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Personally I wouldn’t worry about what other people say , You’ve obviously trained and put enough time into both semi-autos and single actions to know what your going to instinctively do.. It’s similar to the two handed grip on a a semi with thumbs forward compared to thumbs tucked down with revolvers, You will automatically switch to the correct grip if you’re trained enough.
....there are some 'block head's out there, hangi'n around Tuco's Bar that.....well.... Ma 'mans got that.
@@peterruiz6117 yeah never know what's. Lil buddy would do ?
I’ve been shooting semi autos for so long… the first issued weapon I had in the military was a 1911… I spent many years as an advanced pistol tactics instructor for special missions groups, Navy MA’s, Air Force security units and Coastguard port security… I started “cowboy shooting” on a whim by going to a shoot with a buddy and fell into it 15 years ago and can’t seem to quit… I can’t really explain the natural tendency to put my finger in the guard on my SSA… but it somehow never seems to carry over to the semi autos or rifle shooting… there’s just some sort of a natural separation by muscle memory… can’t explain why, just is.
Great Video Tuco! Keep ‘em come’n! 😎👍
Thanks for your service and the nice comments 😃
Agreed completely! My finger never goes into the guard on my semi-autos unless I’m gonna pull the trigger, but instinctively goes into the guard on single-actions and the two never cross-pollinate.
This reminds me of how I was explaining to people how Alec Baldwin was most likely to be guilty. It takes a lot more deliberate manipulation of a single action than any other handgun to make it go bang.
It kind of reminds me of the fud lore with flintlocks that you should never prime before you load and I generally don't. Unless I'm shooting from a paper cartridge then I prime from the cartridge just as hundreds of thousands of soldiers did for over 300 years. People don't realize in order for that gun to go off on half cock it would have to either snap off the sear or it would have to strip off about an inch of steel around the tumbler
Great video Tuco
Thank you!
Unfortunately the internet, especially anything related to guns, is full of low information/experience high opinion posters.
This is exactly correct. 🤠
I agree 💯. I don’t find a problem going back to semi autos keeping my finger out but with my single actions it just feels natural to grip it with my finger in
You don’t have to explain anything to anybody. I get the same bull crap from the potato heads on my channel. As you stated correctly sir. Most of these people have never even fired a SAA. They get all of their “gun knowledge “ from Call Of Duty. Keep up the good work man.
Finger in the trigger guard is totally and completely safe with a SAA. Actually (as you point out), it is necessary for the revolver to be functioning properly. If one cannot properly switch to finger out guard with a semi-auto, then stay away from handguns.
Hello TUCO, great topic, glad you covered it. If i may add one more advantage of the SAA, over the DA revolver and Semi Auto pistol, is in regards to weapon retention. As you stated It is impossible to fire the SAA when the hammer is down. As a retired LEO, one point that was taught in firearm retention scenarios, is that a person in fear will probably subconsciously squeeze the trigger finger when trying to keep control of the firearm so as to not having it wrestled away.. It was found that the trigger was being squeezed. We had an officer attacked, and the suspect severely dislocated the officer's trigger finger being it was positioned on the frame. If not for the security holster, he would have had his firearm taken away, and probably shot with it. I carry a SAA clone, and yes it definitely has a disadvantage, compared to DA revolvers and SA pistols. But in the realm of gun retention, and if need be using the SAA as an impact tool as Wyatt Earp did many times, i would venture his finger was on the trigger. I compare it to "Old West" pepper spray. Stay safe.
Very...well said.
@@TUCOtherattI uploaded my practice run Tuco. I titled it “triple shot practice run” I’m still waiting for my new timer to deliver and get the numbers on film. Let me know what you think if you get a chance
@@danielrichards4927 I just checked it out and commented. Thanks!👍
Yes, Facts, It's very natural to keep my finger on the side of my modern pistols. It also feels very comfortable keeping my finger in the trigger guard on my SA's.
I just picked up my first SAA style gun and noticed the same thing you mentioned. I always practice good trigger discipline with semi-autos but with the SAA your finger just wants to go in there. I have to agree with everything you said.
Very informative and very useful to the untrained person on the SAA. It lends itself to place the finger in the trigger guard. It can't fire if you don't have the hammer pulled to full cock. You will never put your finger in the trigger gaud on your semi autos because you trained that way. Thank you for giving your thoughts and reasoning on this subject. I shoot both and feel the exact same as you do. When in Rome do as the Romans. I spin my revolver into the holster after shooting every time after expending all six rounds and my finger is always in the trigger guard. The hammer is what you watch for on a Colt or replica just as you stated!
Safety first. Two cents is worth $$$.
Pah! This is easy to dismiss. Just grind off the trigger guard and then no one can question where you place your finger.
It can't be a problem if it doesn't exist! 😊
Good stuff man, and good points. Appreciate you taking the time to make these videos 👍
Glad you like them!
It’s called “thinning of the herd”. 😂
I have always loved the sound of the leather creaking.
I have grown up this rule with semi automatics. But with a single action I never put my finger outside the guard.
We all have our own habits with our firearms. It comes with discipline and practice. I have a .44
Ruger Blackhawk that I use to take hunting as a backup when I use to hunt in bear country.
I caught that sound too when he sat down... same feeling I had too.
Thanks for your insight and knowledge of this, very much appreciated 👍
Awesome Video brother. Thank you! Love my SAAs but also train with my Semi Autos regularly as well bc of my LE affiliation. I see both points, but I'm inclined to agree with you Sir.
Keeping doing the great work you do
Keep it up cowboy
Great info thank keep up the good work we enjoy all your videos
Thanks, will do!
That thing sure has a sweet action on it 👍🏽
Thanks! It does if I do say so myself.
I agree with all youve said and I honestly do the same. I do take care when I draw, cock the hammer out of the holster to avoid issues but all in all. I am the same way with semi-autos and my SAAs.
Its a good thing tho that you provide these videos for folks that are learning etc. so as always my friend. Great job. Im sure there are many many of your followers that are appreciative of you.
Thanks for the nice comment my friend.
Tuco you’re awesome man. I hope you keep on making these cool vids man.
Thanks! Will do!
Thanks for telling it like it is. The honesty is obvious.
Now I have heard of historical accounts of triggers being tied back on single action pistols and carried that way, way back when. Not that I am saying that's a good idea, but I heard of it.
I have read that too. They did that to slip thumb faster if a guy was a real expert you could shoot fast like that.
Thanks for the videos, I met a bunch of cowboy action guys at the TSRA annual meeting and I love it. Might have to check out a match, they look like a good time.
Yup, I was taught by my great uncle in 1958, on how to use a SAA. Being an old school lawman and bounty hunter, he wasn't a stranger to armed conflicts. Both my father, and his brother were peace officers that carried DA revolvers. Often those two would train together with their weapons.
One day they were doing rapid fire, and old uncle Leo was watching them, with his old 45 Colt SAA in his holster. When they were empty, Leo stepped up to the line. He unholstered his 45 and tied back the trigger with a small piece of leather. Then he leveled the weapon at the target, and opened fire. It sounded like a gattling gun! Holding the weapon in his right hand, he supported it with his left. He was thumbing the hammer with his left so fast that I couldn't track his movement standing a few feet away. He turned around and smiled, removing the leather from the trigger, and unloaded the weapon. Looking up at his two nephews he simply said "That's called ' Slip gunning '. " He then reloaded his weapon and holstered it without another word. My father and uncle just nodded, and my great uncle Leo looked at me and winked with a slight grin. I learned much from his knowledge over the years.
@@anangryranger That's a great story. Thanks for sharing!😀
@@TUCOtheratt Yes sir, Uncle Leo was an absolute master of the SAA. He taught me to shoot, reload with his Ideal 310 tools, and how to deal with life as a peace officer. I did follow in the footsteps of him, my father, and other family members. He was a great influence on my life. And one of the last old gunfighters in the dying days of the old west. I always paid attention when he spoke.
I do respect what you do , it reminds us how it was 😊
Great point good job explaining it 👍
Love the guns great collection
That is part of the reason I prefer hammer fired double single action firearms. I started with single action. Moved to double/single revolvers, then shifted to striker fired. Crazy part is that I prefer a revolver because of the level of control you have and the comfort of the grips.
That's why I chose to learn from you. Great video Master Gunfighter Tuco.
I appreciate that, thanks man!
As someone who’s never operated a Single action army revolver, but has operated and trained on bolt action rifles for over 16 year. I completely understand where you are coming from, it’s actually quite similar the SAA and most bolt action rifles with minor differences.
For example: with a bolt action rifle unless the bolt has been activated ( cycling the bolt which sets the firing pin) there’s no chance of firing the rifle and you can rest easy knowing that no matter how much you pull the trigger there will not be a discharge.
Now let’s say you want a round chambered but you do not want the firing pin set, simply hold the trigger while cycling the bolt(not do not slam the bolt into position discharge can occur ) and do it gently, once round is chambered simply let go of the trigger. Now you have a round chambered but the firing pin isn’t set. At this point you can simply lift the bolt up( without cycling it?) and bring it back down to enable a hot firing pin.
I found this video very interesting because of some of the similarities between bolt action rifles and the SAA.
But yes it’s very important to always exercise good trigger discipline even if your using a firearm that that doesn’t necessarily need that kind of attention. Because like you said complacency can get you hurt or killed.
Thank you for going over this subject I’m pretty sure those watching that are new to the gun world learned something valuable.
Also important to note. When reloading a bolt action if you have an internal magazine to keep from chambering a round simply use your thumb the press the last round down as you close the bolt and have the trigger squeezed you will have full magazine and an empty chamber and no firing pin set.
Or you can chamber the last round loaded in but squeeze the trigger as you gently chamber chamber the round. To make sure your firing pin is not set. But always set the safety just in case. Even tho most bolt actions won’t allow the safety to be set if the firing pin isn’t charged.
That is all. Good video.
Thanks for watching and the nice comment!
Did not know all this about single action revolvers. Thanks!
Good stuff,thanks👍
Thank you for this great discussion. I never really thought of the hammer becoming the new trigger.
Very welcome!
Commenting for the algorithm. You’re badass dude. Love the videos.
I appreciate that! Thanks!
Very important safety rules If you handle guns
I’ve had very similar debates with myself lol thx for sharing
That's an interesting concept- it's both the safest action and the least safe action there is. In almost all situations of carry the there is no danger with the trigger. I'm sure there was never any discussion about finger in the trigger guard because it was not a problem unless the hammer was cocked and if the hammer was cocked you were about to shoot. But on the other hand if you don't know to load the gun with an empty chamber under the hammer it can become the most dangerous mechanism.
The reason I keep my index finger off the trigger with my single action is because I carry a compact simi auto for concealed carry and don’t want to get out of the habit.
That's a great policy!
Thank you for the safety lesson if more people were safety-conscious we would have a lot less accidents in my opinion Safety First all the time to protect others and yourself thanks again keep the videos coming
There's one more function of the trigger with the SAA. It also engages the safety notch on the hammer, which lifts the firing pin off the primer of the cartridge in line with the bore. Some people decry it's use because of the remote chance of the trigger sear breaking if the gun is dropped, which could happen. I've used the safety notch on my SAA revolvers for decades without any trouble. Anyway, that's function number 5.
Well said.😃
I equate that to driving with a clutch or an automatic. I'm a left foot braker with autos, but right foot with clutch, I have both kinds of cars and seamlessly switch without ever having a problem or even thinking about it. I also have semiauto guns which I carry, and love my SAA, but there again, I never have a problem knowing which "compartment" I am in at the time.
I notice you have new lumber back there for your new scenery and town setup you are building. I would just like to let you know, if you have the opportunity around you with the bigger manufacturing places or wherever they get pallets. But pallet wood is great for that type of stuff, and you can save a lot. I'm not sure if budget is an issue but compared to new lumber, it saves a loooot. A little more work , gotta break em down, cut off the ends with screws, but that is easy enough. Burns good for wood in winter, too. Plus the nicer pallets have a little aged look them already, if that would add to the atmosphere. You can get 12 foot pallets too, for big sheets of metal rolls. You probably have seen that. Either way, looks super cool so far. Glad you're able to do this type of thing, I already love the content it is bringing. You have a good day, sir
Thanks for the nice comment. The lumber has been expensive. I have been using green rough cut ranch lumber so it's a bit cheaper but still quite high priced. I might us pallets for some of the extra stuff like a wooden fence here and there.
Nice vid Tuco
I find it funny when people look at a _real_ single action holster and mention it is unsafe since the trigger is not covered... They don't seem to understand the fact that your grip coming out of that holster includes your finger being placed inside the trigger guard. Finger on trigger IS the grip. Actually the first part of your hand coming out of that holster should be your fingertip touching the trigger, then the rest of the grip develops from there.
Using a single action with a holster covering the trigger actually will prohibit you from developing a real effective draw, especially if you are carrying it for self defense. I will stick my nose out and say that a single action carry holster for self defense that covers the trigger is dangerous. You will never learn to develop an effective grip and a draw to put accurate and rapid shots on target with a single action holster that covers the trigger.
I see you have handled the SAA quite a bit, thanks for watching!
I agree. I’m in the same boat. I get the same comments. They have Dunning-kruger affect.
It's harder to concol a SAA with your finger out of the trigger guard. A habit I have with my SAA revolvers is I press my finger aginst the front of the trigger guard as I draw to rotate the revolver down range as I cock the weapon. I was tought this by my dad over 50 yrs ago. It is safe for me since cooking the revolver with my thumb is a similar movement as taking the safty off a cocked and locked 1911 also single action.
👍 some people can't wait to criticize. You know what you're doing!
Different guns require different manual of arms. I imagine in the old days that some of the tenants of firearms safety would have been different like leaving an empty chamber under a hammer, or not putting your thumb on the hammer unless you're ready to shoot(which might have saved a certain cinematographer working with Alec Baldwin). Even further back in history you had to put your hand over the barrel to load a muzzle loader, which would be a major "no-no" in modern times. Imagine the "smart" people telling someone with an open-bolt gun to keep the bolt open to make it "safe," when that would be the least safe position for the gun to be in. So what matters is understanding the tool and its appropriate manual of arms. It annoys me when people get all hot and bothered about this stuff because it shows a lack of understanding of the tool and why things are done the way they are. It's no different than the marine telling me I'm shooting wrong at a gun range because I don't put my nose to the charging handle, or someone else telling me that .357 isn't enough to take a deer, or that the AR-15 shouldn't have a forward assist; for whatever reason the firearms community is full of people who will happily parrot what someone else said; There's a lot of just factually wrong information out there and loud opinions from the least experienced people.
Well said.
I am not experienced with the sa Army, but very much so with double action revolvers, even though I grew up with the 1911....A family thingfrom the mountains of Mexico. Its funny you brought this up, because I realised this 'thing' while drooling over beautiful shiny single actions....I have trained too much, and now have age-damage issues that made me realise, I better keep it simple, and will not going to go the direction....Though a simple old style for cowboy dressup,..... maybe...
The subject of finger off the trigger should be NUMBER ONE, but its usually barely mentioned by trainers.
Well said.
While I have no doubt that using single actions more than any other firearm has ingrained some bad habits, I also am the first person to generally tell people to ignore what I do with a single action, and treat it like any other firearm they would handle.
For me the single action is more than a semi auto or double action gun. I agree that with firearms with a single purpose trigger, that trigger discipline should be maintained. But with single action the trigger is kind of like your gas and brakes on a car, without them you can't properly operate a motor vehicle.
And without proper training on these somewhat antique firearm designs all safety measures should be maintained. But for those of us that understand these designs and use them for sport and utility, some caveats should be considered. As you mentioned holding the trigger is necessary for firing, bringing the weapon to a "safe" status, decocking the weapon after loading, and fanning the hammer. But on a branch from fanning, the trigger is also required for almost every type of fast draw, and thumb cocking in cowboy action. Even a quick look at fast draw groups will make evident that the sport has largely moved to thumb firing once the holster is cleared. This means that they draw their weapon with their finger on the trigger and the trigger depressed. Cowboy action shooters often fire one pistol with two hands one hand holding the firearm and depressing the trigger while the off hand thumbs the hammer. Never mind that fast draw uses wax bullets and cowboy action pulls from a table and is pointed downrange when shooting commences, it still breaks this cardinal rule.
I have been shooting single action guns consistently for over a decade now, and I'm not gonna stop using the trigger as it was intended, as single actions aren't the only firearm I have that forces you to break some rules to use correctly. I also have a matchlock .72 caliber musket with a lever trigger that pretty much requires you to break a bunch of rules to use correctly and safely. And I guess some people are just gonna have to whine about it.
Well said my fellow firearms aficionado!
Love your videos! Has anyone ever told you that you somewhat 'resemble' Richard Rawlings ?
Thanks. No no one's has ever told me that.
In my opinion it doesn’t matter at all. It doesn’t fire without pulling the hammer back. Simple as that. As long as that hammer is down you can pull that trigger all day long, spin the gun, do whatever it’s not gonna go off unless you bump it on something REALLY hard
New fan here 🙋🏻♂️ 🤠
Hello! And welcome to my channel!
I wish I had a dollar for every time I had some know it all tell me how something I was doing WASNT BEING DONE RIGHT. They love showing how masterful they are on the Forums and especially at gun shows, to "school" people who never asked for the lesson. Dont sweat it, you do far more for the gun community than the people running their mouths at you.
Like wise good sir! 🤙🦅🦅🖖
One thing i do with my carry revolver which is double action, or most of my carry pistols, glock, m&p and 1911 not withstanding, is i slide my finger back behind the trigger as an added safety. Cant so so on the other three guns so i just lay my finger along the alide like normal, single action army i do the same cause once again i cant put my finger behind the trigger. Maybe thats not safe putting my finger behind the trigger but i come from the back forward until i touch the back of the trigger, not the fron backwards which could set it off.
Pretty early for an upload, eh TUCO ?
Trigger discipline is always important 👌
I think the same thing you’re talking about, also applies to a certain extent to a lever action, as you have to put your finger on the trigger to lower the hammer to half cock
Well said my friend!
I’ve always handled them like this too.
Having competed with a 1911 and now starting to handle a SAA with the aim of getting into cowboy action, it was very awkward for me to put my finger on the trigger when I wasn't ready to shoot, in preparation for my weak hand to thumb slip the hammer and fire. The alternative of quickly cocking the SAA with the strong hand thumb and then pulling the trigger seems a little dangerous to me as there is no clear line between that and a fast draw. But I don't hear anyone talk about that.
Good points. Handling a SAA is a little awkward at first it will get better over time. Glad to hear you are being safe.
The people who complain about putting a finger inside the trigger guard on single actions are the ones who have never shot one or never shot one consistently. I can switch back and forth between just like you. it is kinda like going back and forth between a manual transmission and an automatic transmission. I agree that it may become a bad habit for some.
You always try to exercise safety with firearms as a top priority. Thanks for setting a good example.
Thanks you for the nice comment cutie!
Great presentation👍 Thank You I take great care to have my finger Outside the trigger guard on my single actions whenever drawing the hammer back to full cock, as it is too easy to have a unintended discharge if the finger is even slightly against trigger and the hammer slips from the thumb. I guess you could call it an unintentional fan DJ
Great video as always.
I remember in previous videos you said that you had personally done your race guns - but do you do you have any recommended smiths who do the same?
YT is so touchy about such discussions.
interesting.
Excellent discussion. Modern safety rules reflect modern pistol designs. One could use your reasoning with the 1911 and the excellent thumb safety design and location. Old WWII training videos with the 1911 show the trigger finger on trigger and using the safety to activate the trigger to shoot and engaging the safety to render the gun safe. We, Americans, are spoiled with gun choices. If one trains with a variety of gun designs one should keep the safest trigger finger placement, however, if we only had the 1911, I wonder if the modern trigger finger off the trigger would be the standard…? Of course, these are just opinions and everyone has one…
Very... well said my friend.
One thing I would like is your thoughts on the double action revolver. That is a different breed than the SAA and the semiautomatic. I never have my finger in the trigger guard as the trigger cocks the hammer and breaks the shot.
Yes, never have your finger in the trigger guard unnecessarily with a DA revolver. Personally, I have never owned one they are just too slow. PS: Thanks for the sub man!
My great great grandfather was a fast gun in Wyoming I still have his peacemaker 😂
That's awesome man you should tell his story!
Often times you’ll find that the biggest safety police on here don’t handle guns very much at all if ever.
The main factor is practice and experience. I'm old fashioned and I don't particularly care for firearms which don't have a manual saftey. My personal training was the saftey comes off as soon as the weapon is pointed down range. That's my muscle memory. So even if I F up and my finger slips into the trigger gaurd the weapon is still safe. My biggest saftey is that I keep myself just a little paranoid about making a mistake. I never thought about it with single action, but, thinking back when I owned one with a western holster ... Yup ... always had my finger in the trigger gaurd. Remembering I was a kid so I was perfecting a draw and a siingle fan. Id draw to my off hand to cock and fire. I could never get used to cocking on the draw.
Thanks for sharing a classic experience. The new crowd doesn't know up from down with guns.
@@TUCOtheratt I bought my first gun for myself on my 18th birthday. I still have it and I just turned 68. I tell people "Practice Practice Practice, dry fire and shoot until you're bored. And with all this QCB Stuff everyone seems to be an expert on I tell people "The real gunfighters didn't worry about being the first to shoot, but, important to be tye last to shoot" calm and focused. I had a Hawes single action 5.5 inch in 45 LC. Doing the fast draw the way you do it is excellent for instinct shooting ... And ... Kinda cool.
I guess the problem is muscle memory. Bad habits and stuff.
Great information brother! Hey I also have a single action 22 army, could I start with it and work my way up ?
Certainly. I started out shooting a Ruger Single Six.
Hey Tuco, do you know the Quick and The Dead movie. I love how Dicaprio showcases the guns it's so satisfying to watch. Are they all real existing guns ?
I don't remember I'll have to watch it again.
@@TUCOtheratt Quick and the dead gunshop scene should you wish to see it. There is a Schofield with the trigger guard removed, it's saves drawing time but don't wear it while drunk or you kill your feet, lol
I love my SA, but I have caught myself with the finger in the trigger guard because I KNOW the gun won't go off without the hammer being pulled.
So I'm trying not to do that anymore to build the proper muscle memory when I handle any other gun
Well said and good policy!
I worked as an armed bodyguard in South Africa for several years. The whole “no finger in the trigger guard” is essentially correct for 99.9% of people. HOWEVER, people who actually live with their gun, weeeelll… I know special ops guys who also know their weapons like their own hand and in serious situations they do have the finger on the trigger even on semi autos. But these are guys who don’t panic even under fire and in any case are hyper aware of what their muzzle is pointed at. And ditto, if I am in a dark home with armed intruders wandering about, I’m unlikely to have my finger out of the guard. Of course, the problems begin when Joe-Bob thinks he’s an “operator” and then ends up shooting his own foot, backside, dog etc if not someone else, which is a lot worse.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 Complicated to explain in a YT text, nd I don't want "ninjas" to start doing this thinking they are now "operators". But in essence, mind-maps are consciously transferable after a certain level of mastery. I spent some 45 years receiving punches, kicks, sticks, whips and the occasional knife too to my body, mostly in hardcore training sessions that would literally be illegal in most of Europe and the US (the rules we had were, if you get knocked out you carry on when you get up, and you wipe up your own blood), some of those things were in real situations (including guys with guns coming at me) and so, over time, you learn to literally watch the punch, bad guy, whatever, even as it's coming at you, and/or ignore it, as required, while you do your thing, be it set him up, counter-strike, aim and fire while moving, whatever. Just like I never punched a little old lady for sneaking up behind me, I have never pulled a trigger without meaning to. I still did have one AD though. But I was 7, with a "rifle" that had a nail for a pin and sitting in the sun the metal expanded I think and the little rifle went off. It was pointing at the ground, safely though, so no one was hurt. If you are interested in this stuff I have a blog GFilotto dot com and a book on it.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 The Face on Mars, just one Face, but yes.
Well said!
@@rodvan-zeller6360 the book on this stuff is the Systema one though. Astronomy and geology of Mars doesn’t really help with guns. And they won’t give me a zap gun OR a spaceship, so…
iam total agree.....no triggerfinger ...nothing can happend ........................finger on trigger .....all bad things can happend
Question can you do the triple shot or the quad shot using blanks in a revolver? I've never heard of it or done it myself before, but I'm curious because I want to practice this and actually accomplish being able to do the very things you do with the revolver. I find it very interesting and very educational
In all my videos except 2 I am using blanks when doing the triple shot. I don't recommend trying it with live ammo.
You look like a young LEE VAN CLEEF 🐎
Ha Ha! Thanks!
Hey, Tuco, that’s a sweet leg rig. Any recommendations for an EDC holster for a SAA? And who made the one you’re wearing in this video?
Cheers, bud!
I wear a fast draw rig from Davis Leather. I don't edc a SAA
@@TUCOtheratt Appreciate it, bud!
I train with so many guns and the single action army is the only one I have my finger in the trigger guard. No you probably shouldn't but I usually do have my finger in the trigger guard.i also dont care to much about the saftey nazis. I switch between semi auto and single action regularly I just make sure to be aware.
Well said.
Hey Tuco what kind of holster setup do you have? Its a drop leg obviously but I've never seen one with belt straps around the leg? Seems like it would work better than a tie down. Id love something like that for my super blackhawk hunter. Did you have it custom made?
Yes that rig is a Davis leather speed rig. The double strap ties are very comfortable and work well.
@TUCOtheratt, I have a question, can you fire a triple shot with a percussion revolver? I have a 1951 Colt Navy and I was wondering if I needed to buy the version that fires centerfire ammunition to make it possible
I don't think a tripleshot is possible with a cap and ball revolver. Even with a cartridge SAA the gun has to be customized by a gunsmith. See my "How A SAA Race Gun Works" Thanks
I'm glad (not proud) that I'm not the only one who catches himself with the finger,in the trigger guard on a single action.
First handgun I ever owned,was a Colt new Frontier at 12 years old.
That was in the mid 70s to those who are wondering.
I got real good with that 4-3\4" barreled Colt.
Ammo was inexpensive.
And neighbors were few.
I have quite the collection of More Rugers than Colts nowadays.
And every now and then.....
👍Thanks for chiming in.
👍🏅👍
Tuco, you have a lot od Timber stacked up ? look like your heading for your own western town ??
Hopefully!
@@TUCOtheratt Great news, I have my hammer and nails, just wish I was 20 years younger. Have fun.
Can you please do a video or explain of how to uncock the gun when it is cocked on a live cartridge? If one decideds not to fire
I actually did that here with the demonstration of decocking. But ya I'll point that out later too. Thanks 😊
@@TUCOtheratt side question, is thumb fanning a stock single action (Pietta 1873 great western 2) bad for the gun? And is attempting the triple shot as tou do on a stock gun damaging?
@@kogechaos yes, fanning and triple shots are damaging to any stock single action revolver. See my video "How A SAA Race Gun Works" thanks
@@TUCOtheratt Thank you for info and putting in the time to respond. Is thumb fanning with low force okay? Like how they rapid shoot in CASS?
@kogechaos Yes how they do it in sass is OK for the gun. It's not hard on it like fanning
Taurus gaucho and heritage big bore, think they'd be any good? Found some parts kits for them and all I'd really need is a frame for either.
Pietta Great Western 2 SAA is the best. Only about $600.
@TUCOtheratt Well see, that's the problem. Pietta makes them too good. I can't find them as a gunsmith special for anything. The two I mentioned were the only ones I could find as builds. 1 to improve my gunsmith skills and 2 to practice shooting without worrying about damaging a brand new gun. I was just curious if you'd ever had any hands-on time with those two.
@Really-Know I've built saa race guns out of one Uberti and 3 Piettas. The Uberti is the roughest, and my Piettas turned out the best. My advice is to start with the highest quality firearm you can afford. Many things can ruin your otherwise good work. Poorly tapped screw holes is a common one .
@TUCOtheratt Ah yes, I have an extensive tap and die set specifically for that reason. I just have a pension for getting oddities. And I agree, Uberti makes good stuff but their machining leaves sharp edges and burs that love to take a pound of flesh.
Hey what revolver would you recommend i would like to get into this skill?
Pietta Great Western 2 is the Best!
😂😅yeah or remove the trigger guard like they used to because this is your gun you probably won't get another one and you know it so well it's the best thing to do. They were fools but times were different and you depended on it more I suppose.
I dont shoot around others. Not very sociable.
Well I've just watched Bob Munden shoot 2 shots at 2 separate balloons so fast they had to show what he was doing in slow motion.
I'm curious to know but presumably it wasn't faked ?
I can't believe what I'm seeing 🤣
What kind of ammunition do you use for SAA im new
Hand loaded to 140 power factor.
Bru, I have about 9, stock single action Cowboys, colt, Ruger, Uberti, heritage, all stock,. Would any survive the fanning, or would they get beat up internally,??
They'd all get beat up very quickly. Ruger might take some gentle fanning but it's hard on them too. It's frustrating wanting a fanner. I messed around for 30 years before I learned to do my own by reverse engineering a SAA race gun I found used at the gun store a few years ago.
@@TUCOtheratt thanks brother, hopefully I'll come across one at a gun show sometime,,,,,I'm extremely unwastefull,,,,,it would bother me if I destroyed a 1k$ gun,,,,but a 200 dollar heritage would not be too bad,🤔😂👍
If you do an image search for "Elmer Keith with S&W 57s," you'll find the famous image of Elmer with the first two model 57s that rolled off the line (his new 41 Mag creation back in 1964). He's sitting there with his pipe and a 57 in each hand, with his fingers clearly on each trigger. I can't help but laugh if he were alive today and posted that image on RUclips he'd be excoriated by the trigger finger nannies. 😀. Elmer Keith...told how to handle guns by internet do-gooders. Ha!
Yep, It's a different world today!
You've obviously given this a lot thought. We humans are creatures of habit. I spent five years in the UK and when I arrived back here in the US - it still seemed PERFECTLY NORMAL to be driving down the left hand side of a road .............until ......I met someone going the other way ....oops. my bad. Eventually ......my brain adjusted back to driving in the US as well. I still watch Premier league football/soccer rather than American football. Sports traitor I guess. Don't tell anyone, but I actually like Cricket too.
Excellent analogy!
Thank for the sub man!
@@TUCOtheratt For what it's worth, I think your channel is excellent. Really well done.
Uh oh...the RUclips trigger finger nannies who live to spam up comments on every gun video are NOT going to like this! 😀
Ha Ha! yep!