Factory Ammunition Can Ruin Your Gun Or Worse
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2023
- UPDATE: Armscor got in contact with me and has offered to refund the cost of the 38 spl ammo and repair or replace my revolver if necessary. In addition they are going to have their quality assurance team investigate this matter. I gave them the lot number in question on the box. I appreciate their professionalism in this latest contact.
In this video I show what happened when I shot Armscor brand factory ammunition threw my Pietta Great Western revolver. Faulty factory ammunition can be very dangerous. It can ruin your gun and seriously injure you. I delve into exactly what happened and how it can be avoided. 
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I came after watching the "short" version of this. I served five years active duty military, sixteen in the reserves, and during that time I never once personally saw or experienced a squib. Having said that, I have seen or experienced three squibs in civilian life; one was due to a mistake by me during the reloading process (improper crimp) and the other two were experienced by friends using factory ammo. I believe we were fortunate to have been using somewhat lower power loads in all three occasions. I can't imagine what the results would be had we been using something along the lines of .44 Magnum, .454 Casull, etc. Great video as usual.
Thanks for that important feedback from someone who has seen a lot of rounds go down range.😃
@@TUCOtherattwow, you sure are very lucky, to get that many stuck and not blow up very lucky dude. Armscor sure should fix this, if they are the same company as Rock Island, from what I've always heard, they are beyond great from what I've always heard, hope all goes good with this
A squib on a .454 Casull doesn't bare thinking about thats gonna blow the barrel.
4.0 grains of Bullseye burning speed powder is about a normal charge weight for .38 Special 158 grain bullets. There are a pile of pistol powders in this class with Bullseye being the fastest burning and lowest charge weights to achieve standard velocity .38 Special loads.
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Many people say "I shoot only factory rounds because I don't trust reloads." Believe me, any ammo can have issues if it's not properly QC'ed during production. I've seen many screwy shotshells, and I've had a squib or two with metallics as well. These factories are cranking out millions of rounds and even though their QC process is usually good, it's never perfect.
Exactly right. I actually trust my own reloads more than factory ammo because I am in control of my own quality. Other folk's reloads not so much. Having said that there is no way to know if the factory that made the components got it right either. Hard primers or bad primer batch, bad powder batch, case defects that can't be seen, and so on. All I can do is inspect my components and make sure I load correctly and consistently.
How do you QC ammo without firing it? I know about visual stuff like caved in brass and stuff like that
@@joeymurphy5617 Factories do test fire rounds from each batch they produce for one thing. Weigh it and you will see the difference for another. They have to make sure by inspecting that their powder charge dispensers are accurate measures on the production line. Primers are seated properly. Bullet seat depth and crimps. They check sample rounds from each batch. Basically they have to inspect each step on a regular basis. Shotshells same thing just some different components.
@@rbm6184 oh ok!
If you're doing the reloading, then you should be able to trust them. Buying reloads online, no way.
Thank you for explaining this to all those who have never experienced it or are an inexperienced shooter
Good job looking out for others, Tuco. Hate to hear of these things happening, but glad it did not result in any injury. Keep us informed if Armscor has any response.
Thank you, will do.🙂
@greybeard277 and you know about the 400Legend too i'm sure. Smh at QC anymore
@@theturkeysopinion Yeah, it's bad enough that we the people are the beta testers of products nowadays. Now we have missing QC checks to spice things up.
First and foremost, I’m glad you weren’t injured brother. Secondly thank you for sharing the information on the ammo type and hopefully people can keep clear of a bad batch. Lastly, that is beyond crappy you have t heard anything back from them on the ammo yet. You would think they would want to isolate the entire batch to keep someone else from the same issues or injury/death. I can promise you one thing, with that type of QC and lack of caring after the fact, I’ll never buy a dang thing from them.
I have several boxes of this 38 special that I won't be shooting now. Armscor hasn't been doing their QC very well because I have had several issues with their ammunition now. I had one box of 9mm that took two strikes on every primer to detonate, and I tried several different pistols to confirm that it wasn't the firearm light striking. I also had 308 ammo that had extremely soft brass that I had to throw out. It's disappointing because all the stuff that I have bought from them is made in Stevensville, MT and I thought that I could trust something that is manufactured here.
That's interesting information. Do you think all the Montana sold Armscore ammo is manufactured in Stevensville?
@@TUCOtheratt I believe for the most part it is. The only stuff that I have gotten from them that wasn't was some M855 made in the Philippines and it wasn't in the same sort of shiny yellow/ black Armscor box, it was in a plain white box and instead of the Armscor USA logo, it said Armscor Global Defense Inc. All the Armscor USA in the shiny yellow/black boxes that I have seen is made in Stevensville.
@@TUCOtheratt Looking online it seems like most sources point to it being all made in the Philippines and South East Asia.
Just a thought and you could weigh each bullet to ensure consistency.
Tedious but it will ease your fears a bit . Knowing if there’s a bad one.
@@TUCOtheratt Range Ronin Chronicles was shooting some Armscor stuff in a Taurus 856 or 605 that was key holing and he said it did that in other guns also so it was for sure an ammo problem. He stopped using it. A bad batch can happen from any manufacturer but lately Armscor is showing up with bad ammo on several videos so this is not isolated for them.
I'm very happy that you were not injured or worse. I think we all take for granted that factory ammo should be fail safe and you just proved that it's not always that case. Hope for the best that you get reimbursed for the ammo and hopefully they'll buy you a new firearm as well. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching and the nice comments 😃
Years ago I read a magazine article about how they plugged a GP 100 and fired it until the bullets stacked the revolver full with 357 magnum loads, they then cleaned it out and tested it for damage, it passed the torture test 💯 I've been a GP 100 fan for many decades now. Keep up the great work, love your single actions and awesome work with them 💯👍
My dad and I repaired a Ruger Blackhawk .357 Magnum for a guy decades ago. The owner had some sketchy jacketed bullet ammo. It ended up having like 8 bullets stuck in it. Much the same as Tuco, the gun tied up with a bullet half in the barrel and half in the cylinder. However, this guy had to reload after the squib😂. Can’t believe he couldn’t tell that nothing was going downrange…. Because it was a 7-1/2” barrel, we had to unscrew the barrel to unlock the cylinder and drill the bullets from both bullets from both sides. Then hung the barrel in a steel sleeve and heated the sleeve to melt the lead and preserve the bluing. However, melting the lead seemed to solder the jackets to the barrel, which really made them a pain to remove. We managed to clean it all up, brush out the remaining lead, and that barrel was amazingly perfect with no bulging and mirror clean inside. I was definitely impressed with Ruger’s durability. There were two rounds left we test fired with. The first was a squib we had to knock out, and the last was HOT magnum. Crazy deal….
I got the older security six. It's a beast, but great gun
Ruger guns are simply over built. People like to say that Glock is the best 200$ gun 400$ can buy buy and that's true but Ruger is the best 300$ gun you get for 300$
Many reloading books have Ruger only loads. Ruger cast their own steel, and it's extremely strong.
I had a customer bring in his gp100 with 4 rounds stacked, pretty crazy
Definitely good you werent injured. Have had a few squibs over the years, both hand load and factory. Scariest incident was factory ammo cant remember which brand was so long ago but running 1911, pulled trigger nothing waited good 30 seconds nada j, jacked the slide and round finally went off when it cleared the pistol. No injuries but had to do some drawer checks.
First and foremost, Im glad your ok and nothing “serious” happened to you. 💪 In all honesty, they should refund you for the ammo and put a recall out on the batch if it was all defective. Also, in a perfect world, buy you a replacement pistol for their ammo potentially ruining your firearm. 🤦🏻♂️ Them not responding to you in a timely manner is worry some also to say the least, they must not care about their customers and/or safety of others if it takes DAYS to say anything.
My buddy bought me a box of this ammo in .357 for my Uberti SAA and now I’m second guessing even shooting it… 🤷🏻♂️
Glad your ok though, thank you for the heads up!! Very honest of you and good looking out! 🤠🙏🇺🇸
Thank you, for helping others passing down your experiences on the matter. Glad you are ok.
I appreciate that😃
Armscor, I will remember that brand. Thanks for the warning. It's bad enough that you even had a squib in the first place but their costumer service avoiding you is absolutely unacceptable.
Thank you Tuco. For the public addressing of this issue and I am sorry for your loss. Pray that the manufacturer will be able to provide you with a good customer care service after this . Blessings to you and stay safe and healthy. God bless you for sharing this! Speaks volumes of your character and love of firearms and sharing information about the sport !
Great video and thank you for all the explanations you gave. Glad you physically weren't hurt, and I hope the ammo manufacturer still help address this issue and nothing happens to anyone else. Stay safe!
Good on you to bring this to our attention and explain the entire scenario admitting that even an experienced shooter can stack these rounds up and not realize. Honest, humble and helpful
Over the years I have known lots of folks get squibs with factory loads. I've even been present when it happened at least 3 different times. I'v never seen it behave like you described here. Scary to say the least. I hope Armscore gets back with you and reaches a solution. Thank you for sharing this and keeping it professional.
My first/only squib happened after 20+ years of shooting.
My first rule on the range now is treat every misfire or strange noise as a squib and check the bore with a cleaning rod just like basic training.
55 years have never had a squibb thank goodness. That is scary.
Glad your okay brother.
Keep us updated on the progress please 🙏🏻✌🏻
I think you might be correct about the crimping,, I had the same experience with a. 455 that I reloaded myself. In my case it was lazy Ness on my part, I was in a hurry to get to the range and didn't bother crimping the last few rounds of the press,, I just didn't think it mattered that much, lesson learned!! I've never done it again. Thank you for the vid and trying to help others. 👍
4gr of powder is really tight from my reloading experience with 38 Special. I cant go below 4.2gr with Hodgdon Titewad without getting inconsistent combustion.
At very low powder loads, there is so much empty space inside the case that the combustion is effected by where the powder is laying in the case, so you might get a different result if the powder has fallen to the front or rear of the case. The other thing is that powder doesnt explode, it burns at a controlled rate: there needs to be a minimum pressure held to maintain the combustion. At light powder loads, the combustion can fizzle out from insufficient pressure. Below 4.2grs on 38 Special, I will begin to see unburnt powder left inside the barrel.
Oh man that sucks. Will be interested to hear how the company handles the issue.
Dang, glad that wasn't a Colt or something way more sentimental. Glad you got it fixed and didn't suffer any injuries. Take care!
Check under the box flaps for the codes and batch numbers. I worked for an ammunition company as a temp many years ago.
Thank you for bringing this to light. I'll avoid that ammo.
Thanks for the heads up video Tuco! I’m sorry that happened to you but glad you’re safe and hopefully the gun will be useable again.. that just sucks that happened.
Thanks for watching and the nice comments 😃
Yessir!! Your like watching Gunsmoke for us, always waiting on the next video, we love it!
Wow ! This gives me great respect for the pistol. The fact that it didn’t rupture and remove several fingers or your hand says a lot for the build quality. Good informative video
Thanks for sharing Tuco. I remember the first and only (so far) squib I have experienced. I was out shooting with family and my sister in law was shooting my nine mil when the gun didn't cycle properly and I had noticed that the shot did not sound right. So I stopped her from racking the slide and did an inspection. Found the bullet half way down the barrel. The ammunition (which I had got from my dad) was old and had not been stored properly. So remember people don't borrow ammo from others unless you just saw them buy it that day.
Sorry to hear this, man. That was a perfectly good whirlinpopper. Don't know if it has already been mentioned here in the comments but sometimes the Lot # isn't inked, but embossed, or stamped... perhaps holding the end flap and different, reflective angles might reveal any code? Keep up the great work. You are the man!
Glad you are safe! This company needs to respond quickly. If they would watch any of your other videos they will see that your integrity is beyond question, and that what you say happened really happened as you said.
That's crazy!!! And amazing you weren't hurt. I'm thankful for that. A story worth sharing.
That's the craziest squib account I've heard. At least you weren't hurt.
Thanks. Yes, it was weird, sounded normal
Thanks so much for explaining!!!!!! Just found your channel. I appreciate the explanation and the videos a lot!!!
First off I am glad you made the video! I recently had this same thing happen with same exact ammo, I couldn't remove the squib and brought it to a Smith. out of curiosity I weighed the rest of the ammo to see the variance in weight. with the lightest one weighting 14.97g and heaviest weighting 15.35g. armscore had a difference of 0.38g . I then decided to weigh other brands of ammo to compare my results. Finding the biggest tolerance of other ammo was only .06 difference. armscore had differences that was over 5 times greater than any others I had checked. This leads me to believe some of them are loaded hot and others have no powder at all . I have a budge in my barrel now and had only used 12 out of a 100 pack. though it could have been worse. I'm glad I had recently become aware of Squib and luckily I was paying attention.
Thank you for the explanation and honesty I've not had any Armcor products before and don't think I will.....I emailed them about an interest in one of thier products they never responded. Glad you are ok
Never buy Armscor, only took me one box of 556 and a half box of .22 to find out. Glad you’re ok. I damaged my 5.56 barrel and broke my .22. It’s cheap for a reason, no matter if it’s U.S or Philippines made, garbage.
I had a squib decades ago when I first started loading on a progressive.
I almost always shot cast bullets, to it was easy to knock out of the barrel.
I'm glad you are safe.
Glad your safe and thank you for a very informative warning. As always be safe and Rock on 🤘😎
Thank you, I will😃
It is good to hear that they at least finally contacted you and agreed to make things right.
I had a similar issue last year with Speer 158gr .38 Special. I was rather luckier, I caught the squib on 5th or 6th round and stopped after the report being off and being blasted with powder coming out the cylinder gap. Bullet was lodged at the end of the barrel, just barely protruding. Yeah, that wasn't fun. Fortunately, handed it off to a gunsmith I know and he was able to get the bullet out in a day, I considered that $30 well spent to get that fixed. Anyway, yeah, factory ammo can have issues, like another mentioned, I seen a lot of shotgun shells, including premium stuff like Winchester AAs and Remington STS that have had issues, I had a couple cases of the Remingtons the other year that were completely fucked up, and never heard back from Remington, or even Vista since this was about 6-8 months after they were bought out, still have some of the trash sitting on the shelf.
Strip it for parts powder and primers are worth something to someone for sure then if they're single ought buck they're perfect for small caliber bp revolver .36 I think
Thank you for sharing your experience and I'm glad you wasn't injured. Personally I think you should speak with the manufacturer of the gun and maybe send it back for inspection and repair. I don't know if you are a gun smith or not but if you aren't and you don't want the gun manufacturer involved I highly recommend you have a good gunsmith do a thorough inspection for your safety.
Thanks for the video. I've bought several boxes of Armscor .45 ACP and didn't have an issue but this video makes me second guess buying any more. Weak ignition can also cause a squib load, usually as a result of hard primers and/or weak hammer springs. Me and my dad duck hunt together and use BOSS Bismuth shells. Until recently those shells had hard primers and if you had a shotgun like a SX4 that doesn't have the strongest hammer then you will run into problems. My dad had a lot of misfires and even a few squibs. I have a Beretta with a very strong hammer and have never had any problems with those shells. I still run BOSS but my dad has since given up on them for good reason.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Wow, Tuco, very sad to see this. This is the worst type of breakdown that can happen to a revolver.
Wow, the only thing I can offer is a big hug even from afar, I see your frustration with what happened.
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You are correct about the primer pushing the bullet out before the proper amount of pressure could build. When I was younger, I reloaded some 357 magnums with 130 gr. 9mm fmj bullets . I had the same thing happen. The first round went off and stuck in the barrel, and the second round peppered me with powder, so I checked the gun, and it had two bullets stuck in the barrel about 2 inches apart. My reloads were crimped. What I did wrong is I didn't resize the ends of the brass with a 9mm resizing die to give the bullet more resistance to move.
Good warning video. I've seen a bunch of defective ammo videos this year. Most companies try to blow off the victim. They should pay for the ammo and your piece. Good Luck, Rick
I bought a box of Armscor 22 LR about 10 mos ago. I dont remember the count, but it was 300 plus or 500 ct. I had so many misfires with that ammo that i stopped using it. I have some Armscor 38 Spl that i haven tried yet. Thanks for the video.
I 'm glad to see and here that your ok. Just a amazing that there was that many bullets in the barrel. I had just one squib load in my Ruger 45LC and it took for ever to get that led out of the barrel. Thanks for sharing this video.
Thank you for posting this video!
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That's terrible, glad it wasn't catastrophic. It's a beautiful pistol, and you're probably right that the accuracy of the barrel has been affected, hopefully not too much. They will definitely need to find out what batch or batches it is for safety concerns. It may take some time, but keep at it.
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Wow, thank you!
I had a factory squib .308.
I heard a bang and the brass ejected.
Fortunately, the bullet only moved far enough to block bolt from locking up.
I took the rifle home and pushed the bullet out through the chamber, then weighed every round of the factory ammo then marked each box that passed.
I'm glad you were not injured Tuco! That's scary stuff when it happens and is a testament to the modern metals used in making firearms. It was also a testament about your knowledge with the things you did immediately after it happened, stopped shooting, holding it further away and in a safe direction. You are correct in that most misfires and squibs come from reloading. Having been an instructor for 15+ years, I've opened and gone through thousands of boxes of factory ammo. I've found different calibers than the box, different calibers in the same box (ie. A 9mm in a box of .40). I've found primers seated upside down, no bullet in the case, and bullets compressed into the case from all of the big four, Remington, Winchester, Federal and CCI, as well as other brands. The worst company for it was a black and green box that used the compressed copper in .223. can't remember the name. PMC? ALWAYS visually inspect every new box. The problem is that you can't usually see improper crimping. Worse, either direction the bullet may move creates a problem, either lowering or increasing the pressures, creating different issues. Especially during rapid or full auto fire. I could go on for an hour on all I've seen. Take a few seconds to inspect the box, it can't hurt. Hangfires get real exciting 😮
That sounds bad. I'm sticking to my reloads from now on.
@@TUCOtheratt like you, I've made at least 100,000 rounds on my Dillon. I wish I could say they were all perfect but there were a few times of operator error.
I've had a few upside down primers, but no squibs (other than that first time I mentioned in the video. And no double charges.
@@TUCOtheratt had a crimp die loosen up. But I noticed it after about 3 shot, before anything bad happened
Glad you are alright.good luck with the ammo company.
Glad they are taking care of you, and glad you weren't injured. I was a range officer for 9 years and witnessed millions of rounds fired. (At a single machine gun shoot, over 100,000 went downrange!) I have personally seen three squib factory loads, & three firearms destroyed by factory overloads (one semi auto and two revolvers). Now considering how many hundreds of millions of rounds are manufactured annually, the failure rate is likely well below 1/100th of 1%, so the odds of getting a bad round are slim, but not zero. And Armscorp (or ANY manufacturer) certainly should have been immediately responsive to a situation like this. Probably had to run it through "legal".
Well said.
Thanks for putting it in perspective.
Just glad you're OK man.
I ran into this issue with this brand of ammo in a box of 9mm. For me, I didn't have any rounds that got a bullet lodged in the barrel, but a bunch of duds. What was happening was the firearm would chamber the round, then when I'd pull the trigger I'd get just a hammer fall *click* and nothing. Rack the action and a complete round would be ejected but the bullet would be very loose in the case with scorching around the edge where the case and bullet met.
Glad you weren't injured. Hope the gun is fixable. That has to be the rarest case I have ever heard. I have been shooting for 45 years and have only had one sqib from a reload that I reloaded. I have easily reloaded 250k rounds and had only the one squib at the range. I have never even heard of anyone having a factory load that squibbed.
Me neither, but in the comments, many people report squibs with Armscor ammo. Thanks for the nice comments 😃
Thanks for sharing your experience! I would have stayed away from jacked bullets and definitely stuck to greased lead bullets. It is more traditional and safer. Revolver shooter from Norway, Idar Ola 🤠👌
Thank you for sharing!
Glad to hear you're alright. It's always scary when you get a squib. I had one in my rossi .357 lever action but luckily it was just the one bullet. Had to beat it out with a cleaning rod. That one was in a mixed box of ammo I'd gotten with the rifle from my grandfather after he passed back in June. I'll definitely be getting the dies and powder to load for it soon.
I'm strictly a reloader from now on.
@TUCOtheratt if I can find a reliable source of components I'd like to be as well. I've got the dies to load for all of my rifles aside from my 22 and 22wmr, and I'm looking into getting a lee load all for my 12 and 16 gauges on top of that
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One cylinder turn away from disaster.
Very Thankful you kept those digits.
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i just got a new 38sp ive been running the same ammo thanks for the warning.
I had a 17 hmr round blow up a Remington semi auto a bunch of years ago. Blew the bolt and magazine apart, cracked the laminated stock and ruined my glasses. Only minor damage to me, powder burns and a sprained wrist as I was shooting offhand with my forehand under the magazine. It's an unnerving experience. Fortunately Remington took care of it rather quickly. Shortly after they recalled all of the 17 hmr semi auto rifles and stopped making them.
Good you got out of your experience with no personal injury. Guns can be replaced.
Thanks for sharing that story!😃
Thanks for the heads up. Won't be using their ammo till you get your issue resolved. Hope your gun isn't ruined.
I had a box of Armscor 38 special and when I fired it there was so much smoke from the cartridge that I could not see the target. It was if someone threw a smoke screen granade. I was at an indoor range and the entire facility was filled with smoke. I never experienced anything like that before. And I have been shooting for over 60 years. On the side of caution, I Have not purchased Armscor since.
I've been shooting for over 60 years; I've been blessed to have been able to shoot just about every make and type of firearm known to man. Out of who knows how many of thousands of rounds fired in my lifetime I finally had a squib load while shooting a Mossberg 704 rifle I had just bought at a pawn shop. I normally use only American made ammo. I had picked up a brick of 500 rounds from Rural King a couple of years ago. So, having never used this ammo before I decided to try it out. I loaded 3 mag's at the range on the fifth round from the first mag I had my very first squib load. The bullet was stuck 10 inches inside the barrel. After dissembling the rifle filled the barrel and soaked the bullet with some strike hold for 48 hours. I tried various types of rods to dislodge the bullet, nothing worked as the rods were either to flimsy or soft. a few days later I was in Rural King, and they had a solid steel rod the perfect diameter and 4 ft long. I took the rod and with a cone shaped Dremel stone I made a bowl on the end of the rod to catch the face of the bullet. I slide the rod down to the bullet and with very light pressure I was able to push the bullet out with little force. And yes, this was Armscor 22 lr. solid copper plate. I sent the company an e mail notifying them of the problem with lot number. To this day I've not received any response. I later learned that Armscor is made in the Philippines, so I wonder if it really meets U.S. specs? Needless to say, I put the rest of the Armscor away for emergency use and have discontinued to use it.
Thanks for sharing your story. That sounds like it's an ongoing thing with them.
"Emergency use" = trading it after SHTF to people you don't like in exchange for food, etc. 😂
Just glad you are not hurt. I have some 556 armscore, so far no problems.
Glad you're okay I recently bought some Armscor in 357 mag I know I shot six rounds that's no problems but I'll have to check the rest now
Glad you're not injured!! Wow!!!
First, glad you aint hurt. 2nd, thank you for the PSA.
I had those same rounds (Armscor 158 .38) come loose under recoil in a Taurus 85 Ultralight about 10 years ago. Fortunately for me, due to the small/short cylinder, the first bullet that came uncrimped moved forward enough to stick out of the cylinder and keep it from turning and locking the action. I inspected the remaining rounds in the box and they all had very weak crimps. Theoretically, with a longer cylinder (like an 1873 clone), that bullet would've stayed in the cylinder. That would drastically lower chamber pressure with just enough pressure to cause a squib, yet at the same time since the full powder charge was still there burning loosely, venting all of the noise/gas out of the cylinder gap and making a normal report so it wouldn't sound like a squib.
So yeah, from personal experience, I can confirm that Armscor 158s do have a very weak (if any crimp) and can cause your catastrophic malfunction due to coming unseated.
Armscor is, of course, crappy ammo so we all have to assume there's an increased risk of these issues just like shooting Tula or Herter's.
Wow!!! That could have been so much worse. Thank God I saw this, I have 4 boxes of this exact ammo. Glade you weren't hurt.
I have some armscor ammo that is .38 special, but it's made in Stevensville, MT. I haven't shot any but I'll come back here if I have any issues.
Good info, i have been tempted to buy Armscor for a ruger Blackhawk 357/9mm I got this winter, will go with another brand. Side note i personally experienced a squib round some years ago doing a routine sighting in for the ohio whitetail shotgun season using 12 ga Hornady SST slugs in an 870. Sabot lodged a little over half way up the barrel, considered myself lucky I wasn't hunting and in the heat of the moment followed up with a second shot. I did cull the remaining shells with the same lot number.
Love your abilities! That takes many rounds to get that good. Ive been reloading 30 years and have had only 1 blown up gun. It was a brand new springfield loaded model .45acp. Springfield replaced the gun. It was the first magazine through it. Was it the ammo or the gun? We will never know but having reloaded a couple hundred thousand rounds in 30 years i trust my ammo implicitly. Thank god that gun was strong. The Springfield not so much.
That is the danger of rapid fire. 4 rounds before realizing something was wrong. Scary stuff.
This is pretty scary when you think about it and it could have gone WAY worse. I had a similar problem when I bought a SAA chambered in 45 Colt. I was using my personal reload ammunition and nearly every bullet would get stuck in the barrel. Turns out the load data I was using set at a low power range just wasn’t strong enough and I had to bump the powder up all the way to the recommended maximum. Pretty scary at the time, especially for a brand new gun. Can’t imagine stacking 4 bullets in a row. That’s no bueno. Hopefully they make it right with you. Good luck
Thanks for watching and the nice comments 😃
Thanks for your excellent instruction 💯👍😎
Thanks for watching and the sub!
I’ve never had a squib round yet, but I have had round malfunctions before from Ammo Inc. Was a box of .300 BLK I was going through and out of 10 rounds , 4 of them spit the primers out the back and resulted in jams when it was trying to cycle the next round. Not sure if they were overcharged or just the primers not seated properly but it was enough for me to not want to shoot anymore of them.
Yeah shot 357 loads same brand and they didn’t fire. Thanks for the tip, I’ll stay away from them. Your videos are awesome!
Testament to the weapon manufacture. Damning for the ammo. Lucky for you. Very interesting.
Imagine if you didn't notice that fast, and the next shot could actually turn the gun into a hand grenade. very dangerous !
Glad your OK, brother 🙏👍Armscor is from Philippines, I believe 🤔Tuco we're ready to see a Tombstone Jail house to match the Triple shot saloon♥️😊😎✌️
I like armscor. I prefer Norma for my cheap range 38s. Hope you hear back from customer service and get to the bottom of this. Stay safe out there, y'all.
You can actually have a mechanical lockout with your progressive reloader , I have one from RCBS called Lockout Die , it takes time to setup but it keeps you from processing no powder loads and it have a visible rod with a white ring you can see . I load a lot of 9mm and it’s awesome not having to worry about rounds without powder , double charge really isn’t a thing in progressive loaders especially with a Hornady .
I was shooting Winchester 9mm white box out of my submachine gun and had a squib. There was six rounds, stuck in the barrel. Needless to say the barrel was trash. Thank God it didn’t damage the Gun.
Wow! What brand ammo?
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Winchester white box, 115 grain the sub machine gun was a Mac 10 now I only use S&B 124 grain In all my full autos.
This is a tough one. Certainly, unacceptable for fac-amm to be flawed, but mistakes do happen. On the other hand, this "Tuco" fellow is running his revolvers way outside of manufactured design specifications - probably even modifying the revolver in order to facilitate his version of gunnery. The effect of a "squib" or misfire like this would be benign almost every time it occurs in a revolver operated as designed and originally manufactured, and maybe even in a semi- or fully-automatic weapon in the case of an auto-round, as long as the operator followed safety procedures for misfires as I recall being taught and have carried out numerous times. This fellow is only, and legitimately, demanding the ammo manufacturer acknowledge and address the issue by checking the lot for a systemic flaw, doing a recall if indicated, and refunding him for his ammo. I didn't hear him ask for the ammo company to replace the handgun (although the manufacturer later offered to do so).
The tough analogy here is the one where I decide to soup up my pickup truck so I can run it on a track at 160MPH, but I keep my stock tires on the truck. After a tire blows and I roll the truck, and I find out there was a manufacturing flaw in the blown tire, can I legitimately go back to the manufacturer and demand they pay for my truck and my hospital cost? My guess is that would be a tough case for me to win under the circumstances. I wouldn't want to be the one standing in front of a judge and jury asking them to award me anything beyond a new set of tires. A blow-out occurring while operating the truck under factory specifications, and within the rules of the road, would 95% of the time result in no major damage to anything other than the tire. Anything beyond that, under the circumstances, would be on my nickel the way I was running that truck.
Going back to this case, were I the manufacturer, I would not offer to replace the guy's gun. I'd stay the hell away from that remedy as even a legit possibility as much as possible. On the other hand, I'd want to keep the guy on good terms with me, so I'd figure out something else to do for him. Maybe engage and appoint him to work on a custom "fanning" load or something - or hire him to do a series of more informational videos on the topic. It's clear that the risk of gun damage and personal injury from a squib is heightened exponentially for a revolver fanner versus any other situation. A semi-auto just wouldn't feed the next round (again 95% of the time). With a revolver used conventionally, an operator could certainly overlook or ignore the fact there was a misfire, advance and fire another round, and that could cause damage or injury. However, it would be highly unlikely that a conventional operator would then advance a third round into what then would be a clearly blocked barrel.
I almost never shoot factory ammo. I've been rolling my own pistol, rifle, and shotgun ammo, for over 50 years and have yet to damage, never mind ruin a gun. Thanks for the info!!
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I have been loading on a Dillion progressive machine.for many years for USPSA. Knock on wood but never had a squib load. Once I was shooting my Glock 23 (40 S&W) and suddenly I thought the gun blew up. It stung my hand so bad I dropped the gun. The brass separated from the rim almost perfectly. This caused the mag release to break and that is what stung my hand. I was easily able to pick the remaining brass out of the barrel and replace the mag release. No other damage to the gun. Since this was practice ammo that I did not gauge the loaded ammo. I certainly do now to detect bulged or defective brass. One way to detect a light load is to weight a known good round and weigh the rest for comparison.
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I can't believe you had a quadruple squib!!! Holy cow! Really surprised the gun held up a good as it did and that you didn't get injured in some way. Only seen one squib at an IDPA match, I think it was the guy's reloads that caused it. Never had one myself thankfully.
I think the gun held up for 2 reasons IMO. One: It's a 38/357 it's built tough and well made. Two: all the charges were very weak and not properly made to produce sufficient power.
Thanks for the warning.
Same thing happened to me and my friend and his brothers we were firing an old 38 . Saturday night special revolver last 4 rounds packed in the barrel and flew out of the brothers hand but it made no weird sound it was the craziest thing I've ever seen or been around. Glade nothing happened to you.Good videos
Glad you made out with your fingers intact. Here's my take on factory ammo. I have experienced this during shortages and people panic buying. Except in my experience, the rounds were overcharged. It's from a reputable factory and the primer cups & anvils would just back out of the primer pocket & fall into his fire control group when we were at our public range. The gunsmith wound up taking his AR apart. It happened around the time during Sandy Hook. So I've refrained from buying factory during shortages.
I had a similar issue once back in the day with Remington ammo, and when they did follow up with me they basically said we are not responsible for damages and sorry for the inconvenience caused. So im not surprised you have not heard anything from this company.
No more Arms core ammo for my guns thanks for letting people know about this
I believe armscorp is here in Georgia, however when I worked in the gun industry it was well known to steer clear of that crap ammo. Good luck on getting your money back or getting the company to answer phone or e mails. They suck at ammo, as a company, and as good people. Count your blessings, you learned now and it didn't cost you too much.
Terribly sorry this happened to you Tuco. Thank you for warning the public about the flaws of this brand of ammo. Naturally when Armscore gets back with you to refund you on the ammo due to there part of failing on ammo then I would check to see if they could help on getting you a barrel replacement. eBay usually has them. Then you can google multiple sites on barrel vices and a barrel wrench for best deal. Also AGI on RUclips shows how to make a diy barrel wrench and you can also make your own diy barrel vice with the proper knowledge to save money and change out that barrel. Hope that info helps and GOD Bless and best of luck to you on barrel replacement change out.
This happened to me with Federal ammo a few months ago. I bought five boxes of the VHP 158 grain lead HP 38 special ammo, and I would say that every round had an equal 20% chance to do one of the following: not go off, go off with .357 magnum pressures, go off with standard .38 Special pressures, barely get the bullet out of the barrel with the majority of the powder not burned at all, or cause a squib. I believe that somehow the ammo was not stored properly from the distributor and not necessarily the manufacturers fault, but still, now I’m very careful when I first start shooting a new batch of ammo. I’m glad that you didn’t get hurt and I hope that you get back what you deserve from Armscor. 👍
Federal has a history of making crap ammo and then telling gun owners to pound sand when a firearm is damaged.
A grease gun can usually be used to apply enough hydraulic pressure to push out a squib. Attaching it to your barrel and sealing the connection are the tricky parts.
Thanks for the info. I have used that company in the past and had no issues. However in the future, I think will avoid them. I have had squibs in the past. Never as bad as yours however. I chalked it up to me buying some cheap ammo at a gun show. Don't be cheap - buy quality products. It actually cost me a lot of money. Several trips to the gun smith etc.
Like you said could be bad crimp or even corroded primers (this happens when they’re exposed to some type of oil based product) I made ammo professionally for about a year or so and used to specialize in primers and charging