How To Manage Felt Recoil In A Hand Gun
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2023
- In this video I explore the concept of How To Manage Felt Recoil (with hand guns). This is a deep subject and there are many expert opinions on how best to Manage Felt Recoil because proper management is a big step towards expert shooting skill.
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As an instructor constantly running into ladies who want the sub compact pocket guns. My comp guns actually use skateboard deck tape on them. Bonus it helps wear down my work calouses 😊
Can't beat skateboard tape. Thanks for sharing.
This may sound crazy, but I teach people on a sub compact. Given a couple of fundamentals, it's too small to hold it wrong.
Thank you for this episode. My 357 magnum beats me up with recoil. Can't wait to tape it up and grip it correctly to manage it better. Your tutorials are such a blessing to this 76 yr old pistol lover. You're the man Tuco.
Thanks for the nice comments. Is your 357 a small frame?
I have a "man butt ugly Vaquero
New Vaquero
I am sure you have tried 38 Specials in it. That should make it much more manageable.
@@kernpetersen4901I love me my new vaqueros
Honestly though the recoil doesn’t bother me.
I tried the normal grip then found a video from Massad Ayoob about the wedge grip. I started using that and it made all the difference for me.
I love how you intuitively incorporate all aspects of a skill.
Especially one that does encompass all attributes necessary to perform, at all levels including scenarios that most neglect.
People like me, over 60 years old.
Only 38 in my mind.
Ha Ha! I like that mindset!
Excellent video.
Powder weight is added to the bullet weight when figuring recoil.
A problem a lot of new shooters have as you know, is improper grip. Use your off-hand to place the gun in the shooting hand. This will help with "milking the grip" (moving your hand trying to get a better grip). If you have to move your hand around, take it away with your off-hand and reestablish the proper grip. I still remember the day everything came together for me with the 1911 45 Auto. During the practice session, everything just fell into place and felt natural and the sights were returning to point of aim. I shot Bullseye for the guard team at the time, and at one point was shooting 3000 rds per week.
You are exactly right, It is more important to find a grip that works for you and your body vs worry about the so called RIGHT grip. If you remember years back they used to try to teach one single golf swing as the only "Correct" swing but, as the 80s, 90s, etc rolled on they learned the bio-mechanics is not the same for everyone and people who had some of what was considered the ugliest swings were hitting further and more accurate than those who had the right swing. Moral of the story who cares what the grip is so long as you are hitting your intended target.
Well said.
Edutainment at its best, Ive been running tape for a while, works really good. And the grip training by hanging - Next on my list! Thank you for sharing Tuco!
I've felt pretty good with my grip for most of the years I've been shooting. I recently added a gas pedal to my carry gun and what a huge difference it makes. Not just in managing recoil but also in making sure your support grip is consistently in the right place.
I like the advice you present in this video and the explanation behind each piece of advice. I don't know if I'll use it, but if I do I'll understand why more so than what I have seen explained on other channels. I think if your method works for you, then that's all that matters.
Definitely going to try the thumb under, I constantly struggle with consistency and like you said I've never heard anyone talk about grip tape. Thank you so much!
He has the best information I have ever come across. Very informative.
I just recently bought a Springfield Ronin 5” 9mm, and if you didn’t know, the front strap is smooth. No checkering whatsoever. And half the scales are left smooth also.
I like the idea of grip tape. I think I’ll be checking into picking some up and trying it out, thanks.
Great job of explaining your techniques for this. Going to have to try this out on my guns.
Another great informative video Tuco!! Thanks for taking the time to share and keep ‘em coming brother!!!
Thanks! Will do!
The video for my lunch break. Perfect timing! Thanks
Hope you enjoy it!
@@TUCOtheratt I did! Thank you for your advice! Love the content by the way.
Great pointer's and lesson Mr. Ratt , enjoyed the demo ! 💪😎👍
Thanks for watching 😃
Great video, I’ve been having trouble with my follow up shot and I definitely give your way a try.
Great suggestions! Thanks.
I used to do the thumbs over until some good shooters recommended the "standard way." Then found that Massad Ayoob also said you can have a stronger grip using the over thumb method. SO I'm going to experiment on that more soon.
It is just another tool for the toolbox. One thumb pushing the other in the frame can be helpful on smaller frames that leave little space for the second hand.
Another good one. Always giving shooters good information and tips to try.
I would really like to see you do a vid dedicated to the Smith and Wesson schofield. Personally, I think it is the gun that would have truly won the west if they had concentrated on selling in the states rather than over seas. Id like to see your opinion on it for several factors, including fast draw.
I've been looking for one without spending a mint.
@@TUCOtheratt uberti makes one, but I know how you feel about single action ubertis.
In terms of grip pressure, I always tell students to grip so tightly their hands start to tremble, then back off slightly until the trembling stops. Learn that pressure and always use it.
Grip tape works great. I buy a roll of 3M stair tread tape at Hobo Depot and it lasts for many guns. I even apply the grip tape to the top of my slides if they have flat tops. That way if my hands end up wet, sweaty, bloody, etc, I can still rack the slide without slipping.
Lots of good tips and reminders. Thanks Tuco.
Glad it was helpful!
Great, as always 👍
Thanks for the visit!
Nice tutorial I like the tape used Talon Grips in the past. If I ever get back into shooting pistols I’ll be trying the skateboard tape.
Great video, very informative. Makes a lot of sense why I could handle my Glock 19 better than a small pink gun, 😊
Thank you Sir very good tips. Been shooting for years. And still experimenting.
I’m a lot better with SA than auto’s. I need to work on it with your method of securing my right thumb under my left hand. Thanks so much for this very informative video Tuco!!!!!
You are welcome. Thanks for watching 😃
Finally! Someone agreeing with me that you need to CRUSH the grip as hard as you can (without getting shakey or impacting the sight picture/dot)!!
Shooting GM times in steel challengebwith RFRI, and the grip is so so so important. Almost as important as tracking the front sight through the recoil
Thanks for your excellent instruction 💯👍👍🤠
I‘ve had grip tape on my .45 my entire life, but on my .44 mag revolver I have a custom made grip. This fits my hand so well, also the revolver is much heavier, I cannot imagine to cover that beautiful grip with grip tape.
I use tennis racquet tape, im surprised more people don't tape their grips
@@vancewalton6438 get the gamma tape it's the best I've found so far, I also wrap my motorcycle grips with it and my AR and MP5 MAGS
I know what you mean by extra weight. I have several Bill Davis custom revolvers with ported bull bbl.
Shot PPC 70'S 80'S and 90'S. Might have shot even better with skateboard tape! Great teacher you are my friend!
Thanks for this and having such a good playlist on your channel! I've tried to call my shots, realize I must be closing my eyes at critical moment or brain not processing memory or something as hard to recall what I my 'call' was for the shot(got better with practice) now I need to do those double taps to see if I can mange recoil control. Also I recently started shooting 22lr 50ft indoor bullseye, unbelievable how hard it is to keep on target(I use a red dot so easy to see the 'wobble'. I certainly have weak wrists as sometimes I get 'stovepipes' from not keeping strong enough grip for gun to recoil internally properly.
You will get over that! Main thin is working on your own style (styles)
Doctor ShootsAlot. Enjoyed this video.
One thing you demonstrate but didn't talk about is elbow angle.
Jerry Miculek explained it well on a "10 minute talk" so i knew to look for it: elbows out not down. Elbows down encourage a vertical movement in the gun because of the pivot angle. Elbows out cause the gun to more or less come straight back into the body, so you can just push back out and be in the same spot.
Anecdotally on gun size, i love big magnums. One of the more painful guns i shot was a 380 PPK clone. I was shooting that back to back with an sp101 357 mag, short barrels, the ppk clone hurt
Tocu thanks for doing this. Grip is key and the difference between a revolver grip vs single action semiauto is huge. Getting a ambidextrous wide safety that you can rest your thumb on helps w muzzle flip plus work the safety easier. Also the tape is a low tech cheap temporary fix but the glue on a polymeric grip doesn't last long cut it in strips don't wrap around. Better, companies like Cheely aggressive grips. Best grip strength if you don't want to do single arm hangs is Farmers walk w/o the walk. Look them up. Or use the horn of an anvil. Rolling Thunder or 2" pipe run a chain thru attach weights and hold, Thanks BY
Thank you for the knowledge
Thankyou for the tips
I manage recoil by strength training, and practice. I also carry a heavy gun. 3.5lbs of compact 1911. It's so heavy, it feels like a 9mm,as felt recoil goes.
Great video , very informative and helpful 👍 👏
Thanks for watching and the nice comments 😃
You use the same grip as I do , they used to teach it as the old school revolver grip , it has always worked great for me on every pistol I shoot
Tuco out here smoking these hammered pairs!! I wouldn't mind seeing more modern stuff too!! Maybe a modern cowboy loadout??
Great explanation on technique
I like the vest ,,,,,,, thanks man .
Excelente video.
I agree with damianparoski. Please show how you cut the sandpaper. I'm old , I don't have time to waste with trial and error.😅
Will do.
@@TUCOtherattwe will wait!
Have you got the time to wait until the video though ? 😂
As always, another excellent educational video. And off course not to mention the help you get from Little Buddy assisting with the white board duties.
Ha Ha 😃 Thanks for watching!
@TUCOtheratt, ececllent video! And well said about one's own shooting style! We could go on about his one for hours, but the main thing that I want to say little brother, Happy Holidays, Happy Aniversary, Happy Boxing Day and all of that stuff! Be good and a very merry series of holidays to you and your family from Tennessee!
Thanks for the nice comments, my friend.😃 And Merry Christmas and best wishes in the new year. Thanks for being a loyal viewer of my videos
wisdom, thank you for sharing yours
Great video haus. Justin Opinion (youtuber) puts talon grips on "every" gun he runs.
The S&W M&P 2.0 series does not need any extra grip texture.
Thank you.
thanks for another great video
You bet!😃
You the best tuco to lerning how to youse the gun thank you
Nice shoot'n Cowboy 🤠. Always a pleasure ❤. Happy trails to you
Thanks, you too!😃
For some people, it helps to consciously pull pretty hard with the front hand back against the pushing force of the trigger hand. It locks the two-handed grip into a sturdier assembly. Focusing on super-tight squeezing by constricting one's relatively weak finger muscles might not work so well. Plus, the trigger finger won't feel isolated and easy. At least, it's how I think. Also, I trap my thumb, too. And I think that habit might work better for people with bigger hands who often shoot compact guns.
Where can I buy a hat like that a shirt like that and a vest like that?? So bad ass! Better than anything I've seen in any western movie. Also great lesson on recoil management. I used to think it meant how much recoil you can handle. 😅
Thanks for the nice comments 😃 The hat is custom. The shirts Ariat brand .Vest is Skully
The right way,is the way that works best for you. The correct way doesn't always work best
Rob Leatham said it years ago ,trigger pull means nothing without a proper grip on the pistol. It's cool to see you blazing with your carry optics pistol then ripping with a single action army . You have made little buddy a proud little puppet .
Invert the pull-up hang with a kettle ball. Also train at 45/90/180 degrees from the elbow.
You can clean the grip tape with a carbide sanding belt cleaner stick.
Cheers!
Great info/tips. It looks like Hickok45 also tucks his thumb under. Will have to try it.
My grandma taught me the teacup grip. She was taught by Annie Oakley. Yes, she was in the Wild West Show.
👍 mighty fine double tappn!
I believe the stocks/ grips are also important , many switch from factory wood stocks / to rubber grips esp on modern revolvers, when the should order a pair of custom wood stocks as I did for my Dan Wesson for example turned it into a potty cat. Very comfortable and far more comfortable then the Smith & Wesson 29 factory stocks
I used that sandpaper tape on rhe forend of one of my grouse guns to get it into position using the Orvis/British method.
Nice video. I may try out your over-the-thumb grip...looks interesting.
Several years ago I began experimenting with point shooting. I put black electrical tape over front and back sights, which forced me to not rely on them. Then I just looked at the target, not aiming, not trying to use the pistol barrel or anything but just look at the target. I started from 3 yards, then 4, 5, 6, 7, up to 10. Several thousand rounds later, I can reliably hit a 7" circle on a fast draw (perhaps 1/2 second or so) from 7 yards, put about 90% in that circle. It just amazes me how well this works. At 15 yards shooting clays set on a berm, the hits drop to about 20%, but the other 80% usually make them jump or are "close enough for government work" as they say...in other words it would have given a bad actor a very a very bad day. BTW, I mostly use just a basic S & W M & P 2.0 or a Glock 19...similar results with both.
This idea has been around forever, as archers in medieval times and before, never aimed down the arrow shaft, but rather looked at the target, and let their hand-eye coordination and huge number of hours of practice do the rest. For a perfect example of what I mean, look up RUclips: How to Shoot The English Longbow with Kevin Hicks.,..80 paces, no aiming and everything goes within a 10" circle.
Unfortunately that would become very expensive. I would love to be able to but taxes and such and 17000 a year kills any excessive practice.
"Add the weight of your arms to the weight of the gun." That little jewel will prove to be worth the price of admission, all by itself. Thanks.
Hey Tuco, thanks for the videos, they really are fun and informative. I have a slightly unrelated question, I have bought a Pietta blank fire gun for practice in handling and attempting tricks, but my question is, should I have dead blanks or empty chambers when dry firing? Thanks, North
My late wife was a 1911 girl she owned five. She was all of 98 pounds but could shoot her 1911s as well as anyone I knew. Her CCW was a S&W model 638 however.
Great video. What distance are you shooting at? 7 yards?
I'm a newer viewer... 1st time seeing a semi-auto in your videos.
What's in your collection?
What's your favorite semi?
What's your carry firearm?
As far as hand guns go other than SAAs, I have Glocks, Browning semi auto 22, Sig 320s and 320 Legion, custom 1911. I carry a Sig 320 and Glock 19 occasionally. I used to have a CZ shadow 2.
your house looks awesome.
Thank you!
It would be interesting to see your methodology to putting grip tape on the grip of the gun.
Me too. That would save hrs to trial and error. Come to Tuco. You started it ,now show us how you do it. Please.
I might do that. It's a whole video.
For me....I use electric tape...and super glue on the last inch to prevent unravel... not saying this is gospel, just works for my setup.
gona try skate board tap. have small pieces of talon on my semi autos. I would like to use something on my single actions, great vid...
Thanks 😃
I wholly agree with finding grip techniques that work for the person. You have to control the gun and not let the gun “control you.”
Felt good i was able to hit my 1x1ish target at about 80 yards 3 times with a 17 round mag Glock 17 with stock sights. Time to save up and buy more ammo.
Nice
I've found with women first time shooters a revolver like a 38spl is the best to start/carry. I've taken every girl I've dated shooting. It's one of my hobbies, so if they don't like/support then we don't need to continue. Anyway I used to start them on a 380 or 9mm, but found when I went to the 6 in S&W they did much better. It was easier to grip even for my wife at 5'0 and small framed/hands. She could control it better than the auto round guns. I dud find her a nice everyday carry since she's not a fan of larger bags or loose clothing for a holster. I bought a Beretta Pico. It's small enough I can mask it with my hands alone. The I got home defense rounds in the lightest powder load. She nails it center mass every shot. I make her keep up on pull and shoot drills regularly. Speaking of I gotta clean this tiny thing It's been awhile. Lol anyway the pistol has the weight to compensate IF you get the 6 inch barrel not a snubbed nose. In a snub you might as well carry a small plastic auto.
Thanks for sharing that story. 😀
What if you make gloves that attach to your gun with Velcro, and those gloves also have 2lb weights on them, and you also put a rod in your sleeve so that you can only bend your elbow as much as the rod bends
Super vidéo, comme d'habitude et les décors sont fabuleux aussi. Si seulement mon pays nous accordait un peu plus de liberté, j'échangerais tout de suite mon slingsshot contre un SAA 45......
Merci pour le gentil commentaire mon ami!
🎉С новым годом!🎉
Grip tape broke my tailbone haha. I don't run any on my .38 just cause the grip is so damn good (for me). Pretty much any stock semi I'll have grip tape on it. Especially, any double-stack.
how u hold it even my 40 Glock 27 and 36 can be snappy but used to it I shot my 357 mag for years before I got pistols so used to the recoil to help I did put rubber grips on my new 357 cause the woods grips would hurt between thumb and index fingers cause the way the metal backstrap is exposed on the 686 .
Where can I get those gloves?
been shooting for 40 years mostly rifle unfortunately, i will put money up with the best. for the life of me i can’t shoot a semi auto pistol i can hit a milk jug at 150 yd with a 44 mag revolver but can’t hit a pop can at 10 with my 9 i haven’t tried many different types but i’m going to try your methods because i’ve tried all the rest.. i hope it helps any improvement be great.
Little Buddy's coat was used in that film! 😊
Ha Ha!😃👍
Absolutely hanging every day even with both arms this creates traction and aligns your entire body keeps your posture, correct if we all do this, you’ll never see a chiropractor again more is better for hanging💪!
Gotta find the grip that works for you 👍👍
Who make the belt and holster you use in this video. I really like the looks of it.
Ben Stoeger boss uspsa holster
For grip strength try to use powerball
I squeeze both as much as I can, and do a similar thing with my thumbs, but my weak hand thumb sticks up instead. I can’t seem to shoot well with my thumbs on the side of the frame either. My weak hand thumb tends to not stay put.
Back in my skateboarding days both Mob, and Grizzly grip tape seemed to last the longest. I have yet to grip any of my guns up yet tho, so I couldn’t tell you if it would be good for it. I just know those brands were good for skateboarding
I tried Mob tap. I like slip doctors the best for bending around the tight curves of the grips without peeling off. I think you'd like a taped grip.
@@TUCOtheratt makes sense, I remember both mob, and grizzly being pretty thick. I’ll give it a try eventually
The only thing I’d add since you didn’t mention it, is how much work is your support hand doing? Your support hand should be doing the majority of the work. Once I stopped using my left hand as little more than a paperweight and actually put it to use my control increased and I could then double tap similar to what you are showing in the video. My biggest challenge is just focusing time and energy on becoming a better pistol shot
True. It is hard to make much improvement in pistol shooting unless you are shooting several times per week.
Dear Tuco, your one hand hanging is one of the best tips Ive got in a long time. So yesterday I monted a bar in my garage cealing. Do you know how long I culd hang in one hand?
Five seconds....... Im 5-10, 190 pounds, dont smoke or drink (that much) walk a couple of miles every day with the dog, Im 59y and feel like in good shape.
But this really got me thinking. Its time to shape up as best I can, and you gotto be a strong as a Grizzly 😄
Congratulations for trying that. It's been getting harder to do the last couple years. I'm 55.
But you Sir put a challange in me, Im going to in a year get to 1 minute, thank you :D @@TUCOtheratt
Firmly grasp it
My experience is the opposite because gripping over the thumb prevents my support hand from obtaining full contract with the support side of the pistol; allowing the pistol to move more easily out of my grip.
That is the most common experience.
Thanks for this! There is an awful lot of gold to be mined in this video.
Thanks 😃
Hmm weird that with my 40 s&w if I grip really tight I end up shooting lower vs if I have a light grip my poa and poi end up right on. OTOH 22lr works much better with a stronger grip.
I've been taping my autos for years. It never occurred to me to tape single actions!
On a revolver, do you pull back into the gun with your weak hand while pushing out with your dominant hand?
No. The push-pull thing doesn't work for me.
Unretaliated to this particular video, what do you do as far as cleaning your single action army's? I don't want to underdo the cleaning but I also don't want to go to the other extreme either. I don't always break the gun down every cleaning. I run a swab down the barrel and clean up the cylinders openings with the swab. Once in a while I pull the center pin out and clean it up more thoroughly. What do you do? As far as products go - I use Ballistol.
If I'm shooting smokeless just like you. After shooting black powder I start with soap and water and finish with balistal. Every third time or so I break it down to the small parts if shooting black powder.
do you use spray paint on the target between takes
Yes