E.M. 2 Live Fire & Cleaning with Jonathan Ferguson
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2023
- In this video, Jonathan Ferguson-author of the Headstamp Publishing book, Thorneycroft to SA80-and a Royal Armouries colleague put the E.M. 2 through its paces during a live fire session, and offer some reflections on the rifle's technical and physical characteristics. The weapon is then partially disassembled for cleaning, and further discussion ensues.
Jonathan's book, Thorneycroft to SA80: British Bullpup Firearms, 1901-2020, is available from the Headstamp Publishing website: www.headstamppublishing.com/b... 
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Imagine if the future rifle competition to replace the AR-15/M-16 ends up with a .280 bullpup for armoured infantry fighting on the nuclear battlefield
as a trained infantryman, who got lucky to fire an L1A1 SLR which was privately owned, years after it went out of service, i must admit to preferring the layout on that rifle with left hand cocking, eyes on the target at all times, safety catch with the right thumb, magazine change with left hand with eyes still on the target, non moving bolt,and the spent cartridge out the right side. I could also fire it left handed safely.
The bonus for me was when the owner told me that of the return spring on the gas tube was lost it could still be used as a single shot cocking by hand each time. That is a life saver.
Pity the EM-2 was not developed further, although i do not actually like Bullpups, and dislike the cocking handle on the M-16 types. A mix of SLR and M-16 would be nice lol. It is no coincidence that the new rifles for the RM's and ? Rangers is conventional in layout.
Nice to see this video thanks.
The Australians used that exact mixture of M16 and SLR in vietnam to great affect. The used the M60 as there squad machine gun.
I doubt there's a market for a modern repro, but it would be interesting to shoot--it would be a head-turner at the range as well!
Maybe a limited custom repro market?
@@joeblow9657 It would be a huge expense with little likelihood of return.
It's so strange seeing Jonathan Ferguson without gloves on
I handled that rifle when I went to Sandhurst.
This video is crazy cool. Awesome seeing you guys work
Thanks Jonathan and team, that was really interesting to see.
Just watched this excellent video. So do all employees at RA wear 80s Casio watches? 😂
An interesting look at what might have been. The rifle may need a muzzle break, and in due course if adopted, would have probably received polymer furniture.
Don't forget this is an EM-2 chambered in 7.62 NATO. The one that was adopted used .270 British which had less recoil (not 5.56 level though). In that guise no muzzle break would be required.
Sorry .280 British....fat fingers
Noice!
Is this the Mike who hates it when you call the Deagle the Deagle?
Pleased I asked myself where the ammo came from, only to realise it's 7.62x51... 😊
are you shooting 7.62 x51 ?
The rifle shown here has a 3 position gas regulator - including a shut off position for rifle grenades. So it must be a model X2E1 in 7.62x51 (see page 272 in Jonathan's book).
Where did you get the .280 ammo from?
The example there is the 7.62mm variant
@@hughjampton7518 No it isn't.
@@hughjampton7518 yes it is. They made EM-2s in all sorts of calibers including 7.62.
The one in the video has 7.62 painted on the side of the trigger housing to denote this.
@@zoiders what’s painted on the side of the rifle at 11:10?
@@Kav. Also, the rifle shown here has a 3 position gas regulator - including a shut off position for rifle grenades. So it must be a model X2E1 in 7.62x51 (see page 272 in Jonathan's book).
It’s such a pity that this weapon in .280 was not developed and allowed to be issued and fully adopted. Just think what it would have become? The cartridge for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been so much better. I suppose we can thank our American cousins and Winston Churchill for the political decision and not the correct one. As usual poor soldier loses out to politics.
The gun was adopted, then the decision was rescinded
@@pcka12 good point, the rifle was adopted, then politics kicked in, removed the military doctrine of lessons learnt all for the sakes of some wankers!
Churchill and the the rest of NATO got played. Churchill believed that commonality of ammunition was more important than the perfect rifle and the US was supposed to take the FN FAL but the yanks lied took the M14 and then screwed NATO with the M16 and 5.56mm in 1965
@@stephen7571 at the cost of infantrymen carting extra weight around until they chose to go to far the other way.
@@pcka12I seem to recall that the ammunition was approved after the rifle was cancelled!
Think modern times, the British tank gun is being replaced by the cheaper 120mm smooth bore because briton can't produce the longer range more accurate rifled 120mm & has failed to convince anyone of our allies "most importantly USA" to produce the more expansive more complicated, shorter life span superior gun in combat because supply,profits,logistics & redundancy in production are arguably more important. The fact the imperial British were demonstrably right about E M 2 & ASSAULT RIFLES ( as were others ) is sadly irrelevant,the bodgejob of the USA cost more money was much more complicated but did the job & only lumbered its NATO partners with inferior equipment, as they had the shi# kicked out of them which brought them somewhat to their senses .this happens all the TIME why'd you think it's all so expensive
Sorry guys I can't afford your book but I think I have the timeline for the British bull pupps sorted. So in 1943 Russel Robinson invents his SR2 bullpup machine gun whilst working at the Army Inventions Directorate ( Aus) demonstrating the concept, Major Hall is working there. Hall goes to shrivenham (UK) on course after designing a variant on the Owen Gun, the Kokoda. Hall gets a design problem on course. Which he astutely uses the FG42 as the starting point. The barrel, springs sights and form of the but. The design is mutch lighter and compact than the prediorcessor. This catches on at CEAD at Cheshent hall, they see the FG 42 influence in Hall rifle but don't like the action, instead using more of the FG 42 in the Em1 7.69 mg which is big and heavy. The ideal calibre pannel is making deliberation the Enfield wants their new rifle to be designed around the cartridge late 1947-48. Wanting the rifles to have the attributes of halls design EM1 and Em2 , halls rifle initially being included EM3( Adder) . The rest we all know it's funny how the Brits got sidetracked from the SLEM2 because off Hall. But never really gave it a good crack at getting it going. Funny how it is always impaired to the EM series instead of other late war designs SLEM2, FG42 and German, Soviet and American self loaders. It was lighter approximately 7lb, shorter with a 19 inch barrel. Would have fitted a timeless .303 equivalent to the .303 Fraser . Had other ability to clipper strip feed. For a 1945 Briton it was lightyears ahead of the competition. In a familiar calibre.
You don't seem to mention S K Jannson who is credited with designing the EM2 which was adopted as the new British service rifle, Jannson was of Polish origin.
Churchill 'killed' the rifle due to it's intermediate ammunition which the Americans would not accept.
@@pcka12 definately the Jannson played a pivotal role when at the apex EM "Personal Infantry Weapon" program coming out of the CEAD organisation. So pricing together the information that I have read seems to indicate that in 1943 at the Russell Shepard Robinson comes up with a system he calls a constant recoil system with the help and funding of the Australian Army "Inventions Directorate". Which results in the S.R.2, S.R.5 and S.R.14 .50b.m.g. with low recoil Machine gun, to demonstrate how well the recoil mechanism works he fires the. S.R. 5 off the shoulder.
To meet the Ak Ak all Arms requirements, UK Robinson designs and builds at Enfield the SR9 beautiful stream punk esk bull pup rifle. He is invited to come work at CEAD in late 44. Whilst there he explores ideas for use of his system in 20mm 30mm and 75mm crazy awesome, in his later summary of his current designs he had been working he described a "Service Rifle" design which he has progressed with in 7.96 short (Kurtz) which was 33 inches long and weighs 5 lb. I'm not sure if this was a bull pup I'll have to go through his files.
major E M Hall is in the UK after being in small arms development after being at the Army Inventions Directorate, comes up with the basic design of what would be labelled as EM3 in 44/45 and patents it. I don't have a proper timeline on Koracks Machine Rifle in 7.96 x55 but I know it ends in 47' . Genisys for the EM Rifles from 48-53. The light, compact rifles of that era as a basic time line.
@@robertmansfield7656 have you seen the Pathe News Reel of 'Britain's New Rifle' which shows the EM2 tested against competition, also the matching replacement for the Bren? All wiped out by an American with feet of clay & now we understand that the US has adopted an intermediate round which has the characteristics of 280 British & / or the 6.5 mm Swedish Mauser which together with 260 Remington represent 'ideal' rounds?
@@pcka12 Yes I have, The Taden mg looks pretty cool. I believe that there was an experimental BREN in .280 as well
@@robertmansfield7656 the Bren whilst being a bit of a 'lump' to cart around remains a very versatile platform in many cartridges/calibres having begun in 7.92 Mauser which incidentally remained the calibre employed by British tanks & AFVs for quite a while.
You cannot really get away from the need for a degree of mass in a squad automatic weapon both for stability when firing & heat dissipation which is probably only really apparent to those of us who have trained to use firearms in a military type of setting since only sustained fire shows you how very hot the things can become.
Never heard "s***ting where it eats" before... nor have I heard "dog's breakfast", but then again, I'm a Yank.
Would love to know what the second one is used for... oh well
The 'Sh*t where it eats' has been a common slur against AR-style gas systems for decades--even though the largest portion of the firing gas actually vents out the ejection port through the bolt assembly. As for 'Dog's Breakfast', that's a delightfully quaint British military saying that seems to mean 'unnecessarily complicated and difficult'.
And they think we Yanks talk funny...
@@petesheppard1709 "Dogs Breakfast" means a mess, not to be confused with "Dogs Boll#cks" which means Excellent.
@@anthonydefreitas6006 Thanks! 'Dog's Bollocks' is new to me!
All that bullpup trouble just to avoid a folding stock. Madness.
The EM2 was a good concept but its construction was obsolete post WW2 , the body was machined from solid in a pre CNC era and had to be made from a hardenable steel alloy as tne locking surfaces were integral to it, pretty much the same layout as the FG42 but that was changed to a stamped constuction in mid 1944, the EM2 was an expensive and slow to produce and though the bullpup configuration with the effective .280 cartridge was cutting edge the weapon itself was not new but an amalgamation of WW2 era designs , the FG42 body and flapper locking derived from the Mauser 41 /43 and Degtyaryov designs.
Why is the guy disguised? Was he on the balcony?
Also, why can these guys shoot fun weapons?
It’s not fair on others who are limited to straight pull.
The Uk law needs to change.
Imagine if you had scorched the handguard of a priceless piece of history for a youtube video
That's definitely not a 5.56. Much smoother than 7.62 though. 1X optics have made a come back as well.
That was 7.62x51