@@rickhapstley3866 yes especially the 1858 design is so awesome the octagon barrel with the lever underneath it looks amazing i wish they made hardened reproductions that could use 44magnum but if i lived in the 1800s this wouldve been my choice also you can swap cylinders faster than reloading each chamber like a colt saa
Revolvers are a special case where long or short they tend to be the prettiest guns in every aspect. Though i am particularly quite partial to the lengthier models myself.
I think Artillery Colts look kinda funny, but the rip on the rammer of the New Model and the false one on the 1875 make the big long barrel look SO good. To the point that the cut down 5.5 New Models look weird.
"Forgot I had 6" made me immediately think, "“I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself." Thanks TUCO and Clint!
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@TUCOtheratt Tuco the loading thing is a ram rod kinda like the ones on musket made at the time. You would be an asset at our range N-Ssa check the web sight we shoot all period weapons from the CW . Would be a hell of a revolver shooter!
yes pretty awesome i must admit , and his thorough and very efficient explanation of things are 100% western and superb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! `
The lever is simply called the "loading lever." It's called the 44 Army because at that time, the caliber was determined by bore size BEFORE rifling added.
Something to add to this, for anyone who may be interested in firing a black powder .44 revolver. The .44 is actually a little deceiving as you would actually use a .454 lead ball so that you can get a tight seal. This helps to prevent a chain fire as a .44 lead ball won't make a tight enough seal and will allow burning powder to get into the other cylinder chambers, causing them to fire off as well.
This was literally the perfect video for the situation I was in. I’d been looking to get an old west revolver, but I didn’t want to pay an arm and a leg for the cartridge ones, so I went to black powder. I knew of conversions, but I didn’t know how or where to get it done. Now I know exactly where to get parts and how to convert. Super helpful, love this channel!
Smooth as silk. The triple shots were amazing. Tuco you bring The Wild West to life. I'm currently ill. But OK. Your videos bring respite when the pain eases up. You're a remarkable guy. You should be a History Teacher.
Your videos are f 'n awesome! Thank you for sharing information about the modifications that you have done! I don't care what anyone says, those old school revolvers still look more badass than anything put out today! Cheers
@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 I just happened to get one myself today actually and now have found this video...did you modify your like tou said? How did it turn out?
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I just put a new bolt / trigger spring on my 1851 pietta Navy revolver! I was thinking about other modifications I can do and then this video came out! Perfect timing.
Thank you for a 1858 Rem video. I am about to order a pair from Taylor's with the conversions. Your Pietta advice will be well taken. I am also always in awe of your triple shots. You're so fast I cannot even see which fingers move the hammer.
@TheStraycat74 Howell makes a great 6 shot gated cylinder for the 1858 Remington. I bought one about a year or so back. It swapped right in my Sheriff's model with a little struggle but not to bad. Did the metal work myself with a Harbor Freight foot controlled drill shaft motor device and Dremal sanding drums.
Do you have a spare machined cylinder ? A 6 shot fanning followed by a cylinder swapping to reload then 6 more shots challenge would be so great to watch !
@@TUCOtherattyes sir it would , i wonder if you could make em using a stock cylinder ? bore it out a lil , make the back cap . ? they want almost 3 hundred for the cylinder , 150 would be a sweet price !!!
@@rick31869 You'd have to cut the back off, bore it out, then make the firing pin assembly that is at least 13 parts, precision machined. 300 is a bargain.
@@TUCOtheratt brother i had no idea how much work was involved , thank You for sharing ! .now the million dollar question , besides the 5 or 6 shot type , which would be better , the ones with each chamber having its own firing pin or the ones that have just one ? to me the ones with 6 firing pins would make more since right , if one breaks you still have 5 !
Thanks! Great video. Taylor and Company bought the rights and owns Howell conversion cylinders.They, to my knowledge, are a separate American Company not part of Pietta or Uberti. Now sold through Taylor’s. Taylor’s showroom and distribution center is located in Winchester VA. Another company that makes conversion cylinders is Kirst. Which is a gated cylinder being such one has to dremel the “shield” to allow the cartridges to fit into the gate.
The rod you use to push down the ball and wad I believe is called the "loading lever". What a sweet rig. Makes me want to go out and build something similar. Nothing quite like a beautifully engraved 1851 navy. Maybe an M1911 would be the only gun I would put in the same group as it. Keep living the dream Mr. Ratt!
No, it is called a "ram rod" they may have changed it to a kinder gentler phrase as to not offend anyone, but commonly it has always been called a ram rod. He is just not trying to trigger the YT censor.
@@truthseeking3818 No Ram Rod is the terminology, look up terminology dude, the slang of ramrod is penis. Also a manager or foreman can often be called a ram rod especially if he is known to be stern and unyeilding. 🗣️ I HAVE SPOKEN!!! "
Other than a Dragoon, all my BP revolvers are Pietta. The other brand conversion cylinder is Howell and they make the cylinders for many models of Pietta and Uberti. I'm running a stainless 45 Colt and 45 ACP set in a 5.5" barrel Pietta 1858. Contrast is nice and helps identify the cylinder. The only issue is that in 45 ACP they only make them in a 5 shot which may or may not screw with the rotation and lock up of the 6 shot gun. Mine have been ok. You may have to hand fit some parts.
Its because its the only one. Pietta's hammer springs are monsters. My uberti has a much lighter spring. But, if you are going to buy an 1858, buy the pietta. Uberti doesnt blanket the market in parts like pietta. Pietta, all around, is the safer buy. Prices are going up on all of them. Get them while you can.
If you're doing CAS and loading paper conical cartridges Uberti is the better gun because the loading lever doesn't stick down into the loading port like Pietta.
The lever is called a"Loading Lever". The percussion revolvers came into existence during the muzzle loading era and were caliber-designated (as were all muzzle loaders), by bore diameter, NOT groove diameter. The bore diameter on a ".44 Army" is 0.440", while the rifling groove diameter on the ".44 Army" is around 0.452" , give or take a few thousands. All American "45 caliber" handgun metallic cartridges from around 1868 to present, were developed around the barrel rifling / bore dimensions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers. One of the first metallic cartridges for use in cartridge conversions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers was the "44 Colt Cartridge" around 1871. The "44 Colt" is almost identical to the 44 Special cartridge, except the rim is much smaller than the 44 Special rim. The 44 Colt used a heel-type bullet with a 0.430" heel that would slide inside the case, while the external bullet diameter ran around 0.455" just under the 0.457" external case diameter at the mouth. The larger diameter of the bullet outside the case ensured the bullet engaged the 0.452"+ rifling groove diameter of the "44 Army" barrel.
I'm particular to the 1851 navy conversions. But I just got one of these Remington's in the sheriffs model with color case hardened frame. Beautiful revolver! Got a couple of spare cylinders also for caps. And will get one or two conversion cylinders also soon. They are beautiful revolvers.
Very cool video, your triple shots are amazing! I have two original 1858 model Remingtons, one Beals Navy and one old model Army, both original cap and ball cylinders. Love them both so much, fantastic guns and a tremendous amount of fun to shoot! There's just something special about good old black powder!
Me and my good buddy were going to get a pair of thease and get a 45 cylinder for them just for nostalgia, not for a race gun we literally talked about this today hahahaha glad this video came up in my feed. I love your videos wish my grandfather was here he would have watched them with me, he's the whole reason I have many guns today.
I put a Taylor's conversion cylinder in my Armi San Paulo 1858. It uses the Uberti cylinder and I really like it. However, the Armi San Paulo has a strange grip angle. It's butt forward giving it a strange feel. The grip itself is also much thinner and I replaced the grip panels with thicker unfinished grips to try to rectify the strange grip. It helped a little. If the Pietta goes on sale I might pick one of those up.
The Rem had many innovations over the Colt but (in its original cap and ball form) you didn't have to load just five. The c&p cylinder had notches between chambers that the hammer could be lowered into making it safe in case of a drop but still advanced properly when cocked. The conversion doesn't have those so a drop on the hammer can fire the chamber that is inline. Always smart to load those with 5 unless you are at the range actively shooting as you show in the video. I REALLY do want a conversion cylinder for mine though! Great Vid!
When I was in JrHS my brother left a 1858 with me while he was in the Navy. It was the first handgun my dad would let me use so I got a lot of range time with it on our property. In the early 2000’s one of my coworkers used one for deer hunting and bagged a few with it as well. These were still cap and ball guns but still very capable.
I never thought that a cap n ball gun can be tuned as a race fast draw gun. Really impressive job on the gun and simply great shooting skills! As a big cap n ball and black powder SASS shother I really enjoy your content! Bruce Miller from Italy
They do make cylinder holders for belt carry to quickly reload cylinders. In the movie Pale Rider Clint Eastwood’s character reloads using cylinders. That segment can be found on RUclips. Your fanning technique is awesome!
The same kind of gun Clint Eastwood carried in the Pale Rider. I love that movie, and thought it was so cool, the way he would reload his gun. I definitely wouldn't mind having a Remington revolver like that. I used to have a Confederate Navy Colt 44 cap n'ball revolver. My dad had one too, both of with are gone now. I love shooting old cap n'ball revolvers, they're really fun to shoot.
When you were discussing the firing pins not having springs, one point that you did not discuss is when loading all 6 cylinders, in between the firing pins there are flats in small indents, that is a safety feature to keep the hammer off of the firing pin. I noticed when you loaded it appeared that you put the hammer down on a pin, if you did, not cool, instruct these new viewers & shooters the correct & safe way to handle these. I had the same revolver and conversion cylinder and loved it, I have since sold it to a friend and now he is enjoying it. Like your videos & content, thank you.
Make sure that you check your state and local laws before getting a conversion cylinder for a cap and ball revolver. I have a Howells conversion cylinder for a Uberti Colt Walker, and a Taylors conversion for a Pieta 1858 Remington. The Taylor's cylinder is manufactured by R&D Gun Shop. The quality, fit and finish on both the Howell and R&D cylinders are very good. The paper that came with the Howell cylinder comes with a notice that states: "When you convert a replica percussion revolver to use metallic cartridges, you have 'manufactured a firearm'. When using a gated conversion unit, the permanent modification of the revolvers frame will change the legal status of the percussion revolver to that of a firearm and all Federal Regulation shall apply. This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by ATF. No FFL is required to purchase or ship this product." In my state, percussion revolvers are considered a non-firearm. However, once I had the conversion cylinders, the guns were now considered firearms and had to be placed on the pistol permit. To avoid being trapped off, I purchased the revolvers first and placed them on my permit prior to ordering and receiving the conversion cylinders. The R&D paperwork that shipped with the cylinder from Taylors only gave the notice of " This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by the ATF, no FFL is required to purchase this product."
Like in 1968 . my dad owned a tavern in Tucson Arizona . The local stunt men would come in there to Little Joe’s Tavern they would show me how to fast draw they still shot westerns in those days on the set of Old Tucson. You reminded me of that that was the coolest shit ever. Ben Johnson was a friend of his . Met Patty Ryan he Rode Midnight as well as Cochise’s son I shook his hand I’ll never forget that lots of great people back then like you .
I'm a fan of the 58. I have a stainless one that I've had for about 30 years. I've lost track of how many times I've replaced every single spring, pin, and screw in the thing and when I couldn't find the parts I made them or modified parts from other models. I've been thinking seriously about cutting it down, and I would have already if I could find a replacement barrel first. I made a .36 cal, 1860, Avenging Angel long, long before you could buy them, before you could buy the Barkeep or the snub model, and before they were all over RUclips...before there was a youtube at all. I can't get my .36 to time smooth anymore or bust caps consistently so I was thinkin the 58 would be a more viable gun anyway, with a conversion, and they look great bobbed down and birds headed. Thanks for highlighting the 1858.
Like you, I call it the "loading arm," or I most often call it the "ramrod." One hunting season, I used a Uberti 1858 Remington .45 New Army Conversion to harvest a five-point bull elk, a four-point mule deer, and a 6'1" boar bear. These older-style guns are great for challenging yourself and a hoot to shoot.
I bought a 1851 Navy from Taylor's. Didn't know about the conversion cylinders until after. Unfortunately i bought a brass frame so it's not recommended.
Sure is nice to see this channel again. I've been busy workin on my chuckwagon so's I been missin' this great content. Can't wait to get back to my reloading bench, too. Need to build more .41 Mag for my Marlin 1894FG and some "heavy" .44 Special for my flat-top Rugers. Different stuff than what Tuco's showing us but great fun and very useful tools nonetheless. Happy trails to you.
I made mistake of buying the brass frame Pietta 1858, thinking that I would never entertain idea of a Taylor conversion cylinder, I was Wrong. Great video.
The '58 and '60 are so fun. The conversions are great to go back and forth between cap and ball or cartridge. Pretty cool to see one as a race gun, never seen that for a '58.
great vid....im on my second pietta gw 11 and of course it has bolt problems right out of the box like the first one i bought a year ago, cylinder will rotate counter clock wise about 1/4 inch or so on all but one grove, have put some 45 lc through it but will be takeing it apart to fix it up....more of a ruger fan though......
GREAT video! Absolutely LOVE the saloon! Always wanted to build and old west street and do the buildings up like in the old westerns like a John Wayne Sheriff's office, etc. Talked to my brother about doing it for ages... sadly he passed a couple years ago and we moved from our 80 acres in North Florida to just a house in North Dakota. Had land here decades ago... wish we still did as I'd still LOVE to do it, but I think without him it wouldn't be quite the same. But my wife and I would definitely love it! Many thanks! Keep up the great work!
Love your videos. I shoot all types of guns but my favorites are single action revolvers and lever action rifles. Some guns are just tools and others are so much more than that. I even shoot a few different SxS shotguns in 12 and 20ga for skeet and I shortened them to 18¼" and installed a large brass bead. You mentioned the hammer spur being shorter and lower. One thing I like about my 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers, my 1860 Richard Mason cartridge conversion and my 1872 Colt replicas is the higher hammer spur. The 1860 and 1872 have much higher spurs than the 1873 does and I find it easier to cock at speed. I'm nowhere near as fast as you are, but I'm working on it! Also, in another of your videos you mentioned a Pietta Alchemista model 1873 and said it had a larger grip. That model was named after the engineer who designed it and he installed the 1860 Army grip in place of the Navy sized grip normally found on the 1873. I have very large hands and find it much more comfortable so I can fit 3 fingers on the grip instead of just two like I can fit on a regular 1873 grip. I had a donor 1860 Army revolver imported by CVA back in the 80's made by Armin San Marco and I can't get parts for it anymore. So I modified the grip frame and installed it on a 5" Pietta 1851 .44. It now fits me well and is my favorite C&B revolver.
And another great video of my favorite single six! And you definitely taught me something i didn't know. Kind of suspected that screw had to do with main spring tension but its nice to know for sure. Keep em coming and keep your powder dry!
I think the actual intent of that screw is to hold the spring in place but I use it to adjust tension. It's really handy I think I'm going to add one to my other guns.
Grandfather had two Blackpowder revolvers. A Navy, which he used to shoot birds that were pecking at his crops, and a 1858 Remington that he shot a stihl chainsaw with at sixty meters. Chainsaw still worked despite a hole going through and through. After he passed, I was gifted the Remington, but I do want a pietta 1858 Remington so I can dual wield them. :D
I love it. I was wondering how you got by the cap and ball delay in ignition. In addition to being functional, it looks great. You could make a simple ejection jig with 6 rods, wood, aluminum or brass to quickly eject all 6 cartridges.
I bought one of these when i was 17 through mail order from cabelas 😂 i love the thing and was my carry piece until i was legal enough to buy a auto loader
You mentioned that the cylinder can get gummed up by black powder fouling after 20 rounds or so. Usually it is either hardly at all or after about 10 rounds. The easy solution to cylinder pin fouling from black powder is to put a single drop of oil at the front of the cylinder where it rubs against the frame. Holt the gun upwards and twirl the cylinder a bit to work the oil down onto the cylinder pin to free it up. Do this between each 6 shot reload and the gun will shoot all day.
I have 2 pietta 58s. One is 5.5 inch barrel with brass frame for black powder and the other is the 8 inch barrel steel frame with a conversion cylinder. Glad you made this video. I'm a big fan of your videos.
I’m sitting around right now waiting to take delivery of a brand new Pietta Remington 1858. I’ve already ordered a Howell conversion cylinder for .45 Colt. Can’t wait to get it and build it up. Your gun is damn cool. I would love a closer look. I’ve loved this gun ever since the movie Pale Rider. It’s one of the coolest old west guns there is. Thanks for sharing it!
Check out the Howell Arms conversion cylinder. It has a loading gate such as on a Colt 1873. Requires about 30 to 40 minutes of dremel work with the included template and then reblue and drop in your cylinder.
I Always wondered if those percussion guns could be slicked up after watching your videos! Now I just gotta find someone with machine knowledge for my 1860 Army :P
At the time that the originals were made, they measured the bore minus the depth of the groves. I'm not sure if this is true with the reproduction revolvers. But I do know that the originals also had gained twist rifling, and the reproductions don't. A lot of originals were converted to the 44 colt cartridge (not the same as the 44 wcf) and was a heeled based bullet like a 22 lr.
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A long nosed revolver has a silhouette like nothing else
Especially the 1858, it's a beautiful gun
@@rickhapstley3866 yes especially the 1858 design is so awesome the octagon barrel with the lever underneath it looks amazing i wish they made hardened reproductions that could use 44magnum but if i lived in the 1800s this wouldve been my choice also you can swap cylinders faster than reloading each chamber like a colt saa
Revolvers are a special case where long or short they tend to be the prettiest guns in every aspect. Though i am particularly quite partial to the lengthier models myself.
I like the 1850 Sheriff's 5.5 too, and yes, I love the Ace, type what you might but nobody on earth will say to my face that the Ace is stupid
I think Artillery Colts look kinda funny, but the rip on the rammer of the New Model and the false one on the 1875 make the big long barrel look SO good. To the point that the cut down 5.5 New Models look weird.
"Forgot I had 6" made me immediately think, "“I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself." Thanks TUCO and Clint!
Ha Ha!
soon as i read that i got a big grin from ear to ear😁👍👍
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@TUCOtheratt Tuco the loading thing is a ram rod kinda like the ones on musket made at the time. You would be an asset at our range N-Ssa check the web sight we shoot all period weapons from the CW . Would be a hell of a revolver shooter!
This has to be the coolest YT channel I've ever come across
Wow! Thanks!😃
The Guy is that "Real Deal" kick ass channel 😎
Agreed. Awesome channel awesome dude awesome guns. 💪💪👍👍
Yeah, it's an awesome channel
yes pretty awesome i must admit , and his thorough and very efficient explanation of things are 100% western and superb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! `
The lever is simply called the "loading lever."
It's called the 44 Army because at that time, the caliber was determined by bore size BEFORE rifling added.
wow thanks , i always wondered !!!
Something to add to this, for anyone who may be interested in firing a black powder .44 revolver. The .44 is actually a little deceiving as you would actually use a .454 lead ball so that you can get a tight seal. This helps to prevent a chain fire as a .44 lead ball won't make a tight enough seal and will allow burning powder to get into the other cylinder chambers, causing them to fire off as well.
Yeah I hollered loading lever at the screen a couple times. I’m keepin my 1847 and 1860 bp. Like the difference between a long bow and modern crossbow
Also called the "sail"
@@muleepete8 I can see that now that you say it, I like that.
Man be living my dream life.
The most Epic Gun channel I’ve come across since Hicock 45
I love 1858 Remingtons aswell the old Navy 51.
This was literally the perfect video for the situation I was in. I’d been looking to get an old west revolver, but I didn’t want to pay an arm and a leg for the cartridge ones, so I went to black powder. I knew of conversions, but I didn’t know how or where to get it done. Now I know exactly where to get parts and how to convert. Super helpful, love this channel!
Total price for this is very close to a Pietta GW2.
Three hundred for the 1858, and another three for the conversion. Well worth it in my opinion
You are good, no doubt about it.
Smooth as silk.
The triple shots were amazing.
Tuco you bring The Wild West to life.
I'm currently ill. But OK.
Your videos bring respite when the pain eases up.
You're a remarkable guy.
You should be a History Teacher.
Thanks for the nice comment. Get well soon, brother!😊
@@TUCOtheratt i agree with him , you're 5 star ,top notched !!!😃
Love the 1858 Remington. I don't know what it is but I love the look of an octagon barrel over a round one. Also very nice triples!
Thanks! I love octagonal barrels, too.
A matching levergun with the same barrel would be a hoot!
Your videos are f 'n awesome! Thank you for sharing information about the modifications that you have done! I don't care what anyone says, those old school revolvers still look more badass than anything put out today! Cheers
Agreed. The 1851 navy has always been my favorite pistols
Agreed, the old style Revolvers are things of beauty.
@@jeffreyyucel9373My favourite is the 1861 Colt Army, fluted design is perfect
@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 I just happened to get one myself today actually and now have found this video...did you modify your like tou said? How did it turn out?
The mechanical intricacies and the skill of your shooting AND modifications are absolutely spellbinding. This channel is such a great follow.
Thanks for the nice comments 😃
That Remington looks great, I wish we could own hand guns here in Canada.
Yes I know I’m here in Quebec now
Why not just get some? You have rights to protect yourself. You don’t need permission from an evil government.
@@greysuit17Canadian law....
@WALTERBROADDUS when laws deny liberty, they aren't laws. They are oppression.
@@WALTERBROADDUSmm hmm? And? It’s a new bad law by a communist treasonous deceiver(s). You morally have the right to disagree with an evil corrupt government. They aren’t looking out for you. You are responsible to you and the Lord.
I just put a new bolt / trigger spring on my 1851 pietta Navy revolver! I was thinking about other modifications I can do and then this video came out! Perfect timing.
This is my favorite western-era handgun, hands down. Something about the look and size of a New Model Army is just right for me lol
Love the Pale Rider vibes.
Thank you for a 1858 Rem video. I am about to order a pair from Taylor's with the conversions. Your Pietta advice will be well taken. I am also always in awe of your triple shots. You're so fast I cannot even see which fingers move the hammer.
You are welcome! Thanks for the nice comments 😃
Kirst Konvertor with a loading gate is a great option too.
@YouHeardItOnTheX kurst only has 5 shot, which is why I got the Taylor's for mine
@TheStraycat74
Howell makes a great 6 shot gated cylinder for the 1858 Remington.
I bought one about a year or so back. It swapped right in my Sheriff's model with a little struggle but not to bad.
Did the metal work myself with a Harbor Freight foot controlled drill shaft motor device and Dremal sanding drums.
I ordered one of those from cabelas years ago when they were around $100 …tons of fun
Some unconstitutional states think BP is a regulatable firearm, but no pro-2A people would consider those states worth living in.
Some states treat pepper spray and stun guns like firearms. smh
Surprisingly, california has really lenient black powder laws
Do you have a spare machined cylinder ? A 6 shot fanning followed by a cylinder swapping to reload then 6 more shots challenge would be so great to watch !
I don't have a spare, but I have been thinking the same thing.
@@TUCOtheratt Light'em up TUCO !
@@TUCOtherattyes sir it would , i wonder if you could make em using a stock cylinder ? bore it out a lil , make the back cap . ? they want almost 3 hundred for the cylinder , 150 would be a sweet price !!!
@@rick31869 You'd have to cut the back off, bore it out, then make the firing pin assembly that is at least 13 parts, precision machined. 300 is a bargain.
@@TUCOtheratt brother i had no idea how much work was involved , thank You for sharing ! .now the million dollar question , besides the 5 or 6 shot type , which would be better , the ones with each chamber having its own firing pin or the ones that have just one ? to me the ones with 6 firing pins would make more since right , if one breaks you still have 5 !
That's cool now all you need is belt setup from one of my favorite movies Pale Rider.
Can't wait to get my hands on an 1858 Remington. Thanks Preacher!!
Thanks! Great video. Taylor and Company bought the rights and owns Howell conversion cylinders.They, to my knowledge, are a separate American Company not part of Pietta or Uberti. Now sold through Taylor’s. Taylor’s showroom and distribution center is located in Winchester VA. Another company that makes conversion cylinders is Kirst. Which is a gated cylinder being such one has to dremel the “shield” to allow the cartridges to fit into the gate.
Yes, that IS the coolest 1858 Remington on the planet...
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The rod you use to push down the ball and wad I believe is called the "loading lever". What a sweet rig. Makes me want to go out and build something similar. Nothing quite like a beautifully engraved 1851 navy. Maybe an M1911 would be the only gun I would put in the same group as it.
Keep living the dream Mr. Ratt!
Thanks for that nice comment!😃
No, it is called a "ram rod" they may have changed it to a kinder gentler phrase as to not offend anyone, but commonly it has always been called a ram rod. He is just not trying to trigger the YT censor.
Yes indeed
@@spy-v-spy1848 You're talking slang, I am providing actual terminology. Thanks
@@truthseeking3818 No Ram Rod is the terminology, look up terminology dude, the slang of ramrod is penis.
Also a manager or foreman can often be called a ram rod especially if he is known to be stern and unyeilding.
🗣️ I HAVE SPOKEN!!! "
Other than a Dragoon, all my BP revolvers are Pietta. The other brand conversion cylinder is Howell and they make the cylinders for many models of Pietta and Uberti. I'm running a stainless 45 Colt and 45 ACP set in a 5.5" barrel Pietta 1858. Contrast is nice and helps identify the cylinder. The only issue is that in 45 ACP they only make them in a 5 shot which may or may not screw with the rotation and lock up of the 6 shot gun. Mine have been ok. You may have to hand fit some parts.
WOW!!! that is such a cool conversion gun. thanks for uploading and hope to see more of this cool piece soon
Its because its the only one. Pietta's hammer springs are monsters. My uberti has a much lighter spring. But, if you are going to buy an 1858, buy the pietta. Uberti doesnt blanket the market in parts like pietta. Pietta, all around, is the safer buy. Prices are going up on all of them. Get them while you can.
If you're doing CAS and loading paper conical cartridges Uberti is the better gun because the loading lever doesn't stick down into the loading port like Pietta.
When you ask the question “Should I do a triple shot?” The answer is always “Yes”
I sure do enjoy a gun with a purpose and it being fit for that purpose. Whether that be hunting, triple shots, fanning, racing, or whatever.
You have a very nice collection.
@@TUCOtheratt Thanks also.
The lever is called a"Loading Lever". The percussion revolvers came into existence during the muzzle loading era and were caliber-designated (as were all muzzle loaders), by bore diameter, NOT groove diameter. The bore diameter on a ".44 Army" is 0.440", while the rifling groove diameter on the ".44 Army" is around 0.452" , give or take a few thousands. All American "45 caliber" handgun metallic cartridges from around 1868 to present, were developed around the barrel rifling / bore dimensions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers.
One of the first metallic cartridges for use in cartridge conversions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers was the "44 Colt Cartridge" around 1871. The "44 Colt" is almost identical to the 44 Special cartridge, except the rim is much smaller than the 44 Special rim. The 44 Colt used a heel-type bullet with a 0.430" heel that would slide inside the case, while the external bullet diameter ran around 0.455" just under the 0.457" external case diameter at the mouth. The larger diameter of the bullet outside the case ensured the bullet engaged the 0.452"+ rifling groove diameter of the "44 Army" barrel.
Like everyone else, Remington 1858 is a Beautiful gun!
Howell's Conversation are top notch, Krist is awesome too, Pietta is better than the rest. They just are, peroid.
I'm particular to the 1851 navy conversions. But I just got one of these Remington's in the sheriffs model with color case hardened frame. Beautiful revolver! Got a couple of spare cylinders also for caps. And will get one or two conversion cylinders also soon. They are beautiful revolvers.
I love how your videos are very educational and so cool at the same time
Very cool video, your triple shots are amazing! I have two original 1858 model Remingtons, one Beals Navy and one old model Army, both original cap and ball cylinders. Love them both so much, fantastic guns and a tremendous amount of fun to shoot! There's just something special about good old black powder!
Me and my good buddy were going to get a pair of thease and get a 45 cylinder for them just for nostalgia, not for a race gun we literally talked about this today hahahaha glad this video came up in my feed. I love your videos wish my grandfather was here he would have watched them with me, he's the whole reason I have many guns today.
That is the coolest gun period! Didn’t even know you could buy a drop in conversion!
Loved the entire video with all the action demo firing and triple shots. The winter scenery gives it the “Winterhawk” movie feel.
Nice.👍✌️
Thank you my friend.
this is the most baddest, cool and beautiful gun
I put a Taylor's conversion cylinder in my Armi San Paulo 1858. It uses the Uberti cylinder and I really like it. However, the Armi San Paulo has a strange grip angle. It's butt forward giving it a strange feel. The grip itself is also much thinner and I replaced the grip panels with thicker unfinished grips to try to rectify the strange grip. It helped a little. If the Pietta goes on sale I might pick one of those up.
The 58 and 75 are my favorite revolvers ever. Just beautiful guns.
The Rem had many innovations over the Colt but (in its original cap and ball form) you didn't have to load just five. The c&p cylinder had notches between chambers that the hammer could be lowered into making it safe in case of a drop but still advanced properly when cocked. The conversion doesn't have those so a drop on the hammer can fire the chamber that is inline. Always smart to load those with 5 unless you are at the range actively shooting as you show in the video. I REALLY do want a conversion cylinder for mine though! Great Vid!
It is wise to check the timing on a new cylinder, just a quality check.
When I was in JrHS my brother left a 1858 with me while he was in the Navy. It was the first handgun my dad would let me use so I got a lot of range time with it on our property. In the early 2000’s one of my coworkers used one for deer hunting and bagged a few with it as well. These were still cap and ball guns but still very capable.
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I never thought that a cap n ball gun can be tuned as a race fast draw gun. Really impressive job on the gun and simply great shooting skills! As a big cap n ball and black powder SASS shother I really enjoy your content! Bruce Miller from Italy
They do make cylinder holders for belt carry to quickly reload cylinders. In the movie Pale Rider Clint Eastwood’s character reloads using cylinders. That segment can be found on RUclips. Your fanning technique is awesome!
I really appreciate your videos and that you take the time to show little details and information about everything you are doing.
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching!
If you use a flex hone on the chambers and follow it up with a swab and som jewlers rouge the spent shells will come out easier.
I need to do that
The same kind of gun Clint Eastwood carried in the Pale Rider. I love that movie, and thought it was so cool, the way he would reload his gun.
I definitely wouldn't mind having a Remington revolver like that. I used to have a Confederate Navy Colt 44 cap n'ball revolver. My dad had one too, both of with are gone now.
I love shooting old cap n'ball revolvers, they're really fun to shoot.
There's something about this revolver that makes it look so cool.
When you were discussing the firing pins not having springs, one point that you did not discuss is when loading all 6 cylinders, in between the firing pins there are flats in small indents, that is a safety feature to keep the hammer off of the firing pin.
I noticed when you loaded it appeared that you put the hammer down on a pin, if you did, not cool, instruct these new viewers & shooters the correct & safe way to handle these.
I had the same revolver and conversion cylinder and loved it, I have since sold it to a friend and now he is enjoying it. Like your videos & content, thank you.
18:06 Haha! "Guess I better load it first." And that's such a cool thing, the very fast 3-shot! Thanks for all the information, too.
Love the old school revolvers something about the shape the long barrel its a sleek design
I've got a Navy replica I need to get to the range. That Remington looks great!
You should do the triple shot with every gun of the era
I'd love to. Just costs money Ha Ha! Got my eye on some other conversions. Tried on a Uberti Mason Richards but it was a lost cause.
@@TUCOtheratt i feel ya
Got to see more on this revolver.
I learn something new everytime I watch you're videos
That triple fan is BOSS
Make sure that you check your state and local laws before getting a conversion cylinder for a cap and ball revolver. I have a Howells conversion cylinder for a Uberti Colt Walker, and a Taylors conversion for a Pieta 1858 Remington. The Taylor's cylinder is manufactured by R&D Gun Shop. The quality, fit and finish on both the Howell and R&D cylinders are very good. The paper that came with the Howell cylinder comes with a notice that states: "When you convert a replica percussion revolver to use metallic cartridges, you have 'manufactured a firearm'. When using a gated conversion unit, the permanent modification of the revolvers frame will change the legal status of the percussion revolver to that of a firearm and all Federal Regulation shall apply. This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by ATF. No FFL is required to purchase or ship this product." In my state, percussion revolvers are considered a non-firearm. However, once I had the conversion cylinders, the guns were now considered firearms and had to be placed on the pistol permit. To avoid being trapped off, I purchased the revolvers first and placed them on my permit prior to ordering and receiving the conversion cylinders. The R&D paperwork that shipped with the cylinder from Taylors only gave the notice of " This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by the ATF, no FFL is required to purchase this product."
Yes, that's a good idea to be aware. State laws very. I don't have to do anything here.
Like in 1968 . my dad owned a tavern in Tucson Arizona . The local stunt men would come in there to Little Joe’s Tavern they would show me how to fast draw they still shot westerns in those days on the set of Old Tucson. You reminded me of that that was the coolest shit ever. Ben Johnson was a friend of his . Met Patty Ryan he Rode Midnight as well as Cochise’s son I shook his hand I’ll never forget that lots of great people back then like you .
What a cool story. Thanks for that!
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I'm a fan of the 58. I have a stainless one that I've had for about 30 years. I've lost track of how many times I've replaced every single spring, pin, and screw in the thing and when I couldn't find the parts I made them or modified parts from other models. I've been thinking seriously about cutting it down, and I would have already if I could find a replacement barrel first. I made a .36 cal, 1860, Avenging Angel long, long before you could buy them, before you could buy the Barkeep or the snub model, and before they were all over RUclips...before there was a youtube at all. I can't get my .36 to time smooth anymore or bust caps consistently so I was thinkin the 58 would be a more viable gun anyway, with a conversion, and they look great bobbed down and birds headed. Thanks for highlighting the 1858.
Like you, I call it the "loading arm," or I most often call it the "ramrod." One hunting season, I used a Uberti 1858 Remington .45 New Army Conversion to harvest a five-point bull elk, a four-point mule deer, and a 6'1" boar bear. These older-style guns are great for challenging yourself and a hoot to shoot.
I bought a 1851 Navy from Taylor's. Didn't know about the conversion cylinders until after. Unfortunately i bought a brass frame so it's not recommended.
Such a beautiful gun
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Sure is nice to see this channel again. I've been busy workin on my chuckwagon so's I been missin' this great content. Can't wait to get back to my reloading bench, too. Need to build more .41 Mag for my Marlin 1894FG and some "heavy" .44 Special for my flat-top Rugers. Different stuff than what Tuco's showing us but great fun and very useful tools nonetheless. Happy trails to you.
The chuckwagon sounds cool.
Nice going the way of pre 1873, I've been practicing with an 1861 Colt replica; your dedication to the sport is admirable.
I made mistake of buying the brass frame Pietta 1858, thinking that I would never entertain idea of a Taylor conversion cylinder, I was Wrong. Great video.
Great looking blaster!
The '58 and '60 are so fun. The conversions are great to go back and forth between cap and ball or cartridge. Pretty cool to see one as a race gun, never seen that for a '58.
great vid....im on my second pietta gw 11 and of course it has bolt problems right out of the box like the first one i bought a year ago, cylinder will rotate counter clock wise about 1/4 inch or so on all but one grove, have put some 45 lc through it but will be takeing it apart to fix it up....more of a ruger fan though......
That's bad. Sounds like a hand problem to me.
GREAT video! Absolutely LOVE the saloon! Always wanted to build and old west street and do the buildings up like in the old westerns like a John Wayne Sheriff's office, etc. Talked to my brother about doing it for ages... sadly he passed a couple years ago and we moved from our 80 acres in North Florida to just a house in North Dakota. Had land here decades ago... wish we still did as I'd still LOVE to do it, but I think without him it wouldn't be quite the same. But my wife and I would definitely love it!
Many thanks! Keep up the great work!
man this was so cool! I hadn't been completely sold on the 1858's but i'm coming around to them.
Man you're badass at those triple shots. That's one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Love your videos. I shoot all types of guns but my favorites are single action revolvers and lever action rifles. Some guns are just tools and others are so much more than that. I even shoot a few different SxS shotguns in 12 and 20ga for skeet and I shortened them to 18¼" and installed a large brass bead.
You mentioned the hammer spur being shorter and lower. One thing I like about my 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers, my 1860 Richard Mason cartridge conversion and my 1872 Colt replicas is the higher hammer spur. The 1860 and 1872 have much higher spurs than the 1873 does and I find it easier to cock at speed. I'm nowhere near as fast as you are, but I'm working on it!
Also, in another of your videos you mentioned a Pietta Alchemista model 1873 and said it had a larger grip. That model was named after the engineer who designed it and he installed the 1860 Army grip in place of the Navy sized grip normally found on the 1873. I have very large hands and find it much more comfortable so I can fit 3 fingers on the grip instead of just two like I can fit on a regular 1873 grip. I had a donor 1860 Army revolver imported by CVA back in the 80's made by Armin San Marco and I can't get parts for it anymore. So I modified the grip frame and installed it on a 5" Pietta 1851 .44. It now fits me well and is my favorite C&B revolver.
That's interesting. I can see you are addicted like me! :)
Another good video ,
Buy 2 cylinder conversions reloads even faster
Remember Pale Rider .
I can't get over that barrel shape 🤤😍❤️🔥
Oh God!!! I have found my love!!! It is awesome!!! Thank you Tuco for showing this beautiful firearm
And another great video of my favorite single six! And you definitely taught me something i didn't know. Kind of suspected that screw had to do with main spring tension but its nice to know for sure. Keep em coming and keep your powder dry!
I think the actual intent of that screw is to hold the spring in place but I use it to adjust tension. It's really handy I think I'm going to add one to my other guns.
Grandfather had two Blackpowder revolvers. A Navy, which he used to shoot birds that were pecking at his crops, and a 1858 Remington that he shot a stihl chainsaw with at sixty meters. Chainsaw still worked despite a hole going through and through. After he passed, I was gifted the Remington, but I do want a pietta 1858 Remington so I can dual wield them. :D
Reminds me of that Colt 1860 Army revolver.
I love it. I was wondering how you got by the cap and ball delay in ignition. In addition to being functional, it looks great.
You could make a simple ejection jig with 6 rods, wood, aluminum or brass to quickly eject all 6 cartridges.
I always loved how Remingtons looked
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❤ amazing piece I love old revolvers
3:33 love that spin, sound pure gentleman
I remember Bob, he was the greatest I have ever seen. Ungodly fast and laser acurate.
I bought one of these when i was 17 through mail order from cabelas 😂 i love the thing and was my carry piece until i was legal enough to buy a auto loader
"You, you!!!" Looks like the Preacher rides again! Nicely done Tuco! I love how you paid homage to the Pale Rider.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the vid... loved the tutorial as usual. the 1858 Remi is the sexiest looking one of them all!
Thanks for tuning in again and for the nice comments. 😃
Absolutely love the building in the background. I want to have a guest house or a barn/ shed like that one day on my property.
You mentioned that the cylinder can get gummed up by black powder fouling after 20 rounds or so. Usually it is either hardly at all or after about 10 rounds. The easy solution to cylinder pin fouling from black powder is to put a single drop of oil at the front of the cylinder where it rubs against the frame. Holt the gun upwards and twirl the cylinder a bit to work the oil down onto the cylinder pin to free it up. Do this between each 6 shot reload and the gun will shoot all day.
I admire your revolver collection, wishing you all the very best with them.
I have 2 pietta 58s. One is 5.5 inch barrel with brass frame for black powder and the other is the 8 inch barrel steel frame with a conversion cylinder.
Glad you made this video. I'm a big fan of your videos.
The part you forgot the name of is the loading lever. I’m trying to scrape up the cash to buy a revolver to convert to a race gun
I’m sitting around right now waiting to take delivery of a brand new Pietta Remington 1858. I’ve already ordered a Howell conversion cylinder for .45 Colt. Can’t wait to get it and build it up. Your gun is damn cool. I would love a closer look. I’ve loved this gun ever since the movie Pale Rider. It’s one of the coolest old west guns there is. Thanks for sharing it!
Right on! Have fun, and thanks for watching!😃
Check out the Howell Arms conversion cylinder. It has a loading gate such as on a Colt 1873. Requires about 30 to 40 minutes of dremel work with the included template and then reblue and drop in your cylinder.
I Always wondered if those percussion guns could be slicked up after watching your videos! Now I just gotta find someone with machine knowledge for my 1860 Army :P
At the time that the originals were made, they measured the bore minus the depth of the groves.
I'm not sure if this is true with the reproduction revolvers.
But I do know that the originals also had gained twist rifling, and the reproductions don't.
A lot of originals were converted to the 44 colt cartridge (not the same as the 44 wcf) and was a heeled based bullet like a 22 lr.
5:00 the loading lever. I run combustible paper cartridges in my 1858. I also have a Taylor's conversion in 45Colt.