Is Intel's New 12th Gen CPU Cooler Actually Garbage?
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- Temperatures with intel's new i5-12400F AND I3-12100F box coolers today get tested in games, Cinebench R23 and idle. And shows that.... its hit and miss depending on the situation. I also put it up against the best value CPU cooler on the market.
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Contents
00:00 Cooler's weight and a big upgrade over previous cooling solutions offered.
01:29 Stock Paste vs Aftermarket Paste.
02:05 Previous Generation Coolers... just WON'T cut it for 12th Gen CPUs.
03:03 i5-12400F Cooling, Noise and Comparison vs Aftermarket Solution
04:00 Noise Tests, Idle, Gaming and Full Load.
05:55 Power Draw shows some concerning numbers and differences.
06:49 Observing a potentially contributing factor towards micro stutter.
07:17 i3-12100F Temps and noise.
08:18 the i3-12100F, much worse a bin than the 12400F? Perhaps...
08:49 Power Draw for i3-12100F
09:12 Conclusion, the good and the bad.
10:50 Question of the day, Why are more people complaining about the PCs I sell?
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I feel like Intel should actually spend the $2 more to put a cooler in the box that is adequate. How many of these things end up as e-waste?
I took the actual heat sink off of an old one and strapped the fan to my motherboard for active vrm cooling lol.
Or subtract $5 off the price for no cooler.
Agreed. They'd get so much positive marketing if they had a better cooler included. Just like the ryzen cooler, makes such a point for value.
@@StarsMarsRadio ryzens don't have a cooler anymore.
Only the "stealth" one and that one is just as bad as this Intel stock cooler.
I know because I used it 😅
@@damara2268 They did though. The point is, if intel put out a good cooler, their value and publicity would be through the roof.
Sounds like they improved the intel cooler just enough to keep it from blue sceening. Thanks for the heads up.
bryan, did the snowman came with new mounting plate for lga1700 or did it worked out of the box without problems
I have a Snowman 3 fans(150W TDP version) for a E5 2699 V3 and at maximum load doesn't go further than 66 degrees. Absolutely a beast!
Awesome information, just bought a i5 12600k and was searching information about cooling options, does the snowman need any mounting kit adapter?
Brian, would you think undervolting the CPU would make sense then if you're stuck with the stock cooler for whatever reason?
Very precious review!!! Thank You a lot!!!! How did You test prev. generation coolers on Lga 1700???
I have a couple of the dual-tower Snowman heatsinks and they're pretty damn good. The dual fan versions are wired to a single header and the fans are pretty average though, so I would recommend swapping out for some proper fans. Or go Noctua if you want nothing but the best. Budget heatsinks (Coolermaster Hyper 212 etc) have awful mounting solutions and they're dead to me.
nice video thank you but i want to ask something if i buy this ram is it fit with 12th stock cooler ? i did reseach it working with like hyper 212 evo old coolers but looks like intel stock fan wide 2:38
The same thing happened with AMD back in the day when they released their Athlon64 X2 series. The X2 series started with the LE-1620 cooler which was quite a thick thinned solid aluminum heatsink. With the 6000+ they just ran far to hot so they had to provide a new cooler which was the FAN-AM6000 heatsink. A proper thin finned design with copper vaper chambers and copper cold plate. I used the 6000+ cooler for years on AMD systems, since it fit on Phenom II CPU's as well, and it was just as good as aftermarket heatsinks of the early 2010's.
the 6000 cooler was like THE go to budget cooler for amd's cause it worked so dang good. I used it all the way till I started running 120mm tower coolers
@@kasuraga I'm glad others appreciated them, for the time they really were the GOAT before the huge aftermarket coolers really took off
This seems very similar to the one they bundled with Phenoms. It just uses a taller fan, which could have helped a lot. The Phenom ones were very noisy under load compared to a 9cm Noctua tower. Nowadays I actually prefer the C type Noctuas for ~120w loads.
The amount of needless apostrophes nearly gave me a stroke
@@Nagib23_32 what?
I had one of those snowman coolers. Can confirm it’s awesome! Swapped it out for a cooler master hyper 212 evo
black for my all black system though.
Thanks for the great video!
Unfortunately, the Snowman does not seem to be available on Amazon right now so I am looking into other coolers.
Thermalright BA120 seems be a similarly liked cooler in the same price range.
What do you think of it, if you've used it?
Is it fine to use stock cooler in case if its just going to be running basic eiditing (photoshop, illustrator, autocad, etc) school level for 3 4 hrs a day?? Or do i REALLY need to buy aftermarket aircooler. I am a professor and planning to use these for my students in their Lab systems... A little guidance will be much helpful. Thanks in advance
I've been using the Snowman for over a year now on my Ryzen 3600 and I 'm pretty happy with the noise levels and the temperatures. Ofcource I haven't overclocked my cpu but it runs with PBO enabled.
I'm very interested to see this review. I recently recommended my friend an i5 12400, and the new cooler design completely slipped my mind. Thanks for providing the coverage so quickly!
Use a 12400f if you get a gpu, its cheaper but same cpu
@@thedamntrain5481 I wouldn't get the f variant unless it was substantially cheaper tbh. The iGPU is very helpful for troubleshooting or acceleration and will allow the CPU to be useful in the future as a media server or something.
@@Zosu22 its useless if you have a gpu to pair with already
@@kev1310 Not if it crashes and then you can't even use the PC for anything at all.
Good luck buying a GTX 1050 for $300 in this crazy market.
@@kev1310 i built my dad a pc using a ryzen with no igpu. i spent hours trying to figure out why there was no video output. turns out the pci slot was dead. from then on i will always get a cpu with a igpu
Great video man, well done, I can see alot of effort was put into it 👍
I wonder if there is a big difference with the snowman cooler depending on how many Heatpipes you have on the snowman since there are different versions of it
ofc it is, more heat pipes means more capacity to cool.
Hi Brian! Have you benchmarked alder lake with and without inspector and done comparison? :)
Great video, love the TFTM poster in the background
I feel like there is some difference in our setups? I have a 12400f using stock cooler and running cinebench R23 it never gets above 76c which is a lot closer to the snowman 72c, my idle temps are also at 39c. 12400f and MSI pro z690 ddr4 using 2x 8 pin power. I used the stock thermal paste on the heat sink and didn't use my own. My case is a 4000d airflow. room temp 23c
Weird because my i5 12400 keep at 36°~60° with a room temp of 28° or 30°
Hey mate could you share what tester you are using to measure power draw ?
The power difference may be due to the 8-pin connector including losses in the VRMs.
How did you managed to mount it on a LGA1700 socket? did you need any additional mounting kit? because the snowman official aliexpress store doesn't state that it supports LGA1700!
Hi Tech YES. Just wanted to ask how you were able to mount your Snowman cooler to the LGA 1700 socket. Did you just force the bracket to go in to the socket? I have a Snowman T6 and it's the clip on type and I am a bit worried cuz I just forced my T6 to get pegged in. It's not screw type like the T4. It has the round bracket where you have to hook it in place.
Have to get the little clips and mount them inbetween, can post up a little video, but will work perfectly.
@@techyescity I see I see. We purchased a LGA1700 bracket from where we purchased our Snowman T6 Dual Fan from locally but turns out it was for the clip type. My dad and I had a workaround though, bought fine thread screws and washers so we can screw in the existing round bracket to the backplate of the LGA 1700 bracket we mistakenly got hahahaha great review on the 12400F btw! Already had it so it just affirmed my purchase for me. Motherboard price was tough though especially looking at previous gen boards.
starting at 8:12, with the i3-12100F, you still have the "i5" in the charts written, where it should be "i3", was confused for a moment; other than that, great video
How did you fit the snowman on intel 12th gen?
That Fan Hub
I would love to see more info about that
Thank you for the video
hi what temp is the limit for thermal throttling for 12400f?
I tried finding a snowman on aliexpress for LGA 1700 but couldn't find any. All of them are for older sockets.
Looks like the CPU is thermal throttling a small amount with the inbox cooler. A quick check is to compare the benchmark score the same between the "short" run vs 20min runs?
Would you do BCLK overclock on Alderlake? It's interesting to see a celeron running at 5.3Ghz and beating my current i7 2600. Maybe time to upgrade then?
Thanks for the comparison, really appreciate your hard work
6:14 your external power meter measure the power without accounting for the VRM's efficieny loss, which happens by design as you step down from 12 volts to (let's say) 1.2 volts. so the software might actually be more accurate than your external power meter.
You are welcome to correct me, if you think i am obejctively wrong here.
Why was that 65W part i5/i3 4/1xxF running at up to range 114 to 122W what were you doing goosing the core voltage?
Bench test at room temperature in Australian summer, 28 = 82 degrees and 96 degrees seems like Intel reversing TDP obvious?
Please advise. mb
Considering that my i5 4440's stock cooler was silent on my Asus H87M Pro, and very loud+hot on my Z97 Sabertooth MKII - it'll all depend on the motherboard as some of the default settings ridiculously increase power draw.
The i5's cooler was from an i7 4770 though - I had a computer shop build it and they down-cycled the stock coolers from higher end builds.
Don't know if that's a good idea, some mobo's limit coolers to 50% duty cycle others to 70. Dust accomulates, summer comes in, thermal paste goes bad.. you need some headroom.
I love how your intro sound like metal gear rising boss music 🤣🤣 I love it. Now your deserve a sub
So what if you have a non F model CPU. Say I'm using this in an ITX case for a media center/plex set up. Wonder if the cooler can keep up with the cpu and GPU running together?
can snowman 4heat pipes be use in lga 1700? i thought the its different, will try later when i upgrage to lga 1700 later....they provide the round thinggy
Bryan, i somewhat recall you buying a bunch of snowman coolers during some sort of aliexpress sale (on blackfriday), where you mentioned how these coolers have crept up in price over the last couple of months. Can you elaborate on this statement or come with a theory on why aliexpress prices on cheap usable hardware has experienced inflation during 2021? (e.g. x58, X79 CPU's, Accellero Xtreme, etc.)
Yeah sure can answer that one for you next go :P
At one time they were about $12!!
@@wallychambe1587 I saw 2 on ali now for around 14 usd
For us Canadians they're currently selling for $46 CAD, which is 36 USD.
Probably supply and demand bc ppl are promoting them on RUclips💀
how come the snowman that does not state compatibility with socket 1700, works for alder lake ?
Does the Snowman need special hardware for mounting on 1700 Alder Lake mobos?
I feel as though with Intel 12th gen, something along the lines of a Coolermaster 612 should be considered the "included cooler" for the locked i3 and i5 considering how quickly these CPUs get hot. Even my i7-12700k @ 4.8 with a 1.28v setting gets to high 70s in Cinebench R23 when under a H100i Capellix with fans in push-pull. This makes the argument for the i9 boil down to "WHY?!"
didn't you need 1700 brackets for the snowman to fit ? or does it includes them ?
Can i use this in a NZXT h1 while waiting for the LGA1700 bracket? i have a 12400
Don’t you need to also measure the 12v wires off the 24 pin if you want to measure power consumed by the cpu?
so we get thermal paste along with the cooler?
My Snowman T6 performs great. I removed the twin fan configuration and installed one 8€ BeQuiet Fan. That dropped the Temps by about 15°C. Unbelivable.
is this cooler LGA-1700 compatible? im having problems finding 1, to ill turn to aliexpress.
This may not be related to the video, but- I use the Snowman cooler for my old AM4 socket motherboard and my A8-9600, used it for OC, and it was a hell to mount in AM4. I replaced the fan that it came with with an RGB case fan and strapped another one with cable ties. It cools my A8 at 4.1GHz @ 1.45v and my i3-10100f stock all well! Cheers for the video.
A cat can breath on the i3 10100 and keep it cool.
Yo Bryan, does the Snowman's universal plastic baseplate fits lga 1700 right out of the gate? Avid fan hailing all the way from Singapore BTW 😀
i came really close to buying a snowman but i went with a deepcool gammaxx for the white heatsink
I feel like this is finally the build quality that is good enough that the cooler doesn't become e-waste. The previous cooler was like silicon lottery: Some were quiet at low RPM, others rattled.
On the _other_ hand, the increased power draw of modern CPUs nullifies its higher efficiency. At 80°C in games many buyers, especially the older generation that is used to 60°C, will look into an aftermarket solution.
I wonder how much can we optimize 12400F with undervolt? I mean, its locked anyway, might well run it at minimum required voltage.
but make sure to not reduce stability while doing it!
Linpack xtreme is what i would use to make sure it's stable, and even might add a little overhead.
De8bauer just released a video that 12400 is not locked on some motherboards. That was quite a surprise :-D It overclocked really well too to 5,2 GHz all-core.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 its still multiplier-locked. He just did BCLK overclocking with a board that has a clock gen. Doable with all non-K CPUs since Sandy Bridge but usually could just go 3MHz BCLK higher. Some boards with a separate clock gen could overclock BCLK without affecting SATA/PCIE clocks etc. This results in further overclocking just like the old FSB days
This test was done with the CPUs power limit set to unlimited tho.
The stock coolers is designed for the CPU to run at stock, that means it let's the CPU draw over 65w only for a minute and then locks it at 65w for some time.
In games this doesn't really affect performance but it doesn't heat as much and the box cooler manages to keep it under 90° all the time which is okay considering that the CPU is designed to run up to 100°.
haha, I did it the first time I got it. -0.050v and still stable, 4.0 all core and 4.4 boost.
How did is the cooler related to (micro) Stuttering ? I've don't understand that part. Cooler it steals Power from the CPU (no matter the power supply ) ?
The snowman mounts on LGA 1700 fine?
Idk if you heard but Der8auer overclocked 12400F to 5.2 ghz with bclk, apparently it's possible on some motherboards (he used high end asus mobos). Since you have non-K alder lake cpus, could you check if it's possible on the motherboards that you have? Imagine the value if it turns out to be possible on any cheaper motherboards. Could make for an interesting video.
Most likely it won't work with cheaper boards as it only works for boards with external clock gens which afaik only exist on top-end mobos
I have seen der8auer with 12400 at 5200ght and he said cpu was like 68 watts power consumption .. I don't understand how that works... He can do that cause he can control voltage, or his data is just not correct?
@@ZLO_FAF The 68,9 W in the graph refers to power consumption while gaming. You can see him run a benchmark in the video @5:25 and HWiNFO is showing maximum package power 138 W.
@@ZLO_FAF I have recently seen a video from an Italian youtuber that showed cpu power consumption in detail, and yeah, it's not that bad, Alderlake has a very high peak consumption, but the average consumption while gaming and using you pc for productivity in a moderate way has acceptable power consumption.
Some B660 board can overclock
derbauer noticed you can BLCK overclock on some motherboards with the 12400, you should check your motherboards to see what ones have that hidden feature. it doesnt show up with a k cpu in
ASUS seem to have slipped this feature on the ROG MAXIMUS series using BIOS 0811 (der8auer showed it was there on both the Apex & Hero boards) when coupled with a non-K CPU. Why anyone would spend that much money on a motherboard to couple it with an i5 12400 might be viewed as weird purchase decision.
What I do find funny is raising the BLK is exactly how I used to overclock Intel 486 and AMD Athlon 64 CPUs as well as the obligatory downclocking the memory clock frequency to compensate... _everything old is new again._ Personally, I haven't used a locked CPU since the AMD Athlon 4400 (my first unlocked CPU was the AMD FX-60).
Could you please help me with choice of mono for a 12400?
does snowman m200 have lga1700, which snowman model are you talking about?
Reminds me of when I did a build back in 2013 with an i7-4770k (84W TDP). The stock fan couldn't keep up. I ended up putting in an AIO water cooler the next day.
That's a bit overkill for 84W 🤔
@@Spido68_the_spectator Overkill but it works.
The heatsink on the cooler doesn’t even cover the whole chip.. is that bad or does it really matter. I’m worried now because my cpu is running at 90c in really light loads, my whole pc is lagging even when barely starting my pc. I already checked that it was mounted properly. I’m so lost as what to do. Thinking about returning the cpu and mobo and getting a Ryzen
What do you think about the Rh 1 that ships with i9-12900 if used with the 12400f
Hey man I just purchased the core i5 11400F and MSI H510-A-Pro motherboard 2x16GB 3200 MHz upgraded from i5-9400F and MSI B360 Gaming Plus 2x8GB 2400MHz, and i got no performance improvement the memory to perform the same on 2133 Mhz and 3200 MHz performing the same in Single vs Dual-channel, i enable XMP profile and set cooler settings to Liquid from bios but not getting the same performance to advertise by reviewers, even single and dual-channel makes a lot of difference like 1x16GB vs 2x16GB runs dual channel but it sees no performance improvement i try to set ram 3200 Mhz but when i put it in gear 1 the shows ram overclocking fails, your help would be greatly appreciated or any viewer can also help me in this, thanks
Should I get the single fan or double fan version of the snowman?
weird my ryzen 2700x wants to stuter hardcore when it sits iddle and gets too cold but as soon it warms up to room temperature evrething runs no stutters at all o.O
i like the snowman, but installing it is very tough, should come with a backplate and screws would be so much better.
I agree. I don't like the tension clip style mount any better than the damn push pins.
Great video thanks for all the work you always do
It surprises me that the cooler is actually any better than the old ones. It always looked like the same thing and they added some plastic to make it look more modern. But I guess there must be another difference as it works while the others don't work. Maybe the old ones have mounting issues? Because it really really just looks like the same old pig with added lipstick. And that would be the exact thing I'd expect Intel to do.
afaik, lga 1700 has a lower z-height, so the old stock coolers would more than likely have inadequate mounting pressure, given they are already mild.
"just looks like the same old pig with added lipstick." how true!!😂😂
Could be the copper core, or at least what looks like copper
It has a copper slug
Just looks like the same fan inverted
I know snowman would perform the similarly to a hyper 212 but I’d appreciate if you included that result for context
Just a thought (though maybe in reality this isn't relevant), if the Intel stock cooler on the 12400F has to spin fast to keep things under control, then perhaps the fan itself is using more power than the slower spinning fan on the Snowman under the same load? Grud knows whether it's possible to tell the difference though, or how large it would be. Perhaps feed the fan cables through a separate power monitor to see what they're pulling? I doubt it would account for much of the overall system power draw difference, but still something.
hotter chip consumes more power at the same freq and voltage. difference in fan consumption could be 1-3 watts.
@@zodiacfml Indeed it could be, but it would be good to see actual measured data. Sometimes such factors can reduce overall differences to just margin of error.
Is it necessary to download drivers for the I3 12100F processor?
Hi Bryan, does the i5 12400f thermal throttle during rendering with the stock cooler RM1?
It depends on ambients, but it gets very close. as seen in these numbers.
@@techyescity Thanks Bryan
Thanks to your videos I'm trying gaming pc flipping. And it's been working really well. I found a guy that can supply me rgb ram, ryzen 3600 and ssds all new and in boxes for ridiculous cheap prices. So that's my base for my builds.
Can you take a look at the quadro t400 and the t600 ? they look like good budget gpu's and they are actually available
Isn't the power draw difference between software and direct measurment caused by VRM inefficiency?
yes!
Depends, the cooler alone dropped it by 10 watts, so also has to do with CPU heat as well. I think measuring both is the best way to go?
@@techyescity Cobber and silicium conduct electricty better at lover tempratures. So the drops in 10W is simply the CPU is more efficiant the coler it is. When messure the power on 4/8 pin CPU header and compare with the software CPU power, the different is heat/VRM losses.
@@techyescity The power draw difference between coolers is mostly because of boost voltage optimization which adds about 1.5mV per C increase in package temperature. Intel CPUs maintain boosts up to Tjmax and PL1/2 by ramping up the voltage rather than throttling back on the multiplier as temperature rises.
As for VRM vs CPU power, unless you made sure LLC matches the DC loadline configuration of the CPU, we can't trust CPU power. The software CPU power is calculated using VID, temperature, and instructions mix executed so if VID is different from Vcore because LLC isn't set according to DC loadline, the power calculation will be inaccurate. Best to assume 90% VRM efficiency and go from there.
At this point, they should have just removed the stock cooler in most SKUs to lower the cost and reduce e-waste. Sure some use it, but with Alder Lake, it's dangerously close to alert level temperature during production workloads and some games. Not to mention the humidity of some countries. I've seen so many Intel builds where the stock coolers were just being tossed aside, what's to say it's different now.
No, they should put better stock coolers in. It’s a big fail that the stock cooler can’t handle the heat of the 12400.
@@EvilTurkeySlices It runs just fine stock. 120W is a bit over 65W:s.
They will never reduce the price, will remove the cooler but not reduce the price.
Well, i5 12700 are already coming with no cooler.
@evuw ehe Maximum Turbo Power
117 W
The snowman doesn't have any mounting issues? That's great news. I was thinking about upgrading my system and the fan was one of the concerns I had.
Thanks, quite informing. I would definitely go for an after market cooler.
Guys I have a question because I have , I have Msi mag bazooka that is compatible with 10th Gen but I have a stock cooler of 12th gen, is it compatible with 10th gen motherboard?
Change the fan on the old Intel cooler to the new fan on the new Intel cooler. You'll see the added static pressure and perhaps cfm is where most of the improvements are. The other part is the weight and design of the new cooler. But the fan is mostly the improvement.
When you say, "change the fan", are you including the plastic guide vanes as part of the fan? There's no old-vs-new Intel noise comparison in this video, but I wonder if it's actually an improved design, or if they just increased the top end RPM?
@@Vegemeister1 fan. Its higher static pressure and cfm
Okay that was an amazing comparison , I didn't know better coolers actually reduces power draw. Can you give a reason why this is so ?
Hey Brian, great video as always. Just have a dilemma since b660 motherboards are overpriced, is it worth it to save a few bucks and get 1th i5 and b660 combo
Could yeah. Depends on what you plan to do.
I run a 10600K in a B460 myself (which can accept a 10900K with some headroom !) And it works wonders. I built my PC around CPU and RAM combo because that's what Cities:Skylines asks for.
Hey where can I find a watt meter that uses 8pin connections like the one in the video
ElmorLabs PMD (Power Measurement Device)
How to mount these anowman am3 cooler to lga1700
Absolutely agree, the Snowman or any similarly made 4 pipe CPU cooler is the bees knees, cheap, effective, reliable, and with some leds, not bad looking either.
@TechYes Have you noticed that 90% of the paste included with coolers actually works best?
can u pls test the snowman on a 13600k i have one and planing to to buy a 13400 when it's lunch soo wanna see how it will performe on the 13th gen
Hey Brian!
No youtuber or any other channel have done a cpu comparison of quake champions. Most people are recommending zen 3 for quake, but I'd like to know in detail how alder lake stacks up against zen 3 in quake champions. Since I know you play some quake and also have a bunch of cpus, maybe you would want to do a video comparing these cpus in quake?
Maybe it will be fine with the stock cooler with some undervolting, you could try it.
My fan is pretty loud at the beggining as it speeds up, but after a second or 3, it gets silent. Do you guys have the same thing or no?
i have b660m-k MB can i use snowman cooler on it .?
Noticed a few mistakes. You were calling the 12100f an i5 processor in the charts when it's an i3. Also that snowman cooler you shared a link for a 5 pipe one in Ali but it was actually only 4 for the lga 1700 you were using. Did you catch that? Nice job though.
can i put this cooler on a 6400 or its not compatible ?
Is the older stock cooler noisy?
what about the stock cooler that came with comet lake intels like i5 and i7 non K ? The black coloured with copper slug in the middle one. I have that one but never use it. That on also significantly heavier than normal one. well doubt it perform any better but should be useful for a temporary itx stock cooling solution.
Can this be used on i3 10th gen processor in LGA 1200 mobo?
My new 12gen Intel CPU fan is not spinning. What to do?
I like how the copper slug is nowhere near covering the entirety of the IHS. This is barely half a step up from the $5 AliExpress 80mm flower cooler.
What should I ask for 570 8GB ? in thease crazy times ?
Think you could check out the SilentiumPC Fera 5 or Fortis 5? I think you are going to be shocked by their great performance!