AIO watercoolers are great for small form factor builds: they are space saving and they are less prone to heat buildup which occurs in cases with small volume. That's definitely a worthy factor omitted in the testing that's done in the video showing a big tower with a huge case volume.
@@thewhitewolf58 small cases are more portable, take up less space, and are generally lighter. Also, they can have a nice cooling setup depending on how you set it up.
i have a mini itx that can fit a small aio i dont think those two big tower fans will fit in my case ill buy the aio im using the stock amd cooler and its fuckin shit cant even overclock my ryzen 5 3600
@@thewhitewolf58 They are people who live in vans. If you live in a van having a small mini-ITX case makes alot of sense. a huge tower is gonna be a pain in the pass to have if you live in a van.
@@thewhitewolf58 Building a PC right now, I decided against ITX purely because I want my computer to be a work machine as well and will require upgrades down the line. If I was only planning on gaming, I'd go ITX. More desk space!
Yes, thats f crazy , See think : For example a company gives u a gureentee of 2-3years , go for it Also, air cooler heats up other parts if the air flow is bad 2 fans version is best I just wana say that DONT BUY AIR COOLER
This video made me think AIO's were crap. But seeing a new benchmark from Gamers Nexus indicates AIO's have improved greatly in 3 years... and the 2 fan 240/260 models are pretty quiet.
I had AIO since 2020 for i9-9940X and it can handle without any problem, also is very silent during compilation. The amount of heat it can blow off is impressive and I don''t believe that Noctua can do it on the same level, even overclocked.
@@shaggydoggs Unfortunately chromax blacks sell at a higher premium depending on when you're buying. I've settled for the dog puke brown and just stopped looking at my computer
@@MarkLikesCoffee860 you'd have to just not research to even think of putting an i3 under an aio or water-cooling. Unless you're only after looks. It would be better to get a Ryzen 5 3600 or a 10th gen i5 and use the stock cooling.
@@MCHellshit if they would use proper fans on the aio's and not the stupid lowbudget high noise fans which get shipped with it and also make it a sandwich (4 - 6 fans on the aio) would get far better result than the noctua at any point i have a setup like that and neither can i get my gpu nor cpu above 53°c at 60% fanspeed while gaming in 4k and having gpu overclocked massivly. Using 11 Noctua fans in my entire rig and nope its not noisy at all.
Ok, I saw this discussion coming. Not all mechanical keyboards are loud, we know that. I believe this comment was just a funny remark on how enthusiats sometimes focus too much on something and ignore others. (and that noise is not that much of an issue if you use good headphones most of the time)
The point you said about heat pipes fundamentally being liquid is spot on. You can absorb much much more heat through phase change than you can through direct convection only. Those little heat pipes can conduct hundreds of watts of heat with only a few degrees drop across their length. And there's probably as much fin surface area as the radiators.
I’d like to see tests done with mid and small tower set ups. I’ve always figured water cooling would only provide superior cooling in tight spaces with higher ambient temps.
Tech companies: Sell shit products by paying for ads Noctua: Gets free advertisement by making actually good products Tech companies: **surprised Pikachu face**
My last build was AIO and the one I'm building now will also be AIO. I had previously rocked air using nothing but Noctua. Honestly, both applications work for me. I prefer AIO for the noise levels being pretty much ambient to non-existent. Sure it's pricier, but honestly the AIO cooling solutions we have now are pretty nice for the price.
I just switched to the Kraken Z73 AIO from a Noctua fan and my temps dropped 25-30 degrees. Either Noctua sucks, or liquid cooling is just that much better
@@holleringsmith3837 going all air really requires a great case to get anywhere near what water cooling gets you. If I ever go back to air, it will be with the fractal design torrent case. Kraken is a cool AIO! I went with EKWB with my new build. Cools the 12900K like a champ. 🤙🏻
@@holleringsmith3837 That big a difference either means your case has god awful air flow, your ambient temps are really high, you chose the wrong air cooler for your cpu, or you didn't have the noctua cooler mounted properly.
Been using the small ones from Corsair.. The H60 model... Never failed me.. CPU Temp never climbs out of 54Celsius on full load... on idle it stays at 32 also super quiet
It’s depressing when I realise that 90% of the time I’m tinkering with my pc, it’s even more depressing when I realise that I prefer tinkering with my pc than gaming on it
A friend of mine mounted his desktop components on the wall of his bedroom since he didn't like the fact of heat generating components being in a small contained space isn't a good idea. So he had a window unit that kept the room at around 60 degrees and mounted the computer hardware on the wall with L brackets. Worked very well and was also a secondary lighting for the room.
Distance directly effects data bandwidth and power fluctuations. Not a bad idea, but the gpu, cpu abd mobo are going to be all within a predetermined distance
At least you're not one of those people who spent above average money installing a shitty AIO water cooler that costs more than air and does its job worse. AIO crowd are like the kind of people who spend thousands of extra dollars buying the optioned-out Camry covered in fake vents and lip-kits and quad-exhaust tips: it's all for show, and they just don't realize how dumb the show looks. Don't feel bad about running a well-thought-out air cooling solution-- it just means you're not stupid.
Not poor at all. I just don`t need unneeded rubbish inside of my pc. If it makes you feel superior...by all means go for it. The only issue is, as evidenced by your comment, water cooler users come off as something similar to vegans. Bloody hell indeed! LOL
Because it looks much better. I think most people know this, you are trading reliability and safety of your internal components for aesthics. People do it in every aspect of life.. just hopefully not in an ER room.
He says it directly: using their computer (us, mostly) as opposed to tinkering with their computer (them, and some of us). I thought that was clear enough
Also don't forget modern AIO has come a long way. Alphacool's newer models are basically custom watercooling for everyone as you can easily expand the system, add a second pump (also good in case the first fails), additional radiators etc. And all pretty much plug and play.
That’s exactly why I don’t care about the sound. Plus the graph he used for the decibel chart is misleading. 20 decibels is I believe 10 times louder than 10 decibels. Same core 20 and 30 and so on.
@@Handlehandleistaken no such thing as good sounding noise canceling headphones. I doubt it sounds any good as their every level HD 6XX that you can get for $160 on sale.
@@flex_ible Kind of what I'm saying! A silent PC in an area with heavy traffic and paper thin walls isn't exactly a high priority (though I'd still go as silent as possible) :)
Yea thats why I never really worked to hard on the silent aspect. Theres so much going on around me constantly, that the computer is still the quietest piece of the puzzle haha
I think in the past liquid cooling in its infancy was better only because air cooling wasn't using heatpipes or not using heatpipes effectively. But now the use of heatpipes for cpu cooling has matured. Liquid cooling has the advantage of high heat capacity, but heat pipes has the advantage of latent heat of vaporization (of water inside the heatpipes) and conducts heat incredibly fast.
Coming back to this after taking a few physics courses I am realizing that the time it takes for the liquid inside the AIO to move to the plate it actually has time to warm up and because of the way a heat to cold pressure system works it is mixing temperature. Having the fans so close to the pipes it cools faster with less pressure required. Really neat.
Ya it's a known issue that all liquid coolers take longer to cool. You only really start seeing the cooling effect further after putting a heavy load. You can see the cooling almost instantly with heat pipes. What that translates to in a graph if you side-by-side the same CPU with the different cooling systems where you go from idle to max load is the water cool will have a hump in the temp where the heat pipes remains linear in it's thermal readings. The other thing that they pointed out here that I too have observed. The 3 fan radiators in ALL brands (not just Corsair) perform worst than the 2 fan radiator closed loop system counter-parts. I have no idea why this is happening but it is real. I've tested a number of brands with a threadripper. Enermax, Corsair, Deepcool, just to name a few... ALL of them the 2 fan shorter radiator greatly out performs the 3 fan. I am so lost on why.
@@deadinsideandout9292 my laptop goes to 100 celsius before the gpuz temperature counter stops counting. A simple trick I learned to bring temps down is to raise my laptop on each corner so that it isnt flat on the table. that prevents heat buildup below it
I have one PC with an AIO and one without. Getting my hands around parts that are near the CPU such as the m.2 SSD or RAM is so much easier with the AIO since it doesn’t take up space near the CPU socket. Trying to get your hands around anything with the CPU with an air cooler is pretty annoying.
Dude, i have an AIO because my air cooler didn’t work as it should. My CPU was at 85 celsius, now with the AIO the cores are at max 60 and the overall temp is 36 at absolute max load. It works, its simple and it does its job. I am glad i have this watercooling system, its effective and just gets its job done. Also consider this: the H100 is one degree above the air cooler... its just one degree... so dont always listem to what they say. Their data might not be corrupted by any opinion, but the point of the video was to prove water cooling sucks. If you feel bad look up videos about Pros and you find a different opinion. As long as it does its job and you like it, it doesn’t matter really
I used to liquid cool... AIOs, then moved on to custom loops with soft tubing, then on to doing builds with rigid PETG tubing, etc... Now I just stick with a Noctua NH-D15. Got sick of permeation on AIOs rendering them useless after a while, doing maintenance on custom loops (disassembling a PETG run is a pain in the ass), etc. A good air cooler with a graphite thermal pad gets you 90% of the way there and you don't have to do a damn thing to maintain it. No repasting, no nothing. Blast it with some compressed air once in a while if you're feeling generous. That's it.
he said he water cools it because he likes the "cleaner look" because you can mount water coolers higher and are less out of site and you can see your motherboard and maybe led lights (if you add some) more better but air coolers are much better than water coolers I agree especially price wise
3celsius = It's not even close. Could be anything from TIM to airpockets, Like how do you suppose that they eliminated all the variables in their setup when the radiator is mounted differently with relation to airflow, along with what sounds like a jank setup with HVAC and shit. I think the biggest and most beneficial aspect of the AIO, is not the cooling performance, it is infact the clearance hassle that you fucking get from big fucking fans and heatsinks, which there is no way to fucking know for sure if you have clearance until you get something shipped to you, only to find out, FUCK It doesnt fit. Or you're literally risking damaging your board to push ram at an angle, or forcing stuff in, having to completely dismount your whole CPU, just to change ram. Honestly, Cry more about 3Celsisus, when you're building a pc and dont wanna fuck around with "Does it fit", AIO wins everytime. Unless your board is awkward as fuck, There's no way you can't find a way to mount an AIO (where the radiator fits), in a case with any board. Who cares about temps when you're trying to figure out which spacehog is gonna fit in your particular case, with your particular board, with your particular ram. Unless you wanna go the safest route and copy some kid's setup by the piece, which means you gotta stalk some forums for someone who isn't bullshitting you.
I paused this video at just before 5 minutes and proceed to scroll down looking for this exact comment. I knew it was here. I don't even know why I came looking for it.
makes sense: AIO water cooling is basically just heatpipes that use water given the case was already cool inside due to lots of space and intake fans the noctoa was gonna kick-ass. would be curious to see this tried with a less well ventilated case or small form factor build
Not really tho because the heatsinks are usually much larger, or at least can be, in water coolers. Something is definitely wrong with their testing because in cooler benchmarks AIO's are always ahead. And the bigger the AIO the better. I don't know what this non-sense is that their 240 performed better than a 360. It goes against basic physics.
That's the principle of any watercooling method. Well at least those without any form of compressor actually cooling the water. It's just that the radiators of AIO watercoolers are pretty bad. Cooling comes down simply to surface area and heat distribution over said area. With water you can theoretically transport heat better but if it ends up with just running two pipes through some short metal blade it's never going to compete with a smart setup of heatpipes running through a much wider area. unless you have a ridiculously well designed radiator, a huge case that fits a huge radiator or even better an external radiator even custom watercooling won't get you that much better results. Well at least until you get to the point where the airflow to the parts that need cooling is obstructed. IN those cases watercooling is a necessity.
Ventilation makes almost no difference, shockingly. Unless you completely block flow, the difference is almost immeasurable. ruclips.net/video/YDCMMf-_ASE/видео.html&t=435
@@Kennorx My custom loop brought my GPU temps from 80c to 40c under load with a much heavier overclock. Not that big of a difference? Oh and its much quieter. Sure maybe the radiators were just bad in these Corsair ones but they're obviously not all bad. Look at other benchmarks. All the AIOs are at the top, all the air coolers are at the bottom. Pretty much everywhere else says the D15 is on par with a 240 AIO but is easily beaten by a 360. www.anandtech.com/show/6830/cpu-air-cooler-roundup-six-coolers-from-noctua-silverstone-and-cooler-master/4 www.legitreviews.com/noctua-nh-d15-air-cpu-cooler-review_169205/5
Heat dissapation is created by surface area, the Noctua has A LOT of surface area in its fins to create more dissapation. Measure overall surface area and you will get an idea of cooling effectiveness.
The video brings up an important point - its all context. Some things perform better than others despite fan or water or size. I have always know that some smaller AIOs perform better than bigger AIOs.
Stock cooler on R5 3600 is pure crap. My CPU is idling at 47 degrees. Looking for good options. I run python programs which hit 100 % utilization on single core , which is roughly 11% utilization on all cores. The temperatures hit 75 .
Hi Linus, my 4 year old daughter wants to say hi and that her name is Anna. She is confused as to why we can t visit you right now since we live on the island. So I told her that we would write to you instead. so Hello from Anna.
One other advantage of water cooling is that in more compact computers the small pad is a lot easier to fit on the motherboard than a massive air cooler.
I had a 9 year old Noctua cooler laying around. Slapped it on a new computer / home server that runs 24/7 and it works. I'm not sure if I would trust a 9 year old AIO.
My original NH-U-12P didnt even come with a 1366 kit and it has gone from Nehalem to Ryzen2 (mainly to save power). I would have bought something better but they havent made it yet ;) And i am dead sure i wouldnt trust a 9yo AIO. Evaporation will have occurred, and it's unlikely the biocide is THAT good. Any rubber will have started to decay.
Considering my AIO had a pump failure recently and is, I think less than 3 years old, yeah, they have a few issues. The irony is I had to revert to using a stock intel cooler that dates back 10 years, and that still works as well as it ever did. (which is mediocre, but you know. Functional.)
@@KuraIthys I have a 11 year old corsairs H60 It's been in 2 pc's and is still working great on a 2600k. I got a Corsair H150 in my new built and it's silent even under full load in a be quite pro 900, 9800k @ 5ghz with 1.29 v
I built my first pc 5 years ago and installed a Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler and I am so happy with it. I also went with a semi larger case that was completely closed but it has amazing airflow and stays cool. In comparison, my boyfriend went with a pretty AIO cooler and a very small white case with see through panel that looks really good BUT his pc gets much hotter and is so noisy! While it looks good, it doesn’t seem to cool nearly as good as mine. I will continue getting Noctua fans!
I've been doing HVAC for several years. I love learning all different styles heating and cooling applications. I just built a computer out of fun for removing heat from the system.
@@smellypatel5272 that's the capitalist way. It's called profit. There's this thing called overhead you have to charge for. If a part is 100 dollars you also have to charge for labor, insurance, gas, and alot of other things aswell, that's why a 100 dollar part ends up costing 3 to 5 hundred. It's just how it is.
@@NateTheGreat-ij9dx that's a generic excuse used to justify unethical, illegal and scummy practices that result in these professions/industries getting paid way more than they deserve. Nice try.
@@smellypatel5272 if you don't like the price there's multiple companies that offer the same thing. That's the beauty of capitalism. Competition leads to lower prices. Just because you have a victim mindset dosent mean that the system is broken.
@@NateTheGreat-ij9dx except the industry is unionized, there are no checks on your work, and the information is highly esoteric to your average customer. All things you're aware of and take advantage of when overcharging for menial work.
I nearly damaged my new Graphics card, my CPU and my Motherboard with the installing/removal process of my 120mm Tower air cooler being extremely difficult. I got VERY lucky nothing got permanently damaged. I bought the AIO for that reason alone. It REALLY cleaned the build up. Even being a cheap but trusty local brand. Yes, I have nightmares of it leaking, but there's warranty for that
But does it really matter? If you enjoy tinkering with your computer just keep those expectations you had up and enjoy the ride. I always hate the "SHOULD'VE BOUGHT THIS LOL" comments. If you're having fun with it and the performance is good, why would it matter?
im just playing i wanted it anyway to go with my new razer case (got the thermaltake floe with some extra fans) just find it funny on the day i buy im told not to
The frequency of the noise is also very important. I bought an EVGA All-In-One 240mm cooler and while quiet enough the frequency of the noise from the fans was driving me nuts. I replaced them with some Noctua fans and have been good since.
did you watch the whole video? The whole thing is just about how each have their advantages and disadvantages depending on your situation and what you're looking for. thus why it';s called why YOU shouldn't water cool. they give reasons why you may not want to choose water cooling depending on what you need.
Tbh, I would still go for water cooling. It performs better than most air coolers and looks super sick. Just don't destroy your PC while installing it.
Alright here is the case. The Air cooler proven to be better at cooling that a 360mm radiator, but the downside is that heavy movement or packaging is going to bend the Mobo thanks to air radiator weight. So if you move your case, buy water cooling or use Intel stock cooler since it's pretty light u know. But in my case i got a 780T corsair Case and i bought a 360mm water cooler, i put it on top and now it acts as an Exhaust fan Case is underpressured, since now i got 4 120mm(3 on top and one in the back) setup as exhaust, while 2 140mm and a 1 120mm on bottom acting as intake.(which means my case is running cooler but dust may gather here and there). I think my next build will be a 120mm radiator, might go micro case too
8:02 You guys do this in a lot of your graphs. I don't have these product numbers memorized, could you plz put up a picture next to the name so I know what I'm looking at? Or overlay the names on the screen where you show them all on the table. (edit) Lol they fixed it at 8:47
For Corsair AIOs, every 50 is a 120mm fan (H50/H60 is 1, H100i is 2, H150 is 3). I will agree that the Noctua cooler ones are a bit less easy to memorize, though.
I would love to see a follow-up video comparing different companies AIO's since they do have slight differences which do lead to measurably different results in temperature. Also the same but with air coolers.
AIOs do have their benefits, especially in mATX or ITX builds. They outperform air coolers in tight spaces where hot residual air from the GPU affects temps. Overall a matter of preference.
Yeah I just built a mATX x299 using the EVGA aio 280mm water cooler and a evga 2080ti hybrid and gaming ultra my cpu was at like 55 maybe 60 max but I don’t think my cpu was like fully OC like I’m honestly kinda just learning how to OC using MSI software
They have benefits in limited circumstances but for the average user building in a normal mid tower case there isn't much benefit though its more down to aesthetics and personal preference
Well, generally a matter of preference with the caveat being that there an objectively better choice for any given metric you care to look at. It just may not be that big a difference to worry about for the average consumer or even average PC enthusiast.
Update on my build my evga ftw3 hybrid 2080ti fried after a week so I replaced it with the Aorus 2080ti full water cooled water force the one with included radiator and fans it like barely fit in my mATX I had to like mod some stuff a little but so far it’s perfect though I need to find a place for an extra fan as the setup will sometimes hit 70 degrees under intense load
aio doesnt leak 99.9% guaranteed. It is almost like saying the liquid in the heat pipes will leak from an air cooler. I get that a d15 or d14 is better than a 240mm aio, but they look fucking ugly and beefy. corsair aio is so much nicer and very quiet
My philosophy has always been to choose the simplest designs that work! My recent purchase of an air cooler for my 5900 was a no-brainer. I am no PC cooling expert, but when you have to concern yourself with Fan Performance + Cooling Fluid Evaporation + Cooling Leakage from RAD and/or tubes + Pump performance, the complexity of AIO cooling solutions led me to stick with the tried, tested and true air cooling method. Fluid and electronics don't mix! Call me old school, but I can sleep at night without worrying about a defective AIO damaging my PC. The cost of replacing components is one thing, but the cost of lost productivity and stress is another!
@Cuong Tang agreed! The complexity and the risk do not support the benefits. Everything I have seen does not show an advantage to water cooling. Still need fans to cool the rad.
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 Yeah imagine, for the price of an CM Watercooling setup, i can near build a new PC (with no GPU) i still use an Alpenföhn Matterhorn CPU Air Cooler since about 10 Years no Problems at all. sorry for my English im from Switzerland.
@@g0tsp33d corsair is good lol, not the best but good, and the better stuff is double the cost. air cooling is simply better in every way except looks.
@@g0tsp33d I said the same thing but I was bit more vocal and broke it down! Linus is a Noctua fan-boy plain and simple! There will never be a fair comparison if he has to go against a Noctua product.
i'm running a complete liquid cool dual rtx 2080ti - which are also liquid cooled etc. with a 480 mm radiator and 4 noctua fans - its dead silent. That same machine with fans was super noisy. You are not living a lie.
@@Doflaminguard "he doesnt recommend water cooling to non-professional pc tinkerers" By the amount of hardware he's dropped, he shouldn't be installing water coolers either then :D
Are you sure it isn’t custom water cooling? An aio is a couple thumb screws and a sealed system. Don’t really need to be a professional to hook that up
These types of All In One water coolers are not what a real PC nerd (like Linus) into this stuff would consider proper water cooling. They aren't a real representation. Proper water cooling is custom kits and loops where you pick out each individual part, with a reservoir and external pump. Not these tiny closed loop systems, where the pump is built into the waterblock. We are talking 15-20 degrees less than what any of these coolers can do, but those setups also cost 4-5 times as much, is much bigger, more complex and more of a hassle. Thats where all the buzz surrounding water cooling comes from. Not these cheap ones.
@@SimonWoodburyForget honestly, water cooling is better... Having dedication and proper knowledge and know how in water cooling (I.E. full water loops) keep a system cooler and can be over clocked longer with less performance drop off in the future... Air Cooling and Water cooling have their plus and minuses, but if you break it down as to which is better at it's job it is obviously water cooling, plain and simple.
@@EpIcBeardMan1994 when ur pump dies on a custom loop its a major. which is why i no longer have a custom loop. didnt even claim it under warranty, just said fuck this.
@@SimonWoodburyForget provide me visual proof of air being better then this crappy video where they just say it is then I'll believe you. Until then, a full water loop vs air cooling is always better at cooling.
You talk like water coolers just blow up after 2 years. What you paid in this ugly air cooler I got a water cooler with a double fan that for sure will last many years without making no noise at all.
I'm a bit surprised that Alex didn't manage to convince Linus that building an entire anechoic chamber for this project alone was an absolute necessity. xD
the liquid is non-conductive and harmless. actually, a large bulky mass fastened to a small-footprint socket essentially on a lever, should make you a lot more nervous)) many a socket had been ripped out of a motherboard that way...
I think this video is masterful. Considers a whole bunch of different measures and not just 'which has the best numbers'. The thing about having a more moveable computer with an AIO is a good thing to remember. Well done to Alex for the writing
There are 2 sides of Linus: The rich ass CEO thinking of crazy ideas with his fellow writers trying to water cool everything on sight And the other The sensible tech reviewer who has the money to try everything for the customer, armed with the knowledge to tell the customers what are sensible options for every budget.
Wow, I've only just got the NH-D15 and not by choice but because the Liquid Freezer 240 was out of stock. After watching this I am super happy with the Noctua 😁😁
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Getting rid of my car's water pump and installing a Noctua fan now.
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To be fair. There is a reason why aircooled 911s have more value than watercooled 911s.
"Alex has been working on this in isolation." Alex is clearly ahead of his time
To soon
i really thought this was recorded in 2020
*wHOOPS*
I went right to the comments when he said that lol
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“Alex has been testing in isolation”
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BRUH THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING
First thing that came to my mind lol
Bro the tear in that tissue roll 😵😵😵
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Hmmmmm
AIO watercoolers are great for small form factor builds: they are space saving and they are less prone to heat buildup which occurs in cases with small volume. That's definitely a worthy factor omitted in the testing that's done in the video showing a big tower with a huge case volume.
So they actually have a use besides just looking flashly? Btw i have to wonder who uses small cases? I have a big case
@@thewhitewolf58 small cases are more portable, take up less space, and are generally lighter. Also, they can have a nice cooling setup depending on how you set it up.
i have a mini itx that can fit a small aio i dont think those two big tower fans will fit in my case ill buy the aio im using the stock amd cooler and its fuckin shit cant even overclock my ryzen 5 3600
@@thewhitewolf58 They are people who live in vans. If you live in a van having a small mini-ITX case makes alot of sense. a huge tower is gonna be a pain in the pass to have if you live in a van.
@@thewhitewolf58 Building a PC right now, I decided against ITX purely because I want my computer to be a work machine as well and will require upgrades down the line. If I was only planning on gaming, I'd go ITX. More desk space!
Should I use water coolers?
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Yes, thats f crazy ,
See think :
For example a company gives u a gureentee of 2-3years , go for it
Also, air cooler heats up other parts if the air flow is bad
2 fans version is best
I just wana say that DONT BUY AIR COOLER
@@ankittayal8291 then just make sure the airflow isn't bad? quietness = ftw.
@@ankittayal8291 You sure are highly convincing but I have just one observation: you forgot to mention RGB lights that make everything better.
Wtf I just pour water over my pc every few minutes
Wtf I just drop ice on my pc every few minutes
I see no issues with this
@@okuyashoe_official i figured why buy a water cooler when u can do it yourself
Are you the verge guy?
Yeah man I just keep mine in the freezer drilled a few holes for the wires
Obviously leaving the computer turned off is the best way to cool your PC
No, direct immersion in a tank of liquid helium.
*smacks my head in disbelief
why DIdn't I thInK of That BEFORE
@@rattango9819 Because you keep smacking your head. That impedes the thought process.
Because of a video posted before: ruclips.net/video/B8bhGw4vUFE/видео.html
How about puting it on freezer?
This video made me think AIO's were crap. But seeing a new benchmark from Gamers Nexus indicates AIO's have improved greatly in 3 years... and the 2 fan 240/260 models are pretty quiet.
I had AIO since 2020 for i9-9940X and it can handle without any problem, also is very silent during compilation. The amount of heat it can blow off is impressive and I don''t believe that Noctua can do it on the same level, even overclocked.
I love and own corsair components but they have always been louder than the ugly noctuas.
@@aaronaaronson2095 noctua have fans and even a heatsink in all black now or just paint them like everyone else
@@shaggydoggs Unfortunately chromax blacks sell at a higher premium depending on when you're buying. I've settled for the dog puke brown and just stopped looking at my computer
@@aaronaaronson2095 The 10 buck or whatever premium is worth it for me.
me: buys a watercooler and builds it into my rig
RUclips, literally the same day: recommends this Video
Same dude. Now im thinking of returning it and buying a Noctua
Isn't it easier and cheaper just to buy a faster CPU? Overclocked i3 with expensive watercooling vs i9 on air.
@@MarkLikesCoffee860 you'd have to just not research to even think of putting an i3 under an aio or water-cooling. Unless you're only after looks. It would be better to get a Ryzen 5 3600 or a 10th gen i5 and use the stock cooling.
@@MCHellshit if they would use proper fans on the aio's and not the stupid lowbudget high noise fans which get shipped with it and also make it a sandwich (4 - 6 fans on the aio) would get far better result than the noctua at any point
i have a setup like that and neither can i get my gpu nor cpu above 53°c at 60% fanspeed while gaming in 4k and having gpu overclocked massivly. Using 11 Noctua fans in my entire rig and nope its not noisy at all.
If it makes you feel any better, I just watched this video *before* dropping $145 on an AIO that I saw a review for yesterday.
Gamers: Wears headphones and uses mechanical keyboards. Also gamers: Ewww fan noise
Thank you. I was thinking the same
@@phronesis2471 Cherry is literally the market standard for mechanical switches, what the fuck are you talking about?
Ok, I saw this discussion coming.
Not all mechanical keyboards are loud, we know that. I believe this comment was just a funny remark on how enthusiats sometimes focus too much on something and ignore others.
(and that noise is not that much of an issue if you use good headphones most of the time)
@@phronesis2471 and if I shit in the bucket I get you.
By the way, who do you think is the best switch manufacturer then?
I have open back headphones and my old gpu was hella loud and I could hear it over my game and keyboard.
**takes off headphones**
Wait . . . . My PC makes _noise?_
Why do you think no one can understand you on mic?
@@shawarden use a program with filters like OBS, solves problem and even make sound better...jesus its 2019...
@@1VirSUS1r/woooosh
@@1VirSUS1 some people use speakers/and talk to people in roms with computer on, background noise is annoying
@@RhysClark97 tahts why i said you use programs...filter the noise, its doing a decent job at it
The point you said about heat pipes fundamentally being liquid is spot on. You can absorb much much more heat through phase change than you can through direct convection only. Those little heat pipes can conduct hundreds of watts of heat with only a few degrees drop across their length. And there's probably as much fin surface area as the radiators.
You also have to account for air flow over said surface area, aka the number of fans
Linus: "why you shouldn't water cool a pc"
Also linus: "we water cooled a gaming chair!"
Why are you here?
Why am i here?
Why youtube does this?
Well it's not a PC is it now
So humans out put more heat then a PC? I don't think so dumbass
OPG Aquatics humans put out around 98.9 degrees
@@theguywithanobjective482 Not even close to a CPU
i really like many fans in my pc... so loud it overtones my parents arguing...
Babu Kun felt this
100.000 RPM for my parents
HAHAHA
You can help the over tune by putting your GPU fan speed to 100%. Just ask my GTX 460.
so true relate my own experience haha
Every video: So you're building a new pc.
Me:No. I'm not
but you think about it when youre watching :P
200th liker👍🏽
10,000 subscribers without any videos if u wanna cop a pre built
@10,000 subscribers without any videos No. It's not
@10,000 subscribers without any videos or they are just subscribed to Linus?
I’d like to see tests done with mid and small tower set ups. I’ve always figured water cooling would only provide superior cooling in tight spaces with higher ambient temps.
Not at all. Try and air cool a gen 13 or 14 900K unit that does transcoding.
Linus: "Why you shouldn't water cool your PC"
Also Linus: "Water Cooling a TI-84 Graphing Calculator"
Well...he didnt watercool his pc
@@lorelo. A calculator has a CPU and RAM in it so it is kinda a computer
At the end of the day your computer is a just a calculator anyway
That's because water cooling wins in the most important metric... Views.
But It Wasn't PC Tho
Noctua is going to make fat sales off this video LOL
True.
..and aside from their color scheme.. they deserve it. :D
That's what brand loyalty and pleasing your customers does for your business.
alpenföhn aircoolers are pretty much on-par and cheaper...
you cant argue with the fans performance its the cost and color scheme that keep me from buying one
They're already recognized as top tier coolers.
But the people who would buy the RGB AIOs won't care about performance.
Tech companies: Sell shit products by paying for ads
Noctua: Gets free advertisement by making actually good products
Tech companies: **surprised Pikachu face**
yea, amazed at the amount of suckers in the world that buy PC water cooled stupidity when a good laptop will do it all.
@@tropicthndr found the sucker lol
Agree. I've long said that if marketed right. A turd wrapped in decorative foil will sell.
So much "stuff" is designed only to "SELL."
Silent Studios
If you want a powerful PC but are extremely mobile from day to day
I can't get a laptop with an I7 7700k and 32GB DDR4, liquid metal on the cpu with water-cooling, and a GTX 1080TI and a 32" wide screen. @@VanguardX
My last build was AIO and the one I'm building now will also be AIO. I had previously rocked air using nothing but Noctua. Honestly, both applications work for me. I prefer AIO for the noise levels being pretty much ambient to non-existent. Sure it's pricier, but honestly the AIO cooling solutions we have now are pretty nice for the price.
I just switched to the Kraken Z73 AIO from a Noctua fan and my temps dropped 25-30 degrees. Either Noctua sucks, or liquid cooling is just that much better
@@holleringsmith3837 going all air really requires a great case to get anywhere near what water cooling gets you. If I ever go back to air, it will be with the fractal design torrent case. Kraken is a cool AIO! I went with EKWB with my new build. Cools the 12900K like a champ. 🤙🏻
@@holleringsmith3837 That big a difference either means your case has god awful air flow, your ambient temps are really high, you chose the wrong air cooler for your cpu, or you didn't have the noctua cooler mounted properly.
Been using the small ones from Corsair.. The H60 model... Never failed me.. CPU Temp never climbs out of 54Celsius on full load... on idle it stays at 32 also super quiet
@@PlayinWithGhosts I have a fractal design torrent and a noctua nhu 12s my temps reach 48 degrees when I'm rendering so it's a beast of a case 🙌🙌
I aspire to reach the point in life where I can build a bean bag quiet room and call it work.
Don't we all?
Resisting the temptation to take a nap is work all in itself.
I aspire to reach the point in life where I can sleep in a bean bag quiet room and call it work.
..
"No one come in here I am taking a nap.. ugh... measurements"
And where do you put that on your resume?
It’s depressing when I realise that 90% of the time I’m tinkering with my pc, it’s even more depressing when I realise that I prefer tinkering with my pc than gaming on it
mbntr you’re not alone
I hate the tinkering. I just want it to be over
Try tinkering with others computers. Make a hobby of it. If you like doing it, keep going
Me with modding Skyrim, I enjoy more modding it and making everything works than actually playingmy modded Skyrim.
@@thedead456321 I know right
I'm so triggered!
They should have gotten you to do a custom 480+240 loop or something.
JayzTwoCents i just knew you would be responding to this video.
response video?
@@Maznweater He did a similar video, comparing the watercooled test bench with a Noctua D15, and the results were not much different.
OMG! YOU ARE FAMOUS RUclipsR!!!!!!!!!!!!
A friend of mine mounted his desktop components on the wall of his bedroom since he didn't like the fact of heat generating components being in a small contained space isn't a good idea. So he had a window unit that kept the room at around 60 degrees and mounted the computer hardware on the wall with L brackets. Worked very well and was also a secondary lighting for the room.
What the hell
Rip dust
60degrees? so he was cooking himself ? dafuq
@@BurnoutWien60 degrees in Freedom units, so 15 degrees Celsius.
Distance directly effects data bandwidth and power fluctuations. Not a bad idea, but the gpu, cpu abd mobo are going to be all within a predetermined distance
This is where poor people like me who can't afford water cooling come to feel better
Yea i have a gaming pc not water cooled but i came here to feel good
I have my cpu overclocked with a stock intel cooler @85% all time.
At least you're not one of those people who spent above average money installing a shitty AIO water cooler that costs more than air and does its job worse. AIO crowd are like the kind of people who spend thousands of extra dollars buying the optioned-out Camry covered in fake vents and lip-kits and quad-exhaust tips: it's all for show, and they just don't realize how dumb the show looks. Don't feel bad about running a well-thought-out air cooling solution-- it just means you're not stupid.
@@justinquisitive7226 mmmm Zalmann
Not poor at all. I just don`t need unneeded rubbish inside of my pc. If it makes you feel superior...by all means go for it. The only issue is, as evidenced by your comment, water cooler users come off as something similar to vegans. Bloody hell indeed! LOL
Linus: Why you shoudn't water cool your PC.
Also Linus: Builds every PC with watercooling
Because it looks much better. I think most people know this, you are trading reliability and safety of your internal components for aesthics. People do it in every aspect of life.. just hopefully not in an ER room.
@@Glorious_Kim_Jong_Un Or in 99.99% to show off to others. Humans are miserable!
He makes videos for money, doesn’t mean it’s all correct.
Its a bit like Lewis Hamilton giving reasons why people should not drive at 200 mph
@Bob Saget must have some ugly ass stuff
Linus: Why you shouldn't water cool your PC.
Linus: Nearly every build he does is water cooled.
I was about to comment on that especially in regards to his $5k build one.
Then his next video why water cooling is better than air Cooling make up your goddamn mind dude
He says it directly: using their computer (us, mostly) as opposed to tinkering with their computer (them, and some of us). I thought that was clear enough
tbf he likes to tinker with his pc whereas most people want to build it and forget about it for as long as possible and just use it.
Also, I bet a loop with pump reservoir and blocks probably far outperforms AIOs
Also don't forget modern AIO has come a long way. Alphacool's newer models are basically custom watercooling for everyone as you can easily expand the system, add a second pump (also good in case the first fails), additional radiators etc. And all pretty much plug and play.
A GPU CPU combo still costs 500 bucks from them tho
@@marlo8850 If you're going for dual radiators. Just adding a CPU cooler to an existing GPU cooling setup is a bit cheaper and often sufficient.
Gamers: I hate case noise!
Also gamers: Sound canceling headphones at 110% sound whoring at 120db
i hate headphones, i play 95% of my time with speakers ^^.
That’s exactly why I don’t care about the sound. Plus the graph he used for the decibel chart is misleading. 20 decibels is I believe 10 times louder than 10 decibels. Same core 20 and 30 and so on.
who the fuck uses sound canceling headphones?
@@Pepe-dq2ib me. Good quality sennheisers
@@Handlehandleistaken no such thing as good sounding noise canceling headphones. I doubt it sounds any good as their every level HD 6XX that you can get for $160 on sale.
Side effect of silent builds is that you notice how loud the ambient world actually is. Dang leaves rustling!
Not when you live in a city lol, I need my PC to be as loud as possible to drown out the noises of honking cars and shouting people outside :D
@@flex_ible Kind of what I'm saying! A silent PC in an area with heavy traffic and paper thin walls isn't exactly a high priority (though I'd still go as silent as possible) :)
I had a spare 3.5” drive to put in my build for some extra storage. It lasted about a day before I ripped it back out because it was all I could hear.
Yea thats why I never really worked to hard on the silent aspect. Theres so much going on around me constantly, that the computer is still the quietest piece of the puzzle haha
Same: When I bought my Chevy Volt, "Damndable tire noise!"
I was just discussing this with a coworker. Talking about water coolers at the water cooler.
Syncronisties Mr. Crowley
Never thought id see a Thelema symbol over here
Your fired AF.
Custom loop with a water cooler as the reservoir.
Booooooooo!
I think in the past liquid cooling in its infancy was better only because air cooling wasn't using heatpipes or not using heatpipes effectively. But now the use of heatpipes for cpu cooling has matured. Liquid cooling has the advantage of high heat capacity, but heat pipes has the advantage of latent heat of vaporization (of water inside the heatpipes) and conducts heat incredibly fast.
There are 3 types of cooling:
Air
Water
Noctua
correction:
There are 4 types of cooling:
Air
Leaky bois
Less leaky bois
Vodka
When you drink vodka it worms you up so
@@bossjulian_ I've never heard of vodka worming someone
Alcochol makes you dont feel cold so much
@@bossjulian_ correct another fun fact it also decreases your bodies ability to actually retain heat believe it or not .
Coming back to this after taking a few physics courses I am realizing that the time it takes for the liquid inside the AIO to move to the plate it actually has time to warm up and because of the way a heat to cold pressure system works it is mixing temperature. Having the fans so close to the pipes it cools faster with less pressure required. Really neat.
Ya it's a known issue that all liquid coolers take longer to cool. You only really start seeing the cooling effect further after putting a heavy load. You can see the cooling almost instantly with heat pipes. What that translates to in a graph if you side-by-side the same CPU with the different cooling systems where you go from idle to max load is the water cool will have a hump in the temp where the heat pipes remains linear in it's thermal readings.
The other thing that they pointed out here that I too have observed. The 3 fan radiators in ALL brands (not just Corsair) perform worst than the 2 fan radiator closed loop system counter-parts. I have no idea why this is happening but it is real.
I've tested a number of brands with a threadripper. Enermax, Corsair, Deepcool, just to name a few... ALL of them the 2 fan shorter radiator greatly out performs the 3 fan. I am so lost on why.
When my pc reaches 110 degrees I turn off my heater and use the pc heat.
My laptop shuts off at 67 or so degrees C :(
Dead Inside and Out rip
@@deadinsideandout9292 my laptop goes to 100 celsius before the gpuz temperature counter stops counting. A simple trick I learned to bring temps down is to raise my laptop on each corner so that it isnt flat on the table. that prevents heat buildup below it
110 degrees?! And I am worried if it reaches 80...
When my pc reaches 40 degrees I'm already scared I would get a panic attack if I saw urs
I have one PC with an AIO and one without.
Getting my hands around parts that are near the CPU such as the m.2 SSD or RAM is so much easier with the AIO since it doesn’t take up space near the CPU socket.
Trying to get your hands around anything with the CPU with an air cooler is pretty annoying.
Boris already taught us that a great PC must be cooled with Vodka
Yes dear comrade. Let the potatoes reign.
A fellow man of culture
For the Motherland
There ist a Video on RUclips with a Beer cooling
@@janschafer8173 jaaaa ich weiß xDD
Jayztwocents: *WHY U SHOULD WATERCOOL*
Linus after a few months: *WHY U SHOULDNT WATERCOOL*
Kingpin: *WHY YOU SHOULD DO LN2 COOLING*
so what hell i have to do??!!
Make up your own mind. As usual!
OMG dude jayztwocents is CUSTOM watercooling, and linus is saying AIOs. Jay doesn't recommend AIOs.
Look up optimum tech and you'll see its better to switch the fans than the shitty corsair fans
@@Zell717 Dont put any cooler in your cpu
Me: buys and AIO
YT: lets recommend him this video.
Me: :(
Dude, i have an AIO because my air cooler didn’t work as it should. My CPU was at 85 celsius, now with the AIO the cores are at max 60 and the overall temp is 36 at absolute max load. It works, its simple and it does its job. I am glad i have this watercooling system, its effective and just gets its job done. Also consider this: the H100 is one degree above the air cooler... its just one degree... so dont always listem to what they say. Their data might not be corrupted by any opinion, but the point of the video was to prove water cooling sucks. If you feel bad look up videos about Pros and you find a different opinion. As long as it does its job and you like it, it doesn’t matter really
I would suggest GamerNexus video on AIO orientation, just in case you're experiencing bubbling sounds and feel it is louder.
True
@Gr3gor bruh
@@kreb9721 aesthetics make performance better bro I swear, RGB bumps my FPS up by like 60
I used to liquid cool... AIOs, then moved on to custom loops with soft tubing, then on to doing builds with rigid PETG tubing, etc... Now I just stick with a Noctua NH-D15. Got sick of permeation on AIOs rendering them useless after a while, doing maintenance on custom loops (disassembling a PETG run is a pain in the ass), etc. A good air cooler with a graphite thermal pad gets you 90% of the way there and you don't have to do a damn thing to maintain it. No repasting, no nothing. Blast it with some compressed air once in a while if you're feeling generous. That's it.
using a graphite thermal pad instead of something like the kingping or the kryonaut or even the nt-h2 its actually very strange
You can tell he is popular. Just look at all his fans!
LOL
LMAO
Underrated
R/technicallytrue
I love fan jokes
"You shouldn't water cool your PC" Linus : water cools all his PC's
Rati Jugeli h m m m m
he said he water cools it because he likes the "cleaner look" because you can mount water coolers higher and are less out of site and you can see your motherboard and maybe led lights (if you add some) more better but air coolers are much better than water coolers I agree especially price wise
Do what i say, not what i do. - LTT
3celsius = It's not even close. Could be anything from TIM to airpockets, Like how do you suppose that they eliminated all the variables in their setup when the radiator is mounted differently with relation to airflow, along with what sounds like a jank setup with HVAC and shit.
I think the biggest and most beneficial aspect of the AIO, is not the cooling performance, it is infact the clearance hassle that you fucking get from big fucking fans and heatsinks, which there is no way to fucking know for sure if you have clearance until you get something shipped to you, only to find out, FUCK It doesnt fit. Or you're literally risking damaging your board to push ram at an angle, or forcing stuff in, having to completely dismount your whole CPU, just to change ram.
Honestly, Cry more about 3Celsisus, when you're building a pc and dont wanna fuck around with "Does it fit", AIO wins everytime. Unless your board is awkward as fuck, There's no way you can't find a way to mount an AIO (where the radiator fits), in a case with any board. Who cares about temps when you're trying to figure out which spacehog is gonna fit in your particular case, with your particular board, with your particular ram. Unless you wanna go the safest route and copy some kid's setup by the piece, which means you gotta stalk some forums for someone who isn't bullshitting you.
Linus always warns us not be like him
what do we do?
copy Linus.
just don't start dropping your shit :D
Every ten minutes I urinate on my CPU cooler to assert dominance. Temps stable at 32degC
You made my day. 👍
Thank you.
Omg 😂
What happens if you try to overclock CPU?
Dominance Asserted, good job soldier
pro
Gotta give him that NOC-TUA, and paste on that thang!
@@KOVIK this video is literally 5 years old
We all know why there's a tissue roll sitting right next to a pc in an awfully quiet room that prevents noise from being heard outside.
I paused this video at just before 5 minutes and proceed to scroll down looking for this exact comment. I knew it was here. I don't even know why I came looking for it.
Kevin Fischer I came here for that myself too
@@kevinfischer4759 I did the same thing lmao
Dirty Sanchez with the crustache
Tastor yes, only virgins masturbate. this is science.
A sound insulated room..
An eager young man..
Kitchen towels beside the pc screen...
Just like my room used to be.
its obviously to to clean up water spills in the case and to silence his screams of rage from playing Dark Souls
Ironic Medic OBVIOUSLY
I'm glad they're taking the problem of gamer gunk seriously.
*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
makes sense:
AIO water cooling is basically just heatpipes that use water
given the case was already cool inside due to lots of space and intake fans the noctoa was gonna kick-ass.
would be curious to see this tried with a less well ventilated case or small form factor build
Not really tho because the heatsinks are usually much larger, or at least can be, in water coolers. Something is definitely wrong with their testing because in cooler benchmarks AIO's are always ahead. And the bigger the AIO the better. I don't know what this non-sense is that their 240 performed better than a 360. It goes against basic physics.
That's the principle of any watercooling method. Well at least those without any form of compressor actually cooling the water.
It's just that the radiators of AIO watercoolers are pretty bad.
Cooling comes down simply to surface area and heat distribution over said area. With water you can theoretically transport heat better but if it ends up with just running two pipes through some short metal blade it's never going to compete with a smart setup of heatpipes running through a much wider area. unless you have a ridiculously well designed radiator, a huge case that fits a huge radiator or even better an external radiator even custom watercooling won't get you that much better results. Well at least until you get to the point where the airflow to the parts that need cooling is obstructed. IN those cases watercooling is a necessity.
Ventilation makes almost no difference, shockingly. Unless you completely block flow, the difference is almost immeasurable.
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@@Kennorx My custom loop brought my GPU temps from 80c to 40c under load with a much heavier overclock. Not that big of a difference? Oh and its much quieter.
Sure maybe the radiators were just bad in these Corsair ones but they're obviously not all bad. Look at other benchmarks. All the AIOs are at the top, all the air coolers are at the bottom. Pretty much everywhere else says the D15 is on par with a 240 AIO but is easily beaten by a 360. www.anandtech.com/show/6830/cpu-air-cooler-roundup-six-coolers-from-noctua-silverstone-and-cooler-master/4
www.legitreviews.com/noctua-nh-d15-air-cpu-cooler-review_169205/5
@@KarfontaAlec We're not talking about custom loops though, we're talking about AIOs.
Heat dissapation is created by surface area, the Noctua has A LOT of surface area in its fins to create more dissapation. Measure overall surface area and you will get an idea of cooling effectiveness.
*5 months later* "Why you should water cool your pc."
Just wait for a new sponsor
10 months later "Why you should fan cool you pc".
@@genegieb9153 air*
LOL I AIO'D MY 1080TI TOO!
12 later: Why I'm selling my pc
Linus: "But performance isn't everything..."
Me: "Yes it is."
Im not liking u cause u have 69 likes
69 likes lmao
By the time I saw this the number had changed....to 69x2 likes!
Not related but I like the 12 oz. Mouse profile pic lmao
so world of tanks missed the oportunity of using the code LinusTankTips?
Weegee isnt very smart sometimes...
@@boomznbladez405
Wg is greedy
@@hassanlabyad4082 yeah they are... 76$ for a ship in WoWS is absurd...
@@boomznbladez405
90$ for a tank
That they souldn't sell and promised to not sell
But yet they do it
@@hassanlabyad4082 at least warships will remove ships and stop selling the ones they say they will... God damn Belfast lol
The video brings up an important point - its all context. Some things perform better than others despite fan or water or size. I have always know that some smaller AIOs perform better than bigger AIOs.
“You first need to figure out if your cpu needs more cooling” * glances over to stock intel cooler*. * continues watching
🤣
bwahahahaha
Lmfao my cpu just got fried so I’m watching this
Stock coolers are straight trash
@@mikerzisu9508 agreed.
*laughs in AMD stock cooler*
Wraith prism ?
@@thias1 or spire, i think
Spirebro
Which processor you have if have r7 or r9 then it's wraith prism if it's r5 then stealth
Stock cooler on R5 3600 is pure crap. My CPU is idling at 47 degrees. Looking for good options. I run python programs which hit 100 % utilization on single core , which is roughly 11% utilization on all cores. The temperatures hit 75 .
Water and air cooling is a rookie mistake, concrete cooling is the pro way to go
@The Fifth Freedom did you not watch that video?
@The Fifth Freedom you didn't watch that video 😂😂😂
you finally found a way to fill up that emptiness you call a head...good for you
Nah man. Sink cooling.
@@constantinclipa1360 go watch the video 😂
I still use the Noctua NH-U12A (Chromax Black version) in a ton of my custom builds for customers. The performance is awesome!
Hmmm, sound deadening room, monitor obscured and roll of tissue. You SURE that testing was happening?
I give a good wank in my office all the time, no big deal.
@@Fighter4Street Two birds with one stone .. Cause afterwards you clean you' re keyboard with it ..
Testing was fappening for sure...
pornhub 4k stress test
It helps reduce the moaning of fans and the mess from all the people coming in that room
Hi Linus, my 4 year old daughter wants to say hi and that her name is Anna. She is confused as to why we can t visit you right now since we live on the island. So I told her that we would write to you instead. so Hello from Anna.
Kidna wholesome
@@watermelonfriut6250 wholesome rare but good
@@theworldisdepressing4620 word
Corona?
Umm what
Me using liquid nitrogen to cool my laptop: *I like your funny words magic man*
big brain time
‐321°F's for your frozen laptop.
@@StefanVeenstra shahhhh right! I'm like OC to a jillion!
Better is protoplanetary Boomerang Nebula that's what I use I had to travel 5.000 lightyears but it's ok
@@StefanVeenstra actually, I have the rx 5700 xt, which means that my junction temperature is still 80 degrees
Wild coming back to this after watching Labs tour videos and seeing just how far LMG has come in a few short years.
One other advantage of water cooling is that in more compact computers the small pad is a lot easier to fit on the motherboard than a massive air cooler.
True, I just went from a be quite dark rock pro 4 to a Corsair h100i pro RGB xt and now I don’t have to do a painful cooler removal to clean dust out
the credit should go to those Noctua A12x25 fans. They are amazing on any cooler. Try them on an AiO and see how it performs.
@ulhurusurf club chill out
ulhurusurf club WHAT GHZ ARE U AT
Too bad they are ugly.
MankeyMark ugly as fuck
They also have black and gray fans.
I had a 9 year old Noctua cooler laying around. Slapped it on a new computer / home server that runs 24/7 and it works. I'm not sure if I would trust a 9 year old AIO.
My original NH-U-12P didnt even come with a 1366 kit and it has gone from Nehalem to Ryzen2 (mainly to save power). I would have bought something better but they havent made it yet ;)
And i am dead sure i wouldnt trust a 9yo AIO. Evaporation will have occurred, and it's unlikely the biocide is THAT good. Any rubber will have started to decay.
@@mycosys Same for me. Bought mine in 2008 and replaced the original fan with the new A12 PWM in my Ryzen build after running fine for 10 years.
Considering my AIO had a pump failure recently and is, I think less than 3 years old, yeah, they have a few issues.
The irony is I had to revert to using a stock intel cooler that dates back 10 years, and that still works as well as it ever did. (which is mediocre, but you know. Functional.)
@@KuraIthys I have a 11 year old corsairs H60 It's been in 2 pc's and is still working great on a 2600k. I got a Corsair H150 in my new built and it's silent even under full load in a be quite pro 900, 9800k @ 5ghz with 1.29 v
if you are using a
'9 year old" any piece of tech, in your rig, maybe its time to just stick with consoles..
I built my first pc 5 years ago and installed a Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler and I am so happy with it. I also went with a semi larger case that was completely closed but it has amazing airflow and stays cool. In comparison, my boyfriend went with a pretty AIO cooler and a very small white case with see through panel that looks really good BUT his pc gets much hotter and is so noisy! While it looks good, it doesn’t seem to cool nearly as good as mine. I will continue getting Noctua fans!
Thank you Linus, instead of buying a water cooler I installed a dedicated HVAC system and ordered 25 bean bags.
did you also install more RAM?
"After a long load, it's performance might not be as impressive..."
I know what you mean bro
underrated comment
I've been using my signature dust cooling system open case for the past 10 years 90ºC on idle
sounds decent. mine sometimes peaks at the 100C mark when turned off
edit: oh wait nvm i forgot to plug in the cpu fan
@The Fifth Freedom what
90C idle, nice. That 10C delta under load is WAY better than any custom cooler I've ever seen.
Crazy how much the videos and quality have changed over the years for LMG
Instead of water, use 100% PURE Russian Air!
Freezes your computer to death!
Also nazis
*Laughs in Nordic*
in soviet russia... fan cools you
There they are, the "Meanwhile in Soviet Russia," jokes......
@@timoconnell7194 in Soviet Russia.. you cool fan
Old McTechTips had a water cooler.
A-I A-I-O
i love this comment.
Then Alex beat him with some air.
A-I A-I-O
@@moonshot9056 the joke is AIO, alll in one
Im Unsatisfied r/woooosh
@@moonshot9056 😂
I've been doing HVAC for several years. I love learning all different styles heating and cooling applications. I just built a computer out of fun for removing heat from the system.
And just like the HVAC industry, the PC building industry is rife with con artists and scammers upcharging for every small thing.
@@smellypatel5272 that's the capitalist way. It's called profit. There's this thing called overhead you have to charge for. If a part is 100 dollars you also have to charge for labor, insurance, gas, and alot of other things aswell, that's why a 100 dollar part ends up costing 3 to 5 hundred. It's just how it is.
@@NateTheGreat-ij9dx that's a generic excuse used to justify unethical, illegal and scummy practices that result in these professions/industries getting paid way more than they deserve. Nice try.
@@smellypatel5272 if you don't like the price there's multiple companies that offer the same thing. That's the beauty of capitalism. Competition leads to lower prices. Just because you have a victim mindset dosent mean that the system is broken.
@@NateTheGreat-ij9dx except the industry is unionized, there are no checks on your work, and the information is highly esoteric to your average customer. All things you're aware of and take advantage of when overcharging for menial work.
I nearly damaged my new Graphics card, my CPU and my Motherboard with the installing/removal process of my 120mm Tower air cooler being extremely difficult. I got VERY lucky nothing got permanently damaged. I bought the AIO for that reason alone. It REALLY cleaned the build up. Even being a cheap but trusty local brand. Yes, I have nightmares of it leaking, but there's warranty for that
a locked room, a pc and a big roll of paper towels...hmmm....
share us your story will you!?
@@lol2315189 Yoda is that you?
Big clue there.
That's me after 3 years of marriage
Tohid Alipour And bean bags....even bigger...HMMM...
buys AIO before going to work, works, comes home and sees a video by Linus telling me not to buy an AIO...fml
Just return it and get a noctua cooler. Noctua is better than any AIO in every way except maybe looks which is subjective.
But does it really matter? If you enjoy tinkering with your computer just keep those expectations you had up and enjoy the ride. I always hate the "SHOULD'VE BOUGHT THIS LOL" comments. If you're having fun with it and the performance is good, why would it matter?
im just playing i wanted it anyway to go with my new razer case (got the thermaltake floe with some extra fans) just find it funny on the day i buy im told not to
Keep it, AIOs are great. Some are quiter and cooler than air coolers and they look really clean. I have an NZXT cooler and I love it.
*AIO
A room full of bright beanbag chairs:
Linus: *Ghetto*
Hannibal: whack
Ghetto because its a quick hap hazard way to sound proof
Ghetto blaster
@@komakozeee said at the wrong time around the right people still could have gotten the shit slapped out of him.
Some ppl,prefer these bean bag chairs in their den/livingroom but I'll never understand why
The surch search.. I do love a bit of self-deprecating humour. Gave me a big grin.
The frequency of the noise is also very important. I bought an EVGA All-In-One 240mm cooler and while quiet enough the frequency of the noise from the fans was driving me nuts. I replaced them with some Noctua fans and have been good since.
Frequency? You mean pitch?
Hey I did the same lol
@@smugmode they're interchangeable in this context. Frequency is a quantity of pitch, like how temperature is a quantity of heat.
EoS no he means frequency lmao, never heard of sound frequencies?
Yep usually the stock fans that come with AIO's are crap, adding most cost to replace them.
My recomended list:
Linus: Why you shouldnt water cool your pc
Linus: BEST WATER COOLED GAMING PC EVER
i dont see the problem..
@@La_sagne That'd be because you are a dish, and as such have no insight into the world outside of my digestive system.
did you watch the whole video?
The whole thing is just about how each have their advantages and disadvantages depending on your situation and what you're looking for. thus why it';s called why YOU shouldn't water cool. they give reasons why you may not want to choose water cooling depending on what you need.
@@Criminalupper2200 Guy
Take the joke
@@matiashogden1240 NEVER
Me: comes in thinking I’ll decide which cooling I want
Me after video: still don’t know
Acropolis same
Tbh, I would still go for water cooling. It performs better than most air coolers and looks super sick. Just don't destroy your PC while installing it.
Alright here is the case.
The Air cooler proven to be better at cooling that a 360mm radiator, but the downside is that heavy movement or packaging is going to bend the Mobo thanks to air radiator weight.
So if you move your case, buy water cooling or use Intel stock cooler since it's pretty light u know.
But in my case i got a 780T corsair Case and i bought a 360mm water cooler, i put it on top and now it acts as an Exhaust fan
Case is underpressured, since now i got 4 120mm(3 on top and one in the back) setup as exhaust, while 2 140mm and a 1 120mm on bottom acting as intake.(which means my case is running cooler but dust may gather here and there).
I think my next build will be a 120mm radiator, might go micro case too
@@randomguydoes2901 i actually got the noctua nh d15 not too long ago. thanks for making it feel like i made the right descision :)
@Warm Soft Kitty Mate, this comment is two months old. Now there are better air coolers, like the new noctuas.
10:50 FINALLY how does literally NO ONE talk about coolers and moving around a PC, THANK YOU.
12:44 its okay linus. you can use the word "poor". we are not offended.
Nah fuck all that
We’re too poor to have time to be offended
@@Killopotamus poor in time
the word poor is too uncanadian
poor is a mentality. we are BROKE
8:02 You guys do this in a lot of your graphs. I don't have these product numbers memorized, could you plz put up a picture next to the name so I know what I'm looking at? Or overlay the names on the screen where you show them all on the table.
(edit) Lol they fixed it at 8:47
For Corsair AIOs, every 50 is a 120mm fan (H50/H60 is 1, H100i is 2, H150 is 3). I will agree that the Noctua cooler ones are a bit less easy to memorize, though.
Hmmm, wonder what they did at 8:47 then?
i hope they do! nice idea. i also wish they would level the volume of their intro so it isnt louder than the rest of the bideo
@@freedomsflame688 noctua, bigger number, bigger metal
weakness disgusts me.
I would love to see a follow-up video comparing different companies AIO's since they do have slight differences which do lead to measurably different results in temperature. Also the same but with air coolers.
i have felt the same. Just bought a arctic freezer 240 for my 7600x ill let yall know
@@Dexteritas55 you didnt
+1
@@Dexteritas55 guessing it wasnt any good lol
Went through 3x Corsair h100i's over about 7-8 years. I Bought Noctua NH-D15S, it is almost 20c cooler. not had an issue since.
AIOs do have their benefits, especially in mATX or ITX builds. They outperform air coolers in tight spaces where hot residual air from the GPU affects temps.
Overall a matter of preference.
Which he addressed when he mentioned the size of the case they are using.
Yeah I just built a mATX x299 using the EVGA aio 280mm water cooler and a evga 2080ti hybrid and gaming ultra my cpu was at like 55 maybe 60 max but I don’t think my cpu was like fully OC like I’m honestly kinda just learning how to OC using MSI software
They have benefits in limited circumstances but for the average user building in a normal mid tower case there isn't much benefit though its more down to aesthetics and personal preference
Well, generally a matter of preference with the caveat being that there an objectively better choice for any given metric you care to look at. It just may not be that big a difference to worry about for the average consumer or even average PC enthusiast.
Update on my build my evga ftw3 hybrid 2080ti fried after a week so I replaced it with the Aorus 2080ti full water cooled water force the one with included radiator and fans it like barely fit in my mATX I had to like mod some stuff a little but so far it’s perfect though I need to find a place for an extra fan as the setup will sometimes hit 70 degrees under intense load
I know I am almost two years late but, I feel like "Linus Tank Tips" would've been the perfect code for the sponsor.
That’s genius
The code was a global code not only for Linus
Lol
@@haferl6980 that's sad
Who would win?
Thousands of dollars of high tech electronics.
Or
One leaky boi.
aio doesnt leak 99.9% guaranteed. It is almost like saying the liquid in the heat pipes will leak from an air cooler. I get that a d15 or d14 is better than a 240mm aio, but they look fucking ugly and beefy. corsair aio is so much nicer and very quiet
Crossbone Vanguard haha, right
Btw do you know which pc case is that?
AIOs don't leak
@@SolidGreenDay
Rubber hose vs welded shut air coolers.
@@jxsilicon9 welded
My philosophy has always been to choose the simplest designs that work! My recent purchase of an air cooler for my 5900 was a no-brainer.
I am no PC cooling expert, but when you have to concern yourself with Fan Performance + Cooling Fluid Evaporation + Cooling Leakage from RAD and/or tubes + Pump performance, the complexity of AIO cooling solutions led me to stick with the tried, tested and true air cooling method.
Fluid and electronics don't mix! Call me old school, but I can sleep at night without worrying about a defective AIO damaging my PC. The cost of replacing components is one thing, but the cost of lost productivity and stress is another!
True words, think the same, fuck watercooling, its like a BMW nice car a lot of power, but shity parts allways headaches. So keep it simple.
@Cuong Tang agreed! The complexity and the risk do not support the benefits. Everything I have seen does not show an advantage to water cooling. Still need fans to cool the rad.
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 Yeah imagine, for the price of an CM Watercooling setup, i can near build a new PC (with no GPU) i still use an Alpenföhn Matterhorn CPU Air Cooler since about 10 Years no Problems at all.
sorry for my English im from Switzerland.
my life has been a lie
@@g0tsp33d corsair is good lol, not the best but good, and the better stuff is double the cost. air cooling is simply better in every way except looks.
Johnathan Era crazy just get a 300 cracken and you are set for a while 👍🏼
@@g0tsp33d I said the same thing but I was bit more vocal and broke it down! Linus is a Noctua fan-boy plain and simple! There will never be a fair comparison if he has to go against a Noctua product.
When
i'm running a complete liquid cool dual rtx 2080ti - which are also liquid cooled etc. with a 480 mm radiator and 4 noctua fans - its dead silent. That same machine with fans was super noisy. You are not living a lie.
Linus after literally installing thousands of PCs with liquid cooling.
"Why you shouldn't water cool your PC"
As he said in the video, he doesnt recommend water cooling to non-professional pc tinkerers.
@@Doflaminguard "he doesnt recommend water cooling to non-professional pc tinkerers"
By the amount of hardware he's dropped, he shouldn't be installing water coolers either then :D
Slav Giorno he doesn’t recommend CUSTOM water cooling
@@askellad9416 Yes AIO's are ok.
Are you sure it isn’t custom water cooling? An aio is a couple thumb screws and a sealed system. Don’t really need to be a professional to hook that up
Yes you should concrete cool it
Still using my NH-D15, 7 years and counting. Will use it in my next build this autumn too.
*Said the guy who tried to watercool everything in every way* 🤠
These types of All In One water coolers are not what a real PC nerd (like Linus) into this stuff would consider proper water cooling. They aren't a real representation. Proper water cooling is custom kits and loops where you pick out each individual part, with a reservoir and external pump. Not these tiny closed loop systems, where the pump is built into the waterblock. We are talking 15-20 degrees less than what any of these coolers can do, but those setups also cost 4-5 times as much, is much bigger, more complex and more of a hassle. Thats where all the buzz surrounding water cooling comes from. Not these cheap ones.
That's JayzTwoCents
@@SimonWoodburyForget honestly, water cooling is better... Having dedication and proper knowledge and know how in water cooling (I.E. full water loops) keep a system cooler and can be over clocked longer with less performance drop off in the future... Air Cooling and Water cooling have their plus and minuses, but if you break it down as to which is better at it's job it is obviously water cooling, plain and simple.
@@EpIcBeardMan1994 when ur pump dies on a custom loop its a major. which is why i no longer have a custom loop. didnt even claim it under warranty, just said fuck this.
@@SimonWoodburyForget provide me visual proof of air being better then this crappy video where they just say it is then I'll believe you. Until then, a full water loop vs air cooling is always better at cooling.
Love my Noctua D15. Superb cooling, excellent build quality, quiet, and will last a long time with no worries of pump failure or leaks.
But its ugly
@@lucaeric510 There is a sort of pride in sacrificing prettiness for functionality
@@lucaeric510 Be quiet Dark Rock Pro then. Roughly equivalent but all black.
@@lucaeric510 That's subjective. I think RGB fans are tacky and ugly but people love those.
You talk like water coolers just blow up after 2 years. What you paid in this ugly air cooler I got a water cooler with a double fan that for sure will last many years without making no noise at all.
I'm a bit surprised that Alex didn't manage to convince Linus that building an entire anechoic chamber for this project alone was an absolute necessity. xD
is the contact with the cpu of the nocturna aluminum or copper?
Very informative video! I went with a cooling fan for my PC as opposed to water cooling because liquid in a PC makes me nervous
the liquid is non-conductive and harmless. actually, a large bulky mass fastened to a small-footprint socket essentially on a lever, should make you a lot more nervous)) many a socket had been ripped out of a motherboard that way...
Based and 200iq
AIOs are a gimmick, only cork sniffers buy them imo
Just flip your pillow over, lol.
David Palomino just turn the earth 180 degrees for winter so it can cool down using nature
Turned my tower upside down; works great
Science!
XD made me laugh
wow.. it works. it also make noise more quieter, thanks!
I think this video is masterful. Considers a whole bunch of different measures and not just 'which has the best numbers'. The thing about having a more moveable computer with an AIO is a good thing to remember.
Well done to Alex for the writing
Linus: don’t water cool
Also Linus: uses water cooling for almost every build
oh
I mean he is rich.......
@@hellodigitalworld8224 he is
There are 2 sides of Linus:
The rich ass CEO thinking of crazy ideas with his fellow writers trying to water cool everything on sight
And the other
The sensible tech reviewer who has the money to try everything for the customer, armed with the knowledge to tell the customers what are sensible options for every budget.
Press X to doubt
Wow, I've only just got the NH-D15 and not by choice but because the Liquid Freezer 240 was out of stock. After watching this I am super happy with the Noctua 😁😁