Why you shouldn't water cool your PC
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- AIO water coolers seem to be all the rage, but we're here to tell you that big air coolers are where it's at. Probably.
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Getting rid of my car's water pump and installing a Noctua fan now.
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To be fair. There is a reason why aircooled 911s have more value than watercooled 911s.
"Alex has been working on this in isolation." Alex is clearly ahead of his time
To soon
i really thought this was recorded in 2020
*wHOOPS*
I went right to the comments when he said that lol
😂
AIO watercoolers are great for small form factor builds: they are space saving and they are less prone to heat buildup which occurs in cases with small volume. That's definitely a worthy factor omitted in the testing that's done in the video showing a big tower with a huge case volume.
So they actually have a use besides just looking flashly? Btw i have to wonder who uses small cases? I have a big case
@@thewhitewolf58 small cases are more portable, take up less space, and are generally lighter. Also, they can have a nice cooling setup depending on how you set it up.
i have a mini itx that can fit a small aio i dont think those two big tower fans will fit in my case ill buy the aio im using the stock amd cooler and its fuckin shit cant even overclock my ryzen 5 3600
@@thewhitewolf58 They are people who live in vans. If you live in a van having a small mini-ITX case makes alot of sense. a huge tower is gonna be a pain in the pass to have if you live in a van.
@@thewhitewolf58 Building a PC right now, I decided against ITX purely because I want my computer to be a work machine as well and will require upgrades down the line. If I was only planning on gaming, I'd go ITX. More desk space!
This video made me think AIO's were crap. But seeing a new benchmark from Gamers Nexus indicates AIO's have improved greatly in 3 years... and the 2 fan 240/260 models are pretty quiet.
I had AIO since 2020 for i9-9940X and it can handle without any problem, also is very silent during compilation. The amount of heat it can blow off is impressive and I don''t believe that Noctua can do it on the same level, even overclocked.
I love and own corsair components but they have always been louder than the ugly noctuas.
@@aaronaaronson2095 noctua have fans and even a heatsink in all black now or just paint them like everyone else
@@shaggydoggs Unfortunately chromax blacks sell at a higher premium depending on when you're buying. I've settled for the dog puke brown and just stopped looking at my computer
@@aaronaaronson2095 The 10 buck or whatever premium is worth it for me.
“Alex has been testing in isolation”
that tissue roll saw hell
BRUH THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING
First thing that came to my mind lol
Bro the tear in that tissue roll 😵😵😵
aaaaaaaaaaa
Hmmmmm
Wtf I just pour water over my pc every few minutes
Wtf I just drop ice on my pc every few minutes
I see no issues with this
@@okuyashoe_official i figured why buy a water cooler when u can do it yourself
Are you the verge guy?
Yeah man I just keep mine in the freezer drilled a few holes for the wires
The point you said about heat pipes fundamentally being liquid is spot on. You can absorb much much more heat through phase change than you can through direct convection only. Those little heat pipes can conduct hundreds of watts of heat with only a few degrees drop across their length. And there's probably as much fin surface area as the radiators.
You also have to account for air flow over said surface area, aka the number of fans
I’d like to see tests done with mid and small tower set ups. I’ve always figured water cooling would only provide superior cooling in tight spaces with higher ambient temps.
Linus would be a good computer science teacher... no doubt...
Not at all. Try and air cool a gen 13 or 14 900K unit that does transcoding.
Obviously leaving the computer turned off is the best way to cool your PC
No, direct immersion in a tank of liquid helium.
*smacks my head in disbelief
why DIdn't I thInK of That BEFORE
@@rattango9819 Because you keep smacking your head. That impedes the thought process.
Because of a video posted before: ruclips.net/video/B8bhGw4vUFE/видео.html
How about puting it on freezer?
Linus: "why you shouldn't water cool a pc"
Also linus: "we water cooled a gaming chair!"
Why are you here?
Why am i here?
Why youtube does this?
Well it's not a PC is it now
So humans out put more heat then a PC? I don't think so dumbass
OPG Aquatics humans put out around 98.9 degrees
@@theguywithanobjective482 Not even close to a CPU
My last build was AIO and the one I'm building now will also be AIO. I had previously rocked air using nothing but Noctua. Honestly, both applications work for me. I prefer AIO for the noise levels being pretty much ambient to non-existent. Sure it's pricier, but honestly the AIO cooling solutions we have now are pretty nice for the price.
I just switched to the Kraken Z73 AIO from a Noctua fan and my temps dropped 25-30 degrees. Either Noctua sucks, or liquid cooling is just that much better
@@holleringsmith3837 going all air really requires a great case to get anywhere near what water cooling gets you. If I ever go back to air, it will be with the fractal design torrent case. Kraken is a cool AIO! I went with EKWB with my new build. Cools the 12900K like a champ. 🤙🏻
@@holleringsmith3837 That big a difference either means your case has god awful air flow, your ambient temps are really high, you chose the wrong air cooler for your cpu, or you didn't have the noctua cooler mounted properly.
Been using the small ones from Corsair.. The H60 model... Never failed me.. CPU Temp never climbs out of 54Celsius on full load... on idle it stays at 32 also super quiet
@@PlayinWithGhosts I have a fractal design torrent and a noctua nhu 12s my temps reach 48 degrees when I'm rendering so it's a beast of a case 🙌🙌
A friend of mine mounted his desktop components on the wall of his bedroom since he didn't like the fact of heat generating components being in a small contained space isn't a good idea. So he had a window unit that kept the room at around 60 degrees and mounted the computer hardware on the wall with L brackets. Worked very well and was also a secondary lighting for the room.
What the hell
Rip dust
60degrees? so he was cooking himself ? dafuq
@@BurnoutWien60 degrees in Freedom units, so 15 degrees Celsius.
**takes off headphones**
Wait . . . . My PC makes _noise?_
Why do you think no one can understand you on mic?
@@shawarden use a program with filters like OBS, solves problem and even make sound better...jesus its 2019...
@@1VirSUS1r/woooosh
@@1VirSUS1 some people use speakers/and talk to people in roms with computer on, background noise is annoying
@@RhysClark97 tahts why i said you use programs...filter the noise, its doing a decent job at it
me: buys a watercooler and builds it into my rig
RUclips, literally the same day: recommends this Video
Same dude. Now im thinking of returning it and buying a Noctua
Isn't it easier and cheaper just to buy a faster CPU? Overclocked i3 with expensive watercooling vs i9 on air.
@@MarkLikesCoffee860 you'd have to just not research to even think of putting an i3 under an aio or water-cooling. Unless you're only after looks. It would be better to get a Ryzen 5 3600 or a 10th gen i5 and use the stock cooling.
@@MCHellshit if they would use proper fans on the aio's and not the stupid lowbudget high noise fans which get shipped with it and also make it a sandwich (4 - 6 fans on the aio) would get far better result than the noctua at any point
i have a setup like that and neither can i get my gpu nor cpu above 53°c at 60% fanspeed while gaming in 4k and having gpu overclocked massivly. Using 11 Noctua fans in my entire rig and nope its not noisy at all.
If it makes you feel any better, I just watched this video *before* dropping $145 on an AIO that I saw a review for yesterday.
I know this is a couple years old but I've been agonizing over options to better cool my tower. Using 2 GTX 1660 TIs (aka, the ugly redheaded stepchildren) the water cooling options are 1) severely limited 2) kind of pricey, 3) enter at your own risk. So, seeing these plausible air cooling options was super-helpful. Thank you!
Also don't forget modern AIO has come a long way. Alphacool's newer models are basically custom watercooling for everyone as you can easily expand the system, add a second pump (also good in case the first fails), additional radiators etc. And all pretty much plug and play.
A GPU CPU combo still costs 500 bucks from them tho
@@marlo8850 If you're going for dual radiators. Just adding a CPU cooler to an existing GPU cooling setup is a bit cheaper and often sufficient.
I aspire to reach the point in life where I can build a bean bag quiet room and call it work.
Don't we all?
Resisting the temptation to take a nap is work all in itself.
I aspire to reach the point in life where I can sleep in a bean bag quiet room and call it work.
..
"No one come in here I am taking a nap.. ugh... measurements"
And where do you put that on your resume?
Should I use water coolers?
Linus: Yesn’t
original
@@R3in_Ch thanks
Yes, thats f crazy ,
See think :
For example a company gives u a gureentee of 2-3years , go for it
Also, air cooler heats up other parts if the air flow is bad
2 fans version is best
I just wana say that DONT BUY AIR COOLER
@@ankittayal8291 then just make sure the airflow isn't bad? quietness = ftw.
@@ankittayal8291 You sure are highly convincing but I have just one observation: you forgot to mention RGB lights that make everything better.
This was a great balanced video. Was working on a SFF build. Didn’t realize how a water cooler was good for that especially with a side mounted mobo on a computer I plan to move around.
I think in the past liquid cooling in its infancy was better only because air cooling wasn't using heatpipes or not using heatpipes effectively. But now the use of heatpipes for cpu cooling has matured. Liquid cooling has the advantage of high heat capacity, but heat pipes has the advantage of latent heat of vaporization (of water inside the heatpipes) and conducts heat incredibly fast.
Every video: So you're building a new pc.
Me:No. I'm not
but you think about it when youre watching :P
200th liker👍🏽
10,000 subscribers without any videos if u wanna cop a pre built
@10,000 subscribers without any videos No. It's not
@10,000 subscribers without any videos or they are just subscribed to Linus?
Gamers: Wears headphones and uses mechanical keyboards. Also gamers: Ewww fan noise
Thank you. I was thinking the same
@@phronesis2471 Cherry is literally the market standard for mechanical switches, what the fuck are you talking about?
Ok, I saw this discussion coming.
Not all mechanical keyboards are loud, we know that. I believe this comment was just a funny remark on how enthusiats sometimes focus too much on something and ignore others.
(and that noise is not that much of an issue if you use good headphones most of the time)
@@phronesis2471 and if I shit in the bucket I get you.
By the way, who do you think is the best switch manufacturer then?
I have open back headphones and my old gpu was hella loud and I could hear it over my game and keyboard.
Towers aren't the only case style though, there's are also "Desktop" or Lan Box" style cases which lay the motherboard flat instead of upright. Which is arguably a much better design. Especially if you plan to build something like an HTPC.
This is what I was thinking in addition to the fact that every time I've moved my PC I just laid it down on its side to reduce the GPU and cooler strain hehe
Reject Towers. Return to boxes.
@@Terraqueo22 Exactly! All the people walking past my home on the sidewalk should listen to you!
I have that exact Noctua cooling setup. It really is a beast. And it's super quiet. Those noise numbers sound "big" but in reality its still super quiet, especially when your graphics card fires up its fans.
It’s depressing when I realise that 90% of the time I’m tinkering with my pc, it’s even more depressing when I realise that I prefer tinkering with my pc than gaming on it
mbntr you’re not alone
I hate the tinkering. I just want it to be over
Try tinkering with others computers. Make a hobby of it. If you like doing it, keep going
Me with modding Skyrim, I enjoy more modding it and making everything works than actually playingmy modded Skyrim.
@@thedead456321 I know right
i really like many fans in my pc... so loud it overtones my parents arguing...
Babu Kun felt this
100.000 RPM for my parents
HAHAHA
You can help the over tune by putting your GPU fan speed to 100%. Just ask my GTX 460.
so true relate my own experience haha
I have one PC with an AIO and one without.
Getting my hands around parts that are near the CPU such as the m.2 SSD or RAM is so much easier with the AIO since it doesn’t take up space near the CPU socket.
Trying to get your hands around anything with the CPU with an air cooler is pretty annoying.
Still using my NH-D15, 7 years and counting. Will use it in my next build this autumn too.
Linus: "Why you shouldn't water cool your PC"
Also Linus: "Water Cooling a TI-84 Graphing Calculator"
Well...he didnt watercool his pc
@@lorelo. A calculator has a CPU and RAM in it so it is kinda a computer
At the end of the day your computer is a just a calculator anyway
That's because water cooling wins in the most important metric... Views.
But It Wasn't PC Tho
This is where poor people like me who can't afford water cooling come to feel better
Yea i have a gaming pc not water cooled but i came here to feel good
I have my cpu overclocked with a stock intel cooler @85% all time.
At least you're not one of those people who spent above average money installing a shitty AIO water cooler that costs more than air and does its job worse. AIO crowd are like the kind of people who spend thousands of extra dollars buying the optioned-out Camry covered in fake vents and lip-kits and quad-exhaust tips: it's all for show, and they just don't realize how dumb the show looks. Don't feel bad about running a well-thought-out air cooling solution-- it just means you're not stupid.
@@justinquisitive7226 mmmm Zalmann
Not poor at all. I just don`t need unneeded rubbish inside of my pc. If it makes you feel superior...by all means go for it. The only issue is, as evidenced by your comment, water cooler users come off as something similar to vegans. Bloody hell indeed! LOL
I was hoping to see the effect on overall case temps and the GPUs as well.
I really want to keep my PC quiet under load and very often it's the GPU fans that are the loud ones. And GPU temps are very dependent on overall case temps.
I still use the Noctua NH-U12A (Chromax Black version) in a ton of my custom builds for customers. The performance is awesome!
Linus: Why you shoudn't water cool your PC.
Also Linus: Builds every PC with watercooling
Because it looks much better. I think most people know this, you are trading reliability and safety of your internal components for aesthics. People do it in every aspect of life.. just hopefully not in an ER room.
@@Glorious_Kim_Jong_Un Or in 99.99% to show off to others. Humans are miserable!
He makes videos for money, doesn’t mean it’s all correct.
Its a bit like Lewis Hamilton giving reasons why people should not drive at 200 mph
@Bob Saget must have some ugly ass stuff
Noctua is going to make fat sales off this video LOL
True.
..and aside from their color scheme.. they deserve it. :D
That's what brand loyalty and pleasing your customers does for your business.
alpenföhn aircoolers are pretty much on-par and cheaper...
you cant argue with the fans performance its the cost and color scheme that keep me from buying one
They're already recognized as top tier coolers.
But the people who would buy the RGB AIOs won't care about performance.
The surch search.. I do love a bit of self-deprecating humour. Gave me a big grin.
I am so glad that you made your channel and this video do you help me with my PC thank you so much this deserves a subscribe and they like and a comet!!
Boris already taught us that a great PC must be cooled with Vodka
Yes dear comrade. Let the potatoes reign.
A fellow man of culture
For the Motherland
There ist a Video on RUclips with a Beer cooling
@@janschafer8173 jaaaa ich weiß xDD
Just flip your pillow over, lol.
David Palomino just turn the earth 180 degrees for winter so it can cool down using nature
Turned my tower upside down; works great
Science!
XD made me laugh
wow.. it works. it also make noise more quieter, thanks!
Wild coming back to this after watching Labs tour videos and seeing just how far LMG has come in a few short years.
Hello LinusTech i always like your videos and i subscribe to it. I would like to know if how you will upgrade the cooling system to an all-in-one pc? I dont know if you already have a video for this, a link or any suggestion would be very helpful. Thank you
We all know why there's a tissue roll sitting right next to a pc in an awfully quiet room that prevents noise from being heard outside.
I paused this video at just before 5 minutes and proceed to scroll down looking for this exact comment. I knew it was here. I don't even know why I came looking for it.
Kevin Fischer I came here for that myself too
@@kevinfischer4759 I did the same thing lmao
Dirty Sanchez with the crustache
Tastor yes, only virgins masturbate. this is science.
Gamers: I hate case noise!
Also gamers: Sound canceling headphones at 110% sound whoring at 120db
i hate headphones, i play 95% of my time with speakers ^^.
That’s exactly why I don’t care about the sound. Plus the graph he used for the decibel chart is misleading. 20 decibels is I believe 10 times louder than 10 decibels. Same core 20 and 30 and so on.
who the fuck uses sound canceling headphones?
@@Pepe-dq2ib me. Good quality sennheisers
@@Handlehandleistaken no such thing as good sounding noise canceling headphones. I doubt it sounds any good as their every level HD 6XX that you can get for $160 on sale.
Wow, I've only just got the NH-D15 and not by choice but because the Liquid Freezer 240 was out of stock. After watching this I am super happy with the Noctua 😁😁
Would love to see you do an updated review on this, with today's CPUs and cooling...
Tech companies: Sell shit products by paying for ads
Noctua: Gets free advertisement by making actually good products
Tech companies: **surprised Pikachu face**
yea, amazed at the amount of suckers in the world that buy PC water cooled stupidity when a good laptop will do it all.
@@tropicthndr found the sucker lol
Agree. I've long said that if marketed right. A turd wrapped in decorative foil will sell.
So much "stuff" is designed only to "SELL."
Silent Studios
If you want a powerful PC but are extremely mobile from day to day
I can't get a laptop with an I7 7700k and 32GB DDR4, liquid metal on the cpu with water-cooling, and a GTX 1080TI and a 32" wide screen. @@VanguardX
There are 3 types of cooling:
Air
Water
Noctua
correction:
There are 4 types of cooling:
Air
Leaky bois
Less leaky bois
Vodka
When you drink vodka it worms you up so
@@bossjulian_ I've never heard of vodka worming someone
Alcochol makes you dont feel cold so much
@@bossjulian_ correct another fun fact it also decreases your bodies ability to actually retain heat believe it or not .
I'd love to see a follow-up video using the same Noctua NH-U12A, Premium fans on the AIO and see those test results. I bet they will tell a much different story.
Went through 3x Corsair h100i's over about 7-8 years. I Bought Noctua NH-D15S, it is almost 20c cooler. not had an issue since.
Linus: Why you shouldn't water cool your PC.
Linus: Nearly every build he does is water cooled.
I was about to comment on that especially in regards to his $5k build one.
Then his next video why water cooling is better than air Cooling make up your goddamn mind dude
He says it directly: using their computer (us, mostly) as opposed to tinkering with their computer (them, and some of us). I thought that was clear enough
tbf he likes to tinker with his pc whereas most people want to build it and forget about it for as long as possible and just use it.
Also, I bet a loop with pump reservoir and blocks probably far outperforms AIOs
“You first need to figure out if your cpu needs more cooling” * glances over to stock intel cooler*. * continues watching
🤣
bwahahahaha
Lmfao my cpu just got fried so I’m watching this
Stock coolers are straight trash
@@mikerzisu9508 agreed.
So with the EK, Optimus and Corsair custom systems, is there any updates to this topic?
Yeah with the Ryzen 9 7900X I wanna decide on a really good air cooler for it
Heat dissapation is created by surface area, the Noctua has A LOT of surface area in its fins to create more dissapation. Measure overall surface area and you will get an idea of cooling effectiveness.
When my pc reaches 110 degrees I turn off my heater and use the pc heat.
My laptop shuts off at 67 or so degrees C :(
Dead Inside and Out rip
@@deadinsideandout9292 my laptop goes to 100 celsius before the gpuz temperature counter stops counting. A simple trick I learned to bring temps down is to raise my laptop on each corner so that it isnt flat on the table. that prevents heat buildup below it
110 degrees?! And I am worried if it reaches 80...
When my pc reaches 40 degrees I'm already scared I would get a panic attack if I saw urs
Side effect of silent builds is that you notice how loud the ambient world actually is. Dang leaves rustling!
Not when you live in a city lol, I need my PC to be as loud as possible to drown out the noises of honking cars and shouting people outside :D
@@flex_ible Kind of what I'm saying! A silent PC in an area with heavy traffic and paper thin walls isn't exactly a high priority (though I'd still go as silent as possible) :)
I had a spare 3.5” drive to put in my build for some extra storage. It lasted about a day before I ripped it back out because it was all I could hear.
Yea thats why I never really worked to hard on the silent aspect. Theres so much going on around me constantly, that the computer is still the quietest piece of the puzzle haha
Same: When I bought my Chevy Volt, "Damndable tire noise!"
great information, this really helped me
That remark on brand bias is interesting and generally why I think design over logo with my choices but also this actually helped a bit of CPU rigging salt I got recently over a deep with a fan cooler.
"You shouldn't water cool your PC" Linus : water cools all his PC's
Rati Jugeli h m m m m
he said he water cools it because he likes the "cleaner look" because you can mount water coolers higher and are less out of site and you can see your motherboard and maybe led lights (if you add some) more better but air coolers are much better than water coolers I agree especially price wise
Do what i say, not what i do. - LTT
3celsius = It's not even close. Could be anything from TIM to airpockets, Like how do you suppose that they eliminated all the variables in their setup when the radiator is mounted differently with relation to airflow, along with what sounds like a jank setup with HVAC and shit.
I think the biggest and most beneficial aspect of the AIO, is not the cooling performance, it is infact the clearance hassle that you fucking get from big fucking fans and heatsinks, which there is no way to fucking know for sure if you have clearance until you get something shipped to you, only to find out, FUCK It doesnt fit. Or you're literally risking damaging your board to push ram at an angle, or forcing stuff in, having to completely dismount your whole CPU, just to change ram.
Honestly, Cry more about 3Celsisus, when you're building a pc and dont wanna fuck around with "Does it fit", AIO wins everytime. Unless your board is awkward as fuck, There's no way you can't find a way to mount an AIO (where the radiator fits), in a case with any board. Who cares about temps when you're trying to figure out which spacehog is gonna fit in your particular case, with your particular board, with your particular ram. Unless you wanna go the safest route and copy some kid's setup by the piece, which means you gotta stalk some forums for someone who isn't bullshitting you.
Linus always warns us not be like him
what do we do?
copy Linus.
just don't start dropping your shit :D
I'm so triggered!
They should have gotten you to do a custom 480+240 loop or something.
JayzTwoCents i just knew you would be responding to this video.
response video?
@@Maznweater He did a similar video, comparing the watercooled test bench with a Noctua D15, and the results were not much different.
OMG! YOU ARE FAMOUS RUclipsR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Linus, have you tried different liquids such as mineral oil in place of water?
Cool setup guys.I missed a bottle of hand lotion besides that paper roll.
so world of tanks missed the oportunity of using the code LinusTankTips?
Weegee isnt very smart sometimes...
@@boomznbladez405
Wg is greedy
@@hassanlabyad4082 yeah they are... 76$ for a ship in WoWS is absurd...
@@boomznbladez405
90$ for a tank
That they souldn't sell and promised to not sell
But yet they do it
@@hassanlabyad4082 at least warships will remove ships and stop selling the ones they say they will... God damn Belfast lol
Thank you Linus, instead of buying a water cooler I installed a dedicated HVAC system and ordered 25 bean bags.
did you also install more RAM?
Thanks for the video. I WAS confused which one to go for AIO or AIR Cooler.
i was so naive, giving AIO a chance in all my builds. I'll never use a AIO ever again after the 2nd pump failure and general performance as well as noise level is way worse than air cooling
I was just discussing this with a coworker. Talking about water coolers at the water cooler.
Syncronisties Mr. Crowley
Never thought id see a Thelema symbol over here
Your fired AF.
Custom loop with a water cooler as the reservoir.
Booooooooo!
Jayztwocents: *WHY U SHOULD WATERCOOL*
Linus after a few months: *WHY U SHOULDNT WATERCOOL*
Kingpin: *WHY YOU SHOULD DO LN2 COOLING*
so what hell i have to do??!!
Make up your own mind. As usual!
OMG dude jayztwocents is CUSTOM watercooling, and linus is saying AIOs. Jay doesn't recommend AIOs.
Look up optimum tech and you'll see its better to switch the fans than the shitty corsair fans
@@Zell717 Dont put any cooler in your cpu
Honestly, would love to see this Video redone
I used to liquid cool... AIOs, then moved on to custom loops with soft tubing, then on to doing builds with rigid PETG tubing, etc... Now I just stick with a Noctua NH-D15. Got sick of permeation on AIOs rendering them useless after a while, doing maintenance on custom loops (disassembling a PETG run is a pain in the ass), etc. A good air cooler with a graphite thermal pad gets you 90% of the way there and you don't have to do a damn thing to maintain it. No repasting, no nothing. Blast it with some compressed air once in a while if you're feeling generous. That's it.
using a graphite thermal pad instead of something like the kingping or the kryonaut or even the nt-h2 its actually very strange
A sound insulated room..
An eager young man..
Kitchen towels beside the pc screen...
Just like my room used to be.
its obviously to to clean up water spills in the case and to silence his screams of rage from playing Dark Souls
Ironic Medic OBVIOUSLY
I'm glad they're taking the problem of gamer gunk seriously.
*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Noise? I use game Headset to play can't hear a nuke explosion
thank you
finally a normal PC user
@Dindu Unless your PC has a 5 year old Intel stock cooler filled with dust and an R9 390X with loads of dust in it, any headset should be able to block out the noise just fine. My non-noise reduction one blocks all sound just fine.
@Dindu then damn what kind of shitty heatsink are you using on your computer?. my headset isnt anything special and was fairly cheap tbh and i cant really hear my computer much with a Noctua nhu14s heatsink.
Thank you, i keep wondering about all these noise complaints from serious pc users, i mean, it's not even a bad trade off for performance since one'll have headphones or speakers overpowering the sound. Tbh i only hear my pc when i have nothing to do and there's a rogue program kicking up the temps
Chief Denis well in my case I’d want to keep my pc quiet bc I work night shift and I would be getting home at 4 am and starting to play and don’t want to wake up my girlfriend . There are many other reasons someone would want a quiet pc as well but that’s just mine
I see a lot of confusion in the comments about different tests finding AIOs have better outcomes.
The TL;DR here is: In real world situations, an AIO will beat most air coolers, unless you're dealing with a really good cooler like the one in the review, and even then it's basically a draw... but the AIO will still likely win under most normal use case scenarios.
Linus gives the reason why in the video, but it's downplayed... that reason is that most compute workloads aren't continuous max load. There's also a problem with their test, which we'll get into.
Under max load overclocked in order to force heat, the motherboard is basically forcing as much voltage into the CPU as it possibly can at the stable overclock, which means MUCH more than under a standard load which radically reduces the efficiency of the chip, and that drives the heat on the silicon WAY up. This is basically flooding both solutions to maximum saturation until they reach equilibrium. At that point, what you're really testing is the case's ability to transfer heat out of the chassis, because now all of your components are saturating to that level, and that's limited to the amount of egress space in the case and the other fan dynamics so now you have a case bottleneck that is influenced by the local environment's temperature... which is also heating up with the computer.
Now you're probably saying "But there was still a difference between the components, and they were in the same environment."
Yes, but the environment is not the same for each test, it has variance, and your cooling will ALWAYS be judged against the ambient temperature as a baseline. In other words, if the ambient temperature increases 3 degrees, your max cooler temp will be higher by roughly the same amount.
And disregarding the H60 (which is 100% not rated for an aggressive overclock and should not be used in this use case like this and only seems to be here to provide a really bad result) the total difference between the temperatures is a whopping... 3 degrees.
Statistically significant? Errr... Actually... no. That's a 3.7% difference and statistical significance isn't reached until an adjusted 5% difference... but that's after accounting for margin of error, and 3.7% doesn't.
In the video that noted that the temperature differential in the room at different points was... about 2-3 degrees. And there you have it. And it's impossible to know the external case temp for each stage of each test given what we have provided here, unless it was measured at the time and if it was, it's not included here as far as I can recall. And even the mobo ambient temp sensor won't give you the external case ambients.
So there's no actual significance in these numbers... what we're seeing here is variance in local environment combined with the fact that they saturated both cooling solutions to the point where other bottlenecks mattered more. It's also possible that on top of that, the Noctua fan configuration may be benefitting from case airflow design better than the AIO is, as the AIO will be pushing out both CPU AND GPU heat emitting up, whereas the channel of air with the 2 fan Noctua is likely isolating the air moving through the CPU, which would provide for a very slight lowering of temperature (at the expense, likely, of GPU thermals because you're now potentially blocking one exit path for the GPU's airflow).
However, in most real world workloads, you're not pushing the chip to its limit over time and you're not likely to be so aggressively overclocked, and in those cases the AIO will likely significantly outperform because they actually do move heat faster than most air coolers under those conditions.
The next step is to tweak the AIO fan setup for your purposes. Most come with max fan distribution and just like airflow in different setups requires different designs, case thermal and airflow dynamics also often benefit better from a tweaked fan zone configuration, which not only may slightly benefit AIO thermals, but also radically changes the sound profile for the system in a way that you can't with an air solution (since there's no radiator and coolant in an airflow solution to absorb short bursts of CPU heat spikes).
One last thing, people in the comments need to look up how water electrical conductivity works. While it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing, an AIO leak is not likely to short out your computer. It's not impossible, and I wouldn't want to have one because they're a mess to clean up, but water itself is thermally but not strongly electrically conductive. What kills your keyboard when you spill water on it at home is that the water you're drinking isn't really free of metals and other electrically conductive material and the AIO coolant is at least supposed to more or less be. (This is also, by the way, why you're not supposed to drink water distilled for use in non-conductive use cases... it'll actually sap you of minerals because the water you'd use in a water loop does not have the electrolytes you need to maintain biological homeostasis.)
I nearly damaged my new Graphics card, my CPU and my Motherboard with the installing/removal process of my 120mm Tower air cooler being extremely difficult. I got VERY lucky nothing got permanently damaged. I bought the AIO for that reason alone. It REALLY cleaned the build up. Even being a cheap but trusty local brand. Yes, I have nightmares of it leaking, but there's warranty for that
*5 months later* "Why you should water cool your pc."
Just wait for a new sponsor
10 months later "Why you should fan cool you pc".
@@genegieb9153 air*
LOL I AIO'D MY 1080TI TOO!
12 later: Why I'm selling my pc
Every ten minutes I urinate on my CPU cooler to assert dominance. Temps stable at 32degC
You made my day. 👍
Thank you.
Omg 😂
What happens if you try to overclock CPU?
Dominance Asserted, good job soldier
pro
it amazing how long linus rocked those ear rings. I wonder who finally got him to update his style
Makes sense since the density of water is greater which means it will retain heat for longer. Plus you are adding an additional step into the cooling process instead of directly transferring it to air.
Me: buys and AIO
YT: lets recommend him this video.
Me: :(
Dude, i have an AIO because my air cooler didn’t work as it should. My CPU was at 85 celsius, now with the AIO the cores are at max 60 and the overall temp is 36 at absolute max load. It works, its simple and it does its job. I am glad i have this watercooling system, its effective and just gets its job done. Also consider this: the H100 is one degree above the air cooler... its just one degree... so dont always listem to what they say. Their data might not be corrupted by any opinion, but the point of the video was to prove water cooling sucks. If you feel bad look up videos about Pros and you find a different opinion. As long as it does its job and you like it, it doesn’t matter really
I would suggest GamerNexus video on AIO orientation, just in case you're experiencing bubbling sounds and feel it is louder.
True
@Gr3gor bruh
@@kreb9721 aesthetics make performance better bro I swear, RGB bumps my FPS up by like 60
A room full of bright beanbag chairs:
Linus: *Ghetto*
Hannibal: whack
Ghetto because its a quick hap hazard way to sound proof
Ghetto blaster
@@komakozeee said at the wrong time around the right people still could have gotten the shit slapped out of him.
Some ppl,prefer these bean bag chairs in their den/livingroom but I'll never understand why
We totally need a followup video on this 3 years later.
Id like to see the performance between a custom loop vs AIO vs just fans.
Linus: "But performance isn't everything..."
Me: "Yes it is."
Im not liking u cause u have 69 likes
69 likes lmao
By the time I saw this the number had changed....to 69x2 likes!
Not related but I like the 12 oz. Mouse profile pic lmao
"After a long load, it's performance might not be as impressive..."
I know what you mean bro
underrated comment
i remember my first AIO back in 2006 before AIO's were a thing, it was the CoolerMaster Aquagate WaterCooler it even had a built in LCD for CPU temp lasted me 6+ years and only cost £35.99p (£36) from scan a baragain lasted me 6+ years
At least they are all better than the cooling system I had on my Commodore 128. I literally had to get a room fan to blow into it to cool it off while I played AD&D titles. I was too young to understand that I could have easily fixed it with some new thermal paste.
You can tell he is popular. Just look at all his fans!
LOL
LMAO
Underrated
R/technicallytrue
I love fan jokes
Linus after literally installing thousands of PCs with liquid cooling.
"Why you shouldn't water cool your PC"
As he said in the video, he doesnt recommend water cooling to non-professional pc tinkerers.
@@Doflaminguard "he doesnt recommend water cooling to non-professional pc tinkerers"
By the amount of hardware he's dropped, he shouldn't be installing water coolers either then :D
Slav Giorno he doesn’t recommend CUSTOM water cooling
@@askellad9416 Yes AIO's are ok.
Are you sure it isn’t custom water cooling? An aio is a couple thumb screws and a sealed system. Don’t really need to be a professional to hook that up
Does this still apply to this day?
Interesting conclusion, but it conflicts with results from other channels. Would love to see a revisit.
I'm a decade long user of Noctua coolers myself, and a big fan of their stuff and support. I've ordered an Artic Freezer ii 360 to make up my own mind. If i don't get on with it I'll flog it and buy a D15 and call it a day.
Water and air cooling is a rookie mistake, concrete cooling is the pro way to go
@The Fifth Freedom did you not watch that video?
@The Fifth Freedom you didn't watch that video 😂😂😂
you finally found a way to fill up that emptiness you call a head...good for you
Nah man. Sink cooling.
@@constantinclipa1360 go watch the video 😂
a locked room, a pc and a big roll of paper towels...hmmm....
share us your story will you!?
@@lol2315189 Yoda is that you?
Big clue there.
That's me after 3 years of marriage
Tohid Alipour And bean bags....even bigger...HMMM...
i have a Thermaltake Contac Silent 12 on my Amd fx6300 overclocked at 4.4ghz 1.3v, under load only reaches around 65 Celsius never goes above 68, here in aus the ambient temp is around 30 degrees minimum, genuinely impressed how much a 20 dollar air cooler can do
Could you please tell me which cooling system should be used so that the temperature of Ryzen 5800X in stress tests using FPU and AVX2 in a closed case in the summer heat does not exceed 50 degrees Celsius ?
Me: comes in thinking I’ll decide which cooling I want
Me after video: still don’t know
Acropolis same
Tbh, I would still go for water cooling. It performs better than most air coolers and looks super sick. Just don't destroy your PC while installing it.
Alright here is the case.
The Air cooler proven to be better at cooling that a 360mm radiator, but the downside is that heavy movement or packaging is going to bend the Mobo thanks to air radiator weight.
So if you move your case, buy water cooling or use Intel stock cooler since it's pretty light u know.
But in my case i got a 780T corsair Case and i bought a 360mm water cooler, i put it on top and now it acts as an Exhaust fan
Case is underpressured, since now i got 4 120mm(3 on top and one in the back) setup as exhaust, while 2 140mm and a 1 120mm on bottom acting as intake.(which means my case is running cooler but dust may gather here and there).
I think my next build will be a 120mm radiator, might go micro case too
@@randomguydoes2901 i actually got the noctua nh d15 not too long ago. thanks for making it feel like i made the right descision :)
@Warm Soft Kitty Mate, this comment is two months old. Now there are better air coolers, like the new noctuas.
*laughs in AMD stock cooler*
Wraith prism ?
@@thias1 or spire, i think
Spirebro
Which processor you have if have r7 or r9 then it's wraith prism if it's r5 then stealth
Stock cooler on R5 3600 is pure crap. My CPU is idling at 47 degrees. Looking for good options. I run python programs which hit 100 % utilization on single core , which is roughly 11% utilization on all cores. The temperatures hit 75 .
we all learned about sound dampening at least a little when we were little trying to hide noise from a laptop/handheld under our blanket
Just an FYI, no matter how far air cooling comes, it will never do better than water cooling. This is just physics. Water is better at removing heat than air.
Room full of beanbags:
"So to keep things as real world as possible".
..they actually did. They have that one-use-paper towels in there ;)
Me using liquid nitrogen to cool my laptop: *I like your funny words magic man*
big brain time
‐321°F's for your frozen laptop.
@@StefanVeenstra shahhhh right! I'm like OC to a jillion!
Better is protoplanetary Boomerang Nebula that's what I use I had to travel 5.000 lightyears but it's ok
@@StefanVeenstra actually, I have the rx 5700 xt, which means that my junction temperature is still 80 degrees
Last time i checked water was the better cooling method when compared against air. Just mount it properly and monitor it if temps go up from failure of the pump.
I love how I looked up a video so I could pretend to be non biased and yet I'm still gonna buy an AIO liquid cooler regardless because it looks cooler.
This is a Noctua sponsored video and it's almost 4 years old. AIOs have gotten a lot better since then
@@gutar5675 but the person is already biased towards AIO's...