If they really wanted to cheap out they could just not include cooler at all and just make old cooler compatible. Someone could make for example a single board computer or tv box compatible with old desktop cooler, so we don't need to waste money, time and energy to recycle that stuff!
Matthew Anglin it's "massive" relative to Intel coolers, but AMD gave us decent coolers in first gen, now they give you a level down on the cooler, as the 1600 got the wraith spire, but now the 2600 gets the stealth
That being said ryzen doesn't need beefy cooling. . . My 1600 running with 1.38v won't go over 40C on AIDA64 with a Cryorig R1. Only reason I have the R1 hooked up is because I like the look of it better then the stock cooler.
Hopefully with Ryzen doing so well, Intel may wake to themselves and start offering decent CPU coolers across the range, and soldering across the range...just like AMD does. Not being an AMD fanboi, just pointing out what lack of decent competition does.
AMD seems to be doing well at the stock coolers, I got a 2700X and was planning on using the Prism for a month or so before replacing the stock cooler with something better. But even under full load the thing is pretty damn quiet, makes less sound than my RX 480. Pretty impressed with it.
Matthew Farrell I'm using a 2200G and with the stock cooler at %100 fan speed it's still really quiet with an OC of 3.9 GHz at 1.38125 volts and a GFX clock speed OC to 1200mhz, seeing 90°c in prime 95 but it never gets that hot in games. The OC provided 10 FPS boost in some titles. I love the cable mesh on the stock cooler and the cooler overall looks better than the Intel stock cooler
Compatibility Madness That might be the case... Not completely sure right now.(I only know it had 2.8GHz) But even the 800 series Pentium Ds are not that hard to cool today. It's just that when they came out, people were nit used to such extreme power draw for CPUs. The VRMs on motherboards get unstable, and good case airflow is needed. Modern CPUs like the core i9 are much more energy hungry, but the motherboards have better VRMs with better capacitors, power supplies have less ripple, and coolers are build more efficient.
This is no different from what is happening in the automotive sector. 18 years ago, even FWD econoboxes had fully independent rear suspension systems, with a lot of cars that had really good multi-link rear suspension systems. Now, in the quest for cheapness maximization, it is almost impossible to find an economical car with something better than a twist beam rear. One major issue is that most humans are just way too ignorant for their own good and happily enjoy getting ripped off.
it is way worst in automotive industry, most of the manufacture create there own proprietary engine management system, make ordinary mechanic almost impossible to troubleshoot or repair
pr0xZen honestly, I agree with you to some extent, and this is a fair argument. I don’t think that Intel HASN’T innovated in that period of time. They certainly have. But I do think the lack of competition they’ve had until recent years allowed them to stagnate for quite a while, at least in the consumer CPU market.
+pr0xZen A major reason the socketed broadwell chips (i7-5775C and i5-5675C) are faster is their massive 128 MB L4 cache, dramatically lowering latency when communicating with some memory. Too bad they just don't do that any more on socketed CPUs.
Intel kinda stopped inovating. I mean, that's what a lack of competition does. Just look at kaby lake, which was basically the same as the previous sky lake. Only because of the competition that Ryzen gave is why they moved up to 50% more cores and threads.
Wow dude... I've been watching you for about 8 months now, idk why you don't have 5 million subscribers by now. You are like the old linus, the linus I liked to watch everyday (unlike the new one, who just makes review videos of either very costly or very useless products instead of videos like you make). So many tech channels that are way worse than yours have 1 million subscribers or close to that. You've been spending so much time and money and hard work into this channel, I hope it grows to be one of the top tech channels in RUclips... Keep up the awesome work!
That cooler is even older than that. I have that cooler on my PC from 2006 but I am pretty sure it was around even before that. Also you didn't need to struggle getting those pins out they easily separate into 2 pieces and come out of the frame by pulling back the little retention tabs.
Hey how about testing older AMD cooler and put it for Ryzen? I used to have Phenom2 X4 965 BE and it's cooler has cooper in it. Quite heavy too! And when I switched to 2200g with it's stock cooler, I weight the stock cooler and it's wayyyyyy less heavy than the 965 ones. Btw I bought Gammaxx Ice Edge Mini FS tho, so I don't exactly test the 2200g stock cooler properly. And also I don't test the 965 cooler which I should. Maybe if you can test it, it will be a great show for me :) (I've sold my 965 along with the cooler so I can't make the test myself)
VladiSSius the old stock coolers with the four copper heatpipes are basically what Amd bundles with 2700x. I alway forget what it is called, witght max or something so ofcourse they will cool good. But back in the days nobody cared about them until some Amd fanbois made some noise about the cooler when Ryzen came out.
VladiSSius i had 955 BE it's stock cooler was really loud at full load ! it was beefy all base cooper but cooler fan was just to loud, so I switched to Coolmasters cooler bought 2x I don't remember model it's similar to 212 but much older 10 y old I am still using those coolers on my i5 machines (I have brackets for AMD and intel bracket is adjustable for multiple sockets
i actually made a frankenryzen cooler which works pretty well it's the heatsink block of an pre-wraith FX-8350 stock cooler (with the big beefy ass heatsink+heatpipes one), with the fan of a ryzen wraith spire screwed on top of it diagonally ofcourse to give more length for the bigger cooler, like that, it just about fits 2 screws on the outermost heatsink fins i put it on a athlon x4 845, complete overkill, but i still had the parts laying around as both my ryzen and FX have a CM 212 evo.
That's because the 965 was AMD's flagship back then. If you're comparing a cooler that's bundled with a flagship, then compare it to the R7 2700X's (AMD's current mainstream flagship CPU) cooler which is the Wraith Max.
It's a shame Intel don't make these high profile cooper core coolers anymore. I realized also that they perform a bit better using screws rather than those plastic pins.
Funny that i stumble across this video now - just last week my Watercooling pump failed and i had to make do with an old Intel stock cooler as well. The plastic mounts also didn't fit by a hair or two, but instead of brutally snapping them off i simply pulled them apart (they're just held together by 2 plastic clips/notches). I McGyver'd it onto my motherboard with nuts, bolts and plastic washers. Runs perfectly cool :)
Brett great job. So there is one reason they used copper (which is awesome btw). Of course CPUs like the core 2 duo and core 2 quad had higher TDPs. This is why they HAD to have that type of cooler back then. So really they haven't made a step back (although I totally agree with your opinion), they've just kept it the same by offering worse coolers because the TDPs are lower.
Ballistic Cheeseburger they didn't have higher tdp. An average lga775 c2d has a td-p in the 65-95 range. A c2q has between 95 and 125w. They had these beefy coolers for the Prescott P4 and pentium d Gallatins and Smithfield cores.
Groza Adrian after all, the Pentium d really was two p4 taped to one die. Which is ironic because Intel pulled that card on ryzen even tho infinity fabric is WAAAY different than taping two CPUs together.
The 775 coolers can be pinned to the motherboard very easy for a stock look. You just need to remove the pins and widen (move) the hole just 1mm to the exterior with a small file. By hand it takes 1-2 hours total as that metal is very hard, but with any hand tool it takes a couple of minutes. My i5-3470 maxed out at 57C in a very small S-micro ATX case and it's very silent. The hole will go from a flattened q shape to a flattened Q, where the pin guide is the Q's tail.
@UFD - this cooler is more than 10 years old - I was working in a PC/components/peripherals retailer back in 2008 and I remember that in that year Intel switched to the new thin coolers which me and the guys at the assembly shop nicknamed "bread slices" .
If you wish to test the thermals to the extreme with AIDA stress USE just "cache" or "FPU" to maximize the power draw depending on your system. Combined power draw with the default four selected is always less and thermals are softer.
that's because it's a socket 775 hsf/cooler, where the holes are about 2mm closer to each other compared to the socket 115x motherboard that you're trying to mount it on. Several ways to adapt it, one being using a file to elongate the 775 mounting holes
this old stock cooler was made for lga 775 socket. like p4 , c2d , c2q cpu. core 2 quad q6600, q6700 had 65nm lithography and 105 watt. they produced more heat. this cooler were able to make them cool under 65 degree celcius with 90% load. the cooler fan had upto 3400 rpm compared to modern average 2600 rpm. they used copper with enough aluminium but today the stock cooler are so light.
your test was honest, my CPU 4790K was about 100-C during rendering but when I fixed my old heat sink (intel socket 775) on my CPU it works WAY BETTER and cooler (like 80C) it means 20C COOLER than before. SHAME ON INTEL
5 years later... i ran into problems with my coolermaster and got one of those intel copper core from a crate full of old pc parts... got it, mount, run some benchs to see how it will perform, and oh boy!!!!! almost 8° cooler than the coolermaster tower thing. It's my new old cooler from noe on.
I'm still keeping my old Pentium 4 LGA775 coolers. Much better than new one. Only the new Ryzen stock colers are better than those old boys ;) PS: Please check 2nd gen i5/7(2500k/2600k) at ~4.5Ghz in compare to modern midrange hardware... Thanks
Correct Answer: To make more money. The first C2D coolers were actually the same used for the Prescott P4 CPU's (100W+ TDP). Meaning they were very efficient for cooling the C2D - even clocked up to 3 GHz. I remember my first C2D E6400 with the stock cooler. It had a load temp of 42-45c ! Aluminium and Copper cost money, så to make more profit, Intel decided to cut down on them from their 45nm CPU's onward. Even on the Quads they used the small cooler. They had VID, but temps still got pretty high on the coolers (80-ish on Q9650), and were JUST cutting it without OC, but Just is good enough for Intel - regarding cooling. The thing is, that if you have low(stock VID) Voltage on the chip, it can handle higher thermals and still with low degration speed. Things get more critical if you raise the voltage. The chip can handle Higher temps with lower voltage, than it can with higher voltage. But what happens when you increase the voltage? ;)
See, funny thing is, that same generation of "old school" coolers, they did that same design with solid aluminum as well as the copper core ones. My roommate did a back to back comparison of the two "old school" coolers on the same machine with a Core 2 Duo Extreme Edition. The all aluminum one did not perform as well as the copper core one did, but both did pretty well. By that same token, I have seen the "new" cooler's performance in person and..... no thank you.
You also forget that they often don't include a stock coolers any more. Also weren't there chips soldered at the time that "wideboy" was in use? So not only is it a better cooler but the chips it was used for were better at transferring heat than their modern cpus, so yeah definitely understand and share your frustration.
On the core 2 heatsink those black tabs are supposed to turn 90 deg as shown on the arrow on the top. Once you turn them they will pull up and allow the white tabs to come together and clear the board.
There's an inbetween cooler with about the thickness of thin boy but a copper core. Had that one with my 2500K and my XEON E3-1231 v3. I believe they used it up until about 7th Gen core iX. Wouldve been nice to have had that in the test too.
I have a 15 year old Pentium 4 Northwood system which also has this cooler, it's still working fine. Also the Pentium G3258 Anyversary has a copper slug in the boxed cooler, i have it overclocked to 4.2 (from 3.2) with this cooler.
that copper core block is almost as expensive if not more expensive than some aftermarket. That's also a reason why aftermarket cooler was not popular in the late 00's.
It's not that hard to remove the plastic pegs of those old coolers without cutting...I recycled a few old coolers as well cause the tiny ones suck! You can usually get even better performance If you use nuts and bolts and plastic washers from the hardware store for a tighter mounting.
I've got a sort of intermediary. The stock cooler is smaller, but has dense fins, and a copper core. It's from an i5-750 And I wouldn't doubt at all that it's better than newer stock coolers, even if perhaps not as good as the older ones that are clearly bigger...
6:43 the stock cooler for the i7-4790k is the small one but with one difference it has the copper core. So I am guessing they cheaped out even more on the newer ones.
I've had these beefy heatsinks around before from a C2Q and one thing that reminded me was that it controlled it's own fan speed, whereas most towers would make use of their larger surface area to turn the speed down because modern motherboards are less aggressive with the fan curve than they used to be... until you put the stock cooler in, which it will be VERY aggressive. The stock aluminium coolers are just awful... not only are they loud but they don't cool well. At least the old coolers were loud but they did things good
The push-pins are really easy to remove from the cooler. Don't cut it down like you dio in this video, just pull a lit of black plastic at the push-pin leg and rotate the push-pad past the usual lock/unlock position then it's can be removed easily and you can reassemble to use again. P.S. If you can find Pentium D era stock cooler, it's even bigger than this with full solid copper core same height as the heatsink (without fan) itself.
@@bdhale34 the difference is so small that any cooler that has movable pins can be adapted by elongating the path the pins move with 1 mm, but even aftermarket coolers don't go that way because even they want more money. Instead they invent all kinds of ridiculous clamping methods that can be used only for "current" platforms. My 3rd gen i5 chugs along at 57C max with a modded Core 2 Quad cooler (copper core as in the video).
Super Roblox While it looks that way, I wonder if Intel is chasing higher profits or if they are trying to keep costs down. I imagine that working on 10nm for so long without a product to show for it costs a lot. And, making all the different lines of chips costs a lot of money upfront.
I picked almost the exact same cooler up from a junkyard (They have giant shipping containers for discarded PC's, great for ddr3 and under, heatsinks, old cpu's etc). Anyway, I saw an old system with win 981E on the sticker, opened it up, and it was a goldmine. I forget the board model off the top of my head, but it had 4! 4 256mb sdr sticks, a P2 *AND* another P2 plugged in via a PCI slot (I was looking at it initially thinking "No way this is a dual P2", as the other cpu is in a black rectangular box; they are just insanely rare to find). The 1 difference in the cooler is it had a "Coolermaster" sticker instead of an "Intel" sticker on it, but checking similar systems it is the stock cooler. Solid copper core, almost twice the height, and the stupid thing is, just like you said, less than a millimeter off the 775's even though it is listed as compatible. Besides the noise, it's great, and with a replacement fan would be even better (and quieter). Heh, computer parts from the dump. It may sound cheesy, but when you open a system and see an sr-2 with 2 x5650's, 32 GB RAM, and the only problem was a dead PSU (the smell gives it away, even after weeks, just smelling the PSU will let you know if it blew out which is common on sr-2's as everyone OC'd their xeons as high as possible (kinda the point of the sr-2 dual socket motherboard)), replace it, put a 770 in and sell it for $1000 usd, well yeah, I'm cool with parts from the dump. They also just ask for $10 usd or a junk pc if you are going to take the entire tower here, so it works out. Fans, heatsinks, basically any individual part they will just let you take for free. Back to the heatsink in the vid. The copper core adds about $0.25 to the cost using todays pricing, so I'm sure that's why. I know we would much rather have them add $0.25 to the cost as opposed to *HAVING* to but a $30 replacement, but they cut corners wherever they can. Heck, they don't solder chips anymore which costs an extra $.0.01 or so to have a machine push down and heat then cool the darn thing. Intel prices up (well, down considering what you get now compared to 2 years ago), chip potential? Ridiculous. Debauer proved that with a dab of the cheapest artic silver, soldering the 8700, and using a Raijintek Themis I believe ($18.99 at superbiz, $25.25 Amazon, $27.99 on NewEgg.). Literally $1 extra from Intel could allow decent thermal with a good OC (not 5+ on all cores, but still very good), and completely eliminate throttling at stock boosts during extended heavy workloads... but they'd rather have us pay more for a cheap aftermarket cooler, it makes no senes. Send the OEM's the junk coolers if that's the issue (though most big OEM's prefer to use their own *WORSE* heatsinks. Oh my goodness, HP and Dell, they actually make the current stock intel fans look good. Intel itself would benefit from selling better coolers as they could go back to guaranteeing even higher boosts than they used to (Now they list the boosts but put s * near them stating it's not a promise it will actually achieve those numbers. Enough from me. Great vid.
Im actually overclocking my c2d e6750 to 3ghz and it peaks at 69C after 15mins stress testing on a stock cooler. I have a case fan supplying it with air too but holy moly. Im glad i tried to oc cause i read everywhere not to overclock on stocks. But they werent talking bout the thicc boi.
about testing-INTEL DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT U WERE SAYING about that ending "and ill see ur smiling faces again in next video" then i smile like u said
The maximum temperature allowed at the processor Integrated Heat Spreade has increased over the years, a big cooler isn´t needed anymore to stay below that temperature.
i still have 2 of these decade old intel cooler with inner copper (from pentium 805 D and older 3Ghz pentium) and i'm very happy with them... running a quad core Q8400 from stock 2,66gHz to OCed 3,5gHz with just mid 60' C Temp and that with the quiet fan BIOS option ON! best intel stock cooler ever!
You don't need to snap off plastic clips, they are removable, also that 775 mobo isn't bad at all, it can do quads and has 4 dimm slots for 8 gb maximum, it only lacks in overclocking (intel mobo's) and vrm cooling (not critical cause no overclocking anyway) I've found one with Q9550 in the PC that was thrown away by some guys, now it's my testing rig, with SSD it can still be a decent performer as a daily driver, add a budget gpu like 750ti or 7850, and you have a lower tier gaming PC that could give you at least 30 FPS in FHD and low to medium settings, for like 40 bucks that you'll pay for gpu and free pc from dumpster (Q9550 or xeon E5450, can be found for another 10-15usd).
Testing a Wraith Prism and how it performs as overclocking cooler would be a great to see! As well, how the Wraith Prism performs against coolers actually made for overclocking like the industry standard > CM Hyper 212!
someone wasnt building PC's when the transition from LGA775 to LGA1156 happened ;-) the mounting pins were just slightly off and some 1156 boards had a secondary set of holes for LGA775 cooler compatibility
They had a line of those coolers just with different heights for celeron, dual core, quad core etc. I've still got a few. Those 775 socket parts overclocked well though, typically by 20 to 30 per cent, so I always went for bigger coolers. Hence a box of basically unused 10 year old intel coolers...
Intel still has a copper cored cooler. It is thin as crap, but they still have a copper slug in the middle. You have a 65W TDP cooler, compared to a "95"w TDP. And I think the actual C2D/C2Q cooler was probably more like 150W TDP+.
I must say that I've been straight up recycling my stock intel cooler for the past 10 years (since my first pc) and I've actually been really impressed at how well it's stood up to stress. As a South African I must just express confusion at the WootWare sponsorship (They're awesome), but was really confused at them sponsoring stuff way out in the States
I also got hand on that i extented those holes and mounted on 1151 with plastic pins so no tension of making back plate or extra long screws..... And with that on prime95 59°c was highest for second only 😍😍😍
Yeah, then try running one non stop, in summer, in Australia.... I've been wanting Intel to bring those bad boys back for years! Especially with the big copper core inside!
I found similar with my AMD FX4300 vs the FX8350 black, the 4300 had a much larger copper core cooler and the 8350 had a much smaller aluminum cooler. So I used the old cooler when I upgraded.
Anyone remember the stock coolers that came with the old AMD 965 Black Edition CPU's? They had heatpipes on them and decent surface areas, but they had probably the loudest fans ever! I mean they make the fan on my old GTX470 sound quiet by comparison haha
I think the reason why stock cooler quality go down is because cpu quality go up. Old core2duo cpus used to have lower tjunction max point and did not have OTP (not so sure about OTP though I am going from memory). Plus they did not include power save features such as c-states.
I noticed the same thing. I used the old style stock cooler to cool a 4790k and the thermals were fine. Turned it into a great little budget htpc/gaming box.
Still have a couple of them oldschool Intel box coolers. Running just fine on my C2D's. Unfortunately, as you've learned, the new mounting holes in modern motherboards are slightly off-set which makes the old coolers unfit for current devices (zip-ties aside).
Wow, the stock cooler has even gotten worse since skylake. The skylake coolers fins split off into two branches for more surface area and the new stock cooler in this video is just straight plain with no branching. You should compare a skylake and coffeelake cooler, that would be more interesting to me.
So wait wait wait...... If you are broke as HELL and someone gives you an Old 775 cooler you could get way better temperatures. Plus if you swapped out the zip ties for Like R3 worth of nuts and screws you could have a really awesome cooler for basically free 😱😱😱😱😱.
Test the Sandy/Ivy/Haswell thin boi. My Haswell Thinboi cooler has a copper slug in the middle of it (and the fans will still fit in the new motherboards without cutting them up)!
Older CPUs were less power efficient. They needed the bigger cooler. Despite enthusiasts insistence on lower temperatures and huge tower coolers, any temperatures that allow the CPU to operate safely will work. It’s makes sense to make CPUs more cost efficient by not bundling in more cooling than you need
Got two Skylake CPUs for my family a couple of years back. The Core i3 had a cooler like the smaller in your test while the Core i5-6600K had one of the bigger type. I used the better cooler on the Core i3 and a 3rd party cooler for the Core i5...
i'm using the old style heatsink's alone on a mini mining rig, cpu's gering to 66 deg max while idle, in a closed case. Cpu is a pentium d 2160 i think
The current stock cooler does its job just fine. The older stock cooler would've presumably gotten similar temps on older cpus. No point in wasting material and money on something a lot of people throw in the bin.
I think the max allowed cpu temps went up from about 70 to 100 over the decade. I guess this allowed them to get away with a smaller cooler on the same TDP. Maybe they overdid it a bit though.
When you done these modifications, and zip tyied it, you made it dont have the propper pressure to the cpu, and also it wont be even with the cpu, it wont be propper 90°c with the cpu. So if you modfyied it propperlly, it would perform better. Probably about 5-6°c.
I bought a bundle with q6600, Gigabyte Mobo, and 4gb's of ram. Got an original packed e6600 CPU with box and the good cooler, never used before! I am so lucky! :)
Test each year's best cooler starting at 2010? maybe you will see the same trend amongst the performance part. I'm currently looking for a cooler to replace my stock. I think I'll have to search all the old benchmarks since I guess a 2010 cooler will be cheap as chips compared to the '"latest and greatest" underperforming coolers.
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no more soyboy coolers
Right?! Lol!
😂
If they really wanted to cheap out they could just not include cooler at all and just make old cooler compatible.
Someone could make for example a single board computer or tv box compatible with old desktop cooler, so we don't need to waste money, time and energy to recycle that stuff!
The soyboy who made this video did a piss poor job.
one of the reasons why i prefer an AMD cpu than an Intel cpu
That cooler was in a church so long it's blessed
Jason Gooden they bathe their PC with holy water that's why
Jason Gooden ... LMAO!!!
That cooler was in church so it's probably seen some nasty shit.
That poor cooler's bum is probably an O instead of * being so long in a church around pastors.
At least when it was young.
Hallowed be its name...
Intel saving money using tim and basically a piece of sheet metal cooler while amd is soldered and gives you a massive cooler with a cpu
Matthew Anglin it's "massive" relative to Intel coolers, but AMD gave us decent coolers in first gen, now they give you a level down on the cooler, as the 1600 got the wraith spire, but now the 2600 gets the stealth
That being said ryzen doesn't need beefy cooling. . . My 1600 running with 1.38v won't go over 40C on AIDA64 with a Cryorig R1. Only reason I have the R1 hooked up is because I like the look of it better then the stock cooler.
Ravocado yet the 2700x has a massive cooler with 3, 4 copper heat pipes, worse second gen?
DougisLive yeah because the 1700x and 1800x didn't have coolers last gen and the 2700x has a tdp of 105 vs the r5 1600 has a tdp of 65
Ravocado doesn't that prove me point, they give you more coolers in every package now and offer better ones then last gen...
I’m giving a thumbs up because I’ve never seen anyone actually compare “stock coolers”.
There's one on Hardware Unboxed. Albeit they are the Ryzen stock coolers and not Intel's excuse of a thermal solution.
Thanx, Face.
DistractedFace pretty sure Linus did something similar also quite a while back.
Brent Metro Not true... Science studio tested those 2 coolers like year ago and LTT tested xeon vs core box cooler... So get your facts together.
Stock cooler comparison videos are all over youtube.
Hopefully with Ryzen doing so well, Intel may wake to themselves and start offering decent CPU coolers across the range, and soldering across the range...just like AMD does. Not being an AMD fanboi, just pointing out what lack of decent competition does.
naah they won't
arokh72 i love ryzen but i wish single per core performance was on par with intels.. Hopefully one day🤔
Glenn Johnston Too bad Intel will be on 14nm for a while longer.
AMD seems to be doing well at the stock coolers, I got a 2700X and was planning on using the Prism for a month or so before replacing the stock cooler with something better. But even under full load the thing is pretty damn quiet, makes less sound than my RX 480. Pretty impressed with it.
Matthew Farrell I'm using a 2200G and with the stock cooler at %100 fan speed it's still really quiet with an OC of 3.9 GHz at 1.38125 volts and a GFX clock speed OC to 1200mhz, seeing 90°c in prime 95 but it never gets that hot in games. The OC provided 10 FPS boost in some titles. I love the cable mesh on the stock cooler and the cooler overall looks better than the Intel stock cooler
The old Intel Q9650 stock cooler did two things well:
1) Cool the slightly overclocked 125W CPU
2) Cool the VRMs.
The i7-9XX one did that even better. Still have one as a doorstop ;)
No. That cooler had to keep cool Pentium XE 840 (first Dual Core CPU from Intel). So TWO Prescott's on the same die. Yeah, it had to be GOOD :)
Compatibility Madness i have a pentium D in a "retro" PC. It's pretty easy to keep it cool. Intel HEDT (X58/X79) is much harder to cool.
@TheRailroad99 If it's a 900 series Pentium D (and D0 revision to top it off) - I may belive you.
If it's 800 series... no way.
Compatibility Madness
That might be the case... Not completely sure right now.(I only know it had 2.8GHz)
But even the 800 series Pentium Ds are not that hard to cool today. It's just that when they came out, people were nit used to such extreme power draw for CPUs. The VRMs on motherboards get unstable, and good case airflow is needed. Modern CPUs like the core i9 are much more energy hungry, but the motherboards have better VRMs with better capacitors, power supplies have less ripple, and coolers are build more efficient.
This is no different from what is happening in the automotive sector.
18 years ago, even FWD econoboxes had fully independent rear suspension systems, with a lot of cars that had really good multi-link rear suspension systems. Now, in the quest for cheapness maximization, it is almost impossible to find an economical car with something better than a twist beam rear.
One major issue is that most humans are just way too ignorant for their own good and happily enjoy getting ripped off.
it is way worst in automotive industry, most of the manufacture create there own proprietary engine management system, make ordinary mechanic almost impossible to troubleshoot or repair
Want to hear a fun fact about those logs for dependent suspension, some cars do benefit from it.
I still have a wide boi fan laying around, I think I know what to use to save money in CPU fans, cya thin boi
Same here!
"Intel is great with innovation..."
*Side eyes the marginal gains from Sandy Bridge 'til Coffee Lake*
"I mean, I guess."
pr0xZen honestly, I agree with you to some extent, and this is a fair argument. I don’t think that Intel HASN’T innovated in that period of time. They certainly have. But I do think the lack of competition they’ve had until recent years allowed them to stagnate for quite a while, at least in the consumer CPU market.
+pr0xZen A major reason the socketed broadwell chips (i7-5775C and i5-5675C) are faster
is their massive 128 MB L4 cache, dramatically lowering latency when communicating with
some memory. Too bad they just don't do that any more on socketed CPUs.
Intel is no longer innovating....
Intel is innovation.
Intel is innovation but they aren't innovating, without intel, AMD wouldn't be exist, without AMD, Intel wouldn't be innovating
Couldn't have said it better VN, exactly what I meant. Both companies are good, I love competition it makes for a good market!
They are on the 4th rebadge of innovation, but calling it new and forcing a motherboard purchase
Intel kinda stopped inovating. I mean, that's what a lack of competition does. Just look at kaby lake, which was basically the same as the previous sky lake. Only because of the competition that Ryzen gave is why they moved up to 50% more cores and threads.
Congrats on 130K subscribers.
those tabs twist-lock, you don't just yank on them...
Wow dude... I've been watching you for about 8 months now, idk why you don't have 5 million subscribers by now. You are like the old linus, the linus I liked to watch everyday (unlike the new one, who just makes review videos of either very costly or very useless products instead of videos like you make). So many tech channels that are way worse than yours have 1 million subscribers or close to that. You've been spending so much time and money and hard work into this channel, I hope it grows to be one of the top tech channels in RUclips... Keep up the awesome work!
Everyone is trying to cut corners and make more money. .
We need more people pointing out such things for quality to improve.
Thanks :-)
black light cough cough amd cough
DougisLive Name it
Tontete COUGH AMD COUGH STOCK COUGH coolers
DougisLive They are pretty good. Do you mean that they are bad or am I misinterpreting your coughing?
Tontete just saying amd doesn't cut corners on their coolers
2008 copper price per ton: 2800$, 2020 copper price: 6800$. It would be too pricey to make the exactly same cooler as before
Thicc Boi!
LMAO
*thick boy
That cooler is even older than that. I have that cooler on my PC from 2006 but I am pretty sure it was around even before that. Also you didn't need to struggle getting those pins out they easily separate into 2 pieces and come out of the frame by pulling back the little retention tabs.
Hey how about testing older AMD cooler and put it for Ryzen? I used to have Phenom2 X4 965 BE and it's cooler has cooper in it. Quite heavy too! And when I switched to 2200g with it's stock cooler, I weight the stock cooler and it's wayyyyyy less heavy than the 965 ones. Btw I bought Gammaxx Ice Edge Mini FS tho, so I don't exactly test the 2200g stock cooler properly. And also I don't test the 965 cooler which I should. Maybe if you can test it, it will be a great show for me :)
(I've sold my 965 along with the cooler so I can't make the test myself)
VladiSSius the old stock coolers with the four copper heatpipes are basically what Amd bundles with 2700x. I alway forget what it is called, witght max or something so ofcourse they will cool good. But back in the days nobody cared about them until some Amd fanbois made some noise about the cooler when Ryzen came out.
VladiSSius i had 955 BE it's stock cooler was really loud at full load ! it was beefy all base cooper but cooler fan was just to loud, so I switched to Coolmasters cooler bought 2x I don't remember model it's similar to 212 but much older 10 y old I am still using those coolers on my i5 machines (I have brackets for AMD and intel bracket is adjustable for multiple sockets
i actually made a frankenryzen cooler which works pretty well
it's the heatsink block of an pre-wraith FX-8350 stock cooler (with the big beefy ass heatsink+heatpipes one),
with the fan of a ryzen wraith spire screwed on top of it
diagonally ofcourse to give more length for the bigger cooler, like that, it just about fits 2 screws on the outermost heatsink fins
i put it on a athlon x4 845, complete overkill, but i still had the parts laying around as both my ryzen and FX have a CM 212 evo.
Pillokun Wraith prism.
That's because the 965 was AMD's flagship back then. If you're comparing a cooler that's bundled with a flagship, then compare it to the R7 2700X's (AMD's current mainstream flagship CPU) cooler which is the Wraith Max.
It's a shame Intel don't make these high profile cooper core coolers anymore. I realized also that they perform a bit better using screws rather than those plastic pins.
Funny that i stumble across this video now - just last week my Watercooling pump failed and i had to make do with an old Intel stock cooler as well. The plastic mounts also didn't fit by a hair or two, but instead of brutally snapping them off i simply pulled them apart (they're just held together by 2 plastic clips/notches). I McGyver'd it onto my motherboard with nuts, bolts and plastic washers. Runs perfectly cool :)
Brett great job. So there is one reason they used copper (which is awesome btw). Of course CPUs like the core 2 duo and core 2 quad had higher TDPs. This is why they HAD to have that type of cooler back then. So really they haven't made a step back (although I totally agree with your opinion), they've just kept it the same by offering worse coolers because the TDPs are lower.
Ballistic Cheeseburger they didn't have higher tdp. An average lga775 c2d has a td-p in the 65-95 range. A c2q has between 95 and 125w. They had these beefy coolers for the Prescott P4 and pentium d Gallatins and Smithfield cores.
Groza Adrian yeah guess I forgot p4 and Pentium d were on 775 at one point. Thx for correction m8.
Groza Adrian after all, the Pentium d really was two p4 taped to one die. Which is ironic because Intel pulled that card on ryzen even tho infinity fabric is WAAAY different than taping two CPUs together.
The 775 coolers can be pinned to the motherboard very easy for a stock look. You just need to remove the pins and widen (move) the hole just 1mm to the exterior with a small file. By hand it takes 1-2 hours total as that metal is very hard, but with any hand tool it takes a couple of minutes. My i5-3470 maxed out at 57C in a very small S-micro ATX case and it's very silent. The hole will go from a flattened q shape to a flattened Q, where the pin guide is the Q's tail.
@UFD - this cooler is more than 10 years old - I was working in a PC/components/peripherals retailer back in 2008 and I remember that in that year Intel switched to the new thin coolers which
me and the guys at the assembly shop nicknamed "bread slices" .
If you wish to test the thermals to the extreme with AIDA stress USE just "cache" or "FPU" to maximize the power draw depending on your system. Combined power draw with the default four selected is always less and thermals are softer.
that's because it's a socket 775 hsf/cooler, where the holes are about 2mm closer to each other compared to the socket 115x motherboard that you're trying to mount it on. Several ways to adapt it, one being using a file to elongate the 775 mounting holes
this old stock cooler was made for lga 775 socket. like p4 , c2d , c2q cpu. core 2 quad q6600, q6700 had 65nm lithography and 105 watt. they produced more heat. this cooler were able to make them cool under 65 degree celcius with 90% load. the cooler fan had upto 3400 rpm compared to modern average 2600 rpm. they used copper with enough aluminium but today the stock cooler are so light.
The copper cores make sweet shot glasses if you press them out .
I cringed so hard at the end I felt my face going inside out
your test was honest, my CPU 4790K was about 100-C during rendering but when I fixed my old heat sink (intel socket 775) on my CPU it works WAY BETTER and cooler (like 80C) it means 20C COOLER than before. SHAME ON INTEL
5 years later... i ran into problems with my coolermaster and got one of those intel copper core from a crate full of old pc parts... got it, mount, run some benchs to see how it will perform, and oh boy!!!!! almost 8° cooler than the coolermaster tower thing. It's my new old cooler from noe on.
I'm still keeping my old Pentium 4 LGA775 coolers. Much better than new one. Only the new Ryzen stock colers are better than those old boys ;)
PS: Please check 2nd gen i5/7(2500k/2600k) at ~4.5Ghz in compare to modern midrange hardware... Thanks
in my old rig i had an i5 3570k 4.84ghz daily OC :o
with only a corsair h60 :o
Correct Answer: To make more money.
The first C2D coolers were actually the same used for the Prescott P4 CPU's (100W+ TDP). Meaning they were very efficient for cooling the C2D - even clocked up to 3 GHz.
I remember my first C2D E6400 with the stock cooler. It had a load temp of 42-45c !
Aluminium and Copper cost money, så to make more profit, Intel decided to cut down on them from their 45nm CPU's onward. Even on the Quads they used the small cooler. They had VID, but temps still got pretty high on the coolers (80-ish on Q9650), and were JUST cutting it without OC, but Just is good enough for Intel - regarding cooling.
The thing is, that if you have low(stock VID) Voltage on the chip, it can handle higher thermals and still with low degration speed. Things get more critical if you raise the voltage. The chip can handle Higher temps with lower voltage, than it can with higher voltage. But what happens when you increase the voltage? ;)
See, funny thing is, that same generation of "old school" coolers, they did that same design with solid aluminum as well as the copper core ones. My roommate did a back to back comparison of the two "old school" coolers on the same machine with a Core 2 Duo Extreme Edition. The all aluminum one did not perform as well as the copper core one did, but both did pretty well. By that same token, I have seen the "new" cooler's performance in person and..... no thank you.
You also forget that they often don't include a stock coolers any more. Also weren't there chips soldered at the time that "wideboy" was in use? So not only is it a better cooler but the chips it was used for were better at transferring heat than their modern cpus, so yeah definitely understand and share your frustration.
On the core 2 heatsink those black tabs are supposed to turn 90 deg as shown on the arrow on the top. Once you turn them they will pull up and allow the white tabs to come together and clear the board.
Yeah, wasn't then problem.
There's an inbetween cooler with about the thickness of thin boy but a copper core.
Had that one with my 2500K and my XEON E3-1231 v3. I believe they used it up until about 7th Gen core iX.
Wouldve been nice to have had that in the test too.
I have a 15 year old Pentium 4 Northwood system which also has this cooler, it's still working fine.
Also the Pentium G3258 Anyversary has a copper slug in the boxed cooler, i have it overclocked to 4.2 (from 3.2) with this cooler.
that copper core block is almost as expensive if not more expensive than some aftermarket. That's also a reason why aftermarket cooler was not popular in the late 00's.
It's not that hard to remove the plastic pegs of those old coolers without cutting...I recycled a few old coolers as well cause the tiny ones suck! You can usually get even better performance If you use nuts and bolts and plastic washers from the hardware store for a tighter mounting.
I've got a sort of intermediary.
The stock cooler is smaller, but has dense fins, and a copper core.
It's from an i5-750
And I wouldn't doubt at all that it's better than newer stock coolers, even if perhaps not as good as the older ones that are clearly bigger...
"We currently have A aftermarket cpu cooler,"
I died(not in laughter) after hearing the grammatical failure.
This gotta go viral
6:43 the stock cooler for the i7-4790k is the small one but with one difference it has the copper core. So I am guessing they cheaped out even more on the newer ones.
they also removed the bearings, reduced the torque on the fan
also the clip can be removed without damaging the part and your finger too
I've had these beefy heatsinks around before from a C2Q and one thing that reminded me was that it controlled it's own fan speed, whereas most towers would make use of their larger surface area to turn the speed down because modern motherboards are less aggressive with the fan curve than they used to be... until you put the stock cooler in, which it will be VERY aggressive. The stock aluminium coolers are just awful... not only are they loud but they don't cool well. At least the old coolers were loud but they did things good
The push-pins are really easy to remove from the cooler. Don't cut it down like you dio in this video, just pull a lit of black plastic at the push-pin leg and rotate the push-pad past the usual lock/unlock position then it's can be removed easily and you can reassemble to use again.
P.S. If you can find Pentium D era stock cooler, it's even bigger than this with full solid copper core same height as the heatsink (without fan) itself.
Couldn't you just have drilled holes into the 775 stock cooler and then screwed it in?
@@bdhale34 the difference is so small that any cooler that has movable pins can be adapted by elongating the path the pins move with 1 mm, but even aftermarket coolers don't go that way because even they want more money. Instead they invent all kinds of ridiculous clamping methods that can be used only for "current" platforms. My 3rd gen i5 chugs along at 57C max with a modded Core 2 Quad cooler (copper core as in the video).
Zip ties actually adds 10 c to the cooling capacity vs the steel screws. Everyone knows that.
Im currently using that old heatsink with thickness about 5 cm. Holy it was amazing
INTEL EXPOSED. lol no hate on intel but that just makes me sad. Awesome video!
Super Roblox
While it looks that way, I wonder if Intel is chasing higher profits or if they are trying to keep costs down. I imagine that working on 10nm for so long without a product to show for it costs a lot. And, making all the different lines of chips costs a lot of money upfront.
I picked almost the exact same cooler up from a junkyard (They have giant shipping containers for discarded PC's, great for ddr3 and under, heatsinks, old cpu's etc). Anyway, I saw an old system with win 981E on the sticker, opened it up, and it was a goldmine. I forget the board model off the top of my head, but it had 4! 4 256mb sdr sticks, a P2 *AND* another P2 plugged in via a PCI slot (I was looking at it initially thinking "No way this is a dual P2", as the other cpu is in a black rectangular box; they are just insanely rare to find).
The 1 difference in the cooler is it had a "Coolermaster" sticker instead of an "Intel" sticker on it, but checking similar systems it is the stock cooler. Solid copper core, almost twice the height, and the stupid thing is, just like you said, less than a millimeter off the 775's even though it is listed as compatible. Besides the noise, it's great, and with a replacement fan would be even better (and quieter).
Heh, computer parts from the dump. It may sound cheesy, but when you open a system and see an sr-2 with 2 x5650's, 32 GB RAM, and the only problem was a dead PSU (the smell gives it away, even after weeks, just smelling the PSU will let you know if it blew out which is common on sr-2's as everyone OC'd their xeons as high as possible (kinda the point of the sr-2 dual socket motherboard)), replace it, put a 770 in and sell it for $1000 usd, well yeah, I'm cool with parts from the dump. They also just ask for $10 usd or a junk pc if you are going to take the entire tower here, so it works out. Fans, heatsinks, basically any individual part they will just let you take for free.
Back to the heatsink in the vid. The copper core adds about $0.25 to the cost using todays pricing, so I'm sure that's why. I know we would much rather have them add $0.25 to the cost as opposed to *HAVING* to but a $30 replacement, but they cut corners wherever they can. Heck, they don't solder chips anymore which costs an extra $.0.01 or so to have a machine push down and heat then cool the darn thing.
Intel prices up (well, down considering what you get now compared to 2 years ago), chip potential? Ridiculous. Debauer proved that with a dab of the cheapest artic silver, soldering the 8700, and using a Raijintek Themis I believe ($18.99 at superbiz, $25.25 Amazon, $27.99 on NewEgg.). Literally $1 extra from Intel could allow decent thermal with a good OC (not 5+ on all cores, but still very good), and completely eliminate throttling at stock boosts during extended heavy workloads... but they'd rather have us pay more for a cheap aftermarket cooler, it makes no senes. Send the OEM's the junk coolers if that's the issue (though most big OEM's prefer to use their own *WORSE* heatsinks. Oh my goodness, HP and Dell, they actually make the current stock intel fans look good.
Intel itself would benefit from selling better coolers as they could go back to guaranteeing even higher boosts than they used to (Now they list the boosts but put s * near them stating it's not a promise it will actually achieve those numbers.
Enough from me. Great vid.
Aluminum? My Intel stock cooler still has copper on it (LGA 1150)
Jose Cervantes most 4th gen coolers had a lapped copper plate not a core like 775 so its just a plate at the bottom instead of all the way through
Im actually overclocking my c2d e6750 to 3ghz and it peaks at 69C after 15mins stress testing on a stock cooler. I have a case fan supplying it with air too but holy moly. Im glad i tried to oc cause i read everywhere not to overclock on stocks. But they werent talking bout the thicc boi.
about testing-INTEL DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT U WERE SAYING
about that ending "and ill see ur smiling faces again in next video" then i smile like u said
The maximum temperature allowed at the processor Integrated Heat Spreade has increased over the years, a big cooler isn´t needed anymore to stay below that temperature.
i still have 2 of these decade old intel cooler with inner copper (from pentium 805 D and older 3Ghz pentium) and i'm very happy with them... running a quad core Q8400 from stock 2,66gHz to OCed 3,5gHz with just mid 60' C Temp and that with the quiet fan BIOS option ON! best intel stock cooler ever!
No surprise. First thing I did is replace the overheating hsf with a Noctua. No more worries.
Its refreshing to hear aluminum pronounced correctly, after living in the USA for over 10 years....
Have a look at the stock cooler for the 1366 i7 970, Intel has certainly regressed in that aspect
I'm still rocking my 8 year old i7-970 with stock cooler. Can OC to 4.1 on it. Solid.
I'm 1366 too but after a lot of years on a 960 i replaced it with a x5675 Xeon running 4.3 ghz under a BeQuiet dark rock 4 :)
Yeah that thing was basically a Hyper 212 in the box, looked good too
Higher temps => Lower lifespan => people have to buy CPUs more frequently. Making money > All
If your not overclocking it would last about 10 year
You don't need to snap off plastic clips, they are removable, also that 775 mobo isn't bad at all, it can do quads and has 4 dimm slots for 8 gb maximum, it only lacks in overclocking (intel mobo's) and vrm cooling (not critical cause no overclocking anyway) I've found one with Q9550 in the PC that was thrown away by some guys, now it's my testing rig, with SSD it can still be a decent performer as a daily driver, add a budget gpu like 750ti or 7850, and you have a lower tier gaming PC that could give you at least 30 FPS in FHD and low to medium settings, for like 40 bucks that you'll pay for gpu and free pc from dumpster (Q9550 or xeon E5450, can be found for another 10-15usd).
Testing a Wraith Prism and how it performs as overclocking cooler would be a great to see! As well, how the Wraith Prism performs against coolers actually made for overclocking like the industry standard > CM Hyper 212!
someone wasnt building PC's when the transition from LGA775 to LGA1156 happened ;-) the mounting pins were just slightly off and some 1156 boards had a secondary set of holes for LGA775 cooler compatibility
Congrats on nearly 300000 subscribers! That's a big number.
They had a line of those coolers just with different heights for celeron, dual core, quad core etc. I've still got a few. Those 775 socket parts overclocked well though, typically by 20 to 30 per cent, so I always went for bigger coolers. Hence a box of basically unused 10 year old intel coolers...
Old is gold
The pinout should be identical(since most old 775 aftermarket coolers fit 115x), the older stock cooler might not habe fit as the clips may be damaged
Intel still has a copper cored cooler. It is thin as crap, but they still have a copper slug in the middle. You have a 65W TDP cooler, compared to a "95"w TDP. And I think the actual C2D/C2Q cooler was probably more like 150W TDP+.
I must say that I've been straight up recycling my stock intel cooler for the past 10 years (since my first pc) and I've actually been really impressed at how well it's stood up to stress.
As a South African I must just express confusion at the WootWare sponsorship (They're awesome), but was really confused at them sponsoring stuff way out in the States
Uhhhh, I live in ZA.
That's awesome! Your channel details say USA strangely enough. Keep up the awesome work
I also got hand on that i extented those holes and mounted on 1151 with plastic pins so no tension of making back plate or extra long screws..... And with that on prime95 59°c was highest for second only 😍😍😍
Yeah, then try running one non stop, in summer, in Australia....
I've been wanting Intel to bring those bad boys back for years! Especially with the big copper core inside!
I found similar with my AMD FX4300 vs the FX8350 black, the 4300 had a much larger copper core cooler and the 8350 had a much smaller aluminum cooler. So I used the old cooler when I upgraded.
come on they are push pin clips you have to reset them when your remount the heatsink. danm dude
Yeah, that wasn't the problem.
The LGA 775 socket is different than the LGA 115x sockets
Yeap 775 not the same as 115/...
You should be able to get 2nd/3rd gen i5 heatsink with that copper slug, thus you won't have to re-do the holes for mounting 775 to 115x
That old cooler looks super clean and shiny. What the hell! oO
Anyone remember the stock coolers that came with the old AMD 965 Black Edition CPU's? They had heatpipes on them and decent surface areas, but they had probably the loudest fans ever! I mean they make the fan on my old GTX470 sound quiet by comparison haha
I think the reason why stock cooler quality go down is because cpu quality go up. Old core2duo cpus used to have lower tjunction max point and did not have OTP (not so sure about OTP though I am going from memory). Plus they did not include power save features such as c-states.
I noticed the same thing. I used the old style stock cooler to cool a 4790k and the thermals were fine. Turned it into a great little budget htpc/gaming box.
Still have a couple of them oldschool Intel box coolers. Running just fine on my C2D's. Unfortunately, as you've learned, the new mounting holes in modern motherboards are slightly off-set which makes the old coolers unfit for current devices (zip-ties aside).
No No No, new stickers "Zip Ties Inside"...
leg spacings on the 2 coolers are are 3mm different, that's why you had trouble fitting the Core 2 Duo Cooler on the i5 motherboard
Wow, the stock cooler has even gotten worse since skylake. The skylake coolers fins split off into two branches for more surface area and the new stock cooler in this video is just straight plain with no branching. You should compare a skylake and coffeelake cooler, that would be more interesting to me.
So wait wait wait...... If you are broke as HELL and someone gives you an Old 775 cooler you could get way better temperatures. Plus if you swapped out the zip ties for Like R3 worth of nuts and screws you could have a really awesome cooler for basically free 😱😱😱😱😱.
Test the Sandy/Ivy/Haswell thin boi. My Haswell Thinboi cooler has a copper slug in the middle of it (and the fans will still fit in the new motherboards without cutting them up)!
Might try moving that focus ring by hand, or choosing a different setting, or use a smaller apeture.
Thanks for this man. I've got a wide boy laying around that I'll no longer be getting rid of thanks to you.
I knew about the thick copper core, because I'm still riding the 775-train...
i noticed a thing with aida64, the stress test uses more power if you stress one thing at a time (the fpu is the most power hungry in my experience)
Older CPUs were less power efficient. They needed the bigger cooler. Despite enthusiasts insistence on lower temperatures and huge tower coolers, any temperatures that allow the CPU to operate safely will work. It’s makes sense to make CPUs more cost efficient by not bundling in more cooling than you need
How to trigger the whole world, say "aluminium and aluminum within 1 minute of each other"
Got two Skylake CPUs for my family a couple of years back. The Core i3 had a cooler like the smaller in your test while the Core i5-6600K had one of the bigger type.
I used the better cooler on the Core i3 and a 3rd party cooler for the Core i5...
i'm using the old style heatsink's alone on a mini mining rig, cpu's gering to 66 deg max while idle, in a closed case. Cpu is a pentium d 2160 i think
The current stock cooler does its job just fine. The older stock cooler would've presumably gotten similar temps on older cpus. No point in wasting material and money on something a lot of people throw in the bin.
I think the max allowed cpu temps went up from about 70 to 100 over the decade. I guess this allowed them to get away with a smaller cooler on the same TDP. Maybe they overdid it a bit though.
When you done these modifications, and zip tyied it, you made it dont have the propper pressure to the cpu, and also it wont be even with the cpu, it wont be propper 90°c with the cpu.
So if you modfyied it propperlly, it would perform better. Probably about 5-6°c.
I bought a bundle with q6600, Gigabyte Mobo, and 4gb's of ram. Got an original packed e6600 CPU with box and the good cooler, never used before! I am so lucky! :)
Test each year's best cooler starting at 2010? maybe you will see the same trend amongst the performance part.
I'm currently looking for a cooler to replace my stock.
I think I'll have to search all the old benchmarks since I guess a 2010 cooler will be cheap as chips compared to the '"latest and greatest" underperforming coolers.
funny fact. we are still using dual core and this kind of heatsink in asia.
Would have thought zip tied would be worse. Bet it would be even better with proper mount. Glad I have not thrown out my core 2 duo parts.
because of throttle feature which allows them to cut cost on material.
Copper is expensive. But I agree. Not only are the newer coolers smaller, but the fins are thinner.