its definitely surprising intel has used the old stock cooler for as long as it has so I’m interested to see how well these do with future generations lol
They didn't though. For a long time in the past 10 years they didn't ship their CPUs with any fans until recently. They stopped shipping those crappy fans after realizing they weren't good enough to cool off their chips while idling.
probably the same and will behave the same... as soon as some dust gets trapped between that recessed fan and the fins the fan will get clogged, motor will die and then you will have a burned up cpu...... my family learned this lesson in the early 2000's with the same design of fan.... never used it again and still surprised it still lives on today
@@firemochimc depends If you run the 11400 with unlimited tdp (what you should do) then its gonna hit 100c pretty quick So 11gen stock cooler is pretty mutch only usable on the i3 10100/10105 and below
@@robinkonig5828 I found that 11th gen stock cooler worked fine on 11400, provided it was set to exactly the PL and Tau limits that Intel specifies. It'd get up to 70-80C, but it would just barely not throttle. I had to run it like that for a week until parts for my loop arrived. I run it with 154W TDP now, more than that and the voltages become unstable on my board.
Intel went the route "just good enough" with these coolers. Usually you would stay on stock cooler until you upgrade to a big one or an AiO, but considering what kind of cpus they ship these coolers with.. they are 100% "just good enough" that you can stay on them without buying something aftermarket.. sooo thats good for the consumer i guess
I agree with this on i5s. On i7s and i9s though, you're losing a lot of processing power by limiting them to 65 watts. I wish they came with capable coolers for 125 sustained loads, then i'll grant you that "good enough" view
@@toto8665 I was eyeing a Coolermaster 212, not sure which one exactly though probably the EVO. I don't think you can go too wrong with any of them, but you will need to buy the updated mounting kit ($5) separately. I just have to decide if I want to go 12400 or 12600, with the 400 I would probably just use the one that comes in the box.
@@Wilqu5677 I've heard that in some countries you get a 3-year warranty from Intel when you buy the boxed CPU. Otherwise, you can only get a 1-year warranty from the vendor.
@@elfedorausado get a high power led chip and using thermal adhesive or drill/tap a screw to hold the LED or LEDs down and the LEDs uses the same 12v as the fan. Search for DIY high power LED and you should find a few options.
I was thinking of this. I picked up many aluminum fins for one dollar each including the fan and used them for LEDs. Now these new ones look prettier than the old ones with their black fins
AMD is also doing the same BS. They didn't even want to release Ryzen 5000 on older Gen boards and only did so because if the backlash. Also now that Intel outperforms AMD, AM4 is EOL and you'll need a new motherboard. So unless you got a current ryzen 5000 you will need to get a new board anyway. So basically the same shit on amd side as on Intel
@@maxzett You're an idiot if you think AMD can support a single socket infinitely. Eventually it will have to change. To support a single socket for 5 years while dominating the market is quite the achievement.
@@maxzett I thought amd did that because not all motherboards were compatible? Isn’t that the whole reason only a few motherboards could do a bios update and support those cpus?
I think for intel making a good cooler just isnt a goal, they know enthusiast will replace them anyways and for the office range the smaller heatsink works just fine.
They also know that 90% of non enthusiast prebuilts will not replace them and amd had people actually using the stock coolers as their actual cooler in custom builds as a cost saving measure
The chonky fins look good. would be happy to see them on an i5. it is a bit of joke to put it on an i9 though. Doesn't really matter though, because the value proposition of an i9 has never been anything besides a joke.
@@manicdan481 If someone buys a i9, they probably will get a different cooling solution. Maybe people can get the stock on ebay, if it is cheap. Especially for a base i5. It looks pretty good compared to a 25-30 dollar after market cooler.
@@PolanaAnurag when your tslking super low profile. Yes its not bad but any basic case can probably house a cheap tower cooler which would destroy the intel stock cooler.
intel: changes the socket every generation so upgrading the CPU requires a new motherboard and vice versa also intel: "but you can keep your old cooler! aren't we user-friendly!?"
If I remember correctly, the intel coolers from around 10 years ago had a temperature probe in the hub to measure ambient air temperature and change the fan speed accordingly. This way the fan speed could for example increase over time, while your cpu temperature stays the same. Is this still the case? And if so, did you account for this in your tests?
sorry but no connector to the mobo for a sensor hub was all voltage reg or PWM throu the bios and the temps therein. The coolers where and are the cheapest part in this.
@@smilingbandit6900 It's all done by the fan autonomously. Straight 12 V to the fan gives you a different speed depending on what the air temperature is. Internally-temperature-controlled fans have been used to add cooling to all kinds of equipment on the cheap, for decades.
Yeah I found this to be the case on my 4th gen cooler. It was still pwm controllable, but there was a thermistor and a microchip in there also controlling the fan... The motherboard was merely suggesting what the fan had to do. 100% fan speed when cold would give approx 2300-2500rpm. 100% fan speed in a hot case could give up to 2800-2900rpm, a measurable increase. In worst case scenarios you can probably achieve the full 3000rpm +/- 10% like in the design spec. This was mainly done due to the turbo boost algorithms causing cpu core temps to jump about a lot, not an issue for large 120mm fans with big inertia slowly ramping up and down, but a dinky little stock cooler would make an annoying noise like this.
I got a 12th gen i5 for my first pc build a few weeks ago and I think the new stock cooler works great. I think for most users like me who's fine with not being able to run everything at max settings and is happy with 60fps max the cooler it does it's job wonderfully at, well, cooling. I think it's important to remember that people who truly care about juicing every frame out of their systems will already be planning on buying high end coolers. I think it's fantastic for it's target audience.
I guess I still need to buy a dedicated cooler if I want to get an Intel CPU. It’s one of those things that makes me thankful that AMD actually packs a decent cooler with their chips.
It depends, if you don't get an overclocking enabled Intel CPU (so any non-K skew), the stock cooler is just fine. Anything different would be purely aesthetic, you gain no performance and "running you CPU cooler" is completely pointless if you don't intent to use that thermal headroom for overclocking.
@@christophmayer3991 It's not just about temps, it's also about noise, but lower temps also enable higher\ longer turbo boosts if I'm not mistaken, so they're good either way
@@johntrevy1 If your treat your Equipment Right then they will last a Long Time I have a PC that was made in 2004 and its still running strong its not to good at gaming but doing other things its fine
Less, but bigger fins decreases the aerodynamic drag at high fan speeds which would allow for more air to pass by the fins and would allow for more thermal energy to be released. More fins does not mean more better, there's an optimal ratio. *edit* I'm not claiming Intel has found the optimal ratio but there was an improvement of performance at high fan speeds which leads me to believe that this is why.
It does mean less surface area, and turbulence is not a bad thing in cooler design up to a point. Cooler design is a lot more complicated than it might seem at first.
I suspect that's not a problem given the vast majority of coolers, regardless of style, use very high numbers of very thin, high surface area, closely-packed fins. As someone that designs industrial heat exchangers, including air coolers, usually air pressure drop across the fins is lower on the optimization considerations. Almost always, in my experience, fin thickness and spacing is determined by the environment surrounding the fins. If the air isn't terribly clean, then very tight fin packings could lead to buildup on the fins or even clogs that actually would significantly reduce heat transfer. In corrosive, abrasive, thermally-extreme, etc. environments, thicker fins will last longer than thinner ones. If you look at the passive air coolers for PCs that sit outside the case, those guys are made of thick, highly-spaced fins, because they're designed to work in shops and other dirty environments. And they actually do need the extra spacing, because the air flow across them is induced by density gradients not forced by a fan. The inside of an average PC is extremely clean by comparison, and should have plenty of forced air flow not just from the CPU fan but by the case fans. Note: It is true that the longer and thinner you make fins, the less effective is their heat transfer to their attached pipe, tube, heat, heat pipe etc. However, this is almost always overridden by the benefits of the huge extra surface area by making them longer and more numerous. Obviously, I'm not an Intel engineer, and I don't have their thermal design documents. Nor am I really casting an opinion on their design. I'm just pointing out that I don't suspect pressure drop was a major factor in it.
Yes more airflow that doesn't do anything. Cooler manufactures have figured out what that 'optimal ratio' for almost 20 years and it is not what intel is using. And while yes technically more fins is not always better that is misleading. The biggest factors of cooling is the surface area, air velocity across the surface. and temperature difference not the volumetric flow passing above the fin.
Speaking for both AMD and Intel, I think i3s, i5s, Ryzen 3s and Ryzen 5s should include stock coolers, as these CPUs tend to have a 65w TDP, and therefor they don't *need* an aftermarket cooler.
Video Idea Could we get an updated video for 2022 of your "3D Modeling & Design - Do you REALLY need a Xeon and Quadro??" video. A cheap computer for 3D CAD modeling.
FYI: the +/- 10% on fan rpm has nothing to do with Intel loosly defining specs, it's just pretty much industry standard - even high-end fans like Noctuas have a 10% tolerance.
The thing is though is if someone is dropping the money and spec'd properly for an i9, assuming they're not just some bag with money to burn buying the most expensive thing at the store that day, they're likely definitely going to get a third party cooling solution anyway. Making something with aesthetic intentions in this market segment just doesn't make very much sense.
Why did Intel even bother. I feel like they could have contracted this out to CoolerMaster or other OEM for something like the Hyper 212 and just called it a day.
The Hyper 212 significantly reduces compatibile case range, but it's great in the air cooling field without going too deep into premiums. And the fan size means just slapping in a 120mm is a legit option.
If you have an AM4 socket, the Ryzen 5 5600x is hitting low right now. $224.99 at Newegg. I just bought it last week for $259 from B&H 😂 Still a great processor for gaming and general use.
OK, to whoever did the graphs: A big applause, but also a big shout at your face. Showing error bars is a really good thing to do! Please do it more often. But if you do, you HAVE to specify what they mean, if they don't mean what one would expect. And they don't, or at least they don't match what Linus says about them: At 5:03 there is no significant difference between the tests if those error bars are to be interpreted the normal way. This is, being a one sigma standard deviation or standard error. ( If instead those error bars are confidence intervals (which ones, 95 % ?) then I guess the difference would be kind of significant. But in that case there would also be a significant difference in the first graph where Linus says there isn't. )
Thanks for the comment! The bars represent +-1 degree, which is about as tight as I could confidently say our setup is able to measure between the onboard temperature sensors and our off-board sensors, as well as the room's thermal average.
@@LinusTechTips Ah - I see. Thanks for the answer and explanation! It confuses me though, that Linus says "across multiple tests", so I assumed multiple tests were done and the average value put in the graph. The interpretation of the error bar I then assumed to be the standard error (or similar) calculated from these multiple runs. You should either switch to this way of representing the data, but that would require always at least ~ 3 or so test runs; alternatively, state that the error bars are an estimate for the error of a single measurement. If you omit that, everyone who is somewhat fluent in statistics (a non-negligible fraction of you viewer base I'd guess) will be fooled.
Because Intel CPU dies are quite narrow, and already fully covered by the circular contact area, which makes the heatsink cheaper to produce without significantly compromising its cooling ability. Whereas AMD CPUs have multiple smaller dies that need to be fully covered, which explains the need for a wider contact surface.
Yeah never mind not having to worry about destroying the thing every time you work near it for a couple percent difference. It's all about the aesthetics.
I actually found the stock cooler for my i5 12400f to be surprisingly loud! Cooling performance was good, but I changed it out for a tower cooler because of the noise 😅.
4:15 wow some nostalgia, I got that cooler in the back by the hourglass with my 3930k back in the day, it was a pretty beefy stock cooler all things considered and it even had a blue led fan
You drive China cars too??? Joke, he is too evil! supporting the enemy... Deport them all back to China, including Linus himself! corrupt skum they are!
I thought my computer was supposed to be loud cause I was using cheap case fans, and then I swapped out my stock cpu fan that came with my 9700f and was blown away with how it was practically silent by comparison
"I-it has RGB and edgy fins!! Intel really cares about it's customers 😍😍" As if throttling under moderate load with these glorified e-waste pucks is somehow an improvement.
Despite the plastic mounts, I recently built a system for my father in law around the i5 12600 and used the stock cooler. It was easy enough to instal, ran lower than ambient room noise to the ear and keeps things as cool as they need to be. Sure, Noctua it ain’t, but for an included fan, I have no complaints. I really enjoyed the deeper look into this though, thanks for all the work you guys put into this.
I used my i5 12400f stock cooler fine for a month before replacing it. It audibly whirs but it's pretty quiet. Nothing to bad to say about it, it just worked. But my Arctic cooler cut temps and noise down to silence.
This is the first time in a while I'm early enough for you to have a chance at reading my comment, so I'd like to very sincerely ask you: please add official subtitles to your videos. They don't have to be perfect: you can just use the script you've written, even if there are some minor changes and ad-libs. Just please, please add official subtitles, as I've been watching your videos with RUclips's subs for a few years now and it's actually painful. It really hurts to see a large multi-channel company like yours set the example that subtitles aren't important when there's a substantial amount of people who watch your video with subs either because they like to or because they have to. When small channels with scriptless content can't afford to pay someone to make subs, I entirely understand, but I'd hope that you can be different both because you *do* have scripts and because you have the capacity to pay a service to make subs for you when you don't. I'm sure a large chunk of your community would really appreciate it. EDIT: The description of this Tom Scott video has some resources you could use very easily: ruclips.net/video/m__OZ3ZsO4Y/видео.html
Yeah, Intel is just being Intel. But do need to see tests with AMD coolers just because of it. xD By the way, I couldn't find when, where, why and how did the iterations of their intros across the years.
I feel like the RGB inclusion is a nice touch. It wouldn't be the main deciding factor but were I on the fence with everything else being close to equal I could see that tipping the scales.
I have the stock cooler on my 5600x right now because my Deepcool 240Ex failed, and im honestly REALLY surprised at how quiet it is, I literally can leave it at full blast and its not loud at all, my case fans on idle are louder than the CPU cooler at full blast.
I would have liked to see these compared against a tried-and-tested, affordable 3rd party CPU cooler like the Hyper 212. It's certainly not as cheap as it used to be, but it's been a workhorse for years, and the design hasn't changed much if at all, so it's a good control. If it it smokes the Intel stock cooler, then that gives a good point of comparison for how you should budget when purchasing one of these CPUs.
I bought i5-12400F while ago with stock cooler. The stock cooler is tedious to work with. It's so hard to mount it to motherboard, and it's so loud when doing some cpu bound work. It performs okay, but when it comes to cinebench test it can't keep the processor cool. Have switched to AIO Watercooling
NGL when I built my current PC years ago, I bought an aftermarket cooler master and I haven't touched it because the stock cooler AMD provides gets the job done. It run dead silent and gives great temps overall. Glad to see them improving 👍
Could they have swapped fans while testing so the fan in every test is the same as the previous test, and the metal heat sink itself is the only variable that changes?
I mean, these only matter for first time builders imo. Once you get an aftermarket cooler, you can use it for years before needing to get a new one. I used the same Hyper 212 EVO for a few years, an H75 for a few, and the same Arctic Freezer 240 for about six now. Those three coolers saw five CPUs between them so I’m glad I didn’t waste any really innovative coolers along the way besides the Wraith Prism? that came with my 1700.
That's a lot of copper for no heatpipes lol It blows my mind they don't ship a sick stock cooler(At the very least i9 K series) as they could advertise highers speeds/OC values.
It's nice to see intel actually improving their stock coolers, whereas AMD has been unimproving them. The cooler that shipped with a 2600X for example has a coolermaster fan and a good copper vapor chamber in the center of it, whereas the cooler that comes with the 5600X, whilst it looks the same, is just solid aluminum and has a lower quality no-name brand fan that is louder and is just set to run faster to account for the lessend capacity of the heatsink.
I'm kind of in the "who cares" camp. If i'm going to pay a boxed cooler tax, it might as well be as low as possible, and i'd maybe rather get nothing in the box at all. You can get an Arctic Freezer A13 X for 15€, and it has slightly better than Wraith Prism performance at a fraction of the noise.
Now of course, remember they’ve been slumped with poor sales in a decades. Wait till they started to get better, but of course.. that isn’t going to happen soon cause, attention to detail obviously isn’t a priority to them. So i kinda agree with Siana
I think they should ship all their CPU with a boxed version without cooler. I think a lot of us dont need the cooler and have a few bugs cheaper CPU and less waste.
Están re facheros, creo que fue bueno que al fin hayan puesto el ojo en el cooler. El de AMD de stock sin dudas era 50 veces mejor que el anterior de Intel.
It looks like they haven't changed the 2 things that I've always found make the stock Intel coolers junk. They're fine when they're new, but the flaws show up as you use them for a while. The top half of the cooler is a dust magnet because of the design of the fins and the clearance off the motherboard. Second, once the the clips get a bit dry the plastic can be brittle, so if you have to take it off you may well break them and end up with a useless cooler. Unfortunately it looks like both those issues are still there.
Not to mention, so easy to bugger those plastic clips too... Because my origina Core2 Wolfdale Stock Cooler would never stay seated if you moved the tower for any reason.
one thing that is not mentioned, all those small fin coolers, after a few years, there is a carpet of dust that obstruct all the air flow, i wonder if those new coolers would be bether for people who dont clean their PC's, would be easier for the tech guys who need to clean them because the users don't do that.
I think those coolers look good as hell. Especially the larger one. However, I'm more of a fan of quality over looks. I wonder if they'd thought of going with more smaller fins or if they just decided they didn't care
@Gene Connor I do, but I also have a 3070 that I got recently. I would say that if you are going to get a dedicated GPU, get the 5600x, but otherwise the 5600g is pretty decent. It’s not much less powerful, and although I can’t say much about gaming performance, it’s probably above average for integrated graphics. I also haven’t noticed any bottlenecks with PCIE 3.0 other than with my SSD, and apparently the 3070 can actually run with minimal bottleneck on PCIE 2.0. I would say the 12400 is probably overall better, at least for everything but temperature output maybe. Basically just look at some reviews if you want to decide.
My i3 10105f with stock cooler doesn't get past 60°C even in summer in a very small mATX case whith no fans. It also looks cool. It spends most of the time below 30°. IMHO performs better than Wraith stealth. My friend whith i5 11400f gets similar performances. The only bad thing is the mounting system. For non overclockable I3 and I5 the old stock cooler is just what you need.
Well, one cool thing about the ridiculous copper price is if it keeps rising we may see diamond core coolers, since diamond is 5x more head-conductive than copper. If someone figures out a process to cheaply make diamonds that're big enough in industrial quantities...
Considering that you have engineers employed, you not figuring out how different coolers on different rpm levels increase or decrease in performance compared to others, on the same rpm levels is really disappointing. Coolers are DESIGNED to work on different rpm and the design rpm differs on different model, especially considering 10 years of innovations.
its definitely surprising intel has used the old stock cooler for as long as it has so I’m interested to see how well these do with future generations lol
It's obvious you haven't watched the full video yet so why ur saying that idk
@Don’t read my profile picture i hate you lol
They didn't though. For a long time in the past 10 years they didn't ship their CPUs with any fans until recently. They stopped shipping those crappy fans after realizing they weren't good enough to cool off their chips while idling.
probably the same and will behave the same... as soon as some dust gets trapped between that recessed fan and the fins the fan will get clogged, motor will die and then you will have a burned up cpu......
my family learned this lesson in the early 2000's with the same design of fan.... never used it again and still surprised it still lives on today
I've done a serious amount of testing on that badboy, its good, until it gets a layer of dust so thick its basically wearing a wooly jumper
Whatever one came with my 11700f was dire. Couldn't keep it from thermal throttling under even very light loads.
It's probably only good for i5 or below CPUs
It's probably only good for i5 or below CPUs
@@firemochimc depends
If you run the 11400 with unlimited tdp (what you should do) then its gonna hit 100c pretty quick
So 11gen stock cooler is pretty mutch only usable on the i3 10100/10105 and below
@@robinkonig5828 I found that 11th gen stock cooler worked fine on 11400, provided it was set to exactly the PL and Tau limits that Intel specifies. It'd get up to 70-80C, but it would just barely not throttle.
I had to run it like that for a week until parts for my loop arrived. I run it with 154W TDP now, more than that and the voltages become unstable on my board.
11th gen intel is now notorious for running extremely hot
Intel went the route "just good enough" with these coolers. Usually you would stay on stock cooler until you upgrade to a big one or an AiO, but considering what kind of cpus they ship these coolers with.. they are 100% "just good enough" that you can stay on them without buying something aftermarket.. sooo thats good for the consumer i guess
I agree with this on i5s. On i7s and i9s though, you're losing a lot of processing power by limiting them to 65 watts. I wish they came with capable coolers for 125 sustained loads, then i'll grant you that "good enough" view
I think intel knew that people who would buy i7 s and i9 s were enthusiasts, who would likely buy a beefy cooler anyways.
Can you guys recommend me a better cooler than this Intel.. but cheap
@@toto8665 I was eyeing a Coolermaster 212, not sure which one exactly though probably the EVO. I don't think you can go too wrong with any of them, but you will need to buy the updated mounting kit ($5) separately. I just have to decide if I want to go 12400 or 12600, with the 400 I would probably just use the one that comes in the box.
@@toto8665 scythe fuma or arctic liquid freezer
It would've been cool if they came out with something similar to the Wraith cooler with RGB. I use it on my 2700X and Its Sexy and Cool.
so are you :3
The little touch of RGB on the wraith to me is perfect for a cooler 😎
@@ballstothewall38 FANBOY ALERT
Same setup here and the performance is great but I feel like the wraith gets extremely loud on the 2700x
@@ballstothewall38 hahaha ROG STRIX 108 ⁰C AMBASSADOR
Junior engineer: "Sir, the height of the cooler is 68.2 mm."
Senior: "....make it 69, will you?"
Junior (under breath): "nice"
Nice cringe
one more person like his comment
Nice joke
Joke, he is too evil! supporting the enemy...
Deport them all back to China, including Linus himself!
corrupt skum they are!
The Redditers are in my company
- CEO of Intel 2022(idk who is ceo lol”
2:02 OK I gotta say that's pretty sick that the Intel logo lights up and doesn't spin with the fan
Gives me NZXT vibes. Absolutely love it
Stroboscopic effect
@@marcelomastro1891 dunning kruger effect
Ive been very curious how a Wraith would cool an Intel chip. Looking forward to the LTT Labs video!
There have been multiple videos on that
I bought a 12th gen CPU last month. Didn't even realise it had a new CPU cooler until now... I didn't bother taking out of the box.
LMFAO
Why did you buy it boxed? That just costs more.
@@daanoffline5716 for warranty I guess?
@@lanxiaoli2659 he will have warranty either way...
@@Wilqu5677 I've heard that in some countries you get a 3-year warranty from Intel when you buy the boxed CPU. Otherwise, you can only get a 1-year warranty from the vendor.
Consumers that use these heat sinks for LED cooling will definitely be super happy!
They do? I mean, how? Can you please provide some context to your comment? You got me curious
@@elfedorausado get a high power led chip and using thermal adhesive or drill/tap a screw to hold the LED or LEDs down and the LEDs uses the same 12v as the fan. Search for DIY high power LED and you should find a few options.
@@Gold63Beast thanks 😊
I was thinking of this. I picked up many aluminum fins for one dollar each including the fan and used them for LEDs. Now these new ones look prettier than the old ones with their black fins
Yep, my dad is using some of my old CPU coolers for LED grow lights.
now all we need to see is how they look with 5 years of dust caked on
Oh yeah see yuh in 2025
@@CaptainScorpio24 2027
years of dust? Just have a smoker and a cat move in.
@@manlikeilyas yup 😌
It's pretty cool to see them competing at last, but AMD's multi-generation sockets are still kinda unrivaled for value.
AMD is also doing the same BS.
They didn't even want to release Ryzen 5000 on older Gen boards and only did so because if the backlash.
Also now that Intel outperforms AMD, AM4 is EOL and you'll need a new motherboard.
So unless you got a current ryzen 5000 you will need to get a new board anyway.
So basically the same shit on amd side as on Intel
@@maxzett amd keep their promise, 5 year on am4.
@@maxzett You're an idiot if you think AMD can support a single socket infinitely. Eventually it will have to change. To support a single socket for 5 years while dominating the market is quite the achievement.
@@maxzett I thought amd did that because not all motherboards were compatible? Isn’t that the whole reason only a few motherboards could do a bios update and support those cpus?
@@dogger20011 amd only started to dominate with Ryzen 5000 tho
I think for intel making a good cooler just isnt a goal, they know enthusiast will replace them anyways and for the office range the smaller heatsink works just fine.
why but the boxed CPU's ????
i never owned i Box CPU myself...
They also know that 90% of non enthusiast prebuilts will not replace them and amd had people actually using the stock coolers as their actual cooler in custom builds as a cost saving measure
The chonky fins look good. would be happy to see them on an i5. it is a bit of joke to put it on an i9 though. Doesn't really matter though, because the value proposition of an i9 has never been anything besides a joke.
They want the cooler to look good because they know it will just be sitting on a shelf as a display piece.
@@manicdan481 If someone buys a i9, they probably will get a different cooling solution. Maybe people can get the stock on ebay, if it is cheap. Especially for a base i5. It looks pretty good compared to a 25-30 dollar after market cooler.
@@PolanaAnurag when your tslking super low profile. Yes its not bad but any basic case can probably house a cheap tower cooler which would destroy the intel stock cooler.
Iron Man vibes
I'm sure you will be able to get those coolers for next to nothing on eBay in a year.
I have always liked AMD's stock coolers over the Intel ones. I mean come on, heat pipes vs solid copper/aluminum?
From the Ryzen, sure. But the AMD's FX stock coolers were a joke.
Amd stock cooler aren't much either, I've watched a lot of RUclips videos with the ryzen 7 5800x ~45c degrees being hot
@@redrush-hp9li thats not hot lol
@@caiustox They are good for 65W CPUs. For high powered ones they spin up too aggressively.
@@caiustox Maybe they gave up after seeing how much heat Bulldozer generated.
Upgraded from Intel's i3 10100 stock cooler to a ~$23 cooler master i71C, and along with it looking cool it improved my average temp by about 10°C 🌚
dang, nice!
I'm curious, why the i3-10100?
@@luhgarlicbread really great price to performance.
Its an i3 how hot is it real going to get?
@Balakeh Well you guys are gonna love the 12100 then. It's something like a 40% improvement performance wise and outperforms the 7700k.
Well you're all fine with stock if it's a 10100 lol
intel: changes the socket every generation so upgrading the CPU requires a new motherboard and vice versa
also intel: "but you can keep your old cooler! aren't we user-friendly!?"
well it's more so Intel can save money. no point in changing a design that works (unless you're trying to save copper)
@@dudelookatree It's actually a good idea, IMO. That way people invest more in a good quality cooler they can reuse.
I love the editors having fun in the intros
@Don’t read my profile picture ok
@@J-wm4ss lol don't know what the fuck these bots want. It's like... Okay I'm not gonna read it. Thank you for telling me.
@@moz6388 it’s actually some dude using reverse psychology to rickroll them
Linus: I don't get it Intel
Intel: We're inside the box!
1:48
If I remember correctly, the intel coolers from around 10 years ago had a temperature probe in the hub to measure ambient air temperature and change the fan speed accordingly. This way the fan speed could for example increase over time, while your cpu temperature stays the same. Is this still the case? And if so, did you account for this in your tests?
I am gessing its all software based now.
sorry but no connector to the mobo for a sensor hub was all voltage reg or PWM throu the bios and the temps therein. The coolers where and are the cheapest part in this.
@@smilingbandit6900 It's all done by the fan autonomously. Straight 12 V to the fan gives you a different speed depending on what the air temperature is. Internally-temperature-controlled fans have been used to add cooling to all kinds of equipment on the cheap, for decades.
Yeah I found this to be the case on my 4th gen cooler. It was still pwm controllable, but there was a thermistor and a microchip in there also controlling the fan... The motherboard was merely suggesting what the fan had to do.
100% fan speed when cold would give approx 2300-2500rpm.
100% fan speed in a hot case could give up to 2800-2900rpm, a measurable increase. In worst case scenarios you can probably achieve the full 3000rpm +/- 10% like in the design spec.
This was mainly done due to the turbo boost algorithms causing cpu core temps to jump about a lot, not an issue for large 120mm fans with big inertia slowly ramping up and down, but a dinky little stock cooler would make an annoying noise like this.
I got a 12th gen i5 for my first pc build a few weeks ago and I think the new stock cooler works great. I think for most users like me who's fine with not being able to run everything at max settings and is happy with 60fps max the cooler it does it's job wonderfully at, well, cooling. I think it's important to remember that people who truly care about juicing every frame out of their systems will already be planning on buying high end coolers. I think it's fantastic for it's target audience.
Does your temp reaches 60-70°C if in use? Mine reaches that temperature lol.
I guess I still need to buy a dedicated cooler if I want to get an Intel CPU. It’s one of those things that makes me thankful that AMD actually packs a decent cooler with their chips.
It depends, if you don't get an overclocking enabled Intel CPU (so any non-K skew), the stock cooler is just fine. Anything different would be purely aesthetic, you gain no performance and "running you CPU cooler" is completely pointless if you don't intent to use that thermal headroom for overclocking.
@@christophmayer3991 Lower Temps, Higher Boost Headroom and it can hold Boost Longer if it gets warm it thermo throttles
@@christophmayer3991 It's not just about temps, it's also about noise, but lower temps also enable higher\ longer turbo boosts if I'm not mistaken, so they're good either way
@@christophmayer3991 CPU longevity maybe? But then by the time the CPU does kick the bucket you would have moved well on by then.
@@johntrevy1 If your treat your Equipment Right then they will last a Long Time I have a PC that was made in 2004 and its still running strong its not to good at gaming but doing other things its fine
Less, but bigger fins decreases the aerodynamic drag at high fan speeds which would allow for more air to pass by the fins and would allow for more thermal energy to be released. More fins does not mean more better, there's an optimal ratio.
*edit*
I'm not claiming Intel has found the optimal ratio but there was an improvement of performance at high fan speeds which leads me to believe that this is why.
Yeah this is visibly not the perfect ratio else we would have seen similar fins in many other coolers be on computers or other tech.
It does mean less surface area, and turbulence is not a bad thing in cooler design up to a point. Cooler design is a lot more complicated than it might seem at first.
I think linus is high
I suspect that's not a problem given the vast majority of coolers, regardless of style, use very high numbers of very thin, high surface area, closely-packed fins. As someone that designs industrial heat exchangers, including air coolers, usually air pressure drop across the fins is lower on the optimization considerations. Almost always, in my experience, fin thickness and spacing is determined by the environment surrounding the fins. If the air isn't terribly clean, then very tight fin packings could lead to buildup on the fins or even clogs that actually would significantly reduce heat transfer. In corrosive, abrasive, thermally-extreme, etc. environments, thicker fins will last longer than thinner ones. If you look at the passive air coolers for PCs that sit outside the case, those guys are made of thick, highly-spaced fins, because they're designed to work in shops and other dirty environments. And they actually do need the extra spacing, because the air flow across them is induced by density gradients not forced by a fan. The inside of an average PC is extremely clean by comparison, and should have plenty of forced air flow not just from the CPU fan but by the case fans.
Note: It is true that the longer and thinner you make fins, the less effective is their heat transfer to their attached pipe, tube, heat, heat pipe etc. However, this is almost always overridden by the benefits of the huge extra surface area by making them longer and more numerous.
Obviously, I'm not an Intel engineer, and I don't have their thermal design documents. Nor am I really casting an opinion on their design. I'm just pointing out that I don't suspect pressure drop was a major factor in it.
Yes more airflow that doesn't do anything. Cooler manufactures have figured out what that 'optimal ratio' for almost 20 years and it is not what intel is using. And while yes technically more fins is not always better that is misleading. The biggest factors of cooling is the surface area, air velocity across the surface. and temperature difference not the volumetric flow passing above the fin.
The fact that the intro is the most replayed part of the video says a lot about the dark version of it.
Speaking for both AMD and Intel, I think i3s, i5s, Ryzen 3s and Ryzen 5s should include stock coolers, as these CPUs tend to have a 65w TDP, and therefor they don't *need* an aftermarket cooler.
linus got some fire editors ngl
thank the macro keyboard
*warehouses
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Could we get an updated video for 2022 of your
"3D Modeling & Design - Do you REALLY need a Xeon and Quadro??" video.
A cheap computer for 3D CAD modeling.
1:47 I'll never tire of this joke
FYI: the +/- 10% on fan rpm has nothing to do with Intel loosly defining specs, it's just pretty much industry standard - even high-end fans like Noctuas have a 10% tolerance.
That wasn’t what they were saying
I think the given tolerances are often much more generous than what they actually make, probably to reduce recalls.
That second one is pure for looks, but i think they nailed it for a box fan :D
Deport them all back to China, including Linus himself!
corrupt skum they are!
@@lucasrem1870 what are you on about 😐
The thing is though is if someone is dropping the money and spec'd properly for an i9, assuming they're not just some bag with money to burn buying the most expensive thing at the store that day, they're likely definitely going to get a third party cooling solution anyway. Making something with aesthetic intentions in this market segment just doesn't make very much sense.
Anyone remember when Intel made beefy coolers to ship with the Extreme Edition unlocked chips? The cooler that came with the QX9650 was a BEAST.
I have one of those. I just wish there was a way to fix it cause I got it broken but LGA 775 is meh at this point
Linus hitting us with the sponsor segment has the same energy as being rick rolled
Joke, he is too evil! supporting the enemy...
Deport them all back to China, including Linus himself!
corrupt skum they are!
1:32 my zip ties beg to differ
Why did Intel even bother. I feel like they could have contracted this out to CoolerMaster or other OEM for something like the Hyper 212 and just called it a day.
They saving a buck just like there copper
The Hyper 212 significantly reduces compatibile case range, but it's great in the air cooling field without going too deep into premiums.
And the fan size means just slapping in a 120mm is a legit option.
CoolerMaster is even OEM for all of AMD's wraith coolers and they are very solid performers
@@Aereto fair point about the height. I do think most "standard" OEM PCs should be able to handle a modified version of it.
As someone with Ryzen 1st gen, Intel 12th gen is pretty tempting.
Just wait for Zen 4 lol. Or upgrade to Zen 3 if your board can handle it.
Yeah economically speaking if you got a b450 board or similar you're better off just changing for another ryzen chip
If you have an AM4 socket, the Ryzen 5 5600x is hitting low right now. $224.99 at Newegg. I just bought it last week for $259 from B&H 😂 Still a great processor for gaming and general use.
consoom
@@no_misaki how is that a consooom moment? First gen Ryzen is a bit slow for some modern games lol
OK, to whoever did the graphs: A big applause, but also a big shout at your face.
Showing error bars is a really good thing to do! Please do it more often. But if you do, you HAVE to specify what they mean, if they don't mean what one would expect. And they don't, or at least they don't match what Linus says about them: At 5:03 there is no significant difference between the tests if those error bars are to be interpreted the normal way. This is, being a one sigma standard deviation or standard error.
( If instead those error bars are confidence intervals (which ones, 95 % ?) then I guess the difference would be kind of significant. But in that case there would also be a significant difference in the first graph where Linus says there isn't. )
Thanks for the comment! The bars represent +-1 degree, which is about as tight as I could confidently say our setup is able to measure between the onboard temperature sensors and our off-board sensors, as well as the room's thermal average.
True. First graph does not match what Linus is saying. They should explain it better.
@@LinusTechTips Ah - I see. Thanks for the answer and explanation!
It confuses me though, that Linus says "across multiple tests", so I assumed multiple tests were done and the average value put in the graph. The interpretation of the error bar I then assumed to be the standard error (or similar) calculated from these multiple runs. You should either switch to this way of representing the data, but that would require always at least ~ 3 or so test runs; alternatively, state that the error bars are an estimate for the error of a single measurement. If you omit that, everyone who is somewhat fluent in statistics (a non-negligible fraction of you viewer base I'd guess) will be fooled.
I really don’t see why intel uses a circle for the contact point they’d surely improve more if it was full contact copper like AmD 🤔
Because Intel CPU dies are quite narrow, and already fully covered by the circular contact area, which makes the heatsink cheaper to produce without significantly compromising its cooling ability.
Whereas AMD CPUs have multiple smaller dies that need to be fully covered, which explains the need for a wider contact surface.
Intel: we change our stock cooler
Linus: and i took it personally
Yeah never mind not having to worry about destroying the thing every time you work near it for a couple percent difference. It's all about the aesthetics.
He has an Asian wife too, he loves Asian corruption!
Canadia skum people, ads!
Aesthetics, sure, I'm sure you look at your PC a lot when playing...
I actually found the stock cooler for my i5 12400f to be surprisingly loud! Cooling performance was good, but I changed it out for a tower cooler because of the noise 😅.
most gamers do headset
4:15 wow some nostalgia, I got that cooler in the back by the hourglass with my 3930k back in the day, it was a pretty beefy stock cooler all things considered and it even had a blue led fan
Intel stock coolers are like the spare tire that came with your new car. Only meant to be used in an emergency until you can get a good one.
You drive China cars too???
Joke, he is too evil! supporting the enemy...
Deport them all back to China, including Linus himself!
corrupt skum they are!
Man it's been years since I played around inside a desktop case swapping parts for fun. Things have come a long way since I moved to a laptop.
I thought my computer was supposed to be loud cause I was using cheap case fans, and then I swapped out my stock cpu fan that came with my 9700f and was blown away with how it was practically silent by comparison
Someone is definitely gonna use this for an ironman themed build as an arc reactor
one day, number 69 won't be followed by "nice", and I dread that day
$20 air coolers on amazon are better than all stock coolers.
0:37 bruh they look like ironman's heart
Not video related but I would really like to see an SD Card speed comparison, mainly for use in the steam deck.
Intel no longer being hella greedy with their products like their coolers. God I love healthy competition.
@Don’t read my profile picture stfu I won't
you clearly didn’t watch the video
@@alexkwan3 YOU clearly didn't watch the video.
"I-it has RGB and edgy fins!! Intel really cares about it's customers 😍😍"
As if throttling under moderate load with these glorified e-waste pucks is somehow an improvement.
@@wta1518 ?
Despite the plastic mounts, I recently built a system for my father in law around the i5 12600 and used the stock cooler. It was easy enough to instal, ran lower than ambient room noise to the ear and keeps things as cool as they need to be. Sure, Noctua it ain’t, but for an included fan, I have no complaints.
I really enjoyed the deeper look into this though, thanks for all the work you guys put into this.
Running a 12100 on stock cooler. Super silent & temps under control, like in 60s under load.
These coolers are great
I like that I can easily skip ads on my iPad. 😂
Good work testing these and thank you for sharing.
Colin's Corridor Digital shirt thoooo
I used my i5 12400f stock cooler fine for a month before replacing it. It audibly whirs but it's pretty quiet. Nothing to bad to say about it, it just worked. But my Arctic cooler cut temps and noise down to silence.
Which model did u buy?
@@moooo7223 Arctic Freezer 34 in white, one fan cause it was cheaper in my country to buy the second fan separately.
This is the first time in a while I'm early enough for you to have a chance at reading my comment, so I'd like to very sincerely ask you: please add official subtitles to your videos. They don't have to be perfect: you can just use the script you've written, even if there are some minor changes and ad-libs. Just please, please add official subtitles, as I've been watching your videos with RUclips's subs for a few years now and it's actually painful. It really hurts to see a large multi-channel company like yours set the example that subtitles aren't important when there's a substantial amount of people who watch your video with subs either because they like to or because they have to. When small channels with scriptless content can't afford to pay someone to make subs, I entirely understand, but I'd hope that you can be different both because you *do* have scripts and because you have the capacity to pay a service to make subs for you when you don't. I'm sure a large chunk of your community would really appreciate it.
EDIT: The description of this Tom Scott video has some resources you could use very easily: ruclips.net/video/m__OZ3ZsO4Y/видео.html
linus: "OUR SPONSOR" me: *mashes right arrow rapidly*
Most agree these stock coolers lack the cooling capacity of aftermarket solutions. It should have been noted in this video.
Yeah, Intel is just being Intel. But do need to see tests with AMD coolers just because of it. xD
By the way, I couldn't find when, where, why and how did the iterations of their intros across the years.
They could save tons of copper if they asked us if we wanted the stock coolers. I have 2 wraith prism coolers from amd. I've never used them
You can. They offer options with no stock cooler - both Intel and Ryzen does.
@@opxssum551 interesting when did that start?
How much for u to send one over lol?
@@AMD_Fan_98 lol I personally wouldn't recommend stock coolers. But the Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro is amazing for thermals.
@AMD_Fan_98 also extremely quiet.
You're forgetting the tower cooler that came with the 6 core extreme series on socket 1366. (i7 980x and i7 990x).
Finally some one mentions it. I still have the cooler. I wish it was hole compatible with other i7 series.
I feel like the RGB inclusion is a nice touch. It wouldn't be the main deciding factor but were I on the fence with everything else being close to equal I could see that tipping the scales.
I actually really like the look of the RH1 cooler... though I'm probably going to stick to my NH-D15 when I upgrade
Definitely do use the noctua. It's far better
Idk why you would even consider getting rid of your NH-D15.
The new cooler definitely looks like an Arc Reactor.
I love you 😗
I just drilled new holes in my arctic aio bracket. I've had no issues thus far.
soon the copper slug will turn into a thin piece of copper tape on the bottom, lol
I have the stock cooler on my 5600x right now because my Deepcool 240Ex failed, and im honestly REALLY surprised at how quiet it is, I literally can leave it at full blast and its not loud at all, my case fans on idle are louder than the CPU cooler at full blast.
I would have liked to see these compared against a tried-and-tested, affordable 3rd party CPU cooler like the Hyper 212. It's certainly not as cheap as it used to be, but it's been a workhorse for years, and the design hasn't changed much if at all, so it's a good control. If it it smokes the Intel stock cooler, then that gives a good point of comparison for how you should budget when purchasing one of these CPUs.
hahaha he said le funny number i'm dying of laughter
What was that finger transition? 😂
I bought i5-12400F while ago with stock cooler. The stock cooler is tedious to work with. It's so hard to mount it to motherboard, and it's so loud when doing some cpu bound work. It performs okay, but when it comes to cinebench test it can't keep the processor cool. Have switched to AIO Watercooling
Im Still Using A AMD Box Cooler And Its Working Great.
Same, years later
Why Do You Capitalize Every Word
i had my hand on the skip button to prepare for the segway. guess what? caught off guard again. great job btw😁
When you’re too early sponserBlock doesn’t skip the ad and intro
NGL when I built my current PC years ago, I bought an aftermarket cooler master and I haven't touched it because the stock cooler AMD provides gets the job done. It run dead silent and gives great temps overall. Glad to see them improving 👍
Could they have swapped fans while testing so the fan in every test is the same as the previous test, and the metal heat sink itself is the only variable that changes?
damn that subtle painting detail at the walls is deep
I mean, these only matter for first time builders imo. Once you get an aftermarket cooler, you can use it for years before needing to get a new one. I used the same Hyper 212 EVO for a few years, an H75 for a few, and the same Arctic Freezer 240 for about six now. Those three coolers saw five CPUs between them so I’m glad I didn’t waste any really innovative coolers along the way besides the Wraith Prism? that came with my 1700.
Whatever came with my i5 13500, was such a piece of garbage. Unacceptable even free of charge😑
That's a lot of copper for no heatpipes lol
It blows my mind they don't ship a sick stock cooler(At the very least i9 K series) as they could advertise highers speeds/OC values.
Am I the only one who thinks that higher end intel stock cooler took some design cues from Iron Man's Heart?
Linus talking about new cpu me: ooh sync me RGB ima head out
It's nice to see intel actually improving their stock coolers, whereas AMD has been unimproving them. The cooler that shipped with a 2600X for example has a coolermaster fan and a good copper vapor chamber in the center of it, whereas the cooler that comes with the 5600X, whilst it looks the same, is just solid aluminum and has a lower quality no-name brand fan that is louder and is just set to run faster to account for the lessend capacity of the heatsink.
I'm kind of in the "who cares" camp. If i'm going to pay a boxed cooler tax, it might as well be as low as possible, and i'd maybe rather get nothing in the box at all. You can get an Arctic Freezer A13 X for 15€, and it has slightly better than Wraith Prism performance at a fraction of the noise.
Now of course, remember they’ve been slumped with poor sales in a decades. Wait till they started to get better, but of course.. that isn’t going to happen soon cause, attention to detail obviously isn’t a priority to them. So i kinda agree with Siana
I think they should ship all their CPU with a boxed version without cooler. I think a lot of us dont need the cooler and have a few bugs cheaper CPU and less waste.
0:41 did they just use the 12900k box as a magnifying glass?
Tony stark was definitely involved in the design, looks like one of his mini arc reactor
Están re facheros, creo que fue bueno que al fin hayan puesto el ojo en el cooler. El de AMD de stock sin dudas era 50 veces mejor que el anterior de Intel.
It looks like they haven't changed the 2 things that I've always found make the stock Intel coolers junk. They're fine when they're new, but the flaws show up as you use them for a while. The top half of the cooler is a dust magnet because of the design of the fins and the clearance off the motherboard. Second, once the the clips get a bit dry the plastic can be brittle, so if you have to take it off you may well break them and end up with a useless cooler. Unfortunately it looks like both those issues are still there.
Not to mention, so easy to bugger those plastic clips too... Because my origina Core2 Wolfdale Stock Cooler would never stay seated if you moved the tower for any reason.
one thing that is not mentioned, all those small fin coolers, after a few years, there is a carpet of dust that obstruct all the air flow, i wonder if those new coolers would be bether for people who dont clean their PC's, would be easier for the tech guys who need to clean them because the users don't do that.
Never, not even once have I used a stock CPU cooler nor do I have any plans to change.
I think those coolers look good as hell. Especially the larger one. However, I'm more of a fan of quality over looks. I wonder if they'd thought of going with more smaller fins or if they just decided they didn't care
Smaller fins have a lower rate of heat flow. Maybe this is the optimal fin thickness for this design
Intel’s CPU cooler is horrible, my CPU idled at 50 - 65 degrees. I upgraded to a cooler master hyper 212 black edition and my temps are amazing now.
Wow I didn’t know Intel’s coolers were that bad. My AMD 5600G idles at around 40°C using their cooler.
@Gene Connor I do, but I also have a 3070 that I got recently. I would say that if you are going to get a dedicated GPU, get the 5600x, but otherwise the 5600g is pretty decent. It’s not much less powerful, and although I can’t say much about gaming performance, it’s probably above average for integrated graphics.
I also haven’t noticed any bottlenecks with PCIE 3.0 other than with my SSD, and apparently the 3070 can actually run with minimal bottleneck on PCIE 2.0.
I would say the 12400 is probably overall better, at least for everything but temperature output maybe.
Basically just look at some reviews if you want to decide.
Whoa those old coolers were 3000 rpm to 3150 rpm. Why am I not surprised Delta made some of them?
My i3 10105f with stock cooler doesn't get past 60°C even in summer in a very small mATX case whith no fans. It also looks cool. It spends most of the time below 30°. IMHO performs better than Wraith stealth. My friend whith i5 11400f gets similar performances. The only bad thing is the mounting system. For non overclockable I3 and I5 the old stock cooler is just what you need.
I always thought i was alone hating intel stock coolers
You are not alone, good friend
Woah 38 seconds ago? I got here quick
Well, one cool thing about the ridiculous copper price is if it keeps rising we may see diamond core coolers, since diamond is 5x more head-conductive than copper. If someone figures out a process to cheaply make diamonds that're big enough in industrial quantities...
Funny, I work at Intel's Ronler Acres campus as a contractor and our office building is called RS1, neat coincidence
I like potatos
Me too man
@@Matty.Hill_87 ma man
Considering that you have engineers employed, you not figuring out how different coolers on different rpm levels increase or decrease in performance compared to others, on the same rpm levels is really disappointing. Coolers are DESIGNED to work on different rpm and the design rpm differs on different model, especially considering 10 years of innovations.
Not mentioning anything about locking core voltages on the CPU while testing coolers is also quite sad.
that arc reactor decal tho
There's something to Linus bamboozing us with ads, always gets me by surprise.