I think the last page isn't saying that there will be a sequel but saying that this will happen over and over again because we're people and history repeats.
Isayama could’ve followed through what he made Kruger say, about the way to end the cycle, it’s all there “make a family, love someone, love the people of the walls etc.” it’s right in our faces, it’s also a fact that Kruger wasn’t solely talking to Grisha alone which makes it a solid base for an ending plot, for Eren to have something another reason to fight for not just for friends, his people and ending the cycle(unlike what we got) All of the character’s ending was for nothing, Renier’s character conclusion is insulting, Levi’s ending was just right(wouldn’t wanna dirty THE Cashcow), the rest character conclusions was even more insulting.. mass murderers and accomplices of Eren’s genocide being “Ambassadors of peace”????.. but at the very least Isayama chose the “hopeful” route and ended it to what it would logically do, Armin’s idealistic passion destroyed.. they wasted and assassinated Historia’s character, all the parallels went to nothing, her baby being the first free royal child/eldian born, her almost 3 years of absence, lack of input to the last arc for nothing, completely thrown aside for some pretentious subversion to satisfy certain fans using a last minute reveal of Ymir’s stupid intentions he made Eren’s actions pointless in the grander scheme his “plans” were simply gambles, his mother was less important than his friends apparently and _(despite having almost the entirety of his life living along the girl he apparently liked and while not showing a hint of romacr 99% of the time)_ he cried from not getting the p*ssy instead of you know GUILT from having to kiII 80% of the world.., “but it shows he’s just a teenag-“ SHUT THE F#CK UP. it turns out everything he did was just an act and was all a part of Ymir’s simulation, which is.. *to see someone obsessed with her lover(like her) kiII the one she’s obsessed with...* and that is supposed to be how Ymir got free’d.. He’s making a fool out of his audiences..
Yeah but the point is that boy resembles Mikasa his haire style is somewhat like Levi so there could be a reason for that and also in sc pages eren says if there is a sequel we should watch it together
When I first saw Attack On Titan S1's colossal titan I thought that was the king of the titans and there would be an ultimate battle to defeat it. Look how much my thoughts have changed.
Meanwhile Ymir Fritz quit her job as Titan Molder for good. If someone rediscovers Titan powers, Eren will be the new Titan Molder. This time no royal blood necessary to have the Founding Titan's power, just Eren's favor.
When I saw leaks I thought to myself what if the child falls and child Eren catches him preventing him from falling into harms way and that's how the story ended.
A damn, true since every time Eren dies he goes backwards to that first scene. Amazing how the story ties itself since the very beginning. But, doesn’t he just see the future of what happens and immediately forgets even though he doesn’t have the titan yet? I’m kinda confused
I can’t believe that it’s ending,it only feels like yesterday when this series first came out. Thinks we’re so simple back then,it was just about giant,naked humans.
The scene with the bird is clearly symbolic. The bird is hinted thoughtout the entire show especially in the intros and outros. A bird symbolizes freedom, it's Eren's "spirit animal". The bird stop to wrap the scarf around her and then kept flying forward. Like Eren came into her life wrap the scarf around her and then kept moving forward. The scene captures their entire relationship in one moment.
This how it actually went” “After Eren dies” Eren wakes up hearing an angelic voice and lights surrounds him” *”Hey, Hey you,You tried to cross the boarder right?”*
Ymir’s Character makes perfect sense when you think about domestic abuse victims. They constantly return to their abuser because they feel they have no choice. Not that hard to grasp. I feel like a lot of fans forget that Isyama writes characters like humans we know in real life.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that understood that. There is a reason why it’s hard for people to leave an abusive relationship. You think you’re doing a good thing by staying and helping them but they’re just ducking your own will away
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП she was always a slave though. That’s what you’re failing to understand. She literally does not understand love because she was never taught love properly. She lived in an era of war, where it’s killed or be killed. Love wasn’t abstract like in our time. You’re talking like Ymir lived in a time where we live. You’re points aren’t valid if you’re failing to realize what time period Ymir lives in.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП not every time someone stays with their abuser it’s Stockholm syndrome. She doesn’t even have that. She literally has no where else to go. (Her thoughts) she never lived a happy life to begin with. I understand where you’re coming from but seriously though we meet Ymir as a slave. And she ends her life as a “slave” but with Titan powers. If your life was never good but you gained something with the next person that’s where you will stay. This was her logic I believe. Also Ymir wasn’t really a character to dig into frfr. Origin stories are supposed to be plain.
I don’t think Eren erased Mikasa’s memories, I believe he brought her to the paths moments before his death, that’s how I interpreted it. Time does work differently in the paths
Alex is Fluffy he bought them time and foundation to settle with the outside world. Otherwise Marley would’ve killed all of them. Another ending would’ve been unrealistic. 2000 years of fear and mistrust doesn’t just go away. They don’t just immediately believe the Titans are gone, just the Eldians said so. But since they saved them the outside world may be more open to what the Eldians got to say. That was Eren’s plan. Things don’t solve itself over night, just look at how war is still going on in the real world. But it’s not as much as it used to be because people started communicating with each other.
Well it makes sense, Isyama doesn't really believe in "true love". Its one of the reasons why I love AOT so much. I agree with his disbelief of true love in a story, though I wouldn't mind if there was romance, I just don't enjoy romance as much. Also didn't isyama apologize for rushing it cause he had a limit for pages? or was that just a rumor-
@@livingfire1 still tho i don't want a sequel. I think this ending as a whole reflects the nature of Attack on Titan:Tragic. I hated these pages when they were leaked, but they remained truthful to the series
It's like leaving behind your responsibilities to the hands of the future (something that is worth saving) and facing the consequences. Pretty much it's like "Now is better than later otherwise things would get bad and drag out". This is also another consequence to "If you never keep on moving forward this would happen (otherwise the things that are (left) behind where you were advancing would come forth and things would take a different turn and things you ever wanted to become wouldn't come true due to not moving forward). Starting the cycle over again.
Just to mention this, Eren wasn’t putting on a strong front. The person he is seen as in S4 is the person he became after all he’s been through. That outburst doesn’t define his character, it was just the result of all the countless emotions building up within him throughout the Rumbling, as well as his grief that he’ll never see any of his friends again. He was just venting, there is nothing more to it. And after he vented, he regains his grip on his emotions. He clearly asks Armin not to tell Mikasa about it and he also admits that he actually was planning on completing the Rumbling.
They could have not written that piece as if he was a 14 year old boy talking about his new crush lmao he could have just said how he felt about her and that he wanted to be with her. Instead we got the 😩 face with him whining about him getting cucked loooool
Adventure Time, come on grabe your friends and go to a very distant land with Finn Ackerman and Jack AckerDog the titans will never end its adventure time.
That’s actually not true either. Eren knew he was a slave to the future memories. It was just that he wasn’t willing to accept. Which is why he kept saying ‘I’m free’, even though he hadn’t defeated the Marleyans.
I completely agree with the bit about Eren reverting to just being a teenager in love. It's SO sad that he can't just be that kid, and be with her, and in that moment, we can see that laid bare. It made people angry because they didn't understand that in-so-far as Eren's life goes, this is a tragic, tragic tale, where a normal boy was forced into the role of omniscient savior, and was robbed of his life with the woman he loves. It makes them angry because it isn't fair. The implication is that he's being given the rawest of deals, NOT that "he cares more about Mikasa than 80% of all humanity." That's not the point, and it's unfortunate that they cannot see the forest for the trees.
Except he's not that kid, he far from it. He's changed so much throughout the story and its random as hell he starts talking like that. The writing did not do a good job. If they wanted to protray Eren spilling his true feelings about her they should have written it different. Hes not 14, he's never done anything like how he acted in that moment, and he's grown up faster than a lot of people at such a young age. Hence acting out of character
@@CupOfWhiskey Something to consider, but he likely never grew up at all. Mentally he's still the same child who had just seen his mother die in front of him, his portrayal as a child in the last few chapters is a metaphor for that. He was never given the chance to grow up like normal teenagers do, and he never moved on from his mother's death like how Armin moved on from his parents and grandparents, and Mikasa with her parents. The amount of trauma he faced from the day his mother died combined with the Attack and Founder, seeing the past, present and future at once and his sudden god-given titan powers? And the discovery of Annie/Bert/Reiner and Ymir's secrets? On top of all the deaths he witnessed? I can imagine all of these things would heavily mess with any 15yo, and then especially once he gets to the basement and realises that he now is responsible for saving every single life within the walls. His personality post-timeskip was not a change in character, but rather a mask built from extreme trauma, guilt and grief. Him breaking down pathetically like a child in his last conversation with his childhood best friend makes a lot of sense when you consider all that he's done and been through.
@@bee-hx2di exactly. Personally the ending was fine for me, because in my eyes he was still that child that witnessed his mom being eaten and his whole life being ruined in front of him, hell I would act like that too if I knew my fate for how long he did, he just couldn’t bare it, there was probably so much more he wanted to do with Mikasa and Armin
The only purpose was to save her from becoming a Titan. But shippers made such a big deal out of it and read so much into it that people literally thought it was important.
He’s sad that he’ll never get the life he wants and has had to do horrible things he’ll be remembered as a monster despite his being the product of the worlds cruelty.
@@alexprime5015 yeah pretty much. Both chose to risk their own lives to pursue the ‘better’ for the world, and both chose to be remembered as the villains as long as there is peace
This ending reminds of that time when the Military Police told Hange that, we are all just playing a role, and when we’re done, another one steps in and does the whole thing all over again....
If you can remember, in the first chapter eren was napping and mikasa woke him up and eren was crying. He asked her about her hair and how it got so long then he told her that feels like he had the longest dream so it might be that there is a loop and theres nothing Eren can do or that all of it was just a dream
Eren essentially took No Nut November to a new level lmao. I think it's interesting that in the scene where he asks Mikasa what he means to her, she had a chance to alter everything by telling him she loves him beyond family ties? Would Eren have tried everything else? After all, the Mikasa moment happens BEFORE he gets the founder? Or does the time travel loop thing undo it all? 🤷♂️
The fact that Mikasa reached a point where she welcomed the prospect of having a family after facing so much trauma and loss and was able to build a loving family who's shown to be there for her in even matters of the past is so nice. Her story started with her witnessing the murder of her parents and ever since she's lost more family and friends and has always been fighting, fighting to protect & then finally making the ultimate sacrifice by choosing to be the one to kill Eren, her last family. The fact that she lived a long life experiencing everything while choosing not forget the one who passed away makes me so emo. Not "moving on" from loved ones who passed away since there's no need to move on from that, everyone is unique and irreplaceable, her parents were irreplaceable but she still came to see Carla, grisha & Eren as family, the same way Eren is also irreplaceable to her even after death and at the same time she met and loved more people in life who're irreplaceable too. Moving forward from LOSS, to see the beauty in life, while also feeling the grief of what's lost. That's such a complex notion and beautiful character.
It's not beauty of her character it's simply gross imo. I mean she was still obsessed with the scarf and jean was always her 2nd choice. I don't know man and the worst part is isayama said Mikasa was based on casca from berserk. It's actually disrespectful to even compare Mikasa to such character.
@@someonelol9999 that's so immature of you, I can't imagine you being older than 13 teen year old with any experience with real people? The scarf is HERS. it's part of her life and identity just like her bandaged tattoo and her family. It should never be thrown away. And where's the need to "move on". You don't move on from from your dead lived ones but you definitely grow to love more people. And that's the complexity.
As a writer... I get the feeling... Writing a story as expansive as Attack on Titan not every single thing you write is going to be perfect... I can't hate on Isayama's work because I've only written 32 pages and page 31 was not as good as the others. That's okay. It's not bad, just not as good. I like what Isayama wrote. You're writing fiction, plot devices are an inevitable thing. I like this. Thanks Isayama.
The war broke out maybe 50 to 100 years after Mikasa died . just looking at the building and the technologies shows that, so the peace that Eren achieved was actually far more longer than he expected to be and that's nice. I like that. anyway it was a good journey with very sad ending after all.
I know this comment is 7 months ago but don’t worry, I’m here to give you hope that Ackerman don’t turn into titans. It’s just my opinion this is indeed a better ending but war is still bad in the end of the day
@@Jkhhkhjygjgi maybe maybe not, we don't know what happened to the Ackerman powers after Eren died as you know, all the titan powers were taken away and you know, Ackermen are human titans
For me the ending is a 6.5/10 it was rushed and left unanswered questions but it definitely had good moments and felt like a conclusion. The overall rating of the story for me was a 9/10. The ending doesn’t ruin the joy and engagement I had when reading/watching the story progress. I can’t wait to see the first half of the final arc animated the second half however I want to see but it’s gonna bum me out a bit. Hopefully anime onlys don’t act like some of the manga readers.
HONESTLY I really do feel like this ending was only made because of greedy buisness corporations. They needed to continue on the story of attack on titan and make money. Hopefully the anime gets the true ending that isayama wanted.
@@War_Maker if your on about eren crying and isayama saying thats the true eren, i dont mind that at all. It was nice to see some emotion from eren after him being so cold for the longest time. My problem is it kinda felt like eren just gave up outta nowhere.
I had a theory after the bird scene, and the extra pages corroborated it. In the last vestiges of the paths created by the centipede creature, Eren was still able to influence the real world through his love for Mikasa, and his desire for freedom, which is how he uses the birds to wrap scarfs, and send memories to Eldians throughout time, just as Ymir was able to influence all titans at will. This likely happened as the centipede creature recconected with his head in 122, and is the reason why the worm tree regrew. I noticed that in the final Panel, there are birds circling the tree, whereas with Ymir, there were not. This could mean that Eren still influences the birds. I also believe that even if the child makes contact with the worm, the Titans will not return as they once were, as they were borne out of Ymir's enslavement to the king, and given the child is evidently in differing circumstances, the power will manifest differently.
Now I wonder if ymir was the one creating all titans with the earth of the paths who created her titans? Like the first time she transformed who created her titan?
@@Preet_mehta922 I think she created her own titan. But I also strongly believe that it’s tied to Norse mythology and it will inevitably be shaped into some giant god like beings.
Whoa whoa. Okay that actually is a good theory. I had to go back to the panels and check that to make sure I wasn’t seeing things. But those birds are definitely there at the end and not with Ymir’s tree. The difference of manifestation based on the current state of events in that timeline would definitely change the outcome and how the creature would adhere to whomever it needed to. The fact that Attack on Titan is revolved now around how war is inevitable and how Ymir’s love was so tragic she had to watch Mikasa destroy her own self just to kill the man she loved was how everything died down. I don’t like that the titan powers are just gone but I do believe that this is a completely new way of thinking compared to how I felt when I first began following this series. Even when you look at Chapter 0 and how that all played out. Even if it was just a rough draft there was still so much more detail and concept within that one chapter that hinted at what was to come. That conflict really is inevitable. And if you aren’t sure what I mean then you should definitely take what we all know now of the ending concepts and go read Chapter 0. Even though it’s hardly ever talked about it’s still a simple way to see just how easily and quick to react of how conflict will always occur. He died, so she avenged him. (Okay rant over lol)
I never felt the claim about Armin changing in the end wasn’t a problem. I mean it was 2 best friends in the end talking amongst themselves. No need to put on a show or fight about anything. It’s more of Armin telling Eren “I can’t imagine the burden you had to live with. Thank you for at least saving our friends.” Its not an epic mic drop couple of panels but it worked for me.
Agreed my friend.. who puts on a show amongst the 1 of the 2 persons closest to you... not to mention all the shit he been going through with no 1 to talk to about it
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП except people rationalize and accept things from close friends all the time, including horrendous crimes. As humans we hold relationships to a high position of importance. Yes, Eren did commit mass genocide but Armin can also understand why he did it. He can also understand that if it wasn’t for Eren doing this, Paradis would have stood no chance at all. That is why Armin was all for the rumbling when it came to a test run. He understood that something needed to be done. He would never want to kill most of the world himself but it doesn’t mean he can’t see the benefits of it in the long run. Let alone the fact that Armin had been wondering how Eren was feeling for so long and finally Eren was telling him exactly how he felt and what he was going through. The whole point of story is learning to understand peoples ideologies and fears. Armin is the best example of how people should be and in the end with him forgiving Eren and understanding him, shows that perfectly. Yea you might have reacted the same while somebody might react exactly the same. People are different and I can understand your position on it and I can also understand somebody who is on the opposite spectrum. I might not agree but I can understand and it’s always great to hear someone out.
To me attack on Titan has always been about the world being “cruel and beautiful”. Eren was able to garuntee his friends “long happy lives” but ultimately human conflict will never end wether he wiped out 100% or just 80%. Maybe finding something beautiful like memories with your loved one in a world like that is true freedom. Even though I understand a lot people hated the ending, I’m glad I was able to look at it positively
He could have achieved their happiness and all their kids and the generations after that instead of cursing them sorry but I couldn't look at it positively I can't.
@@bander-Coolb we dont know that tho. Theres just so many things that can happen that even if eren wiped out 100% of humanity or did something else entirely, conflict will still find its way, at least thats what i think the ending was trying to tell
@@UncleHuss1 ok then do it and show us that it would be more effective and hit harder our own people turned on us wow conflict will never end but having the people who we massacred billions of attack us what why you mean they didn't forgive us what a shock .
Why are so many people either forgetting or just plain missing the fact that Eren himself said none of this was his plan? He didn't want this. He himself said it was all the work of Ymir, shown to him when he kissed Historia's hand. He just followed the path Ymir laid out cuz it was the only option, n something he had to do. Ymir forced Eren down this path, he didn't choose it himself. Everyone seems to have just glanced over that part. Or maybe, I guess it could be easy to misinterpret. Edit another thing, Eren himself even says it was Ymir that led the smiling titan to his mom. I guess it was a super cryptic conversation to many people.
Exactly. I came to the conclusion that by season 4 he finally just submits to ymirs decisions/plan. Hence the drastic change in Eren. Instead of attempting to do things himself/act on free will like he did before, he finally realizes he has no free will. So he finally gives up and essentially just fullfills the destiny he really doesnt have the freedom in changing.
@@danielmorris5470 ya that's spot on too. That's pretty cool you got to that conclusion earlier than most of us. I thought she was goin the full "Code: Geass" route, but even that wasn't up to him we find out. He even said he really would have flattened the entire earth if they didnt stop him. I think thats why when he brings the group to the Paths for the first time he says something like "the only way to stop me is to kill me. If thats what you wanna do I wont stop you" or something along those lines, is because he knows he ain't in control of shit. He invites them to kill him cuz he knows what he is doing and that he has no choice.
It kinda makes sense this happened. If Mikasa buried Eren's head, the last piece of the Titans, of Life, it makes sense that Life would find a way to return.
IKR, this show is too smart for those braindead people who jump on the hate train without even trying to understand it. The amount of stupid individuals on the internet is actully insane.
@STOP WATCHING cartoons watch ANIME probably. When bertholdt,Reiner, and Annie came to paradis Eren didn’t have the founding titan yet. They knew it was in paradis but not who had it. So since it was always in paradis they still would have attacked
@@TequilaToothpick Not really. Eren certainly did more damage, but he's a better person than Hitler for one sole, but very important reason. His was a retaliation, Hitler was the aggressor. The world wanted to wipe him and his home out, so he killed them first. Hell he didn't even start his assault plan until Marley announced their joint world attack to the public. You can't blame someone using nukes on the world when the world is trying to kill them. Darwinism at it's finest. "Hey that guy's got nukes, let declare war on him and his family and try to commit genocide on them! Okay, what going could possibly go wrong!" "Oh no he used his nukes on us he is so evil and we're the victims!"
@@hamzaplayz123 no my guy it's the truth People are just looking for reasons to insult one of the best animes in history Which is common. Similar thing will happen when one piece and Naruto ends. I bet'cha
@@SuRu10116 the ending contradicts everything, the island is in a worse state than before, Historian gets completely sidelined, and most things aren't planned well. Ymir apparently loved King Fritz and Eren has no clue what he was doing. The manga even thanks Eren for commiting genocide.
@@SuRu10116 with Naruto, Madara is killed by some random addition for no reason and Naruto is said to be ninja Jesus despite the anime needing to show his own "hard work" using his abilities.
Birds have the most freedom since they can fly all over and do what they want, so in a sense Eren's reincarnation as a bird kinda fits since all he ever wanted was freedom
another thing is, having read over some manga chapters again, the bird imagery appears SO OFTEN, so whether the ending bird is eren's reincarnation or just a random bird who happened to fly by and remind Mikasa again of Eren, it fits
Not really, it's a prisoner on earth. A "prison" is about the scale. A house, a community, an island, a country, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, etc.
The Mikasa talk with Armin makes sense in my opinion. We know that he's taken a toll by the fact that he'll kill millions of people, because we can see that when he saved that kid from the angry merchants. He is upset but he has just come to terms and accepted it. He wasn't thinking about what Mikasa will do after he's gone, so when Armin brought it up it's only natural that he'll be upset react like a normal teenager. He has a great power that makes him not normal, but he still grew up not being aware of that. In my opinion he is still the same person he was in the scouts, he's just aware of what's to come
I prefer the first ending personally The shot of mikasa overlooking shiganshina without the walls seemed fitting. If it is Jean then it would seem like giving in to the shippers
Valid point I also liked the first ending as well. But I do agree with Jean and Mikasa being a thing in canon, because from the very beginning it was implied and stated that Jean liked Mikasa and even referred to her as his Dreamgirl. So it makes sense that he would get with her after Eren was out of the way
Jean Mikasa being canon was good but the fact tha isayama wanted to show Mikasa at eren grave I thought that after she went with Jean she should have forgotten about eren but the image shows tha Mikasa visit eren grave before she died and I think she would have out lived Jean bcuz she is an Ackerman so she is visiting a person grave who died almost 60+ year a go rather than visiting her husband grave means he wanted to show she moved on but not really 😂😂😂
@@pratikanbhule2275 thats why the ending is bad for me, mikasa never had romantic interest for jean, he did, but why force her into a relationship if at the same time she didnt move on from eren? Mikasa would never love a person like she loved eren, It feels ooc getting with jean, thats why her character fits more not getting with anyone, show her having a family adopting This also ruin jean character, he feels like a simp accepting being a 2nd option, Isayama didnt thought this through that well
@@Matthiaz_ yeah that's true if eren living after the rumbling fails doesn't effect thr story that much so they should save him like people will choose eren over every aot character like that's why this is a small change but can save them from lot of hate
if eren killed 100% of the population outside of paradise then it would have just brought the eldians back to the beginning of being the last of humanity
As stated war is a cycle people thing that the people in the walls would be safe without the rest of humanity but eventually there would either be a civil war or they would spread out in to the world become seperate places and eventually have a war between the 2 countries
@dobber; Yeah. In fact, it’s almost guaranteed that civil war would break out immediately after the Rumbling. Remember, the Rumbling destroyed all the Walled districts. The inhabitants of Wall Maria aren’t just gonna forgive that. Especially since the same people who basically caused it are now in charge of Paradis.
@@x-omnistar-x9602 It probably would’nt have cause the genocide of the Eldian’s which the rest of the world would’ve certainly want to do after everything Eren did. They probably should’ve gone with Zeke’s plan in the first place.
Doesn’t a sequel ruin the whole thing of eren doing what he’s doing to change the future and end the cycle? Also I feel like a sequel for something like AoT just doesn’t work whatsoever.
@@GerardoXC2023 i mean its not like i expected it manga writers are pretty rushed sides i love aot regardless,ill say this the fanbase definitely has reasoms to not like aot as much as they did for sure but tbh i still think its an amazing series
Personally I like to interpret the ending as since Eren had the Spinal Creature last and died with it, his grave is now the new location for that creature especially with the tree similarity. It’s also entirely possible when Ymir came across the tree something similar also happened and the story of the Spinal Creature continues forever.
We should also recall the Season 2 opening sequence where we see MonkE running along with a bunch of other animals, all with the same 'essence' running through their bodies. This is an obvious hint that animals and titans are connected in some way.
@@kell7689 sure turtle=reiners titan monkey:MONKE TITAN kangaroo:attack titan and female titan so much more similar abilities of titans and animals really interesting
How that affected the conversation is open to interpretation, we can all come with headcannons to fit the poeces together but we cant be sure, theres too many plot holes
I really like both 139 and 139.5 respectively. For me, chapter 139 provides a conclusion to the story of the beloved characters that we know and love (i.e. the main characters like Mikasa and Armin and the other characters) while 139.5 provides a conclusion to the overall arching story of attack on titan, its lore, theme, and message.
It was evident that Eren's actions were fuelled by love, for his friends, his people or what I initially thought, for his child. Nobody would fight like that to destroy the world just because they enjoy breaking things.
Yea I don’t even understand why people were surprised. He’s always been reaching out for freedom, but even back then what frustrated him the most was that he couldn’t protect the people he loved. Why the fuck would he just change his mind.
@@mvah07 yo every time eren is near to death, other then 139 he has always thought about freedom. If you can't seem to recall that parts of the story, what the heck you read?
@@mvah07 lmao Eren valued freedom more than his friends buddy pls stfu. He literally said he didnt know if his friends would survive if they tried to fight him. Do you realise what that means? It means, every time he attacked them, he was fully resolved to kill his own friends. So, please stfu. He did it for Paradise, not his fucking friends
@@chance258 And all of that effort evaporated when he only killed 80% of the population and not all of them. So fuck Paradis and fuck his friends both.
This the realist review of the ending. Thanks for this. The ending wasn’t perfect but I appreciate it for what it was. And when it comes to popular shows like Aot it is pretty much impossible to find an ending that satisfies EVERYONE, because everyone would want something different. Also a question. Have you heard of Attack of Titan Requiem? It’s a fan project that’s basically redoing the ending. This question is basically for you and anyone in the comment section, what do you guys think of it? I just wanna hear your personal thoughts if you heard of it.
The nature : open for interpretation of any story is planted to have more and more discusions and ultimately give birth to new stories. Answering all the questions will close the loop in a dead end. About the new added pages, as pixis once told : there will be conflicts until only one human is left, which I think is really basic nature of human beings. Our very strength invites challenge, challenge incites conflict and conflict breeds catastrophe. Human ambition will never allow history to be progressive and a future distinct than its past. There will only be different apparant versions.
I think Isayama is trying to show that the 2000 years from Ymir to the end of the Titans is only one revolution in the titan cycle and this cycle may have happened multiple times before this story. Now if this is the case imagine Eren is not only omnipresent in this 2000 years, but in a previous cycles that ever happened. If this is the case, the imagine his suffering of experiencing that all at once and it's easier to understand his motivation to finally end the titan cycle.
Exactly what I thought! That before the series previous cycles already happened that is why he kept changing the past despite knowing the future, I had always thought you can't change the past until it actually happened in a different scenario because that's the purpose of changing the past it happened but it wasn't right, and because he already did it countless times before and the aot series was the only revolution that worked and broke free of the titan cycle.
There is a possibility that the people at Eren’s grave were Falco and Gabi, but that seems less likely. Mikasa was already present in the previous few drafts, and the female at the grave had a scarf at all times, so it would make sense for it to be her. As for the guy, the most likely is indeed Jean. Not only does it look like his hairstyle in the last chapters, he already had a crush on Mikasa ever since they met eachother. And Mikasa shouldn’t stay single forever. Even Eren himself said that even though he wanted her to think of him at all times, he still wanted her to be happy. So I think it’s good she found someone.
@Ryoumen Sukuna perhaps. But I don’t think they should make another movie or sequel. Even though the child at the end would make for a perfect sequel, I think it would be too similar to the original for most people to enjoy it equally. But that’s the point of Eren’s tree becoming the same. It means repetition. That conflict is unavoidable, so it’s repetitive. So yeah, perfect sequel, but I think it’s better as the half-open ending that’s open for interpretation.
For the last panel, I would really like to think that the kid would just find Eren's grave and gives respect for his efforts for ensuring peace for Eldia for years and then he would just go out and find a way to survive.
Respect? For slaughtering 80% of humanity and abandoning Paradis to fate? Like he said he wouldn't? Dooming Paradis by taking away the titans that they couldve used to defend themselves. Eren screwed them all over. He literally made life worse for EVERYONE. No one won, despite Eren having the power to truly save his people
@@chance258 lol fam they would have been wiped out regardless so they were doomed either way but Eren gave them some time to figure shit out which they did for a really long time. I don't see how he made their lives lol. Even if he had kill 100 percent of humans outside of the walls does not guarantee that conflict will end completely. The titans were getting redundant Bruv. Military technology was getting far superior.
@@chance258 regardless of what Eren had done it would have ended with him leaving paradis up to date because of the curse of Ymir. He would have had to pass on his titan abilities to someone hoping that they will use it the right way. This is leaving paradis to fate.
I think the ending conversation with armin and eren was cool enough. Armin is the smartest person left we know of and is 15th commander. With all the facts layed down to him and most things already set in stone, armin just realizes the situation and continues talking with his friend
All Isayama needed to do to make this a TRU MASTERPEACE (imo): - talk about why the attack titan went missing in the war - he couldve created hatred between Ymir and the Attack titan because Ymir (in the paths-world) is the embodiment of love whereas the attack titan is the embodiment of freedom - the plot could be explained by saying how these 2 titan minds contradicted each other - this caused the attack titan to always disobey orders and have a mind of its own - during the titan war, ymir and that era's attack titan user could have made a deal - in return for letting the attack titan live freely, that user would promise ymir that she would become free - that user could mention how he had a distant future-memory of a boy who valued and yearned for freedom - Ymir would then agree, and if she could not be set free: she would possess the attack titan user and use him as a way to re-live. - the two agree to the deal - the past AT (attack titan) user does whatever he can to ensure eren becomes the successor - 1000 years pass - Ymir sees eren being born and inherits AT - she decides to make him despair so she can entertain herself with a host-body - she manipulates titans to eat his mother and comrades - eren despairs but he never stops yearning for freedom - as ymir watches eren she also sees a ackerman girl - she cannot control her but she is intrigues as she realizes that she once had similar feelings as her - Ymir decides to manipulate the AT powers and show eren a future, so that she can see what the ackerman girl would do - Eren is tricked and acts accordingly - Ymir realizes that she and the ackerman are similar. - similar events unfold and mikasa kills eren - Ymir is shocked and decides to stop making titans - as a promise she gives eren freedom - eren is now in the paths world where he watches his friends and fellow eldians OR ymir builds one last special titan (has organs), looking like eren - she disappears and that titan gains eren's memories - eren lives freely and decides to not have kids or abuse his new power
Eren’s decision making and dialogue just proves how human he is. He was making decisions that probably put him under extreme stress and his conversation with Armin was him venting and letting go of some stress.
We already saw eren breakdown in the amazing chapter of 131 So why do we need a breakdown on a breakdown ,he already expressed his emotions on chapter 131 and we knew what was his "true" goals was But then booom everything eren said was wrong and we see simp eren as a good character while everything he did since chapter 1 was against his character in 139 but people still think that this was the real eren while literally everytime fckin time eren talked about freedom he said that how he is prepared to sacrifice the world for his freedom and having the same ideals since chapter 1 just to see everything he said was wrong even when he was speaking to himself he was still lying to himself somehow and he turned out to be a simp How does that make any sense WTF
@@mightygamer174 “Simp” I don’t think the word really holds any meaning in aot. They spent the majority of their lives as child soldiers and romance is a luxury they don’t get to explore. The fact that Eren feels that way but is mature enough to let go and make decisions that benefit her and all his other friends is something that older people in our world aren’t mature enough to do.
For me Mikasa's perspective on Ymir added so much depth and complexity to everything. Eren had said, "I cannot claim to understand the depth of ymir's heart" so we couldn't understand Ymir but with this added page Mikasa understood. Just how she's herself and all of the eldians that were born, all of the characters that we came to love only existed because of what Ymir went through. Even someone like Ymir, who had only suffered and caused suffering made possible the life of millions after her. It showed how what she truly regretted was all in that ONE moment where the king could've died and she could've been there for her children whom she deeply loved and regretted not being there for.
The whole collective consciousness thing in Eren's case wasn't like some sort of multiple Erens in one body. It was implied to be more like enlightenment. Kind of like how Thanos described that he and Tony Stark had "the burden of knowledge", except that Eren can also visualize that knowledge in his mind. He can see the future clearly and how things will fall into place as well as feel it in a real sense. It's like knowing it will destroy the world but also knowing you have to press the nuke button yourself anyways or else mankind won't survive. That moment about Mikasa is Eren finally being able to let out at least a tiny bit of what he actually is, a young man in love. His dreams of freedom have already been destroyed by his realizations of what he has to do. Even so, he was able to stay the least bit human in the end unlike the others who got the power of knowledge and lost their minds in it completely. He was able to get back what little he had left of his youth in that awkward moment that he never got to have throughout the whole story since he was being dragged all over by the events. And as his moment of true maturity, Eren was able to entrust the goal of finding freedom to his friends. Not the same childish yelling for freedom entitlement, but the actual striving for freedom knowing fully well that it will be an insurmountable task.
Yes, the founder's character should've been more complicated than this, and I wish isayama could have added a few chapters to explain how things work, but oh well, I will still love AOT, it's still my no 1. and of course Eren is the best character of all time.
@@pillarmenn1936 Both are awesome. Animac-san has amazing voice modulation, which makes me cringe all videos.😁 Gozen-san has deep analytical voice, which is cool as Ice😎and makes me impatient as always for next videos.
Eren: It's one of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why are we here? I mean, are we the product of some cosmic coincidence, or is there really a God watching everything? You know, with a plan for us and stuff. I don't know, man, but it keeps me up at night.
I absolutely love the ending. I love that it’s open to interpretation. I think if we get announced if there is/not going to be a sequel series that’s when we can all collectively decide what the ending means. Personally I think it’s symbolism
Me neither.... i dont get the hate... and attacking the creator of the series? Not cool Regardless of the ending People would have hated it one way or the other.... People gon shit them selves when One piece finally ends.. just watch
@@hamzaplayz123 My guy, not physically perhaps but I myself read facebook and twitter comments of people directly 'attacking" the man, saying he is the worse writer and shit like that.. and besides, if his Work is being attacked and sometimes harshly criticized.. is that not still an attack on Isayama? dont play dumb bruh.. you knew exatly wtf i meant
@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 There's always someone stupid like u lurking where youre not needed... no one said not to criticize.. if you dont like it thats fine... it has problems and im very sure everyone at the very least acknowledges that... NO ONE ever said the ending was perfect... what the initial comment was , why is there festering hatred for it.... and simping?? Do you even know what simping means fam? The whole point is this.. criticize or whatever thats fine... to call the man the worse writer.. and to say the whole series is bullshit because of the ending? You dont think that's a bit much? Surely not even you who clearly hate the ending.. sure you dont possibly think the man is the worse... that was what my comments were addressing friend...
I prefer this ending with the extra pages. It feels more fulfilling for more. That little kid who comes across Eren’s tree definitely looks like an Ackerman.
This series wasn't exactly "happy" so I never expected a happy ending. Honestly I think the ending is the best it could be. I like that he didn't become the bland shonen character that saves the day and gets everything he wants. Eren was so much more complex, so many things effecting his mind and actions. Now to the extra pages added...I get they wanted to show that history repeats itself, I always like that it was implied but the whole Eren-tree at the ending was a bit too direct. But that's just me.
But Ackerman can’t shift into titans, I just think they needed to wait for an Ackerman to fall in a tree to end titans. Though history would still repeat, even without titans human will be human is I think a better way to explain.
19:40 I will counter you at this point she was just remembered that how eren gave and wrapped that scarf on her and when that bird do that she just felt kinda nostalgic when Eren does that.
@@manofhardcore9468 thats one of the messages, early humans feared wild animals. but as the years go and humans develop, your previous fears are now nothing and you move onto your next enemy. someone who threatens your existence. just like the real world where we only fear other countries and natural disasters
Honestly I highly respect the way Eren's character was in the end. It is not supposed to make sense and be perfectly thought out, that is the point. He is supposed to be a conflicted and confused being. He is only a traumatized teenager at the end of the day. The power of the founder was very new to him compared to the others, and letting his friends beat him to be seen as heroes is a perfect ideology for him to have.
You are justifying bad writting with your headcannons since no one knows how the founder affected the conversation. Yams is proud of you, you can rest now
"It is not supposed to make sense"- so things not making sense is a good thing? Him letting his friends beat him and be seen as heroes failed as they got bombed later on and it has nothing to do with Eren's ideology.
Everyone is this reply section, people are allowed to have different opinions no matter how confusing it might seem to those of us who don't share it. Pls keep that in mind and don't try to defy someone else's opinion. Of course you can share your own, but just don't try to prove someone wrong on something they believe
@@mattdawzonyosores6005 hmm. U could see in the extra pages of the manga If u will notice u will find her mark of ackerman is still there which means she didn't passed it to her child coz she don't had her own..... She adopted orphans from historia's farm
@@sujalsahu7100 oh where the wrists tape is at? Alr hopefully that’s the case also somebody said something where roses that are in Erens grave symbolize something indicating she didn’t love anyone else but Eren.
@@mattdawzonyosores6005 in extra pages after the manga. If u will notice u will find there is tape in her hand And the 4 roses she drops on his grave symbolizes that there bond could not be broken and she continue to love him even after he is dead.
@@sujalsahu7100 you make a good point because why would she keep the wrist tape on if she is meant to pass the symbol down to her offspring and none of the children which people think is mikasa’s child have the symbol or wrist tape so your theory might be right
First person actually making a fair review of the finally, I think this review tackled all the aspects pretty well. To me is also a 9, with or without added content.
Its almost as if he ignored several important plot points such as Ymir not regenerating, what could be the reason why Eren had to convince Ymir to join him when the plan was to join him and have Mikasa kill him, if Eren's actions were his own or Ymir's, and many more unanswered questions, plot holes, and blatant acts of bad writing with ZERO foreshadowing. Also its incredibly insulting to call people who didn't like the ending and critique it toxic. Do we not have a right to our opinion and to criticize the glaring issues in the story or are we supposed to just shut up and stay silent. To me that sounds toxic. Also Saintitchief made a video discussing and criticizing the points made in this video. He doesn't ignore what's presented and even provides very valid counter arguments so I suggest watching the video as well as reading the words and pictures in the manga and not reading the sidecovers dumbass.
Imagine I they went with the "deal with the devil" route picture this: Ymir is running away to like before but is essentially killed in the end but before she died she encountered that very devil and made a deal to change her fate but at a price and gain the power of the titans for revenge (or to survive) and the story progresses from there with her as a new queen and then having her daughters however once she dies she ends up paying the price and ends up being stuck in the titan relm and being forced to slave away creating titans and with that the story goes down the path we already know
Tbh idk why people hate Jean, he is one of my fav characters and he treated Mikasa very well. He was always there for her and did everything in her best interest, he was even on her side about trying to help Eren until Eren basically broke her heart being a huge dickhead. He is a good guy and probably would have gone to Eren's grave because he understood how much Eren meant to her. He also saved her life throughout the series and never bragged or competed against her. Whereas Eren was toxic to her the entire time. I am happy if the theory is true that it was Jean. Do you really think with Eren being gone he would not jump on the opportunity to be with Mikasa? 😂 no way he would pass that up!
Jean’s only personality trait is Mikasa🗿 you could say the same abt Mikasa too when it comes to Eren but she has other interesting aspects of her character. Like being Asian and being an Ackerman or having ymir taking a peak at her life. But Jean is just Jean💀 he’s not a leader, he’s not funny like Connie or Sasha, he’s just Jean
@@Notorious224 Didn't she experience romance in paths, she looked tired or like exhausted after a honeymoon in chapter 138, but yeah he had a kid with her
I feel like Mikasa should've had a child from Erin instead of some random Joe, it would've made so much more sense and a better connection with an Akerman and the former founding titan having a child could've been something to actually form a good sequel start off or something and done both Erin and Mikasa justice
eren shouldve let her with a kid since hes the founding titan in the end, with paths idk, and she would be much happier if she gets a child from him, she could move on with her life rising their child
I honestly thought everyone realized Eren's mode of speech implied that it was both him and the founder talking together when it came to the actions of the Smiling Titan
#ThankYouIsayama
Np
Hi
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@Ava Holland ikr
Let me ask this............so "EREH" is a god???
I think the last page isn't saying that there will be a sequel but saying that this will happen over and over again because we're people and history repeats.
I agree
@Alphazilla
You explains the ending faster than this video :)
@@justavendettaforfun agreed .
Isayama could’ve followed through what he made Kruger say, about the way to end the cycle, it’s all there “make a family, love someone, love the people of the walls etc.” it’s right in our faces, it’s also a fact that Kruger wasn’t solely talking to Grisha alone which makes it a solid base for an ending plot, for Eren to have something another reason to fight for not just for friends, his people and ending the cycle(unlike what we got)
All of the character’s ending was for nothing, Renier’s character conclusion is insulting, Levi’s ending was just right(wouldn’t wanna dirty THE Cashcow), the rest character conclusions was even more insulting.. mass murderers and accomplices of Eren’s genocide being “Ambassadors of peace”????.. but at the very least Isayama chose the “hopeful” route and ended it to what it would logically do, Armin’s idealistic passion destroyed..
they wasted and assassinated Historia’s character, all the parallels went to nothing, her baby being the first free royal child/eldian born, her almost 3 years of absence, lack of input to the last arc for nothing, completely thrown aside for some pretentious subversion to satisfy certain fans using a last minute reveal of Ymir’s stupid intentions
he made Eren’s actions pointless in the grander scheme his “plans” were simply gambles, his mother was less important than his friends apparently and _(despite having almost the entirety of his life living along the girl he apparently liked and while not showing a hint of romacr 99% of the time)_ he cried from not getting the p*ssy instead of you know GUILT from having to kiII 80% of the world.., “but it shows he’s just a teenag-“ SHUT THE F#CK UP. it turns out everything he did was just an act and was all a part of Ymir’s simulation, which is..
*to see someone obsessed with her lover(like her) kiII the one she’s obsessed with...*
and that is supposed to be how Ymir got free’d.. He’s making a fool out of his audiences..
Yeah but the point is that boy resembles Mikasa his haire style is somewhat like Levi so there could be a reason for that and also in sc pages eren says if there is a sequel we should watch it together
When I first saw Attack On Titan S1's colossal titan I thought that was the king of the titans and there would be an ultimate battle to defeat it. Look how much my thoughts have changed.
Same I also thought the same thing
I jus thought there were different types of Titans
Dude I swear and now turns out we didn’t even scratch the surface😭
Watching season 1 again after season 4 is so different.
Same
Everybody gangsta until the final page says "Based on a true story"
Lmao imagine
Your profile picture should have been the beast titan in drip clothes lol
Aye there's no building/trees in our hometown to use odm gear #dead
Just imagine tho-
😅
My theory is that Eren isn't dead, he just travelled to the paths and is chilling for eternity, waiting for someone to re-discover the titan powers
Meanwhile Ymir Fritz quit her job as Titan Molder for good. If someone rediscovers Titan powers, Eren will be the new Titan Molder. This time no royal blood necessary to have the Founding Titan's power, just Eren's favor.
@@vovochka9332 the titan power may be just resting and waiting for someone to get it
When I saw leaks I thought to myself what if the child falls and child Eren catches him preventing him from falling into harms way and that's how the story ended.
@@vovochka9332 bro last 8 pages got leaked before the official release
@@vovochka9332 bruh I am talking of the time when last 8 extra pages were announced
Plot twist:
Titans ending and starting again is just an infinite loop and Ymir isn't the original founder
A damn, true since every time Eren dies he goes backwards to that first scene. Amazing how the story ties itself since the very beginning. But, doesn’t he just see the future of what happens and immediately forgets even though he doesn’t have the titan yet? I’m kinda confused
..
But that what it is
@@tnl-warrior3218 oh, ok
Imagine the dog becomes the founder lmao
I can’t believe that it’s ending,it only feels like yesterday when this series first came out. Thinks we’re so simple back then,it was just about giant,naked humans.
That ran like sleep paralysis demons
Well if there’s a sequel, then it’s just the beginning.
@JOSEPH FONUA why are you on this video then tf
@JOSEPH FONUA you the trash bag lemme take you outside to get dumped
@JOSEPH FONUA if u don't like aot, then why u click on this vid? U seekin' attention or smth?
The fandom: *’straight up having a civil war over the ending’*
Isayama: *’eats popcorn whilst chilling in the sauna made of readers tears’*
Everyone : disrespecting Isayama
Isayama : gets disrepected in rich
@@Akash-n2q2q 💀💀💀
Yes, I agree
So true
he really destroyed my entire childhood and teenage years with this ending!!!
Just pointing this out, Eren’s outburst was just him venting to Armin about his grief. There is no deeper meaning behind it.
precisely
Every one needs to vent 🤷🏻
Especially all the awful shit he went through
!!!
Why should there be always a deeper meaning 🤔???
What I do with my grandma every Saturday about sashas death btw she's a very good listener
I'll be honest, if there is a sequel, I'd be more than willing to read it.
Man wtf how is your comment already on the top
Do you have like a magnet?
@@Nuxest 🤣
@@Nuxest algorithm
Tbh i would love to see Eren in Ymir's place idk why. :3
Mikasa to Jean on honeymoon: "okay, put on this erens wig"
Mikasa: Can you say tatakae
@@stevenmark4407 surely you mean, “TATAKAE! TATAKAE!!”
Also can you shout at me and bite your hand.
The fact that Jean did cosplay as Eren two times is what makes it funnier 💀
I'm not feeling it honey, Call me a Slave, yeah you heard that right, Call me a slave!
Mikasa: "lets go visit my beloved grave today"
Jean: "Yes honey :("
😂😂💀
So Jean is the guy from gurren lagaan
Please because I can see this happening 😭
Did my guy Jean dirty 😞
Oof
The scene with the bird is clearly symbolic. The bird is hinted thoughtout the entire show especially in the intros and outros. A bird symbolizes freedom, it's Eren's "spirit animal". The bird stop to wrap the scarf around her and then kept flying forward. Like Eren came into her life wrap the scarf around her and then kept moving forward. The scene captures their entire relationship in one moment.
This how it actually went”
“After Eren dies”
Eren wakes up hearing an angelic voice and lights surrounds him”
*”Hey, Hey you,You tried to cross the boarder right?”*
I used to be an adventurer like you
gonna off myself
This gets me every time
Your finally awake...
How can the land of hyrule depend on such a lazy boy! Oooops wrong universe
Eren: Ramzi, did you know why you die?
Ramzi: Because the cycle of hatred?
Eren: Nah.... you’re just not part of the 20% bro
Bro...💀💀💀
LMFAO
😂😂😂
@@AlexanderTheBloodraven yoo slow down with your headcannon
@@AlexanderTheBloodraven did you even read the 9 additional pages?
does mikasa get thicker?
bro?🤨
@@elivang9702 what u mean bro? She does
My man only asking the proper question
You sir are a man of culture for asking this question. And of course the answer is YES.
The most important question
Ymir’s Character makes perfect sense when you think about domestic abuse victims. They constantly return to their abuser because they feel they have no choice. Not that hard to grasp. I feel like a lot of fans forget that Isyama writes characters like humans we know in real life.
I think the problem the fans have regarding that is the execution.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП very well said.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that understood that. There is a reason why it’s hard for people to leave an abusive relationship. You think you’re doing a good thing by staying and helping them but they’re just ducking your own will away
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП she was always a slave though. That’s what you’re failing to understand. She literally does not understand love because she was never taught love properly. She lived in an era of war, where it’s killed or be killed. Love wasn’t abstract like in our time. You’re talking like Ymir lived in a time where we live. You’re points aren’t valid if you’re failing to realize what time period Ymir lives in.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП not every time someone stays with their abuser it’s Stockholm syndrome. She doesn’t even have that. She literally has no where else to go. (Her thoughts) she never lived a happy life to begin with. I understand where you’re coming from but seriously though we meet Ymir as a slave. And she ends her life as a “slave” but with Titan powers. If your life was never good but you gained something with the next person that’s where you will stay. This was her logic I believe. Also Ymir wasn’t really a character to dig into frfr. Origin stories are supposed to be plain.
Eren died a virgin saving the world while the woman he loves married and had kids. Truly the most unfortunate character in Anime.
Right?! They could've at least let him father Historia's baby.
Saving? Who the fuck did he save? Oh yeah, he saved the 20% remaining from HIMSELF
@@chance258 The titans would have been a scourge for humanity till the end if not for him.
@@-RavenX.10- He couldve went 100% rumbling THEN let Mikasa kill him. There, two birds with one stone.
@@chance258 why tf would he do that tho?
I don’t think Eren erased Mikasa’s memories, I believe he brought her to the paths moments before his death, that’s how I interpreted it. Time does work differently in the paths
memory erase doesnt work n ackerman so yes he brought her to the path im pretty sure
@@vivianmichxel she literally says” your memories came back too armin” her saying this confirms that her memories were erased
@XooX YooT i thought the headaches where Ymir looking into her head?
Mikasa is Ackermann so she can’t get into paths bruh
I think i have a thing for eren founding titan form
Let’s just say that Eren was one of the most hardworking character probably in anime history
He worked hard for nothing lol
Did all that work for nothing
Alex is Fluffy he bought them time and foundation to settle with the outside world. Otherwise Marley would’ve killed all of them. Another ending would’ve been unrealistic. 2000 years of fear and mistrust doesn’t just go away. They don’t just immediately believe the Titans are gone, just the Eldians said so. But since they saved them the outside world may be more open to what the Eldians got to say. That was Eren’s plan. Things don’t solve itself over night, just look at how war is still going on in the real world. But it’s not as much as it used to be because people started communicating with each other.
For nothing? The guy assured peace for his motherland for hundreds of years,and peace is never forever
Idk about that
Attack on Titan is one of those shows that can't really have a sequel because the story is over
@Ryoumen Sukuna i want attack on the high school caste being animated lol.
@Stop watching Cartoon watch Anime or do a before the fall anime.
I'd rather have a story in between season 3 and 4 honestly.
@@vjfxtheory spin off alt universe
Eren's head makes some really good fertilizer. Would buy again.
Yo what the f-
@@wovesquish05 ertilizer
Which head
The one mikasa buries or the one she buries
I'm waiting for my package! :D
Would chop again
Almost every story ever: we must let love conquer all obstacles!
AoT: love is the obstacle and we must conquer it!
The subject was tackled in the last chapter pretty badly wish it was done early with ymirs life
Code Geass?
Cries
@@zaryabK-vi8fh actually in 122 it is inted, still it really feel like it's coming out of nothing(at the first read)
Well it makes sense, Isyama doesn't really believe in "true love". Its one of the reasons why I love AOT so much. I agree with his disbelief of true love in a story, though I wouldn't mind if there was romance, I just don't enjoy romance as much. Also didn't isyama apologize for rushing it cause he had a limit for pages? or was that just a rumor-
The new ending is like saying "no matter what you do or what you changed history will always repeat itself no matter what"
Erwin did say that humanity will continue to be at war until there remains only one human on Earth?
@@MonkeyDLuis-jh1sg yeah the new ending is good not perfect but good, it shows that there there will be peace but it won't last forever.
@@livingfire1 still tho i don't want a sequel. I think this ending as a whole reflects the nature of Attack on Titan:Tragic. I hated these pages when they were leaked, but they remained truthful to the series
It's like leaving behind your responsibilities to the hands of the future (something that is worth saving) and facing the consequences. Pretty much it's like "Now is better than later otherwise things would get bad and drag out". This is also another consequence to "If you never keep on moving forward this would happen (otherwise the things that are (left) behind where you were advancing would come forth and things would take a different turn and things you ever wanted to become wouldn't come true due to not moving forward). Starting the cycle over again.
@@MonkeyDLuis-jh1sg yeah i just hope he dose a new brand new series not a Attack on Titans sequel but a completely new story.
Just to mention this, Eren wasn’t putting on a strong front. The person he is seen as in S4 is the person he became after all he’s been through. That outburst doesn’t define his character, it was just the result of all the countless emotions building up within him throughout the Rumbling, as well as his grief that he’ll never see any of his friends again. He was just venting, there is nothing more to it.
And after he vented, he regains his grip on his emotions. He clearly asks Armin not to tell Mikasa about it and he also admits that he actually was planning on completing the Rumbling.
They could have not written that piece as if he was a 14 year old boy talking about his new crush lmao he could have just said how he felt about her and that he wanted to be with her. Instead we got the 😩 face with him whining about him getting cucked loooool
Yimir: The best slaves are the ones that don't know they're slaves.
sounds like a business slogan lmao
@@bored_potato it was
Literally Mikasa
Adventure Time, come on grabe your friends and go to a very distant land with Finn Ackerman and Jack AckerDog the titans will never end its adventure time.
That’s actually not true either. Eren knew he was a slave to the future memories. It was just that he wasn’t willing to accept. Which is why he kept saying ‘I’m free’, even though he hadn’t defeated the Marleyans.
remember when aot was simple and it was about a kid wanting to free the world from its apocalyptic state
and then it became about genocide and the greedy nature of humans and how they constantly start wars
Back when it was actually still entertaining.
ah yes the good times
I really hate how we never saw Eren use any of the powers of the founding Titan...
@@ZenKrio well the entire rumbling and talking to every eldian in the world and stuff like that is total founding shit
Plot twist: The dog will be the next founding titan.
I couldnt give a fuck anymore
Or it already has been the founding Titan
Or it already has been the founding Titan
was it really necessary to say that
What the dog doin?
I completely agree with the bit about Eren reverting to just being a teenager in love. It's SO sad that he can't just be that kid, and be with her, and in that moment, we can see that laid bare. It made people angry because they didn't understand that in-so-far as Eren's life goes, this is a tragic, tragic tale, where a normal boy was forced into the role of omniscient savior, and was robbed of his life with the woman he loves. It makes them angry because it isn't fair. The implication is that he's being given the rawest of deals, NOT that "he cares more about Mikasa than 80% of all humanity." That's not the point, and it's unfortunate that they cannot see the forest for the trees.
Except he's not that kid, he far from it. He's changed so much throughout the story and its random as hell he starts talking like that. The writing did not do a good job. If they wanted to protray Eren spilling his true feelings about her they should have written it different. Hes not 14, he's never done anything like how he acted in that moment, and he's grown up faster than a lot of people at such a young age. Hence acting out of character
He is cringe . What a waste . Lol the story is too boring too predictable . Simp.sorry my opinion
@@CupOfWhiskey Something to consider, but he likely never grew up at all. Mentally he's still the same child who had just seen his mother die in front of him, his portrayal as a child in the last few chapters is a metaphor for that. He was never given the chance to grow up like normal teenagers do, and he never moved on from his mother's death like how Armin moved on from his parents and grandparents, and Mikasa with her parents. The amount of trauma he faced from the day his mother died combined with the Attack and Founder, seeing the past, present and future at once and his sudden god-given titan powers? And the discovery of Annie/Bert/Reiner and Ymir's secrets? On top of all the deaths he witnessed? I can imagine all of these things would heavily mess with any 15yo, and then especially once he gets to the basement and realises that he now is responsible for saving every single life within the walls. His personality post-timeskip was not a change in character, but rather a mask built from extreme trauma, guilt and grief. Him breaking down pathetically like a child in his last conversation with his childhood best friend makes a lot of sense when you consider all that he's done and been through.
@@bee-hx2di exactly. Personally the ending was fine for me, because in my eyes he was still that child that witnessed his mom being eaten and his whole life being ruined in front of him, hell I would act like that too if I knew my fate for how long he did, he just couldn’t bare it, there was probably so much more he wanted to do with Mikasa and Armin
Sequel should be called I Got Reincarnated As A Bird Now I Can Fly Everywhere
CAW CAW BISH
No there won’t be one
He's a tree, not a bird.
@@AnimeUproar hoho new source of meme
@@AnimeUproar TREEDOM.
Historia's child really feels absolutely pointless tbh.
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But it did manage to save her by getting pregnant or she would have been the last beast Titan
Historias birth got her mother killed, her child saved her life.. but yeah historias child is pointless.
The only purpose was to save her from becoming a Titan. But shippers made such a big deal out of it and read so much into it that people literally thought it was important.
@@KB-pj6sh I mean no cause they never would have got the chance to feed her to the beast titan in the first place.
He’s sad that he’ll never get the life he wants and has had to do horrible things he’ll be remembered as a monster despite his being the product of the worlds cruelty.
Sounds like boss from mgs3
@@alexprime5015 yeah pretty much. Both chose to risk their own lives to pursue the ‘better’ for the world, and both chose to be remembered as the villains as long as there is peace
Hitler?
Actually on paradise they remembered him as a hero and I think they renamed themselves
@@Kiki-g2t The Yeagerists and New Eldian Empire. Eventually becoming as savage and domineering as the Eldians of old.
This ending reminds of that time when the Military Police told Hange that, we are all just playing a role, and when we’re done, another one steps in and does the whole thing all over again....
Make sense
True ending : Reiner still didn’t die but his new wallet committed jump off microwave again
Lol tru
Lol
You're so intellectual man
Lol
Hey!
If you can remember, in the first chapter eren was napping and mikasa woke him up and eren was crying. He asked her about her hair and how it got so long then he told her that feels like he had the longest dream so it might be that there is a loop and theres nothing Eren can do or that all of it was just a dream
imagine eren was just in a loop and when mikasa cut of his head he went back into the loop that would be a good turn of events ngl.
@@Jeremiah-f7g that'd be a good ending too in a way; cause he's not truly free xD
It’s actually a loop.
That is so interesting, and didn’t it open when Mikasa saying “see you later Eren”
Eren essentially took No Nut November to a new level lmao. I think it's interesting that in the scene where he asks Mikasa what he means to her, she had a chance to alter everything by telling him she loves him beyond family ties? Would Eren have tried everything else? After all, the Mikasa moment happens BEFORE he gets the founder? Or does the time travel loop thing undo it all? 🤷♂️
The fact that Mikasa reached a point where she welcomed the prospect of having a family after facing so much trauma and loss and was able to build a loving family who's shown to be there for her in even matters of the past is so nice. Her story started with her witnessing the murder of her parents and ever since she's lost more family and friends and has always been fighting, fighting to protect & then finally making the ultimate sacrifice by choosing to be the one to kill Eren, her last family. The fact that she lived a long life experiencing everything while choosing not forget the one who passed away makes me so emo.
Not "moving on" from loved ones who passed away since there's no need to move on from that, everyone is unique and irreplaceable, her parents were irreplaceable but she still came to see Carla, grisha & Eren as family, the same way Eren is also irreplaceable to her even after death and at the same time she met and loved more people in life who're irreplaceable too.
Moving forward from LOSS, to see the beauty in life, while also feeling the grief of what's lost. That's such a complex notion and beautiful character.
If you call keeping the scarf in her death and taking children and grandchildren to her most beloved and dear grave moving on then yes you are right.
It's not beauty of her character it's simply gross imo. I mean she was still obsessed with the scarf and jean was always her 2nd choice. I don't know man and the worst part is isayama said Mikasa was based on casca from berserk. It's actually disrespectful to even compare Mikasa to such character.
@@vividvoodoo7323 imagine being a second choice rn
@@vividvoodoo7323 second choice maybe, but he got all mikasa's first! Then in the afterlife, jean will thank eren for safekeeping mikasa for him lol
@@someonelol9999 that's so immature of you, I can't imagine you being older than 13 teen year old with any experience with real people? The scarf is HERS. it's part of her life and identity just like her bandaged tattoo and her family. It should never be thrown away. And where's the need to "move on". You don't move on from from your dead lived ones but you definitely grow to love more people. And that's the complexity.
As a writer... I get the feeling... Writing a story as expansive as Attack on Titan not every single thing you write is going to be perfect... I can't hate on Isayama's work because I've only written 32 pages and page 31 was not as good as the others. That's okay. It's not bad, just not as good. I like what Isayama wrote. You're writing fiction, plot devices are an inevitable thing. I like this. Thanks Isayama.
The war broke out maybe 50 to 100 years after Mikasa died . just looking at the building and the technologies shows that, so the peace that Eren achieved was actually far more longer than he expected to be and that's nice. I like that. anyway it was a good journey with very sad ending after all.
I know this comment is 7 months ago but don’t worry, I’m here to give you hope that Ackerman don’t turn into titans. It’s just my opinion this is indeed a better ending but war is still bad in the end of the day
@@Jkhhkhjygjgi maybe maybe not, we don't know what happened to the Ackerman powers after Eren died as you know, all the titan powers were taken away and you know, Ackermen are human titans
@@unorthodoxpickle7014 they are just like titans they don't regenerate like them or anything so it's possible that their powers are still intact
Garbage ending......
@@user-74856 yo momma
For me the ending is a 6.5/10 it was rushed and left unanswered questions but it definitely had good moments and felt like a conclusion. The overall rating of the story for me was a 9/10. The ending doesn’t ruin the joy and engagement I had when reading/watching the story progress. I can’t wait to see the first half of the final arc animated the second half however I want to see but it’s gonna bum me out a bit. Hopefully anime onlys don’t act like some of the manga readers.
Fair!
Exactly, with aot, the journey felt way better than the end ever could’ve
Facts
Agreed
🤣 Everyone Gangsta until they read the Interview
HONESTLY
I really do feel like this ending was only made because of greedy buisness corporations. They needed to continue on the story of attack on titan and make money. Hopefully the anime gets the true ending that isayama wanted.
Read Yams interviews, he’s just as much to blame.
Well I'm going to still read it
Yam changed his whole plan years ago once he saw he had a hit
@@War_Maker if your on about eren crying and isayama saying thats the true eren, i dont mind that at all. It was nice to see some emotion from eren after him being so cold for the longest time. My problem is it kinda felt like eren just gave up outta nowhere.
Exactly what I think
I want a sequel where Eren isn't dead, and he can finally be happy with Mikasa. Just chillin and not going through anymore emotional pain
and "eReH" is free
I mean the attack junior high is good for therapy 😭
True, bro 🥺
@@gabriellarosa7958 🥺😢😭
I had a theory after the bird scene, and the extra pages corroborated it.
In the last vestiges of the paths created by the centipede creature, Eren was still able to influence the real world through his love for Mikasa, and his desire for freedom, which is how he uses the birds to wrap scarfs, and send memories to Eldians throughout time, just as Ymir was able to influence all titans at will. This likely happened as the centipede creature recconected with his head in 122, and is the reason why the worm tree regrew. I noticed that in the final Panel, there are birds circling the tree, whereas with Ymir, there were not. This could mean that Eren still influences the birds.
I also believe that even if the child makes contact with the worm, the Titans will not return as they once were, as they were borne out of Ymir's enslavement to the king, and given the child is evidently in differing circumstances, the power will manifest differently.
Now I wonder if ymir was the one creating all titans with the earth of the paths who created her titans? Like the first time she transformed who created her titan?
@@Preet_mehta922 I think she created her own titan. But I also strongly believe that it’s tied to Norse mythology and it will inevitably be shaped into some giant god like beings.
Whoa whoa. Okay that actually is a good theory. I had to go back to the panels and check that to make sure I wasn’t seeing things. But those birds are definitely there at the end and not with Ymir’s tree.
The difference of manifestation based on the current state of events in that timeline would definitely change the outcome and how the creature would adhere to whomever it needed to.
The fact that Attack on Titan is revolved now around how war is inevitable and how Ymir’s love was so tragic she had to watch Mikasa destroy her own self just to kill the man she loved was how everything died down. I don’t like that the titan powers are just gone but I do believe that this is a completely new way of thinking compared to how I felt when I first began following this series.
Even when you look at Chapter 0 and how that all played out. Even if it was just a rough draft there was still so much more detail and concept within that one chapter that hinted at what was to come. That conflict really is inevitable. And if you aren’t sure what I mean then you should definitely take what we all know now of the ending concepts and go read Chapter 0. Even though it’s hardly ever talked about it’s still a simple way to see just how easily and quick to react of how conflict will always occur.
He died, so she avenged him.
(Okay rant over lol)
@@VixenSpooks Most people think Ymir’s “love” of the King was an asspull.
@@Zelink108 not really, it just wasn't properly foreshadowed.
I never felt the claim about Armin changing in the end wasn’t a problem. I mean it was 2 best friends in the end talking amongst themselves. No need to put on a show or fight about anything. It’s more of Armin telling Eren “I can’t imagine the burden you had to live with. Thank you for at least saving our friends.” Its not an epic mic drop couple of panels but it worked for me.
Agreed my friend.. who puts on a show amongst the 1 of the 2 persons closest to you... not to mention all the shit he been going through with no 1 to talk to about it
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП except people rationalize and accept things from close friends all the time, including horrendous crimes. As humans we hold relationships to a high position of importance. Yes, Eren did commit mass genocide but Armin can also understand why he did it. He can also understand that if it wasn’t for Eren doing this, Paradis would have stood no chance at all. That is why Armin was all for the rumbling when it came to a test run. He understood that something needed to be done. He would never want to kill most of the world himself but it doesn’t mean he can’t see the benefits of it in the long run. Let alone the fact that Armin had been wondering how Eren was feeling for so long and finally Eren was telling him exactly how he felt and what he was going through. The whole point of story is learning to understand peoples ideologies and fears. Armin is the best example of how people should be and in the end with him forgiving Eren and understanding him, shows that perfectly. Yea you might have reacted the same while somebody might react exactly the same. People are different and I can understand your position on it and I can also understand somebody who is on the opposite spectrum. I might not agree but I can understand and it’s always great to hear someone out.
To me attack on Titan has always been about the world being “cruel and beautiful”. Eren was able to garuntee his friends “long happy lives” but ultimately human conflict will never end wether he wiped out 100% or just 80%. Maybe finding something beautiful like memories with your loved one in a world like that is true freedom.
Even though I understand a lot people hated the ending, I’m glad I was able to look at it positively
He could have achieved their happiness and all their kids and the generations after that instead of cursing them sorry but I couldn't look at it positively I can't.
@@bander-Coolb we dont know that tho. Theres just so many things that can happen that even if eren wiped out 100% of humanity or did something else entirely, conflict will still find its way, at least thats what i think the ending was trying to tell
@@bander-Coolb If Eren wiped out 100% of the population, I garuntee Paradise would go into a civil war
@The Anime Hood; Yeah, it’s even shown with Eldians turning against Eren and the Jaegerists during the Rumbling.
@@UncleHuss1 ok then do it and show us that it would be more effective and hit harder our own people turned on us wow conflict will never end but having the people who we massacred billions of attack us what why you mean they didn't forgive us what a shock .
The only anime character who doesn't get what he wants
King kai
@@alexprime5015 yeah.
Light Yagami moment
Doesnt get anything basically, only his friends living
Migi (from parasyte the maxim)
Why are so many people either forgetting or just plain missing the fact that Eren himself said none of this was his plan? He didn't want this. He himself said it was all the work of Ymir, shown to him when he kissed Historia's hand. He just followed the path Ymir laid out cuz it was the only option, n something he had to do. Ymir forced Eren down this path, he didn't choose it himself. Everyone seems to have just glanced over that part. Or maybe, I guess it could be easy to misinterpret.
Edit another thing, Eren himself even says it was Ymir that led the smiling titan to his mom. I guess it was a super cryptic conversation to many people.
Exactly. I came to the conclusion that by season 4 he finally just submits to ymirs decisions/plan. Hence the drastic change in Eren. Instead of attempting to do things himself/act on free will like he did before, he finally realizes he has no free will. So he finally gives up and essentially just fullfills the destiny he really doesnt have the freedom in changing.
@@danielmorris5470 ya that's spot on too. That's pretty cool you got to that conclusion earlier than most of us. I thought she was goin the full "Code: Geass" route, but even that wasn't up to him we find out. He even said he really would have flattened the entire earth if they didnt stop him. I think thats why when he brings the group to the Paths for the first time he says something like "the only way to stop me is to kill me. If thats what you wanna do I wont stop you" or something along those lines, is because he knows he ain't in control of shit. He invites them to kill him cuz he knows what he is doing and that he has no choice.
@@r3gret2079 comedy at it's peak!
Eren killed his mother it’s not a miss translation
@@evanpowers6045 no💀💀 did you not read or watch this video through???? He had bo choice but to let things be it wasn’t of his free will
It kinda makes sense this happened. If Mikasa buried Eren's head, the last piece of the Titans, of Life, it makes sense that Life would find a way to return.
The same way the original worm thing did.
It lived in the ocean then made it's way to land through evolution and then attached itself to ymir.
IKR, this show is too smart for those braindead people who jump on the hate train without even trying to understand it. The amount of stupid individuals on the internet is actully insane.
Life uh finds a way .
Eren's head contains good fertilizers.
@@luniousm3246 welcome to internet
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Titan powers:🦴🦷💀👁️👃👁️
Beren and his comrades, Barmin and Sukasa
@@eertikrux666 Burrito
@@eertikrux666 they will fight marleyshikis
@@tgsahaj7725 Butanol
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Eren’s contribution is so big and still got hated even he dies. Without Eren most of the character can’t even survive til s4
I rationally agree
Tf? How many times was he saved by ?Mikasa, Erwin, and Levi?
Eren turned into a monster. He makes Hitler look good in comparison.
@STOP WATCHING cartoons watch ANIME probably. When bertholdt,Reiner, and Annie came to paradis Eren didn’t have the founding titan yet. They knew it was in paradis but not who had it. So since it was always in paradis they still would have attacked
@@TequilaToothpick Not really. Eren certainly did more damage, but he's a better person than Hitler for one sole, but very important reason. His was a retaliation, Hitler was the aggressor. The world wanted to wipe him and his home out, so he killed them first. Hell he didn't even start his assault plan until Marley announced their joint world attack to the public.
You can't blame someone using nukes on the world when the world is trying to kill them. Darwinism at it's finest. "Hey that guy's got nukes, let declare war on him and his family and try to commit genocide on them! Okay, what going could possibly go wrong!" "Oh no he used his nukes on us he is so evil and we're the victims!"
Though the ending may suck a little the over all story was a total banger!
THIS ^^^
A little is too generous
@@hamzaplayz123 no my guy it's the truth
People are just looking for reasons to insult one of the best animes in history
Which is common.
Similar thing will happen when one piece and Naruto ends. I bet'cha
@@SuRu10116 the ending contradicts everything, the island is in a worse state than before, Historian gets completely sidelined, and most things aren't planned well. Ymir apparently loved King Fritz and Eren has no clue what he was doing. The manga even thanks Eren for commiting genocide.
@@SuRu10116 with Naruto, Madara is killed by some random addition for no reason and Naruto is said to be ninja Jesus despite the anime needing to show his own "hard work" using his abilities.
The second Eren touches that kid with his centipede thingy he's going to prison.
"centipede thingy"
@@iloveaquariums4776 "as u can see down here this is why they call me the beast titan" *slowly puts hand down*
@@kingkalico 😭😭
@@kingkalico AYO HOLD UP-
@@kingkalico BRO??
Birds have the most freedom since they can fly all over and do what they want, so in a sense Eren's reincarnation as a bird kinda fits since all he ever wanted was freedom
another thing is, having read over some manga chapters again, the bird imagery appears SO OFTEN, so whether the ending bird is eren's reincarnation or just a random bird who happened to fly by and remind Mikasa again of Eren, it fits
Not really, it's a prisoner on earth. A "prison" is about the scale. A house, a community, an island, a country, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, etc.
Bruh...... 🤦🏻♂️.......you ending defenders can truly go to great lengths to protect the garbage ending.....lol... 😭😂😂
@@user-74856 yo momma
@@balls52 sad you know he's right but u can't come up with a proper argument. The ending is shit.
The Mikasa talk with Armin makes sense in my opinion. We know that he's taken a toll by the fact that he'll kill millions of people, because we can see that when he saved that kid from the angry merchants. He is upset but he has just come to terms and accepted it. He wasn't thinking about what Mikasa will do after he's gone, so when Armin brought it up it's only natural that he'll be upset react like a normal teenager. He has a great power that makes him not normal, but he still grew up not being aware of that. In my opinion he is still the same person he was in the scouts, he's just aware of what's to come
I prefer the first ending personally
The shot of mikasa overlooking shiganshina without the walls seemed fitting.
If it is Jean then it would seem like giving in to the shippers
Valid point I also liked the first ending as well. But I do agree with Jean and Mikasa being a thing in canon, because from the very beginning it was implied and stated that Jean liked Mikasa and even referred to her as his Dreamgirl. So it makes sense that he would get with her after Eren was out of the way
Yeah! I really think that the final shot of the bird flying and mikasa thanking eren was really powerful. I was in tears at the end
Jean Mikasa being canon was good but the fact tha isayama wanted to show Mikasa at eren grave I thought that after she went with Jean she should have forgotten about eren but the image shows tha Mikasa visit eren grave before she died and I think she would have out lived Jean bcuz she is an Ackerman so she is visiting a person grave who died almost 60+ year a go rather than visiting her husband grave means he wanted to show she moved on but not really 😂😂😂
@@pratikanbhule2275 thats why the ending is bad for me, mikasa never had romantic interest for jean, he did, but why force her into a relationship if at the same time she didnt move on from
eren? Mikasa would never love a person like she loved eren, It feels ooc getting with jean, thats why her character fits more not getting with anyone, show her having a family adopting
This also ruin jean character, he feels like a simp accepting being a 2nd option, Isayama didnt thought this through that well
@@Matthiaz_ yeah that's true if eren living after the rumbling fails doesn't effect thr story that much so they should save him like people will choose eren over every aot character like that's why this is a small change but can save them from lot of hate
if eren killed 100% of the population outside of paradise then it would have just brought the eldians back to the beginning of being the last of humanity
that would be kinda cooler ngl
As stated war is a cycle people thing that the people in the walls would be safe without the rest of humanity but eventually there would either be a civil war or they would spread out in to the world become seperate places and eventually have a war between the 2 countries
@dobber; Yeah. In fact, it’s almost guaranteed that civil war would break out immediately after the Rumbling.
Remember, the Rumbling destroyed all the Walled districts. The inhabitants of Wall Maria aren’t just gonna forgive that. Especially since the same people who basically caused it are now in charge of Paradis.
@@x-omnistar-x9602 It probably would’nt have cause the genocide of the Eldian’s which the rest of the world would’ve certainly want to do after everything Eren did. They probably should’ve gone with Zeke’s plan in the first place.
@@x-omnistar-x9602 civil war doesn't guarantee the total destruction of paradis like it happened in the end
Doesn’t a sequel ruin the whole thing of eren doing what he’s doing to change the future and end the cycle?
Also I feel like a sequel for something like AoT just doesn’t work whatsoever.
Eren failed by not genociding everyone already
Yeah it would be too forced
The cucle didnt end. Thata clear, eren accompished nothing.
I agree, but a sequel would be interesting to see regardless
@@GerardoXC2023 i mean its not like i expected it manga writers are pretty rushed sides i love aot regardless,ill say this the fanbase definitely has reasoms to not like aot as much as they did for sure but tbh i still think its an amazing series
Personally I like to interpret the ending as since Eren had the Spinal Creature last and died with it, his grave is now the new location for that creature especially with the tree similarity. It’s also entirely possible when Ymir came across the tree something similar also happened and the story of the Spinal Creature continues forever.
There is no way the bird is Eren himself. That is ridiculous, it is just a use of his power.
Yeah!
I agree
We should also recall the Season 2 opening sequence where we see MonkE running along with a bunch of other animals, all with the same 'essence' running through their bodies. This is an obvious hint that animals and titans are connected in some way.
@@kell7689 omg yess
@@kell7689 sure turtle=reiners titan monkey:MONKE TITAN kangaroo:attack titan and female titan so much more similar abilities of titans and animals really interesting
He felt like he existed In past, present, future because the attack titan's power were boosted when he got access to the founding titan power
As well as the alternate
How that affected the conversation is open to interpretation, we can all come with headcannons to fit the poeces together but we cant be sure, theres too many plot holes
@@ArchiduquesaMA Plot holes or just purposeful lack of information? Make it more clear what you're saying, please
There is a sequel?
Hell no!! I don't want another Boruto
Beren next generations
Probably worse it’s gonna be very forced
Only difference is that Boruto was a sequel people wanted at first, but this one is something not many people want. (Including me, sorry)
Bruh brouto pretty good💀 this looks like it’s finna be hella forced tho
Don't you want alien titans? We got alien ninjas in burrito and look at how that story is going!
I really like both 139 and 139.5 respectively. For me, chapter 139 provides a conclusion to the story of the beloved characters that we know and love (i.e. the main characters like Mikasa and Armin and the other characters) while 139.5 provides a conclusion to the overall arching story of attack on titan, its lore, theme, and message.
It was evident that Eren's actions were fuelled by love, for his friends, his people or what I initially thought, for his child. Nobody would fight like that to destroy the world just because they enjoy breaking things.
Yea I don’t even understand why people were surprised. He’s always been reaching out for freedom, but even back then what frustrated him the most was that he couldn’t protect the people he loved. Why the fuck would he just change his mind.
@@mvah07 yo every time eren is near to death, other then 139 he has always thought about freedom. If you can't seem to recall that parts of the story, what the heck you read?
@@mvah07 lmao Eren valued freedom more than his friends buddy pls stfu. He literally said he didnt know if his friends would survive if they tried to fight him. Do you realise what that means? It means, every time he attacked them, he was fully resolved to kill his own friends. So, please stfu. He did it for Paradise, not his fucking friends
@@chance258 And all of that effort evaporated when he only killed 80% of the population and not all of them. So fuck Paradis and fuck his friends both.
@@demon5928 they stopped him before he could finish lol. Shut up kid
This the realist review of the ending. Thanks for this. The ending wasn’t perfect but I appreciate it for what it was. And when it comes to popular shows like Aot it is pretty much impossible to find an ending that satisfies EVERYONE, because everyone would want something different.
Also a question. Have you heard of Attack of Titan Requiem? It’s a fan project that’s basically redoing the ending. This question is basically for you and anyone in the comment section, what do you guys think of it? I just wanna hear your personal thoughts if you heard of it.
It is better that this. My only problem is that they are milking chad eren too much.
I like Isayama's ending more. Despite some unanswered questions, I thought it was nice.
True and aot requiem to me is an alternate timeline
The nature : open for interpretation of any story is planted to have more and more discusions and ultimately give birth to new stories. Answering all the questions will close the loop in a dead end. About the new added pages, as pixis once told : there will be conflicts until only one human is left, which I think is really basic nature of human beings. Our very strength invites challenge, challenge incites conflict and conflict breeds catastrophe. Human ambition will never allow history to be progressive and a future distinct than its past. There will only be different apparant versions.
Attack of Titan Requiem
I think Isayama is trying to show that the 2000 years from Ymir to the end of the Titans is only one revolution in the titan cycle and this cycle may have happened multiple times before this story.
Now if this is the case imagine Eren is not only omnipresent in this 2000 years, but in a previous cycles that ever happened. If this is the case, the imagine his suffering of experiencing that all at once and it's easier to understand his motivation to finally end the titan cycle.
Exactly what I thought! That before the series previous cycles already happened that is why he kept changing the past despite knowing the future, I had always thought you can't change the past until it actually happened in a different scenario because that's the purpose of changing the past it happened but it wasn't right, and because he already did it countless times before and the aot series was the only revolution that worked and broke free of the titan cycle.
There is a possibility that the people at Eren’s grave were Falco and Gabi, but that seems less likely. Mikasa was already present in the previous few drafts, and the female at the grave had a scarf at all times, so it would make sense for it to be her. As for the guy, the most likely is indeed Jean. Not only does it look like his hairstyle in the last chapters, he already had a crush on Mikasa ever since they met eachother. And Mikasa shouldn’t stay single forever. Even Eren himself said that even though he wanted her to think of him at all times, he still wanted her to be happy. So I think it’s good she found someone.
@Ryoumen Sukuna perhaps. But I don’t think they should make another movie or sequel. Even though the child at the end would make for a perfect sequel, I think it would be too similar to the original for most people to enjoy it equally. But that’s the point of Eren’s tree becoming the same. It means repetition. That conflict is unavoidable, so it’s repetitive. So yeah, perfect sequel, but I think it’s better as the half-open ending that’s open for interpretation.
Bro eren said to forget and throw away the scarf and move on she didnt listen to him completely this ending is fucked up
Felt like eren was showing his past present and future self throughout the chapter, each coming out at different times
Mikasa was actually the main character 😳 this whole time.
Isayama did say he planned on mikasa being the centerpiece of the series 🤷🏾♀️
Yes she is
Well yeah she one of 3 main characters
I thought it was Armin he’s the narrorator I thought
Isayama feminist icon
For the last panel, I would really like to think that the kid would just find Eren's grave and gives respect for his efforts for ensuring peace for Eldia for years and then he would just go out and find a way to survive.
I was just thinking the same thing 😓
Respect? For slaughtering 80% of humanity and abandoning Paradis to fate? Like he said he wouldn't? Dooming Paradis by taking away the titans that they couldve used to defend themselves. Eren screwed them all over. He literally made life worse for EVERYONE. No one won, despite Eren having the power to truly save his people
@@chance258 lol fam they would have been wiped out regardless so they were doomed either way but Eren gave them some time to figure shit out which they did for a really long time. I don't see how he made their lives lol. Even if he had kill 100 percent of humans outside of the walls does not guarantee that conflict will end completely. The titans were getting redundant Bruv. Military technology was getting far superior.
@@chance258 How could he have truly 'save' his people?
@@chance258 regardless of what Eren had done it would have ended with him leaving paradis up to date because of the curse of Ymir. He would have had to pass on his titan abilities to someone hoping that they will use it the right way. This is leaving paradis to fate.
A boy and a dog in apocalyptic world damn thats Adventure time.
That's what I thought too.
i think that boy might be erens son from historia i dont know but it just lopks like it
@@miniboss_1110 maybe historia cheated on farmer kun lol
@@miniboss_1110 decades past since erens death in that scene mikasa is long long dead and Eldia got wiped out
@@aizensouske6440 yeah i know after a while i figured out that is was more than 2000 years
AOT sequel: Eren is reborn and be like TATAKAE!!!!
Lmao
A random Babies first words lmao
@@Flixzy_Fire 💙
@@Flixzy_Fire lol word
Tatacaw..!
What if Eren will take the place of ymir due this potentially being a cycle.
And stalk people , yeh he will be pretty good at that
So Eren gonna start creeping around,
glad I'm not him
No he won't, Ymir wasn't in the first tree so no, Eren isn't the new founder
@@fbi5068 you can't be him tho
@@th3_ph4ntomreborn31 we dont k ow that
yet
I think the ending conversation with armin and eren was cool enough. Armin is the smartest person left we know of and is 15th commander. With all the facts layed down to him and most things already set in stone, armin just realizes the situation and continues talking with his friend
If eren was that bird he has some wings of freedom
Wow thank you for 100 likes
Yo can’t wait for AOT: Shippuden to come out lmao 😂
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Aot next generation
Wdym its already Shippuden xD
isayama: If i can't make everyone happy, i'll just make everyone angry instead!
All Isayama needed to do to make this a TRU MASTERPEACE (imo):
- talk about why the attack titan went missing in the war
- he couldve created hatred between Ymir and the Attack titan because Ymir (in the paths-world) is the embodiment of love whereas the attack titan is the embodiment of freedom
- the plot could be explained by saying how these 2 titan minds contradicted each other
- this caused the attack titan to always disobey orders and have a mind of its own
- during the titan war, ymir and that era's attack titan user could have made a deal
- in return for letting the attack titan live freely, that user would promise ymir that she would become free
- that user could mention how he had a distant future-memory of a boy who valued and yearned for freedom
- Ymir would then agree, and if she could not be set free: she would possess the attack titan user and use him as a way to re-live.
- the two agree to the deal
- the past AT (attack titan) user does whatever he can to ensure eren becomes the successor
- 1000 years pass
- Ymir sees eren being born and inherits AT
- she decides to make him despair so she can entertain herself with a host-body
- she manipulates titans to eat his mother and comrades
- eren despairs but he never stops yearning for freedom
- as ymir watches eren she also sees a ackerman girl
- she cannot control her but she is intrigues as she realizes that she once had similar feelings as her
- Ymir decides to manipulate the AT powers and show eren a future, so that she can see what the ackerman girl would do
- Eren is tricked and acts accordingly
- Ymir realizes that she and the ackerman are similar.
- similar events unfold and mikasa kills eren
- Ymir is shocked and decides to stop making titans
- as a promise she gives eren freedom
- eren is now in the paths world where he watches his friends and fellow eldians OR ymir builds one last special titan (has organs), looking like eren
- she disappears and that titan gains eren's memories
- eren lives freely and decides to not have kids or abuse his new power
my man really wrote a whole new story *dead*
Enjoy life bro aot is fiction someone else’s imagination get a life
Eren’s decision making and dialogue just proves how human he is. He was making decisions that probably put him under extreme stress and his conversation with Armin was him venting and letting go of some stress.
You good sir have proven ypurself to be highly intelligent and understanding. Take my sub.
We already saw eren breakdown in the amazing chapter of 131
So why do we need a breakdown on a breakdown ,he already expressed his emotions on chapter 131 and we knew what was his "true" goals was
But then booom everything eren said was wrong and we see simp eren as a good character while everything he did since chapter 1 was against his character in 139 but people still think that this was the real eren while literally everytime fckin time eren talked about freedom he said that how he is prepared to sacrifice the world for his freedom and having the same ideals since chapter 1 just to see everything he said was wrong even when he was speaking to himself he was still lying to himself somehow and he turned out to be a simp
How does that make any sense
WTF
@@mightygamer174 well I understand where you're comming from, don't get me wrong, but it was mentioned that Eren is still a traumatized teenager.
@@mightygamer174 “Simp” I don’t think the word really holds any meaning in aot. They spent the majority of their lives as child soldiers and romance is a luxury they don’t get to explore. The fact that Eren feels that way but is mature enough to let go and make decisions that benefit her and all his other friends is something that older people in our world aren’t mature enough to do.
@@phatc0ck156 just watch the video
Trust me you will understand my point of view
Me when i see the tree at the end: "Here we go again!"
Oh shit, here we go again
For me Mikasa's perspective on Ymir added so much depth and complexity to everything. Eren had said, "I cannot claim to understand the depth of ymir's heart" so we couldn't understand Ymir but with this added page Mikasa understood. Just how she's herself and all of the eldians that were born, all of the characters that we came to love only existed because of what Ymir went through. Even someone like Ymir, who had only suffered and caused suffering made possible the life of millions after her. It showed how what she truly regretted was all in that ONE moment where the king could've died and she could've been there for her children whom she deeply loved and regretted not being there for.
The whole collective consciousness thing in Eren's case wasn't like some sort of multiple Erens in one body. It was implied to be more like enlightenment. Kind of like how Thanos described that he and Tony Stark had "the burden of knowledge", except that Eren can also visualize that knowledge in his mind. He can see the future clearly and how things will fall into place as well as feel it in a real sense. It's like knowing it will destroy the world but also knowing you have to press the nuke button yourself anyways or else mankind won't survive. That moment about Mikasa is Eren finally being able to let out at least a tiny bit of what he actually is, a young man in love. His dreams of freedom have already been destroyed by his realizations of what he has to do. Even so, he was able to stay the least bit human in the end unlike the others who got the power of knowledge and lost their minds in it completely. He was able to get back what little he had left of his youth in that awkward moment that he never got to have throughout the whole story since he was being dragged all over by the events. And as his moment of true maturity, Eren was able to entrust the goal of finding freedom to his friends. Not the same childish yelling for freedom entitlement, but the actual striving for freedom knowing fully well that it will be an insurmountable task.
Yes, the founder's character should've been more complicated than this, and I wish isayama could have added a few chapters to explain how things work, but oh well, I will still love AOT, it's still my no 1. and of course Eren is the best character of all time.
nah, i think he wanted to end it in 139 cause 13 years for a titan to live and 9 titans.
“My brother Gozen.”
Me: Your what? I thought only one person ran this channel.
Bro same i went back and then scrolled through his videos
Gozen's voice will be heard in OnePiece videos here.
@@sidharthiyer8042 Gozen is a lot more chill sounding in comparison to his bro
So that's the other deep voice
@@pillarmenn1936 Both are awesome.
Animac-san has amazing voice modulation, which makes me cringe all videos.😁
Gozen-san has deep analytical voice, which is cool as Ice😎and makes me impatient as always for next videos.
Armin: Hey.
Eren: Yeah?
Armin: You ever wonder why we're here?
I get that reference.
@@jahhun676 red vs blue?
@@z1209I2EE Yep.
Eren: It's one of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why are we here? I mean, are we the product of some cosmic coincidence, or is there really a God watching everything? You know, with a plan for us and stuff. I don't know, man, but it keeps me up at night.
@@christophermarquez7348 Armin: What? I mean why are we trapped here, in these walls?
I absolutely love the ending. I love that it’s open to interpretation. I think if we get announced if there is/not going to be a sequel series that’s when we can all collectively decide what the ending means. Personally I think it’s symbolism
I'm happy that Mikasa lived the life Eren sacrificed himself for
Yeah
( ·ั﹏·ั) Still, rest in peace my boy Eren Jaeger
He even sacrificed his own feelings for Mikasa along with his life which was more heart breaking 💔
Bruhh that ending was awful.
@@smiley9548 bruh he NEVER loved her. Barely showing any attraction up until that last panel of him and armin doesnt countm
I don’t understand why people are hating on it so much, most of it makes sense to me.
Me neither.... i dont get the hate... and attacking the creator of the series? Not cool
Regardless of the ending
People would have hated it one way or the other....
People gon shit them selves when One piece finally ends.. just watch
kinq Nathan no one attacked Isayama personally calm yourself.
@@hamzaplayz123 My guy, not physically perhaps but I myself read facebook and twitter comments of people directly 'attacking" the man, saying he is the worse writer and shit like that.. and besides, if his Work is being attacked and sometimes harshly criticized.. is that not still an attack on Isayama? dont play dumb bruh.. you knew exatly wtf i meant
@@kinqnathan1021 hahahaha wtf kid, so now no one can criticise a writer. Jesus christ, the absolute state of you 139 simps
@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 There's always someone stupid like u lurking where youre not needed... no one said not to criticize.. if you dont like it thats fine... it has problems and im very sure everyone at the very least acknowledges that... NO ONE ever said the ending was perfect... what the initial comment was , why is there festering hatred for it.... and simping?? Do you even know what simping means fam?
The whole point is this.. criticize or whatever thats fine... to call the man the worse writer.. and to say the whole series is bullshit because of the ending? You dont think that's a bit much? Surely not even you who clearly hate the ending.. sure you dont possibly think the man is the worse... that was what my comments were addressing friend...
I prefer this ending with the extra pages. It feels more fulfilling for more. That little kid who comes across Eren’s tree definitely looks like an Ackerman.
This series wasn't exactly "happy" so I never expected a happy ending. Honestly I think the ending is the best it could be. I like that he didn't become the bland shonen character that saves the day and gets everything he wants. Eren was so much more complex, so many things effecting his mind and actions. Now to the extra pages added...I get they wanted to show that history repeats itself, I always like that it was implied but the whole Eren-tree at the ending was a bit too direct. But that's just me.
But Ackerman can’t shift into titans, I just think they needed to wait for an Ackerman to fall in a tree to end titans. Though history would still repeat, even without titans human will be human is I think a better way to explain.
I prefer the original one hahaha🤣
19:40 I will counter you at this point she was just remembered that how eren gave and wrapped that scarf on her and when that bird do that she just felt kinda nostalgic when Eren does that.
Maybe, but birds usually don't go after scarfs lol. They go after food.
@@AnimeUproar I can't believe that you replied me. Thank you so much sir. One of the biggest fan of yours. Love from India
@@AnimeUproar 😂😂😂
I remember when Attack on Titan was about a crazy boy who wanted to kill titans ... now its just abiut titan shifters
@Light Yagami no i watched it to see if Eren would beat the titans and now they have pretty much forgotten that was the original plan for the show
@@manofhardcore9468 imo that’s when aot went from just good to amazing so I’m interested to see why you think it was a mess
@@manofhardcore9468 Lol you were never supposed to hate the Eldians
@@RainMicro he did beat the titans. The eldians became freed of the titan curse. Titans stop existing after he dies.
@@manofhardcore9468 thats one of the messages, early humans feared wild animals. but as the years go and humans develop, your previous fears are now nothing and you move onto your next enemy. someone who threatens your existence. just like the real world where we only fear other countries and natural disasters
Honestly I highly respect the way Eren's character was in the end. It is not supposed to make sense and be perfectly thought out, that is the point. He is supposed to be a conflicted and confused being. He is only a traumatized teenager at the end of the day. The power of the founder was very new to him compared to the others, and letting his friends beat him to be seen as heroes is a perfect ideology for him to have.
You are justifying bad writting with your headcannons since no one knows how the founder affected the conversation. Yams is proud of you, you can rest now
"It is not supposed to make sense"- so things not making sense is a good thing?
Him letting his friends beat him and be seen as heroes failed as they got bombed later on and it has nothing to do with Eren's ideology.
Ah yes a typical aot ending defender when they can’t find good reasons to defend the ending they make their own head canon
Are you going to respond or what
Everyone is this reply section, people are allowed to have different opinions no matter how confusing it might seem to those of us who don't share it. Pls keep that in mind and don't try to defy someone else's opinion. Of course you can share your own, but just don't try to prove someone wrong on something they believe
MIKASA was always loyal to EREN.
She never married in her life, she just adopted and raised 2 - 3 orphan kids..... 💙
Lokey i believe that if you really think about it make sense knowing Mikasa
@@mattdawzonyosores6005 hmm. U could see in the extra pages of the manga
If u will notice u will find her mark of ackerman is still there which means she didn't passed it to her child coz she don't had her own.....
She adopted orphans from historia's farm
@@sujalsahu7100 oh where the wrists tape is at? Alr hopefully that’s the case also somebody said something where roses that are in Erens grave symbolize something indicating she didn’t love anyone else but Eren.
@@mattdawzonyosores6005 in extra pages after the manga.
If u will notice u will find there is tape in her hand
And the 4 roses she drops on his grave symbolizes that there bond could not be broken and she continue to love him even after he is dead.
@@sujalsahu7100 you make a good point because why would she keep the wrist tape on if she is meant to pass the symbol down to her offspring and none of the children which people think is mikasa’s child have the symbol or wrist tape so your theory might be right
First person actually making a fair review of the finally, I think this review tackled all the aspects pretty well. To me is also a 9, with or without added content.
Are you okay with Mikasa being with Jean... Like seriously😭
AnimeUproar: *explains every detail about how the ending ended how it ended*
The toxic AOT fandom: "we're just gonna ignore that"
The toxic AOT fandom: "We want genocide! Kill all the elderly, the womans, even the children! They can't kill us if we kill them first!"
@@TheJuangabriel98 Yea, he didn't kill them so the world annihilated Paradis LMAO
@@Naven251 100 years later so I mean doesn’t affect eren or his friends.
Its almost as if he ignored several important plot points such as Ymir not regenerating, what could be the reason why Eren had to convince Ymir to join him when the plan was to join him and have Mikasa kill him, if Eren's actions were his own or Ymir's, and many more unanswered questions, plot holes, and blatant acts of bad writing with ZERO foreshadowing. Also its incredibly insulting to call people who didn't like the ending and critique it toxic. Do we not have a right to our opinion and to criticize the glaring issues in the story or are we supposed to just shut up and stay silent. To me that sounds toxic. Also Saintitchief made a video discussing and criticizing the points made in this video. He doesn't ignore what's presented and even provides very valid counter arguments so I suggest watching the video as well as reading the words and pictures in the manga and not reading the sidecovers dumbass.
Imagine I they went with the "deal with the devil" route picture this:
Ymir is running away to like before but is essentially killed in the end but before she died she encountered that very devil and made a deal to change her fate but at a price and gain the power of the titans for revenge (or to survive) and the story progresses from there with her as a new queen and then having her daughters however once she dies she ends up paying the price and ends up being stuck in the titan relm and being forced to slave away creating titans and with that the story goes down the path we already know
lol change her fate, thank God she doesn't become a bear.
@@throwawaw5129
Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the new tree represents Isayama's cyclical view on history like you mentioned as well as the inevitability of Eren having to sacrifice himself
Me: Finally attack on titan is over
Guy from future: Yah part 1 took way too long to finish
Me: Wut 🗿
Just wait until Beren: Attack on Titan Next Generations
"Teehee Beren. You unlocked your Armored form at 4 years old? You slacker" - Meicasa
They makin us wait 2 years pretty much
@@Agent_3141 TITAN CLONE JUTSU
Wait wut
Tbh idk why people hate Jean, he is one of my fav characters and he treated Mikasa very well. He was always there for her and did everything in her best interest, he was even on her side about trying to help Eren until Eren basically broke her heart being a huge dickhead. He is a good guy and probably would have gone to Eren's grave because he understood how much Eren meant to her. He also saved her life throughout the series and never bragged or competed against her. Whereas Eren was toxic to her the entire time. I am happy if the theory is true that it was Jean. Do you really think with Eren being gone he would not jump on the opportunity to be with Mikasa? 😂 no way he would pass that up!
Jean’s only personality trait is Mikasa🗿 you could say the same abt Mikasa too when it comes to Eren but she has other interesting aspects of her character. Like being Asian and being an Ackerman or having ymir taking a peak at her life. But Jean is just Jean💀 he’s not a leader, he’s not funny like Connie or Sasha, he’s just Jean
@@Aj-ng7kq yup, but now he is known as the guy who breeded Mikasa and was her first experience in romance
@@Notorious224 Didn't she experience romance in paths, she looked tired or like exhausted after a honeymoon in chapter 138, but yeah he had a kid with her
Nah, even Armin cares more for Mikasa than Jean.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП tru tru. but you’re forgetting one thing, mikasa is hot and jean is not👍👍 mikasa > jean
I feel like Mikasa should've had a child from Erin instead of some random Joe, it would've made so much more sense and a better connection with an Akerman and the former founding titan having a child could've been something to actually form a good sequel start off or something and done both Erin and Mikasa justice
eren shouldve let her with a kid since hes the founding titan in the end, with paths idk, and she would be much happier if she gets a child from him, she could move on with her life rising their child
@@Matthiaz_ exactly
If so Mikasa would've been the ultimate pregnant badass based on what she had to do to get close enough to lob off her baby daddy's head. lol
I honestly thought everyone realized Eren's mode of speech implied that it was both him and the founder talking together when it came to the actions of the Smiling Titan