Pochita IS NOT the Chainsaw Devil?!
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- UNBOXING CHANNEL ► www.youtube.co....
GAMING CHANNEL ► www.youtube.co...
WATCH ME LIVE ► / nchammer23
VODS CHANNEL ► www.youtube.co....
Follow Me on TikTok ► / nickccomedy
Edited with Love by: @RiddleMMD (facebook)
Outro Music:
Facebook.com/marcobofficial
marcob_
SoundCloud.com/marcobofficial
Intro Music:
Yoshi Studio Music - Made In Japan
• Made In Japan [ANIME O...
Background Music:
Chillpeach - Hope : • Video
#chainsawman #pochita #denjichainsawman
I think pochita is the extinction devil. It’d easily fit into primal fears and the chainsaws fit with deforestation which has gotta be a leading cause of species going extinct. And it’d explain why he can erase things from existence.
I think pochita is the fear devil. The fear of being afraid. So while other devils gain strenght from the fear others have for the concept they represent, Pochita’s strength comes from fears of devils and what devils fear. The only thing that devils fear is to stop being feared so thats why pochita has the power to remove other devils from existence. In a world where being afraid of something can spawn a dangerous monster, its also probably common for people to be afraid of being afraid
That’s probably the case. I thought maybe pochita was the death devil having the ability to literally erase devils out of existence but when I looked more into it that’s probably not the case who knows tho.
I think so as well. Extinctions is the primal fear of ceasing to exist. Not of dying, but of ceasing to be alltogether, of having any trace of you and your existence erased. Sound familiar? It's exactly what happens to the Devils Pochita eats. You could say there is a notable overlap with the Death Devil, however we have already seen that the Katana Devil and the Longsword Devil are separate entities despite being both Swords; so having Death and Extinction being different devils is not improbable. Plus we have seen that primal fear devils can have less direct names (well, we have seen that with the only primal fear devil we have seen): if Darkness Devil actually represents the fear of Mutilation (fear of the dark is really fear of what lurks in the dark, because what hides in there can possibly hurt (mutilate) you), then Pochita with his chainsaws could very possibly represent Extinction in some way.
This is it
this one
I like the "being alone or forgotten devil." I think it's connected to the movie they watched about being alone or forgotten that made both makima and denji cry.
The Loneliness Devil
@@Al-qg9dr how many people genuinely fear extinction though?
@@SahilFR not many, but since it's a concept, people have most likely feared the idea of having humanity go extinct from like a meteor or something, and since instinction doesn't really have a physical form, pochita probably just took upon a random form.
@@SahilFR Id say it’s weirder if you aren’t? We live in a random universe where anything can happen. If you think about the world being wiped out you may not “fear” the idea but the idea itself plants the seed of fear. I can talk about the darkness and not be scared of it, but then shit my pants the moment I actually am in a dark area. If a giant meteor was on its way to earth a lot of you would be pissing your pants. My point is, you may not cower in fear at the thought of extinction but the moment there’s a possibility of it, that’s when the fear is shown. I’d argue that it’s a primal fear.
@@cloberlobster2276 tf you mean not many? It’s not like the gun devil draws his power from the people that are currently being either shot at or have a gun pointed at them, it comes from everyone because at the back of everyone’s mind we all fear being shot, so I’d argue that everyone fears being wiped out and forgotten. Plus you got to think about it from a perspective of the anime’s universe as well. What if the strongest devil killed every demon in hell besides itself then they all spawn on earth, would you still not be scared of extinction then?
Wow, with Pochita being the fear of being eaten devil it would make sense that he got weaker when humanity was cheering for Chainsaw Man, because humanity now saw a Hero who could protect them from being eaten, reducing the collective fear of the concept.
Well thats how every devil works, if the fear of the concept dies down in the eyes of humanity the devil gets weaker.
I just posted a comment but here are two possibilities
Death Devil- all things fear death, and a Dead Devil is forgotten. Devils and Humans would fear Death for two different reasons, both making Pochita stronger.
Love- Philophobia is the literal Fear of Love (falling in love or being loved)
This is a natural fear humans have, but something the Devils would fear more.
Being Loved would reduce the amount of fear towards a particular aspect.
The Gun Devil would be much weaker if the general populace started to Love guns rather than be afraid of them.
How strong would the Darkness Devil be if the would loved the dark?
If Fear powers up a Devil, Love would weaken it. Absolute Love would devour the fear itself and therefore remove the fear completely; removing and making people forget what they were supposed to be afraid of.
@@Egryn it cant be death since death is one of the 4 horsemen
@@doualorenzo6272 you are correct, but where is the Death Devil?
There is basically no information on this other than lore stating the Chainsaw Devil and the Four Horsemen got in a fight.
There is still no sign of the death Devil.
This leads me to ask about Pochita being the “Love Devil”.
Would that theory hold water?
There is a tomato Devil after all. I’d put fear of love a little higher than a fear of a tomato.
Wouldn’t you agree?
@@doualorenzo6272 Don't say that. We don't know for sure, bud. We have two horseman, but that doesn't mean that the death devil isn't a primal fear in hell.
The fear of being forgotten seems pretty goddamned accurate. Not just from his power, but also the way denji lives and the promise he extracted, which is to live life to it's fullest and to survive. If you've ever faced the 2 am existential horror of existence, this is the greatest fear of all, greater than death itself and probably the most primal, tying in with all the themes of the manga
This. Right here answers the devil erasure ability. If Pochieta is the fear of loss/being forgotten it makes sense that when he eats another devil that fear is lost/forgotten
@@cwatts6155 He is the fear of no longer existing.
Fear of being forgotten is not a primal fear, its weak compare to other common fears. in contrast there are people who want to be forgotten like if they have debt or did a shameful act, and there are who dont give a damn if they are being forgotten. Let me ask you, would you fear being forgotten than being beaten, having a cancer or hiv, or any other common fears?
@@steveoh8036 Pochita gets his power from the fear demons give him, Demons fear being forgotten as it is the only way the truly die.
@@steveoh8036 you forget where they say pochita gets his power from.
It's most likely the "forgotten devil" theory for 3 reasons.
1. It explains pochita's erasure power.
2. It makes sense that everyone would think the forgotten devil is a different devil, since they'd necessarily forget he exists.
3. Pochita and Denji draw power from the fear of both humans and devils. Asa even guesses the war devil's one fear is being forgotten, which is the only way a devil can permanently be killed. This is a universal fear, not just a primordial one unique to humans, which would explain why pochita is so strong he could fight the 4 horsemen, including death.
I think this sums it up the best, also the reason why everyone, including the 4 horsemen and Makima, still think ofhim by that name (cause edit: they only ever call him 'chainsaw *man*' and not devil I'm p sure), it could be because of his ability of making things forgotten, including his own identity to other devils and humans.
chainsaws tho
@@phibie8853Pochita is got weaker no?Cuz the people dont fear him anymore so i think he got way weaker and he will be like that until the people start fesring him(Im asking cuz i wanna if he got much weaker or nah)
@@by_Uzx actually that is the one part that could poke some holes in this theory. Like maybe seeing chainsaw man being heroic (with the 'chainsaw' part of his name sticking out), peoples fear of chainsaws got weaker and he got weaker. Which would then kinda invalidate this theory a bit.
I could think maybe just not fearing a devil even if it's not by the correct name could have the same effect of weakening him, but I'm not sure about that. So that's one of the things in the story that makes me iffy about the theory (and once again confused why a chainsaw devil has the power to erase things if he IS in fact the chainsaw devil)
@@phibie8853 I’m worried because in the manga makima said he got weaker because people started seeing him like and hero thats why makima could do some damage in him,so i believe that he actually got weaker but i still dont know if he is the really chainsaw devil because why a chainsaw could erase something existence,maybe you just need to people fear your name not what you actually are,but i believe he is still strong because is not the humans that fears him but the devils so i believe he just got a little bit weaker
I was pretty sure they said in the manga that the chainsaw's power is because rather than every human fearing it like guns or something, EVERY devil fears it. Which is to say every concept that humans have ever feared, fears the chainsaw devil. Giving it the most power possible
this is true. everyone else in the comment section sped read it or smth
I don't remember them saying that, but even if that is the case then the question becomes why did devils start to fear the chainsaw devil in the first place. Spontaneous fear of a devil that already exists doesn't make sense
@@Mandop-rd5qr they found out that he has permadeath ability. But then the question becomes why chainsaw devil has it?
devils power is reliant on the fear of what they represent not who they are fearing the devil itself and not the thing they represent doesnt make them stronger in any way
yes, but then how would've the chainsaw devil even acquired those masses of fear.
Devils are created by human fears and concepts, the chainsaw devil after its creation in 1830 would be just anothet sword, arrow or hammer devil. How would the devils start fearing it? It would not make any sense for the chainsaw devil to have the erase ability either, because its fucking chainsaws, not an abstract conecept.
thus the theories surrounding that pochita is not the chainsaw devil
I was actually thinking of the primal fear of pain or suffering for Pochita. But the fear of being forgotten makes a lot more sense if we consider that what devils actually want in life. For example, the Control Devil wants to have equal relationships and the Blood Devil wants to feel the warmth of blood. Likewise, if Pochita represents the fear of being forgotten, the goal of having to hug someone makes a lot of sense. (Although the fear of pain or suffering would also make sense, it does not explain the erasure ability.)
I wonder if the primal devil of pain would be a nice being. Like imagine the devil of pain is actually a being that's constantly trying to seek pleasure or happiness, but is unable to give it since it only represents pain.
Pain devil should be strong or stronger than darkness devil I guess.
The wish to be hugged by someone could also apply to the fear of Extinction. Because if u were the last of ur species left, you’d want another to hold 😢
How about the mutilation devil?
Hi, I don’t remember when it was shown that devils can gain other abilities by consuming devils? Can someone tell me when that happened?
Can't wait to see how absolutely absurd the Fire Devil is gonna end up being considering that should be another primal fear
i think it would be cool if the fire devil had a rivalry with the darkness devil, since humans used fire as a source of light for most of our existence, maybe even it would be "tamed" for the most part, considering we've used fire to improve our lives still today, of course when it goes out of control entire towns can burn before you notice
now if normal fire can destroy towns, it wouldn't surprise me if the fire devil could just set an entire country on fire
I am not sure if it is a primal devil. Is not like animals or people have a constant fear of fire. Is more occasional IMO. It definitely would be strong thou.
@@ruyman90 all living things have an innate fear of fire since 100000s of years
@@GenerikUser kinda hoping the Fire Devil looks like Agni when he blacked out and went all Fire Punch on that dude that burned him
I think that its also possible that Pochita has simply never died.
We know, due to Makima, that when Devils die they are significantly weakened.
It can be possible that devils infinitely increase in power until they die, so if every devil has died besides Pochita, it explains his power.
Just to point out, in the infinity devil episodes they state that Power couldn’t make the deal to feed Denji to the devil due to her being a fiend. Fiends are just human bodies possessed by devils which does mean devils can’t make contracts with other devils. Unless I got that wrong
Power and Denji made a deal between them, so they can
@@tomasgrance1657 denji is human, if he was a fiend he would always have a chainsaw head, and wouldn't have his own memories, pochita would be in control
@@CorruptAxolotl he was still considered as a devil, but he was human
@@tomasgrance1657 he's a weird hybrid, he seems to follow some of the rules of humans and devil's, like how he can drink blood to recover injuries, and from death
But the reason being for that is that pochita gave him his heart, so he is capable of doing things like that, in physical terms, he seems to be a devil, in terms of mentality and, idk what you'd call it, but in terms of making contracts with devil's, he seems to class as a human
Also they stated when the eternity devil showed up for the first time that "devil's can't make contracts with devils" when power was voting to sacrifice denji to the devil, and then the fact that power was able to make a contract with him when he was dying infront of makima, seems to imply he can make contracts with devil's, making him class as a human when it comes to contracts
@@CorruptAxolotl I see, I also forgot humans can make contracts with multiple devils
The fear of the unknown came immediately into my head. It would explain why it’s real devil name isn’t known, and why devils become non-existent when eaten by it. Fear of the unknown would make sense as a primal fear too. The human brain loves patterns and familiarity
Darkness is already the fear of the unknown.
No Darkness and this are different and this IS a good theory.
But this is Manga/Anime.. the Fear of being Eaten is Definitely IT!
He is the Consumption Devil.
And because you cease to exists when fully eaten by him.. it means he has his main: Consumption plus gains strength from others as well.
The more fear and chaos.. also the more someone is fearful of being eaten. Especially because it was the very first Fear from the Dinosaur Age & therefore the others technically branched off from That.^
I thought the same.
I think fear of the unknown is the same as fear of unknown
I have always thought something similar where Pochita is the fear of Nothingness or a Void the fear that there is nothing after death no afterlife or reincarnation and that's why when he eats devils they are gone forever also the fear of there not being anything after death would be pretty strong in humans making it powerful and then Devils developing that fear after knowing being eaten by Pochita erases them forever.
You may be right about the fear of being forgotten, but hear me out.
Pochita is the "Fear Devil". That's why what he consumes that fear goes away, and everything fears something, giving Pochita power over them
As the saying goes "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"
It was in our face the whole time
I like it... Well thought out solid possibly
I agree with this theory too. This would theoretically make him bigger than a primal fear
That doesn't really explain why Pochita got weaker when chainsaw man became a hero. If it encompasses fear as a whole, then it shouldn't have been weakened by something like this, at least not significantly. Plus, other Devils wouldn't be strong enough to fight it if it was all fears at the same time, cause a Fear Devil would mean all fears feed its power. This just doesn't make sense for Pochita, though there might be a Fear Devil in the story, but probably as an end boss, if there is one.
@@kionyfey7740 because theres less to fear? And people know they wont have to fear anything as long as chainsaw man is there?
I would say more like horror devil. Horror movies classic era with chain saws, everything you put into horror movies are less scary to the point where you forget it was real, people are afraid of horrors but when you put horror character becames a hero it lose its powers ( film like dracula untold, new mummy, Mr hide from league of gentlemens ). What do you think guys
I think the Chainsaw devil is so powerful because so many devils fear him. He was probably killing devils in hell for so long that he became the hero of hell and one of the worst fears of devils and the ability to erase devils came over time.
But that would mean Pochita was strong from the beginning of his existence, and chainsaws just don't hold enough fear for him to have gotten strong enough to become feared like he is.
@@laynegrey2003 more proof he's not the chainsaw devil 🤭
@@laynegrey2003 Chainsaws are probably the most common weapon against devils and similar unholy monsters in our modern culture (think doomguy), it's possible demons possessed a natural fear of chainsaws long before Pochita rose to power just because it's the weapon we commonly associate against them. If this is the case then pochita would br decently strong even from the beginning and as long as he picked his fights well and slowly made sure to kill enough devils to make all of hell fear him, he could rise to the top of the hierarchy
Hi, I don’t remember when it was shown that devils can gain other abilities by consuming devils? Can someone tell me when that happened?
part of why the "being forgotten" devil seems the most likely, developing chainsaws only because he ate a part of the chainsaw devil.
I like the consumption devil theory bc the theme/imagery of being eaten can be found everywhere in Chainsaw Man. Everyone is afraid of getting consumed by devils. Devils consume blood to re-generate. Even at the very beginning, Denji is constantly talking about wanting to eat bread with jam and even one of Makima’s first offer to Denji is to give him breakfast.
The theme of eating and consumption is literally in our face. It’s gotta mean something important.
Also it would make total sense for the consumption devil to have chainsaws since they violently "consume" anything in front of them to the point where we call the blades on chainsaws "teeth" it honestly makes the most sense, since also the fear of being consumed IS the fear of being erased, with nothing but blood a viscera left behind
Or pure coincidence 😅
The important thing is that makima NEVER calls him the chainsaw devil. She refers to him as the chainsaw man even in the past. So it isn't the chainsaw devil.
that doesn't mean as much you think it would Makima in their fight thought she was fighting denji the whole time includes when she was ambush by kishibe
Maybe Makima was calling whatever Pochita was the chainsaw man to try and actually humanize him, which in my opinion would make him seem weaker, making her believe she was stronger than Pochita, which makes her able to control him. But instead of controlling pochita, she could only ever slightly control Denji
SPOILER WARNING FOR ANIME ONLIES
Personally, I really like the idea that Pochita embodies the fear of being forgotten. It makes sense with the lore we currently have, and there’s even some strong evidence for this in CSM Part 2.
In Chapter 104, Yoru (the War Devil) throws a tantrum after being saved previously by Chainsaw Man. During this, she explains to Asa that because Chainsaw Man ate from her body, her power is greatly weakened. Not only that, but all wars after WW1 were wiped from history, meaning that contemporary humanity only knows about wars from history books, movies, video games, etc. There are no ongoing wars between nations to make humans scared. All they see are caricatures of what they think wars would be like.
This is compounded by our knowledge that the Nuke Devil was eaten whole by Chainsaw Man, thus removing it entirely from the world. Nukes that ended WW2, fuelled the arms race and Cold War, were used as last resorts/deterrents for wars and invasions; they were all erased from the world because of Chainsaw Man. This action made humanity forget the fear and horrors that this object brought… and the wars it caused.
Yoru’s goal is to get Chainsaw Man to throw up the Nuke Devil. While it’s not explicitly stated, it can be implied that this is so the Nuke Devil can strike fear into humanity yet again. This would strengthen both the Nuke Devil and War Devil because of how interlinked the two are (just look at the real world and the fear surrounding nuclear warfare). Furthermore, it can be implied by Yoru’s statement, “…and as the world forgot war’s terrors, I grew even weaker[.] At this rate… everyone will forget me… and Chainsaw Man is to blame” that she is going through these lengths because she’s scared of being forgotten… of dying the only way that a devil can truly die.
If Pochita really is the fear of being forgotten, then this would tie directly into Yoru’s goals of Part 2. Why else would a Horsemen Devil fear Chainsaw Man? To me, it would make sense that Yoru’s fear of being forgotten, as shown in her tantrum, implies the possible true nature of Pochita’s powers as Chainsaw Man. It’s either that, or possibly her dream to have people remember her fondly… a paradoxical dream, sure, but so was Makima’s dream of an equal relationship (goes against her Control Devil powers) and Pochita’s dream of being hugged (the boy had chainsaws for arms and obliterated people by accident).
Sorry for the lengthy comment, and I hope this makes sense to read through!
TL;DR: Part 2 of CSM holds evidence to the “fear of being forgotten theory” through Yoru’s character and goals.
I aint reading allat
@@kekn Fair ^^’ I went off, that’s for sure… oh well!
@@MoonRose65 joking brodie I read all of it 🤣
Thats a good theory I thought about this too.
So did the four horsemen devils not need to be killed in hell to appear on earth? Did Control devil get killed instantly in hell after she was defeated to respawn as the new kid? Seems like a nerf
I thought the point was that DEVILS fear the Chainsaw Devil, because of it's unique power. And the more they fear it, the stronger it grows, and thus the more they fear it until it becomes... well, what it was pre-Denji. They even say it is "The Devil that Devils fear."
That *IS* what literally happens but I think they’re just speculating and theory crafting for fun :)
I think the point here is that a devil's powers are based innately on what it represents. So what does the chainsaw devil actually represent that gave it the innate ability to eat a devil and erase it as well as what it represents entirely. An ability that makes even devil's fear it and makes it stronger as a result.
and also because it is unkillable, he just rises again
yeah pochita is basically the only devil that devils fear and devil fear is probably a stronger factor than human fear
Yes but that is a chicken or egg problem.
It can't explain why the power is unique in the first place.
Might be a bit of a stretch, but when I finished reading CSM part 1, my first theory was that pochita was the forgetting devil, either the fear of being forgotten, or the fear of forgetting, and one of the reason he was so attached to denji was denji's entire "what's behind the door" backstory. The reason he has a chainsaw is because of the "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" philosophical question. A chainsaw is literally one of the loudest equipments I can think of, but if it's somehow cutting off a tree and no-one is around, does it makes a sound?
Again, I think it's a bit of a stretch, but I'm pretty sure pochita isn't just the chainsaw devil
Might be a stretch but it makes way too much sense, "the tree in the forest" rounds it up very nicely.
He is the chainsaw devil. The reason he is so strong is because while humans don't fear him, the devils sure do. We don't understand why he can eat them and they slowly get forgotten but I'm sure we will as the chapters continue to roll in
@@HolyChesusCrust yeah but that argument kinda makes this a "chicken or the egg" debate, a devil is as strong as he is feared, but pochita is feared because of their power he gained from being feared a lot. So did pochita started off as a weak devil and eventually was feared out of nowhere thus gaining the ability to erase devils, or were they feared a lot from the start for no reason thus giving them the power to erase devils. Pochita not being the chainsaw devil makes the most sense for me, though against, that's also probably not what's really happening
@@Someone-wr4ms mmm I get you now, it makes sense
@@Someone-wr4ms I was thinking people were saying he wasn't the real chainsaw man, which I strongly believe he is, but the key word I missed was "Devil" I understand where you guys are coming from now and I agree. Maybe he's the death devil, though if I remember correctly he was battling the four horsemen of the apocalypse, and Makima wanted to erase death, so I don't believe that. Otherwise I see people say consumption devil or forgotten devil as while Chainsaws are scary, they're not common fears of people. It is more scary to be completely forgotten by everyone or consumed than chainsaws lol
I heard this theory somewhere on reddit which I really liked. The theory that the "Chainsaw Man" was not actually a devil at first, but rather was once a human devil hunter. The fact that the Chainsaw Man devil seems to be the strongest of them all despite the fear of chainsaws not being as powerful as other fears, makes me think that there was a human devil hunter who was so strong and skilled with a chainsaw that they became a legend, and the fear of them from devils manifested into a devil itself. It would also makes sense that this devil would have abilities tailored to the human devil hunter's personality and goals, since the fear itself isn't a concept, group, event, weapon, disease, or other, but rather a person. This devil hunter may have been like Eren Yeager, where the intense determination to wipe out devils was so tied to his personality, that the devil that was tailored to him gained to ability to erase devils from existence.
Edit: Actually, it could just be the fear of Devil Hunters itself
Edit 2: Wait, but that wouldn't explain the chainsaws-
EDIT 3: Oh... my... god. I just thought of something. IT'S A FUCKING PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE!!!
Imagine this scenario: Eren Yeager like mofo shows up with a chainsaw cause devils killed his family or whatever. THEN, he goes on a devil hunting massacre and he gains a little bit of a name for himself, so much so that a weak devil was spawned in his image. It really doesn't matter if the original devil hunter gets killed now as long as the rumor that he might still be around lingers for a bit. Now, the weak devil that was spawned in his image should have the same aspirations and qualities that he had. AND NOW THIS NEW WEAK DEVIL GOES ON A DEVIL HUNTING KILLING SPREE. THE RUMOR OF A DEVIL MASSACRING OTHER DEVILS STARTS A PERPUTUAL LOOP, SO THAT AS THE WEAKER CHAINSAW DEVIL GOES AROUND KILLING MORE DEVILS, HE ONLY GETS STRONGER, IT'S LITERALLY A MANIFESTATION OF THE FEAR OF ITSELF!!!
A long-lasting rumor of even a weak devil killing other devils could make a perpetual cycle that would only make the devil stronger as it kills more devils and feeds the rumors. This makes the Chainsaw Man devil literally a manifestation of the fear of itself, and the only thing keeping it from being erased from existence is to feed the legends and rumors, and continue on his massacre. He literally cannot stop killing other devils, because if he were- his legacy would be forgotten and he would be erased.
Tldr: The Chainsaw Man devil is literally willing himself into existence, and the perpetual slaughtering of devils is the only thing stopping his own erasure. It is the manifestation of the fear of itself.
Well there's a bit of hole with that theory: Quanxi.
Quanxi is referred to as 'The First Devil Hunter', but there's a few ways to interpret that statement. The obvious is that she's the oldest living and still active Devil Hunter, even moreso than Kishibe. Another is that she's quite literally the first Devil Hunter in recorded history, which would fit since she's seemingly ageless and immortal, but another way to read it that goes hand-in-hand with that statement is that she's the First _Devil_ Hunter, as in the first Devil Hunter to become a Hybrid and therefore a Devil.
Doesn't make sense to me. Why would humans fear Quanxi or any other devil hunter? I guess the devils feared Quanxi but did she hunt with a chainsaw? Nope. If she did, then yeah, it would be a solid theory.
Also, it's just too convoluted a theory in comparison to the theory he's the most fearsome primordial devil that disguised itself as the chainsaw devil after killing it.
@Brutalyte616 There had to be devil hunters for millions of years. As long as devils, and thus humans existed. Quanxi is probably the first modern "professional devil hunter" after the system was set up.
Quanxi is still alive today. So it can't be her. But I also don't think this theory works. Why would the first devil hunter take on the form of a chainsaw unless he/she hunted with a chainsaw? Or merged with the chainsaw devil. But then the chainsaw devil/hunter hybrid merged with Denji?
This theory is just too convoluted and has too many holes IMHO.
@@Brutalyte616 ugh. Tags. See directly above
@@breakmanradio2530 She's a hybrid, just like Denji and Katanaman, so she doesn't age and is effectively immortal, even surviving being decapitated several times. So she might be VERY old because she was presumably a hybrid even before she met Kishibe, still having the eyepatch at that time, and she had not visibly aged since then.
As for the concept of Devils and Devil Hunters, bear in mind that the power of a Devil is directly proportional to the amount of people who are afraid of the thing it represents, so it's entirely possible that Devils have only been around for a few millennia, or even only a few centuries, as there simply wouldn't have been enough people on Earth to allow a Devil to manifest with any real power outside of the Primal Fears, who have never known death and therefore never left Hell. It's also noted that the modern upswing in Devil activity is attributed to the Gun Devil's rampage, which in and of itself was fueled by gun violence stemming from the proliferation of firearms among the general public to help deal with a rise in Devil activity.
So no matter how you slice it, Devils and Devil Hunters are a relatively new phenomenon in the eyes of the public, even if there are isolated incidents going back thousands of years. Hell, devil-human hybrids like Denji are still considered mythical, despite there being almost a dozen of them known to exist.
I like the idea of him being a pain devil. Doesn't tie that well with erasing ability, but works a lot with chainsaws and how both zombie devil and eternity devil scream how painful it is while being killed. Also pain feels like a very simple and primal thing
I have the same idea. I just left a comment today on this video.
It could be the consumption of flesh could have an eternal pain for the entire devil. And so the only way to deal with it to simply not exist. Like the eternity devil death but on a large scale
This is more of a technicality on my part, but I feel that instead of "the fear of being forgotten," it might make more sense as "the fear of non-existence," which would be like the fear of "true death" where no reincarnation were possible. That concept just makes a little more sense to me personally.
If Pochita is the Fear Devil, then that means he can manifest chainsaws because of horror movies. Texas Chainsaw Man Massacre.
how bout straight up Ghost? in asia ghost stories are more popular then psychos or murderers since (and im guessing the reason here) believes and religious, now imagin Pochita manifest as the grudge or the ring and dragging u in the closet or the well while u sleep xD (the Japanese original version ofc)
hell even Ghost Devil would shit it self
I mean he could still be the consumption devil and stick to a texas chainsaw massacre reference because they were cannibals right?
@@PhumKaeos the ghost devil already exists though so he can't be that
I believe that Pochita is the Chainsaw Devil, but in the same way that the Darkness Devil gained the power of manifesting swords from humans fear of being attacked by swords in the dark, Pochita has an ability tied to chainsaws that humans once feared. If you google "why were chainsaws invented" you'll find that they were originally used to assist in childbirth, but the only reason to need a chainsaw was if there were complications during the birth. So, if people began to associate chainsaws with complications during birth, I believe Pochita has the ability to complicate the rebirth of Devils and prevents them from reincarnating. While this power would not make humans any more afraid of the Chainsaw Devil, being the only thing that can prevent a Devil's reincarnation would make him the #1 fear amongst Devils.
😮
I like the Consumption devil theory. It explains a lot about Pochita's design too. The scarf made of intestines, like Makima's crown of brain matter. The weird needle like teeth, the huge long tongue. The way he can practically unhinged his jaw. Other Hybrids seem to have more rigid forms, and most of them can barely move their mouths. Except for the ones whose fear stems around being eaten, like the Shark devil.
Chainsaws cutter bits are called teeth also. And chainsaws eat through wood.
A bunch of other devils have guts hanging out of them. Typhoon, Blood Devil, whatever Denji saved that cat from.
idk, I think it would just be adjacent to the death devil if it were that. being eaten is merely a method of death after all. I’d honestly go with pain before being eaten, I mean p much everything about being eaten applies to pain except pain has existed longer than both death and being eaten and it works better with having chainsaws as a secondary ability. A lot of the devils that fight denji even talk about how much pain they feel. That being said, I like the fear of being forgotten more overall.
Another chainsaw man has just been revealed in chainsaw man part 2 so this makes more sense now.
Erasure as a concept is terrifying and freeing simultaneously. It is more than death, it is a complete reunion with everything. We fear this concept more than nearly everything else, material or not. Pochita uses that little chainsaw smile to make us forget about our fears to strike our paths with the knowledge that our fears, while warranted, can always be eaten by a cute little dog.
If he's the predator devil, I say that the erasure is tied to his alpha status. He doesn't need to remember what he ate, so why does anyone else?
Altogether, the chainsaws connect to both with the shredded pieces of his victims representing the meal to be consumed and forgotten.
My theory on Pochita’s erasure concept is that by eating away the fears of devil that manifest actual consequences like nuclear bombs, aids, etc. We as human being are able to reach the state of nothingness, or in Buddhism what is call Nirvana.
Because I can remember when Denji was fighting Aki as the Gun Fiend, the victims surrounding him didn’t blame him for the mass destruction or deaths. But instead, help him. They saw within the Chainsaw Man is a chain of suffering that they want to cut away. A kind of pain you could say.
So in short, Pochita represent something that The Four Horsemen fear once human being see it within Pochita, which is Hope.
I subscribe to the fear of being forgotten, or some variant
Erasure, losing something forever, the nonexistence, the end
it comes in many forms but i think it is the same, fear of your own irrelevance and slipping away, forgotten.
But there is maybe another clue, "show me your dream, i want to see your dream come true"
Fear of being gone before you can do something you've yearned for, fear of missing out, fear of not reaching your potential or trying something, fear of missing your chance - fear of time running out, fear of never being truly happy.
BUTTTT also there's something about fear of being the only one left, what does your own existence mean without an audience? Don't we all sort of find fulfilment through sharing experiences with others in one form or another? Well some life forms not, like plankton or plants... anyway just some thoughts
Yeah I agree I think framing it through somthing similar through extinction would also work really well as the chainsaws manifest in relation to humanity’s destruction of our planet, even denji uses pochita for cutting down trees before he’s killed by the yakuza.
Fear of being forgotten works with chainsaws if you think of a legacy being "torn” apart. Chainsaws do tear/cut effectively. Teeth also tear and cut and it's a big part to the character's look.
Pochita might be the fear of the Unknown. Answering why what pochita eats BECOMES unknown i.e Forgotten. The chainsaw probably comes as a form of enigma, a sort of riddle to its existence (again ties to being an unknown factor). The same sensation to us readers are questioning why pochita is even a chainsaw devil, or why is the chainsaw devil so strong. All questions lead to the unknown.
I like the last idea. Pochita is the "Prey Devil" which make sense because Pochita, other than the Chainsaw, looks like a weaker creature that would be easy prey. I like this theory
Being the consumption devil makes the most sense of all. It also makes since for pochita to have chainsaws, since chainsaw blades are called "teeth" and "consume" whatever is put in front of them. Also the fear of being violently eaten is also the fear of being erased leaving nothing but viscera behind. I mean COME ON it blends so well with chainsaw mans themes
If Pochita is the consumption devil it could also explain why he liked Denji so much. Denji was a kid with nothing that was content to just get by, but he also had a high consumption drive that he could only fantasize about fulfilling. It could have been cathartic for Pochita to struggle with little to live off of except for friendship and this kids Hope's for the future. We dont really get to see what Denji was like before him and Pochita fused, but it's very obvious that his desire to satisfy his needs, or consume things, has definitely become more prominent and often lead him to going fully mad to get what he wants. As well as the things he wants hes willing to fight for to get no matter how hard the fight is.
Or to go off the using chainsaw parts to hide his identity, pochita could have thought Denji was the perfect vessel to hide himself in. A unique new experience while being able to hide from the devil's that were hunting him, tho if that's the case that was a terrible plan cuz he was INSTANTLY found by the person who wanted to find him the most lol.
I think you nailed the name on the head with "consumption devil" the chainsaws would fit perfectly bc they violently "consume" whatever is in front of them, we even call the blades on chainsaws teeth. And the fear of being consumed IS the fear of being erased. So yeah not "the fear of being eaten devil" but THE CONSUMPTION DEVIL
I have a feeling that Pochita and Chainsaw Mans power is rooted in the primal fear and concept of severe Mutilation as a whole, and chainsaws happen to be one of the most modernistic, effective and brutal object to use to do that to someone/something. So many things in our world, from the beginning of time and onwards, have been able to Mutilate people and for a long time the chances of surviving wounds/afflictions from severe Mutilation for a person were very low (until the age of modern medicine) AND considering every weapon has a high probability of mutilating the body in some regard, not only would the sphere of fear related strengths given to every Weapons Devil would help amplify the power of a Mutilation Devil, making it stronger than each Weapon Devil individually, but alltogether. Even Idea based Devils like War, Control, Famine/Hunger and Death are all in the realm of Mutilation of the body and mind in most regards.
Wars: Acts of War have mutilated the minds and bodies of countless individuals.
Control: Acts of severe Control have lead to the mutilation of peoples minds and have lead to self acts of mutilation
Famine/Hunger: Famine/Hunger has ravaged countless lands and civilizations, leaving the lands and peoples minds, bodies and entire populations mutilated for generations.
Death: Well... if your body is mutilated in extreme manners... you're probably going to die from the inflicted wounds.
Even ideas of 'Being Eaten' would fall into a greater realm of being Mutilated, because the fear of 'Being Eaten' is present, but the idea that your body is being ripped apart, torn limb from limb, being mutilated, while all you can do is watch as the Devil consumes your body bit-by-bit would be more presentingly terrifying than just being devoured as a whole. Even the way Chainsaw man rips apart his enemies and dismembers their bodys and by consuming them, would mutilate their immortality. Hell, the word mutilate literally means "to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of" and I think the Devils would consider their Immortality an Essential Part of themselves.
Hell, even the series first introduced us to Denji, who has Mutilated his body, having his eye and kidneys sold to pay off his fathers debt
Me too
Though the exact same after I finished the manga. Being mutilated is far more terrifying than dying peacefully in a hospital bed. Most of us can look and stand a peaceful death but a horrific and ugly one can mentally scar someone for life. You explained it even better with the correlation to the other powerful devils. Hell being mutilated and living is still a crazy fear for anyone. We all as humans care about o her appearance and seeing someone take a chainsaw to the face your eventually think damn holy fuck what if that guy was me. And the fear kicks in
Makes even more sense if little Denji mutilated his dad in self-defense which lead to him automatically erasing/ forgetting it, extreme gore does that. So then the Mutilation Devil as Pochita was drawn to Denji & his dead dad.
not to mention that denji's corpse was mutilated and chopped up, only for pochita to reverse it. when you think back to what chainsaws used to be used for, cutting the pelvis open for child birth, it makes more sense that they'd be used as a staple for the mutilation devil
What if he is "The Forgotten Devil"? It would explain why he can erase other devils but also would explain why the other Devils call him the chainsaw devil. His power makes it to where they forgot his true identity. They just see him as an anomaly. And that scares them so much.
I'd take a screen shot and save this because this honestly makes hella sense and I would not want any other answer than this. Like when he ate that one word that doesn't exist. What if that's his name ?
It makes sense why he’s one of the strongest. If a devil is eaten by him they’re either forgotten as a whole or parts of them are forgotten which makes them weaker. It’s almost like pochita is set up to counter other devils very existence because their source of power and life is fear itself. Knowing there’s a devil that can wipe you off the face of this earth would be the scariest thing.
Wouldn’t it be funny if Pochita is the “Love Devil”
The interaction with War would be even more hilarious lol
I havent watched the video yet, but my whole theory is that Pochita is the Samsara (Reincarnation) or Cycle Devil. The chain on the chainsaw makes up the cycle of rebirth and death, and the ability to eat things and have them completely eliminated from existence felt like the "cycle of reincarnation" simply consumed the concept and removed it from the cycle.
Edit: This is also the reason I believe that Angel hears the roar of the Chainsaw's Engine when they go to Earth or back to Hell.
maybe pochita is like the identity devil like for the fear of not knowing yourself or your identity being taken. This also ties into the fear of being forgotten.
I really hope people see this because this makes a lot of sense to me
Pochita might actually be death, or the fear of dying. He probably had changes throughout the centuries. He most likely used to be whatever the most feared weapon was at the time like a scythe or guillotine.
He's a chainsaw today because that's what cartels and scary movies use to kill people in brutal ways.
Huh, to me, Pochita is the Isolation devil. He doesn't really erase devil's, he isolates them into another pocket dimension that makes people forget about the devils he eats. The hint I see is that Pochita states his dream is physical contact, a hug.
I think the darkness devil wasn’t there to kill control, he would probably cripple them in the dark while slowly consuming them to amass more power through fear, and he wasn’t aware that control had a way to escape hell.
Pochita is such a good doggo! ;) I just realised that Makima makes contracts with several devils, as the conquest devil herself, including the angel devil to use his power, against the gun devil for example, and i also remember her making a contract with the curse devil as well, so it's not necessarily true, that devil's can't make contracts as the four horseman can at least. Pochita would be the Amnesia devil then.
how does chainsaws connect to amnesia?
@@Thats.just.great. oldschool lobotomy?
Quite a stretch though
@@revimfadli4666 u did those with chainsaws? ;-;
She didn't make contracts with any devils, she forced them to use their abilities with her powers. She made a contract with Aki, though.
I think that the fear of the unknown would fit more pochita, that would explain why he can erase other devils by eating them, he takes them to oblivion, makes them part of that which is "Unknown"
Very interesting. I honestly think that could definitely play into chainsaws always being unpredictable in nature as well. I'm going with this theory.
Nah. The darkness devil is already embodies the “fear of unknown”
Make a ranking of every bankai please dude
i like the theory of pochita being the “forgotten devil” the most personally.
I will call it now, the chainsaw looking devil that eats yoku in part 2 is the actual chainsaw devil, and this reveal will kick off the unravelling of pochita
2 things: spoilers like the man said!
Firstly, I actually quite like the idea of pochita Consumption or Destruction devil because it doesn’t have be literal consumption either, considering one of the major themes in the manga and show is how having dark dreams like controlling everything or killing the gun devil can be just as destructive. Likewise it goes back to the original roots (lol) of the chainsaw with forests being consumed by industry, and lumberjacks being consumed by their company during dangerous work. The second thing being relevant to the devil hunter work being a hard job that slowly takes it’s toll on the hunters “consuming” them. I’m trying to think of a way it ties into Pochita’s worries about how he mostly just wants hugs, but is too strong, but I’m not quite there, maybe he is afraid of losing control and consuming those he likes by accident, which is also why he purposely weakens himself? Just a thought, nothing concrete there as if yet.
Secondly, more evidence for “he isn’t what he seems” is that Pochita is very rarely referred to AS the chainsaw devil, especially by other devils (iirc a few civilians refer to denji/Pochita as some sort of Chainsaw Devil). To most he is known as Chainsaw man, to his admirers he is sometimes Lord Chainsaw, and to those who don’t like him they usually just call him “chainsaw”. This is particularly unusual because other devils tend to say it like “bring me the heart of Chainsaw”, and I don’t recall Makima, his biggest fan, calling him The chainsaw Devil ONCE, but maybe I just need to reread the manga lol.
A devil and a devil can make a contract,if you remember Makima made a contract with the darkness Devil to escape hell with Denji and friends.
Nope bro, she commanded the perfect doll laying on the ground to make a contract with the hell devil, reversing the contract Santa Claus made previously.
@@EleKartoffel went back and re-read, might have forgotten thanks for the reminder 😅
Pochita is the fear devil. The fear of fear, which is rather accurately (in a relatively abstract manner) portrayed by possibly the most fear inducing weapon out there: CHAINSAWS.
No nukes objectively generate more fear, and so do guns. Doesn't make sense that Pochita can beat the nuclear devil, because that devil should be as powerful as a devil gets.
Pochita is the “Unknown” devil
The quote from H.P. Lovecraft is as follows “ The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.” The reason we fear death is because we don’t know what comes next.
He's the loud noises devil! It's a primal fear and chainsaws make the scariest noise on a primal level.
That isn't the reason. In the control devil arc makima makes the "chainsaw man" a hero in the eyes of the public and that definitely weakened pochita in that fight.
Something else makima says, is that devils also contribute to this "fear meter", hence why pochita is strong. It's not that humans fear it. Devils do...
The question why is actually something to do with fujimoto's inspiration for the manga.
When chainsaws were invented they served the purpose to "help" in complicated births. The first thing children would hear is the sound of a chainsaw.
Angel also tells aki that when devils die in hell and are rebirth in earth they all remember the sound of the chainsaw Rev.
I guess that after enough cycles of rebirth happened devils started unconsciously fearing it.
Wtf? Wtf?!? Wtf?!?!? No wonder there was a fear of chainsaws!!! I had to look up what you could have possibly meant by chainsaws were used in difficult childbirths… why? How could they cut into the pelvis during active childbirth? I cannot comprehend anything about this procedure or how anyone thought it up, but thanks for totally unraveling my sense of reality.
@@lucindaflink3302 there’s an innumerable amount of nonsensical and gross stuff humans have done with their own bodies because of lack of knowledge, even just a hundred years ago, the past is scary
While watching this video I realized something. Makima nor any of the horsemen or any devil of that matter has ever referred to pochita or denji as the chainsaw devil he's simply "chainsaw man". We as the fans, assume chainsaw man as the chainsaw devil because obviously the name and the looks but we're not fully sure what type of devil pochita is or anything of that matter. we just know him as the hero of hell, and whatever is eaten is forgotten.
There is a theory that pochita is the chainsaw man devil, the theory says that there was a devil hunter that used a chainsaw and was strong.
This would explain both the chainsaws and the erasure ability since devils would rumor that when you're killed by the chainsaw devil hunter you're forgotten.
For me this is the best theory
@@ricardoortega1139 that’s not a theory it’s in the manga
the only person who has ever referred to pochita as the chainsaw devil was kishibe. once. and makima only referred to him ever as chainsaw man. so did everyone else. either that or "chainsaw"
@oculism that's what I mean only a human did devils don't refer to him as that just like my first comment. kishibe kinda represents the audience, too, especially when makima was explaining what chainsaw man is and what he's capable of by erasing devils well known tragedies in the world along with fake ones. Probably why he thinks chainsaw man is the chainsaw devil like we did.
That's not true, the Eternity Devil, believing that Denji is Poochita, refers to him as "Chainsaw" and references how it's gotten weaker.
You said death, but I think based on pochita's erasure ability. Pochita is actually the Oblivion devil, the fear of nothingness
Great suggestions, but then wouldn't it be more reasonable if Pochita took on the appearance and abilities that would embody this name? Like literally creating black holes by pointing where he wants one? And not just being a large faceless silhouette, when compared to a cute little orange dog that manifests chainsaws.
I think pochita may be the forgotten devil.
Which is why when he eat/kills other devils there forgotten. If this is the case him wanting to make friends and overall be desperate to make connection would not only explain why he is so dead set on being a hero but also why he is so weak.
If everyone knows about you, you'll never be forgotten
I like the theory that he is the nothingness devil. A primal fear. Fits much better that what he eats no longer exists and that they can stay inside that nothing and be pulled back out
I think pochita is the devouring devil, I just think that'd be cool also because all denji cares about are his three square meals a day (and melons) ,and it'd be another good reason for him and denji to get along so well.
He's also obsessed with boobs (lol, melons), the first source of food for humans.
I would say he is horror devil. Chainsaws from classic horrors movies and how he can absorb other fears, and you forget they are real becouse it is just a movie, but still people are afraid of horrors.
So pochita is the living vore demon?
The manga literally says Pochita is the Chainsaw Devil but in a cuter form since nobody would approach him because of the fear he caused in hell
But why, why the chainsaw devil could beat the living hell of 4 horsemen devil
Saying Pochita is the Vore Devil is definitely a take I wasn't expecting
who’d be scared of that
@@lmpuration me
Imagine pochita is the “life devil” people are subconsciously scared of life itself. Scared they won’t get the most out of it, scared it won’t go the way they want. Ever since the first person, life has overwhelmed all at least once.
I like your top fear, I was leaning more towards the fear of forgotten. Mostly because, I could tie in chainsaw to it. Think of all the trees and forest that we will never know of due to chainsaws. Eventually I think a "fire devil" would show up.
Also something came to mind as well, for the primal devils. They are something that can be feared by animals as well. Looking forward to the explanation.
I'm also thinking it's the fear of being forgotten. What devil, once created, wants to be forgotten and hence erased from existence? Pochita actively wants Denji to NOT REMEMBER his past. Additionally, perhaps that's the reason why everything about Chainsaw Man is so loud. To ensure that he's remembered forever, to the possible detriment of all others.
Fear of being eaten makes a lot of sense to me when you start to factor in that one of the main characteristics of chainsaws is that they have lots of teeth
This feels like a really bad pun even if you didn’t intend
I agree with you 🤝, +the fear of being forgotten just doesn't make sense to me :/ just because animals reproduce doesn't mean they are afraid of being forgotten they are just mating ... Looking too deeply into things doesn't make them make anymore sense than BS , specially in this case i visibly cringed lol, I don't know a single person afraid of being forgotten ... I doubt there are any to begin with
@@hazaubel6532 I am afraid of being forgotten. I don't want my life to mean absolutely nothing, and I feel like a lot of people can relate. Or why do you think there's people who want to be extraordinary? Why do philosophers or monks, after knowing we will all die either way, put so much effort into their lives? They do not want to be forgotten
@@Orangecatenergy the majority of people just want a comfortable life mentally and financially, they could careless about being remembered in all honesty , people want to get kids because they don't want to be alone or because they just want to get laid it's not like everyone is a multi billionaire who wants to preserve their legacy lol
People want to be extraordinary because they are desperate for attention not because they want to be remembered, you think celebrities are trying to rewrite history or something? Obv no they are just living their life becoming unforgettable is just a side effect ,
Speaking of being remembered betcha can't even remember the inventor of the first airplane .... See! People gotta search their names to remember them ... They have been forgotten in a way
I have a feeling Pochita might be the Hero Devil(fear of heroes), Pochita anwsers calls for help and defeats the enemy or "villain". It seems that it picks and chooses which Devils he eats instead of simply killing. The only devils Makima mentioned Pochita eating are devils that are somehow bad for Humanity as a whole(The only devil that's not obviosly bad is 6th sense, but it probably was). The abbility to erease devils seems valid, permenantly defeating evil and rewriting every tragedy it brought like a Hero would. Plus it would be reasounably feared by humans, Imagine if a hero appeared on enemy side.
With the “fear of being forgotten” theory I think the theory of “fear of forgetting” would be much more powerful. Because at the end of the day we only care about ourselves, and death brings the possibility of forgetting everything you’ve ever known. Which is fuckin scary
my thinking is : chainsaws are less or not enough feared when its off. its when the VROOM VROOM starts everyone realises they are in trouble and that Fear fuels Chainsawman to be become stronger.
I was actually thinking the loud noise devil from the start of this video. Cool to see you said it at the end. If you start a chainsaw up. Ppl will get scared. Only if you are in a designated area where chainsaws are normally used. However I’m not sure that would boater his offense and what not. Chainsaw is still strong and ppl love at this point in the manga. Todays stories really like that “it looks like this but it’s not what you thought” plot twist
Lol same
You should do Kobeni's devil. I personally think it's the karma devil.
Or the death devil
She won’t die unwillingly for the cost of her life is so bad that dying is just better
I think it’s a puppet devil. It always saves her life or get her out of situations
@@yorriamo Santa Claus ?
Yes I've always wondered why she was so secretive about her contract I would imagine it would be at the request of the devil. I have seen Monkey and Luck or Bad luck come up a lot but I have no clue
@@yorriamo Could it be the Control Devil like Makima takes over that would explain why she asks to keep it secret and why she showed up to save Denji at the same time as Makima was attacking.
I feel like it being the separation devil, with the primal fear of being separated, makes a lot of sense, since it’s separation it’s just as strong if not stronger than the darkness devil, and since all chainsaws do is separate it should be able to just use them and go by that monicker so it can live a separate life, that is until it met someone it didn’t want to be separated from
Fear of being eaten makes since because that’s def a primal fear and has existed even before humanity because animals fear being eaten. Makes so much sense!
“I don’t know why we haven’t seen the heights devil” *stares at Falling Devil that Nick predicted*
May be a stretch on my part, while i dont think its the fear of being cut as it doesnt completely tie in, the fear of pain would make more sense. What honestly would hurt more the being cut apart by chainsaws. We see this happen in a few of the fights. Think back to the fight with the eternity devil fight. This also explains why the longing to do things that feel good, hugs, kisses, sex, touching. You dont want to feel pain, you want to feel good. As for the whole rebirth cycle being broken, we fear pain at the moment of birth, many things cause pain, physical and emotional. The only way to stop the fear of ever experiencing pain is to never be born. This is higher then the darkness devil, as we learn to fear the dark when bad things happen to use in the dark, but we spend 9 months in the womb where it is nothing but darkness, but the sensation of pain is still very much there in the developmental process, if we're aware of it or not. Generally speaking, the experience of pain is not enjoyable at any point if we know its pain we're feeling or not.
Pochita is the primal fear of being forgotten
I believe Pochita is the "Dream" Devil.
Pochita talks about dreams a lot in the same way the Future Devil talks about the Future. In huge scenes including when Denji first gets revived and when Pochita talks about Makima's motivation, Pochita only cares about Denji's and Makima's dreams. The idea that a chainsaw devil eating you erases the concept of the thing it eats makes no real sense. If a chainsaw tore up a house the concept of houses would still exist... but if a "Dream" Devil ate someone and hypothetically turned the concept of them into a dream, then that would be a more plausible reason to say they were erased from reality. Even Makima who is the Control Devil mentions she only vaguely remembers the things CSM eats... and that vague memory seems a lot like the description of a "dream" to me.
Nice theory, but I don't see how this ties into most topics discussed in the vid. If Pochita were the Dream Devil, I doubt Pochita would at least be a Primal Fear, the name Dream Devil wouldn't strike much fear into the general population or even make other Devils fear him. Because these other Devils have their own dreams/goals they want to achieve. (E.g. The Bat Devil and Leach Devil in the Anime).
I also can't see the correlation between Pochita's manifestation of Chainsaws with the concepts of Dreams. Unlike how the Darkness Devil can summon weapons that relate to being ambushed from the dark (as mentioned in the video).
@wow.1424 I literally don't fear nightmares, though. In my dreams, the monsters are usually afraid of me. You say you can't not fear nightmares because then they aren't nightmares, but that's exactly *why* I'm not afraid of them. For me personally, there's literally no such thing. I'm only afraid of things I'm pretty sure can really happen to me, so the only things I fear about sleeping are the things that can happen in the real world while I'm defenseless and unaware. I'm sometimes afraid of falling asleep, but it's not because of what dreams I might have. Some people genuinely never have nightmares, believe it or not. A cursory google search says an estimated 50-85% of people have nightmares. That means 15-50% of people don't. That's a lot of people even on the low end, about 1.2 billion if it holds globally. (Granted never having a single nightmare is probably a lot more rare though.)
I'm not discounting the nightmare devil idea, I'm just saying the fear of nightmares isn't as universal as you might think and it certainly isn't automatic. There are a few other fears that are probably more universal. Fear of the unknown for instance. Existential dread. The fear of pain. Even the fear of *being* afraid.
11:38 thank you for putting in my brain the mental image of the Darkness Devil Just holding a gun
You’d think there’d be a disease devil, which is distinctly different than the fear of death. Humanity as a whole generally has a fear of dying a horribly slow, and painful death through sickness.
If Pochita is the fear of being consumed, then denji needing to constantly consume blood makes a lot of sense.
it makes sense regardless because he always loses a lot of blood
???
hybrids, fiends, and devils can consume blood to heal and this has been reinforced from the beginning of the series
@@poopman6944
Give them time. It's probably hard for them to process information that they watch. I hope they try to turn on their brain next time they watch tho.
I kinda feel like Pochita is like the Gore devil or Love devil. Either one can fit with the whole "Erasure" concept. Love can erase things, and with gore your mind may just want to forget it to protect you.
Edit - 15:50 makes sense. One of the scenes with the eternity devil kinda make him seem like a "ravaged beast" thats just feeding to out survive the one being feed on.
Pochita being the consumption devil would go against his dream of being able to hug someone, however my theory is that instead of being the consumption devil he is one of the most scary devils in existence, something more than darkness and even death itself. Pochita is probably the lonely devil... because based on his dream he wanted to be hugged by someone.
i think its counted by darkness, are you not lonely in the dark? but its a good theory man goodstuff
Extinction Devil
Makes sense, not just that personality notion but also the fact that loneliness would be a primal fear. Primal humans were stronger in groups and wanted to stay with others for survival, and thus would be afraid of being alone. And I'm sure even modern chainsaw man world this would fit considering with the fact that devils exist would cause humans to fear the thought of someone close to them dieing, which would make them feel alone and making them feel alone in the proccess.
Darkness devil has never been killed and exists in hell therefore chainsaw devil would of had of died to exist on earth so I don’t think he is stronger than the darkness devil.
@@boomsaway3 I agree but it's still fun to theorize
I think forgotten or extinction seem to make sense in a way. And going off of denji he was basically forgotten until he joined the association but extinction due to his ability to basically make anything extinct
Bruh, you got it right, this was a PERFECT theory video, I don't think anyone can add anything else to this, we just gotta wait
In response about the theory of Pochita having a contract with a devil, the manga and anime both say a devil cannot contract with another devil. It was during the eternity devil fight, when Power said she would kill Denji and give the Eternity Devil his heart. Himeno confirmed if Power did it, the devil could just leave them trapped there.
The intestines as a scarf is the biggest hint that he’s the devil of consumption. The fear of being consumed alive.
Think about it chainsaw man's 1st choice of a weapon was an ax and throughout the show he used to axes and throughout the manga too and chainsaws cut down trees it's the fear of being cut down like a tree. I honestly still fall into the fear being forgotten fear of being cut down.
The part where Denji has the introspective moment about not being able to cry or not feeling sad about those that died. I think that has a tie into pochita. The lack of pain/emotional suffering leads me to think pain would be a primal devil that would beat out darkness and all other devils. All devils are spun from devices or concepts that create fear and even fear could be considered mental pain.
I guess we could even say pochita is the fear devil and how denji never seems to be afraid.
I think an interesting idea would be that he is the void/isolation devil. Being separated from your tribe or perhaps species is a fear to begin with thinking you’re the only one left and in complete isolation. So maybe once consumed, you are in an empty space or void where you will be alone for eternity and soon to be forgotten. I also like to think that even devils have fears and that their ultimate fear is the cycle of reincarnation to end
The unknown devil. Even wild animals fear the unknown so that would explain why he’s so powerful as well as why he can erase devils thus making them “unknown”
Pochita is the Pochita Devil, and represents the fear of Pochita.
Oblivion. The fear of death sometimes includes afterlife. The fear of the void. Nothingness.
The consumption devil theory makes sense. He also showed up in the form of a dog so that adds to it for me
What if pochita isn't the forgetting devil, but the erasure/entropy devil?
It would make similar sense in that he literally erases the concept and devil from existence, and one massive fear for both humans and possibly immortal beings like devil's is the idea of straight up ceasing to exist, to literally become nothing (less scary if you believe in an afterlife of any kind, but still an absolutely terrifying thought)
Pochita could be a chain devil because chains sometimes symbolize things like slavery and people would really be scared of losing their freedom. there are some things that back it up, and the one of them being how Denji uses his chains as whips as how slave masters will whip their slaves. Another thing is that when people think of chains, they probably think of someone without freedom. Also, chains are associated with chainsaws, sometimes.
I think that Pochita is the "cutting" devil. He manifests chainsaws to cut others, and he can cut off other devils from reality by isolating them in his stomach. Not just that, but cutting directly results in pain, which is something both humans and devils can have a primal fear towards.
Is abandoned a better dub for “the fear of being forgotten” is just a mouth full
damn dude i just found the channel, love how in depth you are and how you extrapolate everything
In terms of explaining informative and/or complex ideas, you are second to none Nick! Always enjoy your videos, thanks a ton :)
Might sound weird but my theory is that pochita is the unknown* devil and thus devouring devil's makes them become a part of him/nutrients and thus makes them join the unknown
*That from which all fear originates is the unknown
I think Pochita is strong because a Devil's power comes from the fear of devil's and people.And canonically Pochita is the most feared Devil by the Devil's
I do agree with the idea of Pochita being the consumption devil, but as more of a broader concept, like environmental consumption, thus the saws
My thought is Pochita is the devil of pain. It’s primal, all humans fear pain. It also explains the chainsaws as those things hurt. Also in the encounter with the infinity demon he makes him feel enough pain to commit suicide
Honestly, the reason I think Chainsaw Devil is SO strong is because of the fear it instilled in Devils. I think it’s possible that Pochita’s power level started at what you would expect but, as it began killing more and more devils, the devils began to fear it causing it to gain more and more power against them. The chainsaw devil is referenced as “The Devil that Devils fear most” so it would make the most sense to me.
I think Pochita being the consumption devil makes mad sense
That being said, given enough thought, this makes you realize pochita is broken af😂