Joy Division - Ceremony - 1980.05.02 (Pitch corrected)
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2017
- 1980.05.02, High Hall, Birmingham University (supported by A Certain Ratio), the band's final performance.
There are five known versions of this song:*
-The soundboard recording released on Still, missing about the first two minutes or so.
-A rehearse tape from early 1980
-A recording of the soundcheck, taped by an audience member from the other side of the building (thus being really poor quality, although it is a great performance).
-The same guy also recorded the actual gig, but that version also misses the beginning of the song
-And finally this (full) version, taped by another audience member.
The original tape have probably been damaged over time (or was crap to begin with), so I altered the pitch to match the original tuning.
*source: joydiv.org/c020580.htm
![Joy Division Live at Birmingham University- Ceremony [Gig Version] May 2, 1980](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GIQ7z3tzOng/mqdefault.jpg)
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I was at this gig. I also have a low generation (2nd or 3rd) tape of it. This is the same pitch that my tape is. The tape creasing sound in the early part of the song is there as well. A few comments on the song. Ian often worked on lyrics in rehearsals and also changed them from early live versions (Atmosphere is a good example of this). He finally settled on the lyrics when the song was recorded in the studio. At that point he then filed the lyric sheet with all the corrections. These are the ones that are in the book So This Is Permanence. Debbie has all of the known lyric sheets. Because Ian hadn’t finished working on the lyrics when he died, he hadn’t filed the lyric sheet and nobody knows where it went. It may of course have been destroyed. In a lonely place which was never performed live also went through a number of changes of lyrics. There are quite a few recordings of the rehearsals of this from it’s early incarnation recorded in April 1980 (called walking away from the stars) though to the final recordings 4 days before he died. When ceremony was performed at Birmingham it had no title (it is listed on the set list as “new one”. When New Order recorded it in September 1980 in New York they were using the same instruments that were used in Joy Division. The following night all,of their gear was stolen and never recovered. So instrumentally this is what the song would have sounded like had Ian lived. Vocally all would have been different of course.
Oh wow you had the chance to attend that gig, I'm so jealous! You still have that tape, are the lyrics audible and decodable in any way though?
mike romano it’s mentioned in lots of interviews and peter hook talks about it in his new order book. It’s a great book btw.
@@daviddockery8962 what book exactly do you mean? I just ordered one of his books.
@@bombakdik he has three books. One about joy division, one about new order, and one about the hacienda club. I’ve read the joy division and new order ones but not the hacienda one. They’re all good books.
They did recover the instruments, i read somewhere that the police found it in a van
40 years ago today. 2 May 1980, 2 May 2020. We miss you Ian and we always will do.
Ian was like a butterfly,here but for short time,but brought great pleasure!
Todo many short time!☹️. Greta Ian (Barcelona, Catalonia)
This song has to be haunted or something. I mean, think about it. In every recorded version of it (by Joy Division) the first verse and the first chorus are always inaudible, their contents still a mystery to this day. New Order's version is undoubtedly different to the one Ian Curtis originally wrote. It is very sad that there may never be a clean version of this song, ever.
Haunted is the absolute definition of Joy Division. Like no other band before them or since, their music is almost like some kind of seance, where a glimpse of 'the other side' starts to break through, but not quite enough to pull it clearly into focus. It's like when you stare up at the stars on a clear night and try to look at the really distant ones; you can only see them when you look slightly away from them. That's the way I feel about Joy Division, they were like a comet that passed by briefly, you only had that one moment to see it and it won't ever be repeated in our lifetime. Their mystery won't ever be explained away or digitised, they'll stand for all eternity as an anomaly in music that can't ever be grasped.
Peter Hook admitted after Curtis committed suicide that the other band members had no real idea of the depth of his inner turmoil and in fact paid very little attention to his lyrics. They focused on the music. The New Order version seems way off in the critical final verse. Sumner makes it into a (semi) optimistic song. It seems to be the opposite. Curtis' versions seem to be about eternal longing and loss and inadequacy. In any case, I agree, the song is haunted. It doesn't want to give up its secrets. My view: with the gorgeous guitar riffs, Morris' unique drumming, and Curtis' voice and sadness, it is unsurpassed, even if we don't have a final version. Maybe because we don't.
@@politicalriff4412 Yeah, the original version of the song that you hear in the clearer version of the live song. You hear him say "Picture me, in ten years time, watching."
@@HaloAdmiral "Picture me, it's then you start watching."
“Pictures me, in ten years’ time - watching’. NO changed the lyrics into a suicide note, though Stephen Morris sings these lyrics on the Western Works demo, so NO had these lyrics but changed them. ‘Absent years, these sinking ships’ is another line you can pick up.
An incredible band
Way better then queen
@@tacomantony8422 Everyone is way better than queen
thats over 40years ago and its still the most graceful and honest sounding band
If I only had a timemachine... Would be great to see and hear my favourite song of all time performed live with vocals by Ian Curtis. The two times I attended a New Order concert they didn't play the song
Indeed. It has my dream for over thirty years.
It's very beautiful, but it's also painfully sad knowing the history and what was to follow. It sounds like he is crying, I've never heard his voice sound like that. Sucks that he couldn't get help. This world can be very cruel
Actually brings tears in my eyes !... RIP forever Ian !...
God bless Ian 2022
I just love this song.
My cousin also recorded the gig, with full version of Ceremony, although the quality is terrible.
Ceremony Lyrics
[Verse 1]
This is why events unnerve me
They find it all, a different story
Notice whom for wheels are turning
Turn again and turn towards this time
All she ask's the strength to hold me
Then again the same old story
Word will travel, oh so quickly
Travel first and lean towards this time
[Verse 2]
Oh, I'll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
Watching her, these things she said
The times she cried
Too frail to wake this time
[Verse 3]
Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
Avenues all lined with trees
Picture me and then you start watching
Watching forever
[Outro]
Forever, watching love grow
Forever, letting me know
Forever
Watch "Joy Division Ceremony LIVE at Birmingham Hall Uni" on RUclips
ruclips.net/video/j55EO1rIlD4/видео.html
Its amazing how a recording through the desk with sound production is so different to this recording (Still)
43 years ago today
Una joya de los 80s................ saludos de Perú.....
Love raw stuff. Especially by JD. Thxu
Favorite of all the j. D or new order songs.
Someone somewhere has a good quality recording sitting in a box in storage and doesn't know about it.
The mic was turned off on stage or on the mixing desk of the PA throughout the song, until we hear Ian’s voice. So unless someone with a second mic stood a few centimetres away from Ian on stage, we will never hear the entire performance including Ian’s. oice. Apart from the rehearsal tapes.
3:18 is just about the only recording of ian singing ceremony you can still hear
Recording I found of ceremony with Ian singing the entire song ruclips.net/video/w7t6qwY-mDI/видео.html
@@offbeatmaniac400 He sings the whole song on this video, its just that the recording is even worse on this one. Apart from that one verse. This version is the live version at Birmingham uni (the last Joy Division gig) and the version linked there is the rehearsal they did before preforming hence the worse recording. Still cool though, just a shame that we can't hear Ian sing properly on either version. Unfortunately ceremony as Ian intended it is probably lost forever, as theres no recorded lyrics, and its doubtful that Debbie has any in her position due to the fact that in her book touching from a distance she just uses the new order lyrics. As well as the fact that joy division never recorded this officially outside of these two versions. Unless some random fan was there when they practiced another time and recorded the whole thing then its unfortunately lost.
You can really hear how U2 lifted Ceremony for Where the Streets Have No Name.
I’ve only just realised how much U2 ripped Joy Division off.
I reckon Tears for Fears “Suffer the Children” may well have been influenced by Ceremony- admittedly though, its just two chords (F to C), but what a great implementation of them!
I have read on a thread that Peter Hook's bassline is similar to Roxy Music's 'Virginia Plain,' which I agree with. So, maybe U2 lifted off VP?!? lol
Joy Division always had a great energy live which made up for the poor sound quality. As much as I loved New Order, watching them live was a torture - especially so, since I often took new gfs - not helped by their apparent disdain for the audience (turning up late, not engaging with the audience, no encores).
They had to change their name. Props to them for that, but it's a different band.
I am surprised to hear that. Of all the bands I saw live the two best sounding bar none were New Order and Metallica.
What load of bullshit!
Fucking Awesome
my favorite live recording of them
" Balance is found in the one who faces his guilt" - Brick Friday (365 BCE - 2112 CE).
You are very clever
Two and half weeks later his voice was silenced
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Does anyone know the generation of this tape? Has the master ever been transferred?
Quality aside, the song sounds best performed this night - faster ftw.
I have a better recording on vinyl of the rehearsal.
1980 declaration of human rites
:(
Why Ian why……..
Gonna need some citations for the two versions that you listed.
Nicht nice cave ist der dunkle Prinz.... ian ist es er war es immer!
This sound is felt each time we get our mind's oil changed at the local Elon Musk Best Buy brain chip geek squad kiosk.
No need to believe, only observe. Future men, let's go! rebel * repel * live life naked.
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