This is truly one of the most haunting songs I have ever heard. The lofi vocals, the eerie instrumentation, and the knowledge that this was all recorded only four days before Ian's suicide. It almost feels like I'm listening to something I shouldn't.
Those last few lines are especially haunting, given that fact. In my opinion, this has to be Joy Division’s darkest song… yet, it’s kinda beautiful in an ethereal way, it sounds very otherworldly. Ian was masterful at weaving together songs that carried full emotion in them. RIP Ian Curtis.
I can only imagine the emotional state Curtis must have been in during that session. That sure helped give the song that dark atmosphere, because Ian's voice sounds tired or longing for a calm place.
@@davidtalbertjr.6824 C'mon dude. Fuck off with that bull shit, production value doesnt make a song better. And a cover is 9 times out of ten never better than the original. That's a simple fact, this is how the song was supposed to be. Altering original art work doesnt make it better.
The final Joy Division session. This was recorded four days before Ian Curtis commited suicide. "Ceremony" and "In a lonely place" were their last songs.
Think this was recorded like 4 days before he did it. Honestly his lyrics progressively got darker and darker. In this song especially. He mentions hanging. Really sad that it was right there but they didn't realize.
As someone who was previously extremely suicidal (recovering from depressive psychosis), I can understand these lyrics from my point of view 100%, especially because I was in the same place. These are the ones that I can feel. I didnt do all of them, just the most important. "How I wish you were here with me now" - A constant thought when thinking/planning suicide. Life is terrible, but there are few people who would be missed dearly. I'd wish there was a way for me to not live, yet not sadden and lose the people I love. Could also be interpreted as him having empathy towards people who aren't dead, because to people who are suicidal, youre better off dead. "Body that curls in and dies" - Suicidal fantasy. When I was very down, I would fantasize about death and how it looks. It would calm me knowing that it would happen soon. "Hardship that often belies" - Description of life with depression. "Warm like a dog round your feet" - Comforting things in life, or the positive things. Things that will be missed. "Hangman looks round as he waits" - As well as it being a grim description, it also symbolizes waiting for the day that is planned as the "suicide day". "Cord stretches tight then it breaks" - Another descriptive that could either mean how eventually someone snaps and commits suicide, or is just a description of how he will hang himself in the coming days. "Someday we will die in your dreams" - This could be interpreted as how suicidal people feel as if they will be forgotten by loved ones. "How I wish we were here with you now" - Something that friends, relatives, etc may say when they realize that they weren't there for you. This is actually something talked a lot about by suicidal people. Ian's quote is a fancy way of saying "you'll be sorry" or "you should have payed attention to me before it was too late". Its ironic because people only care and are regretful after its too late.
Is it? I don't know if there's something wrong with me, but I don't find this song petrifying (and all the other epithets) at all. I mean, we're all different, and so our perceptions are; for me the song sounds hypnotizing, puts into a trance in a sense. And somehow so much light in it... which seems irrational, cause he killed himself shortly after, but still. (OR - maybe! - I'm just depressed THAT much, lol.)
Of all the artists that've tried to encapsulate depression into a song, Joy Division blows all of them away. God that bass is absolutely crushing. Rest in peace Ian.
There are hundreds of artists who have encapsulated it better than Joy Division. This was just one of the more in your face ones with the general tone. You can hear that he’s defeated vocally and the instrumental accompanies it well
I mean its all subjective but this song (or anything from joy division) doesn't even come close to something like alice in chains unplugged performance or some of trent reznor's work in nine inch nails in terms of encapsulating depression into a song.
Caressing the marble and stone Love that was special for one The waste in the fever and heat How I wish you were here with me now Body that curls in and dies Hardship that often belies Warm like a dog round your feet How I wish you were here with me now Hangman looks round as he waits Cord stretches tight then it breaks Someday we will die in your dreams How I wish we were here with you now
To me it doesn't sound like he sings "hangman" in the last verse, but I can't figure out what word he uses. Anyone with an interpretation? Also, I think he sings "worn like a dog" instead of "warm like a dog".
Possibly the saddest song ever...Amazing that such despair has been preserved in the form of this song and recording. That is the beauty of art, but the tragedy of artists.
I was born April 28 1980. He died a week or 2 after I was born. When I listen to his music. I understood a lot where he was coming from. Depression kills. He expressed how he felt through his lyrics and poem. That was the only way for him. His band his widow. His mistress. Never understood him. Cause he kept his emotions locked deep down inside him. Made his mind fill with fury. There was one lyric I remember he said I think it was from the eternal. The present has ended. The past becomes the future. He is gone but what he did will go on forever. He wanted to sing but the pressure of it all he couldn't deal with. The responsibility of being a singer took a tol on him. He out grew his widow. He didn't like being married and a child. He felt trapped and isolated. He hid a lot and lied a lot. But annick said in her interview that her and Ian's relationship was platonic. His widow Debbie thinks otherwise. So I don't know what's true on that. Just here say. And control was a great movie.
Hi Lisha, I was lucky enough to witness them. And am rereading your comment for the Xth time. It exactly describes as I always imagined he must have felt. Thanks for that
Wow he actually talks about the hangman waiting and then the cord snaps shit I can’t go on. I really love Joy Division so much. I wish he was here with us now.
This is very powerfull. The drums are nice and consistent like a heartbeat through the hole song and at the end the song "dies", the drums become irregular and then stop just like when a real person is dieing..... It is a really sad song, particularry knowing Ian Curtis killed himself a couple of days later.
Another exceptionally important detail in the history of the greatest band of all time: this is one of the first recordings where Hooky is playing the Shergold Marathon 6.
BOOT MAN Not sure about being the best The Cure and Depeche Mode are up there with them. But one thing is for sure they all have in common lots of music was done copied off them.
3:27 the guitars are the key to the vocals of this song by Ian, RIP DEAR SWEET MAN WHO gave us the best songs in Joy Division, songs I played over and over as a youngster and today.
Despite the fact that this song has some of the creepiest vocals I've heard and the haunting music and the fact this was recorded 4 days before Ian Curtis' suicide (of which he voiced this song), I still actually like listening to this. Curtis, even in your death, you created something that I find myself listening to normally.
Thanks Tuv. If it weren’t for him, I probably would’ve never knew this existed. It really does give off an eerie feel due to the background of this song and the fact it was written just 4 days before Ian took his life
My brother and I have discussed Ian Curtis’ life and achievements, especially the Closer album which I can no longer listen to anymore. That album as well as this final song is a testament not only to the mastery of his own lyrics but, probably most sobering, when I hear this, I am listening to a man perform his own epitaph.
Ian Curtis's voice sounds resigned, but I don't feel that the lyrics of this song sound "depressive", it is rather, at least in my opinion, an affirmation of something that is going to happen, like a Threshold before death. The darker it all gets when you know that Curtis wrote this song two weeks before he killed himself, and this session was done just four days before that. The atmosphere they have achieved with this song is fascinating, Joy Division is a great example of how dark songs are composed.
Too true. Could you imagine seeing him play live nowadays? His voice would be every inch as rich with emotion now as it was then, it’d be absolutely incredible.
+ I grew up listening to JD in the '80s and ended up in East Surrey hospital a few weeks ago, after my first overdose attempt, but I am still here for now... IN A LONELY PLACE Lyrics by Ian Curtis 🖤 (15 July 1956 - 18 May 1980) Caressing the marble and stone, Love that was special for one, The waste in the fever I heat, How I wish you were here with me now. Body that curls in and dies, And shares that awful daylight, Warm like a dog round your feet, How I wish you were here with me now. Hangman looks round as he waits, Cord stretches tight then it breaks, Someday we will die in your dreams, How I wish we were here with you now.
This song always reminded me of The Doors, even though The Doors never quite reached this point. Dead Can Dance whom I love have this sound in songs like In Power We Entrust the Love Advocated. New Order's version and Movement are some of my favorite music.
Is it possible that Ian might have struggled with identity issues? I’ve loved JD since I was 13, and I recently read Deborah’s book. Her mentioning of Ian’s self-harm (such as hitting himself with a spiked shoe until bleeding and repeatedly ingesting large quantities of pills), was alarming. Ian’s bandmates claimed that Ian wasn’t in any emotional trouble until the months leading to his death. But Deborah said that Ian spoke about wanting to die from his early teens and had depressive symptoms before his epilepsy. Apparently he was also a huge people pleaser and a social chameleon, blending into any social environment. Deborah wrote in her book that Ian seemed very lonely, most likely due to not being authentic around others...supposedly him and his family were “close knit” but Ian was never emotionally intimate with them and never confided in them. He also mentioned to Deborah that his mother forced him to write with his right hand even though he’d been born left-handed. And in the Control movie - Ian was depicted as being extremely withdrawn, even before the epilepsy, and he reacted so oddly to comfort. Avoidant/reactive attachment maybe? Just a thought
I must tell you all something: I discovered JD when I was in secondary school in the early 80-ies, it was not so easy in Poland to listen to western music that time; I must admit, I was looking for being original, I loved these Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath things, but that was not it; one evening I read the article written by a great journalist and practically my coeval, Mr. Tomasz Beksinski (who also himself died by his own hand later on); it suited me perfectly, I was in that time reading Heidegger's and Kierkegaard's things and was thinking what is past the death. I infected lots of people with Joy Division, luckily noone comitted suicide. Now I am 54, and decided to present this masterpiece to my child when he's emotionally stable. Perhaps he found Ian's music himself, but knowing how big an impact this music has, I take caution. Condemn me, but I believe God takes care of Ian although he decided to act against God. Thanks for reading this and sorry for being so wordy.
@@maddyboombaddybaddy6532 still god expects us to stand to all those pains follow the path of life, even though god is able to recognize our pain it doesn't mean that god will forgive our acts caused by our pain
@@maddyboombaddybaddy6532 God has no thoughts, no will, no judgement; just the attribute of memory to keep the world together and to preserve the reality of past and future events (according to Spinoza).
Great song man, thanks for this, the distant quality of this recording helps a lot with the gloomy atmosphere of this song. Best version around, in my opinion.
How distant was Ian...even rest of the band was like on another planet. My god didnt they hear this lyrics? This like a mass chanting?? Only Anik knew something coming. Yea this is the most depressing, dark piece of music. Honest unfortunately
They likely knew something was way off but you can't keep your eyes on someone 24/7 ... Sadly, he had made up his mind to die young, definitely before their US tour, and couldn't be stopped.
he tried to kill himself 2 times before succeeding, so the signs were all there. They only care about him and his memory for profit I fucking hate new order
@@danijel-ch2gk I had tickets to see them in SF. Walked into Rough Trade (when it was on Grant St) that day and people were crying... It was where I heard the news.
waaw, first time i heard of this song.. and i heard of joy division 15 years ago. im 31 now. wish i would of known of them sooner. forever one of my favorite all time bands.
Being a massive fan of Joy Division & Tuv's videos, I was genuinely buzzing to see JD mentioned in Tuv's video. Of course I've already heard this, but it's still an amazing song, yet so heartbreakingly disturbing. Ian was one of the most talented writers I've ever seen/heard.
All the years I've listened to Joy Division -New Order I've never listened to Joy Divisions version of In a lonely place New orders version is pure class 🎸🎤🎹🔉
I feel like Phil Collin's in the air tonight was inspired by this song. I mean the drums, the synthesizer, the lo-fi voice recording, I see a lot of similarities there.
I would love to have access to the last converstion he shared with Gen P. Orridge - not only the conversation in itself but him singing Throbbing Gristle´s ´Weeping` over the phone to Gen .
Joy Division não é só Música! É Arte! É a essência da Vida! É ir onde poucos humanos conseguem ir! As profundezas do ser humano ! Tudo se resume a nada mas o nada se transforma em arte!
As a long time Joy Division fan... there is actually something comforting about this song. I've gone mad Edit: looking at the comments it seems as people are coming from "tuv". If you want something dark aswell just listen to Atrocity Exhibition by them.
"How I wish WE were here with you now" He was saying this to the band's members what they really should have done... This is his suicide note, no question about that.
This is truly one of the most haunting songs I have ever heard. The lofi vocals, the eerie instrumentation, and the knowledge that this was all recorded only four days before Ian's suicide. It almost feels like I'm listening to something I shouldn't.
That was the best description I could come up with in my mind. It really does feel like a forbidden track that isn’t meant to be listened to.
I personally don’t find the instrumental eerie, besides the out of place guitar, the song has a rather powerful feeling to it
almost like an audio suicide note
@@drymu9497 The guitar and drums sounds so messy at the end. Almost like he had no more strength to go on.
Why do you guys make such a big deal out of death? Every living thing dies.
The sound of this song is of a man who knows its the end of his life.
The drums increasingly sound like someone banging on a door to break in or break out at the end. I feel like he was narratorating his final hours.
It sounds like an execution to me it’s incredibly sad
The last song Ian Curtis ever sung, just 4 days before his suicide. RIP, 40 years
Those last few lines are especially haunting, given that fact. In my opinion, this has to be Joy Division’s darkest song… yet, it’s kinda beautiful in an ethereal way, it sounds very otherworldly. Ian was masterful at weaving together songs that carried full emotion in them. RIP Ian Curtis.
I can only imagine the emotional state Curtis must have been in during that session. That sure helped give the song that dark atmosphere, because Ian's voice sounds tired or longing for a calm place.
I think you might be right. And for a band that wrote The Eternal that’s quite an achievement
Big sad
The audio quality makes it sound like Ian is singing from the grave. Truly goth.
sadly you cannot sing from the grave the sound wont go through the ground.
@@pandapandsky you haven't used a big enough microphone, mate
It's not goth
This isn't even that good to be honest the cover by Bush is better
@@davidtalbertjr.6824 C'mon dude. Fuck off with that bull shit, production value doesnt make a song better. And a cover is 9 times out of ten never better than the original. That's a simple fact, this is how the song was supposed to be. Altering original art work doesnt make it better.
The final Joy Division session. This was recorded four days before Ian Curtis commited suicide. "Ceremony" and "In a lonely place" were their last songs.
Haunting, especially given the final few lines of song. Rest In Peace, Ian.
Think this was recorded like 4 days before he did it. Honestly his lyrics progressively got darker and darker. In this song especially. He mentions hanging. Really sad that it was right there but they didn't realize.
they were just kids in their early 20s. It was different times..people didn't talk about mental health problems like they do now.
Do you know when this was recorded?
SnowyParker May 14th, 1980
Fleezus Christ Damn. I think that was his very last song he sang.
if I read correctly, Ceremony was also played that day ... "it's got to be this time" ... chilling
I've never been scared of a song until now... This is chilling
As someone who was previously extremely suicidal (recovering from depressive psychosis), I can understand these lyrics from my point of view 100%, especially because I was in the same place. These are the ones that I can feel. I didnt do all of them, just the most important.
"How I wish you were here with me now" - A constant thought when thinking/planning suicide. Life is terrible, but there are few people who would be missed dearly. I'd wish there was a way for me to not live, yet not sadden and lose the people I love. Could also be interpreted as him having empathy towards people who aren't dead, because to people who are suicidal, youre better off dead.
"Body that curls in and dies" - Suicidal fantasy. When I was very down, I would fantasize about death and how it looks. It would calm me knowing that it would happen soon.
"Hardship that often belies" - Description of life with depression.
"Warm like a dog round your feet" - Comforting things in life, or the positive things. Things that will be missed.
"Hangman looks round as he waits" - As well as it being a grim description, it also symbolizes waiting for the day that is planned as the "suicide day".
"Cord stretches tight then it breaks" - Another descriptive that could either mean how eventually someone snaps and commits suicide, or is just a description of how he will hang himself in the coming days.
"Someday we will die in your dreams" - This could be interpreted as how suicidal people feel as if they will be forgotten by loved ones.
"How I wish we were here with you now" - Something that friends, relatives, etc may say when they realize that they weren't there for you. This is actually something talked a lot about by suicidal people. Ian's quote is a fancy way of saying "you'll be sorry" or "you should have payed attention to me before it was too late". Its ironic because people only care and are regretful after its too late.
I invite you to my channel... the Sanity Machine.
Art, poetry, thoughts on reality.
It sucks when the darkest, saddest, most petrifying song you've ever heard slowly becomes relatable. It sucks a lot.
Oj tak :<
Oby było lepiej
Surely that's the point
People are stupid, they believe in idiotic political promises, that's why; democracy sucks because wise men are in vast minority
Is it? I don't know if there's something wrong with me, but I don't find this song petrifying (and all the other epithets) at all. I mean, we're all different, and so our perceptions are; for me the song sounds hypnotizing, puts into a trance in a sense. And somehow so much light in it... which seems irrational, cause he killed himself shortly after, but still.
(OR - maybe! - I'm just depressed THAT much, lol.)
@@jeffstone2136 Im sure Ian never wanted anyone to feel the pain he felt
An extremely dark, moody and haunting piece of music but in my opinion one of Joy Division's best pieces of work.
Fully agreed, I love the drums in this track. Very unique
Of all the artists that've tried to encapsulate depression into a song, Joy Division blows all of them away. God that bass is absolutely crushing. Rest in peace Ian.
There are hundreds of artists who have encapsulated it better than Joy Division. This was just one of the more in your face ones with the general tone. You can hear that he’s defeated vocally and the instrumental accompanies it well
I mean its all subjective but this song (or anything from joy division) doesn't even come close to something like alice in chains unplugged performance or some of trent reznor's work in nine inch nails in terms of encapsulating depression into a song.
@@Krsto777 what? xD
@@C4DC 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢 🧢
A Poet and what a poet !!
Caressing the marble and stone
Love that was special for one
The waste in the fever and heat
How I wish you were here with me now
Body that curls in and dies
Hardship that often belies
Warm like a dog round your feet
How I wish you were here with me now
Hangman looks round as he waits
Cord stretches tight then it breaks
Someday we will die in your dreams
How I wish we were here with you now
Body that curls in and dies
_Hardship that often belies_
Last line:
How I wish _we_ were here with _you_ now
@@Jah_Rastafari_ORIG Thanks for this
To me it doesn't sound like he sings "hangman" in the last verse, but I can't figure out what word he uses. Anyone with an interpretation? Also, I think he sings "worn like a dog" instead of "warm like a dog".
@@olov8388 yeah he says "the hangman".. tragic
@@olov8388 That doesn't make much sense.
Joy Divisions final song, Ian Curtis poetic suicide note. This is haunting, disturbing, majestic and beautiful.
Greg Williams Ceremony is Joy Division's last song I think.
神 no lonely place is last song they recorded together
Greg Williams Almost all of their songs are his suicide note...
Frederick Röders This song is so chilling and haunting, it frightens me sometimes listening to it alone at night. My heart breaks for Ian always
@@pagansplace7013 AFAIK they played both songs on that day (14th may) although I've no idea which one was ultimately the last
Possibly the saddest song ever...Amazing that such despair has been preserved in the form of this song and recording. That is the beauty of art, but the tragedy of artists.
This and do re mi by Kurt cobain are both chillingly beautiful for the same reasons.
Rest in peace Ian. You’re an icon. An actual icon. You went through so much onstage and we will remember you as the icon you are.
I was born April 28 1980. He died a week or 2 after I was born. When I listen to his music. I understood a lot where he was coming from. Depression kills. He expressed how he felt through his lyrics and poem. That was the only way for him. His band his widow. His mistress. Never understood him. Cause he kept his emotions locked deep down inside him. Made his mind fill with fury. There was one lyric I remember he said I think it was from the eternal. The present has ended. The past becomes the future. He is gone but what he did will go on forever. He wanted to sing but the pressure of it all he couldn't deal with. The responsibility of being a singer took a tol on him. He out grew his widow. He didn't like being married and a child. He felt trapped and isolated. He hid a lot and lied a lot. But annick said in her interview that her and Ian's relationship was platonic. His widow Debbie thinks otherwise. So I don't know what's true on that. Just here say. And control was a great movie.
Hi Lisha, I was lucky enough to witness them. And am rereading your comment for the Xth time. It exactly describes as I always imagined he must have felt. Thanks for that
This song is emotionally devastating...
one creepy thing is that it just sounds like a funeral song, the bass and all that
Wow he actually talks about the hangman waiting and then the cord snaps shit I can’t go on. I really love Joy Division so much. I wish he was here with us now.
"I wish you were here with me now" Fucking hell Ian... god rest his soul.
This is very powerfull. The drums are nice and consistent like a heartbeat through the hole song and at the end the song "dies", the drums become irregular and then stop just like when a real person is dieing.....
It is a really sad song, particularry knowing Ian Curtis killed himself a couple of days later.
Another exceptionally important detail in the history of the greatest band of all time: this is one of the first recordings where Hooky is playing the Shergold Marathon 6.
RIP Ian... JD sent me to places in my mind that I had never visited before...
Awesome song. The best band ever, past, present, future.
BOOT MAN Not sure about being the best The Cure and Depeche Mode are up there with them. But one thing is for sure they all have in common lots of music was done copied off them.
8Dark Knight4 Depeche Mode ROFL nowhere near Joy Division! 😂😂😂
The Chameleons or The Sound are marvellous too..
UK or US?
(For the Chameleons)
@@NiCo-tb4bp UK most likely.
3:27 the guitars are the key to the vocals of this song by Ian, RIP DEAR SWEET MAN WHO gave us the best songs in Joy Division, songs I played over and over as a youngster and today.
There are no guitars in this song. That is hooky playing a Shergold Marathon 6 string bass.
This unpolished version makes Ian's voice seem to be coming from out of this world.
Despite the fact that this song has some of the creepiest vocals I've heard and the haunting music and the fact this was recorded 4 days before Ian Curtis' suicide (of which he voiced this song), I still actually like listening to this. Curtis, even in your death, you created something that I find myself listening to normally.
Thanks Tuv. If it weren’t for him, I probably would’ve never knew this existed. It really does give off an eerie feel due to the background of this song and the fact it was written just 4 days before Ian took his life
fagnormie
It sure does…
You should listen to Closer. Songs like Twenty four hours and The Eternal are one of the dareksts songs by this band
I'm here cuz of tuv aswell haha
same
My brother and I have discussed Ian Curtis’ life and achievements, especially the Closer album which I can no longer listen to anymore. That album as well as this final song is a testament not only to the mastery of his own lyrics but, probably most sobering, when I hear this, I am listening to a man perform his own epitaph.
Ian Curtis's voice sounds resigned, but I don't feel that the lyrics of this song sound "depressive", it is rather, at least in my opinion, an affirmation of something that is going to happen, like a Threshold before death. The darker it all gets when you know that Curtis wrote this song two weeks before he killed himself, and this session was done just four days before that. The atmosphere they have achieved with this song is fascinating, Joy Division is a great example of how dark songs are composed.
It was 4 days not 2 weeks.
@@awaitingheaven5629 u misread it
While this is dark, it also possesses light ...
So beyond time. Really wish he was here with us now, the voice surpasses everything I hear today.
Too true. Could you imagine seeing him play live nowadays? His voice would be every inch as rich with emotion now as it was then, it’d be absolutely incredible.
God this song sends chills across my entire body. The lofi vocals sound as if they are being obscured by the very grips of death himself
I always come back to this.
+ I grew up listening to JD in the '80s and ended up in East Surrey hospital a few weeks ago, after my first overdose attempt, but I am still here for now... IN A LONELY PLACE Lyrics by Ian Curtis 🖤
(15 July 1956 - 18 May 1980)
Caressing the marble and stone,
Love that was special for one,
The waste in the fever I heat,
How I wish you were here with me now.
Body that curls in and dies,
And shares that awful daylight,
Warm like a dog round your feet,
How I wish you were here with me now.
Hangman looks round as he waits,
Cord stretches tight then it breaks,
Someday we will die in your dreams,
How I wish we were here with you now.
Hardships that often belies
The darkest most classic JD anthem.
RIP Ian Curtis
What a great song!
RIP Ian.
I hope you have found the peace you were searching in your too short life.
Ian was already "caressing the marble and stone" in his mind, when he wrote this song.
lan will always live on through his music and legacy.
miss you Ian, wish you were here
This song always reminded me of The Doors, even though The Doors never quite reached this point.
Dead Can Dance whom I love have this sound in songs like In Power We Entrust the Love Advocated.
New Order's version and Movement are some of my favorite music.
This song also reminds me of something from The Doors
movement is a fantastic album!
I thought something was familiar about DCD's Opium
I thought the same about in power we entrust the love advocated. I love that song
I think Joy Division were pretty open about being influenced (although obviously not copying a la Greta Van Fleet) by the Doors
The darkest Song i've ever heard. This poetic Treasure is Ian's farewell to this World.
It goes deep inside my soul, crashing all my feelings... absolutely deep
recorded 42 years ago today, we miss you Ian
37 years ago. You'll always be missed
Amen. Never forgotten. Always missed.
Is it possible that Ian might have struggled with identity issues? I’ve loved JD since I was 13, and I recently read Deborah’s book. Her mentioning of Ian’s self-harm (such as hitting himself with a spiked shoe until bleeding and repeatedly ingesting large quantities of pills), was alarming. Ian’s bandmates claimed that Ian wasn’t in any emotional trouble until the months leading to his death. But Deborah said that Ian spoke about wanting to die from his early teens and had depressive symptoms before his epilepsy. Apparently he was also a huge people pleaser and a social chameleon, blending into any social environment. Deborah wrote in her book that Ian seemed very lonely, most likely due to not being authentic around others...supposedly him and his family were “close knit” but Ian was never emotionally intimate with them and never confided in them. He also mentioned to Deborah that his mother forced him to write with his right hand even though he’d been born left-handed. And in the Control movie - Ian was depicted as being extremely withdrawn, even before the epilepsy, and he reacted so oddly to comfort. Avoidant/reactive attachment maybe? Just a thought
Interesting insight…
Perhaps he had those issues....but he was still a genius. a Lyrical genius.
@@TheSanityMachine33 because of the pain~ pain makes you express a lot of emotions that really works through songs
Maybe borderline pd...
Someone the other day mentioned he could have been autistic. Maybe? High Functioning? I Know Seizures happen with some people with ASD. ??
the most crushing song i’ve ever heard
2021 and I always come back to this song, he was in a very lonely place. RIP poet genius!!
i feel like crying everytime i listen to this
'Hangman looks round as he waits
Cord stretches tight then it breaks'
fuck
very dark.. we miss you, Ian.
BEATIFULL SONG...GREAT BAND JOY DIVISION...GREAT MAN IAN CURTIS...LOVE FOREVER....ETERNAL
It sounds like a march to the grave. In essence, it was.
The drums are so symbolic of someone attempting to break out of somewhere
I must tell you all something: I discovered JD when I was in secondary school in the early 80-ies, it was not so easy in Poland to listen to western music that time; I must admit, I was looking for being original, I loved these Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath things, but that was not it; one evening I read the article written by a great journalist and practically my coeval, Mr. Tomasz Beksinski (who also himself died by his own hand later on); it suited me perfectly, I was in that time reading Heidegger's and Kierkegaard's things and was thinking what is past the death. I infected lots of people with Joy Division, luckily noone comitted suicide. Now I am 54, and decided to present this masterpiece to my child when he's emotionally stable. Perhaps he found Ian's music himself, but knowing how big an impact this music has, I take caution.
Condemn me, but I believe God takes care of Ian although he decided to act against God.
Thanks for reading this and sorry for being so wordy.
God doesnt naturally think like us. Questioning what is and what isnt "against God" is just ignorant. He even knows our pain. Wow..
Wow, I'd never think i'd be moved by a youtube comment.
@@maddyboombaddybaddy6532 still god expects us to stand to all those pains follow the path of life, even though god is able to recognize our pain it doesn't mean that god will forgive our acts caused by our pain
@@maddyboombaddybaddy6532 God has no thoughts, no will, no judgement; just the attribute of memory to keep the world together and to preserve the reality of past and future events (according to Spinoza).
dont be fouled Ian goes to the hell
The drums sound almost militaristic in a way. I love that
3:21 that bass.... So deep
Great song man, thanks for this, the distant quality of this recording helps a lot with the gloomy atmosphere of this song. Best version around, in my opinion.
Thank you :)
It also sounds more industrial way before industrial music was even a thing
@@jakebkilgore2086 Plenty of "Industrial Music" that pre-dates Joy Division... Throbbing Gristle...Naut Humon...Monte Cazazza...Z'ev... ...and FFS... _The Residents_ !
@@jakebkilgore2086 industrial... industrial... how about emotional?
How distant was Ian...even rest of the band was like on another planet. My god didnt they hear this lyrics? This like a mass chanting?? Only Anik knew something coming. Yea this is the most depressing, dark piece of music. Honest unfortunately
exactly...maybe it's brutal... excuse me... but I think they weren't friends.. they just had a band together. :(
They likely knew something was way off but you can't keep your eyes on someone 24/7 ... Sadly, he had made up his mind to die young, definitely before their US tour, and couldn't be stopped.
he tried to kill himself 2 times before succeeding, so the signs were all there.
They only care about him and his memory for profit
I fucking hate new order
Luana Legora Same, New Order is shallow Joy Divison
@@danijel-ch2gk I had tickets to see them in SF. Walked into Rough Trade (when it was on Grant St) that day and people were crying... It was where I heard the news.
waaw, first time i heard of this song.. and i heard of joy division 15 years ago. im 31 now. wish i would of known of them sooner. forever one of my favorite all time bands.
It’s clearly a work in progress but it just makes me wonder how good could the follow up to Closer have been....?
"Caressing the marble and stone..... "
this is just so haunting and eerie
great track-he was mastering his voice here, almost Morrisonesque - he was just getting better as a singer all the time.
Being a massive fan of Joy Division & Tuv's videos, I was genuinely buzzing to see JD mentioned in Tuv's video. Of course I've already heard this, but it's still an amazing song, yet so heartbreakingly disturbing. Ian was one of the most talented writers I've ever seen/heard.
this is on repeat throughtout my life
All the years I've listened to Joy Division -New Order I've never listened to Joy Divisions version of In a lonely place New orders version is pure class 🎸🎤🎹🔉
I wish you were here with us now Ian.
We spend our lives alone with all connections a fleeting, illusionary distraction. We die in our own arms only.
Damn thats disturbing
RIP Ian Curtis
I feel like Phil Collin's in the air tonight was inspired by this song. I mean the drums, the synthesizer, the lo-fi voice recording, I see a lot of similarities there.
Thank You, awesome track.
JD gave us 2 perfect albums and other great singles. What more could anyone ask for.
Still is very good also even though its not a studio album and there other album Warsaw was a raw punk album all 4 are brilliant!
So beautiful
The ending just seems like the world fell apart
This is 'Love Will Tear Us Apart 's dark opposite.
The ending...damn.
40 years ago today. RIP
Gosto do tom fúnebre que certas músicas do Joy Division tem.... Uma ótima banda, pena que durou tão pouco com a morte precoce do Ian
Essa e a passover são bem fúnebres
This spooks me but I keep coming back to listen to it....
I would love to have access to the last converstion he shared with Gen P. Orridge - not only the conversation in itself but him singing Throbbing Gristle´s ´Weeping` over the phone to Gen .
I was rewatching some videos from tuv and came here
Did anyone else come here from tuv
Hidden gem.
Joy Division não é só Música! É Arte! É a essência da Vida! É ir onde poucos humanos conseguem ir! As profundezas do ser humano ! Tudo se resume a nada mas o nada se transforma em arte!
Thanks for sharing. I love it.
Had no idea (until seeing this) that Closer's art was Christ in repose (Staglieno Monumental Cemetery, Genoa). Wild.
This is funeral hymn!
Cebis Picis indeed this is, when my aunt died in 2014, this makes me have flashbacks about it. Especially in 1:19.
Karajo....la música de Joy Division, nunca nos deja de sorprendernos ... geniales en pleno 2023....CSM ....de ptm !!!
This song is both beutiful in it's own way but also bloody terrifying
So is life...death might be less terrifying....
A masterpiece.
- C 27 - 03 - 23
I know for sure this will be the welcoming hymn on my way out of this world. See you on the other side. No regrets.
great haunting track, the music reminds me a bit of cabaret voltaire from the mix up album,Fourth shot stuff like that.
The saddest song in existence. It's traumatic just to listen to it
not really, but maybe to some.
What could be is almost as hard to live with as the past or present. Scars never heal properly.
imagine hearing this at night
Tell me hypnotic song this is it.
Sound from grave and beyond. Great!
What a beautiful song
As a long time Joy Division fan... there is actually something comforting about this song. I've gone mad
Edit: looking at the comments it seems as people are coming from "tuv". If you want something dark aswell just listen to Atrocity Exhibition by them.
Como nao posso deixar de ouvir tal Magestidade
Sound like Ian had already one foot in the grave when this was recorded.
"How I wish WE were here with you now" He was saying this to the band's members what they really should have done... This is his suicide note, no question about that.
wow!!! masterpiece thanks