@@Dave_of_Mordor could be it. We always see in every arc, there will always be some character that negative with whatever the strawhat is doing. Heck even Nami, Usopp, Robin doubt their captain at first. Now even Robin is crazy.
Joyboy also apologized to the mermaid princess of the void century… I doubt it was just his friends the reason he failed. His friends probably just felt bad and taught they could do more in a hopeless situation.
@@blacklite911 Luffy is Joyboy. Luffy's VA is Mayumi Tanaka. Mayumi Tanaka with Adult Luffy voice would work for former Joyboy. This is just my guess. That's why I wrote "most likely".
My off-the-cuff theory is that Imu was originally part of JoyBoy's crew and there was a rift between him and JoyBoy similarly to that of Luffy and Usopp in Water 7 only that time the rift was never healed and JoyBoy never grew past that point as a captain.
To add to that, I wonder if the rift could have been Imu realizing that with the power of the ancient weapons Imu originally wanted JoyBoy to rule the world. However JoyBoy, like Luffy, had no desire to rule over anything. Imu then takes Uranus and Lilly and maybe a handful of other crew members and begins to plot to take over the world in order to do what JoyBoy would not. This quest for power slowly rots at his mind and his core morality until he becomes what he is today. Those of JoyBoy's crew who initially sided with Imu come to regret their decision and do whatever they can to set up Imu's eventual defeat.
@@AdamBukerThe promblem I have with that,is that you don't include the four gods. The void century isn't where this started based on sky island. If u look the nika in skypiea flash back ,he lived in more primitive Era where other gods existed. This Era will probably explain the existence of df ,and what happened to the gods.
You know, if Joyboy had a representative for each of Luffy's crew, Zunesha being Chopper and Robonosuke being Franky, it could be an interesting way to make the concept of the chosen one flip upside down. Luffy may have the destined devil fruit and be the destined person, but if Oda were to show us each of Joyboy's crew and how they failed, it would be a very interesting way to wrap up the series because it would emphasize that even though Luffy was the chosen one, he only succeeded because his friends succeeded in helping him.
Agree, in fact, thats why Oden failed. Oden only trust the Scabbards at the end . Before he didnt even want followes. If he had share with the scabbards his deal with Kaido and Orochi they would have tell him that they were lying.
Most likely it was something that was so important 800 years ago but is currently trivial. It was over something silly that was thrown way out of proportion. The best example I can think of is an episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender where two tribes begrudged one another over a conflict between two of their ancestors. And it turns out it's over a ball game. (Even though it's a lie) If it's silly enough to make the Rodger pirates laugh then it's got to be the equivalent of that.
I don't think it's that deep, joy boy was probably just winging it as the first pirate and put up a good fight but lost and as a last resort put processes in place so someone could succeed him. The crew probably did all they could and were expected to do but are blaming themselves because it was still a failure and with the benefit of hindsight they are thinking about "what if" they did more.
I think part of it, and something we see in Oden as well, is a failure to rely on his crew. Of course the crew see that as a failure of themselves, but really it's up to a good leader to use their subordinates.
I'll just say right off the bat before finishing the video that I think you hit the nail on the head here morj, the amount of subtle hints we've been getting about joy boy since Fishman Island are finally starting to neatly stack back together
At the 11:00 mark you’d been making many comparisons to joyboy’s crew being left and joyboy being taken out. Pretty much everything is applicable to Roger too. His crew was waiting at key spots for their chance to act
Yeah but we knew nothing about him till Wano, all we knew was what was written on that pongylph which just said he lived during the void century and broke a promise, everything else about him like his parallels to luffy wasn’t revealed till Wano
@@josephapsey9965 We knew that he failed a promise with Poseidon, left a giant ship and promise to the Fishman to return, and the sea kings commenting on someone to return. So yea we knew a bit
I think what happened is what we just saw in the latest chapter. Jb's crew didn't trust JB like the SH's trust Luffy. JB might have had a stupid plan he didn't tell his crew and they didn't have blind fait in him hence they failed.
I can make a potential comparison to Goku in Joyboy- he's so strong that the rest of the crew felt like they couldn't catch up to him- some of the members gave into cowardice when they themselves were threatened- giving into self-prerservation over integrity, which they regret to this day and maybe a Vegeta rival decided to side with Imu because they were so frustrated over the unfairness of the power gap- that they'd sell their metaphorical soul to close the gap.
Maybe Imu was someone like Kanjuro in Joyboy's crew , not the whole family line issues, but was once part of the crew but betrayed him due to the differences in views. So Imu gathered up the 20 kings and fought against Joy Boy's crew, knowing all their weaknesses .. and after seized power and ruled ever since then.
If there is one, I bet it's either Jupiter or Saturn. Both of them are named after mythological characters that are famous for betraying their fathers.
Ussop was the real Sun God. Played the drums of liberation in skypia. Always makes people laugh. Freed slaves and motivated giants to be free in ennies lobby. Has curly hair. Is creative. And he was already called the one and only God Usopp
I agree and disagree with this theory. I really hope each and every member of the Strawhat Pirates plays some key role in the defeat of The World Goverment and Celestial Dragons. I don't know if that means they all get Haki or Devil Fruit powers, I don't know. Either way, I'll be very disappointed if only Luffy, Zoro Sanji, and Jinbe get the spotlight because I've been wondering about this concept for a long time. Robin, Chopper, Franky and Brook aren't as strong as other members, but they can fight and take care of themselves. The weakest links of the Strawhat crew for me are: Nami and Ussop. Get mad all you want, I already know about she's the navigator and he's only a man...well don't entire a massive warzone if you can't fight, and need your friends to always bail you out. It's either that or be ready to die. If the Final War Arc really is going to make the Marineford Arc look like a joke, then I'm very worried for The Strawhat crew. Luffy struggled in that massive battle post-timeskip. Who are the factions going to be in this Final War? We got The Revolutionary Army, The Strawhat Grand Fleet, Other liberated Nations like Alabasta, Dressrosa, Amazon Lily, Zuneisha, and Emet. They will all be fighting against Imu, The Gorosei, The Holy Knights, Cipher Pol, The Marines, The Seraphim, SWORD, and maybe nations forced to fight on their behalf? People like Koby, Garp, Aokiji, Fujitora, and other marines might defect over to Luffy's side during the battle. Shanks will definitely fight for Luffy and to destroy the World Goverment as long as he isn't evil. I still think Kaido and Big Mom aren't dead and escaped during the Volcanic eruption if it wasn't them who created it. That would mean both emperors and their crews would return. They might fight for Luffy, but they will probably just fight to overthrow the World Government. I'm sure Oda will set up all of the factions and key players when the time comes, however whether you agree or disagree one thing is clear and cannot be disputed: This Final War will determine the fate of the world and if everybody survives then it won't feel realistic. I'm not saying everybody needs to die, but if it's like Wano where a few minor characters don't make it, Oda will fail in that regard. Kishimoto did the same thing with Naruto. Killing off cannon fodder that didn't matter to begin with. Also, understanding the entire history of Joyboy, The Void Century, Imu, The Ancient Weapons, The Will of D, and how all these mysteries connect is crucial for understanding the villain's motivations and backstory. That's why people hated Kaido's backstory. He was this major hyped-up character that got a five second backstory before he was defeated, that's bad writing.
How did joyboy lost the war and how will luffy's going to win.... Here's a theory what makes the difference between luffy and joyboy?.... their powers are probably the same and the only difference that we could speculate their crew or allies. When the void century war happened there could be a stage when joyboy's allies must take a decision and may be they make a decision against joyboy (probably they tricked by imu or someone from 20 kingdoms) and that leads to joyboy's loss.they probably lacks of loyalty or belief towards joyboy or ancient kingdom.And after joyboy's loss they realised that they had been tricked and wronged joyboy.Maybe because of that zunisha and the giant robot apologising to joyboy. And like mihawk said the greatest strength of luffy is make people around him his allies.We all know the loyalty of luffy's crew.They all believe in him. like the void century war the decision making stage would repeat in the luffy vs world government war and luffy's allies will believe luffy unlike joyboy and make decision in favour of luffy.And that will lead to their victory.
I totally agree, I have always thought that the gorosei and Imu were part of Joyboy's crew along with Zunesha, Poseidon and Emeth. I think the key point of the story was that the Gorosei under the leadership of Imu betrayed Joyboy and agreed to peace with the 20 kingdoms, turning the royal families into Tenryubito, the gorosei as the highest power and Imu as the ruler in the shadows. . From there comes the narrative theme of betrayal between pirates that Oda has been insisting on since the beginning of the manga.
I think another possible aspect of this might be that Joyboys crew were lacking in a way that made him have to go help them, thereby losing to Imu Luffys crew on the other hand will be so self reliant and strong at their core in their own right that Luffy won't have to check his back to make sure they are safe He can rely on Zoro to be strong enough to beat whoever is Number Two in the enemy forces He can rely on Sanjis and Namis intelligence to organize the crew He can rely on Chopper to stablize whenever someone gets hurt The Strawhats without Luffy are still a crew. He can be the strongest without having to check they can keep up, because THEY CAN. He doesn't have to be anxious, he can full focus on whatever top dog needs a beating. Oden was great but lost because someone tricked him into letting his guard down and making him believe his son was in danger Whitebeard was great because he had his familys back no matter what, his back was unwounded. Roger was the Pirate King, maybe as strong as Luffy (will be) and Joyboy but just at the wrong time. He didn't have to protect anyone because he was strong enough and his crew was aswell Luffy can be care free because his crew has his back and he does not waver for a second to believe they will handle whatever happens while he does the tough shit. It's clear what objective each party has, Luffy goes haywire and the crew has his back, period.
For some reason I am convinced that eventually, just like in Thriller Bark, the straw hat crew will have to fight an overwhelming opponent who has powers like Luffy. Maybe Luffy even gets taken control of and they have to defeat him to take him back. I feel like for them to become the best crew, they have to be able to stand against someone on the level of their captain when combining their forces.
Arguably yes, but that certainly wasn't how the Scabbards saw it - so if the parallel is true, it may be also just that Joyboy's crew subjectively see it that way.
@@matthewharris9580Oden abandoned his country to go on an adventure,he never let the other Shoguns know about Orochi's schemes and basically let Orochi manipulate the masses by playing the fool, didn't do anything about the plight of the Kurozumi and Shedding light to Orochi's machinations and the incompetence of his father Sukiyaki ( Oden was basically Ned Stark from The Song of Ice and Fire, and set forth the events of the the Game of thrones, if he took care of the Boltons, told Robert about the truth of his children,and actually did his duty as the hand of the king, PS If he actually told the truth of Lyanna Stark-Targarean, Robert 's rebellion may have never continued, ).
@@matthewharris9580by not trusting them enough. By shouldering the entire burden himself rather than ask them for help. Kaido had said if Oden and the scabbards teamed up with hyogoro at the start, kaido and his crew would've had no chance. And if oden had told the scabbards about the hostages, perhaps they could have done something about it, together.
13:28 the manga gave some subtle hints that the act of betrayal IS the mistake, not Lili attempting to atone for her sins or anything, she was out for betrayal from the start! Prolly a mole of Joyboy or sth but alas, this is all theorycrafting. I would not go to deep into this maybe Morj was reading in Indian, and it is translated differently where he is BUT the from the Japanese raws we must infer that Lili messed it up ON PURPOSE, and not for "atonement".
This arc was supposed to be frankys ars but instead it revolved around nika. Next arc in elbaf sadly is leaning more towards another nika centered plot than usopp.
I just believe that Oda is saving the best stuff for them toward the final arcs. The end stretch is what truly matters. Imagine if one of the Straw-Hats got their peak moment in this arc, and then they are sidelined for the rest of the story. People will clown on them for eternity. That's a fact. I've seen it happen so many times in other series.
Bruh just repeated joyboys crew failed for 16 mins whilst pointing out the obvious. What they failed and how they failed is the question we have alongside why they were even fighting to begin with?
I think the D. Clan are the descendants of the members of Joyboy's crew's bloodlines. Possibly with the Monkey family being the direct descendants of Joyboy himself. That would be epic honestly.
He was mentioned for sure but it wasn’t till Wano that we realised how important he actually was, all we knew about him before Wano was that he lived during the void century and broke a promise to the mermaid princess that’s it, his connection to Zuneisha, his paralleles to Luffy etc where all introduced in Wano
It makes sense that JB never had his "shabondi incident" and instead he and his homies just pushed through when they shouldnt making it everyones fault, including outsiders. The prevalent thing is that Luffy is often greatly helped by people who have learned and strive to improve from their direct predecessors, they inherited their will. All this happens from generation to generation, all the way to void century. Example: Luffy had learned from the Pirate Kings right hand man, and was mostly influenced by a guy who viewed that same pirate king the way Luffy looks at him. Roger was likely inspired and inherited something from some big shot from the past. That big shot from another big shot... You can say the same for Cobra, who probably ties back to Lily, and now Vivi is the one to carry it all. Momo too. You have these proverbial chains, the one piece that everyone has created and thats what Luffy will make that final lap with to create a new dawn. Now this concept of "dawn of the world" has to be measured and compared to something. It cant be just "prospering times of the free world" cause there will never be "true freedom for everyone". There will always be a wrongdoer to make things bad. Kobys dreams also hint at this. Why would you need a navy in such a world? Hes a major player in the story and he wants to be an admiral. Theres Smoker as well. There are people willing to change the marines and create a just law enforcement system. What is most logical to me here is that in pre-void century there was a great peaceful era. Many kingdoms and empires of our world have had their golden eras and most of them were marked with peace and stability. And this is what happened back then. So in peaceful times you dont need Rayleighs, Kumas, Shanks' and such skilled combatants to aid you nor do you need your Vivis, Boas, Momonosukes to be such great personalities. JB didnt have this. Chaos came in like a truck and people werent prepared, which led to their downfall. What this also does is give that open ending factor that any good story has. You cant just write everything conclusively. You need to at least have some parts of your story to have readers think about once its all done. Whether its more or less is preferential but there always needs to be some.
Luffy stays behind on Egghead to fight off Five Elders, and tells the crew to leave him behind. He gets captured by the WG and they announce his execution. This leads the SHs to feeling like they failed their captain similarly to how Joyboy's crew and the Scabbards felt. This will lead them to rally the entire SH fleet for a final arc rescue operation.
I actually love this thought because the first time we saw the straw hats fight together was thrill bark where luffy was completely outmatched. Every yanks crew besides shanks failed due to size. But luffys crew after ussop leaves never challenges him again
I'm getting strong "we're about to get two new nakamas" vibes. Hear me out: CP0 is definitely kicking Stussy out and might even kill her. While Kaku might have considered taking Stussy back if given the power, authority, and chance, we all know that Lucci would definitely exterminate her if he were in Kaku's shoes-unless Oda throws in a major plot twist, like Lucci having a crush on her and forgiving her. However, Stussy herself has revealed that with Stella's death, she feels her life has no purpose anymore. Unless it turns out that the huge brain is the real Stella or Stella somehow gets revived, the only thing left for Stussy is death. Staying on Egghead means certain death at the hands of the Gorosei and the buster call. However, I don't think she's suicidal; otherwise, she would have given up on life after Stella's death. Yet, she's still trying to belong to CP0 and asking Kaku for forgiveness and a second chance. So, let's consider her options for escaping the island (at least the one we officially know about): - Government ships (e.g., those used by the Gorosei, Kizaru, the Vice Admirals, and the usual cannon fodder Marines) - The giants - CP0 - The Strawhats Since we've established that she's still clinging to life and not suicidal, I think she might desperately try to sneak onto the Strawhats' ship. Among all these groups, the Strawhats make the most sense. Why? Unless CP0 and the government forgive her (which is unlikely), the government will chase her as a criminal, and she'll end up on wanted posters. Between the giants and the Strawhats, the logical choice is the Strawhats. Luffy is a Yonko, and as we've seen in the story, the government refrains from carelessly involving themselves with Yonkos. So, Stussy's best bet would be the Strawhats. This is why I believe we might see her joining the crew similarly to how Robin did post-Alabasta, appearing out of nowhere on the ship. As a clone, she has a strong desire to belong and feel like a real human. That's why I think by the end of the arc, not just Bonney, but also Stussy, will join the Strawhats or at least try to become a member and ask to join. Now that we have a clearer understanding of Bonney's journey, we can see that her primary goal was to save her father and reunite with him. However, now that they have reconnected, the story is implying that Kuma most probably won't be back as she knew him. That said, with her mission accomplished, Bonney lacks a compelling reason to continue sailing. Additionally, we know that after the Marineford War, Bonney's crew was defeated by the Blackbeard Pirates. She was captured by Admiral Akainu and taken to Marine Headquarters but somehow managed to escape, leaving her crew behind. This implies that her crew either perished or disbanded since there is no indication that Bonney attempted to regroup them. Given these circumstances, it seems improbable that Bonney would join the Strawhats. However, her initial purpose for sailing has been fulfilled, and she now possesses control over one of the World Government's most powerful weapons: an army of Pacifistas. This makes her a significant target for the World Government, likely even drawing the attention of CP0. Considering her precarious position, it would be advantageous for Bonney to align herself with a powerful crew. Joining forces with a Yonko crew, like the Strawhats, could provide her with the protection she needs. The World Government tends to avoid direct confrontations with Yonko crews to prevent large-scale wars and other potentially disastrous consequences in the One Piece world. And what greater twist could there be than for her to join forces with the legendary figure from her father's stories, Nika himself? What do you guys think?
I think what we saw in the most recent chapter is incredibly important. Sanji and franky would go so far as to use their strongest attacks laced with haki on luffy without a second of hesitation just because he asked even though he’s fighting an invincible opponent. They’re loyal and will follow luffy’s command no matter what. I don’t think joyboy’s crew failed in terms of strength, after all one punch from the robot did more damage to a gorisei than luffy could do throughout this whole fight. But I bet his crew failed because they didn’t believe in him like the straw hats believe in luffy. I bet that in one short but critical moment, joyboy’s crew doubted him and it ultimately cost him his life and brought about the 800 years of world government. After all, zunesha and the robot are sorry because they failed joyboy, rather than striving to get stronger because their strength was insufficient. It seems as tho they’re perfectly strong enough, but their failure was a choice so there’s no real way to remedy that other than to keep moving forward
What if there was a 1 to 1 relation between JB's crew and Luffy's? Maybe Emesh is their Franky, Zunesha is their Chopper, Lili is their Vivi and Toki is their Nami (or Bonney). They all were similar to the SH crew, and stronger, but worse at what they were suposed to do. Or maybe they individually were even greater than the current SH crew, but they lack the sheer faith they have in one another.
I mean, the Straw-Hat crew is becoming less and less important to the overall plot of One Piece. I hope they get the spotlight in the final saga, making this theory true, but that is not what is happening at the moment. Yamato, Kidd, Tama and Law were more fundamental to defeating the Yonko. In this Arc, Bonney is flashed out as fundamental to defeat the WG etc, etc.
I dont like that direction. This was suppossed to be frankys arc but instead it revolved around the Sun God. Next arc is elbaf but by the way things are looking, it seems to be a arc focused again on the Sun God than Usopp
@@Leonkennedy19992 No where in the manga was it alluded that this is gonna be Franky's arc. Yeah, it wouldve been cool to see, but it wasnt promised. On the other hand, the story explicitly shines ties between Usopp's story arc and the land of Elbaf. Theres no comparing the two.
@goombaboomba593 yeah that is true. Hopefully elbaf is still for usopp. Judging of how its being set up in egghead i doubt it will be usopp centered. Again it will be nika centered
People forget but ryuuma was also part of joy boys crew (theoretically since he didn't say much before he poofed) he left wano during the same time joyboy was alive, he killed a dragon which made him a legend in wano, he died from what seems to be sword slashes on his body which could have been the 20 kings, he never made it back to wano and his corpse was later used by moria. Ryuma seemed to be of the same family line as zoro and even gave him his sword as if to say 'this is your time now, don't fail like I did'. If he was known as the greatest swordman of his generations (by wano citizens) that mean that their could have been either a stronger swordsman then him out there, or he was betrayed along side joyboy and choose to die alongside his captian rather then submit.
dont worry.. Luffy will have the best backup in Rayleigh, Marco, Sabo, Hancock, Shanks, Dragon, Garp, Koby, Fujitora, Aokiji, Yamato, Elbaf Giants, Fishmen..
I don't know about it being a matter of Joy Boy's crew just not being strong enough, I think it was probably something like, they lost faith in him or let themselves be tricked into betraying him
I think along with this it could also be that a person in Joyboy’s crew betrayed him and led the others astray. So Emeth and Zunesha could be apologising for believing the lie about Joyboy and hence failing him. This traitor could be the other evil will of D, Rocks and Blackbeard
I think what always gets me about these head canon theories is that the assumption boils down to ‘Oda is trying to say this in his writing’. There’s also this notion of being some grandiose writing critic. It’s just like with the recent Bonney issue. Does anyone but me just enjoy reading it weekly without some sort of assumption leading into it?
I mean if your making a theory, trying to figure out the author's intent is a very good way to go about it. Obviously it's not perfect, since we can't read Oda's mind, but I think it's still a good method.
I totally agree, I have always thought that the gorosei and Imu were part of Joyboy's crew along with Zunesha, Poseidon and Emeth. I think the key point of the story was that the Gorosei under the leadership of Imu betrayed Joyboy and agreed to peace with the 20 kingdoms, turning the royal families into Tenryubito, the gorosei as the highest power and Imu as the ruler in the shadows. . Maybe that's the reason for the narrative theme of betrayal between pirates that Oda has been insisting on since the beginning of the manga
Oda knew you were cooking with “the raid will fail”. But the raid failing was too important to allocate to Wano. Oda couldn’t redo the same type of failure within the span of a couple arcs (Wano vs. the ultimate Joyboy reveal arc which is coming soon)
Oh no... four poneglyphs... four emperors... four seas... one poneglyph from each emperor, each of those four poneglyphs originating from one of the four seas, each of those emperors also coming from one of the four seas. Roger having found all four by traversing the grandline... oh no. Rayleigh stop me.
I really enjoyed your video, and I think your theory is quite interesting. However, considering Japanese culture, we can never be certain. In Japanese culture, it's not uncommon to encounter unusual scenarios, such as leaders sacrificing themselves. We see this theme frequently. For example, in the anime "Naruto," Neji Hyuga sacrifices himself to save his cousin and friends during a battle (Ranker). Similarly, in "One Piece," Portgas D. Ace sacrifices himself to protect his brother, Luffy, from a fatal attack (FirstCuriosity). Another instance is in "Attack on Titan," where Armin Arlert endures excruciating pain to weaken the Colossal Titan and give his friend Eren a chance to defeat it (FirstCuriosity). In this context, I think one possibility is that Joy Boy might have wanted to sacrifice himself because Emu and the World Government were holding his friends hostage or otherwise threatening them. He might have decided to surrender because he feared that if he defeated the World Government, people would perceive him as a dictator. This could explain why he sent messages asking them to stop fighting. Perhaps he even hinted that in the future, someone would follow in his footsteps and fulfill his dream.
I think that Imu was part of Joyboy's crew. If just like Luffy, Joyboy needed all his nakama to accomplish his dream. Then the betrayal of a nakama would definitely derail his entire plan.
This isn't about Luffy never failing EVER, then the story wouldn't be interesting, plus Luffy and the crew still managed to recover and get stronger and havent lost since 2 years later. Plus they technically didn't follow Luffy's orders and run away. Chances are during the final war arc, there will be a very big decision that the crew will have to make that seems completely insane for a normal person. But, their belief in Luffy pushes them through to not mimic Joyboys failure.
He explained it in his mf video,luffy needs to protect his crew,that's his responsibility as the captain,he wasn't strong enough to protect them so he failed
Lili was evil. Lilith is the Evil Vegapunk, 100 chapters after Vivi's introduction is the chapter "Crocodile-ish", and Crocodile is introduced holding a lily. Given the amount of reverence Imu shows Lili, I'd say she was essentially the leader of the villain faction. This also raises uncomfortable questions about Joyboy himself. What was the promise to fishman island? What was the purpose of the Noah? I think it may be darker than any of you realize. The Noah was meant to save animals, not humans. Lili wanted to sink the world in order to reset humanity, because human expansion was causing mass extinctions of animals. And in the end Joyboy fought against her and the rest of his nakama, save for the handful who sided with him. The Gorosei and Imu are the nakama who sided with Lili. The evidence is so out in the open with this one. The entire ideology of Amazon Lily revolves around survival of the fittest. Natural population control. The human hunting games are essentially this on a much bigger scale. Survival of the fittest taken to the absolute extreme. The Gorosei show contempt towards technology and express the opinion that the sciences regressing isn't necessarily bad for them. Then there's the war god of the environment. Likely Lili's position.
If you take the parallels between the Red Scabbards and Joyboy's old crew, you could speculate that Joyboy has a traitor among his crew. Maybe they'll be the ancestors of people like Blackbeard.
I believe that the reason they failed is that they did not sacrifice Joyboy, there came a point much like the recent chapter where the only way to suceed would be involve killing Joyboy (luffy) and the crew could not do it. The crew will learn this that the only reason why the last crew failed is they could not follow their captain into death, but this crew will allow the sacrifice and Luffy's death will be a fitting resolution.
I think you're right that JoyBoy's crew failed him, but I think the failure is that they didn't have faith in him. This is the way to most easily highlight the Strawhats strength, and its sort of subtly there since Squard at Marine Ford. JoyBoy was betrayed. His crew was tricked into believing JoyBoy was becoming something he wasn't, and that wavering cost him the war. But as Wano shows us, the Strawhats won't waver even a bit.
I always wanted zunesha to be the first animal who ate choppers fruit also was a doctor and at some Crucial point lost control and stayed in its final point for 900years
I personally believe that just like there was an imposter in the 9 scabbards, there would've been in the Joyboy's crew, someone who was set up by the current world government in disguise. That person could also be a shape shifting monster such as how people speculate that Blackbeard actually has multiple personalities.
Sometimes you say the most ridiculous things. "Doflamingo and Enel were based on the Gorosei and Imu" Man that's literally just a leader figure and his lieutenants. The way One Piece theorists try to claim the most banal things are "foreshadowing" or plot echoes is so cringe
That's true luffys crew was exceptional but it is also because Luffy was extra ordinary he drove his crew to their fullest...the greatest swordsman,cook navigator,doctor,sniper,musician,shipwright Luffy encourage the best out of them
Joyboy was created out of one necessity: a backflash for what happened in the ancient kingdom. How the world fell under the WG will be explained through a flashback to Jpy Boy and it will be connected to the present. Just like Oden's failure to stop Kaido had very bad consequences for Wano and was connected to the present, the people of the present had to make his fsilure up and stop Kaido. So did Joyboys defeat versus the five elders and Imu lead to the creation of the WG and has to be stopped by the people of the present connected to Joyboy somehow.
I could see it being that the crew adds one final member. For once the crew is gun-ho about the member but luffy isn’t and needs convincing. That final member ends up being the one who splinters the crew from luffy. It could be very similar to the Joyboy story except (obviously) luffy and crew don’t let it destroy the crew entirely and come together at the end. The history is similar to the present but not parallel
Let the video go on, went to take a piss, then I walked my dog in the yard for a bit, came back and he was talking about the same thing. Rewinded the video and I missed nothing, lol.
800 years ago.. the raid ACTUALLY failed…!
MF beat me to it
Yawn
Facts!!!
@@Hunterhunter1122you mean Dawn
Get outta here and go drop some more Wanji agenda lmao
Morj failed to put out the Wano Analysis. Here's what happened.
YES , NEVER FORGET
I mean, he’s the Mr. raid will fail guy I think that itself was kind of an analysis. He gambled his entire courier on it and lost.
@@sidp5381 Mr Morj was our Joyboy and we failed him by not believing in the raid fail agenda.
“No man is an island”…
*Avalo Pizarro and Zunesha enters that chat*
One is a cat and one is an elephant 👀
Since when is Pizarro a cat?
@@theprodigalsun__why else would he end all his sentences with "nyah"?
About a Joy Boy
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They didn't believe 100% that he could win. Their faith wavered. That's why they didn't win.
This might just be it. The straw hats have an unwavering doubt that Luffy will achieve anything he sets his mind to.
@@devinjasmin8029 that's because the strawhat are just as crazy as their captain. while the joyboy crew were sane except for joyboy himself
This might be it considering it’s so heavily emphasized how luffy’s crew believes in him so much
@@Dave_of_Mordor could be it. We always see in every arc, there will always be some character that negative with whatever the strawhat is doing. Heck even Nami, Usopp, Robin doubt their captain at first. Now even Robin is crazy.
Joyboy also apologized to the mermaid princess of the void century… I doubt it was just his friends the reason he failed. His friends probably just felt bad and taught they could do more in a hopeless situation.
Cant wait for the spoken joyboy line animated in 1.5 years
VA will most likely be Mayumi Tanaka.
@@TheSavageAdulthow do you know?
@@blacklite911 Luffy is Joyboy. Luffy's VA is Mayumi Tanaka. Mayumi Tanaka with Adult Luffy voice would work for former Joyboy. This is just my guess. That's why I wrote "most likely".
@@TheSavageAdultmost likely is a stretch. 25% to 50% chance is my opinion
@@TheSavageAdult It'd be kinda meta if they got Goku's VA to do it
My off-the-cuff theory is that Imu was originally part of JoyBoy's crew and there was a rift between him and JoyBoy similarly to that of Luffy and Usopp in Water 7 only that time the rift was never healed and JoyBoy never grew past that point as a captain.
To add to that, I wonder if the rift could have been Imu realizing that with the power of the ancient weapons Imu originally wanted JoyBoy to rule the world. However JoyBoy, like Luffy, had no desire to rule over anything. Imu then takes Uranus and Lilly and maybe a handful of other crew members and begins to plot to take over the world in order to do what JoyBoy would not. This quest for power slowly rots at his mind and his core morality until he becomes what he is today. Those of JoyBoy's crew who initially sided with Imu come to regret their decision and do whatever they can to set up Imu's eventual defeat.
@@AdamBuker this is an amazing idea
@@AdamBukerThe promblem I have with that,is that you don't include the four gods. The void century isn't where this started based on sky island. If u look the nika in skypiea flash back ,he lived in more primitive Era where other gods existed. This Era will probably explain the existence of df ,and what happened to the gods.
So you're telling me Imu is essentially Ussop's villain arc. Hmm... adds up to me!
What if there's still resentment in usopp and he's the one who betrays Luffy later on?
Maybe the real reason the world government will fall are the friends along the way.
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That was the entire Shonen Genre in a nutshell, but I guess Fairy Tail lives rent free in the minds of Social Media.
I mean will it not be? Luffy himself has a fleet over over 5k members. Not to mention all the allies he’s made with kingdoms over the years
this is the power of friendship explained with romanticism. This is how you do it. Much more satisfying.
You know, if Joyboy had a representative for each of Luffy's crew, Zunesha being Chopper and Robonosuke being Franky, it could be an interesting way to make the concept of the chosen one flip upside down. Luffy may have the destined devil fruit and be the destined person, but if Oda were to show us each of Joyboy's crew and how they failed, it would be a very interesting way to wrap up the series because it would emphasize that even though Luffy was the chosen one, he only succeeded because his friends succeeded in helping him.
This dude is cooking!
@@ArsalanRehman His new video says exactly what I said here lol
Agree, in fact, thats why Oden failed. Oden only trust the Scabbards at the end . Before he didnt even want followes. If he had share with the scabbards his deal with Kaido and Orochi they would have tell him that they were lying.
Hold my Binks Sake.
The whole idea Joyboy's crew parallels the scabbards is nice and all...
But how does a story like that make Roger laugh?
Possibly he was laughing at the promised joyful future Luffy would bring
He was laughing to the failure of that crew
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@@sinancothebestLMAO
Most likely it was something that was so important 800 years ago but is currently trivial. It was over something silly that was thrown way out of proportion.
The best example I can think of is an episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender where two tribes begrudged one another over a conflict between two of their ancestors. And it turns out it's over a ball game. (Even though it's a lie) If it's silly enough to make the Rodger pirates laugh then it's got to be the equivalent of that.
He found Joyboys stash
I don't think it's that deep, joy boy was probably just winging it as the first pirate and put up a good fight but lost and as a last resort put processes in place so someone could succeed him. The crew probably did all they could and were expected to do but are blaming themselves because it was still a failure and with the benefit of hindsight they are thinking about "what if" they did more.
They didn’t fail and that is the laugh tale 😂😂😂😂
It's set-up as the biggest mystery of One Piece though.
I think part of it, and something we see in Oden as well, is a failure to rely on his crew. Of course the crew see that as a failure of themselves, but really it's up to a good leader to use their subordinates.
I'll just say right off the bat before finishing the video that I think you hit the nail on the head here morj, the amount of subtle hints we've been getting about joy boy since Fishman Island are finally starting to neatly stack back together
At the 11:00 mark you’d been making many comparisons to joyboy’s crew being left and joyboy being taken out. Pretty much everything is applicable to Roger too. His crew was waiting at key spots for their chance to act
so...the One Piece is the power of friendship
Better not be, Oda promised it wouldn’t be that
In a way it is lol. But its more like the cliche “divided we fall” rather than friends as power up
So, One Piece was Fairy Tail,all along😅.
This is about the will of D and bring dawn to the world by defeating Imu, this has nothing to do with the One Piece...
No... the power of friendship is necessary to find the One piece
What if instead of joyboy he was called freakboy and instead of bringing joy he brought freakyness
Diddy In the one piece verse
yo😂
Hahaha nice
Recent 150 Chapters?? We knew of Joyboy back in Fishman Island.
Yeah but we knew nothing about him till Wano, all we knew was what was written on that pongylph which just said he lived during the void century and broke a promise, everything else about him like his parallels to luffy wasn’t revealed till Wano
@@josephapsey9965 We knew that he failed a promise with Poseidon, left a giant ship and promise to the Fishman to return, and the sea kings commenting on someone to return. So yea we knew a bit
Marshall D. member of Joyboy's crew was the kanjuro of that era
It’s videos like this that make me want to reread all of one piece again
The bare thought of the straw hats having their moments to shine that helps Luffy beating Imu gives me goosebumps
I think what happened is what we just saw in the latest chapter. Jb's crew didn't trust JB like the SH's trust Luffy. JB might have had a stupid plan he didn't tell his crew and they didn't have blind fait in him hence they failed.
Kuma also complimented luffys crew in thriller bark
"No one man is an island"
Pizarro: *ahem*
I can make a potential comparison to Goku in Joyboy- he's so strong that the rest of the crew felt like they couldn't catch up to him- some of the members gave into cowardice when they themselves were threatened- giving into self-prerservation over integrity, which they regret to this day and maybe a Vegeta rival decided to side with Imu because they were so frustrated over the unfairness of the power gap- that they'd sell their metaphorical soul to close the gap.
Maybe Imu was someone like Kanjuro in Joyboy's crew , not the whole family line issues, but was once part of the crew but betrayed him due to the differences in views. So Imu gathered up the 20 kings and fought against Joy Boy's crew, knowing all their weaknesses .. and after seized power and ruled ever since then.
That means there may be a traitor in joyboys crew as well.
If there is one, I bet it's either Jupiter or Saturn. Both of them are named after mythological characters that are famous for betraying their fathers.
His crew aligned with the traitor D => the one BlackBeard inherited his will from.
I think Blackbeard could appear as a very appealing choice near the end with a key flaw in why his approach is wrong.
@@idiatico watch his key flaw being a real pirate
All i gotta say is that Oda probably has another bombshell tragic backstory of JoyBoy and his crew waiting for us, and my snot tissues are ready.
Usopp could not let Luffy fail. He’d fight Lucci himself.
Ussop was the real Sun God. Played the drums of liberation in skypia. Always makes people laugh. Freed slaves and motivated giants to be free in ennies lobby. Has curly hair. Is creative. And he was already called the one and only God Usopp
@@Leonkennedy19992as an usopp enjoyer this a w
“Storytelling always has a purpose” Hunter x Hunter hold my beer
I agree and disagree with this theory. I really hope each and every member of the Strawhat Pirates plays some key role in the defeat of The World Goverment and Celestial Dragons. I don't know if that means they all get Haki or Devil Fruit powers, I don't know. Either way, I'll be very disappointed if only Luffy, Zoro Sanji, and Jinbe get the spotlight because I've been wondering about this concept for a long time. Robin, Chopper, Franky and Brook aren't as strong as other members, but they can fight and take care of themselves. The weakest links of the Strawhat crew for me are: Nami and Ussop. Get mad all you want, I already know about she's the navigator and he's only a man...well don't entire a massive warzone if you can't fight, and need your friends to always bail you out. It's either that or be ready to die.
If the Final War Arc really is going to make the Marineford Arc look like a joke, then I'm very worried for The Strawhat crew. Luffy struggled in that massive battle post-timeskip. Who are the factions going to be in this Final War? We got The Revolutionary Army, The Strawhat Grand Fleet, Other liberated Nations like Alabasta, Dressrosa, Amazon Lily, Zuneisha, and Emet. They will all be fighting against Imu, The Gorosei, The Holy Knights, Cipher Pol, The Marines, The Seraphim, SWORD, and maybe nations forced to fight on their behalf? People like Koby, Garp, Aokiji, Fujitora, and other marines might defect over to Luffy's side during the battle. Shanks will definitely fight for Luffy and to destroy the World Goverment as long as he isn't evil. I still think Kaido and Big Mom aren't dead and escaped during the Volcanic eruption if it wasn't them who created it. That would mean both emperors and their crews would return. They might fight for Luffy, but they will probably just fight to overthrow the World Government.
I'm sure Oda will set up all of the factions and key players when the time comes, however whether you agree or disagree one thing is clear and cannot be disputed: This Final War will determine the fate of the world and if everybody survives then it won't feel realistic. I'm not saying everybody needs to die, but if it's like Wano where a few minor characters don't make it, Oda will fail in that regard. Kishimoto did the same thing with Naruto. Killing off cannon fodder that didn't matter to begin with. Also, understanding the entire history of Joyboy, The Void Century, Imu, The Ancient Weapons, The Will of D, and how all these mysteries connect is crucial for understanding the villain's motivations and backstory. That's why people hated Kaido's backstory. He was this major hyped-up character that got a five second backstory before he was defeated, that's bad writing.
One piece is truely about the ultimate power of friendship.
Imu was one of his friend, betraying cuz Lily fell for JoyBoy
So onepiece was ntr all along 😢
How did joyboy lost the war and how will luffy's going to win....
Here's a theory what makes the difference between luffy and joyboy?.... their powers are probably the same and the only difference that we could speculate their crew or allies.
When the void century war happened there could be a stage when joyboy's allies must take a decision and may be they make a decision against joyboy (probably they tricked by imu or someone from 20 kingdoms) and that leads to joyboy's loss.they probably lacks of loyalty or belief towards joyboy or ancient kingdom.And after joyboy's loss they realised that they had been tricked and wronged joyboy.Maybe because of that zunisha and the giant robot apologising to joyboy.
And like mihawk said the greatest strength of luffy is make people around him his allies.We all know the loyalty of luffy's crew.They all believe in him. like the void century war the decision making stage would repeat in the luffy vs world government war and luffy's allies will believe luffy unlike joyboy and make decision in favour of luffy.And that will lead to their victory.
I totally agree, I have always thought that the gorosei and Imu were part of Joyboy's crew along with Zunesha, Poseidon and Emeth. I think the key point of the story was that the Gorosei under the leadership of Imu betrayed Joyboy and agreed to peace with the 20 kingdoms, turning the royal families into Tenryubito, the gorosei as the highest power and Imu as the ruler in the shadows. .
From there comes the narrative theme of betrayal between pirates that Oda has been insisting on since the beginning of the manga.
That’s a interesting idea
Bro when sanji was taken luffy said i can’t be the pirate king
Went from a story about a kid on an adventure to a epic about gods and reincarnation and random bullshit
I think another possible aspect of this might be that Joyboys crew were lacking in a way that made him have to go help them, thereby losing to Imu
Luffys crew on the other hand will be so self reliant and strong at their core in their own right that Luffy won't have to check his back to make sure they are safe
He can rely on Zoro to be strong enough to beat whoever is Number Two in the enemy forces
He can rely on Sanjis and Namis intelligence to organize the crew
He can rely on Chopper to stablize whenever someone gets hurt
The Strawhats without Luffy are still a crew. He can be the strongest without having to check they can keep up, because THEY CAN. He doesn't have to be anxious, he can full focus on whatever top dog needs a beating.
Oden was great but lost because someone tricked him into letting his guard down and making him believe his son was in danger
Whitebeard was great because he had his familys back no matter what, his back was unwounded.
Roger was the Pirate King, maybe as strong as Luffy (will be) and Joyboy but just at the wrong time. He didn't have to protect anyone because he was strong enough and his crew was aswell
Luffy can be care free because his crew has his back and he does not waver for a second to believe they will handle whatever happens while he does the tough shit.
It's clear what objective each party has, Luffy goes haywire and the crew has his back, period.
For some reason I am convinced that eventually, just like in Thriller Bark, the straw hat crew will have to fight an overwhelming opponent who has powers like Luffy. Maybe Luffy even gets taken control of and they have to defeat him to take him back. I feel like for them to become the best crew, they have to be able to stand against someone on the level of their captain when combining their forces.
Except it was Oden who let his "crew" down, not the other way around.
How? I don’t understand how you think that
Arguably yes, but that certainly wasn't how the Scabbards saw it - so if the parallel is true, it may be also just that Joyboy's crew subjectively see it that way.
@@matthewharris9580Oden abandoned his country to go on an adventure,he never let the other Shoguns know about Orochi's schemes and basically let Orochi manipulate the masses by playing the fool, didn't do anything about the plight of the Kurozumi and Shedding light to Orochi's machinations and the incompetence of his father Sukiyaki ( Oden was basically Ned Stark from The Song of Ice and Fire, and set forth the events of the the Game of thrones, if he took care of the Boltons, told Robert about the truth of his children,and actually did his duty as the hand of the king, PS If he actually told the truth of Lyanna Stark-Targarean, Robert 's rebellion may have never continued, ).
@@matthewharris9580by not trusting them enough. By shouldering the entire burden himself rather than ask them for help. Kaido had said if Oden and the scabbards teamed up with hyogoro at the start, kaido and his crew would've had no chance. And if oden had told the scabbards about the hostages, perhaps they could have done something about it, together.
13:28 the manga gave some subtle hints that the act of betrayal IS the mistake, not Lili attempting to atone for her sins or anything, she was out for betrayal from the start! Prolly a mole of Joyboy or sth but alas, this is all theorycrafting. I would not go to deep into this maybe Morj was reading in Indian, and it is translated differently where he is BUT the from the Japanese raws we must infer that Lili messed it up ON PURPOSE, and not for "atonement".
Joyboy's crew x Luffy's crew
Emeth - Franky
Zunesha - Chopper
I just wish the story would focus on the strawhats more. They've been getting pushed to the side since they got to the new world.
This arc was supposed to be frankys ars but instead it revolved around nika. Next arc in elbaf sadly is leaning more towards another nika centered plot than usopp.
I just believe that Oda is saving the best stuff for them toward the final arcs. The end stretch is what truly matters. Imagine if one of the Straw-Hats got their peak moment in this arc, and then they are sidelined for the rest of the story. People will clown on them for eternity. That's a fact. I've seen it happen so many times in other series.
@@Leonkennedy19992since when did we decide that this is franky's arc . We are not oda.
This is now kuma and bonney's arc
@bmuhammadthariqhumaid4670 yeah thats true. But regarding elbaf it is building up like a nika focused arc instead of usopp
Who said it was supposed too be Frankys arc your expectations this arc is more about giving us information and bonny
14:34 there was no need for the "Even" dawg 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Bruh just repeated joyboys crew failed for 16 mins whilst pointing out the obvious. What they failed and how they failed is the question we have alongside why they were even fighting to begin with?
Nah he analyzes Luffy's crew and what he did and didn't do, so he applies that to why Joyboy failed as a theory
He was just regurgitating things we already know. Seriously these utubers have beem saying the same things the last decade. He and Ohara.@@Sernival
I think the D. Clan are the descendants of the members of Joyboy's crew's bloodlines. Possibly with the Monkey family being the direct descendants of Joyboy himself. That would be epic honestly.
Great analysis
So "Power of Friendships" 😂
the man marked by flames is Jaguar D. Saul
Joyboy is going to have an Eyepatch
Joy Boy was introduced and built-up as a central mystery in Fishmen Island.
He was mentioned for sure but it wasn’t till Wano that we realised how important he actually was, all we knew about him before Wano was that he lived during the void century and broke a promise to the mermaid princess that’s it, his connection to Zuneisha, his paralleles to Luffy etc where all introduced in Wano
@@josephapsey9965 Speak for yourself, it was really obvious that JoyBoy was really important in Fismen Island.
It makes sense that JB never had his "shabondi incident" and instead he and his homies just pushed through when they shouldnt making it everyones fault, including outsiders.
The prevalent thing is that Luffy is often greatly helped by people who have learned and strive to improve from their direct predecessors, they inherited their will. All this happens from generation to generation, all the way to void century. Example: Luffy had learned from the Pirate Kings right hand man, and was mostly influenced by a guy who viewed that same pirate king the way Luffy looks at him. Roger was likely inspired and inherited something from some big shot from the past. That big shot from another big shot...
You can say the same for Cobra, who probably ties back to Lily, and now Vivi is the one to carry it all. Momo too. You have these proverbial chains, the one piece that everyone has created and thats what Luffy will make that final lap with to create a new dawn.
Now this concept of "dawn of the world" has to be measured and compared to something. It cant be just "prospering times of the free world" cause there will never be "true freedom for everyone". There will always be a wrongdoer to make things bad. Kobys dreams also hint at this. Why would you need a navy in such a world? Hes a major player in the story and he wants to be an admiral. Theres Smoker as well. There are people willing to change the marines and create a just law enforcement system. What is most logical to me here is that in pre-void century there was a great peaceful era. Many kingdoms and empires of our world have had their golden eras and most of them were marked with peace and stability. And this is what happened back then. So in peaceful times you dont need Rayleighs, Kumas, Shanks' and such skilled combatants to aid you nor do you need your Vivis, Boas, Momonosukes to be such great personalities. JB didnt have this. Chaos came in like a truck and people werent prepared, which led to their downfall.
What this also does is give that open ending factor that any good story has. You cant just write everything conclusively. You need to at least have some parts of your story to have readers think about once its all done. Whether its more or less is preferential but there always needs to be some.
Luffy stays behind on Egghead to fight off Five Elders, and tells the crew to leave him behind. He gets captured by the WG and they announce his execution. This leads the SHs to feeling like they failed their captain similarly to how Joyboy's crew and the Scabbards felt. This will lead them to rally the entire SH fleet for a final arc rescue operation.
Morj, you are a treasure to the One Piece community.
I actually love this thought because the first time we saw the straw hats fight together was thrill bark where luffy was completely outmatched. Every yanks crew besides shanks failed due to size. But luffys crew after ussop leaves never challenges him again
I'm getting strong "we're about to get two new nakamas" vibes. Hear me out:
CP0 is definitely kicking Stussy out and might even kill her. While Kaku might have considered taking Stussy back if given the power, authority, and chance, we all know that Lucci would definitely exterminate her if he were in Kaku's shoes-unless Oda throws in a major plot twist, like Lucci having a crush on her and forgiving her. However, Stussy herself has revealed that with Stella's death, she feels her life has no purpose anymore. Unless it turns out that the huge brain is the real Stella or Stella somehow gets revived, the only thing left for Stussy is death. Staying on Egghead means certain death at the hands of the Gorosei and the buster call. However, I don't think she's suicidal; otherwise, she would have given up on life after Stella's death. Yet, she's still trying to belong to CP0 and asking Kaku for forgiveness and a second chance. So, let's consider her options for escaping the island (at least the one we officially know about):
- Government ships (e.g., those used by the Gorosei, Kizaru, the Vice Admirals, and the usual cannon fodder Marines)
- The giants
- CP0
- The Strawhats
Since we've established that she's still clinging to life and not suicidal, I think she might desperately try to sneak onto the Strawhats' ship. Among all these groups, the Strawhats make the most sense. Why? Unless CP0 and the government forgive her (which is unlikely), the government will chase her as a criminal, and she'll end up on wanted posters. Between the giants and the Strawhats, the logical choice is the Strawhats. Luffy is a Yonko, and as we've seen in the story, the government refrains from carelessly involving themselves with Yonkos. So, Stussy's best bet would be the Strawhats. This is why I believe we might see her joining the crew similarly to how Robin did post-Alabasta, appearing out of nowhere on the ship. As a clone, she has a strong desire to belong and feel like a real human. That's why I think by the end of the arc, not just Bonney, but also Stussy, will join the Strawhats or at least try to become a member and ask to join.
Now that we have a clearer understanding of Bonney's journey, we can see that her primary goal was to save her father and reunite with him. However, now that they have reconnected, the story is implying that Kuma most probably won't be back as she knew him. That said, with her mission accomplished, Bonney lacks a compelling reason to continue sailing. Additionally, we know that after the Marineford War, Bonney's crew was defeated by the Blackbeard Pirates. She was captured by Admiral Akainu and taken to Marine Headquarters but somehow managed to escape, leaving her crew behind. This implies that her crew either perished or disbanded since there is no indication that Bonney attempted to regroup them.
Given these circumstances, it seems improbable that Bonney would join the Strawhats. However, her initial purpose for sailing has been fulfilled, and she now possesses control over one of the World Government's most powerful weapons: an army of Pacifistas. This makes her a significant target for the World Government, likely even drawing the attention of CP0.
Considering her precarious position, it would be advantageous for Bonney to align herself with a powerful crew. Joining forces with a Yonko crew, like the Strawhats, could provide her with the protection she needs. The World Government tends to avoid direct confrontations with Yonko crews to prevent large-scale wars and other potentially disastrous consequences in the One Piece world. And what greater twist could there be than for her to join forces with the legendary figure from her father's stories, Nika himself?
What do you guys think?
The Post Marineford arc connection was so brilliant. This is why I watch your vids Morj. You know how to dissect this story
"No man is an island"
What about Avalo Pizarro?
Fine work as ALWAYS Morj. By the way, you inspired an idea for a tattoo I'd like to get now. Thanks
Mihawk literally said what Luffy's greatest strength is. 🔥
I think what we saw in the most recent chapter is incredibly important. Sanji and franky would go so far as to use their strongest attacks laced with haki on luffy without a second of hesitation just because he asked even though he’s fighting an invincible opponent. They’re loyal and will follow luffy’s command no matter what. I don’t think joyboy’s crew failed in terms of strength, after all one punch from the robot did more damage to a gorisei than luffy could do throughout this whole fight. But I bet his crew failed because they didn’t believe in him like the straw hats believe in luffy. I bet that in one short but critical moment, joyboy’s crew doubted him and it ultimately cost him his life and brought about the 800 years of world government. After all, zunesha and the robot are sorry because they failed joyboy, rather than striving to get stronger because their strength was insufficient. It seems as tho they’re perfectly strong enough, but their failure was a choice so there’s no real way to remedy that other than to keep moving forward
I immediately thought of this video after reading this week's chapter.
I feel you on the "he needs his friends" thing, but him and his whole squad got beat TF down shortly before MarineFord on Sabaody.
his greatest strength is what Michael said at marinford, his ability to turn those around him onto his side
Michael Jackson
@@Pekara121 Mike Hawk
Who??
Holy shit excellent video once again morj
What if there was a 1 to 1 relation between JB's crew and Luffy's? Maybe Emesh is their Franky, Zunesha is their Chopper, Lili is their Vivi and Toki is their Nami (or Bonney). They all were similar to the SH crew, and stronger, but worse at what they were suposed to do. Or maybe they individually were even greater than the current SH crew, but they lack the sheer faith they have in one another.
I mean, the Straw-Hat crew is becoming less and less important to the overall plot of One Piece. I hope they get the spotlight in the final saga, making this theory true, but that is not what is happening at the moment. Yamato, Kidd, Tama and Law were more fundamental to defeating the Yonko. In this Arc, Bonney is flashed out as fundamental to defeat the WG etc, etc.
I dont like that direction. This was suppossed to be frankys arc but instead it revolved around the Sun God. Next arc is elbaf but by the way things are looking, it seems to be a arc focused again on the Sun God than Usopp
@@Leonkennedy19992 No where in the manga was it alluded that this is gonna be Franky's arc. Yeah, it wouldve been cool to see, but it wasnt promised. On the other hand, the story explicitly shines ties between Usopp's story arc and the land of Elbaf. Theres no comparing the two.
@goombaboomba593 yeah that is true. Hopefully elbaf is still for usopp. Judging of how its being set up in egghead i doubt it will be usopp centered. Again it will be nika centered
People forget but ryuuma was also part of joy boys crew (theoretically since he didn't say much before he poofed) he left wano during the same time joyboy was alive, he killed a dragon which made him a legend in wano, he died from what seems to be sword slashes on his body which could have been the 20 kings, he never made it back to wano and his corpse was later used by moria. Ryuma seemed to be of the same family line as zoro and even gave him his sword as if to say 'this is your time now, don't fail like I did'.
If he was known as the greatest swordman of his generations (by wano citizens) that mean that their could have been either a stronger swordsman then him out there, or he was betrayed along side joyboy and choose to die alongside his captian rather then submit.
Joy boy must have been good at planning because Luffy is a complete idiot when it comes to following plans
dont worry.. Luffy will have the best backup in Rayleigh, Marco, Sabo, Hancock, Shanks, Dragon, Garp, Koby, Fujitora, Aokiji, Yamato, Elbaf Giants, Fishmen..
I don't know about it being a matter of Joy Boy's crew just not being strong enough, I think it was probably something like, they lost faith in him or let themselves be tricked into betraying him
I think along with this it could also be that a person in Joyboy’s crew betrayed him and led the others astray. So Emeth and Zunesha could be apologising for believing the lie about Joyboy and hence failing him. This traitor could be the other evil will of D, Rocks and Blackbeard
I think what always gets me about these head canon theories is that the assumption boils down to ‘Oda is trying to say this in his writing’.
There’s also this notion of being some grandiose writing critic. It’s just like with the recent Bonney issue.
Does anyone but me just enjoy reading it weekly without some sort of assumption leading into it?
I mean if your making a theory, trying to figure out the author's intent is a very good way to go about it. Obviously it's not perfect, since we can't read Oda's mind, but I think it's still a good method.
I totally agree, I have always thought that the gorosei and Imu were part of Joyboy's crew along with Zunesha, Poseidon and Emeth. I think the key point of the story was that the Gorosei under the leadership of Imu betrayed Joyboy and agreed to peace with the 20 kingdoms, turning the royal families into Tenryubito, the gorosei as the highest power and Imu as the ruler in the shadows. .
Maybe that's the reason for the narrative theme of betrayal between pirates that Oda has been insisting on since the beginning of the manga
Oda knew you were cooking with “the raid will fail”. But the raid failing was too important to allocate to Wano. Oda couldn’t redo the same type of failure within the span of a couple arcs (Wano vs. the ultimate Joyboy reveal arc which is coming soon)
From this, it’s obvious someone betrayed Joyboy, betrayed the crew
Oh no... four poneglyphs... four emperors... four seas... one poneglyph from each emperor, each of those four poneglyphs originating from one of the four seas, each of those emperors also coming from one of the four seas. Roger having found all four by traversing the grandline... oh no. Rayleigh stop me.
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I really enjoyed your video, and I think your theory is quite interesting. However, considering Japanese culture, we can never be certain. In Japanese culture, it's not uncommon to encounter unusual scenarios, such as leaders sacrificing themselves. We see this theme frequently.
For example, in the anime "Naruto," Neji Hyuga sacrifices himself to save his cousin and friends during a battle (Ranker). Similarly, in "One Piece," Portgas D. Ace sacrifices himself to protect his brother, Luffy, from a fatal attack (FirstCuriosity). Another instance is in "Attack on Titan," where Armin Arlert endures excruciating pain to weaken the Colossal Titan and give his friend Eren a chance to defeat it (FirstCuriosity).
In this context, I think one possibility is that Joy Boy might have wanted to sacrifice himself because Emu and the World Government were holding his friends hostage or otherwise threatening them. He might have decided to surrender because he feared that if he defeated the World Government, people would perceive him as a dictator. This could explain why he sent messages asking them to stop fighting. Perhaps he even hinted that in the future, someone would follow in his footsteps and fulfill his dream.
the friends along the way is the ultimate power lol
I think that Imu was part of Joyboy's crew. If just like Luffy, Joyboy needed all his nakama to accomplish his dream. Then the betrayal of a nakama would definitely derail his entire plan.
This all makes sense until we realise that the straw hats failed at Sabaody despite luffy having them all by his side
Sabaody is a failure for all of because it's the mid point in the story. Even if Luffy hit rock botton the hardest, all of them changed after that.
I would also say they failed because they didn't "t follow Luffy's order to run away, they didn't trust their captain's order.
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This isn't about Luffy never failing EVER, then the story wouldn't be interesting, plus Luffy and the crew still managed to recover and get stronger and havent lost since 2 years later. Plus they technically didn't follow Luffy's orders and run away. Chances are during the final war arc, there will be a very big decision that the crew will have to make that seems completely insane for a normal person. But, their belief in Luffy pushes them through to not mimic Joyboys failure.
He explained it in his mf video,luffy needs to protect his crew,that's his responsibility as the captain,he wasn't strong enough to protect them so he failed
Lili was evil. Lilith is the Evil Vegapunk, 100 chapters after Vivi's introduction is the chapter "Crocodile-ish", and Crocodile is introduced holding a lily.
Given the amount of reverence Imu shows Lili, I'd say she was essentially the leader of the villain faction. This also raises uncomfortable questions about Joyboy himself. What was the promise to fishman island? What was the purpose of the Noah? I think it may be darker than any of you realize. The Noah was meant to save animals, not humans. Lili wanted to sink the world in order to reset humanity, because human expansion was causing mass extinctions of animals. And in the end Joyboy fought against her and the rest of his nakama, save for the handful who sided with him. The Gorosei and Imu are the nakama who sided with Lili.
The evidence is so out in the open with this one. The entire ideology of Amazon Lily revolves around survival of the fittest. Natural population control. The human hunting games are essentially this on a much bigger scale. Survival of the fittest taken to the absolute extreme. The Gorosei show contempt towards technology and express the opinion that the sciences regressing isn't necessarily bad for them. Then there's the war god of the environment. Likely Lili's position.
If you take the parallels between the Red Scabbards and Joyboy's old crew, you could speculate that Joyboy has a traitor among his crew. Maybe they'll be the ancestors of people like Blackbeard.
I believe that the reason they failed is that they did not sacrifice Joyboy, there came a point much like the recent chapter where the only way to suceed would be involve killing Joyboy (luffy) and the crew could not do it. The crew will learn this that the only reason why the last crew failed is they could not follow their captain into death, but this crew will allow the sacrifice and Luffy's death will be a fitting resolution.
Morj predicted the raid failing he was just 800 years to late
That actually makes sense tho. Robot could be Franky, Zunesha Chopper, Ryuma Zoro, but what about the rest of them
I think you're right that JoyBoy's crew failed him, but I think the failure is that they didn't have faith in him. This is the way to most easily highlight the Strawhats strength, and its sort of subtly there since Squard at Marine Ford. JoyBoy was betrayed. His crew was tricked into believing JoyBoy was becoming something he wasn't, and that wavering cost him the war. But as Wano shows us, the Strawhats won't waver even a bit.
We heard about Joyboy at fishman island, not in the last few hundred chapters
I always wanted zunesha to be the first animal who ate choppers fruit also was a doctor and at some
Crucial point lost control and stayed in its final point for 900years
I personally believe that just like there was an imposter in the 9 scabbards, there would've been in the Joyboy's crew, someone who was set up by the current world government in disguise. That person could also be a shape shifting monster such as how people speculate that Blackbeard actually has multiple personalities.
Sometimes you say the most ridiculous things. "Doflamingo and Enel were based on the Gorosei and Imu" Man that's literally just a leader figure and his lieutenants. The way One Piece theorists try to claim the most banal things are "foreshadowing" or plot echoes is so cringe
That's true luffys crew was exceptional but it is also because Luffy was extra ordinary he drove his crew to their fullest...the greatest swordsman,cook navigator,doctor,sniper,musician,shipwright Luffy encourage the best out of them
Joyboy was created out of one necessity: a backflash for what happened in the ancient kingdom. How the world fell under the WG will be explained through a flashback to Jpy Boy and it will be connected to the present. Just like Oden's failure to stop Kaido had very bad consequences for Wano and was connected to the present, the people of the present had to make his fsilure up and stop Kaido. So did Joyboys defeat versus the five elders and Imu lead to the creation of the WG and has to be stopped by the people of the present connected to Joyboy somehow.
If there's one thing Oda isn't, is that he's subtle. At a micro scale, we're seeing the story of a crew with Lucci & CP0.
joy boy didn't had plot armor
I could see it being that the crew adds one final member. For once the crew is gun-ho about the member but luffy isn’t and needs convincing. That final member ends up being the one who splinters the crew from luffy. It could be very similar to the Joyboy story except (obviously) luffy and crew don’t let it destroy the crew entirely and come together at the end. The history is similar to the present but not parallel
Let the video go on, went to take a piss, then I walked my dog in the yard for a bit, came back and he was talking about the same thing. Rewinded the video and I missed nothing, lol.