I don't like that 5 elders are now taking action because they should have done it sooner. For Marineford War or Luffy having the Sun God fruit all this time and not eliminate him before he awaken it.
Oh, you are going to be so disappointed once we find out that their "immortality" turns out to be some df power effect and can easily be countered by seastone cuffs or the seawater themselves. In fact, seeing how OP their DF powers are, I think seastone/water effects on them are multiplied.
Doflamingo's monologue in impeldown makes even more sense. "Tell the celestial dragons that they will be dragged down to the hell from their high heavens".
@@申月営無営月無営有申 cause ,he is the only person that knows the world government from inside out. If he knows what the TREASURE of the holy land is, then the knowledge about the reality of gorosei, the person sitting on the throne that is supposed to be empty, all these may not be news for him. It amazes me how much that crooked bastard knows that he hasn't revealed. It makes sense for the most important player of the underworld to know such things.
Whitebeard already said when will the final war start," the moment someone finds that TREASURE, the gauntlet will be thrown, and a gigantic war will start that will embroil the entire world in a day. You( sengoku) and the world government are scared of that. Someone will definitely find that treasure and throw the gauntlet". The moment luffy finds the one piece, it will be the quintessential moment that will mark the beginning of the endgame.
@@TheHawk4Light At this point everyone moved before dragon 😂 we might even see the godvally flashback and see Bogard fight before we ever see dragon do anything
It obviously makes sense why Dragon hasn’t done anything but he is still not very likeable character my man has done nothing for over 1000 chapters reason or no reason you are gonna get some hate. Especially when his father and Son are the definition of standing one business despite the odds and the despite the opponent. He will likely make it up but until then the memes and the Dragon slander shall continue.
There was actually a pirate that disturbed the Gorosei enough, that was doflamingo blackmailing them with his knowledge of their taboos. And look what happened, as soon as it concerned them, they went to Cp0 to handle it instead of leaving it to only the marines.
@john-olivierlukama1548 what? It wasnt about beating him. It was that he had information on their national treasure that they were worried he'd leak. They attempted to kill him before for it as he said and failed. Sure they can send someone strong but they cant reliably take him out without being sure he didnt already store the information somewhere. We are witnessing right now how how delicate an assassination has to be when information is involved. Vegapunk tied it to his death. Doflamingo isnt a threat in terms of sheer power, but his knowledge and the threat it had to their image.
Exactly, Doflamingo threatened them and Celestial dragons couldn't do anything and made him Warlord. Also video doesn't mention Teach's underlings Shiryu and Aokiji low-diffing Garp. Emperors crews are special too.
@@timurjack8773there was no low diff about that, Garp was only injured from preventing Shiryu from injuring Colby, and even after that Aokiji and everyone else was still having a hard time. I'll say this however, I do not believe Aokiji nor Kizaru were fighting at their top form
@@timurjack8773 bad take. Aokiji could probably go toe to toe with garp being trained by him but put on a believable act vs him which I imagine will come out as a sword member later. Remember he filled harps wound with ice probably to prolong it for whatever garp is trying to achieve. Sword guy is good but not that good. One piece fans need to be better and look between the lines with what is going down.
I don’t think the “balance of power” was a lie. I think it was meant in the context of the blue sea world. While it’s obvious how the warlords and marines acted as pillars of the world government, it seemed like the yonko were the opposition. This isn’t the case, they were third pillar propping up the WG albeit unknowingly. They kept each other in check. They were too busy fighting among each other to make a play for the one piece or build a force that could take on the WG. Additionally they acted as great filter taking out potential upstarts in the New World who might cause problems for the WG in the future. Up until Luffy that is. The balance of power wasn’t between pirate and government. It was a balance propping up the aristocracy. Making them untouchable.
This. If I am someone sitting at the top of the world, there's no way i would go down there to deal with every insect... 😂 just let the lapdog deal with them instead.
They don't consider themselves part of the world. They consider themselves above the world. It's why they don't add their numbers to the world. Governments total because they own the world government they're not part of it
This also explains why Dragon has been so inactive: he knows how the world really works and that all this pirate drama is just a distraction from the true enemy. He's got his eyes on the real enemy and has to build up as much as possible and wait until the proper time to make his move.
Celestial dragons want control from behind the scenes. Make sense why they wouldnt want to use their power. Its about controlling the narrative and the people, not just reigning down power on everyone
I'm not caught up, can you explain, are the gorosei really stronger than say kaido each of them...or is it the same overhype we get after each villian. If they beat kaido then the balance is off. I liked the balance.
@@nichescenes Id say each is at least comparable to Kaido; there is an arguement to be made that, in terms of fighting strength, they are perhaps a bit below Kaido; but then on top of that they have the ability to regenerate from anything. Which on top of their strength, yes, would put them above Kaido as a threat.
@@loganeliottt762 I got spoiled by that but that alone ain't a big deal. Like logia used to be like that sorta. And kaido took damage but rarely mattered, doflamingo can string heal, luffy can eat meat and heal, (now that I think about it, luffy healing a wound by croc back in the day might have been leaks of gear 5 and him just thinking he's healed so he is cause rubber can just stretch over wounds in his head. XD.
@@TheLadyFl3x OK, im not gonna dive too much into it, took me like half a month of not reading to finally become anime only and the anime is much better when you don't know what's going to happen. You tend to not mind the slow pacing or dragging anymore if your trying to decifer the plot. Anyway, I still feel sceptical of them being a group of kaido level bad guys. It just makes the power scaling weird that said it makes sense too. People claimed luffy would have no enemies worthy and oda proved he could without just inventing new enemies like other series do to drag things out. Good job on that one. Still think regen alone ain't enough to call them top of strength (did they recon that kaido/whitebeard/gold d were ceilings?) Whitebeard in prime I mean.
@@arturmagomedov4849 or why don't the yonkos go up the grandline and try to attack the wg since they're the current rulers of the ENTIRE world and we already saw that yonkos are willing to rule the world? Btw the wg hq isn't on a remote unfindable island, they're on the center of the world, it's easier for the yonko to find them don't you think?
@@55pm Because of Marines, without them the World Government loses majority of its power. Plus, that’s how the power balance works, as soon as one of the emperor’s will make such a big move the remaining three will attack them while they are at their most vulnerable. And even with all of that, Kaido and Big Mom were actually planning to attempt it once their alliance was complete. I’m not saying they would of succeeded, (because they definitely wouldn’t have) I am just saying they were confident enough in their power to try to do it.
they shoukd care though because the more yonko the more trouble they’ll have during the final war which they know will come. they should try to defeat the strongest but plot has to go on
@@55pm The Yonkous all know how strong the WG is. Kaidou, Big Mom, and Whitebeard were all part of Rocks and attacked God's Valley. They know about the God's Knights. They know how strong you have to be to take on the WG. And they all know they'll lose. That's why Big Mom needed the Giants, why Kaido needed to subjugate other crews, get smiles, and that's why they formed the alliance. It was the only way they'd have enough power to think they might win.
The truth is, we know the world government is more powerful regardless of the scaling because they are in control of the world. People be way too focused on power scaling.
People tends to forgets the power of propaganda. The WG have been the victor all along not only because they have op fighters but because they have rooted themself in the narratives as "the good guy". In the eye of the regular folks, Marines are good, pirates are bad.
@@zoovaado7759as far as we know that fruit has been around for 900 years and it has only awakened once when joyboy unlocked its true power an unknown amountseof years ago, its likely that the gorosei through that luffy was just going to be another user of It failing to awaken its true power
10:45 this makes a lot of sense and explains the importance of the revolutionary army attacking their food supply. What we are seeing now in One Piece is the first real interruption to the the livelihood of the Celestial Dragons
I actually have the theory that Kaido did face off against them before and suffered a crushing defeat, which turned him into the depressed drunk we know him as today. We know Kaido was very different back in the day from Alber's flashback, but as of right now we have no knowledge on what caused his demeanor to change so drastically over the years. We also know Kaido's end goal was a total war to bring down the government and his obsession with strength makes a lot more sense when we assume he actually knows what he is up against. If we further expand on this, said defeat could also be what caused Kaido to give up on his ambitions of being Joy Boy (his shift in demeanor). We know he has been staying in Wano for very specific reasons (as stated during his confrontation with Yamato) and I assume that is because he knew Wano would be the place where the actual Joy Boy was destined to reemerge. As such Kaido now acted as sort of a gatekeeper for the title, he knew what Joy Boy would be up against, he knew he himself was not strong enough to overcome this foe and so he came to the conclusion that the real Joy Boy would have to be stronger than him to stand a chance. With that mindset he tested many over the years, beating every single one of them. Over the years he started to lose hope that Joy Boy would ever come, further fueling his depression, until he met Luffy. Luffy was the first to actually give him a good fight in a very long time and Kaido seemed genuinely happy about it. My interpretation is that Kaido actually had hopes Luffy might be the one to take him down and become the next Joy Boy, which would also explain his disappointed look and the comment "turns out you couldn't be Joy Boy either" when he thought he had beaten him. This would also serve as an explanation for why Kaido didn't just dodge Luffy's Bajrang Gun, instead he put all his strength into trying to withstand it sort of as a final test for Luffy. I actually believe Kaido wanted to lose this fight. So yeah, I'm probaply reading way too much into this character, but I think this would make sense as an explanation for both Kaido's backstory and the final clash between him and Luffy being the way it was. And that's the fun in theories, now let's see Oda dismantle every word I said when he reveals Kaido's actual backstory lol
I think when Oda decided to completely wreck his "Trinitas" by showing how utterly broken the Gorosei are, thereby showing how easily the other 2 forces can be obliterated, he really raised the bar for the last arc and shits are getting real.
Im not caught up, how are they so strong to people, what are their feats, we saw pica pick up huge things, luffy can punch with the fist the size of an island, and we know white beard was the strongest in the past along with people like G roger. Are the gorosei stronger than kaido and roger...this makes no sense. what did they do.
@@nichescenesif you’re cool with getting spoiled, Luffy and the giants are incapable of doing ANYTHING to the Gorosei currently, they have the best regeneration in the series so far
@@nichescenes then please catch up and watch the whole video mate. How things played out in Eggheads has changed OP compared to previous arcs. Characters like WB and Kaido were indeed strong for the majority of OP with their feats and their strongest titles, but how Oda portraits the Gororseis in mere dozens of chapters make Kaidos feats look like childplay imo. If I were to make an example for u, imagine instead of Luffy, but WB and Kaido are now hopeless to deal any damage to the goroseis.
@@thkhoa8805 I dont wanna spoil just wanted hints, so i didn't watch whole thing. I took a break so I could become anime only and enjoy the series more. You don't notice padding when you do that as much at least. I think I might just try avoid all one piece news but I heard one piece will be revealed soon so I don't wanna be spoiled. Maybe ill get an app that removes one piece from stuff.
Democracy is really just a front for the rich to rule over everyone while the lower class (99.999999% of the population) fights against itself over social issues that don't affect them. We tire ourselves out by punching each other when in reality the most we can do to affect the elite is make them lose a couple inconsequential millions of $.
Whitebeard was one foot in the grave when he arrived at Marineford, and got an 8 foot long sword through the heart before facing his first admiral there.
And still 2 shotted Akainu, but couldn't 2 shot Teach, Akainu's face attack is overrated Kuma tanked that. Also video should mention Teach's underlings Shiryu and Aokiji low-diffing Garp, Emperors crew shouldn't be underestimated.
@@timurjack8773 WB sneak attacks akainu from the back, akainu eats it and then proceeds to take half his head off, akainu then takes an island shuttering blow and came back to wreck the entire WB crew. Teach with two fruits and his entire ran away from just Akainu. Kuma was a zombie cyborg walking. You now wank Aokiji, but he was a former admiral and was wrecked by akainu. The fight on hachinosu was basically Kuzan vs garp, the other BB pirates were fodder in comparison.
@@videoshunterhunter9441 do you know the meaning of the word sneaky, akainu walked straight in front of WB. Not from behind, in front while even talking shit and gave him that donut creating fist.
@@Mosaic-xerox What the hell are you talking about dude ??! WB was indeed behind Akainu, but stamped his sword-stick on the ground in front of Akainu while he was chasing after Luffy... like WB noticed that and also moved to block his path... After stamping the ground before Akainu, WB let him a moment even long enough to gently turn back and face his opponent but during this whole moment, Akainu was litteraly so freezed in terror that he had difficulty turning only his head to face the old man. It's never like WB smatched Akainu from the back by surprise or something!! Akainu was simply surprised and afraid (knowing WB would be pissed as hell) that the old man made it so quick to him in this large battlefield despite all the injuries (WB was litteraly at the front side probably 2 to 3 miles away telling his crew to go while he handle the marine!). Plus, one watchful would noticed that the series of magma punch launched to WB at that moment that took part of his face were almost already desperate attacks from Akainu, I can even say that All Akainu attacks during this short fight were desperate attacks, like a man giving all he has awkwardly to escape death (compare his composure while attacking others or even when he had a first small clash with WB himself before Ace's death)... Was it not for WB to be so pissed, he could have dodged the face attack better (the attack was going for all the face), was it not for the heart attacks, Akainu wouldn't even get the chance to punch him in the stomack!! One piece is a manga/anime were details are really crititical yet people don't mind watching it with detail-oriented eyes and you will see them fooling around talking nonsense! You, go watch ep 484 well to consider these small yet relevaat facts properly to avoid telling sh*t here!!! Plus... Teach and his crew ran away from AKAINU???!!! Naaah that one finished me! You must really be kidding! Bruh, Teach and his crew ran away from SHANKS and his crew!!!! I won't even waste more time explaining that!.. Go watch this arc again damn!!!
It was ALWAYS suspicious that the WG had people that were like 1/4th the strength of ONE SINGLE half dead yonkou and his crew. That the gorosei needed to use shichibukai to do what they themselves could have done was always kinda stupid to me. To have these powers just roam 'under control' in their systems makes soo much more sense.
Yup, it wouldn't make sense to put the navy at risk without using all thier might , if they were truly democratic as they claim the world to be, Imu simply doesn't care about the so called humans
why working yourself if you can have subordinates to dig in the dirt and work their fingers to the bone (and can be replaced easily)? why should kings and lords do the peasants work=
Because Shishibukai, altrough they undermined the WG in the end, were of great help. First, They were pirates themselves so they will fight dirty and use every trick they can, because they know the enemies they are dealing with. Imagine how much pirates people like Crocodile, Moria and Doflamingo for example defeated in their island? Doffy and Moria had tons of pirates trapped in their islands. Number 2: why execute or imprison great fighters, when they can fight by your side? Number 3: a part of what they plunder from non-allied nations even goes to the WG. So basically, the WG won in every corner. They dont need it anymore since they can use scientic weapons now, but before it, they should use every trick they could.
I think even though the WG with Admirals and Gorosei and everyone else could technically take out all the yonko and their crews, to the WG it’s more about keeping that common enemy of pirates they can sort of use to rule over the common citizens with fear. Part of the reason people on the islands in the one piece world don’t leave the island and travel to others is because of a fear of pirates even if it’s a baseless fear or not other than the fear of just the rough seas the fear of pirates is a big thing that keeps the island separated and from joining together.
Mostly because Oda is very good at narrative powerscaling. Not the typical powerscaling we're used to. It's like how Oda can easily say King vs Katakuri is close because they are both 1st Yonko Commander tier, but regular powerscalers say Katakuri gets dunked on by King cause of powercliffing. I can bet that Oda has the relative power tier set for each character set, that's why Admirals and Yonko is contentious because the scope of the tier is that Yonko and Admirals have overlapping power levels with Yonkos slightly edging on top, but this slight edge isn't so big that any Yonko can solo two Admirals.
I started watching one piece when it first Aired....I'm now a 33 year old man and still read and watch it weekly. I can't phathom a world where the anime I've had for more of my life then not is finally over.
26 here, op after time skip became continuously worse and fan boys say one piece only gets good after 800 episodes while the opposite is true. I hope Oda just game of thrones s8, the only fun you can have with the show is to see more and more people realize how stupid everything has become
Even by the end this analysis is extremely generous to the yonko. They are not an united front, at most the celestial dragons would only need to take two at a time.
They can't go for the yonko unless they go for all of them simultaniously. Other way the other yonko could know that and try to destroy and take marineford
Pirate side is being vastly underestimated here. A scenario where the WG moves in full-force to takeover would more than likely prompt ALL pirates (including the Warlords) to band together and fight back in response. There are individual commanders who can fight admirals on their own before you even get to the Yonkou. That’s before you even get to other parties like the Revolutionaries (who we’ve also seen contend with admirals), Rayleigh, Mihawk, and Yamato. The admirals probably wouldn’t even get to take on the emperors at all. They’d be far too busy. Kaido also STILL has far and away the best showing of anyone who has fought Gear 5 Luffy. Way better than Saturn or any other Gorosei so far. It’s way too early for this. lol
"Pirates" aren't a collective that would band together as single unified army like that, are you kidding me? You think Blackbeard is going to show up reporting for battle to Commodore Dragon of the Pirate Army? You think Doffy would put aside his differences and team up with his old nemesis Luffy just because the WG has gone too far this time? The whole point of the Straw Hats (and the Whitebeard Pirates before them) is that they ACTUALLY fill people with loyalty and trust. The reason why the Straw Hats will be able to come out on top at the end of this war is because they created so many powerful allies who will come to their aid. Kaido or Big Mom don't have anything remotely like that, they rule through fear and fragile political alliances, and would be abandoned on the spot by their allies if push comes to shove.
Except the point of the story is that this scenario you imagined where all the pirates and revolutionaries and associated characters like Yamato etc band together to fight the WG...that's literally only going to happen because of Luffy. It would never magically happen in a vaccuum because that's the whole reason the story of Luffy is being written. Finally there will be someone who can bring the world together to fight back against evil but without Luffy that wouldnt happen, as that's a major part of his role and purpose in general.
@@OdekoMoon we’ve already seen TONS of pirate alliances between people who aren’t best friends and don’t really trust each other but have the same enemy or objective. ABSOLUTELY the pirates are all fighting the WG together if they come down to take over everything. No question whatsoever.
@@MrMorjthe “point of the story” isn’t really the deciding factor here. There’s no way the Pirate world lets itself be outmatched and overrun by the World Government when it’s obvious that coming together is their only play for survival just because Luffy doesn’t exist. Pirates haven’t done that because they haven’t had to, but in this hypothetical scenario you’re suggesting where the WG behaves differently, the pirates most likely would have too.
@@BryGuyJohn The only successful pirate alliances we’ve seen between strong pirates have been formed by characters like Whitebeard, Luffy, or Dragon. The story has gone out of its way to highlight how ineffective, fragile, or self-destructive every other alliance has been because they weren’t based on trust or mutual respect. The Rocks pirates imploded immediately, Kaido and Big Mom’s crews actively sabotaged each other, the Seven Warlords barely got off their ass to punch a few goons when the WG called them in to Marineford. The most effective one is probably Cross Guild, and that’s only working for now because they haven’t had any huge challengers yet and Mihawk doesn’t mind letting Croc call the shots because it makes his life easier. This is a recurring message in the story, and it’s one of the things that sets Luffy apart. If anyone could bring all the freedom-loving people of the world together to fight the WG, it wouldn’t be such an impressive feat when Luffy finally pulls it off.
Got me thinking about the meaning of the story. Basically both sides are completely captured and controlled without knowing it. Nothing can be done physically to overcome this. Only can you rise above this in spirit.
Icl the video title caught me off guard but I have to agree that the World Government is overall vastly superior if u include all of their forces. Good video Morj
The World Government is insanely powerful. Excluding the Mother Flame and presumably Uranus, by the time of the dissolution of the warlords they have: All the Cipher Pol which are definitely quite numerous including the powerful agents of CP0 such as Lucci and Kaku who are both confirmed awakened zoans, the legions of marines as well as SWORD, the different versions of the Pacifista including the Mark 3s, the Vice Admirals who vary in strength but are all users of both types of Haki, the 7 Seraphim, the 3 admirals, the fleet admiral, the old trio of Garp, Sengoku and Tsuru, the God’s knights, the Commander in Chief Kong, the Gorosei and Imu. That's a force with hundreds of thousands of soldiers as almost all marines during marineford were officers and there were 100 thousand of them, as well as numerous fighters capable of fighting the officers and commanders of yonko crews, let alone probably over a dozen top tiers. I am not even sure if all 7 yonko crews we saw and the revolutionary army combined at their peak strength since the pre timeskip could win in an all out war with all their allies (no ancient weapons) even being generous towards Big Mom by allowing her to use advanced conquerors haki and towards Whitebeard by allowing him to be healthy.
Nah, the Gorosei were worried about making Kaido angry, used a sneak attack to weaken Whitebeard with Square, etc. Luffy manhandled Saturn and Kizaru simultaneously. 😂
The gorosei didn’t sneak attack wb. That was akainu. If we’re being honest the marines curbstomped the whitebeard pirates even with a revolutionary command and former schichibukai. They lost their captain, second commander, and othe commanders were crippled while the navy didn’t lose a single notable. Ombatant
On marineford, the marines wrecked WB and his people with men to spare, if shanks didn’t appear, Blackbeard also gets wrecked too 😂shit I will throw in shanks too, he leaves with damage if he engaged
They wouldn't want to piss off Kaido because they're already spinning a hundred plates at once, dealing with an enraged Kaido would still be a major headache even with the Gorosei fighting directly (plus the risk of pushing Kaido far enough to awaken his DF, and nobody can tell what would happen then).
@@CantusTropus my point is if each of the Gorosei were stronger than Kaido like Morj is trying to imply, they could easily just jump him and take him out. Even 3v1 would be overwhelming.
@@cygnusprime6728 the gorosei are dealing with gear 5 luffy who is arguably stronger after wano, gear 5 took out kaido, but it’s not doing shit to the gorosei. Another reason why luffy wants to run, he is not doing lasting damage and they will lose if they stay.
"Yonko cant beat 2 Admirals" While luffy kicking Kizaru and Saturn "Stronger than emperor" in a 2v1 fight. Dorry and Broggy easily stopped every Gorosei but he claimed that emperor are like kid compared to Gorosei💀 The only problem in their power is immortality but in term of power, theyre not close to s yonko like Kaido "Police level" Marines are scared that they need the entire navy and Shichibukai just to stop Whitebeard. They know the power of yonko but Whitebeard is just getting old
It's not as simple as pitting all their top tiers against the Yonko. They're also fighting a full-scale war and countless smaller crews and rebellions. The World Government is spread thin logistically, like Rome. Could crush any rival, but not all at once without losing control of their own territory to a degree.
It would be more reasonable to say they don't send their forces after the yonko because it could lead to a dangerous allaince between them(they've teamed up for less).
@@ΚρανίΩif you’re getting hit and you just regenerate like nothing ever happened, that means you’re not getting whopped. Power comes in a lot ways, not necessary like kaido and big mom who where mainly brute force, but also through haks like Marcos regen or laws fruit
So far the Gorosei are more like damage sponges than truly powerful enemies, since if it weren't for their regeneration two of them would have already been defeated
It's hard to tell though. Since they can regenerate from anything, they don't really need to dodge or block attacks. In the Davy Back Fight arc, Luffy "destroys" Aokiji, who then regenerate. I wouldn't say that "if it weren't for that regeneration, Luffy would have defeated Aokiji".
@lilsupaSSR their agendas won't accept what jimbei said they all skipped it but if it was shanks or any of the yonkos it would be the talk of the community
Yup and even in Marineford, the navy and shichibukai pretty much BULLIED the Whitebeard pirates. Lost their captain and future Captain. One of the commanders lost an arm and other, the will to fight. Meanwhile the marines suffered zero notable casualties even tho Whitebeard pirates had outside help.
I think you read another manga 😂😂😂 Whitebeard was half dead on arrival and got stabbed by his own guy. Marco was nerfed by handcuffs so he wouldn’t BULLY Kizaru further as you like to say. Sengoku also called the full stop cuz he didn’t want smoke with the Red Hair pirates there too. Calm down with your hyperbole, brother.
@@suneelj93Marcois ass compared to an admiral. It’s already been shown he’s about two yonko commanders level but not at the level of an admiral or yonko.
NO. Chapter 1109-1110 confirmed they are comparable to Yonkou level. They are definitely higher than admiral level. Just from Saturn being unfazed fighting Luffy while Kizaru is stomped by gear 5 is proof. We've already witnessed how little the admirals fare against the Yonkou. Sick wounded Whitebeard almost beat Akainu. Shanks made Greenbull shit himself. Sengoku was wary of a confrontation between Shanks and Kaido. And the vice-admirals? They're not even comparable to Yonkou captains at this point. 10 of them would probably not even be enough to take down Katakuri or King. The holy knights? The God Valley incident is a hint. 100% the God's Knights were there yet they needed Roger's help to beat Rocks and the Yonkous before their primes, so it's safe to assume they're below Yonkou level. Now, with all that said, it solidifies the balance between pirates and the WG. It's true that the full force of the WG could take down the Yonkous ONE AT A TIME but not altogether. And it would be foolish for them to hunt them one by one knowing they'd suffer heavy casualties after each fight. Each Yonkou fight could reduce WG by a quarter or more.
Nothing has shown them to be Yonko level? They still haven’t landed a hit on Luffy the only reason he hasn’t defeated them is just bc he doesn’t know how to hurt them. Gorosei and Marines sweat at the idea of 2 Yonko teaming up which this video totally ignored. Short version is he’s overblowing the strength of the WG a little while underestimating the Yonko’s forces Imu is too high based off of nothing. It’s one thing to go by narrative but he’s ignoring Imu+5 Gorosei failed to capture Sabo that’s bad portrayal. I’m not saying he isn’t as strong as a Yonko, I’d even put him ahead of Kaido but not over Shanks. Morj puts him potentially over Roger that’s a double?? Shanks is stupidly powerful which by extension makes his underlings that much stronger and Elbaf is called the strongest country. Dory and Bogy likely aren’t the strongest giants and they’re already shown to be relatively powerful. Shanks is allied with Elbaf but even ignoring Elbaf all 4 is still likely too much or at least would cause so much damage to take down it wouldn’t be worth it. Mihawk would ally with Shanks with a big factor in how the Warlords were unreliable, you could even argue all of them might decide to favor the pirate side which would be very bad for the WG
I wonder if blackbeard's dark fruit can completely nullify the gorosei's immortality. Wether their immortality is a devil fruit abilty or race ability.
Definitely makes sense as you compared our world. I'm sure it's similar in some aspects. There are people we don't know about who have crazy,amount of power and mass destruction but they aren't coming down to destroy mafias, cartels and even corrupt countries. Even if they could...
It would if the author actually wrote the series with the intent from the start. The reactions of the elders don’t match the nonchalant “oh let the police handle it” throughout the story that morj is painting. Oda is just retroactively making everyone else look small and insignificant in comparison. Power creep.
@@tutorialboss4090 Power creeping was bound to exist when the story establish the protagonist and its sup characters as being weaker. The thing is, Oda did a decent job at justifying their lack of action. The existance of the emperors is not hurting them. Them letting the marines and so on handling it, doesnt hurt the image because Oda established that they werent hurting the system that they represent and protect. The WG had the aegis go to wano, under kaido control, and make sure that they would keep up doing business with them. One of the aegis masked members is also an important figure in the underworld (stussy)
@@tutorialboss4090 Its the Five Elders job to pay attention and direct the whole world. Them being concerned about Kaido and Big Mom teaming up doesn't mean "this could be a physical threat to Marijoa," it means the delicate balance of power of the world is getting disturbed, which will have negative consequences. People in absolute power love the status quo, and are cautious of anything that disturbs it. And look, within a month they all had to get off their asses and teleport down to the Blue Sea to fight a Yonko and their big secret is about to be revealed, leading to a complete upheaval of the status quo. They were RIGHT to be concerned, regardless of the Celestial Dragon's total power level.
Marines handled one yonko crew pretty easily even than akainu was the only admiral that was ever serious if kizaru and aokji were serious than whole whitebeard crew would have been slaughtered very fast
If the gorosei were so powerful why they struggle dealing with xebec?why dont they stop roger from finding one piece?why they cant kill sabo at marijoa?why they need holy knight if they strong enough to deal with everyone?...trust me gorosei must have some kind of limit to their power that make them keep watching all this time rather then interfering with their problems.
What do you mean they struggled with Rocks he just attacked the celestial Dragon's. Roger and Garp needed to team up to beat them and the Gods knights were also there, but there is no evidence that the gorosei were involved. They were in a small rom where they couldn't move properly and if the went past the throne everyone representative would have seen them. Why should the gorosei get their hands dirty all the time when they can just have others do that for them.
I think you are oversimplifying a bit. Like we know in war, it's not about the stats on paper. USA lost in Vietnam and Russia right now is at a standstill with Ukraine. The Roman empire was taken down by a couple raiders. If we can assume the gorosei are not actually invincible and there's a way to kill them, after 800 years, if they were out there scrapping, someone would have figured out their secret by now. Also you are using the old generation of yonkos that are not in their prime. Just imagine 20-30 years ago when Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki, Whitebeard, Roger, Oden, Rocks, all were in their prime. Or even now with Luffy, Blackbeard, Cross Guild, Shanks, etc plus the yonko commanders. Sure maybe the world government can win, which is why they rule the world but if they had to fight forces like this for 800 years, they couldn't have made.
I have multiple problems with this: First the Gorosei themselves have shown some kind of hesitation (to call it lightly) dealing with the yonko directly as for example the cover card saying the Gorosei fear a enraged shanks or the Gorosei showing some kind of regret having to draw Kaido’s wrath against them when they sent their cp0 agent to disturb the luffy and Kaido fight (important: they are talking to themselves so there is no reason to lie to themselves) Secondly the balance of power is even acknowledged by them and in their biggest interest to keep up so if they wouldn’t even fear the yonko then why would they try to maintain any kind of it. It‘s not beneficial for them if they wouldn’t have any kind of fear for the yonko. Also finally: We know the Celestial Dragons greed, but the fact that territories of yonko‘s exist where they CD‘s can‘t take any taxes or even more importantly control over (so basically the half of whole new world not being in their control) proves that they have a fear of the yonko. And it‘s also repeatedly acknowledged by the Gorosei themselves that they true to prevent or oversee the alliances of yonko‘s which again Hammer down a kind of fear for the balance of power. Saying it‘s fake when taking the world government into consideration doesn‘t really make sense when the Gorosei themselves have acknowledged it and put great importance on the maintenance of it.
Thank you, Morj is making his own agenda. Luffy is currently taking on an admiral and a member of the gorosei by himself, meanwhile Kaido was too strong for Luffy to even fight someone else. Not mention, Gorosei members seem to have a special hax that prevent them from being injured. We saw with Kaido that it was raw strength and Hak thay played out with him. That means, we cannot draw conclusion without full context of their power. So assuming they're stronger than any yonko is a Bad take tbh
Some interesting points you mention there! On the other hand, there's arguments to bring against them. CP0: to me it seemed they were more concerned with having to sacrifice one of their top agents in such a manner. But they were more scared/concerned of Nika being awakened rather than Kaido's wrath/Kaido itself. Kaido and Orochi were useful to them because they could extract sea prism via them, knowing fully well that Kaido is building up his forces. I don't think they would do that, if they couldn't handle Kaido themselves if their proxy, the Marines couldn't. Balance of Power: Morj himself states how it does both, exist and doesn't exist, it only exists between the Marines and Yonkou. The Gorosei, Imu, God's knights are more of a nuclear, very last resort option, only taken when they themselves are in danger. Them being in danger means that Mariejoa gets affected, disturbs their income, food supply. They want to live in luxury, without care, seeing anyone below as not worth their time,they don't want to get "their hands dirty" on "commoners" /"insects". So they are interested that the Marines are buffed up enough to do their dirty work for them, keep the blue seas balance of power alive... It serves them as well if there's some controlled conflict and pirates roaming around... They can label anyone going against them as evil pirate, while portraying and establishing the marines as the good heroes, and in turn, portraying themselves in a good light. As the Marines are, in the people s mind, the extension of the WG. And even if the Marines were to fuck up something, the government can easily switch out people, claim how this or that Marine was a traitor or corrupted individual without it necessarily harming the WC reputation. The Marines are a great political asset. With the way they work, the government has a first wave enforcer that they can use to put glory on themselves, however at the same time, the Marines are portrayed as independent enough (for the blue seas people) that when they fuck up, the WG can use them as a scapegoat. Sure the reputation might be tarnished for a moment, but people are easily distracted when the WG replaces the ones who fucked up and the new ones become new heroes.
So let me get this straight. Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard, Shanks with all their forces would lose to the WG. But Luffy with Usopp, Chopper and Nami with a few Dressrosa colosseum fighters who could barely beat Doflamingo officers are going to do it. k.
Yup, I agree. Because, yes, the gorosei have a lot of people brainwashed and under their controlled, but not to the point of going on an all out pirate purge and having everyone mindlessly follow. Ithink certain marines like Garp, Aokiji, Koby and Sword, Fujitora, etc would switch sides, or at least not fight with the gorosei. Also, why would we assume the warlords would fight alongside the gorosei on a PIRATE PURGE, knowing they are pirates as well lol.
In addition to the forces you mentioned, there are also: Kong, all CP 9-1 forces, celestial dragon guards (we saw them e.g. during the auction), other agents (they follow dragons everywhere) and I think that Imu also has his own personal guard - I think the woman who informed him about Gorosei arrival is one of them and I doubt she is weak.
I can't really swallow everything in this video. We actually do not know how strong the Gorosei are. Luffy is an emperor and they have so far been unable to take him down. Their regeneration is what is holding them. And we do not know if other emperors like Shanks can permanently hurt them. It is still too early. If Kuma can punch one of them so hard that their limbs get torn off, then maybe we should wait before we say definitively how strong they are
Even if you downplay the shit out of the Gorosei and put them at Kid's level, they are going to eventually outlast any Yonko. If Luffy at full power cannot deal with them, Kaido and Big Mom cannot hurt them either.
Luffy is an exception among the emperors, his feats don't reflect "standard yonko feats". Luffy is Joyboy reincarnate, Nika, etc. That's why I exclusively talked about the four OG emperors in my examples. Whereas Luffy can handle multiple admiral-level opponents, Big Mom clearly struggled with just Kid and Law, and WB struggled in 1v1's with admirals. Kaido was also explicitly shown to be about equal to Big Mom 1v1 from their duel. Most of this suggests that the previous gen of Yonko could not take down multiple admirals at the same time, but to be completely fair I even included the most generous interpretation that each Yonko is equal to three admirals, and even under that interpretation it's clear the WG still have too much on their side.
Okay but we KNOW old Whitebeard AND Big Mom can't beat more than 2 Admirals at the same time. So Akainu and Kizaru is enough. We saw Big Mom lose to Kidd and Law + extra, but it's a safe bet that Fujitora AND GREEN BULL can take her Down. So now we have Kaido AND Shanks vs ALL 5 Gorosei, + Garp, + Sengoku!! That is 7 vs 2. AND then there's IMU who we know MUST be even stronger than the Gorosei
@@kidkouga92no its not bro kidd and law won on a technicality big mom wasn't full power never used acoc even tho she was shown to be able to use it and law rn wipes the floor with any admiral so does kidd.
Prime Rocks D Xebec , Prime Gol D Roger (with atleast 1 ancient weapon Pluton) , Prime Whitebeard , Prime Monkey D Garp... if instead of fighting amongst themselves say they would have teamed up with Rocks pirates & Roger pirates non captain memebers as support (eg. Prime Rayleigh has been implied to be superior than Kizaru, Prime Scooper Gaban , Not Prime Kaido , Big Mom , Shikhi etc) + let's add Elbaf's giants army backing them up with Prince Loki leading that group....... then i do see such a combined force in theory will rollover the Marines & Gorosei , God's Knights , Imu their thrones & Mareijois will end up being shaken vigorously. That line up has 3 PK level characters in Prime Xebec , Roger & WB & then there would be Pluton & World's strongest army The Giants Army of Elbaf & Roger pirates & Rocks pirates backing them up. I mean the marines will get annhilated within few minutes & all responsibility will fall on the Gorosei , Imu etc
Also Kong was never hyped up as being that powerful even in his youth. One of his only scenes where he talks in the manga is literally him hyping up Garp and Sengoku, saying they were the best of the marines back then. He is never once played up as having been in their league in the past and especially not now that he is way older lmao
No he hasn’t as Kong appeared in the Kuma flashback. Idk why he has barely shown up but he did show up in the egghead arc so that proves that Oda remembers him.
Yea because those villians were not The pinnacle of piracy and the Gorosei are no where near the Yonkos combat wise They are imortal beings who are strong Also Foxy came after Enel, Enel no diffs foxy Kizaru is stronger than magellan but magellan came after
Great video Morj I feel like you make the most well put together analysis videos of what we actually see in the story and your theories and predictions always make the most sense on a literary basis good stuff
My Imaginary Final matches for SH final fight with Gods Knights 1.Luffy vs IMU 2.Zoro vs Garling - (Garling with Supreme Black Blade & Dimensions control ability) 3.Sanji vs Fastest man in OnePiece - (He is Gods Knight who kidnaps any Girls he wants and he raped them) - (His ability was Speed like flash from DC. He can also use Timeskip) 4.Jinbei vs Megalodon - (He is Gods Knight who can use ancient shark Megalodon's Ability he can also transform into megalodon like zoan user) 5.Brook vs Necromancer - (He is Gods Knight who use Necromancer abilities so basically he can control death peoples and their abilities) - (He also have some legendary character corpse like WB or Roger or Rocks) 6.Franky vs Armor Man - (He is Gods Knight but he's so weak. His powerlevel is like ordinary Celestial dragon level) - (But he is one of the smartest person in OP. He have So many Armor in his collection like Iron man. His armour are all made in Nano technology) - (When he wear a armor his power levels is like wano Zoro level) 7.Chopper vs Wendigo - (He is Gods Knight who use Reindeer monster Wendigo's abilitys he also physically super Strong like Kaido level Strength) 8.Bonney vs Her Biological Father 9. Usopp vs [Girl] DEATH - (She is Gods Knight with Deadly Sniping Skills. Her range is 10KM radius. Her Ammo's is made with Sea prisom Stone and also she infuses arm haki) - (she daily use her Target practice with Slaves. In her lifetime she never miss a single target) - (if She targets someone then even the GOD himself can't help to save that person) 10. Robin vs Assassin - (He is Gods Knight also cipher pol Supreme Commander) - (He can use special ability called CHI BLOCKING. He can block all the Chi points of his Opponent) 11.Nami vs [Girl] Psycho Killer - (She is also a Gods Knight but she is most brutal character in OP. She doesn't like any race besides Celestial dragon) - (if she see a human or any races she kill them very Brutally) - (She also have ability called Torture, With this she can Torture someone in Physically & Mentally in most Brutal way)
Their immorality might be the reason for their strong haki. We know that haki is tied to life energy, the older you get the weaker ur haki gets, and gorosei do not age.
Nah haki is broken system, cant really put much thought into it. Even oda doesnt know exactly how it works. It has never been said nor implied that haki gets weaker with age that i remember
Some truths, some craziness. Until now, none of the Gorousei appear to be on Kaido's level of power and strength. The only advantage so far is the immortality.
If Luffy with Gear 5 and Kaido were on a similar strenght level, and Luffy was destroying 2 admiral-level characters, why is it so crazy to think that prime Yonkos could defeat 3 admirals at the same time?
@@guardiantree8879 Yeah, that's why I said prime yonkos, old WB would probably lose, but prime WB? I could easily see him defeating all the 3 admirals by himself. Prime Sengoku was hinted to be as strong as prime Garp and Roger/WB, so he would be a different case, but average admirals aren't THAT strong
I think you’re missing the point. It wasn’t just the Yonko they were scared of, they were scared of their fleets. All 5 Gorosei were literally shitting themselves when Kaido and BM joined. The beast pirates filled the entire castle of Onigashima which is arguably the size of if not slightly smaller than Marineford as a whole, and at the time, all of Dressrosa, and over a dozen Mythic Zoan DF’s. Big Mom literally has a super sized country composed of all of her children to the point where you could really argue the BM Pirates rival the Navy ALONE. If Big Mom, WB, and Kaido joined forces, I don’t see how the World Govt stand even a slight chance. WB almost killed the strongest admiral while on his death bed meaning Kaido def would have killed Akainu mid-high diff. Being honest tho, King alone could wipe out a majority of the army since only ADV COC can harm him. It’s honestly not even close.
All of their foot soldiers are complete foder and most of BM's children and the Tobi roppo aren't that strong. A single conquers haki attack from a few high tiers from the world coverment side would take them out in a single shot. Same apllies to every yonko crew and most of their officers. That would just leave the Yonkos themselves and their very strongest comanders who can't defeat all of the Admirals, Seraphim, CP0, The Gods knights, The Gorosei and Imu at once
The whole line of reasoning is massively reaching. If they could do anything, they would do that years ago. Unless you think that if they had unlimited source power, they wouldn't use their death star on every single one of their enemies. They couldn't handle yonkos, and that's why they hadn't done that. It's just that simple.
He literally answers this question in the video. If it dosen't impact the Celestial Dragon's they won't join the fight they will just let the marines do their job
@@debater452bruh these People really believe the 4 Yonko's would Solo 5 Gorosei 5 Admirals 9 God Knights 7 Warlords/ Seraphim. Bruh😂 their all have to be like Queen level for that to be true
I mean it seems more and more like everything that is happening is completely by his design. When Luffy drops Imu at the end, the shadow of roger will definitely be felt. Ever notice that Crocus guarda reverse mountain, Rayleigh guards center point at Sabaody, and Shanks guards the new world? The Roger pirates are making a nice lil environment for Joyboy to grow safely in. They up to things bro.
The powerscaling is way harder than what you make it out to be. So Greenbull is an admiral, and he was shitting his pants just from Shanks being a few miles away. No way in hell Greenbull would stand a chance vs Shanks, so if you follow ur cautious approximation.
Sorry Morj, I think you really overestimate the Gorosei’s combat ability. They also wanted to hide their demon identities to prevent mass revolutions around the world because they can’t be in multiple places at once and they don’t like to venture out. You also need to stop disrespecting Big Mom about losing to Law/Kidd when you’re the same guy harping that they had no chance without dynamite doing the work. So which is it, Morj? The Gorosei also will have their regen weakness revealed at some point. They are good at getting hit for now and that’s all. Kaido and Big Mom would have been intimidated by the Gorosei’s haki so they would fight properly from the jump too. It’s also so simplistic to consider entire region occupying pirates as “mafia”. You’re not understanding how they affect economics and what the WG want going on. Also, Sabo managed to escape from all 5 of them while Shanks wasn’t scared to challenge all 5 if he needed to in Mariejois.
He’s right tho…no yonko crew could possible stand up to the full might of the WG…..it’s a reason they have stayed in power for the last 800 years…even if the gorosei aren’t physically as strong they are immortal and they hace admiral level individuals working for them…they have endless soldiers and endless funds and can in theory just constantly wear out their enemy….you telling me kaido, his crew and his army are gonna beat all of cipher pol, the admirals, the gorosei, imu, the gods knights, the shichibukai and the countless vice admirals with wacky powers??
@@mastergoku4321 No ones saying an individual yonko crew could beat the WG. The video claims that the world government can take all the Yonko crews combined which an insane take. They are currently struggling to deal with a single crew,. Then theres the fact he just ignores all context, how many of the marines would continuing fighting for the WG after seeing the Goresai true forms? The seven warlords would all quit instantly and join the yonko since the yonko are the only reason the marines haven't eliminated piracy. We see a first commander mid dif CP0 strongest member, while vice admirals have been fodder ever since the post time skip. Genuinely the only hope the WG would have if all the yonko team up is that they backstab each other.
@@mastergoku4321 The CP agents and vice-admirals are absolute trash compared to Yonko crews. Warlords don’t even deserve to be brought up anymore. They were useless to the WG. If all the Yonko crews teamed up with their allies and attack the Marines they’d be unstoppable. We will see that exact scenario play out when Luffy leads a big army of allies and prob revolutionaries against them. Luffy just made 2 Gorosei look silly while he’s still got major stamina issues and likely is still the weakest Yonko ever besides Buggy.
@@shmeatygWG combined with marines destroy all the Yonkos combined. You really think 5 admirals and 9 warlords. IMU and 5 gorosei, Holy Knights and Garling wouldn't beat all Yonkos combined You're being emotional as you don't wanna admit that time is up for Yonkos
@@arijjavaid323 if you think 5 admirals and 9 warlords would actually fight for the WG then your delusional. this isn't a death-battle, its a story gotta think about context.
loved that u inserted bezos's photo as the celestial dragons, thats literally how i see the story of one piece, ir makes a parallel of the real world (the state is controles by the burgeoise to control and keep the working class as it is)
the WG also keep its own power that's independent from the marines big enough to act as a deterrent to any ideas of military coup since they keep the marines busy with pirates weakening each other while they still hold absolute power, while using the marines as the public protection for people to justify the payments each kingdom needs to do
also small nitpicks, big mom was not "struggling" against kid and law. Oda made sure to show us how impossible and lucky it was for them to defeat big mom with them throwing her out of onigashima and her detonating a bomb by chance while falling. and the WG having to use their god's knights, their gorosei, imu, admirals and vice admirals would not exactly qualify as "easy" for them to defeat the yonkos. espcially when such a case where all yonkos ally with each other and turn against them is their worst case nightmare scenario because that would mean the whole pirate world going against them not just yonko and yonko commanders but like every pirate captain/crew allied to any yonko or independent of them
No he wouldnt. The onigashima war is a story of Luffy trying surpass the biggest foe he ever faced till that point, Kaido. The help Luffy got was ALL and ALWAYS in a context of helping him reach the level Kaido was. Luffy didnt get any form of help and even refused to have anyone to interfere, after he reached a level where he could compete. Kaido aknowledges Luffy reached a stage where he can fight him on a 1v1 before Luffy went Gear 4. Gear 5 on top of its narrative importance, also establishes Luffy as being on a level that surpasses that of Kaido. If that wasnt the case, Kaido would have won. I dare anyone to re-read the battle and show me a moment where Luffy got help after being recognized as being on a level where he could fight Kaido on a 1v1. From the reverie flashback, to the revelations of their forms, the entire arc has served to establish how they are superior to anything the straw hats have faced as of yet.
Depends. If gorosei falls now, BB will. If Gorosei survives BB probably wont be the final villian. Only issue is with this is imu have to be confronted by luffy. Only way this works is if luffy fights imu, almost defeats him, then Bb comes and take over.
I have to say, why do Americans say “The end all, be all” when it should be “The be all, end all” It has to be, then end! That is the whole point of the saying! 😂
Morj, but what about Moria? We can only assume Imu specifically ordered Doffy and the Marines to get rid of him. Only Imu is higher than the 5 Elders. Doesn't that provide an example of the upper aristocracy worrying about a lowly Mafia member.
Yep... this is why I'm not a One Piece RUclipsr. I fact checked chapter 581 and I was wrong. Doffy specifically references Sengoku and this is implied to note someone higher. Could be Kong or it could be the Gorsei. No reference to Imu. Would be cool though if Gorsei wanted Moria's removal because his fruit would be similar to Imu's if Imu had a Nightmare Fruit. If Luffy is sun god (Amaterasu) representative of dreams, Imu would be moon God Zoan (I know there is another significant Japanese moon God) and related to nightmares that happen under the moon. Also relates to your Dawn allegory. "World Government's long night".
I cannot understand how Celestial Dragons with fighting power and strong Haki exist. They don't experience any meaningful conflict to get stronger, i bet most of them fought a fraction of the battles kaidou did.
That also confounds, when born into the lap of excessive luxury: I wonder how they manage to find any who'd want to exert themselves to train and become a God's Knight. Does the job come with even bigger privileges.
There was always two balances. The public world balance: marines + warlords = 4 emeperors. And the secret balance: 4 emperors rivialing each other and keeping anyone from finding the one piece. The secret balance is the one the world govt cares about the most and what yonko fans misinterpret as yonko top 1, when the yonko system is only around to serve the world govt by keeping the true history unreachable. This is the reason why BB, luffy, and buggy were named emperors by the world government because they are supposed to play this role now. Obviously they will not.
I mean, they really are if they're actually completely immortal, i mean, how could kaido ever win? they could literally just keep coming back at him untill he was gassed out.
Bro no one can stand up to the WG….they literally have endless soldiers, weapons and money…the yonko could hold out for a while in a war but would eventually be overwhelmed…it’s a reason no one was able to depose the WG for 800 years
@@23045678 if that was the case WG would have already gotten rid of all the pirates... if its a 1v1 always bet on kaido HELL even if 2 gorosei teamed up kaido would have beaten them 1 way or the other having conqueror's or even the advanced version doesnt mean sh1t if u cant split the skies with it or coat yourself with it and cause something similar to kaido's death destroyer bagua it requires a team effort to beat the yonkos ESPECIALLY kaido who scales at PK level
@@mastergoku4321 dramatical exaggeration... the navy doesnt have enough power to check everything that is happening in the world of one piece currently which was confirmed by aramaki so that means they dont have "literally" endless soldiers do you know who the WG went to to buy weapons??? KAIDO meaning the WG doesnt produce more weapons than kaido, if the so called "nobles" go to the most dangerous and strongest pirate of them all to buy weapons it proves that they RELY on him to make themselves stronger meaning kaido exceeds them in that department + he has an ancient weapon pluton plus now with whats happening on egghead its clear that the WG will lose a significant amount of their weaponary i couldnt agree more with what u said in the end HOWEVER your examples are totally wrong
Nah, im pretty sure the world govemrent WANT pirates around to some degree to give the people of the world another boogyman to fear that isn't them. The ones at the top only care if there lives are impacted. As for kaido 1v1, sure kaidos obviously stronger, but that doesnt mean shit if he literally cant kill them because they're immortal. They're presumably gonna have a weakness, but it might not be something kaido would or could ever work out. @@Laonaadoo
They could’ve taken down the yonko but it’s definitely not a low diff demolish. They were shifting their pants at the idea of two yonko joining together so all 4 joining together with their empires would be a extreme diff war.
They wouldn't join together tho. The yonko don't really like each other if we're with the old the yonko at best big mom and kaido and then shanks and whitebeard would team up. But even then the marine could prolly launch an assault with enough of their forces to at least wipe out 1 of the yonko before the others can react
@@Jay_Guaps Nah I’m saying if the 4 yonko+their Allies fought the WG+Marines it’s not an easy battle for either side. Also them being picked off before meeting up takes the fun out of Vs battles c’mon now
@Dbonesburneraccount I'm saying that never happen tho since the yonko haven't been shown to just team up like tht so they would end up getting picked off in a realistic scenario in terms of context from the story. If it's a hypothetical sure it be a tough fight
Many things make sense, the whole idea of "Why would the world government care?" is great! But the powerscaling of the elders (1) and the whole "they could take down the emperors easily (2) is where I disagree. 1.) Because I feel like we cannot scale them. The main feat that seems overpowered is the fact that they cannot be harmed, as far as we know 'til know. That's super broken ofc. Other than that, Kizaru felt more dangerous for me personally. But Warcury... I don't understand why everyone is impressed tbh. And IF he is the strongest, I can't believe they should be emperor / admiral level. Okay: perform conquerors haki as a non-pirate is insane, as Garp is the only one on navy / WG - side I remember using it. But.. it doesn't do shit against high-level characters. For Luffy it was literally a joke and Boogey and Woogey blocked it, as well as the direct attack afterwards. Yeah.. in my head Kaido / Big Mom / Shanks / Luffy / BB / WB would ALL smacked them away. Luffy doesn't seem to have any problems with the gorosei, other than the fact that they cannot be harmed and his G5 timelimit runs out. I feel like they have very specific strengths paired with their shared immortality. But pure combat-wise.. VERY strong, but not top level. 2.) I agree, that all forces combined should be enough to take out the emperors. Thing is: it's not that easy as portrayed. And I say: not possible. Because there is another thing that is almost never shown and only hinted rarely: The marines have WORK to do! All the time. In my head, if you declare the greatest war we know so far and attack the 4 emperors with every admiral, Garp, Sengoku and even vice captains - ALL located in 1 of the 7 seas.... what do you think pirates all over the world will / could do? Don't even talk about the best chance for dragon and an army of their most dangerous enemys to strike. This war would be INSANLY difficult and risky for them. I don't believe a second that they could wash all yonko away easily and quick. And more importantly: The Gorosei, Imu, the God knights (maybe Kong) have OBVIOUSLY something to protect in Maryjoa. Dragon strikes the second they move, I'm sure. Therefore not possible. Still, I agree that they don't care. Because they know, that the Yonko's won't defeat themselfs. And that means, noone will find all stones to find the one piece. Imu / the WG only really cares about 3 things: 1. Joyboy (=the One Piece) 2. The Revolutionarys and 3. Information / The truth.
Yonkou = marine + world government (god knights included). Its the power balance of the world. If marine + wg could beat all the yonkous, they wouldve done it already.
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I don't like that 5 elders are now taking action because they should have done it sooner. For Marineford War or Luffy having the Sun God fruit all this time and not eliminate him before he awaken it.
Do You Really Believe They Wanted Kaido Knowing About Them He’d Be Challenging Them Every Week Even All 5 Of Them Cant Beat Kaido
The yonkou have buggy now so they're unstoppable
Oh, you are going to be so disappointed once we find out that their "immortality" turns out to be some df power effect and can easily be countered by seastone cuffs or the seawater themselves. In fact, seeing how OP their DF powers are, I think seastone/water effects on them are multiplied.
Doflamingo's monologue in impeldown makes even more sense.
"Tell the celestial dragons that they will be dragged down to the hell from their high heavens".
The fact that Doflamingo Is A Celestial Dragon is crazy too
@@申月営無営月無営有申 cause ,he is the only person that knows the world government from inside out. If he knows what the TREASURE of the holy land is, then the knowledge about the reality of gorosei, the person sitting on the throne that is supposed to be empty, all these may not be news for him. It amazes me how much that crooked bastard knows that he hasn't revealed. It makes sense for the most important player of the underworld to know such things.
Yeps
They are going down
Yeh Kaido also wanted to do that, drag the nobles into war.
You Know One Piece is In the Endgame Once all the Gorosei got off their crusty ahhses after 25+ years
More like infinity war. Endgame will start either when God Knights make thir move or shanks finds one piece or blackbeard gets third DF.
The Gorosei actually moved before Dragon
Whitebeard already said when will the final war start," the moment someone finds that TREASURE, the gauntlet will be thrown, and a gigantic war will start that will embroil the entire world in a day. You( sengoku) and the world government are scared of that. Someone will definitely find that treasure and throw the gauntlet".
The moment luffy finds the one piece, it will be the quintessential moment that will mark the beginning of the endgame.
As soon as luffy awakened his df
@@TheHawk4Light
At this point everyone moved before dragon 😂 we might even see the godvally flashback and see Bogard fight before we ever see dragon do anything
Alr yall we gotta apologize to dragon, he just always knew what was up and is super patient
Exactly. Sabo must have all life time of luck to escape with life intact against emu and gorosei.
I wont until he does something
@@afromarco005 reply again if you watch the previous episode/chapters
@@naenae2350 I did
It obviously makes sense why Dragon hasn’t done anything but he is still not very likeable character my man has done nothing for over 1000 chapters reason or no reason you are gonna get some hate. Especially when his father and Son are the definition of standing one business despite the odds and the despite the opponent. He will likely make it up but until then the memes and the Dragon slander shall continue.
There was actually a pirate that disturbed the Gorosei enough, that was doflamingo blackmailing them with his knowledge of their taboos. And look what happened, as soon as it concerned them, they went to Cp0 to handle it instead of leaving it to only the marines.
Ye but that's because doflamingo isnt even YC1. If Egghead Ziro😢can mid-high diff him, then the gorosei wouldnt need to dirty their hands with him.
@john-olivierlukama1548 what? It wasnt about beating him. It was that he had information on their national treasure that they were worried he'd leak. They attempted to kill him before for it as he said and failed. Sure they can send someone strong but they cant reliably take him out without being sure he didnt already store the information somewhere. We are witnessing right now how how delicate an assassination has to be when information is involved. Vegapunk tied it to his death. Doflamingo isnt a threat in terms of sheer power, but his knowledge and the threat it had to their image.
Exactly, Doflamingo threatened them and Celestial dragons couldn't do anything and made him Warlord. Also video doesn't mention Teach's underlings Shiryu and Aokiji low-diffing Garp. Emperors crews are special too.
@@timurjack8773there was no low diff about that, Garp was only injured from preventing Shiryu from injuring Colby, and even after that Aokiji and everyone else was still having a hard time.
I'll say this however, I do not believe Aokiji nor Kizaru were fighting at their top form
@@timurjack8773 bad take. Aokiji could probably go toe to toe with garp being trained by him but put on a believable act vs him which I imagine will come out as a sword member later. Remember he filled harps wound with ice probably to prolong it for whatever garp is trying to achieve.
Sword guy is good but not that good.
One piece fans need to be better and look between the lines with what is going down.
I don’t think the “balance of power” was a lie. I think it was meant in the context of the blue sea world. While it’s obvious how the warlords and marines acted as pillars of the world government, it seemed like the yonko were the opposition. This isn’t the case, they were third pillar propping up the WG albeit unknowingly. They kept each other in check. They were too busy fighting among each other to make a play for the one piece or build a force that could take on the WG. Additionally they acted as great filter taking out potential upstarts in the New World who might cause problems for the WG in the future. Up until Luffy that is. The balance of power wasn’t between pirate and government. It was a balance propping up the aristocracy. Making them untouchable.
this is exactly the case
This. If I am someone sitting at the top of the world, there's no way i would go down there to deal with every insect... 😂 just let the lapdog deal with them instead.
@@saeharryanto6715 they even follow the dog naming scheme
big mom and kaido teaming up was seen as a threat but luffy and law by coincidence snuffed it out
They don't consider themselves part of the world. They consider themselves above the world. It's why they don't add their numbers to the world. Governments total because they own the world government they're not part of it
This also explains why Dragon has been so inactive: he knows how the world really works and that all this pirate drama is just a distraction from the true enemy. He's got his eyes on the real enemy and has to build up as much as possible and wait until the proper time to make his move.
Exactly 💯
Celestial dragons want control from behind the scenes. Make sense why they wouldnt want to use their power. Its about controlling the narrative and the people, not just reigning down power on everyone
I'm not caught up, can you explain, are the gorosei really stronger than say kaido each of them...or is it the same overhype we get after each villian. If they beat kaido then the balance is off. I liked the balance.
@@nichescenesas of now they have instant regen. Any injury they get heals immediately.
@@nichescenes Id say each is at least comparable to Kaido; there is an arguement to be made that, in terms of fighting strength, they are perhaps a bit below Kaido; but then on top of that they have the ability to regenerate from anything. Which on top of their strength, yes, would put them above Kaido as a threat.
@@loganeliottt762 I got spoiled by that but that alone ain't a big deal. Like logia used to be like that sorta. And kaido took damage but rarely mattered, doflamingo can string heal, luffy can eat meat and heal, (now that I think about it, luffy healing a wound by croc back in the day might have been leaks of gear 5 and him just thinking he's healed so he is cause rubber can just stretch over wounds in his head. XD.
@@TheLadyFl3x OK, im not gonna dive too much into it, took me like half a month of not reading to finally become anime only and the anime is much better when you don't know what's going to happen. You tend to not mind the slow pacing or dragging anymore if your trying to decifer the plot. Anyway, I still feel sceptical of them being a group of kaido level bad guys. It just makes the power scaling weird that said it makes sense too. People claimed luffy would have no enemies worthy and oda proved he could without just inventing new enemies like other series do to drag things out. Good job on that one. Still think regen alone ain't enough to call them top of strength (did they recon that kaido/whitebeard/gold d were ceilings?) Whitebeard in prime I mean.
Gorosei looking down on yonko playing pirates on the blue sea 🍷🗿
That’s funny because they are going to get beaten around if they were to fight these very same Yonko’s.
@@arturmagomedov4849 or why don't the yonkos go up the grandline and try to attack the wg since they're the current rulers of the ENTIRE world and we already saw that yonkos are willing to rule the world? Btw the wg hq isn't on a remote unfindable island, they're on the center of the world, it's easier for the yonko to find them don't you think?
@@55pm Because of Marines, without them the World Government loses majority of its power. Plus, that’s how the power balance works, as soon as one of the emperor’s will make such a big move the remaining three will attack them while they are at their most vulnerable. And even with all of that, Kaido and Big Mom were actually planning to attempt it once their alliance was complete. I’m not saying they would of succeeded, (because they definitely wouldn’t have) I am just saying they were confident enough in their power to try to do it.
they shoukd care though because the more yonko the more trouble they’ll have during the final war which they know will come. they should try to defeat the strongest but plot has to go on
@@55pm The Yonkous all know how strong the WG is. Kaidou, Big Mom, and Whitebeard were all part of Rocks and attacked God's Valley. They know about the God's Knights. They know how strong you have to be to take on the WG. And they all know they'll lose. That's why Big Mom needed the Giants, why Kaido needed to subjugate other crews, get smiles, and that's why they formed the alliance. It was the only way they'd have enough power to think they might win.
The truth is, we know the world government is more powerful regardless of the scaling because they are in control of the world. People be way too focused on power scaling.
People tends to forgets the power of propaganda. The WG have been the victor all along not only because they have op fighters but because they have rooted themself in the narratives as "the good guy". In the eye of the regular folks, Marines are good, pirates are bad.
@@ShatteredGlass916which Vegapunk might be debunking
WG are powerful because it is one massive organisation who are good at nipping things in the butt before they get the chance to go
@@nonyabusiness366ehh yet they let Luffy roam free with the nika fruit and let him awaken it
@@zoovaado7759as far as we know that fruit has been around for 900 years and it has only awakened once when joyboy unlocked its true power an unknown amountseof years ago, its likely that the gorosei through that luffy was just going to be another user of It failing to awaken its true power
10:45 this makes a lot of sense and explains the importance of the revolutionary army attacking their food supply. What we are seeing now in One Piece is the first real interruption to the the livelihood of the Celestial Dragons
I actually have the theory that Kaido did face off against them before and suffered a crushing defeat, which turned him into the depressed drunk we know him as today.
We know Kaido was very different back in the day from Alber's flashback, but as of right now we have no knowledge on what caused his demeanor to change so drastically over the years.
We also know Kaido's end goal was a total war to bring down the government and his obsession with strength makes a lot more sense when we assume he actually knows what he is up against.
If we further expand on this, said defeat could also be what caused Kaido to give up on his ambitions of being Joy Boy (his shift in demeanor).
We know he has been staying in Wano for very specific reasons (as stated during his confrontation with Yamato) and I assume that is because he knew Wano would be the place where the actual Joy Boy was destined to reemerge. As such Kaido now acted as sort of a gatekeeper for the title, he knew what Joy Boy would be up against, he knew he himself was not strong enough to overcome this foe and so he came to the conclusion that the real Joy Boy would have to be stronger than him to stand a chance.
With that mindset he tested many over the years, beating every single one of them. Over the years he started to lose hope that Joy Boy would ever come, further fueling his depression, until he met Luffy. Luffy was the first to actually give him a good fight in a very long time and Kaido seemed genuinely happy about it. My interpretation is that Kaido actually had hopes Luffy might be the one to take him down and become the next Joy Boy, which would also explain his disappointed look and the comment "turns out you couldn't be Joy Boy either" when he thought he had beaten him.
This would also serve as an explanation for why Kaido didn't just dodge Luffy's Bajrang Gun, instead he put all his strength into trying to withstand it sort of as a final test for Luffy.
I actually believe Kaido wanted to lose this fight.
So yeah, I'm probaply reading way too much into this character, but I think this would make sense as an explanation for both Kaido's backstory and the final clash between him and Luffy being the way it was.
And that's the fun in theories, now let's see Oda dismantle every word I said when he reveals Kaido's actual backstory lol
Good theory. You cooked.
This theory...right here is actually good.
who can last 2 min against 5 gorosei?
This IS the truth, what you are saying isn't a theory
This is Epic!
I think when Oda decided to completely wreck his "Trinitas" by showing how utterly broken the Gorosei are, thereby showing how easily the other 2 forces can be obliterated, he really raised the bar for the last arc and shits are getting real.
Yep! And we haven’t even seen what the God’s Knights are capable of yet.
Im not caught up, how are they so strong to people, what are their feats, we saw pica pick up huge things, luffy can punch with the fist the size of an island, and we know white beard was the strongest in the past along with people like G roger. Are the gorosei stronger than kaido and roger...this makes no sense. what did they do.
@@nichescenesif you’re cool with getting spoiled, Luffy and the giants are incapable of doing ANYTHING to the Gorosei currently, they have the best regeneration in the series so far
@@nichescenes then please catch up and watch the whole video mate. How things played out in Eggheads has changed OP compared to previous arcs. Characters like WB and Kaido were indeed strong for the majority of OP with their feats and their strongest titles, but how Oda portraits the Gororseis in mere dozens of chapters make Kaidos feats look like childplay imo. If I were to make an example for u, imagine instead of Luffy, but WB and Kaido are now hopeless to deal any damage to the goroseis.
@@thkhoa8805 I dont wanna spoil just wanted hints, so i didn't watch whole thing. I took a break so I could become anime only and enjoy the series more. You don't notice padding when you do that as much at least. I think I might just try avoid all one piece news but I heard one piece will be revealed soon so I don't wanna be spoiled. Maybe ill get an app that removes one piece from stuff.
Just like in the real world with capitalists, it's smarter to stay in the background and let the working class fight each other over nonsense.
Democracy is really just a front for the rich to rule over everyone while the lower class (99.999999% of the population) fights against itself over social issues that don't affect them. We tire ourselves out by punching each other when in reality the most we can do to affect the elite is make them lose a couple inconsequential millions of $.
That is sort of true. But I believe that ultimately, the people have the choice, even if they don't realize it or care.
Whitebeard was one foot in the grave when he arrived at Marineford, and got an 8 foot long sword through the heart before facing his first admiral there.
And still 2 shotted Akainu, but couldn't 2 shot Teach, Akainu's face attack is overrated Kuma tanked that. Also video should mention Teach's underlings Shiryu and Aokiji low-diffing Garp, Emperors crew shouldn't be underestimated.
@@timurjack8773 WB sneak attacks akainu from the back, akainu eats it and then proceeds to take half his head off, akainu then takes an island shuttering blow and came back to wreck the entire WB crew. Teach with two fruits and his entire ran away from just Akainu. Kuma was a zombie cyborg walking. You now wank Aokiji, but he was a former admiral and was wrecked by akainu. The fight on hachinosu was basically Kuzan vs garp, the other BB pirates were fodder in comparison.
@@Mosaic-xeroxakainu attacked him when during the heart attack that’s more sneaky imo and wb tanked that and 2 tapped the fraud
@@videoshunterhunter9441 do you know the meaning of the word sneaky, akainu walked straight in front of WB. Not from behind, in front while even talking shit and gave him that donut creating fist.
@@Mosaic-xerox What the hell are you talking about dude ??! WB was indeed behind Akainu, but stamped his sword-stick on the ground in front of Akainu while he was chasing after Luffy... like WB noticed that and also moved to block his path... After stamping the ground before Akainu, WB let him a moment even long enough to gently turn back and face his opponent but during this whole moment, Akainu was litteraly so freezed in terror that he had difficulty turning only his head to face the old man. It's never like WB smatched Akainu from the back by surprise or something!! Akainu was simply surprised and afraid (knowing WB would be pissed as hell) that the old man made it so quick to him in this large battlefield despite all the injuries (WB was litteraly at the front side probably 2 to 3 miles away telling his crew to go while he handle the marine!). Plus, one watchful would noticed that the series of magma punch launched to WB at that moment that took part of his face were almost already desperate attacks from Akainu, I can even say that All Akainu attacks during this short fight were desperate attacks, like a man giving all he has awkwardly to escape death (compare his composure while attacking others or even when he had a first small clash with WB himself before Ace's death)... Was it not for WB to be so pissed, he could have dodged the face attack better (the attack was going for all the face), was it not for the heart attacks, Akainu wouldn't even get the chance to punch him in the stomack!! One piece is a manga/anime were details are really crititical yet people don't mind watching it with detail-oriented eyes and you will see them fooling around talking nonsense! You, go watch ep 484 well to consider these small yet relevaat facts properly to avoid telling sh*t here!!!
Plus... Teach and his crew ran away from AKAINU???!!! Naaah that one finished me! You must really be kidding! Bruh, Teach and his crew ran away from SHANKS and his crew!!!! I won't even waste more time explaining that!.. Go watch this arc again damn!!!
It was ALWAYS suspicious that the WG had people that were like 1/4th the strength of ONE SINGLE half dead yonkou and his crew. That the gorosei needed to use shichibukai to do what they themselves could have done was always kinda stupid to me. To have these powers just roam 'under control' in their systems makes soo much more sense.
Yup, it wouldn't make sense to put the navy at risk without using all thier might , if they were truly democratic as they claim the world to be, Imu simply doesn't care about the so called humans
why working yourself if you can have subordinates to dig in the dirt and work their fingers to the bone (and can be replaced easily)?
why should kings and lords do the peasants work=
Also because they're never fighting, they're not depleting their military power
Because Shishibukai, altrough they undermined the WG in the end, were of great help. First, They were pirates themselves so they will fight dirty and use every trick they can, because they know the enemies they are dealing with. Imagine how much pirates people like Crocodile, Moria and Doflamingo for example defeated in their island? Doffy and Moria had tons of pirates trapped in their islands.
Number 2: why execute or imprison great fighters, when they can fight by your side?
Number 3: a part of what they plunder from non-allied nations even goes to the WG.
So basically, the WG won in every corner. They dont need it anymore since they can use scientic weapons now, but before it, they should use every trick they could.
1/4th? Lmao every admiral was toying with wb at Marineford
I think even though the WG with Admirals and Gorosei and everyone else could technically take out all the yonko and their crews, to the WG it’s more about keeping that common enemy of pirates they can sort of use to rule over the common citizens with fear. Part of the reason people on the islands in the one piece world don’t leave the island and travel to others is because of a fear of pirates even if it’s a baseless fear or not other than the fear of just the rough seas the fear of pirates is a big thing that keeps the island separated and from joining together.
Yup. The Pirates help fuel the agenda. Provides that common enemy to rally all the nations behind
There's a reason the WG's first concern after Wano was finding replacements for Kaido and Big Mom
This video is a great example of how Power Scaling is an essential part of World Building, especially in One Piece.
Mostly because Oda is very good at narrative powerscaling. Not the typical powerscaling we're used to. It's like how Oda can easily say King vs Katakuri is close because they are both 1st Yonko Commander tier, but regular powerscalers say Katakuri gets dunked on by King cause of powercliffing.
I can bet that Oda has the relative power tier set for each character set, that's why Admirals and Yonko is contentious because the scope of the tier is that Yonko and Admirals have overlapping power levels with Yonkos slightly edging on top, but this slight edge isn't so big that any Yonko can solo two Admirals.
I started watching one piece when it first Aired....I'm now a 33 year old man and still read and watch it weekly. I can't phathom a world where the anime I've had for more of my life then not is finally over.
26 here, op after time skip became continuously worse and fan boys say one piece only gets good after 800 episodes while the opposite is true. I hope Oda just game of thrones s8, the only fun you can have with the show is to see more and more people realize how stupid everything has become
Even by the end this analysis is extremely generous to the yonko. They are not an united front, at most the celestial dragons would only need to take two at a time.
They can't go for the yonko unless they go for all of them simultaniously. Other way the other yonko could know that and try to destroy and take marineford
Pirate side is being vastly underestimated here. A scenario where the WG moves in full-force to takeover would more than likely prompt ALL pirates (including the Warlords) to band together and fight back in response.
There are individual commanders who can fight admirals on their own before you even get to the Yonkou. That’s before you even get to other parties like the Revolutionaries (who we’ve also seen contend with admirals), Rayleigh, Mihawk, and Yamato. The admirals probably wouldn’t even get to take on the emperors at all. They’d be far too busy.
Kaido also STILL has far and away the best showing of anyone who has fought Gear 5 Luffy. Way better than Saturn or any other Gorosei so far.
It’s way too early for this. lol
"Pirates" aren't a collective that would band together as single unified army like that, are you kidding me? You think Blackbeard is going to show up reporting for battle to Commodore Dragon of the Pirate Army? You think Doffy would put aside his differences and team up with his old nemesis Luffy just because the WG has gone too far this time?
The whole point of the Straw Hats (and the Whitebeard Pirates before them) is that they ACTUALLY fill people with loyalty and trust. The reason why the Straw Hats will be able to come out on top at the end of this war is because they created so many powerful allies who will come to their aid. Kaido or Big Mom don't have anything remotely like that, they rule through fear and fragile political alliances, and would be abandoned on the spot by their allies if push comes to shove.
Except the point of the story is that this scenario you imagined where all the pirates and revolutionaries and associated characters like Yamato etc band together to fight the WG...that's literally only going to happen because of Luffy. It would never magically happen in a vaccuum because that's the whole reason the story of Luffy is being written. Finally there will be someone who can bring the world together to fight back against evil but without Luffy that wouldnt happen, as that's a major part of his role and purpose in general.
@@OdekoMoon we’ve already seen TONS of pirate alliances between people who aren’t best friends and don’t really trust each other but have the same enemy or objective.
ABSOLUTELY the pirates are all fighting the WG together if they come down to take over everything. No question whatsoever.
@@MrMorjthe “point of the story” isn’t really the deciding factor here. There’s no way the Pirate world lets itself be outmatched and overrun by the World Government when it’s obvious that coming together is their only play for survival just because Luffy doesn’t exist. Pirates haven’t done that because they haven’t had to, but in this hypothetical scenario you’re suggesting where the WG behaves differently, the pirates most likely would have too.
@@BryGuyJohn The only successful pirate alliances we’ve seen between strong pirates have been formed by characters like Whitebeard, Luffy, or Dragon. The story has gone out of its way to highlight how ineffective, fragile, or self-destructive every other alliance has been because they weren’t based on trust or mutual respect. The Rocks pirates imploded immediately, Kaido and Big Mom’s crews actively sabotaged each other, the Seven Warlords barely got off their ass to punch a few goons when the WG called them in to Marineford. The most effective one is probably Cross Guild, and that’s only working for now because they haven’t had any huge challengers yet and Mihawk doesn’t mind letting Croc call the shots because it makes his life easier.
This is a recurring message in the story, and it’s one of the things that sets Luffy apart. If anyone could bring all the freedom-loving people of the world together to fight the WG, it wouldn’t be such an impressive feat when Luffy finally pulls it off.
Whitebeard was DYING and had cancer and was old, when he "was struggling" He also been stabbed throug the heart 20 min prior
Got me thinking about the meaning of the story. Basically both sides are completely captured and controlled without knowing it. Nothing can be done physically to overcome this. Only can you rise above this in spirit.
Icl the video title caught me off guard but I have to agree that the World Government is overall vastly superior if u include all of their forces. Good video Morj
The World Government is insanely powerful. Excluding the Mother Flame and presumably Uranus, by the time of the dissolution of the warlords they have: All the Cipher Pol which are definitely quite numerous including the powerful agents of CP0 such as Lucci and Kaku who are both confirmed awakened zoans, the legions of marines as well as SWORD, the different versions of the Pacifista including the Mark 3s, the Vice Admirals who vary in strength but are all users of both types of Haki, the 7 Seraphim, the 3 admirals, the fleet admiral, the old trio of Garp, Sengoku and Tsuru, the God’s knights, the Commander in Chief Kong, the Gorosei and Imu. That's a force with hundreds of thousands of soldiers as almost all marines during marineford were officers and there were 100 thousand of them, as well as numerous fighters capable of fighting the officers and commanders of yonko crews, let alone probably over a dozen top tiers. I am not even sure if all 7 yonko crews we saw and the revolutionary army combined at their peak strength since the pre timeskip could win in an all out war with all their allies (no ancient weapons) even being generous towards Big Mom by allowing her to use advanced conquerors haki and towards Whitebeard by allowing him to be healthy.
Nah, the Gorosei were worried about making Kaido angry, used a sneak attack to weaken Whitebeard with Square, etc. Luffy manhandled Saturn and Kizaru simultaneously. 😂
The gorosei didn’t sneak attack wb. That was akainu. If we’re being honest the marines curbstomped the whitebeard pirates even with a revolutionary command and former schichibukai. They lost their captain, second commander, and othe commanders were crippled while the navy didn’t lose a single notable. Ombatant
On marineford, the marines wrecked WB and his people with men to spare, if shanks didn’t appear, Blackbeard also gets wrecked too 😂shit I will throw in shanks too, he leaves with damage if he engaged
They wouldn't want to piss off Kaido because they're already spinning a hundred plates at once, dealing with an enraged Kaido would still be a major headache even with the Gorosei fighting directly (plus the risk of pushing Kaido far enough to awaken his DF, and nobody can tell what would happen then).
@@CantusTropus my point is if each of the Gorosei were stronger than Kaido like Morj is trying to imply, they could easily just jump him and take him out. Even 3v1 would be overwhelming.
@@cygnusprime6728 the gorosei are dealing with gear 5 luffy who is arguably stronger after wano, gear 5 took out kaido, but it’s not doing shit to the gorosei. Another reason why luffy wants to run, he is not doing lasting damage and they will lose if they stay.
Vegapunks body is the transmitter of his message and the apple on his heads serves as an antenna.
Source: trust me bro
The whitebeard heart attack bit is hilarious wow
Tish is why they were never afraid of shanks when he entered the room.
"Yonko cant beat 2 Admirals"
While luffy kicking Kizaru and Saturn "Stronger than emperor" in a 2v1 fight.
Dorry and Broggy easily stopped every Gorosei but he claimed that emperor are like kid compared to Gorosei💀
The only problem in their power is immortality but in term of power, theyre not close to s yonko like Kaido
"Police level" Marines are scared that they need the entire navy and Shichibukai just to stop Whitebeard.
They know the power of yonko but Whitebeard is just getting old
Because Luffy is over yonko level rn.
Literally Luffy is the reason they sent Saturn not as yonko but because he is Nika
Luffy is over yonko plus Luffy got free food
It's not as simple as pitting all their top tiers against the Yonko. They're also fighting a full-scale war and countless smaller crews and rebellions.
The World Government is spread thin logistically, like Rome. Could crush any rival, but not all at once without losing control of their own territory to a degree.
Other than 10 God's Knights, the Gorosei and the 4 admirals there's also Commander Kong, another possible admiral level character on the WG side
Oh fuck I keep forgetting about KONG
lucci too, awakened zoan on the top of CP0 tanked an acoc attack dont sleep on lucci
@@ΚρανίΩ not sleeping on him, CP0 as a whole got mentioned in the video, Kong didn't.
Let's not forget other Cipher Pols that may have decent fighters/assassins, like Cipher Pol 8 and Cipher Pol 7.
Another +1 for Magellan although I'm sure he doesn't want to leave Impel Down. There really are a lot of strong individuals in WG/Marines side
6:06 but luffy beating the brakes off a admiral and a gorosei member 2v1
It would be more reasonable to say they don't send their forces after the yonko because it could lead to a dangerous allaince between them(they've teamed up for less).
Me in 2022:"Damn, how is WG even going to stay relevant, these yonkou guys are crazy strong"
Me in 2024:
still the same they all getting whopped just regenarating
@@ΚρανίΩif you’re getting hit and you just regenerate like nothing ever happened, that means you’re not getting whopped.
Power comes in a lot ways, not necessary like kaido and big mom who where mainly brute force, but also through haks like Marcos regen or laws fruit
So far the Gorosei are more like damage sponges than truly powerful enemies, since if it weren't for their regeneration two of them would have already been defeated
I think they're sponges because they are Imu's shields and Imu has the true offensive power
How tho when jembei said they haki was out of this world
But that’s the reason they’re damage sponges, they choose to be because they’re able to be. Like Saturn said, if he wanted to, he would have dodged.
It's hard to tell though. Since they can regenerate from anything, they don't really need to dodge or block attacks. In the Davy Back Fight arc, Luffy "destroys" Aokiji, who then regenerate. I wouldn't say that "if it weren't for that regeneration, Luffy would have defeated Aokiji".
@lilsupaSSR their agendas won't accept what jimbei said they all skipped it but if it was shanks or any of the yonkos it would be the talk of the community
After looking at this video, I can see y dragon is still waiting cuz this organization op asf😂😂
Yup and even in Marineford, the navy and shichibukai pretty much BULLIED the Whitebeard pirates. Lost their captain and future Captain. One of the commanders lost an arm and other, the will to fight. Meanwhile the marines suffered zero notable casualties even tho Whitebeard pirates had outside help.
I think you read another manga 😂😂😂
Whitebeard was half dead on arrival and got stabbed by his own guy. Marco was nerfed by handcuffs so he wouldn’t BULLY Kizaru further as you like to say. Sengoku also called the full stop cuz he didn’t want smoke with the Red Hair pirates there too. Calm down with your hyperbole, brother.
You wouldn't say that if kaido was there and big mom
@@suneelj93Marco ain't doing much
No one went all out
@@delandoneal8941Wouldn't matter
@@suneelj93Marcois ass compared to an admiral. It’s already been shown he’s about two yonko commanders level but not at the level of an admiral or yonko.
NO.
Chapter 1109-1110 confirmed they are comparable to Yonkou level. They are definitely higher than admiral level. Just from Saturn being unfazed fighting Luffy while Kizaru is stomped by gear 5 is proof. We've already witnessed how little the admirals fare against the Yonkou. Sick wounded Whitebeard almost beat Akainu. Shanks made Greenbull shit himself. Sengoku was wary of a confrontation between Shanks and Kaido. And the vice-admirals? They're not even comparable to Yonkou captains at this point. 10 of them would probably not even be enough to take down Katakuri or King. The holy knights? The God Valley incident is a hint. 100% the God's Knights were there yet they needed Roger's help to beat Rocks and the Yonkous before their primes, so it's safe to assume they're below Yonkou level.
Now, with all that said, it solidifies the balance between pirates and the WG. It's true that the full force of the WG could take down the Yonkous ONE AT A TIME but not altogether. And it would be foolish for them to hunt them one by one knowing they'd suffer heavy casualties after each fight. Each Yonkou fight could reduce WG by a quarter or more.
Nothing has shown them to be Yonko level? They still haven’t landed a hit on Luffy the only reason he hasn’t defeated them is just bc he doesn’t know how to hurt them. Gorosei and Marines sweat at the idea of 2 Yonko teaming up which this video totally ignored. Short version is he’s overblowing the strength of the WG a little while underestimating the Yonko’s forces
Imu is too high based off of nothing. It’s one thing to go by narrative but he’s ignoring Imu+5 Gorosei failed to capture Sabo that’s bad portrayal. I’m not saying he isn’t as strong as a Yonko, I’d even put him ahead of Kaido but not over Shanks. Morj puts him potentially over Roger that’s a double?? Shanks is stupidly powerful which by extension makes his underlings that much stronger and Elbaf is called the strongest country. Dory and Bogy likely aren’t the strongest giants and they’re already shown to be relatively powerful. Shanks is allied with Elbaf but even ignoring Elbaf all 4 is still likely too much or at least would cause so much damage to take down it wouldn’t be worth it. Mihawk would ally with Shanks with a big factor in how the Warlords were unreliable, you could even argue all of them might decide to favor the pirate side which would be very bad for the WG
I wonder if blackbeard's dark fruit can completely nullify the gorosei's immortality. Wether their immortality is a devil fruit abilty or race ability.
Definitely makes sense as you compared our world. I'm sure it's similar in some aspects. There are people we don't know about who have crazy,amount of power and mass destruction but they aren't coming down to destroy mafias, cartels and even corrupt countries. Even if they could...
This actively makes the series better
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Would make it better if they were actually stronger instead of regeneration merchants.
It would if the author actually wrote the series with the intent from the start. The reactions of the elders don’t match the nonchalant “oh let the police handle it” throughout the story that morj is painting.
Oda is just retroactively making everyone else look small and insignificant in comparison. Power creep.
@@tutorialboss4090 Power creeping was bound to exist when the story establish the protagonist and its sup characters as being weaker.
The thing is, Oda did a decent job at justifying their lack of action. The existance of the emperors is not hurting them. Them letting the marines and so on handling it, doesnt hurt the image because Oda established that they werent hurting the system that they represent and protect. The WG had the aegis go to wano, under kaido control, and make sure that they would keep up doing business with them. One of the aegis masked members is also an important figure in the underworld (stussy)
@@tutorialboss4090 Its the Five Elders job to pay attention and direct the whole world. Them being concerned about Kaido and Big Mom teaming up doesn't mean "this could be a physical threat to Marijoa," it means the delicate balance of power of the world is getting disturbed, which will have negative consequences. People in absolute power love the status quo, and are cautious of anything that disturbs it.
And look, within a month they all had to get off their asses and teleport down to the Blue Sea to fight a Yonko and their big secret is about to be revealed, leading to a complete upheaval of the status quo. They were RIGHT to be concerned, regardless of the Celestial Dragon's total power level.
Marines handled one yonko crew pretty easily even than akainu was the only admiral that was ever serious if kizaru and aokji were serious than whole whitebeard crew would have been slaughtered very fast
If the gorosei were so powerful why they struggle dealing with xebec?why dont they stop roger from finding one piece?why they cant kill sabo at marijoa?why they need holy knight if they strong enough to deal with everyone?...trust me gorosei must have some kind of limit to their power that make them keep watching all this time rather then interfering with their problems.
What do you mean they struggled with Rocks he just attacked the celestial Dragon's. Roger and Garp needed to team up to beat them and the Gods knights were also there, but there is no evidence that the gorosei were involved. They were in a small rom where they couldn't move properly and if the went past the throne everyone representative would have seen them. Why should the gorosei get their hands dirty all the time when they can just have others do that for them.
I think you are oversimplifying a bit. Like we know in war, it's not about the stats on paper. USA lost in Vietnam and Russia right now is at a standstill with Ukraine. The Roman empire was taken down by a couple raiders.
If we can assume the gorosei are not actually invincible and there's a way to kill them, after 800 years, if they were out there scrapping, someone would have figured out their secret by now.
Also you are using the old generation of yonkos that are not in their prime. Just imagine 20-30 years ago when Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki, Whitebeard, Roger, Oden, Rocks, all were in their prime. Or even now with Luffy, Blackbeard, Cross Guild, Shanks, etc plus the yonko commanders.
Sure maybe the world government can win, which is why they rule the world but if they had to fight forces like this for 800 years, they couldn't have made.
I have multiple problems with this:
First the Gorosei themselves have shown some kind of hesitation (to call it lightly) dealing with the yonko directly as for example the cover card saying the Gorosei fear a enraged shanks or the Gorosei showing some kind of regret having to draw Kaido’s wrath against them when they sent their cp0 agent to disturb the luffy and Kaido fight (important: they are talking to themselves so there is no reason to lie to themselves)
Secondly the balance of power is even acknowledged by them and in their biggest interest to keep up so if they wouldn’t even fear the yonko then why would they try to maintain any kind of it. It‘s not beneficial for them if they wouldn’t have any kind of fear for the yonko.
Also finally: We know the Celestial Dragons greed, but the fact that territories of yonko‘s exist where they CD‘s can‘t take any taxes or even more importantly control over (so basically the half of whole new world not being in their control) proves that they have a fear of the yonko. And it‘s also repeatedly acknowledged by the Gorosei themselves that they true to prevent or oversee the alliances of yonko‘s which again Hammer down a kind of fear for the balance of power. Saying it‘s fake when taking the world government into consideration doesn‘t really make sense when the Gorosei themselves have acknowledged it and put great importance on the maintenance of it.
Thank you i dont see how people aren't noticing this aswell
Thank you, Morj is making his own agenda. Luffy is currently taking on an admiral and a member of the gorosei by himself, meanwhile Kaido was too strong for Luffy to even fight someone else. Not mention, Gorosei members seem to have a special hax that prevent them from being injured. We saw with Kaido that it was raw strength and Hak thay played out with him. That means, we cannot draw conclusion without full context of their power. So assuming they're stronger than any yonko is a Bad take tbh
Exactly what I don’t get
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Some interesting points you mention there! On the other hand, there's arguments to bring against them.
CP0: to me it seemed they were more concerned with having to sacrifice one of their top agents in such a manner. But they were more scared/concerned of Nika being awakened rather than Kaido's wrath/Kaido itself. Kaido and Orochi were useful to them because they could extract sea prism via them, knowing fully well that Kaido is building up his forces. I don't think they would do that, if they couldn't handle Kaido themselves if their proxy, the Marines couldn't.
Balance of Power: Morj himself states how it does both, exist and doesn't exist, it only exists between the Marines and Yonkou. The Gorosei, Imu, God's knights are more of a nuclear, very last resort option, only taken when they themselves are in danger. Them being in danger means that Mariejoa gets affected, disturbs their income, food supply. They want to live in luxury, without care, seeing anyone below as not worth their time,they don't want to get "their hands dirty" on "commoners" /"insects". So they are interested that the Marines are buffed up enough to do their dirty work for them, keep the blue seas balance of power alive... It serves them as well if there's some controlled conflict and pirates roaming around... They can label anyone going against them as evil pirate, while portraying and establishing the marines as the good heroes, and in turn, portraying themselves in a good light. As the Marines are, in the people s mind, the extension of the WG.
And even if the Marines were to fuck up something, the government can easily switch out people, claim how this or that Marine was a traitor or corrupted individual without it necessarily harming the WC reputation.
The Marines are a great political asset. With the way they work, the government has a first wave enforcer that they can use to put glory on themselves, however at the same time, the Marines are portrayed as independent enough (for the blue seas people) that when they fuck up, the WG can use them as a scapegoat. Sure the reputation might be tarnished for a moment, but people are easily distracted when the WG replaces the ones who fucked up and the new ones become new heroes.
So let me get this straight. Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard, Shanks with all their forces would lose to the WG. But Luffy with Usopp, Chopper and Nami with a few Dressrosa colosseum fighters who could barely beat Doflamingo officers are going to do it.
k.
The Marines would rebelled if they saw the Gorsay power and the Nephilim
Seraphim
Probably not they already know celestial dragons keep slaves and they aren't allowed to do anything about it. Koby and some friends would leave tho
Yup, I agree. Because, yes, the gorosei have a lot of people brainwashed and under their controlled, but not to the point of going on an all out pirate purge and having everyone mindlessly follow. Ithink certain marines like Garp, Aokiji, Koby and Sword, Fujitora, etc would switch sides, or at least not fight with the gorosei. Also, why would we assume the warlords would fight alongside the gorosei on a PIRATE PURGE, knowing they are pirates as well lol.
This is the biggest liad of shid ever spoked 😂😂😂 the gorosei were trembling when kaido n big mom met up
Yeah so what
In addition to the forces you mentioned, there are also: Kong, all CP 9-1 forces, celestial dragon guards (we saw them e.g. during the auction), other agents (they follow dragons everywhere) and I think that Imu also has his own personal guard - I think the woman who informed him about Gorosei arrival is one of them and I doubt she is weak.
I can't really swallow everything in this video. We actually do not know how strong the Gorosei are. Luffy is an emperor and they have so far been unable to take him down. Their regeneration is what is holding them. And we do not know if other emperors like Shanks can permanently hurt them. It is still too early.
If Kuma can punch one of them so hard that their limbs get torn off, then maybe we should wait before we say definitively how strong they are
Even if you downplay the shit out of the Gorosei and put them at Kid's level, they are going to eventually outlast any Yonko. If Luffy at full power cannot deal with them, Kaido and Big Mom cannot hurt them either.
@@marcelinoalvarado9129kaido might could destroy all their cells with his fire attacks
Luffy is an exception among the emperors, his feats don't reflect "standard yonko feats". Luffy is Joyboy reincarnate, Nika, etc. That's why I exclusively talked about the four OG emperors in my examples. Whereas Luffy can handle multiple admiral-level opponents, Big Mom clearly struggled with just Kid and Law, and WB struggled in 1v1's with admirals. Kaido was also explicitly shown to be about equal to Big Mom 1v1 from their duel. Most of this suggests that the previous gen of Yonko could not take down multiple admirals at the same time, but to be completely fair I even included the most generous interpretation that each Yonko is equal to three admirals, and even under that interpretation it's clear the WG still have too much on their side.
Okay but we KNOW old Whitebeard AND Big Mom can't beat more than 2 Admirals at the same time. So Akainu and Kizaru is enough. We saw Big Mom lose to Kidd and Law + extra, but it's a safe bet that Fujitora AND GREEN BULL can take her Down. So now we have Kaido AND Shanks vs ALL 5 Gorosei, + Garp, + Sengoku!! That is 7 vs 2. AND then there's IMU who we know MUST be even stronger than the Gorosei
@@kidkouga92no its not bro kidd and law won on a technicality big mom wasn't full power never used acoc even tho she was shown to be able to use it and law rn wipes the floor with any admiral so does kidd.
Wait, the gorosei who just sit in their room all day finally doing something before dragon? DRAGON YOU FRAUD!!!
Prime Rocks D Xebec , Prime Gol D Roger (with atleast 1 ancient weapon Pluton) , Prime Whitebeard , Prime Monkey D Garp... if instead of fighting amongst themselves say they would have teamed up with Rocks pirates & Roger pirates non captain memebers as support (eg. Prime Rayleigh has been implied to be superior than Kizaru, Prime Scooper Gaban , Not Prime Kaido , Big Mom , Shikhi etc) + let's add Elbaf's giants army backing them up with Prince Loki leading that group....... then i do see such a combined force in theory will rollover the Marines & Gorosei , God's Knights , Imu their thrones & Mareijois will end up being shaken vigorously.
That line up has 3 PK level characters in Prime Xebec , Roger & WB & then there would be Pluton & World's strongest army The Giants Army of Elbaf & Roger pirates & Rocks pirates backing them up. I mean the marines will get annhilated within few minutes & all responsibility will fall on the Gorosei , Imu etc
Entire Yonko fleet attacking Marine HQ: [Gorosei sleeps]
One bouncy dude and brain man exists: [Gorosei real shit]
If there was 5 kaidos in front of gear 5 luffy they would of demolished him and it wouldn’t of taken more than 2
Agreed
The opening to this video is fire.....Mr Morj, these types of videos are your goldmine. No one, and I mean no one, does them like you.
I truly believe Oda forgot about Kong, Supreme commander of the WG
another yonko level character
Isn't he like 90 at this point? Gotta be washed
every yonko low diff or ONE SHOT kong
Also Kong was never hyped up as being that powerful even in his youth. One of his only scenes where he talks in the manga is literally him hyping up Garp and Sengoku, saying they were the best of the marines back then. He is never once played up as having been in their league in the past and especially not now that he is way older lmao
@@chinuaalibatya7345
I think he was at least admiral level in his prime
No he hasn’t as Kong appeared in the Kuma flashback. Idk why he has barely shown up but he did show up in the egghead arc so that proves that Oda remembers him.
Gorosei stronger or equal to yonko. Oda has never really introduced an arc villain weaker than the previous arc’s
Yea because those villians were not The pinnacle of piracy and the Gorosei are no where near the Yonkos combat wise
They are imortal beings who are strong
Also
Foxy came after Enel, Enel no diffs foxy
Kizaru is stronger than magellan but magellan came after
Great video Morj I feel like you make the most well put together analysis videos of what we actually see in the story and your theories and predictions always make the most sense on a literary basis good stuff
My Imaginary Final matches for SH final fight with Gods Knights
1.Luffy vs IMU
2.Zoro vs Garling
- (Garling with Supreme Black Blade & Dimensions control ability)
3.Sanji vs Fastest man in OnePiece
- (He is Gods Knight who kidnaps any Girls he wants and he raped them)
- (His ability was Speed like flash from DC. He can also use Timeskip)
4.Jinbei vs Megalodon
- (He is Gods Knight who can use ancient shark Megalodon's Ability he can also transform into megalodon like zoan user)
5.Brook vs Necromancer
- (He is Gods Knight who use Necromancer abilities so basically he can control death peoples and their abilities)
- (He also have some legendary character corpse like WB or Roger or Rocks)
6.Franky vs Armor Man
- (He is Gods Knight but he's so weak. His powerlevel is like ordinary Celestial dragon level)
- (But he is one of the smartest person in OP. He have So many Armor in his collection like Iron man. His armour are all made in Nano technology)
- (When he wear a armor his power levels is like wano Zoro level)
7.Chopper vs Wendigo
- (He is Gods Knight who use Reindeer monster Wendigo's abilitys he also physically super Strong like Kaido level Strength)
8.Bonney vs Her Biological Father
9. Usopp vs [Girl] DEATH
- (She is Gods Knight with Deadly Sniping Skills. Her range is 10KM radius. Her Ammo's is made with Sea prisom Stone and also she infuses arm haki)
- (she daily use her Target practice with Slaves. In her lifetime she never miss a single target)
- (if She targets someone then even the GOD himself can't help to save that person)
10. Robin vs Assassin
- (He is Gods Knight also cipher pol Supreme Commander)
- (He can use special ability called CHI BLOCKING. He can block all the Chi points of his Opponent)
11.Nami vs [Girl] Psycho Killer
- (She is also a Gods Knight but she is most brutal character in OP. She doesn't like any race besides Celestial dragon)
- (if she see a human or any races she kill them very Brutally)
- (She also have ability called Torture, With this she can Torture someone in Physically & Mentally in most Brutal way)
Their immorality might be the reason for their strong haki. We know that haki is tied to life energy, the older you get the weaker ur haki gets, and gorosei do not age.
Haki tied to willpower
Haki is literally willpower, it has nothing to do with "life energy"
@@ReddSquall it has everything to do with life energy, zoro's hand dried up when enma sucked his haki
I feel like their DF have something to do with it
Nah haki is broken system, cant really put much thought into it. Even oda doesnt know exactly how it works. It has never been said nor implied that haki gets weaker with age that i remember
Some truths, some craziness.
Until now, none of the Gorousei appear to be on Kaido's level of power and strength.
The only advantage so far is the immortality.
Just going to ignore Topman tanking the same attacks that were doing damage to Kaido
Glazing the Gorosei like they’re gonna make u an honorary celestial dragon 😂
Had Kaido started his world war, the full might of the world government would come down on him. He would have went out in a blaze of glory.
If Luffy with Gear 5 and Kaido were on a similar strenght level, and Luffy was destroying 2 admiral-level characters, why is it so crazy to think that prime Yonkos could defeat 3 admirals at the same time?
True, at least Shanks & Kaido. I can see Old WB & Big Mom being overwhelmed by 2 though.
its not, morj is just dumb
@@guardiantree8879 Yeah, that's why I said prime yonkos, old WB would probably lose, but prime WB? I could easily see him defeating all the 3 admirals by himself. Prime Sengoku was hinted to be as strong as prime Garp and Roger/WB, so he would be a different case, but average admirals aren't THAT strong
@@guardiantree8879 big mom is out of her prime too
Luffy in G5 was violating Kaido. Making him a jump rope, a balloon, then dominating for 80% of the fight afterwards. Kaidos not doing what he did.
I think you’re missing the point. It wasn’t just the Yonko they were scared of, they were scared of their fleets. All 5 Gorosei were literally shitting themselves when Kaido and BM joined. The beast pirates filled the entire castle of Onigashima which is arguably the size of if not slightly smaller than Marineford as a whole, and at the time, all of Dressrosa, and over a dozen Mythic Zoan DF’s. Big Mom literally has a super sized country composed of all of her children to the point where you could really argue the BM Pirates rival the Navy ALONE. If Big Mom, WB, and Kaido joined forces, I don’t see how the World Govt stand even a slight chance. WB almost killed the strongest admiral while on his death bed meaning Kaido def would have killed Akainu mid-high diff. Being honest tho, King alone could wipe out a majority of the army since only ADV COC can harm him. It’s honestly not even close.
All of their foot soldiers are complete foder and most of BM's children and the Tobi roppo aren't that strong. A single conquers haki attack from a few high tiers from the world coverment side would take them out in a single shot. Same apllies to every yonko crew and most of their officers. That would just leave the Yonkos themselves and their very strongest comanders who can't defeat all of the Admirals, Seraphim, CP0, The Gods knights, The Gorosei and Imu at once
Finally someone who gets it. Of course, I could rely on you to have sense.
The whole line of reasoning is massively reaching. If they could do anything, they would do that years ago. Unless you think that if they had unlimited source power, they wouldn't use their death star on every single one of their enemies. They couldn't handle yonkos, and that's why they hadn't done that. It's just that simple.
He literally answers this question in the video. If it dosen't impact the Celestial Dragon's they won't join the fight they will just let the marines do their job
@@debater452bruh these People really believe the 4 Yonko's would Solo 5 Gorosei 5 Admirals 9 God Knights 7 Warlords/ Seraphim. Bruh😂 their all have to be like Queen level for that to be true
@@milesrieger7449queen level character? 😂 they don't read the story it's just the agenda.
@@Hsn512 Bruh one person said because shanks crew are similar in strength. His whole Crew is Basically yonko level.😂
It's really crazy to think that Roger, the initial god of the verse, now seems like just a small part of the history of the world
I mean it seems more and more like everything that is happening is completely by his design. When Luffy drops Imu at the end, the shadow of roger will definitely be felt.
Ever notice that Crocus guarda reverse mountain, Rayleigh guards center point at Sabaody, and Shanks guards the new world? The Roger pirates are making a nice lil environment for Joyboy to grow safely in. They up to things bro.
The powerscaling is way harder than what you make it out to be. So Greenbull is an admiral, and he was shitting his pants just from Shanks being a few miles away. No way in hell Greenbull would stand a chance vs Shanks, so if you follow ur cautious approximation.
Sorry Morj, I think you really overestimate the Gorosei’s combat ability. They also wanted to hide their demon identities to prevent mass revolutions around the world because they can’t be in multiple places at once and they don’t like to venture out.
You also need to stop disrespecting Big Mom about losing to Law/Kidd when you’re the same guy harping that they had no chance without dynamite doing the work. So which is it, Morj?
The Gorosei also will have their regen weakness revealed at some point. They are good at getting hit for now and that’s all.
Kaido and Big Mom would have been intimidated by the Gorosei’s haki so they would fight properly from the jump too. It’s also so simplistic to consider entire region occupying pirates as “mafia”. You’re not understanding how they affect economics and what the WG want going on.
Also, Sabo managed to escape from all 5 of them while Shanks wasn’t scared to challenge all 5 if he needed to in Mariejois.
He’s right tho…no yonko crew could possible stand up to the full might of the WG…..it’s a reason they have stayed in power for the last 800 years…even if the gorosei aren’t physically as strong they are immortal and they hace admiral level individuals working for them…they have endless soldiers and endless funds and can in theory just constantly wear out their enemy….you telling me kaido, his crew and his army are gonna beat all of cipher pol, the admirals, the gorosei, imu, the gods knights, the shichibukai and the countless vice admirals with wacky powers??
@@mastergoku4321 No ones saying an individual yonko crew could beat the WG. The video claims that the world government can take all the Yonko crews combined which an insane take. They are currently struggling to deal with a single crew,. Then theres the fact he just ignores all context, how many of the marines would continuing fighting for the WG after seeing the Goresai true forms? The seven warlords would all quit instantly and join the yonko since the yonko are the only reason the marines haven't eliminated piracy. We see a first commander mid dif CP0 strongest member, while vice admirals have been fodder ever since the post time skip. Genuinely the only hope the WG would have if all the yonko team up is that they backstab each other.
@@mastergoku4321 The CP agents and vice-admirals are absolute trash compared to Yonko crews. Warlords don’t even deserve to be brought up anymore. They were useless to the WG.
If all the Yonko crews teamed up with their allies and attack the Marines they’d be unstoppable.
We will see that exact scenario play out when Luffy leads a big army of allies and prob revolutionaries against them. Luffy just made 2 Gorosei look silly while he’s still got major stamina issues and likely is still the weakest Yonko ever besides Buggy.
@@shmeatygWG combined with marines destroy all the Yonkos combined.
You really think 5 admirals and 9 warlords. IMU and 5 gorosei, Holy Knights and Garling wouldn't beat all Yonkos combined
You're being emotional as you don't wanna admit that time is up for Yonkos
@@arijjavaid323 if you think 5 admirals and 9 warlords would actually fight for the WG then your delusional. this isn't a death-battle, its a story gotta think about context.
loved that u inserted bezos's photo as the celestial dragons, thats literally how i see the story of one piece, ir makes a parallel of the real world (the state is controles by the burgeoise to control and keep the working class as it is)
FINALLY Somebody states the obvious! The World Government is beyond the Yonko and always have been. Otherwise, they would have fallen long ago.
Right. Admirals. People who get stalemated by Yonko 1st mates. They are Marko/Katakuri level.
dishonest conclusion
This content is the reason why I'm subcribing !
the WG also keep its own power that's independent from the marines big enough to act as a deterrent to any ideas of military coup since they keep the marines busy with pirates weakening each other while they still hold absolute power, while using the marines as the public protection for people to justify the payments each kingdom needs to do
also small nitpicks, big mom was not "struggling" against kid and law. Oda made sure to show us how impossible and lucky it was for them to defeat big mom with them throwing her out of onigashima and her detonating a bomb by chance while falling.
and the WG having to use their god's knights, their gorosei, imu, admirals and vice admirals would not exactly qualify as "easy" for them to defeat the yonkos.
espcially when such a case where all yonkos ally with each other and turn against them is their worst case nightmare scenario because that would mean the whole pirate world going against them not just yonko and yonko commanders but like every pirate captain/crew allied to any yonko or independent of them
I think the 5 Gorosei equal Shanks & Mihawk together.
Shanks was able to push back two admirals with his conquerors haki, and kizaru was afraid of beckam🙃
Film red not canon
Kaido could've definitely taken on like 3 of them at once
No he wouldnt. The onigashima war is a story of Luffy trying surpass the biggest foe he ever faced till that point, Kaido. The help Luffy got was ALL and ALWAYS in a context of helping him reach the level Kaido was. Luffy didnt get any form of help and even refused to have anyone to interfere, after he reached a level where he could compete. Kaido aknowledges Luffy reached a stage where he can fight him on a 1v1 before Luffy went Gear 4.
Gear 5 on top of its narrative importance, also establishes Luffy as being on a level that surpasses that of Kaido. If that wasnt the case, Kaido would have won.
I dare anyone to re-read the battle and show me a moment where Luffy got help after being recognized as being on a level where he could fight Kaido on a 1v1.
From the reverie flashback, to the revelations of their forms, the entire arc has served to establish how they are superior to anything the straw hats have faced as of yet.
I like how you used a picture of J Greenblatt to represent the Celestial Dragon because that is so accurate.
Morj making too much headcannon based on his view of power scaling. Gorosei were shitting their pants when Big Mom and Kaido made an alliance.
That was because of political reasons.
WG is the strongest entity in one piece and Yonkos are child's play in comparison
Exactly
Jinbei literals nut phased whatsoever by big mom haki but decided to run from mars. That should tell you enough
@@raven717would dorry and broggy knock big mom on her ass?
Bro literally robin and Jinbei knocked her on her ass and rolled her off the island
9:25 Is that the Volturi from Twilight? Did he REALLY use the Volturi as the picture of the "aristocracy?" 😆
I think Blackbeard will dispose imu and be the final villain
Exactly. The final war will be the war from Supremacy Doflamingo said. Pirates all vying to fill the vacuum of power The Gorosei and Imu leave behind
No
Depends. If gorosei falls now, BB will. If Gorosei survives BB probably wont be the final villian. Only issue is with this is imu have to be confronted by luffy. Only way this works is if luffy fights imu, almost defeats him, then Bb comes and take over.
I literally can't express just how disappointing and stupid that would be. Thank god oda is the author and not you 💯
I doubt it honestly. I think people have misunderstood the strength of the world government from the start.
The yonko were kept around to keep pirates from finding the one piece . Intell just now things changed and yonko now want to find the one piece .
Bro does not know how to pronounce charade 💀
I have to say, why do Americans say “The end all, be all” when it should be “The be all, end all”
It has to be, then end! That is the whole point of the saying! 😂
Excellent take as usual from Morj. Love the class struggle metaphor you drew for WG, pirates, marines and 'commoners"
Morj, but what about Moria? We can only assume Imu specifically ordered Doffy and the Marines to get rid of him. Only Imu is higher than the 5 Elders. Doesn't that provide an example of the upper aristocracy worrying about a lowly Mafia member.
Yep... this is why I'm not a One Piece RUclipsr. I fact checked chapter 581 and I was wrong. Doffy specifically references Sengoku and this is implied to note someone higher. Could be Kong or it could be the Gorsei. No reference to Imu. Would be cool though if Gorsei wanted Moria's removal because his fruit would be similar to Imu's if Imu had a Nightmare Fruit. If Luffy is sun god (Amaterasu) representative of dreams, Imu would be moon God Zoan (I know there is another significant Japanese moon God) and related to nightmares that happen under the moon. Also relates to your Dawn allegory. "World Government's long night".
I cannot understand how Celestial Dragons with fighting power and strong Haki exist. They don't experience any meaningful conflict to get stronger, i bet most of them fought a fraction of the battles kaidou did.
That also confounds, when born into the lap of excessive luxury: I wonder how they manage to find any who'd want to exert themselves to train and become a God's Knight. Does the job come with even bigger privileges.
They are all descendants of powerful warriors from 900 years ago
Or they were born into conflict 800 years ago.
I mean they been around presumably for 800 years lol plenty of time to get strong
i think the gorosei train them
im gonna have to take this video about as seriously as all the of raid failing videos. morj eats cap for breakfast lunch and dinner
There was always two balances. The public world balance: marines + warlords = 4 emeperors. And the secret balance: 4 emperors rivialing each other and keeping anyone from finding the one piece. The secret balance is the one the world govt cares about the most and what yonko fans misinterpret as yonko top 1, when the yonko system is only around to serve the world govt by keeping the true history unreachable. This is the reason why BB, luffy, and buggy were named emperors by the world government because they are supposed to play this role now. Obviously they will not.
5:04 just realized how often we tend to forget about Kong since he probably has even less screentime than Dragon up to this point xd
Gorosei is not fucking with the Yonko. Let's not forget how Kaido was treating Luffy😂
I mean, they really are if they're actually completely immortal, i mean, how could kaido ever win? they could literally just keep coming back at him untill he was gassed out.
Bro no one can stand up to the WG….they literally have endless soldiers, weapons and money…the yonko could hold out for a while in a war but would eventually be overwhelmed…it’s a reason no one was able to depose the WG for 800 years
@@23045678 if that was the case WG would have already gotten rid of all the pirates... if its a 1v1 always bet on kaido HELL even if 2 gorosei teamed up kaido would have beaten them 1 way or the other
having conqueror's or even the advanced version doesnt mean sh1t if u cant split the skies with it or coat yourself with it and cause something similar to kaido's death destroyer bagua
it requires a team effort to beat the yonkos ESPECIALLY kaido who scales at PK level
@@mastergoku4321 dramatical exaggeration... the navy doesnt have enough power to check everything that is happening in the world of one piece currently which was confirmed by aramaki so that means they dont have "literally" endless soldiers
do you know who the WG went to to buy weapons??? KAIDO
meaning the WG doesnt produce more weapons than kaido, if the so called "nobles" go to the most dangerous and strongest pirate of them all to buy weapons it proves that they RELY on him to make themselves stronger meaning kaido exceeds them in that department + he has an ancient weapon pluton
plus now with whats happening on egghead its clear that the WG will lose a significant amount of their weaponary
i couldnt agree more with what u said in the end HOWEVER your examples are totally wrong
Nah, im pretty sure the world govemrent WANT pirates around to some degree to give the people of the world another boogyman to fear that isn't them. The ones at the top only care if there lives are impacted.
As for kaido 1v1, sure kaidos obviously stronger, but that doesnt mean shit if he literally cant kill them because they're immortal. They're presumably gonna have a weakness, but it might not be something kaido would or could ever work out.
@@Laonaadoo
Whitebeard was severely nerfed 😅
Just over hyping these old bums…
Bigmom was an old bum, WB was an old bum, hell kaido was getting there
kaido was said un killable. then they got these monsters
Big mom was an even bigger bum. She lost to Kidd and Law 😂
You forgot that the warlords are not with the world government anymore but they have seraphims.
They could’ve taken down the yonko but it’s definitely not a low diff demolish. They were shifting their pants at the idea of two yonko joining together so all 4 joining together with their empires would be a extreme diff war.
They wouldn't join together tho. The yonko don't really like each other if we're with the old the yonko at best big mom and kaido and then shanks and whitebeard would team up. But even then the marine could prolly launch an assault with enough of their forces to at least wipe out 1 of the yonko before the others can react
morj litrally forgot that 4 yonkos uniting= many extra fleets uniting would be a equal balance
@@bmoney3837They gotta push the agenda😂
@@Jay_Guaps Nah I’m saying if the 4 yonko+their Allies fought the WG+Marines it’s not an easy battle for either side. Also them being picked off before meeting up takes the fun out of Vs battles c’mon now
@Dbonesburneraccount I'm saying that never happen tho since the yonko haven't been shown to just team up like tht so they would end up getting picked off in a realistic scenario in terms of context from the story. If it's a hypothetical sure it be a tough fight
The government was playing chess with 6 queens
Many things make sense, the whole idea of "Why would the world government care?" is great!
But the powerscaling of the elders (1) and the whole "they could take down the emperors easily (2) is where I disagree.
1.) Because I feel like we cannot scale them. The main feat that seems overpowered is the fact that they cannot be harmed, as far as we know 'til know. That's super broken ofc. Other than that, Kizaru felt more dangerous for me personally.
But Warcury... I don't understand why everyone is impressed tbh. And IF he is the strongest, I can't believe they should be emperor / admiral level. Okay: perform conquerors haki as a non-pirate is insane, as Garp is the only one on navy / WG - side I remember using it. But.. it doesn't do shit against high-level characters. For Luffy it was literally a joke and Boogey and Woogey blocked it, as well as the direct attack afterwards. Yeah.. in my head Kaido / Big Mom / Shanks / Luffy / BB / WB would ALL smacked them away.
Luffy doesn't seem to have any problems with the gorosei, other than the fact that they cannot be harmed and his G5 timelimit runs out.
I feel like they have very specific strengths paired with their shared immortality. But pure combat-wise.. VERY strong, but not top level.
2.) I agree, that all forces combined should be enough to take out the emperors. Thing is: it's not that easy as portrayed. And I say: not possible.
Because there is another thing that is almost never shown and only hinted rarely: The marines have WORK to do! All the time. In my head, if you declare the greatest war we know so far and attack the 4 emperors with every admiral, Garp, Sengoku and even vice captains - ALL located in 1 of the 7 seas.... what do you think pirates all over the world will / could do? Don't even talk about the best chance for dragon and an army of their most dangerous enemys to strike.
This war would be INSANLY difficult and risky for them. I don't believe a second that they could wash all yonko away easily and quick. And more importantly: The Gorosei, Imu, the God knights (maybe Kong) have OBVIOUSLY something to protect in Maryjoa. Dragon strikes the second they move, I'm sure. Therefore not possible.
Still, I agree that they don't care. Because they know, that the Yonko's won't defeat themselfs. And that means, noone will find all stones to find the one piece.
Imu / the WG only really cares about 3 things: 1. Joyboy (=the One Piece) 2. The Revolutionarys and 3. Information / The truth.
Yonkou = marine + world government (god knights included). Its the power balance of the world. If marine + wg could beat all the yonkous, they wouldve done it already.
Bro watch the video before commenting