M vs S1000R - Which to choose?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2023
- Having owned my 2021 S1000R since new, I haven't seen any videos comparing the S to M, what is the difference? Is it worth the upgrade? Or should I jump on Ducati Streetfighter? In this video I try and answer all those questions you may have! Anything I missed pop it in the comments.
Special thanks to Wollaston Motorrad in Northampton for loan of the bike!
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The biggest performance upgrade you could do to this bike is also the cheapest.........just remove the number plate!
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Great comparison! Thx!
Great Review, I love mine!!
Great review. Many thanks. G
Excellent. The exact video I need
Glad it was helpful!
Best review of the k67 vs k66… I can attest to this experience. I went from a S to a M1000RR. And all I say you respect all other slower vehicles. How it delivers the power is brutal.
The good thing over the US is that a full spec S price is very close to M base model which makes this a no brainer decision. The diff to the competition model is still $5K which quite large diff. I chose the base since I like the white color better, and I was worried about the rigidity of the carbon wheels on public roads.
I have bought this , downgraded from Ducati v4s. Not a swap, but almost.
What you said is correct, 150mph is harder than 180 on a fared bike, and i am not wanting to do it very often. On track of course.
This is great handling machine, so you don't get left on corners. Just straights that are long. I do miss the Duc, but am now, at over 50, enjoying the bmw competition as easier to ride at sensible speeds and I use it much more.
Great video.
Thanks 🙏🏻 so glad a V4S owner commented and my views paralleled as I have only ridden one a few times 👍🏻
Absolutely AWESOME and to me terrifying 😂😂😂 its not a motorcycle its a fighter plane 😂😂 great review Dom, cheers Hugh
It is VERY good 😍
Nice to see someone actually giving it some stick.
good video. I am thinking of buying one as I miss my S1000RR I had years ago, but you really do need to spend a few grand on getting a full system - the gains all over are huge, as well as the most intoxicating sound you could imagine.
I like your videos btw, you should do more bike reviews - better than some of the big channels I watch who seem more interested in selling clothes with their coupons. Tennis elbow, sounds uncomfortable!
🤣 “The perfect 20 degrees”. Riding in Australia I’d still be wearing winter gear. 20 degrees at my old home racetrack (being Phillip Island) would see me putting on warm clothing post sessions and races as it only took about 20 minutes to cool down. Nice review. 👍😎🇦🇺
$4k is still a big jump to get the M1000r
@@Saauuullll Agreed. Plus the fact that 99.99999% of all road riders can’t use all of the non M spec version’s capabilities so it’s a bit of a flex.
Best bike I've ever ridden 😛💜💪
i have to say your a crazy person and i love you for that
No question...M1000R!!!
I can’t believe they force you to hang that dirty big license plate on the back. This bike looks amazing with a small plate, no reflectors, a full exhaust, and pillion peg delete.
I know it is aweful! I did a video on trying to do make a legal tucked plate which shows the difference in plate sizes. Why the UK can’t legally allow a 7x5 plate, that’s just about acceptable!
BMW license plate wing is similar to spoiler on the back of muscle car. Magnificent keeps motorcycle in traction BMW are marvelous
I put a Racefit on mine before I picked it up, sounds much better but the worse bit , looks wise, is the CAT . Vibrations through the bars gets worse with more mileage on it, I’m at 1400 miles now and after an hour the pins n needles are horrendous.
Great review though Dom , keep it up 👍🏼😎
I found the vibes better than on my S… but when in post I noticed my voice shaking more so 🤷🏻♂️😂
Try extra weight on the end of the handlebars. I believe Evotech sells bar-end weights
The single light is brutal
Hey, loved the video. Would you reckon the non-Comp version has less bar vibrations due to the forged rims? And overall, is the Comp. pack worth it in your eyes, it is pretty much just the carbon pieces right? If the forged rims would lessen the vibrations, then I don't really see the need for it, other than the black livery of course :) How would you compare the M to the new 1390 SDR Evo? I'm looking to upgrade from my 2021 MT-09 SP. Thanks :).
44 teeth compared the super duke and say they prefer for road riding and the m for track. Might be worth a test ride…
For your question. I’m buying the standard and not the competition… but if I had a spare £5k I’d pump for the competition. The reason is i have tried all other bits, rearsets, mirrors, levers, and the M stuff is superior always. So if you can afford it get it; but if your not too bothered with bling, the stock is better than any aftermarket. Just not as good as the M stuff.
Hope that helps 👍🏻
@@yodomcat Thanks for the reply! I was planning on, but sadly somebody just recently totaled the M1000R (noncomp), the only one available for test rides in Finland for the moment :/ Now I can just test the KTM :/
I still haven’t taken it out yet
The sad thing is I probably spent M money on my S as i bought pretty much all the carbon and billet bits, plus the forged wheels. But i didn't know the M was going to come out a year later lol
Same🥲
newer seen anyone asking a question- is this bike ever saved anyone, because of electronics support (traction, abs-pro) and etc?? at the moment i own honda cb650r (2019) - power vice it suits me ( as many of you say going over 150m/h on street bike is pain; it has enough torque for me too); also it even has abs and traction control _ so i only want S1000 because off all safety equipment it has (heated grips and cruise control not necessarily to me), and maybe nicer looks than honda (maybe maybe). the price diference is double - so would it be worth going from my honda to s1000?
All the time! But mostly (like 99%) from the rider stupidity! Which the electronics encourage 😂
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You got me at BATMAN
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Naked bike with an RR motor but no fairing to keep the wind off ...yeah naah -:) happy I went for the RRR M
Above 130mph staying on is a mission... getting to that 130 is like a missile though! And far too easy!
Sorry, i have to disagree with many of your points in the review. I currently own a base model M1000R and have also had the pleasure of a S1000R sport. For the extra money of a M, compared to the current price of a S sport, you get a better torquier engine, the brakes are better, fully adjustable suspension (manual), better rider aids, a more slick quick shifter, lighter forged wheels plus a few cosmetic changes. In my opinion the M seat is harder, the riding position is slightly more prone and the stiffer suspension is unforgiving, making a long journey uncomfortable. Also, the M vibrates more than the S. But, the M has a far more usable spread of power. which is a massive plus. It stops as well as it goes and there's always the M bragging rights. I have never experienced any noticeable benefit from those wings. Other than bling, there is no rideability difference to justify the significant extra money, for the competition version you reviewed. The S and the M might look similar, but they are different beasts and the price reflects that. I found that dealers are prepared to do a deal (without part ex), so don't have to pay the list price and the base M becomes even better value for money.
Think we’re agreeing from reading the above. However I found the seat more comfortable to the pony I got a price from bmw! 😂
The vibes affected me differently, vibey like the S, but didn’t hurt my elbows which a long contestant ride on my S does.
Power, M is amazing, worth it over the S? If you can afford, if you can’t no disappointment in the S (with a decat).
For the suspension it is dynamic like the r but with more adjustment in the pro modes from that I saw. Slap it in road and it is soft and comfy, whack in dynamic pro and it’s how you set up. Or did you spec manual suspension?
@@yodomcat As for the suspension, on the S you can adjust the damping modes from the LH switch gear. Then the DDC does what it does. No switch gear option on the M. On the M these settings are Preset and you have to go into Race Pro mode, to setup custom damping values manually, then select that mode to use. Preload is manual on both S & M.
On another note, RUclipsrs who don't actually own an M1000R, never mention the insurance aspect. In my experience, potential buyers should check whether they can get insurance first, before purchasing the bike. I have 42 years continuous riding experience and full NCD, but my existing insurer would not quote to add an M1000R. I had to change insurers and accept some ridiculous excess and clauses to get it insured within a multi bike policy. My BMW dealer informed me that he'd lost several orders, due to insurance quote issues. Something to bear in mind 🤔
@@teej710 insurance is a good point. I have found with the new bikes I’ve owned the insurance HALVES when 2 years old.
@@yodomcat I was led to believe that this was because there's currently no risk/liability data, for the M1000R. So it makes sense, that as you say, after 2 years it'll potentially get cheaper 🤞🏼.
woolaston northampton supplied my S1000RR in 2019
How much of the extra pick is motor or up 2 rear sprocket.. go up 2 on the S see what that's like... obviously still slower but by ?
The RR motor compared to the XR for pick up… unreal! Feels like 10x! How much of that is road usable however…
I took my M1000R three weeks ago but I am not happy about the vibration it has. Above 100 KM I can’t see any clear view on the mirrors and I think the bike is on break. Did you notice the same. I put only 600 KM on it so far and don’t know if this vibration which occurs over 100KM will be fixed after breaking period or no. I appreciate it if you let me know your thoughts. Thanks
Yeah mirrors suck. I have a video on that 😉 Rizoma stealth are better! It is a vibey bike. Personally don’t have a problem with it, but others do. I found the M less vibey as you don’t spend too much time in the top end of the rev band like the R. Heavier barends help (which means ditching the mirrors)
@@yodomcat Thank you very much!
The M1000 for me and I would still put a full titanium system on it, not for the extra power so much, I do not like the look of the standard system with all those catalytic converters, it makes the standard exhaust look ugly.
I wouldn’t disagree 👍🏻
The lean angle indicator should be on every other make starting at 13K $
I believe all BMW’s with the digital dash will have the lean indicator in the sports dash. Also on the app 👍🏻
Can you give me the name of the cell phone holder that you have on the handlebars of the s 1000 r please?
If you look on my channel I have reviewed and tested, SP, Mous and Quadlock. I would recommend both Quadlock and Mous 👍🏻
it has a manual or electronic steering damper?
Manual that can adjusted. The S can’t be adjusted
How much MPG do you get from yours S1000r? on your normal/agressive ride style ?
I only ride aggressive £20 and 130 miles range
@@yodomcat That is surprisingly good for that bike. - 36 mpg . Thank your for you answer
Curious if your using the bike as a daily commuter bike with going on trips on the weekends would you prefer your S to the M.
Not daily, but couple of times a week. I do 12k pa on the bike. If I was starting over I’d have the M. But as I have the S it’s not worth the upgrade for me right now. But next bike, will be either M or V4S and I’m sure it will be the M unless the pricing changes massive on the Duc’s
@@yodomcat that makes sense. I found a good deal on a M package 1000r at my local dealership. Basically 5k used off a 23 s1000r. Love the way the M looks but they are about 26k here in the states. Cheaper than the V4s but 200 Hp might be to much for me.
@@mattstakeontheancients7594 the S with a decat and flash is more power than anyone needs, more fun and more useful. But who ever turns down more power!?! 🙈😂
@@yodomcat I mean if both were the same price I go M. Be nice to blow by a gsxr rider in shorts and a t-shirt . I also know if I had 200 Hp I’d want to see what that would do and get a big ass ticket. Will prolly on the S too but won’t be as fast.
S1000 R is my dream bike. Currently I have ktm duke 390. I am pretty sure that the engine of this bike is refined. The only thing which I don't like about this bike is the handle. It's completely straight. Love from India!
The straight bar makes it better trust me! Such good handling and much better on your wrist, elbow and back 👍🏻
Great. Is the riding position little aggresive?
@@Insomgamerz you are a little forward but due to the flatter bar less than the S. I would say only slightly more than a 790 duke.
Great man and I apologize for my english. I'll definitely buy S1000 R, Not M but with SC project exhaust!
@@Insomgamerz Pro-Race is very good. Then if you get the S do the headers at some point to make it breath better and just stop that little lag.
would really like to get into bmw motorcycles since I'm a M car guy, but their offerings at the beginner level are kind of hit or miss with large gaps in performance. g310r seems like not enough bike to hold for years and f900r is too much to start on.
Yeah beginner bikes are 300 then the jump to litre. The f900 feels more like a 600, but I don’t like that bike.
Can you actually see anything through those Rizoma Mirrors on your S1000R , or are they just an expensive add on, thinking of a pair for my bike ? Cheers, great Review.
Unfortunately they are vibey, since going on the M I realise the same as theirs, but because smaller not as useful. The best mirrors are the Rizoma Stealth they are solid 👍🏻 Then if you want cheap and bar end the HJR are a good option, I did a review here: ruclips.net/video/-mZF755x070/видео.html
They are gai as fuck, your not flying a jet fighter, you are riding a bike.
A full system on the s1000 platform is WELL with doing. It really wakes the bike up! I also got the RS2E remap done too, and now it's a beast!
And their remap sorts out many things including the QS, rev cut, fuelling, cold start, intake/exhaust flaps etc etc
I’m doing this on mine soonish. Arrow headers, Akra pipe decat and flash.
@@yodomcat superb. It's a big job (took me 8hrs total over a weekend and a few lunch breaks). I didn't rush it just took my time. I removed the rear o2 sensors too as they have been mapped out. Did you go full titanium? Who's doing your mapping? Any questions with the install, let me know.
@@lordgibbness still unsure on the titanium as can cover with a belly pan and not sure worth the £500 extra as no doubt will upgrade the M in 24 months. No remap just a flash and keep the sensors. Others have said runs fone
@@yodomcat yeah Ti is lovely as it blues up. But does cost you more for sure. A flash and remap will be the same thing... You don't need an ecu tune, you're correct, but it runs so much better with one. It bangs on upshifts, pops on the overrun (not from the fake pair valve, but proper motorsport fuel pops). The qs is much crisper (more like you found the M probably), less jerky at low rpms as the eco lean fuelling is fixed. My ECU was out of the bike for only 3 days while it went to those guys in Germany, so very quick turnaround. Was around £400 all in for the tune.
I did put a deposit on a SP2 but then realised I couldn't live without cruise control and that was enough to make me switch to this machine.
Isn’t it a £600000 extra from Ducati? 😂😂
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Yeah. Something like that. Ducati had a promotion going at the time where you get £2500 of free options. No cruise control though. That was extra, haha.
Love all the bikes today but since you talk about vibe and fun did you ever give the Super Duke a try? In my experience there is no naked on the market that provides soul and fun factor like the SD.....in fact nothing even comes close. I can see an RR on track being amazing and the R just seems like a naked RR......meaning a high reving race bike where the fun happens after you are already going way too fast. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have either the R or the RR in stable but I think I agree with you that the V4S would provide more smiles. I have a Pikes Peak and even at 170hp it is incredible, I can't imagine the 215HP V4R. One thing to consider is resale value, I imagine the M will hold its value better sort of justifying the higher price.......maybe....;-)
I love the 790/890 duke, but the super duke is just a bit too bonkers for me.
That is true but I find it to be what ever you want it to be. I ride all over town and aside from being a little lumpy at 10mph or less it is pretty gentle. I am just not a fan of parallel twins vs a big V twin like the 1290. I imagine that M series is bonkers too
@@chrisvantassel8867 I’m stressed on the SD and Aprillias, feel like if you’re not riding them hard they don’t feel right.
@@yodomcat I experienced that on gen 1 and 2 but gen 3 is much more rideable.
another review without corners
Keep peeled to the channel as I have some B footage going up soon and do a country lane.
But cut us reviewers some slack, it’s hard to ride a bike, talk about the bike, keep to some coherent script and stay alive. Then we get it in the neck riding too slow or too fast. You just can’t win 🤦🏻♂️
Totally agree. Americans are the worst for these types of useless reviews.
Does the m1000R vibrate like the s1000RR at high-speed??
Yes. For me it’s not an issue, but I know it is more so for others. Strangely for me my golfers and tennis elbows were better on the M than my S.
I hear the m1000r has some serious vibration on the handle bar which tires your arms hands out. How is the s1000 with vibration? it seemed more stable to me on the video.
I found vibes better with the M to my S. however since this video I have changed my S bars to M and that is a bit better but still not as good as the full M. So I think the combination of the bars with the smoother RR engine is what is doing it. Also the M I took out had the carbon wheels which may come into play also.
@yodomcat if i get the m what could i get aftermarket to reduce the vibration? I will be commuting about 180 miles regularly so i just dont want that souring the ride.
@@walter5401 bar ends are the obvious there is a brand heavier than stock (can’t think of their name); there is also some gloves you can get that you wear under yours which help. A taller screen will add downforce (but then the wings do that), then keep the revs either low or high. But I think you’re overthinking it; get one for a weekend and put some serious saddle time in and then you’ll know if it’s for you 👍🏻
@@yodomcat awesome thanks for the advice brother man
As a second bike would you choose this M1000R or the V4S?
Depends… What’s the first bike?
@yodomcat my other bike is something totally different, more of a daily rider/off road toy. It's a 2022 Honda Africa Twin 1100 Adventure Sports model.
@yodomcat I went and sat on both yesterday and both were comfortable for me. Unfortunately I cannot test ride either because I have to use an electronic shifter, my left foot does not work.
@@DLewisMoto it’s an amazing bike. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder so which would you feel more happy pulling up to the bike meet in. For me the bmw is perfect, but the Ducati has more prestige. At that level of cash though is there no way you can test ride with your foot?
@yodomcat unfortunately no because mounting the electronic shift cylinder requires some modification to the motorcycle that is not easily reversed, though minor.
I know I'd be thrilled with either machine. The Ducati V4 sounds amazing and does have prestige for sure. But the BMW M 1000R with all the carbon, wings and M bits is beautiful too.
Performance wise is the Ducati more hooligan machine and the bmw more refined race with decent in town manners?
It will still need a full exhaust tune and air filter i’m sure the bike will be much more fun once you unlock it and get the full potential
I’d say there is enough power without. Just whack a pro-race on to up the noise and done. On the S yes full system needed. 👍🏻
can please name your mirrors on the sport s1000r, thank you
Rizoma Circuit 👍🏻
@@yodomcat thank you, i just had a look on their website and will be ordering some mirrors 🙂 i also like the stealth they got 😅
@@flaviokepista9086 was talking with my friend over the weekend about his stealth and he still loves them. Says they are rock solid 👌🏻
@@yodomcat i think i will bite the bullet and order the stealth however is a tuff decision as i really like the same you got. there 2 things about the s1000r ididn't like it much wend i got it. 1 the exhaust which i changed for a sc-project.2 the mirros. mirros will be changed by christmas👍
Neutral? As a speed triple 1200RS rider, I say that neutral is a myth!
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You don't mention crucial point. Insurance is quadruple for the M.
Wasn’t for me. Double, but always is for first year of a new bike. That’s why I don’t mention as insurance is so widely different person to person.
Yeah bragging rights , not gonna pay that sort of wedge , stick with my 2022 r motorsport . But decent video
Its 10k more than your S1K?
There is no way it's worth 10k more. Its unstable at high speed. Vibration is ridiculous on mine now.
All it is is much faster. It's definitely not a better bike.
Mine is a £14k s-sport (and I’ve probably put £2k on it with billet bits etc over time). The base M is £19.4k and you’ll want to do levers and some carbon. £24k is the bike in the video, and you’d do nothing to it as it has everything! Apart from a better end can for noise.
I think we need to get Hanna on your bike to give us the definitive answer.
Carbon, cabon, kabon, kabooon! 😂
Your not just getting the engine for your money and your on the competition the standard m1000r is only £19500 ish, so you don’t have to pay £5500 more if you don’t want to, and if you spec up an s1000r there’s not much difference
Yes I covered this in the video. My bike is worth £12/13k if I sold. And to jump on the base M is £19.5k for me (and those with a S in the same position) the jump is £6k. More to the competition edition.
If you sped up a full M-sport billet pack/carbon pack etc then you’re at full M money, but you’ll have the XR engine and not the RR engine so in that position I’d deffo take a base M and forego some extras.
s1000r -1 sprocket and you no longer think about downshifting to overtake -;)
I’ve done done a tooth at the back on my S and also at the front (same as 2 on the back) and it’s all down to shift cam. It’s fantastic just ride everywhere in 2nd
@@yodomcat😊😊😊😊
I’ve ridden the streetfighter and the M1000R and I’ve owned the s1000r and by far the M1000R is the best bike and I’m sorry there is no comparison with the s1000r to the M1000R!! It sounds like you’re being a bit biased.
Didn’t think I was the M is the option to go for… if you can afford, but if you can’t afford the S is a cracking option. Which is why next season you’ll see a M on my drive 😹
@@yodomcat brilliant and I agree the s1000r is a fantastic bike without a doubt, but the M1000R is in another league, hope you have a great time with your new bike!! Your a lucky guy 👍
would you pick a zh2 over this?
No chance! If you want to go fast in a straight line and have a heart attack on the way then yeah. Can you imagine riding one in winter! 😂
@@yodomcat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can't get passed the horrific giant yellow number plate.... wtf
That’s what a standard size looks like! If you check my channel I did a vlog on plate sizes and the legalities 👍🏻
Literally just look at Ducati v4 street fighter and the bmw s1000r
Which you buying?
M uses too much fuel compared to S, I can get 70kms more with the S before the light comes on.
6 months later on auto trader for £20500 and base model 15500 ..... sooner than you though !
More £17k; I wouldn’t trust a £15k one just yet!
In Race mode you get more pops
I was in race-pro. Same issue as the S, you need to put a stubby on or decat.
The old S1000r was far better than the Uero5 S1000r
I disagree I think the new bike is much nicer all over. However the old bike was very good and quicker some home tinkering. But the new digital upgrade and looks put the gen3 above.
I’d be pissed if I payed 25k for a bike that clunks every time you put it in first. It’s a nice looking bike but I’d rather the cb 1000r
I’ve not ridden a cb1000
thats newport p
Bits of it 👍🏻
The look of it from your rider's vantage point is ruined for me by the cheap-looking front brake reservoir. It really ought have a nice aluminium one like what Triumph offer.
Yeah some corners have been cut, but you can replace, however at this price point there is the argument for should you, but that’s how I suppose they have the price £5k cheaper than it’s rivals. I’d much rather look at that reservoir than Triumphs god awful UI of a dash, they need to roll the software back to 2019.
You all have to get rid of those massive yellow eye sore license plates
7x5 is still plenty big and acceptable to bikers! Though 7x4 is better 🫡
Some times it actually is the rider not the bike!
It’s always the rider. A friend of mine is the same height, age, weight, etc and we always disagree on bikes.
none!
Too powerful for a naked bike. Get a twin.😊
Yes and no. The electronics make it very manageable for day to day. And the power is very good for track, but above 130 staying on is the issue with all nakeds; but getting there 🤩
@yodomcat I have a Z900Rs cafe (nose fairing) and that is too fast for itself really. Above 80mph it is a chore.
Im gay
You should be looking at gixxer reviews then 😂
You don't DRIVE motorcycles.
It's hard to talk, ride, have an idea of what to say, stay alive, etc. Wording mistakes will happen.
Yep, he flies it
Technically you do.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 bollocks!
Definition of drive: "operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle". You're wrong,