Late reply but how do I route midscreen against smol characters? I can get a combo in the corner with J.h > delay J.d but I can't get anything midscreen really
Very cool, thanks for sharing. I love your specific tech you share on your channel. Wondering if people are able to do the the same OS inputs for safe jump and high route on hit/block or if you have to commit to the high route (not safe)? For example if you go for otg cS into jS into 2K while blocking, this is a safe jump and combos on hit. However, if you go for otg cS into jS jump cancel, you are not able to block the DP? The jump input only becomes airborne jump cancel on hit/block, so against DP (jS whiffs) the jump input turns into a standing jump upon landing which is unsafe and prevents you from fuzzy blocking the DP. I'm pretty sure this interaction is the same across the board for other chars with the same set up but just wanted to ask in case I was missing something. Basically you can auto pilot the safe jump into low route (also catches backdash), but the high route is not safe to DP?
In some limited labbing I was able to OS DPs fairly consistently. If they DP, the j.S whiffs and you land into ground block before the hitstop frames when you'd jump cancel. Pretty tricky execution but it's definitely possible. In any case no one's going to DP the set up in a longer set after you safe jump them twice and take off 70% in the resulting punish combo
@@ram_apologist I was thinking about this sort of thing--that it might be possible to fuzzy jS block jump, and if executed properly you may be able to whiff jS into block or jS into jump cancel in time. In my practice I wasn't able to get the jump cancel while simultaneously blocking. Just for an experiment, I even tried doing jS block back jump, where you would be holding back for the entire duration you were in the air. The problem I get is if the jS whiffs, the jump input registers as stand jump once you land, so it doesn't matter if you're blocking, the moment you land your character goes into jump startup frames and will get hit by DP. If you are able to consistently OS jS whiff into block / hit into jump cancel, I'd love to see a video demo! But like you said if you just go for the safe jump after landing that should already be enough deterrent for them not to DP, so it's strong even if the high route is not DP safe.
I think using j.H to setup the fuzzy is better If they (deliberately or not) get hit crouching by the first j.S then the second whill whiff, whereas the groundbounce on j.H makes it connect if they get hit
I am trying to lab this right now and I can’t seem to hit the js on shorter characters should I delay the js in the air and risk a counter hit or should I just approach it differently instead of the js?
So I tried doing the safe jump after grab in practice tool and set Ky to either Vapor Thrust or backdash and I can't seem to get the timing for the c.S after landing to catch the backdash. It seems like to catch the backdash I have to c.S at a time where I can get DPed. Does anyone have any recommendations for timing the close slash to catch backdash while still getting the safe jump to avoid getting hit by DP/Super?
It won't work directly after 2D, but you can just go into rekka after 2D and do it from there, though probably you would combo instead in jealousy. She does at least still get a safe jump after rekka knockdown in normal
This only works if the opponents was standing on the first hit. If he was crouching on the first hit, the 2nd hit is going to miss. Tried it in game and labbed it as well and I can confirm. If you see the opponent crouching on the first hit, do not jump it will wiff and you'll be an easy victim for counter punish. You can save yourself last minute if you roman cancel in the air but yeah...
I'm not understanding what you mean. How is the opponent going to be crouching on the first hit? The whole point of the falling jS after the OTG cS is to make them block standing so you can high/low from there.
second js whiffs vs smol chars like gio so u gotta use jh and route a bit differently
Late reply but how do I route midscreen against smol characters? I can get a combo in the corner with J.h > delay J.d but I can't get anything midscreen really
i cant hit the 2k what am i doing wrong?
We can fix her she is too fun to play we will make her viable if its the last thing we do even in her worst match ups!!!
I was doing this in the corner with a Otg 2p into JP to auto time the JS and doing the same mix. Now it's time for the Otg mid screen fuzzy
jp idea lit thx
Man, when people say ABA plays like she does in +R, they really meant it
DDS 2 OST ❤️
What's the track name?
@@Smitteys86 Heroic Battle
One of the best smt games in my opinion (also because of the soundtrack)
@@alfredogrande413 More of a fact than an opinion
Very cool, thanks for sharing. I love your specific tech you share on your channel.
Wondering if people are able to do the the same OS inputs for safe jump and high route on hit/block or if you have to commit to the high route (not safe)? For example if you go for otg cS into jS into 2K while blocking, this is a safe jump and combos on hit. However, if you go for otg cS into jS jump cancel, you are not able to block the DP? The jump input only becomes airborne jump cancel on hit/block, so against DP (jS whiffs) the jump input turns into a standing jump upon landing which is unsafe and prevents you from fuzzy blocking the DP. I'm pretty sure this interaction is the same across the board for other chars with the same set up but just wanted to ask in case I was missing something.
Basically you can auto pilot the safe jump into low route (also catches backdash), but the high route is not safe to DP?
That's correct!
@@shanksrc3511 Thanks, that's good to know!
In some limited labbing I was able to OS DPs fairly consistently. If they DP, the j.S whiffs and you land into ground block before the hitstop frames when you'd jump cancel. Pretty tricky execution but it's definitely possible. In any case no one's going to DP the set up in a longer set after you safe jump them twice and take off 70% in the resulting punish combo
@@ram_apologist I was thinking about this sort of thing--that it might be possible to fuzzy jS block jump, and if executed properly you may be able to whiff jS into block or jS into jump cancel in time. In my practice I wasn't able to get the jump cancel while simultaneously blocking. Just for an experiment, I even tried doing jS block back jump, where you would be holding back for the entire duration you were in the air. The problem I get is if the jS whiffs, the jump input registers as stand jump once you land, so it doesn't matter if you're blocking, the moment you land your character goes into jump startup frames and will get hit by DP.
If you are able to consistently OS jS whiff into block / hit into jump cancel, I'd love to see a video demo!
But like you said if you just go for the safe jump after landing that should already be enough deterrent for them not to DP, so it's strong even if the high route is not DP safe.
Oh my god thank you
Any tips to get the second j.S? I am struggling quite a bit with it
I think using j.H to setup the fuzzy is better
If they (deliberately or not) get hit crouching by the first j.S then the second whill whiff, whereas the groundbounce on j.H makes it connect if they get hit
I noticed that I needed to do j.H on shorter characters also because the j.S would just wiff on every rushdown character except millia
And I believe Elph too
I am trying to lab this right now and I can’t seem to hit the js on shorter characters should I delay the js in the air and risk a counter hit or should I just approach it differently instead of the js?
Apparently (according to another comment) you gotta use j.h and route differently.
So I tried doing the safe jump after grab in practice tool and set Ky to either Vapor Thrust or backdash and I can't seem to get the timing for the c.S after landing to catch the backdash. It seems like to catch the backdash I have to c.S at a time where I can get DPed. Does anyone have any recommendations for timing the close slash to catch backdash while still getting the safe jump to avoid getting hit by DP/Super?
This is like a normal guilty gear mix if you play the old games.
I'm an xrd player ;)
The way this is being attributed to gobou when a ton of people were doing it day 1 because fshikis have been in this game since forever.. .
Fun fact, this doesn't work if the opponent is face down for whatever reason, so it won't work off 2D or Danzai.
It won't work directly after 2D, but you can just go into rekka after 2D and do it from there, though probably you would combo instead in jealousy. She does at least still get a safe jump after rekka knockdown in normal
are fuzzy important to learn at all ranks?
in all honesty, no. This is a niche thing that will be used by players that are usually higher level.
thank you thank you, ABA's my main now, making a saucy video for her, this will boost my gameplay!
Maybe I have never used this…
but I would use this depending on how difficult the fuzzy guard is against this
ok but wut if they spam my friend spams and it just works :/
Then you're messing up the timing
For some reason I keep whiffing the 2k even though it connect if I do jS, jH, 2k raw without the otg part.
Dds 2 music 😊 (also great guide! this helps a ton)
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Damn, this is like +R level shenanigans
I have trouble going the first jS so low that the second jS and jH connect... is there some trick? Not very good at jump cancelling like that.
I'm using j.H. if you want to use j.S you can immediately whiff j.P to auto time the j.S
@@noctuid9353 Whiff the jP as soon as you leave the ground?
this is great
sry, what does "otg" stands for?
off the ground, Using specific moves to hit the opponent while they are knocked down
Well, i guess it's a good time to start praticing my Axl
This only works if the opponents was standing on the first hit. If he was crouching on the first hit, the 2nd hit is going to miss. Tried it in game and labbed it as well and I can confirm. If you see the opponent crouching on the first hit, do not jump it will wiff and you'll be an easy victim for counter punish.
You can save yourself last minute if you roman cancel in the air but yeah...
It doesn't matter if they're crouching if you start with j.H instead
@@noctuid9353 I'll have to lab that one out first! Then I'll confirm with my Scientific Papers.
@@noctuid9353 jH is very hard to land consistently :|
I'm not understanding what you mean. How is the opponent going to be crouching on the first hit? The whole point of the falling jS after the OTG cS is to make them block standing so you can high/low from there.
AND EVEN AFTER THIS PEOPLE SAY ABA IS MID
my dude, having a 50/50 does not make you a top tier in ggst
Why are you calling it Gobou's mixup basically every ABA player does this it was found day 1 by everyone lol
Why you are here
@@ammi5311
Gobou was first person I saw do it
@@shanksrc3511nah youre right this was NOT day 1
I think tiger pop posted a variation of this from awt but gobou is the first person that's been doing it consistently in matches