Excellent Video! Love cemetery and its new historical dedications! The leaflet looks great and I know so many more people will want to visit and learn more!
Fascinating stuff Edward. Thank you. Well done Manor Park too for the history trail and the information leaflet. Keeping history alive and honouring those who have passed on.
that is very clever I congratulate you for produceing such an interesting film people will be watching this vid into the undseeable futuer (please excues my spelling) ttfn&ty
Such an interesting video! Thank you so much! Your passion for the subject of Jack The Ripper is truly infectious!! I have many books on the subject and visit Whitechapel almost every week and soak up the atmosphere as i walk the streets, knowing that Jack The Ripper walked these exact streets also, and of course, his poor and vulnerable victims.. Your videos are so informative and very much enjoyed. THANK YOU!!
Ed - I watched an interview with Christer Holmgren and I'm trying to make sure I have the facts straight. Not sure if going into detail in a future video would be worth it for you, but here's what I'm thinking. The two professors said the maximum time for blood to be flowing freely (not coagulated) for a person in Polly's position and in those conditions is 15 minutes, specifically 10 to 15 minutes, with 15 being most unlikely. PC Mizen said blood was flowing at 3:54. 3:54 minus 15 minutes is 3:39. Lechmere said he left his house at 3:30 and didn't stop until he saw the body. The walk from 22 Doveton to Buck's row is 7 minutes. That puts Lechmere in Buck's Row at 3:37 and the earliest Polly could have been slashed is 3:39. I'm pretty sure I must have some of these assumptions slightly off or that alone is an open and shut case against Lechmere. Where is the wiggle room or the mistakes in what I described above? Given that Paul touched her chest at 3:46 and saw no blood and that blood was pooling from 3:51 (1st PC) and 3:54 (PC Mizen), my timeline is Lechmere leaves his house somewhat before 3:30. He makes contact with Polly around 3:35 and they walk together to Buck's Row. Lechmere strangles her 3:37 - 3:41, begins slashing from 3:41 - 3:43 when he begins to hear Paul's footsteps. He quickly covers the wounds and stands up and out and makes the decision to bluff his way with Paul, probably positioning himself for a quick fatal attack of Paul as he examines Polly's body. Unsure if he was detected, Lechmere shadows Paul while Lechmere is thinking of how to make it past the police and kill Paul if the need or opportunity arises.
Another interesting episode .I often wondered about the "going forward" story .Not that I expected much info. People from that era were reticent about the past. I spent some time with my grandmother born 1884. She had an older sister who was working in service in London around the time of the murders and they were concerned about her because her nickname was Polly. The family story goes that "Polly" was street slang for a street walker in those days although I`ve been unable to confirm that fact. I`ve never found Victorians to be overly concerned about facts . Its more often what they themselves believed.
None of the Lechmere family had any idea Charles was even involved. I recall Edward had some interaction with a girl from the Lechmere family besides May, who also stated they had no idea whatsoever and it was a shock.
@silentcapture1994 The camera woman is Lechmere's decendent. The only thing he did leave behind is he's photograph for the world to see taken in 1912. The rest is history which he took to he's grave.
@@silentcapture1994strange that the story of dad/grandad/uncle etc ‘finding’ the first canonical victim, did not get passed down the family. It was such a massive story then and now
@@theresamacarty5507That's why the mystery goe's on and the case was never solved because Lechmere slipped through the nett.. That's how other Ripperologist like it along with promoting their feeble suspects.
Very interesting video, I have quite a few of my family buried there, I know they keep trying to grab as much land as they can, I come from Ilford originally, the other Manor park cemetery was somewhere off the Romford road, my grandfather was buried there, City of London is the name now I believe, Quite a few interesting people buried here, an interesting day out no doubt ! Many thanks 👍
Your research has been exemplary. I have to ask, do you feel as if there will ever be information through your continued work/ research that would ever lead to conclusive evidence that your theory that Charles A. Lechmere was in fact the person responsible for the murders of the the canonical murders as well as the torso murders. Hopefully there will be that one shred of evidence still out there to make that difinative conclusions that Lechmere is your man. I think you are the one person that can pull this enormous feat off. Thank you! Excellent work. 😊
Im glad these women are not forgotten. Life marches on despite the tragedy. Would you ever consider a video with the males from the Lechmere family tree?. I think it would be interesting to see if any of them have Charles A. Lechmere's characteristics. Just a thought . Since we have only one known image of Charles. Thank you
I don't think mentioning Annie Chapman's cause of death demeans her. If anything it I think the words elevate her place in history, in a similar manner the soldiers who gave their lives in the World wars are commemorated. She's not just 'another name' in a graveyard, so to speak.
Thanks for all your interesting footage ed . What kind of shop did charles have in later life that made him "rich enough to have his picture taken " do you know how he got from carman to entrepreneur? Any relics of his in your family ? Aberline suggesting the juwes wasnt jack and just chance , any views on that ? I thought he was talking bullocks as the yanks like to say .
He had a local general store - a corner shop. I suspect he got the money from inheritances. His family in Herefordshire and Central London were wealthy.
Could the childrens' song of the time, which wen something like'Jack the Ripper is lying in his bed, and now he is dead' be a clue that the locals knew who Jack was?
I love your videos but I don't agree with you about putting the name, "Jack the Ripper" on her gravestone. It is supposed to be about her, not her murderer. I can't imagine anyone would think it tasteful if someone wrote, "Murdered by the infamous Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe" on one of the Yorkshire Ripper victim's graves.
@@kellybogues would you want your murderer mentioned on your headstone? It’s one thing to put a plague on the site of the murder. But a headstone shouldn’t read like a tourist attraction.
Im in two minds about this. She's only known to us because she was killed by Jack The Ripper and only cited on the historical map of the graveyard due to this. She's, unfortunately, become part of history because of that very fact and is indelibly linked to him. On the other hand, maybe they should have left the mention of JTR just on that other separate plaque? I don't know.
With regard to Annie Chapman's grave, doesn't putting "his" name or nickname on the grave stone make it more about "him" than it does the deceased? After all if you mentioned her name to random members of the public, most wouldn't have a clue who she was.
Either Lechmere was disturbed during the commission of Polly Nicholl's murder or he disturbed the killer. If the latter, he must have missed him by seconds, as Paul did not see a pool of blood and minutes later, PC Neal saw a pool of blood.
This is why the idea of Lechmere disturbing the killer is very problematic. He never said he saw or heard anything either. If innocent, that's very difficult to believe. If guilty that's easy to believe.
A very dignified video - & again a chance to applaud you for your major involvement in the Bethnal Green Memorial.
Fantastic channel with great content. I am surprised that there are so few subs only...
Thank you Edward for making all these superb vids. 😊😊😊
Excellent Video! Love cemetery and its new historical dedications! The leaflet looks great and I know so many more people will want to visit and learn more!
Glad you enjoyed it
Fascinating stuff Edward. Thank you. Well done Manor Park too for the history trail and the information leaflet. Keeping history alive and honouring those who have passed on.
Thanks Edward for another great video.
Great video as always , many thanks for making these.
Awesome vid Ed loved the walkaround
that is very clever I congratulate you for produceing such an interesting film people will be watching this vid into the undseeable futuer (please excues my spelling) ttfn&ty
Another great video, thank you Ed. Having May's coffee table is like owning a piece of history.
Many thanks for sharing another interesting and informative upload. Long Live Edward Stow!!!
Thank you Edward will watch tonight 👍
Another Great Video! Thanks for the hard work!
thank you ed.
Very interesting hearing about May. And that Bethnal Green tube disaster certainly had a deep connection in the area.
Thanks Ed.
definitely, May sounds like a very interesting lady.
Congratulations on 10K!
I have always wondered if the victims knew each other. They all seemed to live in the same doss houses.
Such an interesting video! Thank you so much! Your passion for the subject of Jack The Ripper is truly infectious!! I have many books on the subject and visit Whitechapel almost every week and soak up the atmosphere as i walk the streets, knowing that Jack The Ripper walked these exact streets also, and of course, his poor and vulnerable victims.. Your videos are so informative and very much enjoyed. THANK YOU!!
Thank you
Ed - I watched an interview with Christer Holmgren and I'm trying to make sure I have the facts straight. Not sure if going into detail in a future video would be worth it for you, but here's what I'm thinking. The two professors said the maximum time for blood to be flowing freely (not coagulated) for a person in Polly's position and in those conditions is 15 minutes, specifically 10 to 15 minutes, with 15 being most unlikely. PC Mizen said blood was flowing at 3:54. 3:54 minus 15 minutes is 3:39. Lechmere said he left his house at 3:30 and didn't stop until he saw the body. The walk from 22 Doveton to Buck's row is 7 minutes. That puts Lechmere in Buck's Row at 3:37 and the earliest Polly could have been slashed is 3:39. I'm pretty sure I must have some of these assumptions slightly off or that alone is an open and shut case against Lechmere. Where is the wiggle room or the mistakes in what I described above?
Given that Paul touched her chest at 3:46 and saw no blood and that blood was pooling from 3:51 (1st PC) and 3:54 (PC Mizen), my timeline is Lechmere leaves his house somewhat before 3:30. He makes contact with Polly around 3:35 and they walk together to Buck's Row. Lechmere strangles her 3:37 - 3:41, begins slashing from 3:41 - 3:43 when he begins to hear Paul's footsteps. He quickly covers the wounds and stands up and out and makes the decision to bluff his way with Paul, probably positioning himself for a quick fatal attack of Paul as he examines Polly's body. Unsure if he was detected, Lechmere shadows Paul while Lechmere is thinking of how to make it past the police and kill Paul if the need or opportunity arises.
There are many possibilities but all point to Lechmere's guilt
Wonderful video. Thank you!
Gr8 Stuff, Edward😀👍
Many thanks!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 No worries, Edward.😀👍
Thank you Edward.
Another interesting episode .I often wondered about the "going forward" story .Not that I expected much info. People from that era were reticent about the past. I spent some time with my grandmother born 1884. She had an older sister who was working in service in London around the time of the murders and they were concerned about her because her nickname was Polly. The family story goes that "Polly" was street slang for a street walker in those days although I`ve been unable to confirm that fact. I`ve never found Victorians to be overly concerned about facts . Its more often what they themselves believed.
When you met May or any of the other Lechmere family did they ever mention anything about Charles' personality to you?
None of the Lechmere family had any idea Charles was even involved. I recall Edward had some interaction with a girl from the Lechmere family besides May, who also stated they had no idea whatsoever and it was a shock.
@silentcapture1994 The camera woman is Lechmere's decendent. The only thing he did leave behind is he's photograph for the world to see taken in 1912. The rest is history which he took to he's grave.
@@silentcapture1994strange that the story of dad/grandad/uncle etc ‘finding’ the first canonical victim, did not get passed down the family. It was such a massive story then and now
@@theresamacarty5507That's why the mystery goe's on and the case was never solved because Lechmere slipped through the nett.. That's how other Ripperologist like it along with promoting their feeble suspects.
@@susanclapp1721I comb through the comments of Ed’s videos for interesting gems like that, thanks Susan!
Very interesting video, I have quite a few of my family buried there, I know they keep trying to grab as much land as they can,
I come from Ilford originally, the other Manor park cemetery was somewhere off the Romford road, my grandfather was buried there,
City of London is the name now I believe,
Quite a few interesting people buried here, an interesting day out no doubt !
Many thanks 👍
City of London is a different and bigger Cemetery - close to Manor Park. They often get confused.
Nice one Edward and thanks for the alert. I must say that Chapman's new memorial doesn't look that new. It's weathered very quickly.
True
Mr Stow, how did you meet Thomas Lechmere’s wife? I’m assuming you didn’t suspect Charles Lechmere to have been the Ripper in the 1980’s did you?
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😮Think you slightly misunderstood it
No one had any idea about Charles Lechmere back then. I knew and still know members of the Lechmere family.
Your research has been exemplary. I have to ask, do you feel as if there will ever be information through your continued work/ research that would ever lead to conclusive evidence that your theory that Charles A. Lechmere was in fact the person responsible for the murders of the the canonical murders as well as the torso murders. Hopefully there will be that one shred of evidence still out there to make that difinative conclusions that Lechmere is your man. I think you are the one person that can pull this enormous feat off. Thank you! Excellent work. 😊
Hate it when I don’t know the exact spot .
Im glad these women are not forgotten. Life marches on despite the tragedy.
Would you ever consider a video with the males from the Lechmere family tree?. I think it would be interesting to see if any of them have Charles A. Lechmere's characteristics. Just a thought . Since we have only one known image of Charles. Thank you
I don't think mentioning Annie Chapman's cause of death demeans her. If anything it I think the words elevate her place in history, in a similar manner the soldiers who gave their lives in the World wars are commemorated. She's not just 'another name' in a graveyard, so to speak.
most of my relatives are buried there
My sister is there too
🫶 My hero 🔪🎩
Thanks for all your interesting footage ed . What kind of shop did charles have in later life that made him "rich enough to have his picture taken " do you know how he got from carman to entrepreneur? Any relics of his in your family ? Aberline suggesting the juwes wasnt jack and just chance , any views on that ? I thought he was talking bullocks as the yanks like to say .
He had a local general store - a corner shop. I suspect he got the money from inheritances. His family in Herefordshire and Central London were wealthy.
Would love to have listened to the stories and conversation with May
I didn't know to ask at the time
Fascinating
Could the childrens' song of the time, which wen something like'Jack the Ripper is lying in his bed, and now he is dead' be a clue that the locals knew who Jack was?
I doubt it. I think he just entered local mythology
My darling sister is buried there
What did May think of Charles (aka Jack)?
Never mentioned him to me
I love your videos but I don't agree with you about putting the name, "Jack the Ripper" on her gravestone. It is supposed to be about her, not her murderer. I can't imagine anyone would think it tasteful if someone wrote, "Murdered by the infamous Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe" on one of the Yorkshire Ripper victim's graves.
Agreed. It negates the effort of erecting a new headstone when they just transferred the fiend’s moniker.
I think it's no problem for it to mention JTR on the headstone. It's history, and she is now history too.
@@kellybogues would you want your murderer mentioned on your headstone?
It’s one thing to put a plague on the site of the murder. But a headstone shouldn’t read like a tourist attraction.
@@davesmith7432 exactly that should be about her - she was a woman after all and not just his victim.
Im in two minds about this. She's only known to us because she was killed by Jack The Ripper and only cited on the historical map of the graveyard due to this. She's, unfortunately, become part of history because of that very fact and is indelibly linked to him. On the other hand, maybe they should have left the mention of JTR just on that other separate plaque? I don't know.
With regard to Annie Chapman's grave, doesn't putting "his" name or nickname on the grave stone make it more about "him" than it does the deceased? After all if you mentioned her name to random members of the public, most wouldn't have a clue who she was.
I can see your point. On the other hand those of us who do know of her ONLY know of her due to being indelibly linked to Jack The Ripper.
If it just said Annie Chapman, most people passing wouldn't know her significance
Either Lechmere was disturbed during the commission of Polly Nicholl's murder or he disturbed the killer. If the latter, he must have missed him by seconds, as Paul did not see a pool of blood and minutes later, PC Neal saw a pool of blood.
This is why the idea of Lechmere disturbing the killer is very problematic. He never said he saw or heard anything either. If innocent, that's very difficult to believe. If guilty that's easy to believe.
Interesting. Did May say anything about what the man was like to his family?
Nothing at all unfortunately
My my.. they’re giving that dead woman the same treatment when she was alive: there’s Charlie Uniform Mike on her grave
Ed, how come nobody knows who Jack the Ripper was?
We do.
Some of us know who JTR was. And if you're awake .. so will you.
@@susanclapp1721 Who was it sarco? give the proof
@@kevinkenny6975 Please tell Give the proof.?
@@davidhynes9683 You know already. Go to another site like Steve Blomer as you are obviously anti lechmere
I'm anti woke but still think they shouldn't have put that on the headstone.
Agreed.
I can see your point. On the other hand, without being indelibly linked to Jack The Ripper there wouldn't even be that gravestone.
@@lyndoncmp5751 True