I think she was. It’s not that far a walk from where Stride was found to where Eddowes was found. I think the killer was interrupted extremely early on Stride, and he was so frustrated that he had to abandon Stride’s corpse, that he wouldn’t settle for this “loss of opportunity.” He left the area to escape detection by the Metropolitan Police, crossed over jurisdictions to the original city of London, and went in a direction to a public place that was known to be frequented by prostitutes. He ran into Eddowes and did to her what he would’ve done to Stride.
@@PatrickWhelan-sp1thStride was imo a decoy killing as the gateway to Dutfield yard is hardly the place to mutilate successfully without being caught with so many men coming in or out of the red meeting but with the the cops running to the scene it enabled the same killer's to find and destroy Eddows around 1 hour later in relative safety which is a massive coincidence unless both murders are linked and the killer's where at the yard .
Great discussion. Mr. Blomer's explanation of the knife length debate makes perfect sense. I think he has made the case well. Thanks to both Mr. Blomer and Mr. Jones!
Jack the Ripper is a fascinating case that will never be solved ever, who ever he was he took that secret to his grave, and it probably is a pauper's grave. He may be lying beside one of his victims. We don't even know how many victims they are, 5 or 9 or 11, that's 6 killers or 11 killers that got away with murder at that time. How good were the police officers who were investigated this case. Elizabeth Stride, i think she was one of Jack's, and he was interrupted very early on. If Martha Tabram was Jack's he used 2 weapons, so Jack may have carried more than 1 knife's every time he was on the prowl that could explain the different knife that was used on Stride. Your videos are excellent, keep up the good work.
Awesome video as always. I think there is so much BS going around about JtR, it would be great to have a video on what evidence (if any) actually still exists today. Either with the police or in the JtR museum. Also, are there any plans to do a live Q&A?
I always wondered how the doctors thought that they could tell the length of knife from a slash. Now I can see for myself (or hear) that they never did. That answers that question, at least 😂
I agree with Steve there . The docs would have known the size and shape of the blade used simply by the mutilations , the point of entry and depth of the wounds . In Elizabeth Strides case there was no such wounds. Schwartz account of Liz Stride being grabbed by the shouldera was also backed up by Phillips and Blackwell, Blackwell in particular goea on to describe pressure marks found on the shoulders that couldnt be described as bruises , but wete fresh marks that occurred clise to the time of death , adding more weight to Schwatz statement . Incidentally , they did think two different knives were used in Martha Tabrams murder , one being a very short pladed knife, the other a pionted long bladed knife ..The smaller kbife must have left similar marks .. Cant see em being mistaken on that
Whitechapel Murderer. I often think the same thing. I've read everything from the suspect being short and stout, to sailor like in appearance. I'd like to see an episode on that 🍻
What about the strangulation aspect of the crimes? My understanding is that there is evidence of strangulation in the Nichols, Chapman and Eddowes murders, but none on Stride, which was also a contributing factor in the belief that she was not killed by Jack?
The lack of evidence for strangulation makes me think Stride was not part of the series. Plus the murderer runs away from the scene to go murder elsewhere? That's some risk taking. It's possible, but on balance I don't think the Stride murder was done by the same murderer as Eddowes and the others.
Something went wrong early on in the Liz Stride attack. She was supposed to go willingly into Dutfield’s Yard with her killer. She didn’t. Liz was suspicious of this potential customer and said, “No, not tonight ol’ cock” The killer instead of searching out another victim, suddenly attacked Liz Stride on the street. Witnessed by Schwartz and one other person. How did Liz Stride get from the street pavement to the laneway entrance to Dutfield’s Yard? Was she strangled on the pavement, dragged into laneway where she had her throat cut. Hard to believe that Liz would go quietly to her death after the initial street tussle.
@@drbigmdftnu No, no strangulation on Stride. I've only heard it brought up if someone is trying to illustrate why they believe Liz wasn't a Ripper victim, other than that it's neglected. I've never heard anyone debunk it.
@MrMustard-r5m that's very interesting. No strangulation. A more quick, impulsive act by the same killer or different altogether? Such a risk-taker too - proceeding with the murder knowing he'd been seen ? Or did he not realize that Schwartz had seen him? And the "pipe-man" too? Or was he an accomplice? The Stride murder does have some significant differences. Whether that indicates a different killer or not is puzzling.
Excellent discussion. This is the sort of conversation that helps propel useful thought into this complex case. I would love to see a contemporary catalog of the common trade knives of the era. Is anyone aware of such a resource?
Steve Blomer is one of a handful of Ripperologists I enjoy listening to. Even if I'm not sure I agree with any given point he lays his points out very well.
I think they focused on Kosminsky and the other subjects because they were Jews. There was a lot of antisemitism in England at the time and there still is even now. But it is unlikely that Kosminsky was the killer of any of the victims for several reasons. He was the one who discovered Stride's body, and he reported this immediately to the police. Of course the police immediately considered him as a suspect because he had found the body. But after detaining him and questioning him instensely for seveeral days, they concluded he was unlikely to be the killer. For one thing, he cried profusely when discussing her murder, and the police had learned to distinguish between false and real tears, He claimed that stride was his "friend." The police believed that Kosminsky's acquaintance with stride resulted from his patronage of her as a prostitute. However, they considered it possible that he had come to think of Stride as his "friend," because as he put it, she was always very kind to him." Other problems with Kosminsky as a suspect: he was complete illiterately both in English and even his native Yiddish.But they believed "Jack" could read and write English, although badly and making many grammatical and spelling errors, on the basis of the "Jack the Ripper" letter and other letters that they believed were writtne by him.. The police believed that "Jack" was of normal intelligence, possibly even above-average intelligence, while Kosminski was of subnormal intelligence. What was at the time called an "imbicile." They believed that "Jack" was very clever bececause he eluded arrest many times. But no one who knew Kosminsky thought that he was the least bit clever. So eventually they concluded that "Jack" was unlikely to be the culprit and let him go. This has not stopped many, perhaps most "ripperologists from naming him as the guilty party.
Aaron Kosminski didn't discover Stride's body, Louis Diemschutz did. Maybe you're referring to Charles Lechmere, who discovered Polly Nichol's body? If so, they weren't friends, considering she was deceased when he first encountered her.
I have no reason to think that the police around the end of the 19th century were more competent than those of our own time, and so think the argument "they must have had a reason" is exceedingly weak.
I think her injuries and their similarity to the other victims are more important than the knife. He could have lost his original knife. It could have been stolen or broken. He could have just wanted a change. Not all serial killers use the same tools or technique every time they kill. Ted Bundy certainly didn't. Great episode, as always.
A possible type of knife I never see mentioned is to gut fish, such as Joseph Barnett might have possessed before or even while he was a fish porter. That might also be the reason the murders ended abruptly, after he had killed his girlfriend
What we do know is that there was an immense attention seeking around the murders - made-up testimonies, made-up articles, made-up letters. We must expect 'a knive found' to belong to the same category. Don't thing more of it.
The knife talked about might just have been accidentally dropped. Say it was put close to the edge of a cart when dealing with something and then rolled off, like when you put something on the roof of your car and then drive away.
Great video. However, I have to disagree with Steve here. If Schwartz was the witness, he wouldn’t have been identifying a fellow Jew, but a local. It is a made up assumption that Schwartz identified a Jew.
On Casebook, there is a diagram that shows the cuts on Polly, Annie, Catherine and Mary. They look to be an escalation of the same cutting method. I know it doesn't prove anything, though.
Louis Diemschutz story that he thought his Jewish wife was " perhaps " lying there in the entrance is Totally Unrealistic - Jews generally didn't drink and the idea of his wife showing him and being allowed to show Louis such Massive Disrespect - Ludicrously Questionable ? .
In my opinion Eddows and Kelly were murdered by the same person. This would be a different person than the three first murders. There was a good reason why Eddows wasn't afraid of Jack the Ripper. It's the same reason why Kelly isolated herself with her murderer in her own room.
I respectfully disagree. I believe Nichols, Chapman, and Eddowes are connected to JtR. Not sure about Stride. As for Kelly, she was done by Hutchinson or Barnett.
There will be a 2nd Article in Ripperologist magazine covering the non canonical wounds and knives. And who knows, maybe another chat with Richard after that.
I believe Aaron K and Jacob Levy worked together. It is odd that there are no photos of either one of them. Coincidence,maybe or could they have looked similar, same height etc that the police had no idea who was who?
Whoever thinks she wasn't is an idiot. Its way to coincidental. Crime actually was only bad on some streets and murder was actual very uncommon. The east end wasn't as bad as u think. It was bad but there were good parts to. Theres no way two women were killed hours away from each other on the same night. Less than a mile away. Its to coincidental
Imo jtr Could've Borrowed, Stolen or Bought a New knife or he either had it in his collection of knives, I Doubt a killer like Jack Would 0nly have the 1 knife..It's also on many YT Channels that he had Surgeons Skills/ Experience ...Imo jack escaped with a horse carriage& possibly had an accomplice/ assistant .he possibly wore black leather gloves..I bet he was well known, wealthy& living in plain sight....He is long gone,130yrs now.... He possibly had Broad Shoulders, Wearing a hat& had Curly moustache& Tall in height...The policemen possibly questioned him back then??...My question is: Didn't they find DNA from the Suspect??jtr?
I think a Horse and Carriage is too obvious and too out in the open. While they were common I don't know how common they were in the early hours down backstreets etc... With regards to DNA, the problem is that I think he left virtually no evidence at the scenes of the murders. The police also didn't know about DNA back then so any hair samples, blood etc... were probably just ignored. Finally any evidence that did exist, for example the pieces of clothing found in a door way is probably long gone by now. Apparently so much of the case files were lost during the second world war during the blitz along with most of the evidence.
As I recall, DNA testing was done from an article of clothing said to have been from Catherine Eddowes, compared to descendants of the Kosminski family. However, there is no record in the police clothing inventory of the article used for testing, so it has no actual provenance to the victim. And there were, I think, legitimate contamination questions due to the number of handlers of the material over more than a century. In the end, the tests were meaningless.
DNA was found on a "shawl" that was never mentioned in evidence, that turned out to be the end of a table runner and allegedly belonged to Catherine Eddowes. It was also allegedly in the posession of a Police Officer of the time who "worked on the case". The first problem with this, is that the Police Officer in question worked for Scotland Yard, and the shawl was supposed to have come from Catherine Eddowes,whose murder was dealt with exclusively by The Metropolitan Police. So he would have been highly unlikely to have come into contact with any evidence in the case. Let alone have the opportunity to steal it from evidence. The second problem with it is the obvious 100 years of contamination. They even allowed the descendants against whose DNA it was tested, into the room with the shawl prior to testing. If they had even breathed heavily over it, they would have deposited THEIR OWN DNA onto the shawl. Finally the test on the mitochondrial DNA was so broad that it would have been possible for tens of thousands of people (possibly far more) to have shared the DNA marker that was identified. It tested for a common ancestor, in the same way that at around the same time scientists were discovering that there are millions of men who share a DNA marker with Genghis Khan... "The DNA and The Shawl", is the Ripper equivalent of the Turin Shroud..
No. Stride is not an authentic jtr victim. Her killer is right handed. Jtr is left handed-some evidence against her victim hood. Her & Martha tabram were slain by right handed perps. But there were slaughterhouses in the area on bucks row on Nichols murder. It’s the same type of person-a butcher-if not the same perp unless he’s double handed
I love Richard. He’s the best. so is Steve. Very thoughtful. These guys live this stuff. I don’t think anybody back then could tell what kind of knife was used. It’s all speculation. Just like it is with us today as we try to solve the impossible. My guess is the only thing you could really tell is whether a knife was extremely sharp or not. I think a dull knife leaves evidence of itself. Maybe, as they indicate, you can gain some information from a stab wound. But there were a few of those. Jack was a slasher and a dissector. I never thought it was Aaron Kosminski. From what I could read from his trial, he was an imbecile and impaired. I think Jack was smarter. I think he had the ability to evade. Therefore, I think his knife was something that would’ve been commonly seen in that area. Likely a butchers knife on the small side.
The majority of the eye witness reports come down to two men. One being a man of a foreign or Jewish appearance, and the other a short, stout local. The problem with the foreigner is that this was during the height of antisemitism and if any local saw a working girl with a foreign (Jewish) man then this was widely reported, or at least more so then seeing a working girl with a local.
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I think she was. It’s not that far a walk from where Stride was found to where Eddowes was found. I think the killer was interrupted extremely early on Stride, and he was so frustrated that he had to abandon Stride’s corpse, that he wouldn’t settle for this “loss of opportunity.” He left the area to escape detection by the Metropolitan Police, crossed over jurisdictions to the original city of London, and went in a direction to a public place that was known to be frequented by prostitutes. He ran into Eddowes and did to her what he would’ve done to Stride.
I agree I think it's so obvious
@@PatrickWhelan-sp1thStride was imo a decoy killing as the gateway to Dutfield yard is hardly the place to mutilate successfully without being caught with so many men coming in or out of the red meeting but with the the cops running to the scene it enabled the same killer's to find and destroy Eddows around 1 hour later in relative safety which is a massive coincidence unless both murders are linked and the killer's where at the yard .
Isn't this reading the mind of someone who's not been identified?
Great discussion. Mr. Blomer's explanation of the knife length debate makes perfect sense. I think he has made the case well. Thanks to both Mr. Blomer and Mr. Jones!
I always look forward to your videos 💯🇮🇪
Jack the Ripper is a fascinating case that will never be solved ever, who ever he was he took that secret to his grave, and it probably is a pauper's grave. He may be lying beside one of his victims. We don't even know how many victims they are, 5 or 9 or 11, that's 6 killers or 11 killers that got away with murder at that time. How good were the police officers who were investigated this case. Elizabeth Stride, i think she was one of Jack's, and he was interrupted very early on. If Martha Tabram was Jack's he used 2 weapons, so Jack may have carried more than 1 knife's every time he was on the prowl that could explain the different knife that was used on Stride. Your videos are excellent, keep up the good work.
Awesome video as always. I think there is so much BS going around about JtR, it would be great to have a video on what evidence (if any) actually still exists today. Either with the police or in the JtR museum. Also, are there any plans to do a live Q&A?
Insightful as always 👍👍🍻
Martin Fido RIP. A man greatly missed.
I always wondered how the doctors thought that they could tell the length of knife from a slash. Now I can see for myself (or hear) that they never did. That answers that question, at least 😂
Some very good points here. Many thanks :)
I agree with Steve there . The docs would have known the size and shape of the blade used simply by the mutilations , the point of entry and depth of the wounds . In Elizabeth Strides case there was no such wounds. Schwartz account of Liz Stride being grabbed by the shouldera was also backed up by Phillips and Blackwell, Blackwell in particular goea on to describe pressure marks found on the shoulders that couldnt be described as bruises , but wete fresh marks that occurred clise to the time of death , adding more weight to Schwatz statement . Incidentally , they did think two different knives were used in Martha Tabrams murder , one being a very short pladed knife, the other a pionted long bladed knife ..The smaller kbife must have left similar marks .. Cant see em being mistaken on that
There must be an episode somewhere examining all the witness descriptions and determining what the WCM looked like
WCM?
@@rogerscottcathey white chapel murderer
no it is england - he was wearing a Top hat and monicle, not a WCM.
Whimsical Cranberry Musckuloid.
Whitechapel Murderer. I often think the same thing. I've read everything from the suspect being short and stout, to sailor like in appearance. I'd like to see an episode on that 🍻
What about the strangulation aspect of the crimes? My understanding is that there is evidence of strangulation in the Nichols, Chapman and Eddowes murders, but none on Stride, which was also a contributing factor in the belief that she was not killed by Jack?
I hadn't heard that. No strangulation on Stride?
The lack of evidence for strangulation makes me think Stride was not part of the series. Plus the murderer runs away from the scene to go murder elsewhere? That's some risk taking.
It's possible, but on balance I don't think the Stride murder was done by the same murderer as Eddowes and the others.
Something went wrong early on in the Liz Stride attack. She was supposed to go willingly into Dutfield’s Yard with her killer. She didn’t. Liz was suspicious of this potential customer and said, “No, not tonight ol’ cock” The killer instead of searching out another victim, suddenly attacked Liz Stride on the street. Witnessed by Schwartz and one other person. How did Liz Stride get from the street pavement to the laneway entrance to Dutfield’s Yard? Was she strangled on the pavement, dragged into laneway where she had her throat cut. Hard to believe that Liz would go quietly to her death after the initial street tussle.
@@drbigmdftnu No, no strangulation on Stride. I've only heard it brought up if someone is trying to illustrate why they believe Liz wasn't a Ripper victim, other than that it's neglected. I've never heard anyone debunk it.
@MrMustard-r5m that's very interesting. No strangulation. A more quick, impulsive act by the same killer or different altogether? Such a risk-taker too - proceeding with the murder knowing he'd been seen ? Or did he not realize that Schwartz had seen him? And the "pipe-man" too? Or was he an accomplice?
The Stride murder does have some significant differences. Whether that indicates a different killer or not is puzzling.
As an old butcher, it sounds like a poultry knife was used.
im a chef and think a boning knife
Excellent discussion. This is the sort of conversation that helps propel useful thought into this complex case. I would love to see a contemporary catalog of the common trade knives of the era. Is anyone aware of such a resource?
Steve Blomer is one of a handful of Ripperologists I enjoy listening to. Even if I'm not sure I agree with any given point he lays his points out very well.
I think they focused on Kosminsky and the other subjects because they were Jews. There was a lot of antisemitism in England at the time and there still is even now. But it is unlikely that Kosminsky was the killer of any of the victims for several reasons. He was the one who discovered Stride's body, and he reported this immediately to the police. Of course the police immediately considered him as a suspect because he had found the body. But after detaining him and questioning him instensely for seveeral days, they concluded he was unlikely to be the killer. For one thing, he cried profusely when discussing her murder, and the police had learned to distinguish between false and real tears, He claimed that stride was his "friend." The police believed that Kosminsky's acquaintance with stride resulted from his patronage of her as a prostitute. However, they considered it possible that he had come to think of Stride as his "friend," because as he put it, she was always very kind to him." Other problems with Kosminsky as a suspect: he was complete illiterately both in English and even his native Yiddish.But they believed "Jack" could read and write English, although badly and making many grammatical and spelling errors, on the basis of the "Jack the Ripper" letter and other letters that they believed were writtne by him.. The police believed that "Jack" was of normal intelligence, possibly even above-average intelligence, while Kosminski was of subnormal intelligence. What was at the time called an "imbicile." They believed that "Jack" was very clever bececause he eluded arrest many times. But no one who knew Kosminsky thought that he was the least bit clever. So eventually they concluded that "Jack" was unlikely to be the culprit and let him go. This has not stopped many, perhaps most "ripperologists from naming him as the guilty party.
Kosminsky discovered Stride's body? Is that what you're saying? And they were "friends"?
Aaron Kosminski didn't discover Stride's body, Louis Diemschutz did. Maybe you're referring to Charles Lechmere, who discovered Polly Nichol's body? If so, they weren't friends, considering she was deceased when he first encountered her.
@@JohnSmith-nu9jz Or Lechmere killed Nichols.
I have no reason to think that the police around the end of the 19th century were more competent than those of our own time, and so think the argument "they must have had a reason" is exceedingly weak.
I think her injuries and their similarity to the other victims are more important than the knife. He could have lost his original knife. It could have been stolen or broken. He could have just wanted a change. Not all serial killers use the same tools or technique every time they kill. Ted Bundy certainly didn't. Great episode, as always.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Wasnt there some mention also of Stride's murderer using the opposite hand of the other murders? Right to left or left to right - some discrepancy?
Interesting conversation, thank you. Personally I don't believe that the "canonical" five were all killed by the same person.
A possible type of knife I never see mentioned is to gut fish, such as Joseph Barnett might have possessed before or even while he was a fish porter. That might also be the reason the murders ended abruptly, after he had killed his girlfriend
What we do know is that there was an immense attention seeking around the murders - made-up testimonies, made-up articles, made-up letters.
We must expect 'a knive found' to belong to the same category.
Don't thing more of it.
I think that Tom Wescott makes an excellent point that the Goulston Street graffito was the killer saying that he was the perpetrator of both murders.
It's nothing of the sort. This is very unlikely to have been written by the killer.
The knife talked about might just have been accidentally dropped. Say it was put close to the edge of a cart when dealing with something and then rolled off, like when you put something on the roof of your car and then drive away.
A longer knife cuts deeper and more than one cut can be determined
Great video. However, I have to disagree with Steve here. If Schwartz was the witness, he wouldn’t have been identifying a fellow Jew, but a local. It is a made up assumption that Schwartz identified a Jew.
This is interesting.
If Jack carried a black bag,it would have held more than ☝ 🔪,or is the bag a red herring?
it was storage for the top hat and monicle
Still doubt it would hold an 18 inch knife.
If Jack even carried a bag
I'm not entirely sure MJK was a victim of the same killer (or killers) as the other three. Or two, depending on whether they were related at all
On Casebook, there is a diagram that shows the cuts on Polly, Annie, Catherine and Mary. They look to be an escalation of the same cutting method. I know it doesn't prove anything, though.
Louis Diemschutz story that he thought his Jewish wife was " perhaps " lying there in the entrance is Totally Unrealistic - Jews generally didn't drink and the idea of his wife showing him and being allowed to show Louis such Massive Disrespect - Ludicrously Questionable ? .
Process of elimination - it was George Hutchinson!!
In my opinion Eddows and Kelly were murdered by the same person. This would be a different person than the three first murders. There was a good reason why Eddows wasn't afraid of Jack the Ripper. It's the same reason why Kelly isolated herself with her murderer in her own room.
I respectfully disagree. I believe Nichols, Chapman, and Eddowes are connected to JtR. Not sure about Stride. As for Kelly, she was done by Hutchinson or Barnett.
@@doriennelewis3698 Yes I've thought this for ages. Thank god I've found someone on the same page as me 😆
No victim was afraid of the Ripper until it was too late...
What I was told,Ms.Stride was a lady with her own business & attractive.
Came from Sweden.There's a book on her , but it's £32 !
Do we know if there is any family members of the victims left because some victims had children so there must be some family left
Michael Moore has gone to seed.
22:10 I don't think chandlers would have cut much meat. Surely they'd have cut candles or blocks of soap.
Interesting as always.
Wasnt aaron kosminsky a 22 year old boy? Thats so sad. And he wasnt that bad looking. The times were so hard back then for most everyone
What about Tabrum? She had multiple stab wounds I believe. Would her murder weapon be consistent?
There will be a 2nd Article in Ripperologist magazine covering the non canonical wounds and knives.
And who knows, maybe another chat with Richard after that.
@stevenblomer7738 I'd love to hear the followup on this. Thanks Steve and, of course, Richard
I believe Aaron K and Jacob Levy worked together. It is odd that there are no photos of either one of them. Coincidence,maybe or could they have looked similar, same height etc that the police had no idea who was who?
its not odd at all given the price of photo's back then and the poorest area of London they lived in.
Yes, she was.....as was Martha Tabram......
Whoever thinks she wasn't is an idiot. Its way to coincidental. Crime actually was only bad on some streets and murder was actual very uncommon. The east end wasn't as bad as u think. It was bad but there were good parts to. Theres no way two women were killed hours away from each other on the same night. Less than a mile away. Its to coincidental
If I may suggest, your guest not repeating the same point 5 times.
Imo jtr Could've Borrowed, Stolen or Bought a New knife or he either had it in his collection of knives, I Doubt a killer like Jack Would 0nly have the 1 knife..It's also on many YT Channels that he had Surgeons Skills/ Experience ...Imo jack escaped with a horse carriage& possibly had an accomplice/ assistant .he possibly wore black leather gloves..I bet he was well known, wealthy& living in plain sight....He is long gone,130yrs now.... He possibly had Broad Shoulders, Wearing a hat& had Curly moustache& Tall in height...The policemen possibly questioned him back then??...My question is: Didn't they find DNA from the Suspect??jtr?
You do realise they didn't realise DNA existed. There were no real forensics in 1888.
I think a Horse and Carriage is too obvious and too out in the open. While they were common I don't know how common they were in the early hours down backstreets etc... With regards to DNA, the problem is that I think he left virtually no evidence at the scenes of the murders. The police also didn't know about DNA back then so any hair samples, blood etc... were probably just ignored. Finally any evidence that did exist, for example the pieces of clothing found in a door way is probably long gone by now. Apparently so much of the case files were lost during the second world war during the blitz along with most of the evidence.
I agree
As I recall, DNA testing was done from an article of clothing said to have been from Catherine Eddowes, compared to descendants of the Kosminski family. However, there is no record in the police clothing inventory of the article used for testing, so it has no actual provenance to the victim. And there were, I think, legitimate contamination questions due to the number of handlers of the material over more than a century. In the end, the tests were meaningless.
DNA was found on a "shawl" that was never mentioned in evidence, that turned out to be the end of a table runner and allegedly belonged to Catherine Eddowes. It was also allegedly in the posession of a Police Officer of the time who "worked on the case".
The first problem with this, is that the Police Officer in question worked for Scotland Yard, and the shawl was supposed to have come from Catherine Eddowes,whose murder was dealt with exclusively by The Metropolitan Police. So he would have been highly unlikely to have come into contact with any evidence in the case. Let alone have the opportunity to steal it from evidence.
The second problem with it is the obvious 100 years of contamination. They even allowed the descendants against whose DNA it was tested, into the room with the shawl prior to testing. If they had even breathed heavily over it, they would have deposited THEIR OWN DNA onto the shawl.
Finally the test on the mitochondrial DNA was so broad that it would have been possible for tens of thousands of people (possibly far more) to have shared the DNA marker that was identified. It tested for a common ancestor, in the same way that at around the same time scientists were discovering that there are millions of men who share a DNA marker with Genghis Khan...
"The DNA and The Shawl", is the Ripper equivalent of the Turin Shroud..
No. Stride is not an authentic jtr victim. Her killer is right handed. Jtr is left handed-some evidence against her victim hood. Her & Martha tabram were slain by right handed perps.
But there were slaughterhouses in the area on bucks row on Nichols murder. It’s the same type of person-a butcher-if not the same perp unless he’s double handed
I thought I knew everything. Didn't know it was a different knife.
That's the point it probable wasn't a different knife,
It might not have been a different one
I love Richard. He’s the best. so is Steve. Very thoughtful. These guys live this stuff. I don’t think anybody back then could tell what kind of knife was used. It’s all speculation. Just like it is with us today as we try to solve the impossible. My guess is the only thing you could really tell is whether a knife was extremely sharp or not. I think a dull knife leaves evidence of itself. Maybe, as they indicate, you can gain some information from a stab wound. But there were a few of those. Jack was a slasher and a dissector. I never thought it was Aaron Kosminski. From what I could read from his trial, he was an imbecile and impaired. I think Jack was smarter. I think he had the ability to evade. Therefore, I think his knife was something that would’ve been commonly seen in that area. Likely a butchers knife on the small side.
What trial?
I have never believed in the "double" event. I also think both the first and final victims were unrelated, giving the Ripper a body count of only two.
The majority of the eye witness reports come down to two men. One being a man of a foreign or Jewish appearance, and the other a short, stout local. The problem with the foreigner is that this was during the height of antisemitism and if any local saw a working girl with a foreign (Jewish) man then this was widely reported, or at least more so then seeing a working girl with a local.
Yes
When looking at the ripper case it’s important to separate fact from opinion… There is only one FACT that we know……
It was Maybrick!!!!!
Haunting (White) Chapel😮😮😮
No liz wasn't a victim of JTR.
And with that brilliant summization ladies and gentlemen we can close the argument
She was from Sweden
Supper
What is a knife??
An overused word ultimately become pure gibberish.
The graffitti was written by the KILLER in poor victims' blood!!!🩸🩸🩸😢😢😢