I've been following both the "Jack The Ripper Tours" and "House of Lechmere" channels for some time, so am delighted at this "joint" video: well done, gentlemen!
I'm with you on this i too have followed both RUclips Channels, I am 99.99% sure Lechmere is JTR and I feel this video provides an interesting look at Lechmere being the most likely suspect... Thank you for a very interesting video can't wait too see more soon...
Thank you Mr. Jones and Mr.Stow both for a tremendously interesting tour that, among a great many things, sorted out the position in which both policemen could have seen each other (that I had wrong because I’d failed to take the topography into consideration). It was really great to see the locations surrounding the murder scene to get a broader perspective. And of course, Mr.Stow’s knowledge is indeed both impressive and very valuable. I will now pop over to subscribe to his channel. Cheers!
I really really love Edwards style and I think he's right on the money. He knows the case, the area, the general history. I really think he's solved it.
He really has an amazing knowledge about the time, area and people - and even people connected to them. It would be fascinating to talk to him about this. I can't imagine all the research he's done!
Except he actually haven´t. He is just like most other Ripperologists. He bends facts to suit theories. There is literally nothing to tie Lechmere to the murders. Not one single thing. Nothing. It's all make belief, it's he could have this, he could have that. Meanwhile there is zero evidence he actually did any of it. So he solved nothing. The prime suspect based on what we actually do know, not what we speculate might have happened is Kosminski. Because unlike Lechmere Kosminski can be linked to two of the murders. No other suspect including Lechmere can be tied to two of the murders. But Kosminski can, and even then we can't point the finger at him and say point blank he did it. But he is and should remain the prime suspect based on what we actually do know, instead of what we guess might have happened.
This was a fantastic video! I find Mr. Stow to be so informative on this subject. I enjoy all his videos on his channel. Thank you for interviewing him!
A great collaboration. Ed sure knows his stuff about the East End. I’m shocked that the Coventry Street arch is being built over. I’m working on a series of articles about horse slaughtering called ‘Notes from Knackerdom’. I’m glad I managed to get a photo of the arch before it was mucked about with.
I feel sorry for "London" because they are still so embarrassed by the Ripper murders. Over the years London has gone out of its way to tear down the sites and build different buildings and change the roads, Thats' a shame. It's just history.
Fantastic work . Thank you to you both . Thank you for adding the typed summaries during the video and asking the great questions along the way that came to my mind also and Edward for the amazing history not only about the murder but also the treasure trove of White Chapel history.
This was a great video. It gives you a thorough run through of the locations Lech passed through, on his way to the murder scene, and beyond. Lots of information about the east end in general, and what the layout was on that fateful morning. Edwards added some touches to the narrative that I never though of.
Richard, you have really upped your game in recent months having Blomer, Stow and Holgrem on the channel and discussing the topics that actually matter.
Thanks for this Richard! I’m loving this series, as I mentioned before, and this interview and tour was a real treat and one of my personal highlights I must say! Edward Stow is so knowledgeable about not just JTR but all things East End. I subscribe to the House of Lechmere channel and the level of research and explanations is extensive and thorough. Shame about Charles Lechmere’ grave and I had no idea about the Herefordshire connections and the cat meat business! All in all,the whole tour along Bucks Row and the surroundings was very interesting. Thanks very much for such a lovely video! 👏👏👏👍👍👍
There’s a YT video where they show a photo of what each murder site looked like back then, an old photo, and fade it into a photo of nowadays. The comparison shows just how much the areas have changed.
I'm really pleased that this channel highlights so many different aspects of London's history. It's especially gratifying that the much maligned east is so prominent and not just because of JTR. On another note, the Salmon & Ball pub has such an old school feel to it. Really reminds me of pubs when I was a kid. Not too many of those types of places around nowadays.
As a long time fan of Ed and Richard it was a pleasant surprise to find this video. Your chemistry is great and I'm hoping you'd consider another collaboration one day! Thank You!
Absolutely amazing and so much great information..You’s two Gentlemen have so much knowledge and carful insight on this case and characters..Thank you both for one of the best u-tube uploads I’ve seen this year so far..I’ll be watching this a good few times👍
Has always facinated me. My 2x gt grandfathers autopsy was conducted by the same man that did the autopsies on the Ripper victims. The other side of my family had a horse slaughtering business at the end of Bucks Row.
out of all the Jack the Ripper documentaries and the suspects ive seen over the decades - the story of Lechmere is the most compelling - we will never know but his story seems like he would be the ripper.
This idea that serial killers don’t stop killing is false. It’s not common, but they do. Both Dennis Rader and Edmund Kemper stopped killing and Kemper in fact surrendered to the police. After what he did to MJK I think an argument can be made that JTR simply stopped and disappeared into history. Whoever he may have been.
To suggest that Lechmere was not Jack the ripper is to stretch credibility. People can cry 'circumstantial' if they wish, but when the circumstantial evidence piles up, we can't ignore it.
Excellent video about the strongest suspect so far. I always set little store on whether Lechmere can be eliminated as a suspect for some of the murders because there is dispute over when he set out for work or whether he had a day off work. He seems to have been employed by the same firm for many years and like many long established employees he might have been adept at coming or going at times as he pleased or taking a day off when it suited him. If he really was a narcissistic psychopath, it is likely that neither his wife nor his employer knew where he was half the time.
I agrree ..workers that have been with a company for a while seem to come and go when they please arriving late with no one keeping tabs on them sounds viable when it comes tp Mary Kelly
@@silverstuff182 No,it wasn't. You are right, they were pretty strict. Theywould have been reluctantly OK with Cross taking a morning to attend a Coroners Inquiry, but if he had been coming and going to suit his murders spree they would have been far less likely to tolerate it. It's another "how do we manipulate reality to helpit fit Lechmere?" He was a delivery driverfor one of the most prestigious moving companies in London. They kept tight schedules, and would not have looked kindly on their workers turning up late and covered in blood. He no more carried "meat" and would therefore be wearing a bloodstained apron than the Occado driver who delivers me bacon and sausages. The meat he delivered was wrapped andpackaged having already been processed. He wasn't hauling horse flesh round in the backof his cart.
Have there been any handwriting analysis studies done on Lechmere's handwriting and any of the suspected genuine ripper letters? I can't seem to find anything on it.
I’m particularly interested in Maria Lechmere (née) Roulson. Her father was the Butler of Edward Bolton Clive, a distant cousin of Clive of India. When EBC died he left a sizeable bequest to Maria’s father.
Wow! Besides your theories in "Ripperology", your knowledge of local history is very stimulating. I particularly liked your use of the term "psychogeography". I'll also check out the film "Sparrows Can't Sing".
48:41 Valance Rd, is that we’re the Krays lived? If so, a lot of history there. Along with Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky in a meeting either in that old building at the crime scene, or one no longer there knocked down. A lot of blood has been shed that all originated from that very small area. Edit 1:03:49 well, I was right about those, but there’s quite a bit more.
Yes, and there is actually footage of the road & inside their house just before it was demolished - search " The Krays Home - 178 Vallance Road just before demolition"
Lechmere's reason/excuse for going over to Polly seems odd. If he really thought it was a large (human body bulk in size) tarpaulin, then what? Did he plan to struggle with it and carry it all the way to work, and why would he? Pickfords had lots of them. Did he plan on taking it straight home, thus making himself a good 20 minutes late for work? Did he want to have a look at it for picking up later on his way back from work? Doubtful it'd still be there if it was any good. None of the above reasons make sense. On top of that, why did Lechmere linger after he'd seen it was a woman lying there and not a tarpaulin? There were no wounds visible, no blood noticeable. If we accept what we've all read about Whitechapel in the 1880s, people sleeping rough, drunkards, down and outs would have been a fairly common, even mundane, sight especially at that time of the morning. What was so special about Polly that enticed Lechmere to linger around instead of just shrugging and walking straight on to work?
I’ve answered this query of yours before. Do you know the dictionary definition of a ‘Tarpaulin’, do you know what it's used for? I’ll save you some time, it’s used to cover up things, that would have been Lechmere’s curiosity in approaching it. He might have thought there could be something of value underneath to steal. OK? I hope I don’t see you raise this comment again, otherwise you’ll have to be another member of the ’Lechmere clique’ whose comments I no longer read and totally ignore.
😂 Oh dear. 1. Nobody would leave anything of value under a tarp on the STREET side of the yard. Anything of value left under a tarp left in that location would be behind the yard doors. Sigh. 2. A typical female body is quite shallow in depth. What on earth could Lechmere think was underneath such a low 'rise' ? Planks of wood? Was he going to lug them to work too? Ive not read anywhere that Lechmere went over to this 'tarpaulin' to see what treasures lay underneath. I have not read anywhere that Lechmere said he went over to a tarpaulin that looked like it was covering goods. I see you forgot to address why instead of lingering around Lechmere didn't just shrug and move on when he saw it was a woman (that he didn't know had been killed or even been attacked). Such a sight would not be uncommon for those days and that time of the morning.
"another member of the ’Lechmere clique'" As opposed to the 'anti Lechmere clique'? You know, those few same posters who strangely never seem to obsessively argue against any other suspects..... suspects who are far more illogical than Lech. Odd that isn't it?
Susan Clapp, Exactly. A tarpaulin covering something only a body depth in height can't be covering much. All I've ever read is that Lechmere was interested in the tarpaulin itself yet Pickfords had lots of them.
When I first went there in the late 80s The Roebuck pub was still there and right opposite the murder site, Essex Wharf, was still there although very dilapidated. There was a watchman in Essex Wharf who didn't hear anything. Essex wharf was a red brick warehouse and it's name was on the front of the building in ornate Victorian writing.
Hiya Richard, I enjoyed this vlog, I tend to avoid the 1 hour vlogs, he's right on the money, is there any of the victims ancestory still live in the Whitechapel area? Edward's knowledge of Jack the Ripper is Excellent, this is Choppy in Whitehaven, Cumberland, England, the reason I put Cumberland is Where going back to Cumberland in 1 months time, the former name is Cumbria
I've been taking a closer look at Lechmere recently, as I've dismissed him offhand. I didn't find anything in this video that convinces me that Lechmere is more credible than any other suspect. I commend Edward Stowe for his knowledge of the area, and his contribution towards the memorial. Thank you Richard for this great channel.
I wonder if the description of the touching or Mary Ann Nichols was so heavily discussed as they didn't know she was dead, when the others clearly were?
Just had a thought whilst watching this. I wonder if Mrs Letchmere left a will stating in no uncertain circumstance is she to be 'buried next to him, the weirdo' or words to that effect and the effort WAS made to ensure she was laid to rest no where near him. You just don't know what goes on behind closed doors. This is so fascinating. thank you for your efforts.
Lechmere died in December 1920 and left a substantial estate of £12k (worth £700k adjusting for inflation). He was buried in an unmarked grave which might indicate what Mrs. Lechmere thought of him.
@@michaelwilliams3232 On top of that, somewhere else I heard he was buried in a pauper's grave. So she wasn't willing to spend any money on burying him either.
No, his suspect status is firmly based on his behaviour on the murder morning and his testimony at the inquest. It would take a very ill equipped advocate to squander it into a bad case.
@@christerholmgren335 I agree he’s amongst the most likely suspects based on what is currently known, but I am also mindful that Ockham’s razor does cut another way, too: many of the factors you take into consideration and give a certain weighting, such as mentioned in the documentary elsewhere on RUclips, would also apply to any number of other men local to the Whitechapel area. For example, I’ve read on Casebook the study of Aaron Kosminski**, and he also fits the mould as someone whose combination of demographic and geographic ought to be taken seriously (as well as the fact he’s Scotland Yard’s favoured candidate). If we take eyewitness testimony seriously, then Kosminski’s purported identification by Israel Schwartz whilst an inmate has at least as much merit as what may simply be circumstantial misfortune on Charles Allen Lechmere’s part - unless, of course, what you’re really suggesting is that there were two serial killers prowling the streets of Whitechapel in 1888 who shared remarkably similar MOs? One further aspect that weighs against your argumentation re: Lechmere is, I think, the language used to describe the encounter between him and Robert Paul in Buck’s Row. The latter said to the newspapers that Lechmere was standing ‘where the woman was’, but was more precise in the inquiry in describing him as standing ‘in the middle of the road’. Since “where the woman was” can also mean *adjacent* but not immediately *next* to (i.e., his location out in the middle of the road was perpendicular to where her body was lying), the vagary of this contradiction is important. I would therefore suggest that additional weight has to be given to his inquiry testimony rather than his newspaper report as he would have been sworn under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at the former. ** Possibly misidentified. As you’re no doubt aware, Nathan Kaminsky was Martin Fido’s preferred candidate. I tend to agree with Fido that he’s the most likely candidate and that Scotland Yard did, in actual fact, get their man. Edit: Again, I've started to change my mind on this. You've done a very good job of explaining these counter-arguments away as being in the category of "possible, but implausible."
Really it all depends on how long he was standing over Mary Nichols before the other man arrived. That's so essential. And I don't think we can figure that out.
@silverstuff182 Well we KNOW he was there longer than he said he was, otherwise Paul would have seen and heard him walking along Bucks Row just ahead of him. He didnt.
In the 2nd world war my grandfather supplied west end restaurants and hotels with horsemeat which was apparently re sold as beef steak to their well to do clientele.
My main question about Charles Lechemere is at his first inquisition about the child killed by him in the road accident he used the name Charles Cross as well. Unless he went by the name “Cross” at work, it seems the representatives of the company he worked for, who should have been at the inquisition as well, would definitely have known he was using an alias. I do however think that Lechemere makes the top three list of suspects.
Zero evidence that Lechmere used the Alia’s of Cross at work. To the contrary, Lechmere used his name on every document that has been found so far. 114 documents last I knew.
36:42 This outline of her body is incorrect. She was lying with her head towards the east, and her left hand was by the gate. This picture shows her head by the gate, and her left hand is on the west side of her body.
Thank you for making this video together with Edward Stow. You have cleared up some details I have been getting wrong and settled my previous misconceptions. I still think Lechmere is an interesting possibility, even likely, but there’s no way to tell for certain. It definitely makes a difference, for example, that Robert Paul lowered the skirt of “Polly” Nichols from her hip down to her knee, presumably to give her more dignity. The abdominal wounds were certainly covered. If Lechmere was the killer, he might have covered her wounds before Paul or anybody else could notice them. But why wouldn’t he lower the skirt as well? Clearly he hadn’t got to that part yet. But if I were this particular killer, and someone was about to discover me in the midst of my horrible crime, I would have covered up absolutely everything, even the parts I had not yet got to, because subconsciously I am already there, because I planned to do it. Anyways, great detective work. Understanding history and true crime can be very similar skills.
I also think that Lechmere didn't have enough time to pull the skirt fully down because of Paul hot on he's tail. I believe he had just enough time to pull and hide the tell tail wounds because it could have turned into a stop and search murder scene. The less time seen beside Pollys dead body was crucial timing for Lechmere. He hid lied and was overlooked like a clever cunning narcissist psychopathic serial killer.
Susan Clapp Yes, assuming Lechmere was the killer, he wanted to step back from the body and not have Paul see him poking around at it. He didn't have much time.
Lechmere obviously only had time to pull it down partly. If it wasn't Lechmere who killed her then why would the murderer bother pulling it down somewhat? He would have just left it pulled up surely
If he pulled her skirt down further, it might have exposed her near decapitation. Did you ever think of that? It was obviously covered, just like her abdominal wounds.
I've seen a few of Edward's videos. He's an interesting and engaging fellow ... if a tad Lechmere-centric. I've seen most of this content before but the brief recap of Mile End's colourful history was new and fascinating to me.
"if it wasn't Lechmere then he missed it by a minute" BRILLIANT. SPOT ON why Lechmere is #1 suspect. ANY other person walking in Bucks Row at the time would have been HEARD by Robert Paul, otherwise that's the unluckiest minute for Polly Nichols ever.
Yeah... Once the timings and coincidences start piling up, it all seems to be a wee bit too much of a stretch to imagine that it's a coincidence. I know this is subjective, but my father was a detective and habitually allergic to coincidences. I reckon he would have said it all adds up to a person of interest -- at the very least, the police would work backwards from there nowadays when conducting their investigation. At this stage of the game, I would say the onus is on the anti-Lechmere brigade to prove his innocence...
Oh, please. We only know he missed this one murder by a minute. Who knows if he walked by the other murder sites at the exact time. Its just a wild guess based on his work schedule and nothing else.
@@feliscorax Timings in the 1880s were plus or minus 15 minutes, be it witness, police or newspapers reports. That's why confusing accounts and reports of times could never be used to convict anybody in a court of law...
@obd3256 We KNOW he walked right past where Annie Chapman was later killed. We KNOW another, slightly quicker, route was very close to where Tabram was killed. We KNOW his mother and daughter lived just around the corner from where Liz Stride was killed. Thats a fair amount of coincidences, if that's all they are.
It has to be letchmere. So much points to him. But here he must of heard Jack running off in which case he would of mentioned it , maybe he didn’t think to state that to help divert blame or interest in himself. Or he is Jack the Ripper himself.
If it wasn’t him and somebody he also fled, then why did they take time to cover the wounds up? There would be no reason to do so unless the killer stayed with the body. It was Lechmere.
Very interesting indeed. Especially the part around Mile End Gate. I wonder if that waste ground is the place depicted in the illustration of Wat Tyler about to parley with the King and be murdered. The case against Letchmere seems paper thin, but the timings of the walk towards the body, the corners and line of sight would stand out as a "Hmmmn" immediately. With the lucrative potential, I'm sure other new suspects will be revealed in time. That is not intended as a sleight on those proffering a new angle. It would be interesting to see a summary of the main contenders, and the strength or otherwise of the suspicion of each. Many thanks, best wishes.
A summary of the main contenders? Alright: Charles Lechmere. The case you describe as "paper thin" was described by Kings counsel James Scobie as enough to warrant modern day trial that suggests guilt.
Actually, I’ve thought about this some more, and whilst the initial question is good, there is a perfectly valid explanation. Here are the facts: 1. Robert Paul lived in Foster Street (#30) and worked at Corbett’s Court just off Hanbury St. 2. Charles Allen Lechmere lived a little further away, in Doveton Street (#22), and worked at Pickford’s on Broad Street (just off Bishopsgate). For RP, his most direct walking route to work passes directly through Buck’s Row, and would have totalled not more than 10-12 minutes. For CAL, his most direct routes to work can either: a) Run through Buck’s Row > along Hanbury Street via Brushfield Street and Bishopsgate; or else, b) Follow along the main thoroughfares of Cambridge Heath Road (then known as Commercial Road) > Whitechapel Road / High Street snaking round St. Botolph Street via Houndsditch. That’s a route-to-work of approximately 30-40 minutes, depending on the path taken. As we can see on Map 2 used by Michael Connor in his Casebook dissertation (www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-charles-cross.html#highlight), both routes take him on direct paths to within easy reach of where each of the associated killings took place. With regard to route b), above, you’ll also note that St. Botolph Street runs behind St. Botolph without Aldgate Church, which is where the streetwalking prostitutes of the day would congregate, walking round its block to keep warm. It is also very likely where CAL met Catherine Eddowes; St. James’s Passage (AKA, Church Passage) is a short walk away, and directly behind it you’ll find Mitre Square where she was butchered**. I would suggest that Robert Paul’s route-to-work was unchanging (that is, that he used the shortcut through Buck’s Row more or less always), but that CAL’s was variable, which is why RP had probably never seen CAL before - CAL being, to the best of RP’s knowledge, a stranger round those parts. This goes some way to explaining why RP was initially wary of CAL and is also the reason why we can deduce that it is CAL who is out of place on the night in question. ** Keep in mind that the double event occurred at the weekend when CAL would have had time off work, though. He is unlikely to have come from the direction of his home in Doveton Street that night, but given the Elizabeth Stride murder at Dutfield’s Yard in Berner Street was a mere four minutes by foot from his mother’s home in Pinchin Street (where his daughter also lived), Edward Stow and Christer Holmgren have hypothesised that it’s likely he was visiting his mum and his daughter and then walked along Berner Street towards Commercial Road. Disturbed, he’d then have made for the church by turning left onto Commercial Road then following round onto St. Botolph Street, in order to find his next victim there (who turned out to be Catherine Eddowes). His approach had to be from behind the church as the victim and the suspect were seen by Joseph Lawende and coy. at the vennel on the far side of Mitre Square known as Church Passage. That was an approx. 10-15 minute walk, so ample time between the first and second killing to find another victim. From there, it’s only a 10 minute walk to his Pickford’s depot on Broad Street 600m to the east, which he could have used as a bolthole to stay low once the alarm had been raised to clean himself up, etc. After that, the Goulston Street rag and graffito indicates a movement of travel in a broadly northeasterly direction which would take CAL roughly back towards Doveton Street via Whitechapel Road. However, it should also be borne in mind that this could similarly be indicative of the police’s preferred suspect, Aaron Kosminski, as he lived either at Providence Street (now a row and close) or Greenfield Street - which were only 4min. and 14min. by foot from Goulston Street respectively. But he is only worth considering if: i. The witness statements are a match; and, ii. The DNA on the shawl is conclusive. Since neither i. nor ii. can be answered with any degree of certainty, Lechmere is still the best candidate.
Sure. You might as well ask why they didn't walk to work every night, holding hands and skipping like the best of friends. Big city. Night. Bad part of town. Nobody's going to be meeting new friends, right?
Strange to think that for any one of us, in over a hundred years time, there might be thousands of people making hundreds of videos accusing us of being notorious serial killers
I only have one question about the murder that Lechmere was seen and found by. Was it a one way in/ one way out road allie? And sry ive been drinking watching all your videos so sry if my speeling is off a lil bit
Can you clarify something for me? Lechmere and the other man met up and stared at Mary, the victim, in Buck's Row before they decided what to do. I want to know whether there's any way to determine how long Lechmere was present at the scene. As stated he was there for "eight minutes". How do we know it was that short a time? I think he may have been in Buck's Row a long time, not a few minutes, but from what I am reading and hearing he could have been there for 10, 25, 50 minutes or loinger. Thanks
It is impossible to say for exactly how long Lechmere could have been in Bucks Row before Paul arrived, just as you say. My own thought is that if he had ben there for a long time, he would likely have finished hos cutting of Nichols and perhaps extracted one or two organs. Therefore, I favor the suggestin that he had a few minutes alone with the body, enough to get into the deed - and get interrupted in the process.
Great upload. Very compelling theory put forward by Ed. The one thing that doesn't help the Lechmere idea is why did he stop? Thanking you both for your efforts .
It’s more common than is generally realised for serial killers to stop, or have breaks. There’s a famous case in America were he killed in the 70’s, had at least a 10 year break, then started again. Given Lechmere was around 39 at the time of the first Ripper murder, that’s quite old. So a break, takes him close to 50’s, opportunities not presenting, probably not in the best physical health after working all those years long hours and the general unsanitary time and place he lived. I don’t see that as a problem in the least. A small indicator at best.
That’s why the police and a lot of people thought it was either Druitt or Kosminski for several years, because they assumed that when the killing appeared to have stopped (after escalating with Mary Jane Kelly’s murder) that the Ripper must have either died (Druitt) or been institutionalized (Kosminski). I have problems with both these theories. Neither man fits our current understanding of what this killer was like, based on the various pieces of evidence from the individual crimes. However, those are not the only reasons why killers stop killing. And we don’t even know if the Ripper did stop. He might have moved out of the area and started killing again somewhere else. We just don’t know. I’m inclined to be suspicious of Lechmere, I find the case for him being JTR more plausible than some of the other theories (some of which are nothing more than glorified and elaborate conspiracies and fan-fiction). But I can’t prove it, and neither can anyone else. It is unsolved and likely to remain so. If this case were going to be solved, it would have been solved back then when most of the participants were still alive.
My favourite JTR youtubers in one video. It is finally happenned, im so happy now. Thank you
My 2 favourite channels combined
Woohoo! My favorite suspect! And Edward Stow!! ❤❤Thank you Richard!
I've been following both the "Jack The Ripper Tours" and "House of Lechmere" channels for some time, so am delighted at this "joint" video: well done, gentlemen!
I'm with you on this i too have followed both RUclips Channels, I am 99.99% sure Lechmere is JTR and I feel this video provides an interesting look at Lechmere being the most likely suspect...
Thank you for a very interesting video can't wait too see more soon...
Thats fine but just understand Lechmere aint JTR The ONLY suspects with any REAL evidence against them are Aaron Kosminski or David Cohen
@@deancordery5935 Me too. The murderer wouldn't have bothered pulling the skirt back down slightly
@@kevinkenny6975Very good point
Here, here. Me too.
Thank you Mr. Jones and Mr.Stow both for a tremendously interesting tour that, among a great many things, sorted out the position in which both policemen could have seen each other (that I had wrong because I’d failed to take the topography into consideration). It was really great to see the locations surrounding the murder scene to get a broader perspective. And of course, Mr.Stow’s knowledge is indeed both impressive and very valuable. I will now pop over to subscribe to his channel.
Cheers!
Great reporting.
I really really love Edwards style and I think he's right on the money. He knows the case, the area, the general history. I really think he's solved it.
He really has an amazing knowledge about the time, area and people - and even people connected to them. It would be fascinating to talk to him about this. I can't imagine all the research he's done!
Except he actually haven´t. He is just like most other Ripperologists. He bends facts to suit theories.
There is literally nothing to tie Lechmere to the murders. Not one single thing. Nothing. It's all make belief, it's he could have this, he could have that. Meanwhile there is zero evidence he actually did any of it.
So he solved nothing. The prime suspect based on what we actually do know, not what we speculate might have happened is Kosminski. Because unlike Lechmere Kosminski can be linked to two of the murders. No other suspect including Lechmere can be tied to two of the murders. But Kosminski can, and even then we can't point the finger at him and say point blank he did it. But he is and should remain the prime suspect based on what we actually do know, instead of what we guess might have happened.
Christer Holmgren solved it years ago. He's just going over Christer's investigation.
Agreed
Thoroughly fascinating, enthralling discussion. Well done guys..
My God, the East End has been murdered. Now it looks like anywhere, no character.
I Went for a ripper tour - it honestly seems like any other town. not much character at all!
It's always been dreadful
Modern age has ripped the East End apart 😢😢😢@dougstyles
This was a fantastic video! I find Mr. Stow to be so informative on this subject. I enjoy all his videos on his channel. Thank you for interviewing him!
A great collaboration. Ed sure knows his stuff about the East End.
I’m shocked that the Coventry Street arch is being built over. I’m working on a series of articles about horse slaughtering called ‘Notes from Knackerdom’. I’m glad I managed to get a photo of the arch before it was mucked about with.
I have a portfolio of photos
As an Irish person... Knackerdom 🤣👍
I feel sorry for "London" because they are still so embarrassed by the Ripper murders. Over the years London has gone out of its way to tear down the sites and build different buildings and change the roads, Thats' a shame. It's just history.
Thanks for doing this Rich and Ed. It’s great that you too guys got together. I enjoyed it!
Love Eric Stow. Thank you for interviewing him.
@Lisa Sargent No, you love Edward Stow!
Yes Edward!
Aww. It's the sentiment that counts 🤣
Fantastic work . Thank you to you both . Thank you for adding the typed summaries during the video and asking the great questions along the way that came to my mind also and Edward for the amazing history not only about the murder but also the treasure trove of White Chapel history.
This was a great video. It gives you a thorough run through of the locations Lech passed through, on his way to the murder scene, and beyond. Lots of information about the east end in general, and what the layout was on that fateful morning. Edwards added some touches to the narrative that I never though of.
Richard, you have really upped your game in recent months having Blomer, Stow and Holgrem on the channel and discussing the topics that actually matter.
Indeed. 👍
This was very interesting indeed! Many thanks :)
Great video. I have really enjoyed the House of Letchmere videos. I even travelled to London to visit all spots and walks in his videos.
Wow, that is awesome. London is on my bucket list!
@@TiaMargarita so much history and character. Enjoy 😊
Spooky!
I don't see much point. The East End has changed to such extent that it is unrecognisable.
Brilliant film Richard great presentation by you both
Edward convinced me its lechmère.
Not me
My two favorite Ripperologists collaboration thank you boys
Excellent and interesting video on my favourite JtR suspect Charles Lechmere.
Great video as always - very interesting!
Thanks for this Richard! I’m loving this series, as I mentioned before, and this interview and tour was a real treat and one of my personal highlights I must say! Edward Stow is so knowledgeable about not just JTR but all things East End. I subscribe to the House of Lechmere channel and the level of research and explanations is extensive and thorough. Shame about Charles Lechmere’ grave and I had no idea about the Herefordshire connections and the cat meat business! All in all,the whole tour along Bucks Row and the surroundings was very interesting. Thanks very much for such a lovely video! 👏👏👏👍👍👍
This was a fantastic video! I really loved how detailed it was and getting to see the area as it is today along with the history of it all was lovely.
There’s a YT video where they show a photo of what each murder site looked like back then, an old photo, and fade it into a photo of nowadays. The comparison shows just how much the areas have changed.
This is a very interesting video. I follow both this channel and the House of Lechmere channel. Y'all both do great work and I appreciate you both.
This was dreadfully interesting! Loved every minute of it!
I'm really pleased that this channel highlights so many different aspects of London's history. It's especially gratifying that the much maligned east is so prominent and not just because of JTR.
On another note, the Salmon & Ball pub has such an old school feel to it. Really reminds me of pubs when I was a kid. Not too many of those types of places around nowadays.
The much maligned East is now unaffordable!!!
The walk around the east end was terrific...Tipples! now that brings back memories.
Paradise Row is just off Bethnal Green Road, where Mary Jane Kelly once lived with Joseph Fleming.
Poor girl. Those last pictures of her are haunting
Interesting and very informative video. Good work Ed!!
As a long time fan of Ed and Richard it was a pleasant surprise to find this video. Your chemistry is great and I'm hoping you'd consider another collaboration one day! Thank You!
Great channel and vid,highly enjoyable
I didn’t know that Edward contributed to the Stairway to Heaven memorial. Thank you for including that information.
I wonder if Jimmy Page and Robert Plant did? 😂
@@lyndoncmp5751Boom Boom mate .
Excellent! Thanks for your outstanding work on this case, Edward. I learn something new each time I watch one of these videos.
Absolutely amazing and so much great information..You’s two Gentlemen have so much knowledge and carful insight on this case and characters..Thank you both for one of the best u-tube uploads I’ve seen this year so far..I’ll be watching this a good few times👍
Fascinating, you got to be impressed, The guys knowledge of the east end is amazing.
Has always facinated me. My 2x gt grandfathers autopsy was conducted by the same man that did the autopsies on the Ripper victims. The other side of my family had a horse slaughtering business at the end of Bucks Row.
What a wealth of info from Ed stow. Thanks for your research!
out of all the Jack the Ripper documentaries and the suspects ive seen over the decades - the story of Lechmere is the most compelling - we will never know but his story seems like he would be the ripper.
Yeah. He’s always been my most likely suspect.
Don't think so
@@LisaLopezbs1 well lots of people do
And lots of people don't @@OoxB505
This idea that serial killers don’t stop killing is false. It’s not common, but they do. Both Dennis Rader and Edmund Kemper stopped killing and Kemper in fact surrendered to the police.
After what he did to MJK I think an argument can be made that JTR simply stopped and disappeared into history. Whoever he may have been.
1:07 I believe one of Lechmere’s sons died in that tube accident mentioned here. He had a wife and a child (a son I believe) who also died.
Was waiting for that to watch it on my day off
Brilliant video. This guy has a great memory
To suggest that Lechmere was not Jack the ripper is to stretch credibility. People can cry 'circumstantial' if they wish, but when the circumstantial evidence piles up, we can't ignore it.
This is great. Edward Stow, along with Christer Holmgren, is one of the leading voices on proving Lechmere's guilt.
I've heard Richard's oppion when pushed on whom the ripper Might be and it sure as hell wasn't Cross .
Yes!! ❤
It can never be proven, but there is more evidence (albeit circumstantial) for Lechmere than for any other suspect.
@@jamescorlett5272. Of course it wasn’t a man named Cross. There was no man named Cross. That was an an alias. Lechmere used that alias.
Edward researched Lechmere at the bequest of a member of the Lechmere family. He never expected that he would uncover JTR’s identity.
Thankyou Richard for getting Ed to do this. Well done
Fascinating video
Excellent video about the strongest suspect so far. I always set little store on whether Lechmere can be eliminated as a suspect for some of the murders because there is dispute over when he set out for work or whether he had a day off work. He seems to have been employed by the same firm for many years and like many long established employees he might have been adept at coming or going at times as he pleased or taking a day off when it suited him. If he really was a narcissistic psychopath, it is likely that neither his wife nor his employer knew where he was half the time.
I agrree ..workers that have been with a company for a while seem to come and go when they please arriving late with no one keeping tabs on them sounds viable when it comes tp Mary Kelly
But was it like that for minimum wage type workers, i.e., carmen? I don't think things were so lenient before unions, in the 19th century and before.
@@silverstuff182 No,it wasn't. You are right, they were pretty strict. Theywould have been reluctantly OK with Cross taking a morning to attend a Coroners Inquiry, but if he had been coming and going to suit his murders spree they would have been far less likely to tolerate it.
It's another "how do we manipulate reality to helpit fit Lechmere?" He was a delivery driverfor one of the most prestigious moving companies in London. They kept tight schedules, and would not have looked kindly on their workers turning up late and covered in blood. He no more carried "meat" and would therefore be wearing a bloodstained apron than the Occado driver who delivers me bacon and sausages. The meat he delivered was wrapped andpackaged having already been processed. He wasn't hauling horse flesh round in the backof his cart.
I'm so looking forward to joining the JTR tour in June 2023. What a fascinating story.
Have there been any handwriting analysis studies done on Lechmere's handwriting and any of the suspected genuine ripper letters? I can't seem to find anything on it.
Brilliant. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
I’m particularly interested in Maria Lechmere (née) Roulson. Her father was the Butler of Edward Bolton Clive, a distant cousin of Clive of India. When EBC died he left a sizeable bequest to Maria’s father.
I should have given you a credit...
💯
Wow! Besides your theories in "Ripperology", your knowledge of local history is very stimulating. I particularly liked your use of the term "psychogeography". I'll also check out the film "Sparrows Can't Sing".
Amazing Info about The Lechmere Family from Edward and Some Of The History of The East End, as well...Very Interesting Stuff, that's 4 sure...😊🤲
Interesting that it was independent researchers who found no one under the name of Cross.
Great video from both you gents 👍
48:41 Valance Rd, is that we’re the Krays lived? If so, a lot of history there. Along with Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky in a meeting either in that old building at the crime scene, or one no longer there knocked down. A lot of blood has been shed that all originated from that very small area.
Edit 1:03:49 well, I was right about those, but there’s quite a bit more.
Yes, and there is actually footage of the road & inside their house just before it was demolished - search " The Krays Home - 178 Vallance Road just before demolition"
@@hellooohowareudoing cheers
Lechmere's reason/excuse for going over to Polly seems odd. If he really thought it was a large (human body bulk in size) tarpaulin, then what? Did he plan to struggle with it and carry it all the way to work, and why would he? Pickfords had lots of them. Did he plan on taking it straight home, thus making himself a good 20 minutes late for work? Did he want to have a look at it for picking up later on his way back from work? Doubtful it'd still be there if it was any good.
None of the above reasons make sense.
On top of that, why did Lechmere linger after he'd seen it was a woman lying there and not a tarpaulin? There were no wounds visible, no blood noticeable. If we accept what we've all read about Whitechapel in the 1880s, people sleeping rough, drunkards, down and outs would have been a fairly common, even mundane, sight especially at that time of the morning. What was so special about Polly that enticed Lechmere to linger around instead of just shrugging and walking straight on to work?
I’ve answered this query of yours before. Do you know the dictionary definition of a ‘Tarpaulin’, do you know what it's used for? I’ll save you some time, it’s used to cover up things, that would have been Lechmere’s curiosity in approaching it. He might have thought there could be something of value underneath to steal. OK? I hope I don’t see you raise this comment again, otherwise you’ll have to be another member of the ’Lechmere clique’ whose comments I no longer read and totally ignore.
😂 Oh dear.
1. Nobody would leave anything of value under a tarp on the STREET side of the yard. Anything of value left under a tarp left in that location would be behind the yard doors. Sigh.
2. A typical female body is quite shallow in depth. What on earth could Lechmere think was underneath such a low 'rise' ? Planks of wood? Was he going to lug them to work too?
Ive not read anywhere that Lechmere went over to this 'tarpaulin' to see what treasures lay underneath. I have not read anywhere that Lechmere said he went over to a tarpaulin that looked like it was covering goods.
I see you forgot to address why instead of lingering around Lechmere didn't just shrug and move on when he saw it was a woman (that he didn't know had been killed or even been attacked). Such a sight would not be uncommon for those days and that time of the morning.
"another member of the ’Lechmere clique'"
As opposed to the 'anti Lechmere clique'? You know, those few same posters who strangely never seem to obsessively argue against any other suspects..... suspects who are far more illogical than Lech.
Odd that isn't it?
@@lyndoncmp5751 What on earth could be under the tarpaulin? I've heard it all now.. Some of the theories do make me laugh 😄
Susan Clapp,
Exactly. A tarpaulin covering something only a body depth in height can't be covering much. All I've ever read is that Lechmere was interested in the tarpaulin itself yet Pickfords had lots of them.
Excellent show Guys.
Interesting stuff, thank you!
When I first went there in the late 80s The Roebuck pub was still there and right opposite the murder site, Essex Wharf, was still there although very dilapidated. There was a watchman in Essex Wharf who didn't hear anything. Essex wharf was a red brick warehouse and it's name was on the front of the building in ornate Victorian writing.
Hiya Richard, I enjoyed this vlog, I tend to avoid the 1 hour vlogs, he's right on the money, is there any of the victims ancestory still live in the Whitechapel area? Edward's knowledge of Jack the Ripper is Excellent, this is Choppy in Whitehaven, Cumberland, England, the reason I put Cumberland is Where going back to Cumberland in 1 months time, the former name is Cumbria
Absolutely Amazing History. Thank You So Much 😊 Cheers 🍻 🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸
Great video
Outstanding watch
I've been taking a closer look at Lechmere recently, as I've dismissed him offhand. I didn't find anything in this video that convinces me that Lechmere is more credible than any other suspect.
I commend Edward Stowe for his knowledge of the area, and his contribution towards the memorial.
Thank you Richard for this great channel.
Nice to see ordinary Citizens doing Great things for their Community and City.
Great knowledge exhibited here. Very enjoyable.
Absolutely fantastic!
Many thanks!
I like this guy for it. I have seen the doc and it makes sense to me.
I wonder if the description of the touching or Mary Ann Nichols was so heavily discussed as they didn't know she was dead, when the others clearly were?
Edward has done amazing research on this case! Considering this subject is an armchair hobby.
Ed should write a book documenting his research and illuminating Holmgren's rather sparsely outline.
great job mate love the hitory
At this point I’m convinced Mr. Edward Stow is Jack The Ripper.
Just had a thought whilst watching this. I wonder if Mrs Letchmere left a will stating in no uncertain circumstance is she to be 'buried next to him, the weirdo' or words to that effect and the effort WAS made to ensure she was laid to rest no where near him. You just don't know what goes on behind closed doors. This is so fascinating. thank you for your efforts.
I wouldn't be surprised, not one bit. 😅🤣😂
Lechmere died in December 1920 and left a substantial estate of £12k (worth £700k adjusting for inflation). He was buried in an unmarked grave which might indicate what Mrs. Lechmere thought of him.
@@michaelwilliams3232 On top of that, somewhere else I heard he was buried in a pauper's grave. So she wasn't willing to spend any money on burying him either.
Interesting thought. Maybe she had suspicions.
Lechmere is gaining ground as a suspect, primarily because he has a particularly energetic and eloquent advocate.
No, his suspect status is firmly based on his behaviour on the murder morning and his testimony at the inquest. It would take a very ill equipped advocate to squander it into a bad case.
@@christerholmgren335 I agree he’s amongst the most likely suspects based on what is currently known, but I am also mindful that Ockham’s razor does cut another way, too: many of the factors you take into consideration and give a certain weighting, such as mentioned in the documentary elsewhere on RUclips, would also apply to any number of other men local to the Whitechapel area. For example, I’ve read on Casebook the study of Aaron Kosminski**, and he also fits the mould as someone whose combination of demographic and geographic ought to be taken seriously (as well as the fact he’s Scotland Yard’s favoured candidate). If we take eyewitness testimony seriously, then Kosminski’s purported identification by Israel Schwartz whilst an inmate has at least as much merit as what may simply be circumstantial misfortune on Charles Allen Lechmere’s part - unless, of course, what you’re really suggesting is that there were two serial killers prowling the streets of Whitechapel in 1888 who shared remarkably similar MOs?
One further aspect that weighs against your argumentation re: Lechmere is, I think, the language used to describe the encounter between him and Robert Paul in Buck’s Row. The latter said to the newspapers that Lechmere was standing ‘where the woman was’, but was more precise in the inquiry in describing him as standing ‘in the middle of the road’. Since “where the woman was” can also mean *adjacent* but not immediately *next* to (i.e., his location out in the middle of the road was perpendicular to where her body was lying), the vagary of this contradiction is important. I would therefore suggest that additional weight has to be given to his inquiry testimony rather than his newspaper report as he would have been sworn under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at the former.
** Possibly misidentified. As you’re no doubt aware, Nathan Kaminsky was Martin Fido’s preferred candidate. I tend to agree with Fido that he’s the most likely candidate and that Scotland Yard did, in actual fact, get their man.
Edit: Again, I've started to change my mind on this. You've done a very good job of explaining these counter-arguments away as being in the category of "possible, but implausible."
Really it all depends on how long he was standing over Mary Nichols before the other man arrived. That's so essential. And I don't think we can figure that out.
@silverstuff182
Well we KNOW he was there longer than he said he was, otherwise Paul would have seen and heard him walking along Bucks Row just ahead of him. He didnt.
The quote of $64,000 dollar question stems from the TV game show sale of the century.
The City/East End area is the most fascinating part of London in many ways, including the JTR mystery.
In the 2nd world war my grandfather supplied west end restaurants and hotels with horsemeat which was apparently re sold as beef steak to their well to do clientele.
Sounds very only fools and horses
Great video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
such a shame when they tear down these beautiful Cemetaries , they are part of history , lost forever ...
My main question about Charles Lechemere is at his first inquisition about the child killed by him in the road accident he used the name Charles Cross as well. Unless he went by the name “Cross” at work, it seems the representatives of the company he worked for, who should have been at the inquisition as well, would definitely have known he was using an alias. I do however think that Lechemere makes the top three list of suspects.
Ridiculous No evidence against Lechmere whatsoever NOTHING
Zero evidence that Lechmere used the Alia’s of Cross at work. To the contrary, Lechmere used his name on every document that has been found so far. 114 documents last I knew.
He could quite easily explain to pickfords why he used Cross. Also I doubt anyone from pickfords would have attended the inquest anyway
@@TiaMargarita 119 documents.
Interesting thoughts on Lechmere ... a bit too many odd anecdotes for my taste though
36:42 This outline of her body is incorrect. She was lying with her head towards the east, and her left hand was by the gate. This picture shows her head by the gate, and her left hand is on the west side of her body.
Thank you for making this video together with Edward Stow. You have cleared up some details I have been getting wrong and settled my previous misconceptions. I still think Lechmere is an interesting possibility, even likely, but there’s no way to tell for certain. It definitely makes a difference, for example, that Robert Paul lowered the skirt of “Polly” Nichols from her hip down to her knee, presumably to give her more dignity. The abdominal wounds were certainly covered. If Lechmere was the killer, he might have covered her wounds before Paul or anybody else could notice them. But why wouldn’t he lower the skirt as well? Clearly he hadn’t got to that part yet. But if I were this particular killer, and someone was about to discover me in the midst of my horrible crime, I would have covered up absolutely everything, even the parts I had not yet got to, because subconsciously I am already there, because I planned to do it. Anyways, great detective work. Understanding history and true crime can be very similar skills.
Maybe he just didn't have the time to do so before Paul was closer.
I also think that Lechmere didn't have enough time to pull the skirt fully down because of Paul hot on he's tail. I believe he had just enough time to pull and hide the tell tail wounds because it could have turned into a stop and search murder scene. The less time seen beside Pollys dead body was crucial timing for Lechmere. He hid lied and was overlooked like a clever cunning narcissist psychopathic serial killer.
Susan Clapp
Yes, assuming Lechmere was the killer, he wanted to step back from the body and not have Paul see him poking around at it. He didn't have much time.
Lechmere obviously only had time to pull it down partly. If it wasn't Lechmere who killed her then why would the murderer bother pulling it down somewhat? He would have just left it pulled up surely
If he pulled her skirt down further, it might have exposed her near decapitation. Did you ever think of that? It was obviously covered, just like her abdominal wounds.
I have been following the videos
I've seen a few of Edward's videos. He's an interesting and engaging fellow ... if a tad Lechmere-centric. I've seen most of this content before but the brief recap of Mile End's colourful history was new and fascinating to me.
With a channel called House of Lechmere do you expect him to be Kosminski centric? 😉
@@lyndoncmp5751 LOL 👍
Facepalm.
"if it wasn't Lechmere then he missed it by a minute" BRILLIANT. SPOT ON why Lechmere is #1 suspect. ANY other person walking in Bucks Row at the time would have been HEARD by Robert Paul, otherwise that's the unluckiest minute for Polly Nichols ever.
Yeah... Once the timings and coincidences start piling up, it all seems to be a wee bit too much of a stretch to imagine that it's a coincidence. I know this is subjective, but my father was a detective and habitually allergic to coincidences. I reckon he would have said it all adds up to a person of interest -- at the very least, the police would work backwards from there nowadays when conducting their investigation. At this stage of the game, I would say the onus is on the anti-Lechmere brigade to prove his innocence...
Oh, please.
We only know he missed this one murder by a minute. Who knows if he walked by the other murder sites at the exact time. Its just a wild guess based on his work schedule and nothing else.
@@feliscorax Timings in the 1880s were plus or minus 15 minutes, be it witness, police or newspapers reports. That's why confusing accounts and reports of times could never be used to convict anybody in a court of law...
@obd3256
We KNOW he walked right past where Annie Chapman was later killed.
We KNOW another, slightly quicker, route was very close to where Tabram was killed.
We KNOW his mother and daughter lived just around the corner from where Liz Stride was killed.
Thats a fair amount of coincidences, if that's all they are.
@@lyndoncmp5751 So what was his motivation and why did he just stop?
My strongest suspect is Charles Lechmere/Cross. I enjoyed this presentation. Thank you for sharing.
Excellent video!
It has to be letchmere. So much points to him. But here he must of heard Jack running off in which case he would of mentioned it , maybe he didn’t think to state that to help divert blame or interest in himself. Or he is Jack the Ripper himself.
If it wasn’t him and somebody he also fled, then why did they take time to cover the wounds up? There would be no reason to do so unless the killer stayed with the body. It was Lechmere.
Enoyed this documentary the most out of all the ones i ve seen on the ripper
Why did the name of Bucks Row change?
Very interesting indeed. Especially the part around Mile End Gate. I wonder if that waste ground is the place depicted in the illustration of Wat Tyler about to parley with the King and be murdered. The case against Letchmere seems paper thin, but the timings of the walk towards the body, the corners and line of sight would stand out as a "Hmmmn" immediately. With the lucrative potential, I'm sure other new suspects will be revealed in time. That is not intended as a sleight on those proffering a new angle. It would be interesting to see a summary of the main contenders, and the strength or otherwise of the suspicion of each. Many thanks, best wishes.
A summary of the main contenders? Alright: Charles Lechmere. The case you describe as "paper thin" was described by Kings counsel James Scobie as enough to warrant modern day trial that suggests guilt.
Why did he and Robert Paul. Not walk together. If they both walked the same way for 20 years. 0:09
Different addresses for home and work. Plus CAL was often out on the prowl.
Actually, I’ve thought about this some more, and whilst the initial question is good, there is a perfectly valid explanation. Here are the facts:
1. Robert Paul lived in Foster Street (#30) and worked at Corbett’s Court just off Hanbury St.
2. Charles Allen Lechmere lived a little further away, in Doveton Street (#22), and worked at Pickford’s on Broad Street (just off Bishopsgate).
For RP, his most direct walking route to work passes directly through Buck’s Row, and would have totalled not more than 10-12 minutes.
For CAL, his most direct routes to work can either: a) Run through Buck’s Row > along Hanbury Street via Brushfield Street and Bishopsgate; or else, b) Follow along the main thoroughfares of Cambridge Heath Road (then known as Commercial Road) > Whitechapel Road / High Street snaking round St. Botolph Street via Houndsditch. That’s a route-to-work of approximately 30-40 minutes, depending on the path taken.
As we can see on Map 2 used by Michael Connor in his Casebook dissertation (www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-charles-cross.html#highlight), both routes take him on direct paths to within easy reach of where each of the associated killings took place.
With regard to route b), above, you’ll also note that St. Botolph Street runs behind St. Botolph without Aldgate Church, which is where the streetwalking prostitutes of the day would congregate, walking round its block to keep warm. It is also very likely where CAL met Catherine Eddowes; St. James’s Passage (AKA, Church Passage) is a short walk away, and directly behind it you’ll find Mitre Square where she was butchered**.
I would suggest that Robert Paul’s route-to-work was unchanging (that is, that he used the shortcut through Buck’s Row more or less always), but that CAL’s was variable, which is why RP had probably never seen CAL before - CAL being, to the best of RP’s knowledge, a stranger round those parts.
This goes some way to explaining why RP was initially wary of CAL and is also the reason why we can deduce that it is CAL who is out of place on the night in question.
** Keep in mind that the double event occurred at the weekend when CAL would have had time off work, though. He is unlikely to have come from the direction of his home in Doveton Street that night, but given the Elizabeth Stride murder at Dutfield’s Yard in Berner Street was a mere four minutes by foot from his mother’s home in Pinchin Street (where his daughter also lived), Edward Stow and Christer Holmgren have hypothesised that it’s likely he was visiting his mum and his daughter and then walked along Berner Street towards Commercial Road. Disturbed, he’d then have made for the church by turning left onto Commercial Road then following round onto St. Botolph Street, in order to find his next victim there (who turned out to be Catherine Eddowes).
His approach had to be from behind the church as the victim and the suspect were seen by Joseph Lawende and coy. at the vennel on the far side of Mitre Square known as Church Passage. That was an approx. 10-15 minute walk, so ample time between the first and second killing to find another victim. From there, it’s only a 10 minute walk to his Pickford’s depot on Broad Street 600m to the east, which he could have used as a bolthole to stay low once the alarm had been raised to clean himself up, etc. After that, the Goulston Street rag and graffito indicates a movement of travel in a broadly northeasterly direction which would take CAL roughly back towards Doveton Street via Whitechapel Road.
However, it should also be borne in mind that this could similarly be indicative of the police’s preferred suspect, Aaron Kosminski, as he lived either at Providence Street (now a row and close) or Greenfield Street - which were only 4min. and 14min. by foot from Goulston Street respectively. But he is only worth considering if: i. The witness statements are a match; and, ii. The DNA on the shawl is conclusive. Since neither i. nor ii. can be answered with any degree of certainty, Lechmere is still the best candidate.
Sorry this is so long. I hope it all makes sense to you, though.
Sure.
You might as well ask why they didn't walk to work every night, holding hands and skipping like the best of friends.
Big city. Night. Bad part of town. Nobody's going to be meeting new friends, right?
@@obd3256 Plus the fact they didn't know each other. First time they met was over a dead body...
Strange to think that for any one of us, in over a hundred years time, there might be thousands of people making hundreds of videos accusing us of being notorious serial killers
I only have one question about the murder that Lechmere was seen and found by. Was it a one way in/ one way out road allie? And sry ive been drinking watching all your videos so sry if my speeling is off a lil bit
Can you clarify something for me? Lechmere and the other man met up and stared at Mary, the victim, in Buck's Row before they decided what to do. I want to know whether there's any way to determine how long Lechmere was present at the scene. As stated he was there for "eight minutes". How do we know it was that short a time? I think he may have been in Buck's Row a long time, not a few minutes, but from what I am reading and hearing he could have been there for 10, 25, 50 minutes or loinger. Thanks
It is impossible to say for exactly how long Lechmere could have been in Bucks Row before Paul arrived, just as you say. My own thought is that if he had ben there for a long time, he would likely have finished hos cutting of Nichols and perhaps extracted one or two organs. Therefore, I favor the suggestin that he had a few minutes alone with the body, enough to get into the deed - and get interrupted in the process.
Who is this guy that walks by at 42:35? He walked past twice earlier, once in the park, both times talking on his cellphone.
Could be jack! .
Obviously Jack The RIpper.
He is just a puffer😊
Great upload. Very compelling theory put forward by Ed. The one thing that doesn't help the Lechmere idea is why did he stop? Thanking you both for your efforts .
@wayblyth Ian Brady stopped killing - he started planning the bank robbery of an "investment establishment" instead so it does happen.
I'd recommend visiting Edward's RUclips channel for some theory on that conundrum.
I'm more concerned about why he would start killing. If he killed at all, of course, which is by no means remotely proven.
It’s more common than is generally realised for serial killers to stop, or have breaks. There’s a famous case in America were he killed in the 70’s, had at least a 10 year break, then started again. Given Lechmere was around 39 at the time of the first Ripper murder, that’s quite old. So a break, takes him close to 50’s, opportunities not presenting, probably not in the best physical health after working all those years long hours and the general unsanitary time and place he lived. I don’t see that as a problem in the least. A small indicator at best.
That’s why the police and a lot of people thought it was either Druitt or Kosminski for several years, because they assumed that when the killing appeared to have stopped (after escalating with Mary Jane Kelly’s murder) that the Ripper must have either died (Druitt) or been institutionalized (Kosminski). I have problems with both these theories. Neither man fits our current understanding of what this killer was like, based on the various pieces of evidence from the individual crimes. However, those are not the only reasons why killers stop killing. And we don’t even know if the Ripper did stop. He might have moved out of the area and started killing again somewhere else. We just don’t know. I’m inclined to be suspicious of Lechmere, I find the case for him being JTR more plausible than some of the other theories (some of which are nothing more than glorified and elaborate conspiracies and fan-fiction). But I can’t prove it, and neither can anyone else. It is unsolved and likely to remain so. If this case were going to be solved, it would have been solved back then when most of the participants were still alive.