Skyrim - The Tragic Tale of Hircine - Was Hircine an Aedra? - Elder Scrolls Lore
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_"Did you ever hear the tragedy of Hircine the Hunter? I thought not, it's not a story the other races would tell you, it's a khajit legend...."_
I prefer the Khajiiti view of the Gods.
All are just powerful spirits.
No Aedra, no Daedra. Just Spirits
Hircine, Azura, Meridia, and Peryite all break the mold of what it is to be Aedric or Daedric. They are both, and neither, and so much more.
They also don't have the man vs mer bias.
However, there is some bias against bosmer in their myths and they weirdly assume all the gods are cats. For example, what is a dragon-cat god?
@@badluck5647 Cultural proximity is what causes the disdain for Bosmer. Historically, the Bosmer and Khajiit have always had border disputes and the like, which has effected their view of each other within each culture's mythology.
As for the Cat Gods, its no different than Humans or Elves assuming that their gods look like them. A Dragon-Cat sounds no more strange than a Winged Man-Bull or a Dragon-Man with multiple personalities.
@@Im-Not-a-Dog i feel like a dragon-cat would look like a griffin but with all the normally bird parts being dragon parts.
however i also remember seeing that khajiit believe dragons are just a type of big cat so that could also provide an explanation
Lorkhan and Malacath also break that mold.
They all reveal how the mold itself is, in the final estimation, quite artificial and unhelpful.
Yes, and all these spirits are siblings born from the same parents Anu and Padomay. All of these spirits made their own worlds and had their own children e.g. Auriel birthed the Elves, Shor birthed Humanity, Azura birthed Twilights, Magnus birthed Magna-Ge, Hircine birthed Huntsmen, Mephala birthed Spiderkiths, Hermaeus Mora birthed Apocryphans, etc it makes a lot of sense
Hircine strikes me as a lesson in what it is to love completely. His pain, his loss and his commitment to Nirni's creations even after the scorn he felt. I like to imagine Hircine thinking he's giving some kind of tough love so the living creatures can be worthy of their mother: Nirni. Tl;Dr - Hircine is adorable but also has stepdad vibes. Rad entity.
mans got sidelined for a Chaedra. Nirni is for the streets!
To love completely sounds like being obsessed without shame
@@lakkakka love and obsession are scary, also being so consumed in love can't be healthy for humans. It wouldn't be our place to weigh in on the Gods as they somehow work by all being cancelling extremes. They don't have to be balanced or reasonable like us!
@@666dreamboat as an autist I can't say I agree. I need my extremes I get extremely annoyed at murking about wasting time on subjective things it takes time away from getting things done or just doing things.
But honestly love for me doesn't seem to mean the same as it does to others. So what does it mean to you?
Probably why I love him so much, love made tragedy is relatable
Myths like these that include et'ada interacting regardless of the aedra/daedra distinction are sooo interesting to me! Wish the daedric princes mentioned the other deities more!
Me too❤, I am new to Elder Scrolls lore, but I am missing a lot about the daedra and how they feel, view the world, who they were and what they plan for mortals
I always had this feeling, that Hircine is kind of an "outside protactor" of Nirn, but not as an all out to save and defend it from any kind of harm, his a somewhat hard hearted gurdian, he thinks that mortals (sentinent and non-sentients alike) needs to be tough enough to survive on their own against those (daedras), that wants to dominate, alterate them beyond recognition. Hircine is a harsh mentor, but he favors no one, he does not pick a side of any mortals by anyway, "prove yourself", that's his wisdom and it says a lot of him. Also, his sad and tragic story just gives so much about his inner feelings and thoughts, his understanding and recognition of that his not on the "godly" level to be part of creation, but rether than become bitter of it, he would be a guardian of it, even if it means, that most of mortals sees him as a somewhat barbaric, feral god spirit, gives me a view of a person, hwo accepts the harder path for himself, to make sure, what he cares for will remain, even if it sees him - most of the time - as something harsh.
Hircine, father of man beasts and fairest of all the Daedra.
It does make sense, especially in the context of the Great Hunt. He chose the strongest people in Solstheim and set them free on a huge maze to see if they were ready to survive an attack of a similar force of a Daedra Invasion. The only one who won was the Nerevarine, meaning that there was someone to protect the world from any problems.
Theory:
During the Dawn War, Hircine was a follower of Lorkhan alongside Kyne and the Wandering Ehlnofey against Auri-El and the Old Ehlnofey. After the death of Lorkhan, there was a schism between the Wandering Ehlnofey with the proto-Nedes going to the Reach with Hircine and the proto-Nords going to Atmora with Kyne.
Evidence:
*In Khajii tales, Hircine allies himself with Khenarthi (alongside Azurah) to slay the elven god Y'ffer.
*Both the Nords and Reachmen consider themselves followers of Shor/Lorkh -- even if they don't acknowledge one another.
*The Skyforge of the Hawk (Kyne) and the Underforge of Hircine share an ancient site that the descendents of Old Ehlnofey feared into the Merethic era.
*Kyne's chosen son is Morihaus, a man-beast. This would be strange as minotaurs have been shown to be followers of Hircine. Maybe Minotaurs have an ancient connection between both Kyne and Hircine?
Your theory is sound
I would love to see the reachfolk and nords come together, I mean last time it happened we got Talos
This theory kinda makes the appearance of Morihaus make a bit more sense.
We are told that he is Kyne's son but given no information as to who Morihaus' father is. Given that he is a "Winged Man-Bull" it would make sense if his father was Hircine, who holds the title of "The Father of Man-Beasts".
@@Im-Not-a-Dog Wife of Shor had a son with Hircine? There hasn't be such a scandal since Shor made Auri-El's wife his concubine.
@@badluck5647 Keep in mind, this would be after the death of Lorkhan. Hircine was just taking care of a widow-woman.
Hircine is probably my favorite Daedric Prince. I've always loved mythology and folklore surrounding the idea of the wild hunt. His connection to the reachmen, his role as father of werebeasts, and his patronage over the hag ravens. You see a lot of his themes in so many figures in different mythologies. Cernunnos from Celtic, Veles from Slavic, Arawn from Welsh, Herne the Hunter in British folklore, etc. You can see a lot of Hircines themes in them and vice versa. Good to see Drew the Daedrologist back in full swing!
Same! I made a Master of the Wild Hunt costume for Halloween in Salem this year and modelled it after Hircine. Giant elk skull and antlers, fur mantle, bone armor, and a spear. I'm proud of it lol
@@darknevermore3 damn that sounds great! Would you mind showing it to me?
cant believe you left out Nimrod
@@darknevermore3 that's sick as hell. wish I could make my own costumes. my talent lies in drawing though not crafting.
Hircine is honorbound. He loves the hunt, but the hunt has rules he himself imposes and Will follow that code.
While brutal and bloodthirsty, he is tempered by patience and calm.. he is the concept of survival of the fittest made manifest.
Hircine is definitely my favorite daedra, he may seem cruel at times but he doesnt let his pray suffer like he did
Oh my. I will never view the "Ill Met by Moonlight" quest the same again! I've always considered Hircine to be evil, but I have a new outlook now. Thank you Drew. I love to see your vids on this type of thing. You are refreshing.
I'm glad your perspective has changed I never saw this daedra to be evil because he is almost exactly the same in being portrayed as that of a pagan God that I worship known as Cernunnos
I never saw him as Evil, I always saw him as some level of Neutral. He is fair with all and fights honorably.
I adore Hircine. Like nature, he is both beautiful and dangerous. Powerful and graceful.
Like a lion, mighty yet kind yet cruel. Balanced as nature is.
Heartbreaking! I didn't know I was capable of getting this sad for a daedric lord
Been a tough few days for me and my family; my father passed after a fight with lymphoma.
However, a new video on my fave deity in ES lore done by the GOAT daedrologist himself? Makes me feel just a bit better. Keep em comin', Drew
Hang in there, Caden. Can't imagine what you're going through. But I'm glad this video might've served as a brief distraction from everything
Is this what you want 🫳🏻🍪
Drew the Daedrologist ascended to bring us content like this, absolutely love it!
out of all the daedra hircine has always seemed a bit... idk, out of place. he can be a bit brutal at times, sure... but ultimately he is hardly an "evil" being. ive always seen him as more of a literal incarnation of the whole circle of life thing. even with the werewolves its like he takes pity on them after their death and grants them the eternal hunt that they instinctively crave, yet tear themselves apart over in life. and some of them he even grants full control of their abilities. hircine is neither good nor evil, he just... is. he cares not for justice, nor for injustice. he isnt out to trick you the player ( ir really anyone), and doesnt demand human sacrifice or cannibalism ( which is why its so weird the reachmen do this), in fact a lot of what the hircine cults do he doesnt actually demand, which i think their actions unfairly reflects on him. as far as his whole after life schtick, being his dogs on an eternal hunt is hardly the worst afterlife i can think of... and he treats his hounds well. even the prey is fairly treated as if you manage to escape and evade ( or turn the tables and become the hunter) he respects it and leaves you be.
Glad I am not the only one that sees Hircine in a more nature based light. Hircine is the literal embodiment of the hunt and has no care in which form it takes be it literally killing something or the pursuit of something. From what I have seen from Hircine's dialogue. Plus if you think about it werebeast afterlife offers a more bond based existence than most. Sovengarde is the eternal Pub where you can drink and fight to your hearts content where as Hircine's hunting grounds offer you the pack (for all intents and purposes a close knit family) and the sport of living, being a literal hunt or survival (normally always portrayed as prey but never actually says what form of prey/pursuit).
I'd assume the reachmen do human sacrifice and cannibalism due to the fact they also venerate Namira
Not all reach folks are cannibals… or human sacrificers very much depends on the clan.
@@pixel4620 if im not mistaken dont the reachmen who do cannibalize and perform human sacrifices because those groups are intermingled with the hagravens? and from what i understand the reason all of the reachmen we see in skyrim are those crazy types, is because they are all the Forsworn, who arent necessarily representative of the reachmen of old, theyre moreso a group based on hatred and vengeance because the overall reachmen were slaughtered and exiled from their home. Not to say that these groups didnt exist in old times but i feel like they were sort of one of many, as many of the reachmen of old worshipped various gods that we arent even entirely sure of, as well as the Et-Al. By the time we run into them, they had been betrayed by the empire, the stormcloaks, and then imprisoned by a wealthy family who enslaved them. Ive always felt that because of this the forsword are more of an "extremeist" sect of whatever religion you would call the reachmen's
Drew I loved it when you made the lore vids on fudgemuppet, you always brought out the fanastical feel of the lore and never gave up on finding an interesting interpretation of TES lore. Even with all the inconsistencies and plot-holes, you worked with it and always managed to find the lense that was both the most interesting and the most wholistic way of looking at the lore. Im so glad you are keeping the same style with your Drewmora channel! Sincerely, a life-long sub
Thanks, Roger! I've got plans to play Skyrim Together with Camelworks soon, but I'll definitely reach out to the fudge boys too
he is fudgemuppet? hes so much better now
A Khajit Dragonborn that's also Hircine follower would be such a thematic playthrough 🙏
I absolutely love the personal roleplaying perspective of Drew the Daedraologist! Please do more videos like this!
The Music Your Voice and The story is just the perfect mix and gives me chills man! Drew the Daedrologist does it again!
Hircine has always been my favorite deity in the elder scrolls world so I’m always happy to listen about his lore
This myth brings me ever closer to Hircine. Forever my favorite Prince.
Yes! I absolutely loved the Fudgemuppet lore videos, and was not too fond of the newer podcast type videos. This is exactly what I have been waiting for!
This brought me to tears hard. Never thought I'd feel this way about Hircine.
Thank you for being you, Drew, I'm so happy to still listen to your voice even after the fall of the Tribunal ^^
Lots of Love,
Long time fan
Thank you, Akira
Drewmora....dude I had no idea you had your own channel, I'd tune into a fudgemuppet deep lore dive and be disappointed not to hear your voice, you've been the best of the best as a daedrologist and I'm happy to support your own channel! Your passion for the mysteries of the secret syllable of royalty has been the progenitor of my renewed love of Morrowind, much love from California man
Thanks Eric! I appreciate that mate
A hunter always loves and appreciates the forest he hunts in
Okay yep my character worships Hircine now. I’m sold.
Dude, this is brilliant. *Although they heard the echoes of his songs, they did not listen* very nice indeed.
Hircine is also literally the fairest, in sense of good sportsmanship ,of all the daedra he will never try to deceive you and he will always give you a fighting chance slim though it may be to best him
And if you do best him he will not be angry, but excited and jovial and will even reward you for your efforts for a game well played
What fun is a game with no risk? Losing to someone better than you just means you get to work harder to outdo them in the future
This is exciting since I just started a Forsworn playthrough of Skyrim. Thanks Drew!
@@BabySniff I decided to go for the aetherial crown, and use Zephyr instead. The forsworn headdresses all change the hair colour to a brownish colour, while I prefer to keep my character's hair the same. Savior's hide is a must, as well as the gauntlets of the old gods, and I'm using Predator's grace boots. Yesterday, during our escape from Cidna mine, all the forsworn were killed because I went in and out of a building and they all died. So I mourned the loss of my king, and now venture down darker paths to gain the power to avenge my people, because the dream of taking the Reach is dead now that Madanach is dead.
Daedrologist Drew, you have broken my heart 💔, this tale is so sad. Thank you for the beautiful video and telling this story in such a passionate way
Hircine is pretty much the epitome of the god I worship, Cernunnos
Stumbling upon this channel is the best thing thats happened to me in a while. I feel like a kid again and love the storytelling you do. Its magical. Instant sub.
That means a lot. Thank you!
Boy, you have the straight up BEST Skyrim/Elder Scrolls channel.
Great video!
Hey drew I once remember a story were hircine created a different variant of vampire that is immune to sunlight and fire.
Top notch video. Not only was the story great, cinematics were gorgeous. Great job!
Great video and interesting angle!
Hircine is my absolute favorite Daedra. I love this video.
He's also the fairest and one of the most just Deities as well. If you able to outsmart and best him, not only will he let you go free but also offer some sort of prize or reward as well
Never heard of this version of the creation myth and I gotta say it adds more to a daedric prince that I already liked, great job.
Great work thanks
I love this!
I've said it before; and i repeat myself. Your videos are an ODE to this game. It's like watching the video equivalent of poetry
I love your videos
They steal my attention for the entire runtime
And this one has inspired a skyrim roleplay for me to do
I love your videos Drew. Man, I had no idea that Hircine had passed through all of this.
I have a feeling Hircine was once a human that somehow eaned his place among the Daedric Princes. Kind of like how Tiber Septim became Talos.
I missed this video somehow but now I'm watching it
Fantastic video Drew!
That's some Greek tragedy stuff right there.
Great vid!!! I've never thought about him in this way. Very intriguing
So atmospheric and wonderful storytelling! You have such a great voice for narration. Can’t wait to listen to more videos of the Daedra :)
As a person who hunts in real life, Hircine is by far my favorite Daedric Prince.
No one gives a fuck what you do in real life boyo.
Hunt well fellow hunter and brother
Another excellent video! Thoroughly enjoyed.
absolutely loving the new channel
Beautifully done! Will be watching for more.
Perfect video. Hope this channel will reach it's true potential
Hircine was the first Prince I was wanting to know more about when I was first introduced to Elder Scrolls. He didn't stand out as wanting destruction....just a lonely guy.
Love the work 😃
Great video drew!!
Always appreciate your lore videos Drew. You have excellent writing and your voice fits perfectly when telling these fantasy tales!
I swear we can have a video on anything and so how the Khajit origin story will somehow get mentioned.
Great video Drew!
Hircine’s my favorite in Elder scrolls. I main a Nord Tank Hircine follower.
Always love your videos.
I believe that the Khajiiti view of the Spirits is why so many more of them have achieved Apotheosis(or Chim or whatever the right one is, lol).
Think about it.
How many Humans have become gods? 1, Talos.
How many Elves? 1. Phinastor.
How many Khajiit? 3. Rajhin, Baan Dar, Riddle'Thar.
Im so happy I found you. FudgeMuppet and Camelworks havent made lore videos in months. This is where I belong 🧡
I could listen to stuff like this everyday for the rest of my life… keep on keepin on amigo
An amazing video indeed. Hircine is a child of Anu and Padomay, just like the rest of his Et’Ada brothers and sisters. He created a planet in Oblivion called the Hunting Grounds, and birthed a race of humanoids beings born in his image called the Huntsmen. Every Et’Ada took part in the creation of Mundus, but many fled when they realised Shor, know as Lorkhan by the Elves, had intended it to be a prison for Auriel, Magnus and all of his siblings who sided with Anu’s principles. We know Shor was born in the Void, and sent by Sithis to destroy the Aedra (ancestors of Elves). By definition Hircine would not be an Aedra, as the only race who could claim genetic lineage from Hircine would be the Huntsmen from the Hunting Grounds, who look just like their lord.
Every Et’Ada constitute their own race, and created their own world somewhere in the Aurbis. Lorkhan created Sovngarde, and birthed Humanity. Azura created Moonshadow, and birthed Twilights. Auriel created (the Heavens of Aetherius?) and birthed the Aldmer. Mephala created the Spiral Skein, and birthed the Spiderkiths. Therefore, what constitutes as an ancestor spirit depends on the species in question, regardless of whether they’re mortal or immoral (Man and Mer were mortal in the beginnings of the current Kalpa, but the Aldmer became mortalised by Shor’s Mundus trap, and Humanity were cursed with mortality by the Aldmer Angel of Death Xarxes).
Thus, Hircine could be seen as a far distant uncle of Men and Mer. He’s not their ancestor. But he’s the brother of Auriel and Shor. Auriel is older than Hircine, as he’s the first Et’Ada and creator of time. While Shor is the youngest Et’Ada, the last child of Anu and Padomay. Overall it’s very interesting.
That was awesome. Loved the perspective of having Drewmora being a character in TES learning this stuff.
Story to hear Beauty, tragic I always love Hircine father of Manbeasts
Ayo i turned into a werewolf in skyrim and hircine do be pretty chill all hail the eternal hunt
You guys were like my elder scrolls tutors from the beggining. I thought there is nothing more to learn yet here you are! Keep up the amazing work!
Love Khajiit lore and my favorite daedrologist
As much as I enjoy your content based in other games/universes, I'm happy to see the daedrologist roots showing through. Great video as always!
Hirchine is a reminent of Shor
You got yourself a new subscriber, keep working bro you’ll blow up soon I’m sure of it
Glad the channel is working out great for you :p
I've never really forgiven Hircine for trying to make me kill a unicorn in one of my first interactions with him. But this backstory really does make me feel sympathetic towards him.
Does it help to learn that apparently, supposedly, Unicorns are daedra from Hircines Realm? Which, among other things, means they can not truly die out!
Hircine seems deeply entwined with Lorkhan to me. If we go with the idea that Lorkhan made the world as a challenge, then Hircine is the literal manifestation of that challenge on some level. He is nature in it's most brutal kill or be killed form, but he also has to have nature's nurturing instincts in him. Why else does he take animal Forms and allow himself to be hunted? Why does he show affection to his followers and even spare or resurrect certain prey that has shown honor and put up a good fight.
Great Video!
I just hope you're doing well buddy. Thanks for the continued elder scrolls love!
Love that your Khajiiti lore is pre-ri'datta by default. Same tbh. Riddle'thar can suck it.
Can you do a Hircine deep dive like the later Daedra videos? He's such an interesting character.
Wow great video on Hircine
Always love a new video about my favorite god in Tamriel! The story of Hircine's fall is certainly heartbreaking, and when you think about it it really sheds new light on the enmity between the Reachman followers of Hircine and the Breton followers of Y'ffre
This story is beautiful and tragic. I love Hircine so much.
Getta get me some mountaindrew. :) great vid btw.
And my boy Drew drops another one on us! O.O I friggin love it! Lol
Fascinating and beautiful video
Hircine fumbled his shot with a girl. By far the most relatable prince
I feel that kinda pain Hercine.
Always love hearing about the daedra great work as always, Hircine was actually the first daedra lord I found
I always knew that Hircine was one of a ''Good Daedra". And I always liked him. Even before I got interested by TES lore
That was fuckin beautiful, Drew.
The description is top notch
It is fitting that Khaijit culture worships Hircine. Cats are fierce hunters, after all. And if their interpretation of Hircine is accurate, then I have a new respect for him, also.
Your videos are my miracle solution to insomnia (I don't mean that you're boring lmao, I mean this is the most soothing content out there)
*howl* all hail to lord hircine father of menbeast 🐺🐺🐺
Hircine is such a cool Daedric Prince. Easily my favorite of the bunch.
Why do i feel i can relate to this character?