I've always liked Malacath. In a way he's a god of the underdogs, and generally a just, truthful and protective figure. I feel really bad for him honestly.
Same. The tragic fall of Trinimac into what he is now is indeed a shame. It's nice to know that Trinimac is still the same God he was before at heart. The corruption Boethia and Mephala brought on him wasn't enough to fully break or engulf his spirit at its core
TBH I've liked him more as Malacath, then as Trinimac. I'm getting a vibe of an inflexible, unreachable champion from Trinimac... But Malacath, a fricking, functional dam.
@@ZeroSeriesMMX Well, I suppose it's cause Malacath has more characterization. You could argue that, in Bethesda's work in making the human gods more prevelant in their storytelling, that most of the Elven Et'Ada aren't as well known as they could be. Few fans truly know of the Elven gods or, well, most of the Gods outside of the Imperial ones Malacath's history when he was Trinimac up till now, however, has a lot of characterization to him. Y'ffre/Jephre does too, thanks to the Bosmer But yeah, I want to see the personalities of more of the other Elven Gods throughout time. They have mostly Dawn Era stories, save for the 2 previously mentioned, as well as the younger ones like Phynaster and Syrabane.
@Shy Cracker Well, "Good" because they taught the Chimer/Dunmer how to live, so they're not as destructive or untrustworthy as the other Daedra (in their eyes, of course) But yeah, they left Trinimac sundered, further dividing the community that their ancestors had lead beforehand. The Altmer were slowly worshipping only the original Et'Ada instead of all their individual Ancestors, but instead of trying to mend that rift, the Chimer abandoned their kin. Sad but true
Malacath’s story has a touch of irony to it, too, when you think about it. He loved anu, the aedra, the ehlnofey, the elves, so much so that he was willing to kill men (wandering ehlnofey) and lorkhan only for him to be outcasted by most of those he served. I imagine he must now know what it was like to be a wandering ehlnofey
The fact that he kept a little piece of Tamriel among all that ash and unbretheable toxic wasteland is actually so cool, makes me really sad for him though :(
Honestly I don't feel sorry for him at all when you really think about it malacath is everything trinimac wanted he's immortal free from the trap of mundus and rules over a realm completely opposite from dawns beauty. He has everything he asked for only to realise after ruining countless lives that it wasn't what he wanted.
@@placeholder2586 Trinimac and the other Et'Ada like the concept of Mundus when it was introduced to them. It's the ulterior motive of Lorkhan and the influence of Sithis that they hate because there's just way too much of it.
@placeholder2586 This isn't what Trinimac wanted. He wanted his people, the Old Ehlnofey, to be free of the Mundus. The only regret he truly has is that he couldn't see that the Mundus is unfortunately here to stay. He doesn't "love" Mundus, he just hates that he didn't prepare the Elves for the reality of the new, harsh world. He kept them from kinda just stoning up and making the most of a bad situation.
It is interesting to explore that Trinimac seems to be lefthanded, and Lefthanded elves built Orichalc Tower, and orcish items are also crafted from orichalcum in Skyrim. Is there a connection between Lefthanded elves and Orsimer? Did they both followed Trinimac? Did Orsimer came from Yokuda and just forgot they own history?
Strangely enough, in the book Redguards, thier History, and Heroes there is passage in the book that says that emperor Hira, had a brigand army that was composed "of Orcs and castoffs of the wars of the empire". Another interesting connection, is that Malacath is sometimes referred to as "He Who Speaks Sideways" by the Orcs and Diagna is also known as the "Orichalc God of the Sideways Blade" by the Redguards. So yeah, thier does seem a to be a lot of weird connections between Orcs, left handed elves, and Diagna and a text implying that Orcs might have inhabited Yokuda makes this connection even stranger.
I've had my own theories regarding Yokuda and the history of the elves. Between the lefthanded connection to Orichalcum and the timeline of late merethic and early first age events like the Chimer exodus and the curious overlap between Yokudan and Maomer culture during the sea elves' inception, assuming Aldmeris never existed (at least in the divine form Altmer officials insist upon) it is very probable the Aldmer came from Yokuda or their home island/sub-continent was at least adjacent in the Eltheric ocean.
No lie, I convinced my college professor to let me write about various TES lore for my final essay in my mythology and society class, and I'm citing this video as one of my sources. Thanks so much for all the wonderful presentations of lore!
Bro I gotta be honest. Your one of the best lore video producers on the platform. I can both learn more about a series I dearly love (elder scrolls, witcher, elden ring, etc) & feel completely at easy as I try to rest after a hard day. Weirdly enough I feel like we're all sitting around a bonfire listening to you tell stories of lands far beyond distance & comprehension. So keep on giving it your all. Meanwhile I'll do what I can to support you & all your hard work.
Once again, Drew doesn't fail to impress. And here, his story is properly able to encapsulate the tragic fate of a once proud Warrior. What I would give to see the Dawn War fully shown Its also important to note that, when the Chimer abandoned Trinimac and the Aldmeri gods, their society had lost the unity they once held, for a time. From High Velothi culture to scattered Tribes in Resdayn, reflecting the fall of the Elven God of Unity. Trinimac and the Old Ehlnofey represent the tale that claims "Aldmeris will only return when the Races of Mer are united as one". Until a great Mer can mantle the now empty space Trinimac left behind, and until the Elven races put aside their differences to face man together as their Ancestors once did, Aldmeris whether metaphorical or physical, will never return.
Imagine the glory if the Redguards, Nords and imperials combined, and all the mer unified, and the beast folk (and depending on your take the Bosmer would either join the beastfolk,or the mer), imagine this triad, and what they could achieve via trade, diplomacy, and respect, man mer and beast United could even exceed even that of the Dwemer, for even they suffered with fractured ignorance. Not a dictatorship, just peace
@@Super50ldier That is not peaceful unification, not to mention they are still stuck in an endless endurance of Kalpas and end times. Yes, I totally agree there were alliances, of which I assume most were created in the name of war, not individual/collective benefit. I did not express my point clearly and concisely enough. My point wasn't that ni race will work together, but that man, mer and beast folk need to put aside their racism and theological beliefs aside (specifically the 'debate' of Auriel), for their own benefit. I am merely throwing out food for thought, idealistic as it is
You know, Mr. Drew, that I've never felt much for the orcs, but hearing you tell of Trinimac's humiliation and subsequent reappearance as Malacath, I can actually say I admire the orcs for standing so firmly behind Malacath/Trinimac. I also now understand their curse more fully. I feel for Malacath, I think I always have as I did understand his story, I just never fully understood how the orcs became so distanced from the rest of the Mer. Thank you for ALWAYS making things a bit clearer for me. Again, your "tellings" are quite enlightening. Thank you, kind Sir.
I love the fact Malacath fits the idea of a benevolent deadra. Stern, but fair. Smart but tough. Vain but as he should be in his place! Truly fits how they have portrayed deadric beings to be
What happened to Trinimac was pretty crappy. It's a shame to have his reputation as the god who tore out Lorkhan's heart be flushed away like that. Great video as always Drew!
Somehow, it raised my respect to Trinimac even more. It took at least two Daedric princes to defeat him. It was already an unfair advantage in favor of the Daedric princes because Trinimac is an Aedra, a god who contributed most of his power to the creation of Mundus, while Boethiah and Mephala had their powers fully intact.
@@kylerBD Because Lorkhan is the most important God in Elder Scrolls. The narrative that Lorkhan is a trickster God/evil God is mainly from the Anuic civilisations, mainly High Elves. All the Padomaic races, especially men revere Shor/Lorkhan as their champion deity. So looking from a neutral perspective Lorkhan is not inherently good/bad. And frankly, a mortal's perspective on "good", "bad" is very narrow. The fact is, he is the God of mortality. The mortal sphere IS Lorkhan in a lot of ways. EVERYTHING that happens in ES universe, every main event in all 5 games has Lorkhan's deep involvement, and every outcome is orchestrated according to his will. The shezzarines are a prime example. So yeah, sundering Lorkhan is not in itself a good or bad thing & something to be proud of, it is only if you are thinking from an Altmer/Orsimer perspective. And neither Auriel nor Trinimac could actually "kill" Lorkhan or his will (killing, death etc are mortal ideas tbf), because as the doom drum said while laughing at them: "For one is created to satisfy the other".
These videos are so underrated!! You have such an amazing way of narration I can't wait for this channel to blow up! Definitely my fav ex-fudgemuppet member lmao
Malacath has always been one of my favorite Daedric Princes (second only to Hermaeus Mora for obvious reasons), and this video only deepened my appreciation for him.
I think the most humiliating aspect of Boethiah's corruption of Trinimac is that it revealed the genuine love he had for the creation he fought so hard to escape. Really a matter of "you don't know what you have until it's gone", and the fact it was taught to him by Boethiah as he attempted to sway the Velothi away from that same pro-Lorkhanic mentality would make it that much more insulting I think. Trinimac's downfall was spelled by his indignation at Lorkhan's deception, and it was only once he was banished from it that he realized how important it had become to him.
I don't entirely agree. This isn't what Trinimac wanted. He wanted his people, the Old Ehlnofey, to be free of the Mundus. The only regret he truly has is that he couldn't see that the Mundus is unfortunately here to stay. He doesn't "love" Mundus, he just hates that he didn't prepare the Elves for the reality of the new, harsh world. He kept them from kinda just stoning up and making the most of a bad situation. That said, many of the Et'Ada liked the idea of Mundus, but it was Lorkhan's alterior motives that they hated
I'm convinced that Trinimac was shown the truth about Lorkhan by Boethiah, and that his "corruption" is actually more of a sorrowful penance that he has placed on himself than anything actually done to him by Boethiah (and maybe also Mephala). Even when you look at the Orsimer (especially the tribal Orcs of Skyrim) and the more traditional, almost barbaric Nords, you see a lot of similarities. But on the whole, I agree with most of this video. Also, that new Giant's Grove statue of Malacath you have there is **chef's kiss**
Respectfully, I don't agree. He's still an enemy of Man and I'd argue that he wasn't in the wrong for his slaying of Trinimac. Its an interesting theory but I guess we'll never truly know... unless we see the Dawn Era as it truly was some day.
My theory : Boethiah IS Trinimac, the story of him being "eaten" and "pooped" is a metaphor for the Chimer rejecting Aldmer ideology and replacing it with Velothi ideology (to be eaten is to be mantled and Nirn is a world where metaphor is made reality). Orcs are the descendants of the elnofhey underdogs who lost against Lorkhan's armies and refused to join the Chimer
@@Super50ldier I don't really know what point you're trying to make. Nords/Amorans come from _Shor_ and Kyne. Shor is the Nordic aspect of the deity the Elves call Lorkhan; Kyne is the Nordic aspect of the deity otherwise known as Kynareth. So, yes, the Nords/Atmorans _do_ come from Lorkhan, in a manner of speaking. But if that was your point, and you want to get into the minutiae about it, then the Imperials/Nedes also do not come from Lorkhan. Properly speaking, they come from Shezarr, the Imperial/Nedic aspect of Lorkhan. "Lorkhan" is the Elven aspect of and name given to the same deity that is alternately known as Lorkh (Reachmen), Lorkhaj (Khajiit), Shor (Nords), Shezarr (Imperials), Sheor (Bretons), and Sep (Redguards).
I've recounted the tale of me disliking Malacath, and then learning to love him. I would never follow or commit to him, as that's not who i am. However, he's one that i have utmost respect for, and i think he's one that deserves as much worship as possible. Shame trinimac was an elf though
I followed Drew from the old channel because I just love the way he tells stories. It’s amazing, these stories were obviously written by other people but he arranges the details and brings it all to life in a new way. And man, I honestly could hear Drew talk in his soft story telling voice all day. Soothing as hell.
When last I was this early, Maztiak was still being dragged through the streets by his bonewalkers and his flesh had still yet to be opened by rocks thereon.
Such a good video. I can't help but think how sad and almost beautiful the tale of Trinimac/Malacath is. How one can present themselves as so honour-bound and revenge driven but yet all of that is motivated by a deep love and sadness to feel and breathe the beauty of Nirn again
In the End, I dunno if I'd say he hated what Lorkhan did with his deception, but he (like the other Et'Ada) were invested in the Mundus, so that feeling of betrayal is something he hated (which fits with why he's an enemy of Lorkhan and Boethia, as they represent these things)
I'm an Orc main and already knew most of this but that lil bit of Khajit lore low-key hit me pretty hard. They don't distinguish Malacath and Trinimac 😭like I needed another reason to love Khajit. Orcs as these tragic pariahs to elvenkind in ES is something that really resonated with me when I first started getting into their lore. It's just such an interesting inversion of the Tolkien school of orcs-as-evil-minions; and Malacath being this inversion of the Daedric Princes just makes for such a cool presence within the total story of Mundus. As a side note I kinda feel like Malacath has the same vibe as people who are high-key hard but low-key really kind and decent. Like Kazuma Kiryu or Joel from Last Of Us or even someone like Jin from Champloo. Especially if you equate being eaten and shat out (gross) with arguable equal existential crises that leave your life in shambles but your honor intact 🤔
Lol Trinimac was a bitch, Malacath finally saw the truth behind the lies of the elves when he was subject to their very same ire. I have mad respect for the orcs and their once blinded-by-the-light God.
Yep, sure Malacath was cursed by the Daedra but he was also spurned by the Aedra to. People also forget how the Orsimer were treated by thier golden skinned brethren after thier transformation, many Orcs were enslaved or killed by Altmer, Aylieds, and Direnni and were grouped in with Goblin-kin, with thier elven blood pretty much being denied by the other races of Mer. Imo, I believe Trinimac transformation into Malacath, made him realize how fickle Mer and the Aedra could be and I doubt he still aligns with them. So Malacath is neither pro Mer and Aedra or pro Man and Daedra, Malacath only cares about his Orcs and other pariahs, everyone else is a enemy or betrayer.
@@smuggrog9821 That's exactly my point. A bunch of "brothers" were spurned because they saw the true light just like Trinimac. A false reverence is no reverence at all. Trinimac, or rather Malacath found his true people in the Orsimer and in the Orsimer they found the truest of Mer.
Why does everyone portray Triminac as a killer, a god who wants human sacrifices, in general evil with evil followers. If this is even half correct none of that is correct. I think the two coolest beings not Adrea or Deadra are Malacath and Merida for the reasons in these videos and what I have learned myself in the game.
Its interesting that Trinimac was the last of Aedra on Nirn and seemed to have chosen not to ascend to Aetherius, i have always had the theory that Trinimac's views on Nirn became a little bit more Padomaic, even though at the time, the Aedra probably wasn't aware of the shift in his perception of Lorkhans creation. Trinimac took pride and joy in protecting and guiding the Aldmer, in being a father to the Aldmer and he wouldn't have been able to preform role he went to Aetherius, it would make a lot of sense for Trinimac to see Dawns Beauty as less as prison like the other Aedra, due to his love for Aldmer, his children in the mortal realm. But just like Drew alluded to in his vid, I think the realization of this only hit Trinimac when he as transformed into Malacath and banished to Oblivion, it was only then that he realized how much he lost in being back in the realms of the Et'eda, separate from his children. I think on some level Malacath might have emphasized with Lorkhan and his love for his children, Men, just like his own love for his own children, the Orcs. It would also explain the similarities traditional Orcish culture has with more padomaic cultures like that of the Nords, Reachmen, and Ashlanders. Now I am not saying Malacath is pro Lorkhan or pro Man and I would say that Malacath is neither pro Mer or pro Man. He is simply pro Orc and pro pariah now that he is the Prince of Outcasts. But do find it likely that Trinimac's extended time on Nirn and his banishment to Oblivion might have made Malacath understand Lorkhans motives a bit more.
No, the Aedra had always loved the creation. They hated that Mundus was made mostly under the ownership of Lorkhan and they were just the sacrificial building blocks for it. It was like being pregnant with a child, only for the child to be taken away after birth and the mother to be killed afterwards.
The virgin Trinimac who blames Lorkhan for his own inability to succeed in an environment that's actually meant to challenge gods and mortals to grow vs the chad Lorkhan who has been proven right time and time again by enemy and ally alike.
My main skyrim character, and my first, was an Orc named Ugh-Lynd-Bautista. I use him as a mentor/DMPC in my dnd world now. Bother iterations are of him blessed/cursed with immortality save for death in combat, and he is representative of the spirit of Orcs and their values throughout the world. There is such poetic beauty in the saga of a great warrior, Honor bound and full of Valor, in a world that outcasts them for simply being what they are. In the end, however, hard as they may try. No one bests an Orc.
Got to say Drew, this video took Malacath from "eh, angry orc daedra" to one of my favorite entities in the ES universe. I've known about the Trinimac backstory for ages, but this video put such an emotional spin on it. Thank you!
So let them hate him, because he can take it because he's not a hero... Seriously, my last character was a paladin of Malacath with Wintersun. It was the most fun I've had in a playthrough, I had loads of fun wiping the floor with the entire Markarth city guard after they *tried* to arrest me. As well as absolutely dark-knighting it up everywhere I could. Also, isn't it funny Malacath's second greatest nemesis is the insane god...
The battle at the start, is that all written by you based on in game texts? Like descriptions of the battle, what Lorkhan looked like etc. Or are you taking creative liberties with it? I only ask cuz its very well done, especially the amount of detail. I don't recall seeing a description of Lorkhan in ebony and wielding an axe vs Trinimac in moonstone. Either way, huge fan, was just wondering how much of the intro is you vs in-game sources. Dawn/Merethic Era lore is best lore lol.
I definitely take creative liberties, but I also try to make those liberties as lore-accurate or at least lore-inspired as possible. There's a theory I like that the lava flowing from Red Mt is Lorkhan's lifeblood, and ebony is a volcanic glass found in lava flows. And moonstone is part of elven armour, so seems fitting for Trinimac etc etc.
@@DrewmoraYT Ahh gotcha. Hey, you won't catch me complaining. You paint incredible pictures with your words. Really bring those early days of when the gods walked the earth to life. Keep going !
I know you’re still friends with Fudgemuppet, but I’m SO glad you left. Your narration, analysis of lore and theory, and overall knowledge and insight on the Elder scrolls is so organized and efficiently said, it deserves to have its own channel. Bravo drew! Keep them coming!
What would happen if someone mantled Trinimac/Malacath, like The Hero in Oblivion mantled Sheogorath/Jyggalag? Would Trinimac be set free by the curse of Boethiah and the person who mantled him eventually turn into Malacath? Would the Orcs also be redeemed? Would the return of Trinimac usher in the unification of the Elves and the return of Aldmeris? According to my knowledge, the ES6 trailer played exactly from where the new Orsinium was being built in the 4th era, on the border between Skyrim and Hammerfell and in the middle of the Dragontail mountains. Wouldn't it be awesome if this was the plot for ES6? And that the siege warfare that is being planned is actually the Aldmer/Redeemed Orcs conquering their own spot as a province in Tamriel? (Side note, if the return of Trinimac ushers in the return of Aldmeris, would the Dwarves also return?) (Side Side note, the Khajiit are technically Elven when you look at their most human birth phase of the moons, and the Argonians are technically more affiliated with Lorkhan/Sithis like the races of Men.)
@Grubkiller I consider human to mean non-beast race. But maybe it wasn't politically correct. The point is some Khajiit are indistinguishable from Bosmer on a certain moon phase.
@@EdrichHorn Yes, some Khajiit look like elves like the Ohmes from Arena and the Ohmes-raht from Daggerfall. The Khajiit from Morrowind are different from the Khajiit from Oblivion and Skyrim. Lorewise, the Ohmes Khajiit from Arena disappeared or are in Elsweyr. The Ohmes-raht are the Khajiit in High Rock, the Suthay-raht are the Khajiit in Morrowind and the Cathay are the Khajiit in Cyrodiil and Skyrim.
Is it possible that Trinimac wasn't defeated by Boethiah but instead agreed with Boethiah? There are greek tales of men who's anger become so great they are "possessed" or overtaken by the spirit of Ares. "Boethiah talked like Trinamac for a while." Perhaps Trinimac humiliated himself? He was an Aedra that finally came to terms with his place in the aurbis and finally decided to "do what he aught to". Perhaps Trinamac was always close to becoming Malacath but held it all back by the love and beauty of the past he cherished so much? Perhaps all the Aedra are capable of "devolving"(Or evolving from Trinimac's perspective) into their "daedric" characteristics. Sometimes falling to evil can happen as simple as accepting one's reality?
This video is immaculate! The narration was suburb and opening story was epic! Malacath will always be one of my favorite Deadric princes and boy did this video do him justice.
Your love and reverence for the lore of these games shines through with each video you make, and you continue to improve in writing and producing them. Keep at it man, I’m sure we’ll see this channel grow a lot given enough time.
There's no channel like yours to give me the inspiration for yet another Skyrim playthrough, so life's problems can take the backseat, if only for a short while. Thank you for this.
Malacath is undoubtedly the most human of the Daedric princes; the others are either too tropey and one-dimensional or nothing more than a placeholder for some abstract concept.
You know, in thinking about the overall idea of what happened to Trinimac and his "sullying" I wonder if what Boetheia did was what Drew brought up at the end: She gave him precisely what he wanted. She removed him from Mundus and mortality. And when he actually got it, it began ovbvious just how much he actually didn't *want* what he was so sure he wanted. It's the Daedric version of "Look at the dumbass *finally* getting what was so obvious to the rest of us!" It also gives him stronger ties to the spurned and underdog, beyond just *forever* being the underdog because of his severing.
If Lorkahn's heart was removed and then shot into the distance, how come it's seen inside of a giant body in Red mountain? Shouldn't there not be a body, at least not nearby?
The body you see is Akulakhan, the "second Numidium". It's an unfinished golem/robotesque apparition (built by Dagoth Ur, to take over Tamriel) and the heart is supposed to be the source of its power.
@@xappy9977 Never played Oblivion and im still learning new stuff about it. Why a flesh golem though? And did the bones come from something/someone else or was it more of a reanimate corpse deal on a aedric scale?
Imagine a story where Malacath is healed, but an "Echoe" or memory of Malacath remains. Allowing Orcs to continue to serve Malacath or turn to the revived Trinimac. That would be an interesting story.
Glory to Malacath/Trinimac! Patron of outcasts, the betrayed and all those refusing to bend a knee to fate. All incarnation of my characters, whether they are Bretons, Argonians or Khajiits, go to battle with the name of the God of otracised on their lips!
If you think about it, while it's clear that Malacath certainly favors the Orsimmer, the most compelling part about him is he refuses to just keep to them. He sticks by those who stick by him regardless of *what* they are. As Malacath, other than of course the orcs, there are others, even nords and reachmen, who worship him. Even the minor races often dismissed across Tamriel, such as the ogres and goblins who some don't even fully consider sentient, are not beneath his care. In a weird way, I think this also might be why he acts so relatively chill with the player character who are usually at least somewhat tangentially related to Lorkhan; he might not have wanted to be trapped on Nirn to begin with, but he came to love it both in its own right and for those who inhabit it, and so is usually relatively eager to grant aid in the form of boons for what in the grand scheme of things tend to be pretty intimate quests (avenging an inter-generational wrong, freeing a handful of ogres from a mine, exposing one single liar, and in ESO even showing a degree of favor for simply being willing to learn the history of Orsinium, even if you've directly opposed him before).
Little known fact, Malacath was training the orcs so that one day, he would open an oblivion gate, take them into his realm, then open another gate into a new land called Azeroth. They would invade it and take it over as their own land.
And in the end, Trinimac failed to do what he set out to; destroy Lorkhan, and reverse Sithis's influence on creation. I also don't believe in the take on Lorkhan being a trickster. The other spirits took on his proposal out of their own pride of wanting to create, control, and rule something. As well as their own curiosity; they did it to themselves.
Hey Drew, I don't know if you check comments on old videos but what is the name of the Dragonborn cover used as the background music @2:40. Always love your content, btw!!
So when a kalpa starts over, how far back does it go? Does the Godhead wake up and fall asleep once again to start a new kalpa? Do Anu and Padomay separate and re-merge? Do the et'Ada divide into aedra, daedra, and magna-ge and create Mundus again? When a new kalpa starts, what's preserved and what's erased?
I've always liked Malacath. In a way he's a god of the underdogs, and generally a just, truthful and protective figure. I feel really bad for him honestly.
Same. The tragic fall of Trinimac into what he is now is indeed a shame. It's nice to know that Trinimac is still the same God he was before at heart. The corruption Boethia and Mephala brought on him wasn't enough to fully break or engulf his spirit at its core
TBH I've liked him more as Malacath, then as Trinimac. I'm getting a vibe of an inflexible, unreachable champion from Trinimac... But Malacath, a fricking, functional dam.
@@ZeroSeriesMMX
Well, I suppose it's cause Malacath has more characterization.
You could argue that, in Bethesda's work in making the human gods more prevelant in their storytelling, that most of the Elven Et'Ada aren't as well known as they could be. Few fans truly know of the Elven gods or, well, most of the Gods outside of the Imperial ones
Malacath's history when he was Trinimac up till now, however, has a lot of characterization to him. Y'ffre/Jephre does too, thanks to the Bosmer
But yeah, I want to see the personalities of more of the other Elven Gods throughout time. They have mostly Dawn Era stories, save for the 2 previously mentioned, as well as the younger ones like Phynaster and Syrabane.
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Well, "Good" because they taught the Chimer/Dunmer how to live, so they're not as destructive or untrustworthy as the other Daedra (in their eyes, of course)
But yeah, they left Trinimac sundered, further dividing the community that their ancestors had lead beforehand. The Altmer were slowly worshipping only the original Et'Ada instead of all their individual Ancestors, but instead of trying to mend that rift, the Chimer abandoned their kin.
Sad but true
Same
Malacath’s story has a touch of irony to it, too, when you think about it. He loved anu, the aedra, the ehlnofey, the elves, so much so that he was willing to kill men (wandering ehlnofey) and lorkhan only for him to be outcasted by most of those he served. I imagine he must now know what it was like to be a wandering ehlnofey
The fact that he kept a little piece of Tamriel among all that ash and unbretheable toxic wasteland is actually so cool, makes me really sad for him though :(
Honestly I don't feel sorry for him at all when you really think about it malacath is everything trinimac wanted he's immortal free from the trap of mundus and rules over a realm completely opposite from dawns beauty.
He has everything he asked for only to realise after ruining countless lives that it wasn't what he wanted.
@@placeholder2586 Trinimac and the other Et'Ada like the concept of Mundus when it was introduced to them. It's the ulterior motive of Lorkhan and the influence of Sithis that they hate because there's just way too much of it.
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This isn't what Trinimac wanted. He wanted his people, the Old Ehlnofey, to be free of the Mundus.
The only regret he truly has is that he couldn't see that the Mundus is unfortunately here to stay.
He doesn't "love" Mundus, he just hates that he didn't prepare the Elves for the reality of the new, harsh world. He kept them from kinda just stoning up and making the most of a bad situation.
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Precisely, Trinimac had every right to hate what occured
Boethia: "You're a piece of crap."
Aedra: "You're a failure!"
Daedra: "You're weak and lame!"
Sheogorath: "You're gullible"
Malacath: *"You're wrong!"*
Malacath is never wrong. He is Strength, Honor, and Unity. A true Golden Champion.
@@nicholasdaniel2778it is him saying it dening what the others describe him as
@@Martin_Boru_The_Herald I know, but still though.
Orsimer: "Tell em pops!"
He is, technically a piece of crap.
I love the Orcs and Malacath so much. I appreciate any love they get, and this really told the story of Malacath wonderfully.
Same here, absolutely.
Same, I can't really play as anything but the Orsimer...
It is interesting to explore that Trinimac seems to be lefthanded, and Lefthanded elves built Orichalc Tower, and orcish items are also crafted from orichalcum in Skyrim. Is there a connection between Lefthanded elves and Orsimer? Did they both followed Trinimac? Did Orsimer came from Yokuda and just forgot they own history?
Strangely enough, in the book Redguards, thier History, and Heroes there is passage in the book that says that emperor Hira, had a brigand army that was composed "of Orcs and castoffs of the wars of the empire". Another interesting connection, is that Malacath is sometimes referred to as "He Who Speaks Sideways" by the Orcs and Diagna is also known as the "Orichalc God of the Sideways Blade" by the Redguards. So yeah, thier does seem a to be a lot of weird connections between Orcs, left handed elves, and Diagna and a text implying that Orcs might have inhabited Yokuda makes this connection even stranger.
I've had my own theories regarding Yokuda and the history of the elves. Between the lefthanded connection to Orichalcum and the timeline of late merethic and early first age events like the Chimer exodus and the curious overlap between Yokudan and Maomer culture during the sea elves' inception, assuming Aldmeris never existed (at least in the divine form Altmer officials insist upon) it is very probable the Aldmer came from Yokuda or their home island/sub-continent was at least adjacent in the Eltheric ocean.
@MechaLeo
It seems that the area Yokuda and Summerset are may have been where the hub of Old Ehlnofey once was
@@smuggrog9821
Mayhaps the Mer from Yokuda were among the ones that worshiped Trinimac even more than Auriel at times
No lie, I convinced my college professor to let me write about various TES lore for my final essay in my mythology and society class, and I'm citing this video as one of my sources. Thanks so much for all the wonderful presentations of lore!
Please let us know how it goes
I too am curious
Update: The professor was so intrigued he wants to try playing the games. I got a perfect score on the paper.😎
@@The_Starkindler praise what ever deities exist upon this world
We know its you, Sheogorath. Congrats on the good grade though.
Malacath has such protagonist energy, I hope he has his day at some point.
Facts. A rematch of sorts too, Malacath VS Talos
Bro I gotta be honest. Your one of the best lore video producers on the platform. I can both learn more about a series I dearly love (elder scrolls, witcher, elden ring, etc) & feel completely at easy as I try to rest after a hard day. Weirdly enough I feel like we're all sitting around a bonfire listening to you tell stories of lands far beyond distance & comprehension. So keep on giving it your all. Meanwhile I'll do what I can to support you & all your hard work.
Once again, Drew doesn't fail to impress.
And here, his story is properly able to encapsulate the tragic fate of a once proud Warrior. What I would give to see the Dawn War fully shown
Its also important to note that, when the Chimer abandoned Trinimac and the Aldmeri gods, their society had lost the unity they once held, for a time. From High Velothi culture to scattered Tribes in Resdayn, reflecting the fall of the Elven God of Unity.
Trinimac and the Old Ehlnofey represent the tale that claims "Aldmeris will only return when the Races of Mer are united as one". Until a great Mer can mantle the now empty space Trinimac left behind, and until the Elven races put aside their differences to face man together as their Ancestors once did, Aldmeris whether metaphorical or physical, will never return.
Imagine the glory if the Redguards, Nords and imperials combined, and all the mer unified, and the beast folk (and depending on your take the Bosmer would either join the beastfolk,or the mer), imagine this triad, and what they could achieve via trade, diplomacy, and respect, man mer and beast United could even exceed even that of the Dwemer, for even they suffered with fractured ignorance. Not a dictatorship, just peace
Races of Man AKA the Human Species are united and are ready to fight the Races of Mer AKA the Elven Species just as their ancestors did.
@@Super50ldier That is not peaceful unification, not to mention they are still stuck in an endless endurance of Kalpas and end times.
Yes, I totally agree there were alliances, of which I assume most were created in the name of war, not individual/collective benefit.
I did not express my point clearly and concisely enough. My point wasn't that ni race will work together, but that man, mer and beast folk need to put aside their racism and theological beliefs aside (specifically the 'debate' of Auriel), for their own benefit.
I am merely throwing out food for thought, idealistic as it is
“Gods Be Praised” - Eorlund Gray Mane
I thought he always said “Goths be praised.”
Got a lot of steel to shape.
You know, Mr. Drew, that I've never felt much for the orcs, but hearing you tell of Trinimac's humiliation and subsequent reappearance as Malacath, I can actually say I admire the orcs for standing so firmly behind Malacath/Trinimac. I also now understand their curse more fully. I feel for Malacath, I think I always have as I did understand his story, I just never fully understood how the orcs became so distanced from the rest of the Mer.
Thank you for ALWAYS making things a bit clearer for me. Again, your "tellings" are quite enlightening. Thank you, kind Sir.
I love the fact Malacath fits the idea of a benevolent deadra. Stern, but fair. Smart but tough. Vain but as he should be in his place! Truly fits how they have portrayed deadric beings to be
What happened to Trinimac was pretty crappy. It's a shame to have his reputation as the god who tore out Lorkhan's heart be flushed away like that.
Great video as always Drew!
Somehow, it raised my respect to Trinimac even more. It took at least two Daedric princes to defeat him. It was already an unfair advantage in favor of the Daedric princes because Trinimac is an Aedra, a god who contributed most of his power to the creation of Mundus, while Boethiah and Mephala had their powers fully intact.
I wonder if unlike other Aedra/Dedra his power/influence waxes and wanes with Orismer dominance
I really wouldn't tout killing/sundering Lorkhan as something to be proud of.
@@Xbalanque84 How is it not?
@@kylerBD Because Lorkhan is the most important God in Elder Scrolls.
The narrative that Lorkhan is a trickster God/evil God is mainly from the Anuic civilisations, mainly High Elves. All the Padomaic races, especially men revere Shor/Lorkhan as their champion deity. So looking from a neutral perspective Lorkhan is not inherently good/bad. And frankly, a mortal's perspective on "good", "bad" is very narrow.
The fact is, he is the God of mortality. The mortal sphere IS Lorkhan in a lot of ways. EVERYTHING that happens in ES universe, every main event in all 5 games has Lorkhan's deep involvement, and every outcome is orchestrated according to his will. The shezzarines are a prime example.
So yeah, sundering Lorkhan is not in itself a good or bad thing & something to be proud of, it is only if you are thinking from an Altmer/Orsimer perspective.
And neither Auriel nor Trinimac could actually "kill" Lorkhan or his will (killing, death etc are mortal ideas tbf), because as the doom drum said while laughing at them: "For one is created to satisfy the other".
Your editing and storyteling are getting even better with each video, and they were already spectacular!
this made my outlook on malacath change so much, he’s genuinely one of my favored spirits now; holy shit (literally)
Hey you, you're finally awake:
*New Drewmora video.*
All I can ever think about when I hear Malacath is “GULARZOB’S IN CHARGE NOW!” This was a great video though and she’d new light on him for me.
*You're weak, you're small, you're a shame to your kin!*
"I'll be your father figure, 'til the end of time."
- Trinimac, probably
These videos are so underrated!! You have such an amazing way of narration I can't wait for this channel to blow up! Definitely my fav ex-fudgemuppet member lmao
Dude that’s so legit... 😃
Such a heartbreaking story. Yet also a redemptive one in so many ways. Thank for sharing this tragic, yet beautiful, tale.
-Cursed God- Swole God.
Malacath has always been one of my favorite Daedric Princes (second only to Hermaeus Mora for obvious reasons), and this video only deepened my appreciation for him.
I think the most humiliating aspect of Boethiah's corruption of Trinimac is that it revealed the genuine love he had for the creation he fought so hard to escape. Really a matter of "you don't know what you have until it's gone", and the fact it was taught to him by Boethiah as he attempted to sway the Velothi away from that same pro-Lorkhanic mentality would make it that much more insulting I think. Trinimac's downfall was spelled by his indignation at Lorkhan's deception, and it was only once he was banished from it that he realized how important it had become to him.
I don't entirely agree.
This isn't what Trinimac wanted. He wanted his people, the Old Ehlnofey, to be free of the Mundus.
The only regret he truly has is that he couldn't see that the Mundus is unfortunately here to stay.
He doesn't "love" Mundus, he just hates that he didn't prepare the Elves for the reality of the new, harsh world. He kept them from kinda just stoning up and making the most of a bad situation.
That said, many of the Et'Ada liked the idea of Mundus, but it was Lorkhan's alterior motives that they hated
I'm convinced that Trinimac was shown the truth about Lorkhan by Boethiah, and that his "corruption" is actually more of a sorrowful penance that he has placed on himself than anything actually done to him by Boethiah (and maybe also Mephala). Even when you look at the Orsimer (especially the tribal Orcs of Skyrim) and the more traditional, almost barbaric Nords, you see a lot of similarities. But on the whole, I agree with most of this video.
Also, that new Giant's Grove statue of Malacath you have there is **chef's kiss**
Respectfully, I don't agree. He's still an enemy of Man and I'd argue that he wasn't in the wrong for his slaying of Trinimac.
Its an interesting theory but I guess we'll never truly know... unless we see the Dawn Era as it truly was some day.
My theory : Boethiah IS Trinimac, the story of him being "eaten" and "pooped" is a metaphor for the Chimer rejecting Aldmer ideology and replacing it with Velothi ideology (to be eaten is to be mantled and Nirn is a world where metaphor is made reality). Orcs are the descendants of the elnofhey underdogs who lost against Lorkhan's armies and refused to join the Chimer
@@Super50ldier I don't really know what point you're trying to make. Nords/Amorans come from _Shor_ and Kyne. Shor is the Nordic aspect of the deity the Elves call Lorkhan; Kyne is the Nordic aspect of the deity otherwise known as Kynareth. So, yes, the Nords/Atmorans _do_ come from Lorkhan, in a manner of speaking. But if that was your point, and you want to get into the minutiae about it, then the Imperials/Nedes also do not come from Lorkhan. Properly speaking, they come from Shezarr, the Imperial/Nedic aspect of Lorkhan. "Lorkhan" is the Elven aspect of and name given to the same deity that is alternately known as Lorkh (Reachmen), Lorkhaj (Khajiit), Shor (Nords), Shezarr (Imperials), Sheor (Bretons), and Sep (Redguards).
@@Super50ldier Dude, this conversation ended three months ago Why are you still going on about it? Why is this your hill to die on?
I make a mean 3-cheese mac and cheese (gruyere, asiago and cheddar). Officially as of this moment it’s called Trinimac.
Praise be to Malacath, the god of outcastes and the changer of perspective.
I've recounted the tale of me disliking Malacath, and then learning to love him. I would never follow or commit to him, as that's not who i am. However, he's one that i have utmost respect for, and i think he's one that deserves as much worship as possible. Shame trinimac was an elf though
A lot of what Drew covers in this video supports the idea that the difference between an Aedra and a Deadra are based on mortal points of view.
I followed Drew from the old channel because I just love the way he tells stories. It’s amazing, these stories were obviously written by other people but he arranges the details and brings it all to life in a new way. And man, I honestly could hear Drew talk in his soft story telling voice all day. Soothing as hell.
Totally agree dude. Guys a master story weaver...must have joined the bards college XD
When last I was this early, Maztiak was still being dragged through the streets by his bonewalkers and his flesh had still yet to be opened by rocks thereon.
Such a good video. I can't help but think how sad and almost beautiful the tale of Trinimac/Malacath is. How one can present themselves as so honour-bound and revenge driven but yet all of that is motivated by a deep love and sadness to feel and breathe the beauty of Nirn again
In the End, I dunno if I'd say he hated what Lorkhan did with his deception, but he (like the other Et'Ada) were invested in the Mundus, so that feeling of betrayal is something he hated (which fits with why he's an enemy of Lorkhan and Boethia, as they represent these things)
I'm an Orc main and already knew most of this but that lil bit of Khajit lore low-key hit me pretty hard. They don't distinguish Malacath and Trinimac 😭like I needed another reason to love Khajit.
Orcs as these tragic pariahs to elvenkind in ES is something that really resonated with me when I first started getting into their lore. It's just such an interesting inversion of the Tolkien school of orcs-as-evil-minions; and Malacath being this inversion of the Daedric Princes just makes for such a cool presence within the total story of Mundus.
As a side note I kinda feel like Malacath has the same vibe as people who are high-key hard but low-key really kind and decent. Like Kazuma Kiryu or Joel from Last Of Us or even someone like Jin from Champloo. Especially if you equate being eaten and shat out (gross) with arguable equal existential crises that leave your life in shambles but your honor intact
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Lol Trinimac was a bitch, Malacath finally saw the truth behind the lies of the elves when he was subject to their very same ire. I have mad respect for the orcs and their once blinded-by-the-light God.
Yep, sure Malacath was cursed by the Daedra but he was also spurned by the Aedra to. People also forget how the Orsimer were treated by thier golden skinned brethren after thier transformation, many Orcs were enslaved or killed by Altmer, Aylieds, and Direnni and were grouped in with Goblin-kin, with thier elven blood pretty much being denied by the other races of Mer. Imo, I believe Trinimac transformation into Malacath, made him realize how fickle Mer and the Aedra could be and I doubt he still aligns with them. So Malacath is neither pro Mer and Aedra or pro Man and Daedra, Malacath only cares about his Orcs and other pariahs, everyone else is a enemy or betrayer.
@@smuggrog9821 That's exactly my point. A bunch of "brothers" were spurned because they saw the true light just like Trinimac. A false reverence is no reverence at all. Trinimac, or rather Malacath found his true people in the Orsimer and in the Orsimer they found the truest of Mer.
Why does everyone portray Triminac as a killer, a god who wants human sacrifices, in general evil with evil followers. If this is even half correct none of that is correct. I think the two coolest beings not Adrea or Deadra are Malacath and Merida for the reasons in these videos and what I have learned myself in the game.
Its interesting that Trinimac was the last of Aedra on Nirn and seemed to have chosen not to ascend to Aetherius, i have always had the theory that Trinimac's views on Nirn became a little bit more Padomaic, even though at the time, the Aedra probably wasn't aware of the shift in his perception of Lorkhans creation. Trinimac took pride and joy in protecting and guiding the Aldmer, in being a father to the Aldmer and he wouldn't have been able to preform role he went to Aetherius, it would make a lot of sense for Trinimac to see Dawns Beauty as less as prison like the other Aedra, due to his love for Aldmer, his children in the mortal realm. But just like Drew alluded to in his vid, I think the realization of this only hit Trinimac when he as transformed into Malacath and banished to Oblivion, it was only then that he realized how much he lost in being back in the realms of the Et'eda, separate from his children.
I think on some level Malacath might have emphasized with Lorkhan and his love for his children, Men, just like his own love for his own children, the Orcs. It would also explain the similarities traditional Orcish culture has with more padomaic cultures like that of the Nords, Reachmen, and Ashlanders. Now I am not saying Malacath is pro Lorkhan or pro Man and I would say that Malacath is neither pro Mer or pro Man. He is simply pro Orc and pro pariah now that he is the Prince of Outcasts. But do find it likely that Trinimac's extended time on Nirn and his banishment to Oblivion might have made Malacath understand Lorkhans motives a bit more.
No, the Aedra had always loved the creation. They hated that Mundus was made mostly under the ownership of Lorkhan and they were just the sacrificial building blocks for it. It was like being pregnant with a child, only for the child to be taken away after birth and the mother to be killed afterwards.
Here we go! A video exploring our reviled poo lord.
The virgin Trinimac who blames Lorkhan for his own inability to succeed in an environment that's actually meant to challenge gods and mortals to grow vs the chad Lorkhan who has been proven right time and time again by enemy and ally alike.
Absolutely love your writing.
I wish you all the success with your personal channel - high quality, passionate, hard work deserves it
My main skyrim character, and my first, was an Orc named Ugh-Lynd-Bautista. I use him as a mentor/DMPC in my dnd world now. Bother iterations are of him blessed/cursed with immortality save for death in combat, and he is representative of the spirit of Orcs and their values throughout the world.
There is such poetic beauty in the saga of a great warrior, Honor bound and full of Valor, in a world that outcasts them for simply being what they are.
In the end, however, hard as they may try. No one bests an Orc.
Got to say Drew, this video took Malacath from "eh, angry orc daedra" to one of my favorite entities in the ES universe. I've known about the Trinimac backstory for ages, but this video put such an emotional spin on it. Thank you!
Through suffering comes wisdom
Malacath bless you bloodkin. I will not forget your service to my people. Our true heritage must never be forgotten
Dude, that intro goes so hard. Had me feeling goosebumps after 5 minutes lol
So let them hate him,
because he can take it
because he's not a hero...
Seriously, my last character was a paladin of Malacath with Wintersun. It was the most fun I've had in a playthrough, I had loads of fun wiping the floor with the entire Markarth city guard after they *tried* to arrest me. As well as absolutely dark-knighting it up everywhere I could.
Also, isn't it funny Malacath's second greatest nemesis is the insane god...
Hey drew you should do a video reading silly things in this same tone of voice.
Thats a good idea for an April Fools video.
A video like this might actually be coming this weekend :)
Given the poop god take is by the Dunmer its odd so many take it at face value.
The battle at the start, is that all written by you based on in game texts? Like descriptions of the battle, what Lorkhan looked like etc. Or are you taking creative liberties with it? I only ask cuz its very well done, especially the amount of detail. I don't recall seeing a description of Lorkhan in ebony and wielding an axe vs Trinimac in moonstone. Either way, huge fan, was just wondering how much of the intro is you vs in-game sources. Dawn/Merethic Era lore is best lore lol.
I definitely take creative liberties, but I also try to make those liberties as lore-accurate or at least lore-inspired as possible. There's a theory I like that the lava flowing from Red Mt is Lorkhan's lifeblood, and ebony is a volcanic glass found in lava flows. And moonstone is part of elven armour, so seems fitting for Trinimac etc etc.
@@DrewmoraYT Ahh gotcha. Hey, you won't catch me complaining. You paint incredible pictures with your words. Really bring those early days of when the gods walked the earth to life. Keep going !
Will there be any future Witcher content on the channel? Just curious. Loved the video Drew. ❤
Thanks mate! I've got lots of Witcher content planned, but I'm holding out for the next-gen update next month :)
Favorite video yet, excellent in terms of visuals to help follow the always great narration
Always looking forward to more Drew
This channel has really become something special. Every single elder scrolls video you post is a topic I have been craving more information about.
The warrior god became the bitter old veteran god
I know you’re still friends with Fudgemuppet, but I’m SO glad you left. Your narration, analysis of lore and theory, and overall knowledge and insight on the Elder scrolls is so organized and efficiently said, it deserves to have its own channel. Bravo drew! Keep them coming!
What would happen if someone mantled Trinimac/Malacath, like The Hero in Oblivion mantled Sheogorath/Jyggalag? Would Trinimac be set free by the curse of Boethiah and the person who mantled him eventually turn into Malacath? Would the Orcs also be redeemed? Would the return of Trinimac usher in the unification of the Elves and the return of Aldmeris? According to my knowledge, the ES6 trailer played exactly from where the new Orsinium was being built in the 4th era, on the border between Skyrim and Hammerfell and in the middle of the Dragontail mountains. Wouldn't it be awesome if this was the plot for ES6? And that the siege warfare that is being planned is actually the Aldmer/Redeemed Orcs conquering their own spot as a province in Tamriel? (Side note, if the return of Trinimac ushers in the return of Aldmeris, would the Dwarves also return?) (Side Side note, the Khajiit are technically Elven when you look at their most human birth phase of the moons, and the Argonians are technically more affiliated with Lorkhan/Sithis like the races of Men.)
@Grubkiller I consider human to mean non-beast race. But maybe it wasn't politically correct. The point is some Khajiit are indistinguishable from Bosmer on a certain moon phase.
@@EdrichHorn Yes, some Khajiit look like elves like the Ohmes from Arena and the Ohmes-raht from Daggerfall. The Khajiit from Morrowind are different from the Khajiit from Oblivion and Skyrim.
Lorewise, the Ohmes Khajiit from Arena disappeared or are in Elsweyr. The Ohmes-raht are the Khajiit in High Rock, the Suthay-raht are the Khajiit in Morrowind and the Cathay are the Khajiit in Cyrodiil and Skyrim.
Is it possible that Trinimac wasn't defeated by Boethiah but instead agreed with Boethiah? There are greek tales of men who's anger become so great they are "possessed" or overtaken by the spirit of Ares. "Boethiah talked like Trinamac for a while." Perhaps Trinimac humiliated himself? He was an Aedra that finally came to terms with his place in the aurbis and finally decided to "do what he aught to". Perhaps Trinamac was always close to becoming Malacath but held it all back by the love and beauty of the past he cherished so much? Perhaps all the Aedra are capable of "devolving"(Or evolving from Trinimac's perspective) into their "daedric" characteristics. Sometimes falling to evil can happen as simple as accepting one's reality?
Drew, you were the best part of Fudgemuppet.
36 lessons drew! Cmon! We want more!!
They're coming Alex, hang in there! Much like reading an Elder Scroll, we must pace ourselves to avoid being blinded by Vehk's transcendental wisdom
@@DrewmoraYT but much like skooma, we are climbing the walls, you n'wah!! :). XD
Ahh, how I love your videos. I have no money to give you but I will always watch. Thank you.
I love how his hatred was so immense that he literally became the god of revenge
Man I love these deep lore dives so much!
This video is immaculate! The narration was suburb and opening story was epic! Malacath will always be one of my favorite Deadric princes and boy did this video do him justice.
Your love and reverence for the lore of these games shines through with each video you make, and you continue to improve in writing and producing them.
Keep at it man, I’m sure we’ll see this channel grow a lot given enough time.
Thanks, Drew. Thank you for this.
Great video. I feel full of knowledge now. Kinda like Boethiah must've felt after eating Trinimac.
I think they're kinda cute, for a god that's been shat out
Love this episode!! The orcs are my favourite of all the elves!
There's no channel like yours to give me the inspiration for yet another Skyrim playthrough, so life's problems can take the backseat, if only for a short while. Thank you for this.
Malacath is undoubtedly the most human of the Daedric princes; the others are either too tropey and one-dimensional or nothing more than a placeholder for some abstract concept.
I am engulfed with bliss when experiencing these videos thank you Drew!!!
You know, in thinking about the overall idea of what happened to Trinimac and his "sullying" I wonder if what Boetheia did was what Drew brought up at the end: She gave him precisely what he wanted. She removed him from Mundus and mortality. And when he actually got it, it began ovbvious just how much he actually didn't *want* what he was so sure he wanted.
It's the Daedric version of "Look at the dumbass *finally* getting what was so obvious to the rest of us!"
It also gives him stronger ties to the spurned and underdog, beyond just *forever* being the underdog because of his severing.
If Lorkahn's heart was removed and then shot into the distance, how come it's seen inside of a giant body in Red mountain? Shouldn't there not be a body, at least not nearby?
The body you see is Akulakhan, the "second Numidium". It's an unfinished golem/robotesque apparition (built by Dagoth Ur, to take over Tamriel) and the heart is supposed to be the source of its power.
I guess Auriel just didn’t shoot it that far, and it landed in modern day Vaardenfell
@@xappy9977 Never played Oblivion and im still learning new stuff about it. Why a flesh golem though? And did the bones come from something/someone else or was it more of a reanimate corpse deal on a aedric scale?
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301 shoulda sent that shit to a moon
@@johnsmiley4215 It’s from Morrowind. If I remember correctly, it’s made of bodies? But don’t quote me on that
Malacath really gives me doom slayer and Guts vibes, especially from this backstory.
Imagine a story where Malacath is healed, but an "Echoe" or memory of Malacath remains. Allowing Orcs to continue to serve Malacath or turn to the revived Trinimac. That would be an interesting story.
Glory to Malacath/Trinimac! Patron of outcasts, the betrayed and all those refusing to bend a knee to fate. All incarnation of my characters, whether they are Bretons, Argonians or Khajiits, go to battle with the name of the God of otracised on their lips!
If you think about it, while it's clear that Malacath certainly favors the Orsimmer, the most compelling part about him is he refuses to just keep to them. He sticks by those who stick by him regardless of *what* they are. As Malacath, other than of course the orcs, there are others, even nords and reachmen, who worship him. Even the minor races often dismissed across Tamriel, such as the ogres and goblins who some don't even fully consider sentient, are not beneath his care. In a weird way, I think this also might be why he acts so relatively chill with the player character who are usually at least somewhat tangentially related to Lorkhan; he might not have wanted to be trapped on Nirn to begin with, but he came to love it both in its own right and for those who inhabit it, and so is usually relatively eager to grant aid in the form of boons for what in the grand scheme of things tend to be pretty intimate quests (avenging an inter-generational wrong, freeing a handful of ogres from a mine, exposing one single liar, and in ESO even showing a degree of favor for simply being willing to learn the history of Orsinium, even if you've directly opposed him before).
Little known fact, Malacath was training the orcs so that one day, he would open an oblivion gate, take them into his realm, then open another gate into a new land called Azeroth. They would invade it and take it over as their own land.
And in the end, Trinimac failed to do what he set out to; destroy Lorkhan, and reverse Sithis's influence on creation. I also don't believe in the take on Lorkhan being a trickster. The other spirits took on his proposal out of their own pride of wanting to create, control, and rule something. As well as their own curiosity; they did it to themselves.
“Best dad in Oblivion and all I got was a shirt from Peryite.”
Malacath probably.
Lets go drew
Elder scrolls is the religion and drew is the messenger
Hey Drew, I don't know if you check comments on old videos but what is the name of the Dragonborn cover used as the background music @2:40. Always love your content, btw!!
I’m not about to take Boethia’s bowel movement seriously just because it can walk and talk.
Jesus, Malacath definitely earned a place of tribute from me in future playthroughs
Lorkhan's intro got me so pumped. Great video.
I love your videos!
So when a kalpa starts over, how far back does it go? Does the Godhead wake up and fall asleep once again to start a new kalpa? Do Anu and Padomay separate and re-merge? Do the et'Ada divide into aedra, daedra, and magna-ge and create Mundus again? When a new kalpa starts, what's preserved and what's erased?
Great channel dude
Trinimac vs Pelinal Whitestrake = Who winning?
I love your video style! So excited to see the future if you’re ALREADY this good at storytelling and editing! Thank you for your hard work:)
This was fascinating - you're making me want to play Skyrim as an Orsimer now ... I *Almost* feel bad for him
The strangest part of this story is the notion that a Daedric Prince shits at all
Elder Scrolls 6 needs a new Daedric Prince named Drewmora! Amazing video once again!
Another well researched and presented lesson. Always a joy and pleasure learning from you Drew. Cheers mate, Carry on,
Man those elves sure do love to be overly dramatic.
He has a good hammer, it looks cool, that's all I know 😎
This is so goood!!!
I’d be cranky too if I was ate and pooped out
Amazing video always, showing the lore so excited to hear them!
trinimac sounds like a pawn😢