I would praise/honor Hircine and Azura. I would respect Molag Bal, Hermaeus Mora, Meridia, Sanguine, Malocath, Sheogorath, Clavicus Vile, and Sithis. I would oppose Vaermina, Boethiah, Mephala, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon, Peryite, Jyggalag, and Nocturnal.
@@morrigankasa570 Nah molag bal is an unloved insecure shite. Mehrunes and peryite are way more interesting especially peryite although hes not really powerfull compared to others hes shrouded in mystery even more then nocturnal
@@artje90 Mehrunes Dagon is a Total Jerk. Look at his questline in Skyrim, even if you obey him and kill the guy Mehrunes still attacks you with 2 Dremora. While Molag Bal he respects the deal you made with him and won't attack you. As for Peryite, no pestilence for me thanks. As for Nocturnal, Boethiah, Mephala, Vaermina they are horrible with their betrayal/sneaky/thievery crap! With the Daedra I honor or at least respect, they are far more straightforward and honest compared to the ones I oppose/defy. Even Clavicus Vile and Hermaeus Mora, though they do trickery type stuff. They are more of a "be careful what you wish for" type trickery while compared to the other ones I mentioned are inherently dishonest/tricky. If you are wise and careful with what you wish for, you can beat Clavicus Vile and Hermaeus Mora in the deal.
I have a minor request for future videos: When you have a quote on screen, can you please add a note on what the source is? Sometimes I'd like to read further, and that would be so helpful! Anyways, great work, keep making ace content!!!
I think I would die laughing if the whole Thalmor and Stormcloak/Empire Civil War conflict was just ignored in the main quest of VI, and it turned out the whole thing was resolved by finding a letter in Elder Scrolls VI that just read "Oh yeah, you know all that Thalmor stuff? Well when the Civil War in Skyrim finished, they discovered that the Thalmor had already collapsed due to political infighting, so they weren't really a problem."
@@Alpine1996 There is actually some continuity between morrowind and oblivion, even if it's not main quest stuff. We get told that the Septim dynasty is in danger, and the book "Dragon Breaks re-examined" even tells us directly of their end, and in oblivion that is exactly what happens. For TES 6 I kind of expect that the conflict with the thalmor will be already resolved (wich maybe is not ideal), but still carry a significant amount of weight.
Yeh can defo seeing the conflict being resolved prior to the new game, for better or worse. Also feel that the thalmor might win but end up pulling a dwemer type move and messing up there whole plan themselves and getting a bit of divine intervention to mess them up. Will be a few lore books like "the fall of the thalmor" or "the thalmor disaster" littered around for you to find and maybe even a side quest but I highly doubt it will be a main factor in the next game.
Always thought the Thalmor would be better served making a bunch of rings to convince the other races they are on their side. Then BAM! They make a ring to rule all the other rings. Good video!
Drew, I’m sure you know this but these are excellent videos. Your narration style and performance is just out of this world. You truly have an amazing oratorical gift along with great lore knowledge.
Yeah he's got a fantastic vocabulary too. I've got a pretty good vocabulary, but he's used a few words I've never even heard before like "castigating." Such a good word, much more elegant than "reprimanding"
This is actually one of the best lore videos on The Elder Scrolls that I've seen, and it alone proves how rich in storytelling this series is. The book about the Direnni alone - I'm stunned. And I would absolutely love to have this the main quest in TES VI!
@@batthepunny7277 we Dragons are immortal in this universe and he came as the story of the tower began, then dies as it ends so to me it relates that he’s integral to the story of the tower. There’s nothing solid to give it away but I feel like it fits. We’re never explicitly told the stone of the Snow Tower but an immortal being bound to it seems like a start. May would fit more in a FromSoftware game but eh
@@batthepunny7277 only a dragonborn could deactivate (and therefore destroy) that stone. I don't imagine deactivating any stone to any tower is meant to be easy: a failsafe measure. Anybody else but a dragonborn and it would just reappear later on. Supposedly there's a cave on the mountain but we don't see one. Other than the Paarthurnax and High Hrothgar there's nothing particularly notable on the mountain, so assuming they haven't kept something under wraps in the lore, the most likely stone would be Paarthurnax as I don't think they would make a castle a tower stone. Delphine probably isn't aware of this if it's the case, it would be an unfortunate circumstance. He's awesome, which is a shame, because my headcanon logic is to stifle my sentiment and kill Paarthurnax because I know, by his own admission, that he fights every day to keep his evil back, and with eternal life eventually he's going to eventually break his concentration after long enough and become just another tyrant again.
Drew, I’m not exaggerating when I say you are seriously the greatest video game content creator on this platform. Your departure from fudgemuppet was a major loss for that channel but it’s incredible to see the great work you’re putting out here. Since leaving FM you have really spread your wings; every video you put out is mindblowingly good. Your passion for the settings you cover is unmatched, and your writing and delivery are consistently so good. Cheers to you man, I wish great success to you.
The Winterhold questline is the prequel of Elder Scrolls VI main story. Quaranir and the Psijic Order will use the next hero in the Order's ideological and literally battle with the Thalmor. This will be the Altmer civil war instead of a Nordic one.
Interesting and quite possible. It's very clear that the order does not trust the Thalmor, nor the Thalmor them. I have heard a theory which states that the Psijic Order intends to use the Eye of Magnus to create a new tower. Unfortunately I'm very fussy on the details, but supposedly that's why they wanted it so bad. There is also the theory that the Thalmor no longer serve the divines but might be in service to Boethiah to accomplish their ultimate goal and a revelation like that to the Altmer people would have colossal cultural impact that could trigger a civil war. Altmer culture would experience some sort of mass red pilling. If they fail the towers goal, the Psijics could give the truth to the Altmer, and the whole house of cards comes crashing down.
@@ReformedSauron I hate the Boethiah theory that spun off of ES: Legends, because the whole secret Daedra cult thing has been done to death. The Thalmor are more interesting as traditional Aedra worshipers turned into something fanatical and dangerous. I just assume that the Eye of Magnus was a MacGuffin that even Bethesda writers don't even have a fixed idea of what it is for.
@@ReformedSauron Well that and the psijics also collect and lockup the most powerful and potentially dangerous magic relics to prevent them from falling into someone's hands and causing mayhem throughout Tamriel. The 'using the eye to create a new tower' theory is an interesting one though. I wouldn't mind seeing that.
That would be pretty awesome tbh. I think, since Skyrim has a pro and anti Imperial path, TES 6 could have one route uniting Hammerfell and Cyrodiil like proposed in the video, and another getting the Redguards to aid the Altmer dissident faction in overthrowing the Thalmor and then making a deal to keep the Imperials off each other's backs. Maybe not exactly like that, but the Redguards have to figure in there somewhere since TES 6 is supposed to take place in Hammerfell, and it's not like they've ever had a lot of love for the Empire either.
that would be good and might help steer away from trying to blame all altmer for the thalmors actions like those poor fucks have to live closer to them lol
If this (or something very similar) isn't the main story of ES6 I'm gonna be so bummed. You literally can't write a better and more satisfying story. Especially one to follow up the massive wait we've endured for it.
Worshiping Talos is the most important thing you can do to thwart the Thalmor's plans. It's why they are so zealous about rooting it out, they know the power it has to refute their goals
This is really one of my favourite lore topics in the whole of TES. Much appreciated Drewmora! I find the Thalmor a fascinating antagonist. In my own Skyrim file I roleplay a Thalmor aligned character. Mods are a great thing.
I'm doing the same right now. While I do appreciate the flavor given by existing mods, I've never been able to properly get into an RP mindset. I suppose all I can do is try once more.
Another fantastic video. While no where near as in-depth as you go here, I've been telling anyone of my friends that will listen that this has been the meta-plot of the Elder Scrolls games since I actually started paying attention to what's been happening in the lore (around the time Oblivion came out). It's great to see someone as passionate as you are about this series taking the time to make these videos.
While this is a great video; really well put together and covers a good bit of lore, I'm also fairly sure that the idea of the Thalmor wanting to "unmake" the world and destroy/deactivate the Towers isn't, in any way, canon. My understanding was that it was an erroneous piece of lore someone put into one of the wikis which was then circulated around the community and has since been debunked. Of course I could be completely wrong on that - it's been a while since I looked at that part of the lore... guess we'll need to wait for the next game to be completely certain. Either way, I definitely agree that the Thalmor, and Aldmeri Dominion as a whole, will play a big part in the next game. If the prevailing theory of it being set in parts of both Hammerfell and High Rock is right, we could be in for a great game with some really interesting lore.
this is probably the most fascinating aspect of the lore, but am i the only one who's fascinated by what Bethesda is plpanning to tell of what happened between Skyrim and ESVI. Between Oblivion and Skyrim we had A LOT happening so it stands to reason that we should expect a lot happening after Skyrim too.
Can't wait for bethesda to take this Lore of how every durenny tried to open the vault since they claimed the Adementine Tower and make a Skyrim Puzzle out of it and turn everything interesting in the lore into a empty lotr rippoff since noone at bethesda gave a s*it about elder scrolls lore ever since Morrowind, turning oblivion and skyrim into experiences more shallow than the garbage J K Rowling or Other Wannabe fantasy authors make
I felt like the Dragonborn becoming the emperor would be most likely outcome regardless of the civil war outcome, which would be a dragon break, after uniting Skyrim with the empire they would be strong enough under the Dovahkin, who has a better claim than the entire Mead dynasty having the same power wielded by the Septims granted through divine providence, they would recognize the new emperor and reclaim Talos worship preparing for war
I really want Bethesda to use the adamantine towers and the high elves for the ES6 main story. It's always sounded so cool and in my opinion, would be the best main quest for an elder scrolls game
Great video. My theory: the attack on the Empire was entirely a suicide mission. They let the Emperor get away to gather reinforcements. They sent in that army to sack the capital, but had no intention of keeping it. They used this attack to deactivate the White Gold Tower, which they had more than enough time to do. After that, they waited for the Empire to return and wipe them out. This completely distracted from their true goal to the destroy of the Towers. Destroy the White Gold Tower and withdraw would have raised suspicion and risked their sages from finding out. So they attack the capital, sack it, allow the Emperor to escape, deactivate the tower, then get wiped out. Now everyone sees this as a failed military operation, when in fact it was entirely successful and no one has any clue. Some soldiers and some humiliation are a small price to pay for total victory.
Great video Drewmora defiantly a force to not mess with. Putting your realm up there with some other Daedric gods I worship, Fudgemuppet and our lord Camel 🐪 😃 🙈. You were always up there anyway this video just confirms why plus other videos too 🎉🎉🎉legend keep at it. I also miss you at Fudgemuppet 😢
We love you Drew! Your content and grasp on the lore and understanding of the intricacies of the political and metaphysical machinations of the Aurbis are superb, but better yet, your scripts and clear skill in oration and storytelling is unparalleled. Good work!
It would be amazing if we got both provinces, I think it's correct in assuming that the tech they are using with Starfield is going to be used for TES 6 as well. Maybe that "leak" I heard of a while back talking about building your own sailing ship to use as a player home and way to navigate the bay will turn out to be true as well.
I couldn’t click on this notification fast enough. Can’t wait to listen to this after work tonight when I enter the world of mundus and hear the calming voice of our lore master Drewmora. Honestly Drew, I love your content. So we’ll done!
Would be hilarious if we had an ending in TESVI where the thalmor win, destroy the adamantine tower and the game immediately crashes, doubt it would be hard to pull off for Bethesda
I didn't know this channel was you at first 😭 I was like " huh this guy sounds a lot like Drew from Fudgemuppet" *looks at channel name* "oh it is Drew from Fudgemuppet!" 🤣
You know this is all fan fiction right? The "plot" you are refering to only exists in MK's writings. Another lore channel which uses fan fiction as its source pfft
Would the Direnni join the Thalmor or would they oppose them? Maybe part of the story, depending on our choices, will explore how half elves are viewed by the Direnni. They are their descendants and the oldest royal lines have Direnni blood.
I dread what Todd will turn TES VI lore into. If Emil continues as lead writer, and if Howard doesn't get his head out of his ass and hire actual writers, TES VI could end up dumbing down a once great series even more. I doubt his "writers" even know of the Nu-Mantia, even if we as fans have debated it for close to 15 years now.
I don't know...a main quest line that builds off of previous entries in the game's series instead of pulling something new out of a barrel of tropes? A story tied intrinsically to the deeper lore of the universe instead of retconning it into something more palatable to the internet rot-brained masses? An entire faction acting as the antagonist in a political power play instead of one singular bad guy to unga-bunga with a big bonk stick? Doesn't sound like the Bethesda I know.
I personally would not want Thalmor as the main antagonist in Elder Scrolls VI. It would feel anticlimactic to tear down a superpower in what, 1 ingame month. I also feel that if this is the true intention of the Thalmor, they seem to act very materialisticly, interested in annexations and waging of war against man instead of just sending their agents to the towers. I would hope for something having more to do with Yokuda's history. Good video nonetheless
The best way they could develop the Thalmor is to have them be a behind-the-scenes overarching antagonist, sort of like the Dark One. Maybe they don't want the main antagonist to succeed either, and sometimes subtly assist you on your quest while always watching. The Thalmor should really meet their defeat in the Summerset Isles game.
Why would you have to defeat them? You could gravely weaken them? I point to Oblivion as proof. The Daedra were the antagonists, and their plot was prevented but they are very much still a villain (usually. Not including a handful).
@@Count.Saruman with Uriel being a constant presence on Arena through Oblivion and Skyrim taking place after a significant time skip I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant as a soft reboot for the franchise, and games V onwards will be their own narrative continuity like games I-IV were. The Thalmor, introduced in Skyrim, could be developed throughout the next games until the "Oblivion" of this narrative arc has the final showdown with them.
TL;DR, I love this video and the lore it explains, however I really do not believe the Elder Scrolls 6 main plot will center around the Aldmeri Dominion. I found this really interesting since it dives pretty deep into the lore of what is actually going on in the Elder Scrolls games. It's very common that people look at the Elder Scrolls games and see the surface level lore, like oh the main quest needs me to stop Mehrunes Dagon, or oh the main quest needs me to stop Alduin, but most people easily miss the constant ongoing story that is secretly turning all the gears and moving all the pieces that allow the main events of the game to even properly occur the way they do, which is what this video is covering. I love that this video does a pretty impressive job covering all of that information and draws attention to it so well. With that said... Do I think that the Elder Scrolls 6 main story line will be centered around the resolution of the Aldmeri Dominion's plot to essentially control the towers and possibly bring all of mankind towards extinction? No. The Story of the Aldmeri Dominion and their constant orchestration of controlling all of the pillars of creation and eventually bringing about the extinction of mankind is always a constant ongoing plot that although is constantly influencing many of the events of the main plots in most of the games, it's not really meant to be a focal point of the plot. It's primarily designed to be a secret conspiracy against the entire world that is not supposed to be so obviously solved and understood. We as lore obsessed fans can obviously figure it out and understand it because we have the patience to look at all the pieces and put it together as a puzzle, but our understanding of that information is essentially our reward for being so studious and observant to the deeper and more complex parts of the game lore. The Aldmeri Plot is meant to be secretive and hidden and although I do believe that at some point in the future it will need to resolve, I really do not believe it will ever be resolved in a manner that is so obvious and blatant as being the main story line of an entire Elder Scrolls game, let alone it being the main plot of the sixth Elder scrolls game. My guess is that Elder Scrolls 6 will have some main plot that is otherworldly like many of the previous games have been before it, and the role of the Aldmeri Dominion will be as it has continued to be in the previous games, forwarding their machinations towards mankind's extinction hidden in the background as always, but once again moving the pieces a little more in their favor, as well as probably having their influence involved in the main plot as well, like always. I would also believe that there may even be a quest line or two that will also shine some more light as to the development of what they are working on. I just look at the Aldmeri Dominion plot as something that can't really be wrapped up in the Elder Scrolls 6, it is far too deep and influences way too many events across way too many game plots. It would literally be ending what may be one of the longest ongoing secret story arcs spanning across most of the games they've created, and it would literally be the ending of a major influence of how the writers develop the ongoing narrative of the Elder Scrolls. In other words, it would to a degree imply that Elder Scrolls 6 would be the last Elder Scrolls Game within this particular Story Arc, and thus the writers would practically have to write a whole new ongoing narrative, which I really do not believe, based on the Aldmeri Dominion Plot, is ready to be ended yet. I'm okay with being totally wrong about this. If Elder Scrolls 6 ends up being all about ending the Aldmeri Dominion, than so be it. I just think that people would have a very difficult time connecting all the pieces to how that plot came to be at this point within the ongoing Aldmeri conflict.
I can see it now: You, the fated hero, breaking out of a Thalmor Interrogation site amongst a prison riot with the help of a disillusioned agent. It's here he tells you of the Altmer plans for Iliac Bay, tells you where to meet his contacts, and throws you on board a ship of Thalmor-allied Breton Mercs already headed out to sea. But disaster hits. The Thalmor have caught up to your boat, and they blast it apart to make it look like a shipwreck. You are flung out of the ship and into the sea. You wake up in Hammerfell's southern shores, miles away from your goal, and with Thalmor agents nipping on your heels. Redguards sift through the wreckage, see you with Thalmor markings, and bring you in. This is where the game starts.
I had one of those dreams where you can see the future. I woke up and came back to this old video to say, you're not wrong. Stormcloaks win. Aldmeri dominion attacks, people set out to sea. Sea travel part and running into sea elves basically guarding the 1st pillar. Something that grants their king .... no spoilers. But anyways the tower gets destroyed and we go to somewhere above the dreamsleeve. A more ...anuic experience
I enjoyed your breakdown of the Thalmor and ever since I played the Dominion storyline in ESO I've been super interested in what the events that made the Thalmor into what they are today. Especially given how there was that racist undertone that Queen Ayrenn did not seem to have. Her goals were for the whole world to be under her wing as she felt she was the best to lead not because she saw other races as beneath her but because she had the typical narcissism you see in people in leadership roles. Granted ESO is seen as not cannon by some and as cannon by others but I feel that it is the best look we have into the beginnings of the Aldmeri Dominion in game. Ok now this is getting long so I'll cut my thoughts off here 😅
I’m also really interested in how the Thalmor evolved into what they’ve become in 4E 202 from their roots. However, Ayrenn was kinda inherently racist as she felt Altmer were the ones who needed to rule the “younger” races that she felt hadn’t had the time to learn how to rule an empire. But I see your point. She was very willing to bring in other races and let their ideas give her direction on her decisions and was open to new cultural influences being good for Summerset.
@@greenflame070 You make an excellent point. Honestly it's what had me cringing during parts of Cadwell's Silver. For someone who feels she has to be the one to look after the "younger" races she can be very naive and has a hard time facing reality. Her own brother betrayed her, her sister-in-law was trying to overthrow her and there seemed to be some hand waiving on her part. She had bad apples up and down her leadership and it takes the PC to bring it to light and even then in the case of her brother it took so much for her to drop the "hero" line and it didn't feel completely dropped. I really hope we get some in game lore dropped in TES 6 about the first and second Aldmeri Dominion. I need to know what happened.
Do you think the Thalmor hate Baan Dar like Talos? I can't imagine they aren't fans of a Khajiit bandit archiving godhood when the pure Altmer could not.
There are Altmer who've ascended, what are you talking about? Phynaster, Xarxes, Syrabane and Mannimarco all come to mind. Even Auri-El reascended to divinity. Talos is particularly despised because Tibby Septim dropped a genocidal god robot on Summerset Isle, and I imagine that after Rimmen, the Khajiit aren't too fond of him either.
@@Super50ldier Their claim is that Talos isn't a god. It's obviously wrong, but given that Tiber Septim was a warmongering conqueror who nuked Rimmen and Alinor with a time-wrecking god robot (that even Zurin thought was going too far), it's reasonable as to why they would want to squash worship of Tiber "Genghis Khan" Septim. Given that the Thalmor haven't commented on worship of Reman, who was similarly deified, it's likely to be a personal issue with Talos. Likewise, I doubt the Khajiit are too happy with Talos either.
@@Super50ldier I never mentioned Reman. Rimmen is a city in Elsewyr that was obliterated by Tiber Septim using the Numidium. Apparently the fallout was so bad that the Khajiit were still feeling it in the late Third Era.
@@Super50ldier The Khajiit have historically never held good ties with the Mannish races, from the land grabs of Reman's time to the rebellion to the massacre of Senchal to rebellions well into the Third Era. Historically, they've also been allies of the Altmer, the slavery was done by the Dunmer with seemingly no reprisal.
This whole plot line is so incrediblg interesting. I just don't believe Bethesda are going to do it, or if so do it any justice. Least we have AllinAll's take on it.
On the topic of towers, powers and secret knowledge a few things come to mind: Would the Heart-fortified Tribunal been able to open the Aperture and manipulate the Zero Stone? They seem to have had both divine abilities and the experience with Stone manipulation. Do Skeleton Key or Mehrunes' Razor have the ability to bypass the "security"? From the lore perspective both items have great inter dimensional powers. And how could other mystic societies, such as Moth Priests and Psijic Order, attempt to gain knowledge about the Zero Stone.
Really like the theory, but worry a bit that things like this are why the game has been taking so long. The devs are probably rewriting the story just to spite the theory makers like the game of thrones author admitted to doing.
You know TES VI isn't going to be NEARLY as good as you guys are hoping it'll be, right? Like, I genuinely think at this point they'll probably abandon the entire Thalmor/Towers plotline and do something completely out of left field that nobody cares about for TES VI.
I started watching Fudgemuppet back in 2014 ish and when you joined them their content definitely increased in quality. I had no idea yoy had your own channel other than noticing your absence there. Glad to see you here on your own ! Still love those guys but you are the best at these videos I’d say
So would The white gold tower, the perchance acorn. And the throat of the world all be deactivated already by the start of the Elder Scrolls 6 and we would learn about it through conversation or something? Cuz I can't see the game spanning all four of those territories.
Another comment, but your narration style and the brilliant combination of cinematic cuts, relevant to the topic, make your channel my favourite TES Lore channel. And I watch most of them. Your videos to me are the most engaging and interesting. Thanks Drew.
TES6 is gonna be half in high rock & half in hammerfell (the western portion of both lands) but 30 years after the events of TES5. They confirmed this. But they didn’t confirm what the main questline would be. Think they mentioned something about some cult that was rising and we have to stop em. But over all, yea the Thalmor and their pride will break down reality itself just to get their way. And that in itself is probably what all the daedric princes would love.
Dear Mr. Howard, if you have not been working on this plotline already, please do it now. We have waited long and will wait for more, but this needs to be the focus of VI.
I think I'd be clever if they made the elves ancestors the aureals, not auriel. The aureals have yellow skin, pointed ears, and similar weapons and armor. Not to mention, creating somthing like that's right up sheogoraths alley.
I want to see the Thalmor try to conquer the Shivering Isles... that would be pure madness. 😂 Anyways I would roleplay as a powerful Thalmor necromancer saving Tamiel from my own people. His name is OscarSchindler and he will free the people from tyranny, while kicking Nazi.. er... Thalmor @$$.
Omg I love love love this topic of Elder Scrolls lore sooooooo much. Edit: I seriously cannot get past the stunning visual clips in this video either. Just the use of synced visual reference to your storytelling along with clearly numerous ways and games you got them from is incredible. Absolutely transfixing. Edit edit: and by the end of this video I'm blown away even more. Drewmora is a true master artist of storytelling.
As always, Mr. Drew, I watch your videos at least twice through as the lore you provide is somewhat (no, a LOT) over my head. However, I enjoy your telling so very much and have come to understand more than I ever have while just "playing" through ES5. I thank you for opening a whole new world for me as I, once again, play my own Dragonborn. I do see things differently now and every time you provide a "telling" for us, I enjoy ES5 just that much more!!! THANK YOU, Kind Sir!!!
@Drewmora Have you considered the option where The Stormcloaks win their civil war; Instead of The Empire winning and cowardly stepping aside to leave Hammerfell to it’s own fate. Skyrim attains it’s independence from The Empire and makes an Alliance with Hammerfell. Hell, The Empire could “bow out” of Skyrim and encourage the Alliance between Hammerfell and Skyrim. By politically staying Neutral, it could open them up to their own Spy Network to assist Hammerfell in secret. Thus the Nords who drove the Snow Elves into extinction/transformation into the Falmer. Become once again embroiled in a war against a second Mer War.
I have LONG thought this since Skyrim came out, I find it a truly TERIFYING prospect of the Thalmor. This a very real cult like threat. THANK YOU for covering this with even more evidence
"Digital culture" is the level that Elder Scrolls has gotten into. You get so immersed as a player that you are indeed living in a life shared among virtual men and women. Amazing voice, your dragon shouts must stir the skies.
I can’t believe I’ve been studying the Elder Scrolls since Skyrim came out, but only now 12 1/2 years later do I understand the eight towers!!!! I’m more excited for TES VI THEN EVER!!! Fantastic Video Drew!!!
Your theory "should" be correct and the plot for the next game. But every time we think Bethesda is going to follow the lore of their own games to build upon a plot, they just come up with some "new" cookie cutter turd and try to sell it to us gold plated.
I think song sword ability was something the Dwemmer had as a form of tonal manipulation. And that's one of the reasons why the Altmur cannot take out the Red guard or conquer Hammerfell.
Before I watch, I just want to say it doesn't matter what the Thalmor plan is, I doubt they're gonna be able to withstand the Stormcloak Rebellion.... Everyone knows the Stormcloaks are very capable of defeating the Empire. With the events of Skyrim and with the Civil War going on, I think the Stormcloaks would win, especially with the help of the dragonborn (Who is Most Likely Stronger Than Vivec) With all this in mind, the threat isn't the Empire that is just a small step in a far larger war that will happen, and that war is with the Thalmor... I think that the Thalmor when realized that the empire lost the war they'll send forces to Skyrim to quell the rebellion, but they will FAIL... The moment they fail they will send an even larger force to start a New War that will spread across all of time Tamriel. Here's why I think the Thalmor will lose, The Thalmor won't only be facing against Nords and Stormcloaks, They'll also be fighting against a lot of the Argonian forces as well same with alot of the d Dark Elf, Redguard, Wood Elves, Orcs they will also join the fold as well..... The Thalmor will be forced to fight almost every major race Tamriel has to offer. Before the White Gold Concordat... They didn't have that type of problem (Because the war was split into 3 sides) I believe even the Khajiit will betray the Aldmeri Dominion and join just because they don't want to be subjugated anymore.... Plus, people have to realize that the Redguards were one of the Main Races that were able to withstand the forces of the Aldmeri Dominion and push back the Thalmor in the war. They actually talk about this in the events of Skyrim. When the Redguards (In Whiterun) tell you to go "Look For Redguard Women" (Saadia) They will talk about how she betrayed The Covenant... He goes on and says that the Redguards that were fighting the elves were "alive and well" and gaining strength... By the time the Civil War ends, the Redguards will be at full strength... Who do you think they'll want revenge on? That's right the Thalmor, They'll join the Stormcloaks most likely and fight. Here's another thing, I believe that the Companions (Companion Warriors Of Whiterun) will be forced to get involved or at least as mercenaries... Because of the stories of Ysgramor. I think when they get Ysgramor's Axe the high elves will start searching for and try to take it from them and they companions will retaliate (Joining The War) I guess we will never know until the next Elder Scrolls game... We will get to see what happened with the event of Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Not just that but we will be able to see how strong the Redguards are in their current standing... If they have the capable strength, they will most likely join up with the Stormcloaks and take the fight to the Thalmor without a doubt. Races, I know for a fact that would have problems the Thalmor are.... Argonians, Nords, Red guards, Dak Elves, Wood Elves, Orcs... I think that's it. The Khajiit are a mystery because of the events of ESO They were subjected by the elves yes but they were made into Royal Guards... So not treated like slaves by the Aldmeri Dominion but still treated as lesser... So more wood elves than the Khajiit but still. So it would be almost every major race against the high elves aka The Thalmor or more known as the Aldmeri Dominion. I can't wait till Elder Scrolls VI: Hammerfell... It's gonna be so fuckin good. Edit: The Lost Power the Thalmor lost if I understand that right. Could they potentially use the Eye Of Magnus or even his staff to regain that ability and that power. If that's the case, they would also try to pick a fight with the Pijiic Order and if that happens, the order will also get involved in the war and helped the Stormcloaks as well🤣😂 The Thalmor Are Fucked
ooooohhh no wonder the Thalmor take the issue of Talos so uncannily personal! It's because Tiber Septim embarrassed them super bad and they are getting revenge on him for their insecurities! I bet they wouldn't give a crap who worships who otherwise. Wow that really changes how things look in hindsight
The idea for the plot of TES6 is super cool. What if, after we touch the zero stone, we get to meet Auri-El himself? And have a conversation about the events of Skyrim/Dawnguard. I'd love to hear what big dad's thoughts are about naughty Alduweiner. That'd be a great one up to the last installment, I think. We've never come face to face with an Aedra before.
Quick question: How can the dragonborn become the faceless emperor if he is a servant of Hermaeus Mora in the dragonborn dlc? (I'm probably looking too much into it but its just a thought).
I agree with the setting being Hammerfell, I disagree with the Thalmor being a majour threat if The Last Dragon born became emperor however. They literally have dragons following their command one of them being undead (Ohdaviing and Durnehviir). If TLD became emperor and marched upon the elves with their army and dragons + their shouts they'd easily turn the tide. So either the majour threat is not the Thalmor, or they make TLD not become emperor due to disinterest or whatever
Just thinking... What if the deactivation of the Towers results not in the restoration of elven divinity but in the exact opposite? It would be a nice twist of turns if the Thalmor would be successfull just to uncover that they have undone all hope to achieve thier goals at all..🤣
If Bethesda doesn’t give the option to join the Thalmor on ES6 I’ll be seriously disappointed. This war against the Empire has proven to be more than a grey area, and Imperial/Nord bootlickers are painting us as villains since the beginning of time. We need more videos showing the gamers how the Thalmor really are, why we act like this, our real goals and not a bunch of hatred fanfics misleading our culture. Enough of this! All hail the Thalmor and the Dominion.
I think it's crazy on how people differ in opinions on the Skyrim civil war... I'm on the side where I can see how the civil war is justified... I truly believe that the empire does not care about skyrim, care about hammerfell or high rock. They're only in it for themselves. When there's the second Great war, and s*** hits the fan... All those other provinces are going to be abandoned anyway to protect the Ruby throne. Just like they abandon Hammerfell in their time of need and Morrowind in there's. I think the nords are better off protecting themselves and fighting under the high King (whoever that may be)
I will never praise any Daedric Prince, but I'll always conjure a Drewmora to win a lore argument.
Three fold blessings of the loving Reclamations upon you, dear brother.
May their ways guide you through the trials of Mundus.
I would praise/honor Hircine and Azura.
I would respect Molag Bal, Hermaeus Mora, Meridia, Sanguine, Malocath, Sheogorath, Clavicus Vile, and Sithis.
I would oppose Vaermina, Boethiah, Mephala, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon, Peryite, Jyggalag, and Nocturnal.
Praise be to Azura! Keeper of the stars and moons, mother of the Kahijit, and the beauty you do not scorn.
@@morrigankasa570 Nah molag bal is an unloved insecure shite. Mehrunes and peryite are way more interesting especially peryite although hes not really powerfull compared to others hes shrouded in mystery even more then nocturnal
@@artje90 Mehrunes Dagon is a Total Jerk. Look at his questline in Skyrim, even if you obey him and kill the guy Mehrunes still attacks you with 2 Dremora. While Molag Bal he respects the deal you made with him and won't attack you.
As for Peryite, no pestilence for me thanks.
As for Nocturnal, Boethiah, Mephala, Vaermina they are horrible with their betrayal/sneaky/thievery crap!
With the Daedra I honor or at least respect, they are far more straightforward and honest compared to the ones I oppose/defy. Even Clavicus Vile and Hermaeus Mora, though they do trickery type stuff. They are more of a "be careful what you wish for" type trickery while compared to the other ones I mentioned are inherently dishonest/tricky.
If you are wise and careful with what you wish for, you can beat Clavicus Vile and Hermaeus Mora in the deal.
I have a minor request for future videos:
When you have a quote on screen, can you please add a note on what the source is? Sometimes I'd like to read further, and that would be so helpful!
Anyways, great work, keep making ace content!!!
Will do! Thanks
@@DrewmoraYT even just in the description would be awesome
@@Michael-bn1oi On screen is better, having to get out of fullscreen to access the description mid-video is annoying, especially on mobile
I think I would die laughing if the whole Thalmor and Stormcloak/Empire Civil War conflict was just ignored in the main quest of VI, and it turned out the whole thing was resolved by finding a letter in Elder Scrolls VI that just read "Oh yeah, you know all that Thalmor stuff? Well when the Civil War in Skyrim finished, they discovered that the Thalmor had already collapsed due to political infighting, so they weren't really a problem."
Don't give Todd any ideas!
that would legitimately kill all the love i have left for bethesda
Somebody would make a mod that explores this in much greater detail. Mods will always fix failures due to time constraints
@@Alpine1996 There is actually some continuity between morrowind and oblivion, even if it's not main quest stuff. We get told that the Septim dynasty is in danger, and the book "Dragon Breaks re-examined" even tells us directly of their end, and in oblivion that is exactly what happens.
For TES 6 I kind of expect that the conflict with the thalmor will be already resolved (wich maybe is not ideal), but still carry a significant amount of weight.
Yeh can defo seeing the conflict being resolved prior to the new game, for better or worse.
Also feel that the thalmor might win but end up pulling a dwemer type move and messing up there whole plan themselves and getting a bit of divine intervention to mess them up.
Will be a few lore books like "the fall of the thalmor" or "the thalmor disaster" littered around for you to find and maybe even a side quest but I highly doubt it will be a main factor in the next game.
Always thought the Thalmor would be better served making a bunch of rings to convince the other races they are on their side. Then BAM! They make a ring to rule all the other rings.
Good video!
Damn! That sounds like a really good plan.
But who would tell them how to make those rings? A comically suspicious filthy mortal manly man perhaps...?
@@Pandemia616 nah, it has to be a shape shifter in the guise of an elf, who are oft considered the most fair of all beings.
@@Pandemia616 ugh 😫
@@gandalf_thegrey Dew it.
Drew, I’m sure you know this but these are excellent videos. Your narration style and performance is just out of this world. You truly have an amazing oratorical gift along with great lore knowledge.
Cheers, Adam. I really appreciate that. Glad you enjoy the content :)
Yeah he's got a fantastic vocabulary too. I've got a pretty good vocabulary, but he's used a few words I've never even heard before like "castigating." Such a good word, much more elegant than "reprimanding"
This is actually one of the best lore videos on The Elder Scrolls that I've seen, and it alone proves how rich in storytelling this series is. The book about the Direnni alone - I'm stunned. And I would absolutely love to have this the main quest in TES VI!
I wiped out the Direnni clan as the Kingdom of Daggerfall in Elder Kings 2, and only learned how significant they were in the actual lore afterwards.
I still think Paarthunax is the heart of the Snow Tower and that Delphine in her hatred inadvertently aids the Thalmor by having him killed.
Do you have anything to back this one up? Not disagreeing, just curious.. interesting regardless.
@@batthepunny7277 we Dragons are immortal in this universe and he came as the story of the tower began, then dies as it ends so to me it relates that he’s integral to the story of the tower. There’s nothing solid to give it away but I feel like it fits.
We’re never explicitly told the stone of the Snow Tower but an immortal being bound to it seems like a start.
May would fit more in a FromSoftware game but eh
@@batthepunny7277 only a dragonborn could deactivate (and therefore destroy) that stone. I don't imagine deactivating any stone to any tower is meant to be easy: a failsafe measure. Anybody else but a dragonborn and it would just reappear later on. Supposedly there's a cave on the mountain but we don't see one. Other than the Paarthurnax and High Hrothgar there's nothing particularly notable on the mountain, so assuming they haven't kept something under wraps in the lore, the most likely stone would be Paarthurnax as I don't think they would make a castle a tower stone. Delphine probably isn't aware of this if it's the case, it would be an unfortunate circumstance.
He's awesome, which is a shame, because my headcanon logic is to stifle my sentiment and kill Paarthurnax because I know, by his own admission, that he fights every day to keep his evil back, and with eternal life eventually he's going to eventually break his concentration after long enough and become just another tyrant again.
If they make killing paarthurnax canon I'm leaving. I'm day one buying -100 copies and sending BGS a bill for $8000
@@NPazable if killing the Emperor is canon, so is killing Party Snax
Drew, I’m not exaggerating when I say you are seriously the greatest video game content creator on this platform. Your departure from fudgemuppet was a major loss for that channel but it’s incredible to see the great work you’re putting out here. Since leaving FM you have really spread your wings; every video you put out is mindblowingly good. Your passion for the settings you cover is unmatched, and your writing and delivery are consistently so good. Cheers to you man, I wish great success to you.
Thank you so much, man. Made my day
Why did @Drewmora leave Fudgemuppet? I’ve been out of the loop for a while and am just now finding out
@@The_Young_Lion
Watch their last Podcast on Fudgemuppet, you'll find the answers in the video and comment section.
The Winterhold questline is the prequel of Elder Scrolls VI main story. Quaranir and the Psijic Order will use the next hero in the Order's ideological and literally battle with the Thalmor. This will be the Altmer civil war instead of a Nordic one.
Interesting and quite possible. It's very clear that the order does not trust the Thalmor, nor the Thalmor them. I have heard a theory which states that the Psijic Order intends to use the Eye of Magnus to create a new tower. Unfortunately I'm very fussy on the details, but supposedly that's why they wanted it so bad.
There is also the theory that the Thalmor no longer serve the divines but might be in service to Boethiah to accomplish their ultimate goal and a revelation like that to the Altmer people would have colossal cultural impact that could trigger a civil war. Altmer culture would experience some sort of mass red pilling. If they fail the towers goal, the Psijics could give the truth to the Altmer, and the whole house of cards comes crashing down.
@@ReformedSauron I hate the Boethiah theory that spun off of ES: Legends, because the whole secret Daedra cult thing has been done to death. The Thalmor are more interesting as traditional Aedra worshipers turned into something fanatical and dangerous.
I just assume that the Eye of Magnus was a MacGuffin that even Bethesda writers don't even have a fixed idea of what it is for.
@@ReformedSauron Well that and the psijics also collect and lockup the most powerful and potentially dangerous magic relics to prevent them from falling into someone's hands and causing mayhem throughout Tamriel. The 'using the eye to create a new tower' theory is an interesting one though. I wouldn't mind seeing that.
That would be pretty awesome tbh. I think, since Skyrim has a pro and anti Imperial path, TES 6 could have one route uniting Hammerfell and Cyrodiil like proposed in the video, and another getting the Redguards to aid the Altmer dissident faction in overthrowing the Thalmor and then making a deal to keep the Imperials off each other's backs. Maybe not exactly like that, but the Redguards have to figure in there somewhere since TES 6 is supposed to take place in Hammerfell, and it's not like they've ever had a lot of love for the Empire either.
that would be good and might help steer away from trying to blame all altmer for the thalmors actions like those poor fucks have to live closer to them lol
If this (or something very similar) isn't the main story of ES6 I'm gonna be so bummed. You literally can't write a better and more satisfying story. Especially one to follow up the massive wait we've endured for it.
Worshiping Talos is the most important thing you can do to thwart the Thalmor's plans. It's why they are so zealous about rooting it out, they know the power it has to refute their goals
I've been saying this for years to try and educate fake fans who think the depth of skyrim is "Empire good, stormcloaks racist".
Extremely phenomenal job!!! Thx!!!!
I love all these types of videos, they're made so someone can follow the story and not just get lost in the names and places.
This is really one of my favourite lore topics in the whole of TES. Much appreciated Drewmora! I find the Thalmor a fascinating antagonist. In my own Skyrim file I roleplay a Thalmor aligned character. Mods are a great thing.
I'm doing the same right now. While I do appreciate the flavor given by existing mods, I've never been able to properly get into an RP mindset. I suppose all I can do is try once more.
@@D--FENS There are some lovely Thalmor mods, and one of them gives snarky dialogue to sass the "man-mer" Delphine and her stupid plan 😂
Another fantastic video. While no where near as in-depth as you go here, I've been telling anyone of my friends that will listen that this has been the meta-plot of the Elder Scrolls games since I actually started paying attention to what's been happening in the lore (around the time Oblivion came out). It's great to see someone as passionate as you are about this series taking the time to make these videos.
While this is a great video; really well put together and covers a good bit of lore, I'm also fairly sure that the idea of the Thalmor wanting to "unmake" the world and destroy/deactivate the Towers isn't, in any way, canon. My understanding was that it was an erroneous piece of lore someone put into one of the wikis which was then circulated around the community and has since been debunked. Of course I could be completely wrong on that - it's been a while since I looked at that part of the lore... guess we'll need to wait for the next game to be completely certain.
Either way, I definitely agree that the Thalmor, and Aldmeri Dominion as a whole, will play a big part in the next game. If the prevailing theory of it being set in parts of both Hammerfell and High Rock is right, we could be in for a great game with some really interesting lore.
this is probably the most fascinating aspect of the lore, but am i the only one who's fascinated by what Bethesda is plpanning to tell of what happened between Skyrim and ESVI. Between Oblivion and Skyrim we had A LOT happening so it stands to reason that we should expect a lot happening after Skyrim too.
Can't wait for bethesda to take this Lore of how every durenny tried to open the vault since they claimed the Adementine Tower and make a Skyrim Puzzle out of it and turn everything interesting in the lore into a empty lotr rippoff since noone at bethesda gave a s*it about elder scrolls lore ever since Morrowind, turning oblivion and skyrim into experiences more shallow than the garbage J K Rowling or Other Wannabe fantasy authors make
I no longer trust Bethesda to make a competent TES game
I felt like the Dragonborn becoming the emperor would be most likely outcome regardless of the civil war outcome, which would be a dragon break, after uniting Skyrim with the empire they would be strong enough under the Dovahkin, who has a better claim than the entire Mead dynasty having the same power wielded by the Septims granted through divine providence, they would recognize the new emperor and reclaim Talos worship preparing for war
I really want Bethesda to use the adamantine towers and the high elves for the ES6 main story. It's always sounded so cool and in my opinion, would be the best main quest for an elder scrolls game
Great video.
My theory: the attack on the Empire was entirely a suicide mission. They let the Emperor get away to gather reinforcements. They sent in that army to sack the capital, but had no intention of keeping it. They used this attack to deactivate the White Gold Tower, which they had more than enough time to do. After that, they waited for the Empire to return and wipe them out. This completely distracted from their true goal to the destroy of the Towers. Destroy the White Gold Tower and withdraw would have raised suspicion and risked their sages from finding out. So they attack the capital, sack it, allow the Emperor to escape, deactivate the tower, then get wiped out. Now everyone sees this as a failed military operation, when in fact it was entirely successful and no one has any clue. Some soldiers and some humiliation are a small price to pay for total victory.
Great video Drewmora defiantly a force to not mess with. Putting your realm up there with some other Daedric gods I worship, Fudgemuppet and our lord Camel 🐪 😃 🙈. You were always up there anyway this video just confirms why plus other videos too 🎉🎉🎉legend keep at it. I also miss you at Fudgemuppet 😢
We love you Drew! Your content and grasp on the lore and understanding of the intricacies of the political and metaphysical machinations of the Aurbis are superb, but better yet, your scripts and clear skill in oration and storytelling is unparalleled. Good work!
I think this is spot on. I do hope we get hammerfell and high rock in full not just the illiac bay.
Yes! Sprinkle in some areas of The Reach & Orsinium
I believe their tech for large planets and areas in Starfield will help them create a much bigger map in the next Elder scrolls.
It would be amazing if we got both provinces, I think it's correct in assuming that the tech they are using with Starfield is going to be used for TES 6 as well.
Maybe that "leak" I heard of a while back talking about building your own sailing ship to use as a player home and way to navigate the bay will turn out to be true as well.
@@OneTwoMark the issue isn't how big they can make the world feel. It's about how big they can make the world whilst still having it feel alive.
So, basically Daggerfall? 🤣@@LandStrider23
I couldn’t click on this notification fast enough. Can’t wait to listen to this after work tonight when I enter the world of mundus and hear the calming voice of our lore master Drewmora. Honestly Drew, I love your content. So we’ll done!
Would be hilarious if we had an ending in TESVI where the thalmor win, destroy the adamantine tower and the game immediately crashes, doubt it would be hard to pull off for Bethesda
I didn't know this channel was you at first 😭
I was like " huh this guy sounds a lot like Drew from Fudgemuppet" *looks at channel name* "oh it is Drew from Fudgemuppet!" 🤣
You know this is all fan fiction right?
The "plot" you are refering to only exists in MK's writings.
Another lore channel which uses fan fiction as its source pfft
Amazing plot layout, Drew! If you're correct it would make an absolutely epic game!
the fact this dude likes all of his comments shows how much he loves what he does
I just love this guys narration. He's got a very gentle voice.
Would the Direnni join the Thalmor or would they oppose them? Maybe part of the story, depending on our choices, will explore how half elves are viewed by the Direnni. They are their descendants and the oldest royal lines have Direnni blood.
I dread what Todd will turn TES VI lore into. If Emil continues as lead writer, and if Howard doesn't get his head out of his ass and hire actual writers, TES VI could end up dumbing down a once great series even more.
I doubt his "writers" even know of the Nu-Mantia, even if we as fans have debated it for close to 15 years now.
I don't know...a main quest line that builds off of previous entries in the game's series instead of pulling something new out of a barrel of tropes?
A story tied intrinsically to the deeper lore of the universe instead of retconning it into something more palatable to the internet rot-brained masses?
An entire faction acting as the antagonist in a political power play instead of one singular bad guy to unga-bunga with a big bonk stick?
Doesn't sound like the Bethesda I know.
I hold absolutely no hope nor expectation for ES VI. Unless… unless they hire you or precious few people like you to write for them and to guide them
Yeah, after Starfield, i have little hope remaining for TES6
The amount of nerdiness in this video is insurmountable and i like it
I personally would not want Thalmor as the main antagonist in Elder Scrolls VI. It would feel anticlimactic to tear down a superpower in what, 1 ingame month. I also feel that if this is the true intention of the Thalmor, they seem to act very materialisticly, interested in annexations and waging of war against man instead of just sending their agents to the towers. I would hope for something having more to do with Yokuda's history. Good video nonetheless
The best way they could develop the Thalmor is to have them be a behind-the-scenes overarching antagonist, sort of like the Dark One. Maybe they don't want the main antagonist to succeed either, and sometimes subtly assist you on your quest while always watching.
The Thalmor should really meet their defeat in the Summerset Isles game.
They can be the main villain without you beating them meaning the death of there order
Why would you have to defeat them? You could gravely weaken them?
I point to Oblivion as proof. The Daedra were the antagonists, and their plot was prevented but they are very much still a villain (usually. Not including a handful).
@@Count.Saruman with Uriel being a constant presence on Arena through Oblivion and Skyrim taking place after a significant time skip I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant as a soft reboot for the franchise, and games V onwards will be their own narrative continuity like games I-IV were. The Thalmor, introduced in Skyrim, could be developed throughout the next games until the "Oblivion" of this narrative arc has the final showdown with them.
That would be a very compelling storyline. If we live to see it... damn you Lorkhan
TL;DR, I love this video and the lore it explains, however I really do not believe the Elder Scrolls 6 main plot will center around the Aldmeri Dominion.
I found this really interesting since it dives pretty deep into the lore of what is actually going on in the Elder Scrolls games. It's very common that people look at the Elder Scrolls games and see the surface level lore, like oh the main quest needs me to stop Mehrunes Dagon, or oh the main quest needs me to stop Alduin, but most people easily miss the constant ongoing story that is secretly turning all the gears and moving all the pieces that allow the main events of the game to even properly occur the way they do, which is what this video is covering. I love that this video does a pretty impressive job covering all of that information and draws attention to it so well.
With that said... Do I think that the Elder Scrolls 6 main story line will be centered around the resolution of the Aldmeri Dominion's plot to essentially control the towers and possibly bring all of mankind towards extinction?
No.
The Story of the Aldmeri Dominion and their constant orchestration of controlling all of the pillars of creation and eventually bringing about the extinction of mankind is always a constant ongoing plot that although is constantly influencing many of the events of the main plots in most of the games, it's not really meant to be a focal point of the plot. It's primarily designed to be a secret conspiracy against the entire world that is not supposed to be so obviously solved and understood. We as lore obsessed fans can obviously figure it out and understand it because we have the patience to look at all the pieces and put it together as a puzzle, but our understanding of that information is essentially our reward for being so studious and observant to the deeper and more complex parts of the game lore.
The Aldmeri Plot is meant to be secretive and hidden and although I do believe that at some point in the future it will need to resolve, I really do not believe it will ever be resolved in a manner that is so obvious and blatant as being the main story line of an entire Elder Scrolls game, let alone it being the main plot of the sixth Elder scrolls game.
My guess is that Elder Scrolls 6 will have some main plot that is otherworldly like many of the previous games have been before it, and the role of the Aldmeri Dominion will be as it has continued to be in the previous games, forwarding their machinations towards mankind's extinction hidden in the background as always, but once again moving the pieces a little more in their favor, as well as probably having their influence involved in the main plot as well, like always. I would also believe that there may even be a quest line or two that will also shine some more light as to the development of what they are working on.
I just look at the Aldmeri Dominion plot as something that can't really be wrapped up in the Elder Scrolls 6, it is far too deep and influences way too many events across way too many game plots. It would literally be ending what may be one of the longest ongoing secret story arcs spanning across most of the games they've created, and it would literally be the ending of a major influence of how the writers develop the ongoing narrative of the Elder Scrolls. In other words, it would to a degree imply that Elder Scrolls 6 would be the last Elder Scrolls Game within this particular Story Arc, and thus the writers would practically have to write a whole new ongoing narrative, which I really do not believe, based on the Aldmeri Dominion Plot, is ready to be ended yet.
I'm okay with being totally wrong about this. If Elder Scrolls 6 ends up being all about ending the Aldmeri Dominion, than so be it. I just think that people would have a very difficult time connecting all the pieces to how that plot came to be at this point within the ongoing Aldmeri conflict.
I can see it now:
You, the fated hero, breaking out of a Thalmor Interrogation site amongst a prison riot with the help of a disillusioned agent. It's here he tells you of the Altmer plans for Iliac Bay, tells you where to meet his contacts, and throws you on board a ship of Thalmor-allied Breton Mercs already headed out to sea.
But disaster hits. The Thalmor have caught up to your boat, and they blast it apart to make it look like a shipwreck. You are flung out of the ship and into the sea.
You wake up in Hammerfell's southern shores, miles away from your goal, and with Thalmor agents nipping on your heels. Redguards sift through the wreckage, see you with Thalmor markings, and bring you in.
This is where the game starts.
The White Gold Concordant was weakness of the Empire.
HAIL TALOS AND THE STORMCLOAKS! HAIL HAMMERFELL! HAIL THE ARGONIONS!
New Drew video? Instawatched.
Bruh. I dunno if it's me but that swirling background while reading a block of text fucking sucks. Maybe it's my dyslexia but damn.
I had one of those dreams where you can see the future. I woke up and came back to this old video to say, you're not wrong. Stormcloaks win. Aldmeri dominion attacks, people set out to sea. Sea travel part and running into sea elves basically guarding the 1st pillar. Something that grants their king .... no spoilers.
But anyways the tower gets destroyed and we go to somewhere above the dreamsleeve. A more ...anuic experience
Will the Dragonborn become the new Emperor in the lore and revitalize the Empire ahead of the events of 6?
No one could say
I enjoyed your breakdown of the Thalmor and ever since I played the Dominion storyline in ESO I've been super interested in what the events that made the Thalmor into what they are today. Especially given how there was that racist undertone that Queen Ayrenn did not seem to have. Her goals were for the whole world to be under her wing as she felt she was the best to lead not because she saw other races as beneath her but because she had the typical narcissism you see in people in leadership roles. Granted ESO is seen as not cannon by some and as cannon by others but I feel that it is the best look we have into the beginnings of the Aldmeri Dominion in game. Ok now this is getting long so I'll cut my thoughts off here 😅
I’m also really interested in how the Thalmor evolved into what they’ve become in 4E 202 from their roots. However, Ayrenn was kinda inherently racist as she felt Altmer were the ones who needed to rule the “younger” races that she felt hadn’t had the time to learn how to rule an empire. But I see your point. She was very willing to bring in other races and let their ideas give her direction on her decisions and was open to new cultural influences being good for Summerset.
@@greenflame070 You make an excellent point. Honestly it's what had me cringing during parts of Cadwell's Silver. For someone who feels she has to be the one to look after the "younger" races she can be very naive and has a hard time facing reality. Her own brother betrayed her, her sister-in-law was trying to overthrow her and there seemed to be some hand waiving on her part. She had bad apples up and down her leadership and it takes the PC to bring it to light and even then in the case of her brother it took so much for her to drop the "hero" line and it didn't feel completely dropped. I really hope we get some in game lore dropped in TES 6 about the first and second Aldmeri Dominion. I need to know what happened.
Do you think the Thalmor hate Baan Dar like Talos? I can't imagine they aren't fans of a Khajiit bandit archiving godhood when the pure Altmer could not.
Possibly, but they EXTRA hate Talos because of the whole using Numidium to destroy them thing so it's personal for them.
There are Altmer who've ascended, what are you talking about? Phynaster, Xarxes, Syrabane and Mannimarco all come to mind. Even Auri-El reascended to divinity. Talos is particularly despised because Tibby Septim dropped a genocidal god robot on Summerset Isle, and I imagine that after Rimmen, the Khajiit aren't too fond of him either.
@@Super50ldier Their claim is that Talos isn't a god. It's obviously wrong, but given that Tiber Septim was a warmongering conqueror who nuked Rimmen and Alinor with a time-wrecking god robot (that even Zurin thought was going too far), it's reasonable as to why they would want to squash worship of Tiber "Genghis Khan" Septim. Given that the Thalmor haven't commented on worship of Reman, who was similarly deified, it's likely to be a personal issue with Talos. Likewise, I doubt the Khajiit are too happy with Talos either.
@@Super50ldier I never mentioned Reman. Rimmen is a city in Elsewyr that was obliterated by Tiber Septim using the Numidium. Apparently the fallout was so bad that the Khajiit were still feeling it in the late Third Era.
@@Super50ldier The Khajiit have historically never held good ties with the Mannish races, from the land grabs of Reman's time to the rebellion to the massacre of Senchal to rebellions well into the Third Era. Historically, they've also been allies of the Altmer, the slavery was done by the Dunmer with seemingly no reprisal.
This whole plot line is so incrediblg interesting. I just don't believe Bethesda are going to do it, or if so do it any justice.
Least we have AllinAll's take on it.
An almost 30 minute video to go,
"Ya'll know the bad guys in Skyrim? They gonna be bad guys in the next game too!"
Wow Drew. Much original.
We’ll id say alduin was the bad guy
@@BigDaddy0Kev Kinda sorta. More of a distraction to the big political picture that was taking place all around.
On the topic of towers, powers and secret knowledge a few things come to mind:
Would the Heart-fortified Tribunal been able to open the Aperture and manipulate the Zero Stone? They seem to have had both divine abilities and the experience with Stone manipulation.
Do Skeleton Key or Mehrunes' Razor have the ability to bypass the "security"? From the lore perspective both items have great inter dimensional powers.
And how could other mystic societies, such as Moth Priests and Psijic Order, attempt to gain knowledge about the Zero Stone.
Really like the theory, but worry a bit that things like this are why the game has been taking so long. The devs are probably rewriting the story just to spite the theory makers like the game of thrones author admitted to doing.
An almost 30 minute video to go,
"Ya'll know the bad guys in Skyrim? They gonna be bad guys in the next game too!"
Wow Drew. Much original.
Parthurnax is the stone for snow throat, Delphine is a thalmor agent
You know TES VI isn't going to be NEARLY as good as you guys are hoping it'll be, right?
Like, I genuinely think at this point they'll probably abandon the entire Thalmor/Towers plotline and do something completely out of left field that nobody cares about for TES VI.
Yeah it's probably gonna be about some bad dudes in the desert or something at this point lol
woohoo one of my favorite theories, I love your writing Drew! keep it up
I started watching Fudgemuppet back in 2014 ish and when you joined them their content definitely increased in quality. I had no idea yoy had your own channel other than noticing your absence there. Glad to see you here on your own !
Still love those guys but you are the best at these videos I’d say
An almost 30 minute video to go,
"Ya'll know the bad guys in Skyrim? They gonna be bad guys in the next game too!"
Wow Drew. Much original.
So would The white gold tower, the perchance acorn. And the throat of the world all be deactivated already by the start of the Elder Scrolls 6 and we would learn about it through conversation or something? Cuz I can't see the game spanning all four of those territories.
Another comment, but your narration style and the brilliant combination of cinematic cuts, relevant to the topic, make your channel my favourite TES Lore channel. And I watch most of them. Your videos to me are the most engaging and interesting. Thanks Drew.
The Elder Scrolls VI: Tower Defense, Hammer Time
That sounds like a Max0r description😂
Maybe in a decade when he fully fused with his editing software
I can only hope this plot contains a return of Jeremy Soule.
TES6 is gonna be half in high rock & half in hammerfell (the western portion of both lands) but 30 years after the events of TES5. They confirmed this. But they didn’t confirm what the main questline would be. Think they mentioned something about some cult that was rising and we have to stop em. But over all, yea the Thalmor and their pride will break down reality itself just to get their way. And that in itself is probably what all the daedric princes would love.
I rather we weren't a a hero or prothacy, and we are a random person with incredible luck
I'm pretty sure that I wiper out all the Thalmor in Skyrim. Not just the men, but the women and the children, too.
Hello Pelinal
Dear Mr. Howard, if you have not been working on this plotline already, please do it now. We have waited long and will wait for more, but this needs to be the focus of VI.
Imagine the upset when TESVI comes out and it's Skyrim 2: Return of the Dragonborn
You get knocked out at the end of the main quest and wake up on a cart to a strange Nord saying "hey you, you're finally awake"
I really *really* do not want another chosen one storyline for an elder scrolls game.
I think I'd be clever if they made the elves ancestors the aureals, not auriel. The aureals have yellow skin, pointed ears, and similar weapons and armor. Not to mention, creating somthing like that's right up sheogoraths alley.
I want to see the Thalmor try to conquer the Shivering Isles... that would be pure madness. 😂 Anyways I would roleplay as a powerful Thalmor necromancer saving Tamiel from my own people. His name is OscarSchindler and he will free the people from tyranny, while kicking Nazi.. er... Thalmor @$$.
Omg I love love love this topic of Elder Scrolls lore sooooooo much.
Edit: I seriously cannot get past the stunning visual clips in this video either. Just the use of synced visual reference to your storytelling along with clearly numerous ways and games you got them from is incredible. Absolutely transfixing.
Edit edit: and by the end of this video I'm blown away even more. Drewmora is a true master artist of storytelling.
I will definitely support you when I can afford it! 💕
Ah finally the best part of the fudgemuppet channel centralized all in one location, hail drewmora
I'm a simple man: I see new Drewmora, I smash that like button
I'm a simple man: I see a Zeep Zoop comment, I smash that like button
I would cry tears of joy if the last dragon born became the emperor.
So good. Glad you are bringing TES content back.
As always, Mr. Drew, I watch your videos at least twice through as the lore you provide is somewhat (no, a LOT) over my head. However, I enjoy your telling so very much and have come to understand more than I ever have while just "playing" through ES5. I thank you for opening a whole new world for me as I, once again, play my own Dragonborn. I do see things differently now and every time you provide a "telling" for us, I enjoy ES5 just that much more!!! THANK YOU, Kind Sir!!!
Clearly the way to save the world will be to swallow a soul gem.
I’m sold! Shut up and take my money Drew!
@Drewmora Have you considered the option where The Stormcloaks win their civil war; Instead of The Empire winning and cowardly stepping aside to leave Hammerfell to it’s own fate. Skyrim attains it’s independence from The Empire and makes an Alliance with Hammerfell. Hell, The Empire could “bow out” of Skyrim and encourage the Alliance between Hammerfell and Skyrim. By politically staying Neutral, it could open them up to their own Spy Network to assist Hammerfell in secret.
Thus the Nords who drove the Snow Elves into extinction/transformation into the Falmer. Become once again embroiled in a war against a second Mer War.
Bethesda, give us this game, I want to play it!
This is so good! Keep it coming Drew!
EVERY and i mean EVERY time i click on your videos, the likes are at 666... what sorcery do you work for your channel, drew? Mysticism?
and still the wheel keeps turning
I have LONG thought this since Skyrim came out, I find it a truly TERIFYING prospect of the Thalmor. This a very real cult like threat. THANK YOU for covering this with even more evidence
Im guessing youre religious then. I get the thalmor to some degree.
@@brialapoint2608 ha, not really at all no. Just like stories and dark stuff, nothing quite tickles like a doomsday cult lol
"Digital culture" is the level that Elder Scrolls has gotten into. You get so immersed as a player that you are indeed living in a life shared among virtual men and women. Amazing voice, your dragon shouts must stir the skies.
I can’t believe I’ve been studying the Elder Scrolls since Skyrim came out, but only now 12 1/2 years later do I understand the eight towers!!!! I’m more excited for TES VI THEN EVER!!! Fantastic Video Drew!!!
Your theory "should" be correct and the plot for the next game. But every time we think Bethesda is going to follow the lore of their own games to build upon a plot, they just come up with some "new" cookie cutter turd and try to sell it to us gold plated.
I think song sword ability was something the Dwemmer had as a form of tonal manipulation. And that's one of the reasons why the Altmur cannot take out the Red guard or conquer Hammerfell.
Before I watch, I just want to say it doesn't matter what the Thalmor plan is, I doubt they're gonna be able to withstand the Stormcloak Rebellion....
Everyone knows the Stormcloaks are very capable of defeating the Empire.
With the events of Skyrim and with the Civil War going on, I think the Stormcloaks would win, especially with the help of the dragonborn (Who is Most Likely Stronger Than Vivec)
With all this in mind, the threat isn't the Empire that is just a small step in a far larger war that will happen, and that war is with the Thalmor... I think that the Thalmor when realized that the empire lost the war they'll send forces to Skyrim to quell the rebellion, but they will FAIL... The moment they fail they will send an even larger force to start a New War that will spread across all of time Tamriel.
Here's why I think the Thalmor will lose, The Thalmor won't only be facing against Nords and Stormcloaks, They'll also be fighting against a lot of the Argonian forces as well same with alot of the d
Dark Elf, Redguard, Wood Elves, Orcs they will also join the fold as well..... The Thalmor will be forced to fight almost every major race Tamriel has to offer. Before the White Gold Concordat... They didn't have that type of problem (Because the war was split into 3 sides)
I believe even the Khajiit will betray the Aldmeri Dominion and join just because they don't want to be subjugated anymore.... Plus, people have to realize that the Redguards were one of the Main Races that were able to withstand the forces of the Aldmeri Dominion and push back the Thalmor in the war.
They actually talk about this in the events of Skyrim.
When the Redguards (In Whiterun) tell you to go "Look For Redguard Women" (Saadia) They will talk about how she betrayed The Covenant... He goes on and says that the Redguards that were fighting the elves were "alive and well" and gaining strength... By the time the Civil War ends, the Redguards will be at full strength... Who do you think they'll want revenge on? That's right the Thalmor, They'll join the Stormcloaks most likely and fight.
Here's another thing, I believe that the Companions (Companion Warriors Of Whiterun) will be forced to get involved or at least as mercenaries... Because of the stories of Ysgramor.
I think when they get Ysgramor's Axe the high elves will start searching for and try to take it from them and they companions will retaliate (Joining The War)
I guess we will never know until the next Elder Scrolls game... We will get to see what happened with the event of Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Not just that but we will be able to see how strong the Redguards are in their current standing... If they have the capable strength, they will most likely join up with the Stormcloaks and take the fight to the Thalmor without a doubt.
Races, I know for a fact that would have problems the Thalmor are....
Argonians, Nords, Red guards, Dak Elves, Wood Elves, Orcs... I think that's it.
The Khajiit are a mystery because of the events of ESO They were subjected by the elves yes but they were made into Royal Guards... So not treated like slaves by the Aldmeri Dominion but still treated as lesser... So more wood elves than the Khajiit but still.
So it would be almost every major race against the high elves aka The Thalmor or more known as the Aldmeri Dominion.
I can't wait till Elder Scrolls VI: Hammerfell... It's gonna be so fuckin good.
Edit: The Lost Power the Thalmor lost if I understand that right.
Could they potentially use the Eye Of Magnus or even his staff to regain that ability and that power.
If that's the case, they would also try to pick a fight with the Pijiic Order and if that happens, the order will also get involved in the war and helped the Stormcloaks as well🤣😂 The Thalmor Are Fucked
ooooohhh no wonder the Thalmor take the issue of Talos so uncannily personal! It's because Tiber Septim embarrassed them super bad and they are getting revenge on him for their insecurities! I bet they wouldn't give a crap who worships who otherwise. Wow that really changes how things look in hindsight
The idea for the plot of TES6 is super cool. What if, after we touch the zero stone, we get to meet Auri-El himself? And have a conversation about the events of Skyrim/Dawnguard. I'd love to hear what big dad's thoughts are about naughty Alduweiner.
That'd be a great one up to the last installment, I think. We've never come face to face with an Aedra before.
Quick question: How can the dragonborn become the faceless emperor if he is a servant of Hermaeus Mora in the dragonborn dlc? (I'm probably looking too much into it but its just a thought).
I agree with the setting being Hammerfell, I disagree with the Thalmor being a majour threat if The Last Dragon born became emperor however. They literally have dragons following their command one of them being undead (Ohdaviing and Durnehviir). If TLD became emperor and marched upon the elves with their army and dragons + their shouts they'd easily turn the tide. So either the majour threat is not the Thalmor, or they make TLD not become emperor due to disinterest or whatever
Another absolute banger, keep up the great work m8
Just thinking... What if the deactivation of the Towers results not in the restoration of elven divinity but in the exact opposite? It would be a nice twist of turns if the Thalmor would be successfull just to uncover that they have undone all hope to achieve thier goals at all..🤣
Man I do love me some good lore
If Bethesda doesn’t give the option to join the Thalmor on ES6 I’ll be seriously disappointed. This war against the Empire has proven to be more than a grey area, and Imperial/Nord bootlickers are painting us as villains since the beginning of time. We need more videos showing the gamers how the Thalmor really are, why we act like this, our real goals and not a bunch of hatred fanfics misleading our culture. Enough of this! All hail the Thalmor and the Dominion.
I think it's crazy on how people differ in opinions on the Skyrim civil war... I'm on the side where I can see how the civil war is justified... I truly believe that the empire does not care about skyrim, care about hammerfell or high rock. They're only in it for themselves.
When there's the second Great war, and s*** hits the fan... All those other provinces are going to be abandoned anyway to protect the Ruby throne. Just like they abandon Hammerfell in their time of need and Morrowind in there's. I think the nords are better off protecting themselves and fighting under the high King (whoever that may be)