All Things Druid With Taladril! Classic WoW Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2019
- Taladril goes over what Druid players can expect in Classic WoW, how they perform in raids, and what the excel at.
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Taladril's amazing and one of the main reasons i rolled a druid. Great video/discussion!
I'm a new viewer and i actually got to this channel randomly when RUclips decided it is a good idea to let me listen to druid stuff.
I can't tell you how happy I am to have run into this video though.
My friends and I have been talking about different classes and people were really put off by druids in Vanilla.
This is going to make them chill a bit and understand that it's going to be perfectly okay to play a druid.
I subbed. great content.
Wow what a great vid. Ive watched almost all of the druids content on youtube, but THAT was something else
Wooo! I'm so excited for this
My guild tanked with a druid in Vanilla and guilds use to talk trash about us even though we progressed faster than almost all the other guilds and we cleared Naxx. Even did Nef with a feral main tank
how was it when the tank was stuck in cat form during the neff druid call out
N1 lies
everyone raided naxx in vanilla
My top 2 classes are Druid and rogue. And was torn between what to play for classic, but I’m going Druid. And I love watching videos like this
love the content man keep it up
Even though I'm going to be a warrior, felt good to watch this and remember my druid days!
really enjoyed the video!
Hey, your content is superb with outstanding delivery. This really helps.
With 1 week to go, it's down to Druid, SPriest or Sham for me. Being able to prowl and TF is incredibly convenient and a fun game style.
But rezing is the one limitation that gives me doubt about committing. Oddly , it's hard to find content that elaborates into the pros and cons of this one deficiency in detail during situations. Perspective from an experienced druid could be really useful for the few potential prowling druids out there.
Taladril is a legend.
Might get some backlash for this but hey, I'm just providing my feedback and opinion. Idk if I'd say this is a deep dive into druids, sorry. You only talked about one spec, and you just touched the surface about the talents in it. It was more like a conversation about the spec you want to play. I'm not saying it's a bad video, and the spec sure seems awesome; but this is one thing druid, not all things druid.
My brother is speccing feral for our guild. I am going resto shaman for the first 3 months
another thing to add is while I know your going horde...for alliance...seal of wisdom will help feral with their 1.0 attack speed and gain mana even while in cat form...or moonkins hitting the boss with spells
Hybrid classes are my favorite, esp shaman druid and paladin. Feels good to help support group in dungeons/raids and be able to play multiple roles. It even feels good to buff random players with mark of the wild... which is such a useful buff while playing or leveling.
I mainly played prot warr and enhancement shaman.... shaman is still my favorite class, but also had a feral druid I would slowly level for fun, and twink at brackets like 29 39 49 ect. Druid is great fun in pvp, true hybrid jack of all trades can play any role..... stealth to steal flag or kill enemy fc, powershift to break roots and snares, got heals and hots to help heal when needed and bear form to tank while holding the flag. You can fit any role needed in pve for dungeons too.... emergency tank or heals when needed.... and occasionally CC like sleep for beasts/dragonkin or root melee mobs.
Hybrids got a bad rap in vanilla... they get some much needed buffs and class talent design development in layer xpacs like BC or WOTLK..... and by then, Hybrid classes were a blast. Enhance shaman was my main but still loved feral druid for its ability to fill any role, tank in dungeons (or dps or heal if u want) and still amazing for pvp in bgs. Plus new class spells like cyclone were just awesome powerful CC. Battle red was clutch. Travel forms make it much easier to explore, quest, or for gathering professions. Druid is a class everyone should have and play mostly for the experience..... and ignore the haters, druids were designed to be a support role. They won't be top of the pack for dps but still can do good dps if played right... and while not the best tank or healer are still great option for either role when needed. Buffs in bc/wotlk really helped with gear itemization and scaling too.
Good luck out there and have fun! Druids are great fun with cool class lore and abilities. Play how you want to play.
Heart of the wild
NICE
well you convinced me
Wanted to thank Teldrassil for mentioning DO NOT go enchanting while leveling. I had my heart set on this for the SHotM trinket but it makes more sense to power level it later. So, herb/skinning it is.
Literally skilled 265 enchanting in 5 hours, including full ulda run to get training and then quick brd run for the black forge, which you still realistically need to be like lvl 55 to reach. So ye, deffo the better route.
Whatcha planning on playing? Alli or horde
I played druid from sept. 2005-2010. Shaman the first year though. Made a shaman for classic, leveled to 59 and two thirds. Missed druid too much, so i made one. The shaman can wait. Might level the last 30% some day though hihi.
Hey do you know if you can use Iron Grenade in Moonkin Form?
Hey Classic Azeroth, thx for bringing a great interview. There's just one thing that bugs me ever so slightly - near then end after Taladril literally says "don't get bogged down in one roll" you reply "you have me confused as whether to tank or heal". I know it's probably just a figure of speech that you used in that instant, but I was just bugged by the fact that he literally just sayd you should/could do both, and that you'll get healing gear along the way. Or what did you mean exactly? I guess there's only one feral pr. raid anyway, so were you wondering whether to be full-time resto druids or a hybrid? BTW. thx enjoyed the interview!
Heart of wild build allows you to both offtank as bear and heal decently in caster form - you just carry healing gear and switch to it when necessary. It scales most off intellect - ❤ of wild is the actual best spec that makes druid - druid.
This spec is nice for raid healing also?
He missed a very important key point at 23:00 which is timing power shifting with the energy tick. So instead of 60 you will get 80 energy which will allow you to do 2 shreds instead of one. Meaning your basic rotation is 2 shreds > power shift > 2 shreds > power shift > shred > bite. This is not considering any crits you might get with shreds which will allow you to use bite much faster. One more thing is the powershifting macro, currently its bugged and sometimes it doesn't register leader of the pack. The only way around it is manual shapeshifting.
Did you say “missed conceptions” ??
That’s something completely different..
Druid give tanks Thorn aswell and also buffs the party and raid mark of the wild, these buffs are huge
That moment when you check out the damage'o meter and Thorns is one of your main sources of damage (as a bear tank)
As much as I love druids, lets not use this as an argument as to why druids are good. These are crutches that are an argument for ONE druid out of 40 players. ANd for speedrun guilds (the very best), you can pre-buff the raid beforehand with it.
It would help so much to have everything on screen while you two were speaking. (Completely noob here)
Hi, im also rolling a druid however ive got a kick for balance PvP.
My spec i was hoping to run was 30/0/21 for natures swiftness and moonfury/moonglow.
What i want to know is if moonfury only increases base damage just like gift of nature?
I think in patch 1.8.0 they added 10% off spellpower to the talent. Anyway, i dont really think moonfury is really great, since the base damage of ur most used abilities (wrath,moonfire) is already kinda low. And spellpower for druids is kinda hard to find early in the game. I prefer having feral charge for pvp, i seriously cannot live without it. But maybe late game if u got some good sp gear, it'll probly be more worth it. I will personally use HoTW spec for a long time, it gets the job done for almost anything! :)
U could do a 19/11/21 to get feral charge, 3 points in vengeance. But hotw spec really boosts ur damage in bear and cat. you can shred clothies early game
@@vedsj6091 Yea, i will definitely be using hotw for a while in the initial stages.
But wanted to switch when i had some gear for it.
I like the hotw spec and i very much understand the usefulness of feral charge in pvp but natures grace and moonglow are kinda my shlick, ive always loved the high mobility control cannon playstyle more.
They also function waaaay better for healing in raids.
Ive experimented on private servers but they seem misleading.
I think i may opt to put those 5 points elsewhere though.
@@jaredgarden2455 You'll figure it out man. Moonglow is nice indeed and natures grace. But yea. balance functions alot better with gear
that hotw spec is what really makes me wanna roll druid instead of warrior.I can heal in raids and tank in raids! most importantly i can farm gold AND world pvp too! god sent spec lol
And you get to carry 3 sets of gear!
@@nabudis123 much much better than respeccing each time xD. Just put them in the bank lol
But you'll never do any of it at an elite level, except maybe world pvp. Druid is the class of compromise. In the way classic is balanced, you're generally better off just specializing.
Not to say druid isn't viable, I think both feral and resto are viable. Feral is great as the last offtank so you don't have to gear another warrior and resto provides a lot of mana efficiency.
Heart of the wild spec still works?
They talked about that in the video for a while, did u watch?
@@Pekins they talked about it on private servers and vanilla, I think Michael wanted to know if it still works/is viable in classic now that it is released. The answer is yes, the information from this video is still correct
Very informative video, though I'm not sold on the points about Balance druids, and I feel like people hype them up a whole lot based wholly on wish-thinking. Yes, they do offer spell crit to their group, but I'm almost 100% certain that if you add numbers up, just having another warlock in that group would yield a bigger damage gain than the original four people + a moonkin would. Especially if a fight drags on, since that warlock won't suffer the druid's mana issues. Yes, the druid has Innervate, but why would he Innervate himself - if there are others who do more damage, or perhaps a healer who could use it instead? It's not the worst choice you can make, but it's not one that I see the reason to make either, aside from catering to one person's very specific preferences.
Druids kind of have the single most flexible build in the game as is, just by virtue of Heart of the Wild/Nature's Swiftness. Most characters won't get that much variety out of their class. I personally am content with just considering that the definitive druid, and leaving Balance and Feral DPS to rot on the "could but shouldn't" heap, even as someone who's fully set on playing druid in Classic. At least as far as raiding goes. I'll just heal PvE and live the hybrid life in WPvP/BGs, rather than inconvenience my raid with experimental stuff. Healing is a role that druid raid gear at least enables them to fill adequately, while still offering the druidic token utility.
Assuming you're in a good guild and you're downing the bosses fast a druid won't have to worry about running out of Mana.
Druids are never there to Just "top the meters" but bring alot utility to others. . Extra crit buff for others, being able to jump in with extra heals when needed, having a battleress, give others extra mana with innervate etc. They are such a good support class that u shouldnt only look at their dps contribution at all. A druid that knows his class and specc is a cool addition to any group or raid.
I like the guild theory behind having loot available for all possible that can use said armor...
For balance druids...the only leather spell damage gear I have found drops in AQ
itemization.info/?search=has%3Aspelldmg+subtype%3Aleather+usable%3Adruid+phase%3A6#has=spelldmg:subtype=leather:usable=druid
and this gear is only available in Phase 5
I love druids too and please keep in mind that spellcasters need 16% spell hit to reach their personal cap...
Just something to consider when bringing them along to raid if they want to compete with other caster classes that will want that spell hit caster gear(cloth) from the earlier raid dungeons
So I had 400 days played as feral because he even rolled one hmm.. 🤔
I have a question about how to deal with guild members who say heart of the wild/NS build is a joke build and won't be allowed for raids?. My Guild Leader is adamant that it is only for 5 man dungeons
change guild
@@Matkub92 this
switch guild then
Skarm covered this and more months ago. Check out his content if you have any questions about druids or warriors.
Tnx Dad for your help !!! Bazexa here ;p
I am die hard horde but I want to play paladin... :(
I MISS VANILLA
Druids CAN
Say it loud and say it proud!
This is classic guide, yet the dude started playing in Cata, same as I did, not a vanilla knowlege, druid was massivley different by that time. Get Kargoz or someone who played in original wow, and have first hand experience of how vanilla druids behaved. I mained Pally yet still find new thing about class even tho radied all in vanilla. Just a suggestion on next quests, you wanna talk about Wotlk, you get dude that did all raid and difficulties as that class in wotlk no in pandaria m8
Too bad, I was pretty excited to be a raid healer based on HoTs. Casting mainly healing touche as a druid seems kind of sad
Keilink Depending on your heals role, and when you use them , you can end up casting a lot of HoTs as a Druid, more so if you’re improved regrowth or Moonglow spec (They’re not touched on so much here).
A resto druid assigned to main tanks spends a lot of time keeping consistent Hots on the main tanks.
During enduring AoE attacks (Geddon, Ony, Rag) both HoTs are great for buffering your raid’s dwindling health.
@@ConorJT3 That's a bit reassuring xD
I heard that the improved regrowth spec asks for a really high level of gear to work.
Keilink That is true, regrowth is mana costly. Improved regrowth is usually the third of three specs a resto druid will climb through to raid heal, as their gear improves. High intellect and spirit, +15% mana back during casting helps keep your mana in check. Downranking regrowth helps as well, as it’s still quite useful at medium ranks.
why get ranked 8 in pvp? whats that get you?
I dont agree that dps is selfish if all we had was tanks and heals we would never kill bosses
1, no. Tanks can do damage just fine.
2, even if tanks did 0 damage, that still doesnt change the fact that DPS are selfish and only cares about jerking off to the damagemeters.
feral cat druids dps caps out at around 900-1100 dps while rogues/mages/warriors will end up at around 1200-1500
@gardakan936 lol no 1600 dps are what warlocks pull in naxx. Druids are not able to pull 1600 dps. MCP is only a slight dps increase for 100-200 depending on boss uptime.
@gardakan936 Why dont you get your head out of your ass and look at logs before you start spreading misinformation and setting your already miserable ass up for disappointment.
Shamrock he did not say anything warlocks
Feral DPS, in the hands of an expert, does less dps than most classes spamming the same abilities over and over again with no consumables - just not sure why someone would bother. Healing and tanking on a druid though - sweet.
yeah, assuming same skill/gear level, youll never really compete with the usual dps classes. have to make yourself useful in other ways as pointed out here
@gardakan936 i know all about mcp. i pointed out that with equal skill/gear levels they just cant compete which holds true even with pummeler. just check warcraftlogs (or whatever the site is) to see how they fare. mcp may be low ilvl but its basically feral druid bis for all of vanilla.
@gardakan936 ok. but noone gives a shit about the best class when not geared or half geared.
@gardakan936 my point still stands. in best gear and equal skill a druid is no match for a proper dps
@gardakan936 lmao private servers. ok mate now show logs in actual classic so i can laugh
Wtf is naxxararmas? Why do you keep saying it like that
Watched 6 minutes 19 seconds to find out he is alliance...….
who cares?
Min maxing in classic WOW is pointless. Raids are ridiculously easy. My guild 20 manned MC with a feral tank, no wipes, breezed right through it.
"The feral pieces, nobody wants them either. So you absorb those as well."
Yes.
The Feral pieces.
Those many many feral pieces.
Which is off-set leather with melee stats on it. Not a soul would possibly want those.
Because the game isn't filled with Rogues who are almost exclusively greedy shits.
And it's definitely not better for the raid to improve the Rogue's DPS, because your amazing Cat Form you never get to raid with, that's more important to gear for....?
better have a feral tank with partial loot competition with rogues, than another warrior tank with full loot competition with the rest of your warriors. Also tanks are more of a bottleneck than dps
They were talking about bears not cats
@@jackwile4576 Try argueing that in a raid, where those leather pieces with melee stats drop.
Rogue DPS: I could be x% better at the one thing I'm good at.
Druid Healer, who's already getting all the leather healing pieces but wants to get gear for his offspec that's beyond suboptimal for raiding: But I could be x% better at the stuff I'm horrible at and never get to do!
Good point. Yeah no, everyone.. I know the 1 druid we brought already got all the leather stuff with INT on it, and tried to get a necklace, ring and a trinket along the way. But we should definitely give him the obvious upgrade for the rogue DPS who's top 3 on Recount, because we might let him tank if we can't convince one of the 8 fury warriors to put on a shield for up to 2 encounters in an entire raid, maybe..
Most bear raid BiS rogues don't want. Stat priority is a lot different between bears and rogues
@@Lockles- Well the argument isnt for healers to get offspec gear tho. Its for mainspec. And its a valid argument, the warrior gear is under more pressure than leather.
Heart of the Wild spec sucks, lol
Maybe youre bad
you meme ele shaman then you say numbers doesnt matter. if they doesnt matter dont meme shamans
Too bad that Taladril entire experience is based on a game that is not Classic. Private servers raiding is a different game. leveling, quests, dungeons, PvP are all fine. But raiding is easy mode on pservers, and because of values that are much, Much lower than Classic and Vanilla, Druids are able to tank. In Classic, Druid tanks will be very rare, will never be Main Tanks, and only few of them will be Off Tanks. Out of 100 tanks on a realm, not even 10 will be Druids.
Dungeon values for bosses and mobs are lower in Classic then the Pservers and raids weren't tested yet so you really have no idea what you are talking about
People have been saying that for years, but Classic streamers have proven this to be incorrect. In fact, the reality is the exact opposite. Also, what info do you possess about Classic raids? They have never been tested...You are speaking from your imagination. The classic beta never reached lvl 60.
Every piece of content tested up to level 40 in the beta has been proven to be consistently easier than pservers. As for raids we will see
Taladril has extensive vanilla experience as well
reco bozzor i like how you don’t even reply 😂😂😂