Hi all prospective druids - quick note in addition to this vid. First of all, I love your guys enthusiasm for the class - you may just be the most dedicated group of players. I have had a number of comments regarding missing info and so on and ill straight up say I neglected to include power shifting and that's entirely my bad, and I feel it's too late to redact that at this point. In addition to this, many people have noted prominent druid players as a resource, such as Shedothecat, Skarm and Ebbn, and I completely agree, those guys absolutely know more about druids than me, the thing is what i'm trying to provide in my videos is an overview as a whole. A kind of video that may help you pick a class. Their content is far more in depth as 2 of them are channels specifically aimed at druids - those guys are perfect for info on how to learn and play the class. I didn't exactly praise the druid too much in the video and maybe I should have emphasized better that they can compete - but you have to put a lot LOT more effort in than you would on other classes to do so - far more than the average player will be willing or have time to do. It's not for everyone at the end of the day. Other than that, hope you enjoyed.
TL;DR Being a Drood in classic vanilla was harsh. You weren't allowed to be a cat, roll a rogue. You weren't allow to tank as a bear, they couldn't, roll a warrior. You could barely heal, but they didn't want you to roll as a priest, SOMEONE needed to Mark of the Wild everyone... You could barely Balance, and it was mostly because people just wanted to see a BoomChicken firing laser-beams in the background of their boss kill videos to make it LOOK like someone had mad Boomkins work.... sigh. I on the otherhand made my life so much harder... It was worth it all. This is my story...... IN Vanilla Classic WoW, I got my first 60 as a enhancement shaman. I ended up not liking it at all. Never got into groups. Didn't feel like I was helping. Then I thought about my first MMO, Guild Wars, and how I played the most retarded but amazingly successful heal-bot Monk and how I was known around the server, and was always invited to groups. I remembered how much I liked healing, and supporting people. COOL! I should make a healer..... technically I have a shammy here, I COULD heal on it, but I want somethin.... DRUIDS CAN TURN INTO KITTIES!!!!??? O_o And so Wildshape (I'm a BIG D&D nerd), the Tauren Drood was born. I was D-E-D-I-C-A-T-E-D to learning healing on a Druid, and more importantly on WoW as a whole, so I leveled up as Resto. The whole way. From the time of my first Talent point, through blood, sweat, tears, more blood (mostly my own), more tears (seriously this was retarded I held back many), more blood (my own again), more blood (FINALLY something else bled...). My rotation 1v1 against a mob was, Cat form, press every attack button, scream in real life as hard as I could to give my kitty more energy, get the mob to half health.... come out of cat form, WARSTOMP, desperately heal my dying body, then go BACK into cat form and finish it off, hopefully. Yes...... now you see why so much of the blood and tears were mine xD I actually healed places like Wailing Caverns... PEOPLE.. LET ME heal... I then proceeded to heal every dungeon and mini-raid. I actually got noticed healing UBRS pretty well. This was right around the time Molten Core was going strong. People weren't sure that Druid's heals did anything..... Even in Molten Core they were like, shaman = multi-healer, priest = god-healer, druids = special-ed healer. But I came into Molten Core with a shitty zerg-guild and we were IN THIS. I had like all THREE pieces of leather healing gear in the game coming in, and it took like all the 10 gold I had ever had to buy the damned things too T,T Well as shitty zerg-guilds go, this was about as shitty and zergy as you could get. 40 people pulled from the masses of the guild roster, just trying to throw them at the bosses. Didn't go too well..... BUT I did get noticed enough to be asked to join the #2 raiding guild on the server right after Blackrock Lair started. They only had like 4 real druid mains.... and in the first few 2 weeks we made it straight to Chromaggus, who then ate our guild for the next like 2 months or so lol, BUT a good number of times I was the ONLY druid in the raid >
I love druid-people. They are the golden eggs of the community. I still think the Tauren and the Nightelves should quit the horde/alliance and start their own faction: The Green Pact.
I mean moonglade is about as close to it your gonna get, the cenarnion circle is tauren and night elves but It does suck you can't play as a druid directly part of the faction.
You have no idea how mad this made me in vanilla playing as a Druid and Lore-master (protectors of nature) in Lord of the Rings Online! Constantly being given quests to mass murder and mutilate innocent creatures > : \
WARNING: If you use the Moonglade teleport, do not learn new spells directly from Moonglade druid trainer - spell costs are reduced by reputation level, so unless you are already honored by Cenarion Circle, you will waste much money (20% I think) that you could have saved if you had learned from druid trainer in a faction you are honored by (capital cities).
@@YourMomMyBed8000 teleport to moonglade, fly to ruth village, go to Cenarion circle in Darnassus, hearthstone back to where you were playing. Takes about 3 minutes I believe
@@Self-replicating_whatnot I started WoW in wotlk ah the golden days and was hyped to experience feral druids in Vanilla, but meh I dont want to play an inferior class tbh.
@@unknownentity8256 I play druid because i decided to hedge my bets and do the most i can on a single character(considering the time it takes to level in Classic). I can still raid as healer, and do dungeons and stuff as feral or balance. And there's always a possibility that Blizzard decides to monkey with the class balance and buff unpopular specs.
@@KyleOber I wonder if modern Blizard devs have the skill to do the classic-esque content and not fuck it up with exessive balancing and homogenization. That said, would be nice to have a go at all the content that was planned for Classic but cut due to lack of time.
Same. Glad I stuck with balance through vanilla because I'm doing great DPS in raids now in retail. Started classic as balance for the memories. Am now lvl 29...and I suck so bad it's painful. I can barely take on a lone enemy of the same lvl...while watching some hunter tear through mobs 5 lvls above him. I can't wait until endgame when I get to be NOT picked for raids. If it wasn't for healing os I would stay in darnassus and punch rabbits.
John White druid isnt just a class with 4 specs; u can Play it the way U want! Want to be mix from feral and balance? Go for it! Want to be mix from Balance and resto? Go for it! (Like mine spec, a little bit more offensive than moonglow!) Druid is just a nice class, especially for pvp; train hard and u can rape 2-3 players at same time! Underrated class! :)
@@johnwhite4070 Druid is probably the highest skill cap class especially in pvp, its not easy to get perfect and make use of every piece of utility but when you do its so satisfying
@@WillEmmo Well yeah after all it is a master of only 1. And whilst the mage is really beneficial he is only limited with Dmg while the druid can do a little bit of everything. If the group needs heals he will heal if the group needs a tank he will tank and so on that initial premise. And ofc druid destroy mages in 1v1
@@crowwelldodger3938 actually the original saying is simply "jack of all trades", and it was extended to a master of none. the rest is later. read up the history of how this came about. that last part hasnt always been there.
Druid was perfect for me, i found that druid for me was the best class if your not into hc raiding, my time was spent doing fun stuff around Azeroth, soloing lower dungeons for gold, gathering Herbs for my pots to sell, and helping people out etc etc, ocassionally being asked if i wanted to join a raid to fill a healer spot as they did not have enough, playing like this i actually ended up with the full Cenarion set before tbc was released, as anytime i did raid and the gear dropped, i never had to roll against anyone because the 2 or 3 guilds to which i was known as being a good substitute healer, there druid healers allready had most if not all of the set or better. So Little tip for druid players, make friends with raiding guilds and offer your services as a substitute healer, the more guilds that have you on their list the more gear you will get :P dkp never came into it either because it was always gear that the other duirds already had and you got it for free if no one wanted it.
I was more casual when I played, but I did "try hard" for my party when we would clear dungeons. Druids make THE BEST 5th man in a solid party. A smart, hybrid specced druid will make every engagement go smooth. Tank pulls one too many, switch bear and hold the extra. Healer can't keep up, well here comes some HOTs to hold everything together. Mob gets away from the tank and goes for a caster, you can take up tanking that mob, or just pull it back to the tank so he can get threat on it without changing his rotation. Boss has minions that hang around, druid can stealth in, party pulls the boss, then druid switches to bear and grabs the minions, which works great for tight situations with mini-bosses and mobs in nearby halls. Plus so much more, I mostly just focused on tanking there, but all the extra DPS you can add, at any range, too, will always help things go smoothly. I ended up on a private server a few years back and got myself to be co-leader of a guild. I took some guild members out to a dungeon and they had NO clue how to work as a team. It turns out that many of the players on the server never played on official, and the lower population ment they did everything solo. So, I take out groups of my guild members to VC and go over party tactics. I use my druid for the whole thing. I show each person how to play their role by using what I had as a druid to be an example. Since I was playing as a druid for this, when we would move ahead in the dungeon and things got bad, I could bail out the party with the ideas I talked about above. Druids are great as "party support" in a way that no other class could ever be.
Druid players are not many, but they're proud and vocal. This video is going to bother many of them, especialy those who watch videos by the likes of Skarm, Shedo, Ebbnflow etc... It was nice to watch for me :)
Thanks, thats a good point. Thing is those guys put a hell of a lot of effort in to make druid good, more than your average player will. I'm trying to provide an overview, those guys really help you learn the min max
I remember there was a time I was young, and struggling to progress in WoW :Vanilla and I met a Boomkin Druid named Carabos/Karabos. He was GEAR'd from a top guild and for no reason at all he liked to Rp with me and my friends. Anytime I had level 60's ganking me he'd come by and yell, " BOOOMIE BOOmbkin! no hurting my friends!" and he'd crit shot into bear form and go ape shit. I never seen him lose in a fair fight. Gained my respect :;) hope your doing well somewhere out there Mr.Carabos, those memories where great! (RIP: theVenturCO)
Really nice and honest guide, I'll be playing druid in classic, as I did originally, knowing that I'm a hybrid class with challenges is okay, because I love the class. Cheers!
Thanks! I think it's tough to evaluate the druid without overselling some of the thiings they can do since you do need to do that extra mile. If you are prepared to do that though you can really stand out
Playing moonkin and raiding ZG was the most fun I ever had in game. Sleep a snake, root a snake, pewpew, help heal, and keep that innervate for the priests. In the same pull. Fighting to find and get all leather gear that still had the right stats and enough mana regen. Anyone remember Adoorielle from Elitist Jerks? He was the first moonkin I ever saw, and a great guy. Doomckicken 4 lyfe! (I still main that character, Fwiw)
Hi there. Druid main tank from vanilla here. Great video, but a couple of issues. You said druids generated a lot of threat because they took a lot of damage. If you were properly itemized, you were taking less damage, but potentially burstier due to crits and unlucky dodge clumps. What actually generated the threat was the fact that maul, unlike every other threat generator at the time, had a threat _multiplier_, rather than a flat threat addition. And since you were itemizing heavy agility, since dodge was your only avoidance stat, you crit a LOT. On any threat check fight (vaelestraz was notable), the Druid tank made it easy mode. Now, getting itemized, that took 100 times longer. Stealth runs to solo sunken temple bosses, convincing your party to do that unpopular boss in LBRS(already not a popular run). Having warriors bid dkp on your armor health ring, even though you had an armor and health multiplier. The Druid forum at the time was one of the most civil and math intensive, as we theorycrafted the crap out of gear and abilities. I kinda miss my Druid, Hengemaker. But I probably won’t go back to WoW.
Good insight thanks! No one has mentioned it was a multiplier so far - tried to do as much research as I can since im trying to cover every class here, but theres always the odd thing that escapes me!
Yah know? As a Holy Paladin in raids, I absolutely LOVED a moonkin in group with me. I didn't usually run out of mana. But I could help keep their mana goin longer between judgement of wisdom and blessing of wisdom. The other paladin kept judgement of light on the bosses. So there was lots of splash healing flooding out.
Everyone forgets about how awesome judgement of light was. I was the Lolret in the raid group responsible for blessing of Kings and judgement of Light, the rogues and fury warriors were healing themselves.
fun to play. Raids are better places with them there. Full healing, even with a blue PVP set, they are very very hard to take down. A peaceful relaxed playstyle, easy to play ok, but hard to master. I will be rolling one again.
Druid isn't the best class in the game. But their adaptability is unmatched and with some specific gear and a little love a druid can be a great addition to any party.
This was a very well organized and thoughtfully structured video. I'm on a classic druid youtube binge, absolutely so much to absorb and still not even close to understanding the depth of this class.
Thanks so much! There is a lot to Druids for sure. This is more of an overview of the class as a whole. Skarm is good for tank stuff. Shedo the cat for feral. As for the other 2 specs im not sure.
great video! watching while i level a new druid right now! i wish people would say the whole saying though: "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one" I think this holds true for druid, you can have a rogue, but he cant switch out to heal, healers cant grab a stray mob, tanks cant do anything other than tank, they are a perfect fill.
I believe there was supposed to be a quest for cat form too, there is a matching great cat spirit like the great bear spirit in moonglade. From what I remember, it was removed because the devs thought druids were getting an unfair advantage with too much reputation with the Cenarian Circle too early in the leveling process.
Back in classic before, I was a full holy/ half prot pally while a friend was a full feral/ half resto. If I was running low on mana, we’d swap in dungeons since he still had full mana. It was really enjoyable having that just in case potential.
I remember when I first started playing wow in 2006. My first character was a druid and I STILL remember how wack that aquatic form questline was lol. I loved playing my druid in classic and BC.
You completley forgot to mention the feral cat powershifting role. Which boosts feral cat dps by a large amount. It's based on a helmet made by leatherworkers which gives extra energy every time you enter catform. You could spend your energy and then reset your catform for full energy for quite a while until you became oom.
Through the first half of my raiding life in vanilla I was resto, always being at the top or close to top healing in every raid. I started picking up a lot of spell damage gear as our casters were quickly becoming over-geared so I went balance, which was great in pvp and end game raiding, quite often being close to the top of the damage metres. In pvp balance was a very deadly spec, I finished up just short of rank 14 before they did away with the old honour system. I’ve been enjoying watching your videos. However, you certainly did not hit the nail on the head with this review.
I've been playing Night Elf Balance Druid since 2007. Sure, competitive play has it's place, but I never had any problems finding groups to run with even though Balance gets a bad rap. (That said, it probably helped that I carried pots and stats food I sold to party members at a 50% discount and treated people with respect and kindness...)
If you roll Horde Druid, you'll never NOT be desperately needed in a raid. They're typically around 4% of the Horde player base, and everyone wants Gift of the Wild + Thorns.
Although Druids do get gear faster than other classes due to only few of them being in the raid they are not so easy to get into a hard core guild with. Servers will probably have 2:1 ratio of Druids compared to Warriors but most guilds will want 8 Warriors compared to only 2-3 Druids in their rosters.
I made a Boomkin in Vanilla purely because of the moonkin form. I had a blast playing it, and that toon is my current main in BfA because moonkin is FUN! I've never cared much for instances or raiding so that was never an issue - but when you went you could be a great utility class for the group.
I played Druid and was super stoked about going feral...only to be let down with every patch but one...one patch they made bear druids feel like warrior tanks. Only to nerf them into the ground the next patch.
True, blizzard has always shit on druids since Vanilla and they still are in BFA :C , WoTLK was probably their prime but funny enough also when they were the most difficult to play.
As you leaned on but didn't really emphasize. Druids were brought for their universal toolkit, not their performance in a specific role. HoTs were horrible in Vanilla until later in the expansion, as more raw +healing power gear became available (because HoT's couldn't crit). You, ideally, wanted one resto druid for reasons you stated. But you also wanted one boomkin. The 3% spell crit aura was immensely important to healers (and somewhat for mages). Boomkin was a resto shamans best friend. Increased crit chance meant more bonus armor proc's from the Ancestral Healing talent for everyone when casting chain heal. And the innervate alleviated the mana efficiency issue shamans often had. Plus, having two druids meant you had two battle res to get healers/tanks back on their feet. That alone makes any dps/healing lost worthwhile. If they were as good as the 'purist' classes...then there'd be no reason to take anything but hybrids really.
@@mfranks4731 lol raids are not that hard, kiddo. Server last is going to be people that dont put in the time.. and besides.. unless you're first.. then who really gives a damn anyway? xD
Hardcore bear tanks should go enchanting for smoking heart of the mountain. It's BoP crafting and is amazing because it's one of two trinkets that has armor.
Just dropping by to say I love this series. I've been working through them all - great tips for beginners, good overviews, and (for addicts like me) good waiting-for-release content! Keep it up!
Thanks so much thats really what im going for. I dont expect you to be a pro after watching my vids but if you learn a thing or two or it helps you pick a class then im happy!
Played a resto druid from vanilla through Panda, then when classic came back I re-rolled resto again simply because of how much fun it is to play. I don't care if they're not the very best at anything they can do, but they really can do everything, and EVERYONE appreciates a keen druid in their battleground/raid who knows how to take advantage of their class :)
Druid was undoubtedly one of the best PvP classes for BGs in classic, so if you love PvP there's that. *Especially* with WSG, Druids were _the_ premiere flag runner back then.
Druids in hardcore raids will usually get 1-3 slots in raids only, they require a sick amount of healing done for their rank 4 HT to be standing out and they need to use rank 4 since rank 5 and above is 3 sec cast time with talents. It is unfortunally too slow for raid healing and also too slow for tank healing. But once you get enough healing to use rank 3 and 4 , you can spam endlessly as if you didnt even have a mana pool at all! But they lack the "saving" power that a priest has with power word shield or the raid healing that the shaman has. But their main strenght come in form of their innervate. Allways use it on priests since they will usually have a high amount of spirit whereas shamans only use mp5 so the innervate will hardly give them alot of mana. On a priest it will give em about 70% of their mana back if they have a decent amount of spirit, and that is really good as they are required to topheal. Druids second strenght is decurse that will give mages more time to dps. It is a severe downtime for mages to spam decurse so having a druid do the task is usually beneficial. All in all you want to bring at least 1 or 2 innervates incase your healing assignments gave you some problems with one healer using too much mana for his assignment and another doesnt, then you can quickly fuel him up and save the raid. Also, you definately want a motw in a raid and thorns om tanks for pickup threat. Druids is a class you need im raids, but only a very few.
Can't tell you how many times a combat ress on the tank saved a raid. Hardcore raiders can pretend mistakes don't happen and people don't die all the time but it does, and a combat ress can save a whole wipe and ages clearing through trash again. Also switching to bear to offtank adds running wild in the raid is a huge saviour to healers and dps who tend to get eaten alive whilst the maintanks are busy with the boss. Whilst HoTs are so limited in vanilla due to only 1 spell at a time they were still really powerful and efficient, with druid having rejuvination and regrowth (hugely underrated spell for emergencies) massively reduces panic healing and overheals. As a priest the druids in my raid were always my best buddies.
Just want to say that the video is really good, but i wanted to clarify some of the info on bear tanking. Firstly, being crit and crushed doesnt really matter if you have really good healers. This is best exemplified by the fact that all hardcore warrior tanks run a fury/prot build and dual wield frequently, therefore gaining the same vulnerability to crit and crushed. Secondly, bears can effectively main tank any boss in vanilla except for chromaggus, nefarian, and huhuran. In fact, there are bears who have main tanked all of naxx. You just need to make sure your itemization is good. For anyone wanting proof or more information feel free to check out Skarm tank, he has many videos going over tanking as warriors and druids. Druids are amazing in vanilla if you gear them well and learn how to play them.
Resto was a great spec in vanilla. I thought it was the best 1v1 class early in the game when innervate was the 31 point talent but it won't be like that this time.
Think I might spec for Resto now in Classic. I’ve always played melee dps classes, but I really wanted to try my hand at healing. We’ll see how this goes. Lol
I love doing all the roles in my dungeon-groups up to 60 with my druid or paladin and having everyone look at me like "wtf why I am even here for tanking/healing/DPS if he does all of that at once" xD lol, I even remember someone calling me the "Prophet", because I was constantly switching roles and managing all of it, changing gear between fights, etc. I love hybrid classes!
Yeah its very satisfying. I remember dpsing as cat in dungeons and if the tank died i could quickly take over or if the healer died i could quickly take over. Was effectively the protector of the group and saved so many wipes!
Totally agree. While it is true for all classes, the term "play your class" is especially true for Druids and also Paladins. They may not always finish the highest in DPS, but there was a feature that combined healing and damage on Recount and Druids and Paladins were generally going to be the tops.
Saving the group is definitely one of the most rewarding aspects of the Druid. The battle rez, innervate, ability to off tank and the clutch tranquility cast were so much fun!
Whether or not Druids are statistically viable, I do love their role in Vanilla; jack of all trades, but master of none. They may not be the best at anything, but that's the way Druids are meant to be.
If you aren’t planning on going hard on raiding in classic then druids are one of the best options you have as a more casual player. They are god-tier leveling and hold their own easily in wpvp along with giving you a viable option for all 3 roles in a majority of dungeons.
is it fun? YES! its fun as hell. and battle rez is necessary in raids. so, there is always going to be a druid slot open. also, their versatility is amazing. they can fill every support role. every single one. which is amazing in this game. it gives a druid tons of use... also, flag carrying is great. and being a raid healer in a battle ground, thats thee most mobile player on the field that can tank and flag carry. fuck, its really really fun. youre a jack of all trades that no one can catch. its amazing. plus, warriors have a rally hard time with root. rogues against a druid, they lose. why? because of faerie fire. insect swarm. moonfire. bear form. you can put a hunters pet to sleep. you can get out of half of the movement impairing effects just by shifting. you have 2 stuns. on short cooldowns. ones an interrupt. you can depoison and decurse. and throught the most of the leveling process youre waaay faster than everyone, and can stealth around mobs and enemy players. it makes it a million times better. especially on pvp servers where the factions are unbalanced. on my server, you can get ganked 5 times on a single quest. thats an average. and its terrible. but, as a cat, you avoid all of that. and your the best ganker on the road. theee best. in questing. like, people run when they see you, IF they see you. and you can take half their life bar before they get off their first attack, then use a finisher and theyre done. druid is amazing.
Ah thanks! This post made me rethink my avoidance of playing a druid for classic (balance main in wrath and cata) by reminding me the jaqck of all trades fact which is why I chose druid in the 1st place in Wrath then got disapointed by needing to choose a spec and not being to do much else outside of it. In Vanilla I could finally have my fun!
@@WhyRUclipsWhy so far, i just macro all my forms to my abilities so they insta shift. youll need to do that. you dont want to manually shift then click your spells. its way easier to just /cancelaura cat form /cast bear form(type of thing) so you dont have to click in and out. but everything can be optimized by macros. infact that may be one reason people are hating it, because they didnt macro. if you dont set it up its annoying as hell. but if you macro everything, its like youre on fire.... for instance, unless you want to hit the Cat Form icon everytime you want to shift into caster form to rejuv, youll have to macro /cancelaura Cat Form /cancelaura Bear Form /cast Rejuv(etc). then its one button push. if you need help with it, comment, and ill give you all the macros.
welp. I hope you don't plan on raiding anything but resto, and even then, your there for battle rez. You won't have a regular rez, and if enough gear gets funneled to you, you MAY be allowed to play boomkin.
I think the one plus about Druids is they were a lot of fun to level with. I really enjoyed mine. I was never much into PVP (except for that easy to get PVP gear I used to level with, LOL) or even end game raid content, except for some raids I did with guilds and such. So for me, the druid was a lot of fun. I do seem to recall healing with my druid when I did do raids which I enjoyed more than most other healers. Hybrids were like that, but for leveling and just having fun, I recommend a hybrid like a pally or a druid to see what you like, then maybe making a class that is more dedicated to what you like. if tanking, than a warrior, if healing, than a priest for group, though the hybrids all seemed to be good healers, healed a lot on my priest, pally and druid with no problems. Definitely you have to be more careful picking a class if end game raids is your goal. For me, that was never something I worried about. I loved leveling more than end game content (I leveled one of each class on horde and alliance as a result) so I always enjoyed the hybrids for that. And in classic where death was real, being able to stealth past a ton of enemies with prowl was a HUGE plus. I never ran low on experience opportunities by skipping enemies. The time I saved with prowl I could use to make up any experience I may have missed by not dying a ton trying to get to a quest goal. I think this is why you will see people defend these classes, as they had different goals, perhaps not so much into the end game scene and more into just leveling and having fun, which is where these classes shined I think.
Very fair points once again. No one wants to hear that their favourite class isn't top tier, but I want to provide realistic reasoning without just bashing on the class
You can honestly and I hate to say it skip cure poison, because you just learn abolish poison which is a better version of cure poison only a few levels later. Still a fun quest to do however and there's no harm in having. Also a trick for holding aggro on multiple adds, pre HoTing yourself would give you healing aggro ontop of your swipe aggro. Demoralizing roar also helps with all the small ticks of damage you take.
WillE yup it's not like super big brain since the resulting threat is 50% the amount healed but if you heal even 500 HP between regrowth and rejuv - that's another 250 threat spread between the mobs on top of demoralizing roar also generating threat. Then it's a lot of maul tabbing. However I'm also doing some number crunching and am thinking against a certain number of mobs it might actually be more effective to hold aggro using frenzied regeneration. (Bear form HoT) I just need to figure out how the threat modifier works on it since it's actually able to be used in bear form (I'm wondering if it's a static 50% amount healed) or if it'll follow the rules of bear form and generate an extra 30% threat. It will be on larger amounts of adds since it spreads threat evenly but one can't help but wonder. Right now I'm theorizing it'd probably be more Efficient on packs of 6 or greater. But that's my gut reaction - I have some testing and math to do once I cap out on live servers. Basically against large packs I'm wondering if frenzied regeneration is a better rage dump than swipe since swipe only hits 3 targets.
Nickolaj Madsen perhaps. It has its niche uses. But I couldn't think of really any other encounter where having both would be needed. I'm not even convinced it'd be needed for rogue 1v1 just luxury.
Feral pvp was a lot of fun, aside from some trouble hitting moving targets in cat form, but damage was perfectly fine. Not sure if it will be possible in classic, propably not, but you used to be able to edit player models, I changed my cat form to a early worgen/werewolf thing and moonkin into furbolg :)
I feel it's important to mention the Gift of the Wild buff they bring to raids. An overall stat increase along with resistances (not sure if it stacked with auras/totems however) and armor is a useful buff. I might've missed it being mentioned but surely top end guilds would like at least 1 druid in their raid =)
I think the druid class was more fleshed out in private servers then back in classic. For instance feral dps is really good now with Wolfshead Helm and Manual Crowd Pummeler but I do not think those items were being used in classic.
I have never played on private servers and I can confirm that druids I played with were aware that both were best even at the time. However, this doesn’t mean it was accepted as fact on a wide scale which I highly doubt that it was. Nor did the Druids I play with care enough to use either anyway, because of vanity of wanting a helm with stats anyway
I like your videos so thanks for the cool content. I had a balance for PvP and it was loads of fun. Combine stealth with huge critting starfire that stuns and it was pure ownage. A geared balance was an amazing PvP healer as well. Way more crits than resto = strong heals until mana runs out.
I was a nightelf druid from vanilla launch to about 1.5 years into vanilla. Started as balance, but ended up primarily healing. I made a Holy priest as my second character for healing and never looked back. Man though those early druid days were rough, but for some reason fun.
Balance does awesome in PvP. But your spec doesn't add up - nobody goes moonkin, you go restro for the instant. Get some BL buff and Starfire, Moonfire, Instant Starfire - there goes a 5k burst. That is how you would play balance PvP.
I used to be one of the healers on the main tank, and I was a resto druid. If you know what you are doing druid is really good class for healing so don't let this video scare you off. It's a lot about mana conservation and efficiency. Also timing your cool downs correctly and using lower rank healing spells to your advantage. I used to get tips from a resto druid in EJ during vanilla, thanks Betsy!
@@WillEmmo I know you did, I just put that up because when I watched it from a point of view of a new player I would put druid down the list if I wanted to heal end game. Then thinking on my experience I just didn't want anyone to be afraid to play druid if they plan on end game content. I can only imagine how hard it is to make videos on classes you didn't play every day during vanilla and you did do a good informative job. There is no way I could do this for most classes I didn't play all the time and cover it as in depth as you did. I did get a kick out of the part about druids where good at running away though, because I did that a lot because I knew that I didn't stand a chance half the time against a high dps class. Warlock! RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! haha.
I loved leveling a druid back in vanilla. Once you got cat form, everything got a lot easier. Even travel. They had a solid 30% speed boost, and that was before you hit travel form. Druids also had the ability to stealth, which let you roll on stealth dungeon runs for specific bosses with rogues. Oh, I miss my vanilla druid...
Druids were easily the most understood class in the game during classic. After they received the druid patch they became pvp monsters in the right hands. I'm not even joking. One thing not mentioned here, and isn't mentioned very often, is the armor scaling in bear form. It is such an important aspect of tanking, and nobody really mentions it. You could EASILY gain significantly more armor than a main tank BWL geared warrior without even doing a single raid by collecting items that give additional armor.. Your dodge rating will also be higher. I totally agree that when it comes down to it warriors are the better tank. The biggest problem with druids is what they were like before the godly patch came. They were significantly worse at feral and balance. 9/11/31 Anybody who played druid in vanilla will immediately know what kind of spec this is, and that it was pretty much this or nothing. The damage was done. Post 1.7 (it was patch 1.7?) perception didn't change. All druids in raids were resto already, all the raid gear was resto, and guilds flat out rejected the idea of druids being anything but resto. The truth is, very few people actually had the opportunity to see what druids could actually do when they had the right gear. It simply never happened enough for druids to stand out. The clips from the bg's in this video clearly show a poorly geared druid when it comes to melee dps. That looks like the wildheart set to me? A blue set pre raid set that offers little in terms of dps. I've heard similar things said about druids abilities in pvp about being able to run away and poor burst. Cat form can produce plenty of damage in pvp. Ravage crits, omen of clarity procs, Claw crit, Rake, Ferocious Bite crits is going to be a rough time for somebody. One thing that REALLY gets my goat is the stat ferals choose while leveling. YOU WANT STRENGTH, NOT AGILITY. Strength translates to more attack power per point than agility does. Sure you won't be getting crit or dodge increases, but you really don't need that extra dodge simply leveling. The attack power increase is much more useful. I even see Ferals at 60 do this. You are losing massive amounts of attack power. Every STR will give 2 AP while every AGI will give 1 AP. This issue is a personal opinion of mine, and the high end raid tanking advantages start to favor agi for the dodge increases. Agility won't offer that much of an armor increase either. Also high levels of agility might give enough crit to make it work! I just wasn't given the opportunity to compare the 2 due to the limited availability of gear to experiment. Biggest problem? No gear set exists to take advantage of this. Leather tends to offer Rogue stats, and rogues, hunters and even fury warriors will be given priority over any gear that does drop, because most of the guild will treat you like a charity case. This means you'll sit at the bottom of the damage metres in your blues, while epic set geared dps will tell you that druids can't do damage, while you sit wondering how the fuck you're supposed to actually do the damage without the gear. Any class in a raid of epic geared dps will be sat at the bottom of the damage metres if they're the only one with pre raid gear. And yes, this happened to me. They didn't care that it was basically a free innervate, or even leader of the pack giving the 4 melee dudes i was grouped with 3% extra crit. They just seen the damage i was doing, and decided feral druids had no place, I was kicked from the guild a few days later for not abiding by their class rules. Twats. They actually had a discussion over TS to decide if i should be given a leather epic that NOBODY ELSE NEEDED OR WANTED over just DE and selling on the AH (I was feral dps in the raid) That's the kind of shit ferals had to deal with in raids during retail classic unless you were the GM'S boyfriend who decided he wanted to see if druid tanking was possible and you got the whole guild to boost you to every single beneficial piece of gear you can think of even though there was already a druid in the guild that was already pleading for that very thing for months....different guild, but still happened to me. Druids might just be the most gear dependent class in the game! kinda joking, but it'd probably got a lot of truth to it. THIS WAS A RANT THAT I PUT LITTLE EFFORT INTO FACT CHECKING MY OWN MEMORY!! that being said if you want to call me out on something feel free. Discussion is fun AND educational!
innervate spec was the greatest support ability, it was the equivalent of a basketball assist. Innervates made holy priests exponentially more effective, and of course if you had gobs of time, you could get exalted in BG's and get the crazy gear for feral to make you stupid powerful as well
Started playing WoW classic as a tauren druid for the first time ever and I really love both the class and the game. Only level 9 so I cant wait for future gameplay
The mace in Gnomeregan has a 50% drop and a “charge system of three?” What does that mean? I’m wondering what the catch is, as 50% seems pretty easy for a drop.
trying to play druid with my friend hunter , was thinking to play feral but now thinking to play resto while lvling and then see what i can do , of tank? or just a pocket healer in pvp for war / rouge?
Its all about gear selection with a druid, two types... a feral set and a resto/balance set. Feral is all STR/AGI/STA gear stat where balance resto is INT/SPR gear stat. As stated most will go feral and do the quick heal and continue on in feral, where balance/resto might have a greater mana pool it soon depletes and you have to eat and drink.
correct me if I'm wrong but in this patch of classic Druid have a viable spec at every option DPS tank and healer. If itemized correctly they can do each one at the top rank. Just involves a lot of time, honing your great druid. There were a lot of great druids in my guild like Galidan
4:30, ye, every horde and alliance druid is friendly, that is until they meet each other outside of moonglade and slaughter eachother like any other class would xD
Back in 2005 my first character was a druid. They had great flexibility and survivability, but before multiple specs, druids were jacks of all trades, but masters of none. They could tank a bit, use damage spells, or heal... but back then tanks couldn't hold aggro, and my heals made everything come for me.
About Boomkin form, tool tip has it apply to all spells. Wouldn't there be a case to stick one with a few Paladin healers who'll love the extra crit chance on their heals? Though even if that works, the question is "is t better than having another mage?"
This was a great video, and has helped me decide on my main alt: not a druid. My main is going to be a priest, so I need a grinding alt, and I figured a druid would be good for grinding + tanking from time to time....it's unfortunate that their DPS is so bad, even if PvP. Oh well, time to decide between shaman and warrior now.
Nice understanding of the Druid. This is a strange class, best if you're taking advantage of all skills. But doing that in a raid isn't going to happen. As a casual leveler, Druid is awesome: I think that is a great point to end on. Good job.
You can totally use all abilities in raids, I used to heal, dps or tank depending. Easier with full bags of gear in a raid where you know you'll be lucky to only get a few drops.
hey! love ALL your videos all and great effort. I might say that it's hard to understand drood, you're totally right you're never good like the comparison ( mage, rogue or warrior) but I love the versatility that I have, for than one time I avoid a wipe but just bearshifting or trow innervate and double the heal. I think is something that people never realize, because it helps that, in the end, makes you succeed. I think part of the point is that everybody wants to be the king player, THE best and that is a problem like IRL. Especially as casual ( can't play as in 2004) be able to cover plenty of other class is cool. I hope that blizzard changes a bit in the future but I'm more realizing that, by doing so, druids will become too strong. anyway, thx for the effort but you were too harsh I think :p
@@WillEmmo While you are here, i think you couldve mentioned that high demand of druids sinse only about 8% of players play tauren and only a total of 7,5% play Druids, that makes druids only about 5-7% of the horde classes. This puts druids on very high demand on the horde side. and almost every good guild wants alteast one druid. (for cr and invervate)
No more than 2 druids since hots don't stack... so... high demand... it all depends... since 2 out of 40 people is.. little... raid slots are often already taken. (i'm obviously talking about resto droods. since others specs are... well... not the bests choices.)
Druid main since 2005 with various roles along the way. Feral in Vanilla and TBC, Moonkin from Wrath to present day with offspec tanking since the start. When Classic came out I tortured myself again and rolled another feral... Still had a blast though
Good point about the tier 3 2 piece bonus rejuv being good for min maxing but costing a lot. Could use a rank 1 rejuv on targets just for the sake of the ticks giving this proc. Rank 1 only costs 25 mana so theoretically if cast on yourself and you get a proc you will gain more mana back.
WillE thank you for quick reply. You seem to know a lot about classic druids. Can I ask you a question? I healed all my gaming life and prefer to heal in classic. But ever since TBC came out, I rolled paladin on horde side and healed non-stop. I really liked that I was literally unkillable by enemies...especially in PvP when people just didn’t bother. In your opinion, if one wants to play Horde, what is the closest class that comes close to Holy Pally? No raiding...just 5 mans dungeons and Battlegrounds. For example when I played holy priests, all it took is one warrior on me and I was deleted...even if I had fear, they could trinket and just smash my face. With a paladin, it didn’t work like that...it was really hard to kill him. Is it same with druids? Are they equally as hard to kill as holy paladin?
Hey yes, if anything druids, shamans cant get away once someone is on them really. Druids can just spam shift and only hard CC can keep them down. Despite being hard to kill their heals are overall weaker and vulnerable to dispels and they dont have a ress ability, only combat res, which can be a big problem for dungeons. But for Flag carrying/ harassing and just being super annoying to kill yes druids are the best for horde
Hi all prospective druids - quick note in addition to this vid.
First of all, I love your guys enthusiasm for the class - you may just be the most dedicated group of players.
I have had a number of comments regarding missing info and so on and ill straight up say I neglected to include power shifting and that's entirely my bad, and I feel it's too late to redact that at this point.
In addition to this, many people have noted prominent druid players as a resource, such as Shedothecat, Skarm and Ebbn, and I completely agree, those guys absolutely know more about druids than me, the thing is what i'm trying to provide in my videos is an overview as a whole. A kind of video that may help you pick a class. Their content is far more in depth as 2 of them are channels specifically aimed at druids - those guys are perfect for info on how to learn and play the class.
I didn't exactly praise the druid too much in the video and maybe I should have emphasized better that they can compete - but you have to put a lot LOT more effort in than you would on other classes to do so - far more than the average player will be willing or have time to do. It's not for everyone at the end of the day.
Other than that, hope you enjoyed.
I played Oomkin and Paladin, and I ate a lot of shit back in the days. Still the best timem even if MoP Ret Pala came damn close^^
I really liked your review. Only important thing that you missed might be that Druids cant use pots in forms (sucks for bears the most).
You totally shit on the feral druid. Basically, you said raid healer, or shit!
@@timpayne1057 Blizzard totally shit on druid in vanilla. OOMkim was completely non-viable and feral was inferior to warrior and rogue in raids.
TL;DR Being a Drood in classic vanilla was harsh. You weren't allowed to be a cat, roll a rogue. You weren't allow to tank as a bear, they couldn't, roll a warrior. You could barely heal, but they didn't want you to roll as a priest, SOMEONE needed to Mark of the Wild everyone... You could barely Balance, and it was mostly because people just wanted to see a BoomChicken firing laser-beams in the background of their boss kill videos to make it LOOK like someone had mad Boomkins work.... sigh. I on the otherhand made my life so much harder...
It was worth it all. This is my story......
IN Vanilla Classic WoW, I got my first 60 as a enhancement shaman. I ended up not liking it at all. Never got into groups. Didn't feel like I was helping. Then I thought about my first MMO, Guild Wars, and how I played the most retarded but amazingly successful heal-bot Monk and how I was known around the server, and was always invited to groups. I remembered how much I liked healing, and supporting people.
COOL! I should make a healer..... technically I have a shammy here, I COULD heal on it, but I want somethin.... DRUIDS CAN TURN INTO KITTIES!!!!??? O_o
And so Wildshape (I'm a BIG D&D nerd), the Tauren Drood was born.
I was D-E-D-I-C-A-T-E-D to learning healing on a Druid, and more importantly on WoW as a whole, so I leveled up as Resto. The whole way. From the time of my first Talent point, through blood, sweat, tears, more blood (mostly my own), more tears (seriously this was retarded I held back many), more blood (my own again), more blood (FINALLY something else bled...).
My rotation 1v1 against a mob was, Cat form, press every attack button, scream in real life as hard as I could to give my kitty more energy, get the mob to half health.... come out of cat form, WARSTOMP, desperately heal my dying body, then go BACK into cat form and finish it off, hopefully. Yes...... now you see why so much of the blood and tears were mine xD
I actually healed places like Wailing Caverns... PEOPLE.. LET ME heal... I then proceeded to heal every dungeon and mini-raid. I actually got noticed healing UBRS pretty well. This was right around the time Molten Core was going strong. People weren't sure that Druid's heals did anything..... Even in Molten Core they were like, shaman = multi-healer, priest = god-healer, druids = special-ed healer.
But I came into Molten Core with a shitty zerg-guild and we were IN THIS. I had like all THREE pieces of leather healing gear in the game coming in, and it took like all the 10 gold I had ever had to buy the damned things too T,T
Well as shitty zerg-guilds go, this was about as shitty and zergy as you could get. 40 people pulled from the masses of the guild roster, just trying to throw them at the bosses. Didn't go too well..... BUT I did get noticed enough to be asked to join the #2 raiding guild on the server right after Blackrock Lair started. They only had like 4 real druid mains.... and in the first few 2 weeks we made it straight to Chromaggus, who then ate our guild for the next like 2 months or so lol, BUT a good number of times I was the ONLY druid in the raid >
As an original balance druid I would just like to say...we were very flexible! I could die in all sorts of weird ways.
I love druid-people. They are the golden eggs of the community.
I still think the Tauren and the Nightelves should quit the horde/alliance and start their own faction: The Green Pact.
DokScy I agree! They have Nighthaven for now, but Blizzard should expand Nighthaven into Bootybay or Gadgetzsn like
A Horde Alliance coalition of druids would be sweet
I mean moonglade is about as close to it your gonna get, the cenarnion circle is tauren and night elves but It does suck you can't play as a druid directly part of the faction.
I mean I'd agree save night elves. I wouldn't want such an evil race in that group. Lol
4:26 druids are peaceful protectors of azeroth
*kills innocent rabbit*
He had it comin'
He did kill it as a cat. Cycle of life and all.
the grass demanded ballance
You have no idea how mad this made me in vanilla playing as a Druid and Lore-master (protectors of nature) in Lord of the Rings Online! Constantly being given quests to mass murder and mutilate innocent creatures
> : \
I wasn't the only one who laughed at this? Good. Lol.
Who else is here rewatching for classic 20th anniversary
"Raises hand"
🖐️
WARNING: If you use the Moonglade teleport, do not learn new spells directly from Moonglade druid trainer - spell costs are reduced by reputation level, so unless you are already honored by Cenarion Circle, you will waste much money (20% I think) that you could have saved if you had learned from druid trainer in a faction you are honored by (capital cities).
But is the time you save worth that 20% ?
@@YourMomMyBed8000 I wouldn't say so - at least not in the classic wow where the inflation was not so rampant as in nowadays WoW :D
@@YourMomMyBed8000 teleport to moonglade, fly to ruth village, go to Cenarion circle in Darnassus, hearthstone back to where you were playing. Takes about 3 minutes I believe
I mean i always travel to main cities, cause you also need AH, Profession trainers etc, not just Druid spells.
I was in Moonglade only for quests.
Is that actually a thing? Always bought my training anywhere didn't think discount applied to class training
With all their options, great lore, aesthetic, race exclusivity and even a zone dedicated to them it seems like Druids were almost like a hero class.
Druid, especially non-resto, imo is the most hipster choice you can make in Vanilla, for better or for worse.
@@Self-replicating_whatnot I started WoW in wotlk ah the golden days and was hyped to experience feral druids in Vanilla, but meh I dont want to play an inferior class tbh.
@@unknownentity8256 I play druid because i decided to hedge my bets and do the most i can on a single character(considering the time it takes to level in Classic). I can still raid as healer, and do dungeons and stuff as feral or balance. And there's always a possibility that Blizzard decides to monkey with the class balance and buff unpopular specs.
@@unknownentity8256 would be better if blizz came out with t4 in a classic plus scenario
@@KyleOber I wonder if modern Blizard devs have the skill to do the classic-esque content and not fuck it up with exessive balancing and homogenization. That said, would be nice to have a go at all the content that was planned for Classic but cut due to lack of time.
I still play on the same druid as i made 15 years ago, and i will still roll druid when classic comes out, i just love that class.
Same. Glad I stuck with balance through vanilla because I'm doing great DPS in raids now in retail.
Started classic as balance for the memories. Am now lvl 29...and I suck so bad it's painful. I can barely take on a lone enemy of the same lvl...while watching some hunter tear through mobs 5 lvls above him. I can't wait until endgame when I get to be NOT picked for raids.
If it wasn't for healing os I would stay in darnassus and punch rabbits.
Same for me, it has been my main for 15 years, and now I have made one in classic, with the same name :D
May I ask why? I'm debating on playing it
John White druid isnt just a class with 4 specs; u can Play it the way U want! Want to be mix from feral and balance? Go for it! Want to be mix from Balance and resto? Go for it! (Like mine spec, a little bit more offensive than moonglow!) Druid is just a nice class, especially for pvp; train hard and u can rape 2-3 players at same time! Underrated class! :)
@@johnwhite4070 Druid is probably the highest skill cap class especially in pvp, its not easy to get perfect and make use of every piece of utility but when you do its so satisfying
Actually the saying goes " A jack of all trades, a master of none but oftentimes still better than a master of one.
I actually didn't know there was an end bit to that saying. Saying that mage is a master of one thing (ranged damage) and its pretty amazing
@@WillEmmo Well yeah after all it is a master of only 1. And whilst the mage is really beneficial he is only limited with Dmg while the druid can do a little bit of everything. If the group needs heals he will heal if the group needs a tank he will tank and so on that initial premise. And ofc druid destroy mages in 1v1
@@WillEmmo If you want to WIN just play a mage its that easy :p
@@crowwelldodger3938 actually the original saying is simply "jack of all trades", and it was extended to a master of none. the rest is later. read up the history of how this came about. that last part hasnt always been there.
i believe that ending was added later, so it's actually not how it goes originally
You forgot the most important thing about druids. Best dances in the game!
I chose druid because of that
Druid was perfect for me, i found that druid for me was the best class if your not into hc raiding, my time was spent doing fun stuff around Azeroth, soloing lower dungeons for gold, gathering Herbs for my pots to sell, and helping people out etc etc, ocassionally being asked if i wanted to join a raid to fill a healer spot as they did not have enough, playing like this i actually ended up with the full Cenarion set before tbc was released, as anytime i did raid and the gear dropped, i never had to roll against anyone because the 2 or 3 guilds to which i was known as being a good substitute healer, there druid healers allready had most if not all of the set or better. So Little tip for druid players, make friends with raiding guilds and offer your services as a substitute healer, the more guilds that have you on their list the more gear you will get :P dkp never came into it either because it was always gear that the other duirds already had and you got it for free if no one wanted it.
That's it totally agree!
I had this EXACT same experience in Vanilla!
I was more casual when I played, but I did "try hard" for my party when we would clear dungeons. Druids make THE BEST 5th man in a solid party. A smart, hybrid specced druid will make every engagement go smooth. Tank pulls one too many, switch bear and hold the extra. Healer can't keep up, well here comes some HOTs to hold everything together. Mob gets away from the tank and goes for a caster, you can take up tanking that mob, or just pull it back to the tank so he can get threat on it without changing his rotation. Boss has minions that hang around, druid can stealth in, party pulls the boss, then druid switches to bear and grabs the minions, which works great for tight situations with mini-bosses and mobs in nearby halls. Plus so much more, I mostly just focused on tanking there, but all the extra DPS you can add, at any range, too, will always help things go smoothly.
I ended up on a private server a few years back and got myself to be co-leader of a guild. I took some guild members out to a dungeon and they had NO clue how to work as a team. It turns out that many of the players on the server never played on official, and the lower population ment they did everything solo. So, I take out groups of my guild members to VC and go over party tactics. I use my druid for the whole thing. I show each person how to play their role by using what I had as a druid to be an example. Since I was playing as a druid for this, when we would move ahead in the dungeon and things got bad, I could bail out the party with the ideas I talked about above. Druids are great as "party support" in a way that no other class could ever be.
"Taunt off me so i can res the main healer, will send out innervate and taunt boss back after, is everyone ready?"
Druid players are not many, but they're proud and vocal. This video is going to bother many of them, especialy those who watch videos by the likes of Skarm, Shedo, Ebbnflow etc... It was nice to watch for me :)
Thanks, thats a good point. Thing is those guys put a hell of a lot of effort in to make druid good, more than your average player will. I'm trying to provide an overview, those guys really help you learn the min max
"they were good at running away"
... I laughed so loud!
I remember there was a time I was young, and struggling to progress in WoW :Vanilla and I met a Boomkin Druid named Carabos/Karabos. He was GEAR'd from a top guild and for no reason at all he liked to Rp with me and my friends. Anytime I had level 60's ganking me he'd come by and yell, " BOOOMIE BOOmbkin! no hurting my friends!" and he'd crit shot into bear form and go ape shit. I never seen him lose in a fair fight. Gained my respect :;) hope your doing well somewhere out there Mr.Carabos, those memories where great! (RIP: theVenturCO)
Ain't that just what its all about
Pig Chatting Ham cringe as fuck
Really nice and honest guide, I'll be playing druid in classic, as I did originally, knowing that I'm a hybrid class with challenges is okay, because I love the class. Cheers!
Thanks! I think it's tough to evaluate the druid without overselling some of the thiings they can do since you do need to do that extra mile. If you are prepared to do that though you can really stand out
Playing moonkin and raiding ZG was the most fun I ever had in game. Sleep a snake, root a snake, pewpew, help heal, and keep that innervate for the priests. In the same pull. Fighting to find and get all leather gear that still had the right stats and enough mana regen. Anyone remember Adoorielle from Elitist Jerks? He was the first moonkin I ever saw, and a great guy. Doomckicken 4 lyfe! (I still main that character, Fwiw)
Hi there. Druid main tank from vanilla here. Great video, but a couple of issues. You said druids generated a lot of threat because they took a lot of damage. If you were properly itemized, you were taking less damage, but potentially burstier due to crits and unlucky dodge clumps. What actually generated the threat was the fact that maul, unlike every other threat generator at the time, had a threat _multiplier_, rather than a flat threat addition. And since you were itemizing heavy agility, since dodge was your only avoidance stat, you crit a LOT. On any threat check fight (vaelestraz was notable), the Druid tank made it easy mode.
Now, getting itemized, that took 100 times longer. Stealth runs to solo sunken temple bosses, convincing your party to do that unpopular boss in LBRS(already not a popular run). Having warriors bid dkp on your armor health ring, even though you had an armor and health multiplier.
The Druid forum at the time was one of the most civil and math intensive, as we theorycrafted the crap out of gear and abilities.
I kinda miss my Druid, Hengemaker. But I probably won’t go back to WoW.
Good insight thanks! No one has mentioned it was a multiplier so far - tried to do as much research as I can since im trying to cover every class here, but theres always the odd thing that escapes me!
@@WillEmmo Great points, thx.
"Druids are protectors of Azeroth"... *kills rabbit in Moonglade*
Yah know? As a Holy Paladin in raids, I absolutely LOVED a moonkin in group with me. I didn't usually run out of mana. But I could help keep their mana goin longer between judgement of wisdom and blessing of wisdom. The other paladin kept judgement of light on the bosses. So there was lots of splash healing flooding out.
Everyone forgets about how awesome judgement of light was. I was the Lolret in the raid group responsible for blessing of Kings and judgement of Light, the rogues and fury warriors were healing themselves.
I was a druid and not being able to afford my rare mount wasn't too bad since Travel Form was pretty adequate.
fun to play. Raids are better places with them there. Full healing, even with a blue PVP set, they are very very hard to take down. A peaceful relaxed playstyle, easy to play ok, but hard to master. I will be rolling one again.
Good decision bro
Hell yeah, me too
Well summed up. I'll be out there representing too :)
Very easy to take down tbh, what class would struggle?
@@fredriksvard2603 A healing druid. Ha.
Druid isn't the best class in the game. But their adaptability is unmatched and with some specific gear and a little love a druid can be a great addition to any party.
“A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”
Awesome video! see ya'll in moonglade!
Having played a druid for the longest time.. just no... not at all. Only damn thing that class could do is heal
@@MRKetter81 huh? Was just saying what the full quote actually is.
@@AltimotionPictures I know, and its really a lie. The class was never better than one unless you were twittling your thumbs
@@MRKetter81 I agree, although the druid is an underdog in that regard, so victory is more satisfying. :D
@@AltimotionPictures that's not a full quote lol. "Jack of all trades" is a quote, everything after is just tacked on.
This was a very well organized and thoughtfully structured video. I'm on a classic druid youtube binge, absolutely so much to absorb and still not even close to understanding the depth of this class.
Thanks so much! There is a lot to Druids for sure. This is more of an overview of the class as a whole. Skarm is good for tank stuff. Shedo the cat for feral. As for the other 2 specs im not sure.
@@WillEmmo Stormx does a great job showing Balance PvP in his videos
@@jonandersen7208 Ill give it a look ta
great video! watching while i level a new druid right now!
i wish people would say the whole saying though: "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one"
I think this holds true for druid, you can have a rogue, but he cant switch out to heal, healers cant grab a stray mob, tanks cant do anything other than tank, they are a perfect fill.
I believe there was supposed to be a quest for cat form too, there is a matching great cat spirit like the great bear spirit in moonglade. From what I remember, it was removed because the devs thought druids were getting an unfair advantage with too much reputation with the Cenarian Circle too early in the leveling process.
I mean it would make sense for them to make more reputation with the druid group, right?
"I hope you like flags" hahaha
very accurate xD
this week on 'fun with flags'....
Flag running was my favorite thing in warsong...always got a laugh at the ones trying to catch me :p
Back in classic before, I was a full holy/ half prot pally while a friend was a full feral/ half resto. If I was running low on mana, we’d swap in dungeons since he still had full mana. It was really enjoyable having that just in case potential.
Ah, utility cleave
I remember when I first started playing wow in 2006. My first character was a druid and I STILL remember how wack that aquatic form questline was lol. I loved playing my druid in classic and BC.
You completley forgot to mention the feral cat powershifting role. Which boosts feral cat dps by a large amount. It's based on a helmet made by leatherworkers which gives extra energy every time you enter catform. You could spend your energy and then reset your catform for full energy for quite a while until you became oom.
I was a hardcore Druid back in vanilla and it was great . Love the vid btw, brought back many good memories from vanilla!
Through the first half of my raiding life in vanilla I was resto, always being at the top or close to top healing in every raid. I started picking up a lot of spell damage gear as our casters were quickly becoming over-geared so I went balance, which was great in pvp and end game raiding, quite often being close to the top of the damage metres. In pvp balance was a very deadly spec, I finished up just short of rank 14 before they did away with the old honour system. I’ve been enjoying watching your videos. However, you certainly did not hit the nail on the head with this review.
I've been playing Night Elf Balance Druid since 2007. Sure, competitive play has it's place, but I never had any problems finding groups to run with even though Balance gets a bad rap. (That said, it probably helped that I carried pots and stats food I sold to party members at a 50% discount and treated people with respect and kindness...)
well 2007 is already BC and moonkin was playable there...
Druids suck, don't roll one.
- Me rolling one getting all the loot /rubs hands.
Keep the competition out!
Have all the gear you want. They're still aids.
Hunter weapon! Rogue leather! Oh, piece of clothing has intellect? Than its hunter gear!
If you roll Horde Druid, you'll never NOT be desperately needed in a raid. They're typically around 4% of the Horde player base, and everyone wants Gift of the Wild + Thorns.
Although Druids do get gear faster than other classes due to only few of them being in the raid they are not so easy to get into a hard core guild with. Servers will probably have 2:1 ratio of Druids compared to Warriors but most guilds will want 8 Warriors compared to only 2-3 Druids in their rosters.
Classic "A faction war would would make little sense to the druids"
bfa hold my beer
I made a Boomkin in Vanilla purely because of the moonkin form. I had a blast playing it, and that toon is my current main in BfA because moonkin is FUN! I've never cared much for instances or raiding so that was never an issue - but when you went you could be a great utility class for the group.
My mate was fucking excellent as a druid, pve and pvp. He got pissed at the lack of love from Blizzard and quit :(
I played Druid and was super stoked about going feral...only to be let down with every patch but one...one patch they made bear druids feel like warrior tanks. Only to nerf them into the ground the next patch.
True, blizzard has always shit on druids since Vanilla and they still are in BFA :C , WoTLK was probably their prime but funny enough also when they were the most difficult to play.
He sounds like a snowflake
@@lifelessgaming9240 like you?
As you leaned on but didn't really emphasize. Druids were brought for their universal toolkit, not their performance in a specific role. HoTs were horrible in Vanilla until later in the expansion, as more raw +healing power gear became available (because HoT's couldn't crit). You, ideally, wanted one resto druid for reasons you stated. But you also wanted one boomkin. The 3% spell crit aura was immensely important to healers (and somewhat for mages). Boomkin was a resto shamans best friend. Increased crit chance meant more bonus armor proc's from the Ancestral Healing talent for everyone when casting chain heal. And the innervate alleviated the mana efficiency issue shamans often had. Plus, having two druids meant you had two battle res to get healers/tanks back on their feet. That alone makes any dps/healing lost worthwhile. If they were as good as the 'purist' classes...then there'd be no reason to take anything but hybrids really.
11:42 do balance druids really skip on insect swarm??
Protectors of Azeroth class, kills innocent bunny without reason.
Gonna start a raiding guild consisting of majority "suboptimal" specs
Would be super cool to see!
I'd join! xD
Going for world/server last?
@@mfranks4731 lol raids are not that hard, kiddo. Server last is going to be people that dont put in the time.. and besides.. unless you're first.. then who really gives a damn anyway? xD
Call your guild "Land of misfit builds"
Hardcore bear tanks should go enchanting for smoking heart of the mountain. It's BoP crafting and is amazing because it's one of two trinkets that has armor.
That + Mark of Tyranny! I have some video ideas for talking about some interesting gear in the future
Mandatory.
ill be seeing you guys in moonglade
Just dropping by to say I love this series. I've been working through them all - great tips for beginners, good overviews, and (for addicts like me) good waiting-for-release content! Keep it up!
Thanks so much thats really what im going for. I dont expect you to be a pro after watching my vids but if you learn a thing or two or it helps you pick a class then im happy!
You realized the true power of the druid. Bear form dance OP
Its strong!
Played a resto druid from vanilla through Panda, then when classic came back I re-rolled resto again simply because of how much fun it is to play. I don't care if they're not the very best at anything they can do, but they really can do everything, and EVERYONE appreciates a keen druid in their battleground/raid who knows how to take advantage of their class :)
Druid was undoubtedly one of the best PvP classes for BGs in classic, so if you love PvP there's that. *Especially* with WSG, Druids were _the_ premiere flag runner back then.
Druids in hardcore raids will usually get 1-3 slots in raids only, they require a sick amount of healing done for their rank 4 HT to be standing out and they need to use rank 4 since rank 5 and above is 3 sec cast time with talents. It is unfortunally too slow for raid healing and also too slow for tank healing. But once you get enough healing to use rank 3 and 4 , you can spam endlessly as if you didnt even have a mana pool at all! But they lack the "saving" power that a priest has with power word shield or the raid healing that the shaman has. But their main strenght come in form of their innervate. Allways use it on priests since they will usually have a high amount of spirit whereas shamans only use mp5 so the innervate will hardly give them alot of mana. On a priest it will give em about 70% of their mana back if they have a decent amount of spirit, and that is really good as they are required to topheal. Druids second strenght is decurse that will give mages more time to dps. It is a severe downtime for mages to spam decurse so having a druid do the task is usually beneficial. All in all you want to bring at least 1 or 2 innervates incase your healing assignments gave you some problems with one healer using too much mana for his assignment and another doesnt, then you can quickly fuel him up and save the raid. Also, you definately want a motw in a raid and thorns om tanks for pickup threat. Druids is a class you need im raids, but only a very few.
Good write up! Its true about HT cast time being an issue where other healers would top someone before you could - should have given it a mentioned!
Can't tell you how many times a combat ress on the tank saved a raid. Hardcore raiders can pretend mistakes don't happen and people don't die all the time but it does, and a combat ress can save a whole wipe and ages clearing through trash again. Also switching to bear to offtank adds running wild in the raid is a huge saviour to healers and dps who tend to get eaten alive whilst the maintanks are busy with the boss. Whilst HoTs are so limited in vanilla due to only 1 spell at a time they were still really powerful and efficient, with druid having rejuvination and regrowth (hugely underrated spell for emergencies) massively reduces panic healing and overheals. As a priest the druids in my raid were always my best buddies.
Just want to say that the video is really good, but i wanted to clarify some of the info on bear tanking.
Firstly, being crit and crushed doesnt really matter if you have really good healers. This is best exemplified by the fact that all hardcore warrior tanks run a fury/prot build and dual wield frequently, therefore gaining the same vulnerability to crit and crushed.
Secondly, bears can effectively main tank any boss in vanilla except for chromaggus, nefarian, and huhuran. In fact, there are bears who have main tanked all of naxx. You just need to make sure your itemization is good. For anyone wanting proof or more information feel free to check out Skarm tank, he has many videos going over tanking as warriors and druids.
Druids are amazing in vanilla if you gear them well and learn how to play them.
Feral: Manual Crowd Pummeler
Resto was a great spec in vanilla. I thought it was the best 1v1 class early in the game when innervate was the 31 point talent but it won't be like that this time.
This series is incredible!
Thanks!
Think I might spec for Resto now in Classic. I’ve always played melee dps classes, but I really wanted to try my hand at healing. We’ll see how this goes. Lol
Spam rank 4 healing touch and innervate the mages. Thats your lot in life from now on.
Awesome! Subbed and cant wait to see whats next :)
Thanks! Have several ideas/ will be a vid about rogues.
I love doing all the roles in my dungeon-groups up to 60 with my druid or paladin and having everyone look at me like "wtf why I am even here for tanking/healing/DPS if he does all of that at once" xD
lol, I even remember someone calling me the "Prophet", because I was constantly switching roles and managing all of it, changing gear between fights, etc.
I love hybrid classes!
Yeah the options available make them super cool!
Yeah its very satisfying. I remember dpsing as cat in dungeons and if the tank died i could quickly take over or if the healer died i could quickly take over. Was effectively the protector of the group and saved so many wipes!
Totally agree. While it is true for all classes, the term "play your class" is especially true for Druids and also Paladins. They may not always finish the highest in DPS, but there was a feature that combined healing and damage on Recount and Druids and Paladins were generally going to be the tops.
Saving the group is definitely one of the most rewarding aspects of the Druid. The battle rez, innervate, ability to off tank and the clutch tranquility cast were so much fun!
Whether or not Druids are statistically viable, I do love their role in Vanilla; jack of all trades, but master of none. They may not be the best at anything, but that's the way Druids are meant to be.
Just wait til TBC they were godly tanks and great healers with their hots.
@joey b Yeah HotW is easily the best spec for a druid.
jack of all traders, but master of mobility :)
they can ADOPT
If you aren’t planning on going hard on raiding in classic then druids are one of the best options you have as a more casual player. They are god-tier leveling and hold their own easily in wpvp along with giving you a viable option for all 3 roles in a majority of dungeons.
fully agree! Thats the conclusion I came to
is it fun? YES! its fun as hell. and battle rez is necessary in raids. so, there is always going to be a druid slot open. also, their versatility is amazing. they can fill every support role. every single one. which is amazing in this game. it gives a druid tons of use... also, flag carrying is great. and being a raid healer in a battle ground, thats thee most mobile player on the field that can tank and flag carry. fuck, its really really fun. youre a jack of all trades that no one can catch. its amazing. plus, warriors have a rally hard time with root. rogues against a druid, they lose. why? because of faerie fire. insect swarm. moonfire. bear form. you can put a hunters pet to sleep. you can get out of half of the movement impairing effects just by shifting. you have 2 stuns. on short cooldowns. ones an interrupt. you can depoison and decurse. and throught the most of the leveling process youre waaay faster than everyone, and can stealth around mobs and enemy players. it makes it a million times better. especially on pvp servers where the factions are unbalanced. on my server, you can get ganked 5 times on a single quest. thats an average. and its terrible. but, as a cat, you avoid all of that. and your the best ganker on the road. theee best. in questing. like, people run when they see you, IF they see you. and you can take half their life bar before they get off their first attack, then use a finisher and theyre done. druid is amazing.
Ah thanks! This post made me rethink my avoidance of playing a druid for classic (balance main in wrath and cata) by reminding me the jaqck of all trades fact which is why I chose druid in the 1st place in Wrath then got disapointed by needing to choose a spec and not being to do much else outside of it. In Vanilla I could finally have my fun!
@@WhyRUclipsWhy im having a blast. not sure whats supposed to be so bad about them. they seem op to me.
@@WhyRUclipsWhy so far, i just macro all my forms to my abilities so they insta shift. youll need to do that. you dont want to manually shift then click your spells. its way easier to just /cancelaura cat form /cast bear form(type of thing) so you dont have to click in and out. but everything can be optimized by macros. infact that may be one reason people are hating it, because they didnt macro. if you dont set it up its annoying as hell. but if you macro everything, its like youre on fire.... for instance, unless you want to hit the Cat Form icon everytime you want to shift into caster form to rejuv, youll have to macro /cancelaura Cat Form /cancelaura Bear Form /cast Rejuv(etc). then its one button push. if you need help with it, comment, and ill give you all the macros.
Nice guide, decided ill be going druid in classic and im sure itll be fun and exciting.
welp. I hope you don't plan on raiding anything but resto, and even then, your there for battle rez. You won't have a regular rez, and if enough gear gets funneled to you, you MAY be allowed to play boomkin.
I think the one plus about Druids is they were a lot of fun to level with. I really enjoyed mine. I was never much into PVP (except for that easy to get PVP gear I used to level with, LOL) or even end game raid content, except for some raids I did with guilds and such. So for me, the druid was a lot of fun. I do seem to recall healing with my druid when I did do raids which I enjoyed more than most other healers. Hybrids were like that, but for leveling and just having fun, I recommend a hybrid like a pally or a druid to see what you like, then maybe making a class that is more dedicated to what you like. if tanking, than a warrior, if healing, than a priest for group, though the hybrids all seemed to be good healers, healed a lot on my priest, pally and druid with no problems.
Definitely you have to be more careful picking a class if end game raids is your goal. For me, that was never something I worried about. I loved leveling more than end game content (I leveled one of each class on horde and alliance as a result) so I always enjoyed the hybrids for that. And in classic where death was real, being able to stealth past a ton of enemies with prowl was a HUGE plus. I never ran low on experience opportunities by skipping enemies. The time I saved with prowl I could use to make up any experience I may have missed by not dying a ton trying to get to a quest goal.
I think this is why you will see people defend these classes, as they had different goals, perhaps not so much into the end game scene and more into just leveling and having fun, which is where these classes shined I think.
Very fair points once again.
No one wants to hear that their favourite class isn't top tier, but I want to provide realistic reasoning without just bashing on the class
@@WillEmmo I totally understand and agreed with your assessments. I just wanted to add in another insight as to why some prefer them.
You can honestly and I hate to say it skip cure poison, because you just learn abolish poison which is a better version of cure poison only a few levels later.
Still a fun quest to do however and there's no harm in having.
Also a trick for holding aggro on multiple adds, pre HoTing yourself would give you healing aggro ontop of your swipe aggro. Demoralizing roar also helps with all the small ticks of damage you take.
Hotting yourself is actually a 200IQ play wow.
There is always more to learn about this game lol
I often use both cure poison and abolish poison when fighting rogues.
WillE yup it's not like super big brain since the resulting threat is 50% the amount healed but if you heal even 500 HP between regrowth and rejuv - that's another 250 threat spread between the mobs on top of demoralizing roar also generating threat. Then it's a lot of maul tabbing.
However I'm also doing some number crunching and am thinking against a certain number of mobs it might actually be more effective to hold aggro using frenzied regeneration. (Bear form HoT) I just need to figure out how the threat modifier works on it since it's actually able to be used in bear form (I'm wondering if it's a static 50% amount healed) or if it'll follow the rules of bear form and generate an extra 30% threat. It will be on larger amounts of adds since it spreads threat evenly but one can't help but wonder. Right now I'm theorizing it'd probably be more Efficient on packs of 6 or greater. But that's my gut reaction - I have some testing and math to do once I cap out on live servers.
Basically against large packs I'm wondering if frenzied regeneration is a better rage dump than swipe since swipe only hits 3 targets.
Nickolaj Madsen perhaps. It has its niche uses. But I couldn't think of really any other encounter where having both would be needed. I'm not even convinced it'd be needed for rogue 1v1 just luxury.
Very good series. Keep it up!
Will do! Shaman next!
Tank druid with that sick epic staff (Warden staff?) that gave insane amount of AC was so sick in beta and classic
Feral pvp was a lot of fun, aside from some trouble hitting moving targets in cat form, but damage was perfectly fine. Not sure if it will be possible in classic, propably not, but you used to be able to edit player models, I changed my cat form to a early worgen/werewolf thing and moonkin into furbolg :)
I feel it's important to mention the Gift of the Wild buff they bring to raids. An overall stat increase along with resistances (not sure if it stacked with auras/totems however) and armor is a useful buff. I might've missed it being mentioned but surely top end guilds would like at least 1 druid in their raid =)
Yes, I think i just gave it a quick mention, it did stack with other resist buffs too!
Usually at least 1 druid, if absolutely nothing else they were the only one with a battle rez in vanilla. Nice to have in a pinch.
I think the druid class was more fleshed out in private servers then back in classic. For instance feral dps is really good now with Wolfshead Helm and Manual Crowd Pummeler but I do not think those items were being used in classic.
Hey they are in Classic - I shoulda given a bit more info on the helm though
kwodjo love the jad reference🔥🤦🏻♀️
osrs and oswow for life
I have never played on private servers and I can confirm that druids I played with were aware that both were best even at the time.
However, this doesn’t mean it was accepted as fact on a wide scale which I highly doubt that it was. Nor did the Druids I play with care enough to use either anyway, because of vanity of wanting a helm with stats anyway
Oh the better times, @@tetrisgoat , truly the better times.
I like your videos so thanks for the cool content. I had a balance for PvP and it was loads of fun. Combine stealth with huge critting starfire that stuns and it was pure ownage. A geared balance was an amazing PvP healer as well. Way more crits than resto = strong heals until mana runs out.
watch the feral druid deep dive by tipsout.. feral druids can be amazing end game tanks. lots of thought and theory has gone into figuring this out.
For sure man, people doubted them wrongly!
I agree, watch some Skarm Tank too. He’s pushed Druid tank to the limit
@@ikemaster123 He's a beast
Thought and theory, mostly from private servers that are not blizzard.
What a happy little tree 🌲
I was a nightelf druid from vanilla launch to about 1.5 years into vanilla. Started as balance, but ended up primarily healing. I made a Holy priest as my second character for healing and never looked back. Man though those early druid days were rough, but for some reason fun.
Balance does awesome in PvP. But your spec doesn't add up - nobody goes moonkin, you go restro for the instant. Get some BL buff and Starfire, Moonfire, Instant Starfire - there goes a 5k burst. That is how you would play balance PvP.
I mentioned that in the vid too!
sorry how do you get a instant starfire?
Vvewa ye how ? Rofl
@@jarlfisk does he mean nature's swiftness then wrath? Lmao
I used to be one of the healers on the main tank, and I was a resto druid. If you know what you are doing druid is really good class for healing so don't let this video scare you off. It's a lot about mana conservation and efficiency. Also timing your cool downs correctly and using lower rank healing spells to your advantage. I used to get tips from a resto druid in EJ during vanilla, thanks Betsy!
I tried to put out the positives for druid as much as I could, resto for sure was good
@@WillEmmo I know you did, I just put that up because when I watched it from a point of view of a new player I would put druid down the list if I wanted to heal end game. Then thinking on my experience I just didn't want anyone to be afraid to play druid if they plan on end game content. I can only imagine how hard it is to make videos on classes you didn't play every day during vanilla and you did do a good informative job. There is no way I could do this for most classes I didn't play all the time and cover it as in depth as you did. I did get a kick out of the part about druids where good at running away though, because I did that a lot because I knew that I didn't stand a chance half the time against a high dps class. Warlock! RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! haha.
I loved leveling a druid back in vanilla. Once you got cat form, everything got a lot easier. Even travel. They had a solid 30% speed boost, and that was before you hit travel form.
Druids also had the ability to stealth, which let you roll on stealth dungeon runs for specific bosses with rogues.
Oh, I miss my vanilla druid...
18:26 the druid sadly walks away as the lonely character tries to find his spot in the world lmao
Druids were easily the most understood class in the game during classic. After they received the druid patch they became pvp monsters in the right hands. I'm not even joking. One thing not mentioned here, and isn't mentioned very often, is the armor scaling in bear form. It is such an important aspect of tanking, and nobody really mentions it. You could EASILY gain significantly more armor than a main tank BWL geared warrior without even doing a single raid by collecting items that give additional armor.. Your dodge rating will also be higher. I totally agree that when it comes down to it warriors are the better tank. The biggest problem with druids is what they were like before the godly patch came. They were significantly worse at feral and balance. 9/11/31 Anybody who played druid in vanilla will immediately know what kind of spec this is, and that it was pretty much this or nothing.
The damage was done. Post 1.7 (it was patch 1.7?) perception didn't change. All druids in raids were resto already, all the raid gear was resto, and guilds flat out rejected the idea of druids being anything but resto. The truth is, very few people actually had the opportunity to see what druids could actually do when they had the right gear. It simply never happened enough for druids to stand out.
The clips from the bg's in this video clearly show a poorly geared druid when it comes to melee dps. That looks like the wildheart set to me? A blue set pre raid set that offers little in terms of dps. I've heard similar things said about druids abilities in pvp about being able to run away and poor burst. Cat form can produce plenty of damage in pvp. Ravage crits, omen of clarity procs, Claw crit, Rake, Ferocious Bite crits is going to be a rough time for somebody.
One thing that REALLY gets my goat is the stat ferals choose while leveling. YOU WANT STRENGTH, NOT AGILITY. Strength translates to more attack power per point than agility does. Sure you won't be getting crit or dodge increases, but you really don't need that extra dodge simply leveling. The attack power increase is much more useful. I even see Ferals at 60 do this. You are losing massive amounts of attack power. Every STR will give 2 AP while every AGI will give 1 AP. This issue is a personal opinion of mine, and the high end raid tanking advantages start to favor agi for the dodge increases. Agility won't offer that much of an armor increase either. Also high levels of agility might give enough crit to make it work! I just wasn't given the opportunity to compare the 2 due to the limited availability of gear to experiment.
Biggest problem? No gear set exists to take advantage of this. Leather tends to offer Rogue stats, and rogues, hunters and even fury warriors will be given priority over any gear that does drop, because most of the guild will treat you like a charity case. This means you'll sit at the bottom of the damage metres in your blues, while epic set geared dps will tell you that druids can't do damage, while you sit wondering how the fuck you're supposed to actually do the damage without the gear. Any class in a raid of epic geared dps will be sat at the bottom of the damage metres if they're the only one with pre raid gear. And yes, this happened to me. They didn't care that it was basically a free innervate, or even leader of the pack giving the 4 melee dudes i was grouped with 3% extra crit. They just seen the damage i was doing, and decided feral druids had no place, I was kicked from the guild a few days later for not abiding by their class rules. Twats. They actually had a discussion over TS to decide if i should be given a leather epic that NOBODY ELSE NEEDED OR WANTED over just DE and selling on the AH (I was feral dps in the raid) That's the kind of shit ferals had to deal with in raids during retail classic unless you were the GM'S boyfriend who decided he wanted to see if druid tanking was possible and you got the whole guild to boost you to every single beneficial piece of gear you can think of even though there was already a druid in the guild that was already pleading for that very thing for months....different guild, but still happened to me.
Druids might just be the most gear dependent class in the game! kinda joking, but it'd probably got a lot of truth to it.
THIS WAS A RANT THAT I PUT LITTLE EFFORT INTO FACT CHECKING MY OWN MEMORY!! that being said if you want to call me out on something feel free. Discussion is fun AND educational!
i will not like this comment even though you took a long time to write it, just to annoy you a bit :)
innervate spec was the greatest support ability, it was the equivalent of a basketball assist. Innervates made holy priests exponentially more effective, and of course if you had gobs of time, you could get exalted in BG's and get the crazy gear for feral to make you stupid powerful as well
jdspencer60 not as powerful as other classes putting in the same time elsewhere
Started playing WoW classic as a tauren druid for the first time ever and I really love both the class and the game. Only level 9 so I cant wait for future gameplay
Nice have fun with it!
The mace in Gnomeregan has a 50% drop and a “charge system of three?” What does that mean? I’m wondering what the catch is, as 50% seems pretty easy for a drop.
trying to play druid with my friend hunter , was thinking to play feral but now thinking to play resto while lvling and then see what i can do , of tank? or just a pocket healer in pvp for war / rouge?
id stick to feral levelling. There are very few items with healing power on early and most of the talents that affect your healing output come later.
Its all about gear selection with a druid, two types... a feral set and a resto/balance set. Feral is all STR/AGI/STA gear stat where balance resto is INT/SPR gear stat. As stated most will go feral and do the quick heal and continue on in feral, where balance/resto might have a greater mana pool it soon depletes and you have to eat and drink.
3:04 level 40 mount is 60% movement speed, not 40%.
Yep my bad there brain error
correct me if I'm wrong but in this patch of classic Druid have a viable spec at every option DPS tank and healer. If itemized correctly they can do each one at the top rank. Just involves a lot of time, honing your great druid. There were a lot of great druids in my guild like Galidan
Mainly healer and tank, dps feral can be good, needs a lot of extra effort and won't be top damage, moonkin still struggles
4:30, ye, every horde and alliance druid is friendly, that is until they meet each other outside of moonglade and slaughter eachother like any other class would xD
Yep lol
Back in 2005 my first character was a druid. They had great flexibility and survivability, but before multiple specs, druids were jacks of all trades, but masters of none. They could tank a bit, use damage spells, or heal... but back then tanks couldn't hold aggro, and my heals made everything come for me.
„U did not have to be in melee distance to start talking sh*t“ 😆👍
I remember when Mangle got added it made feral druids do waaaay more dmg.
As a balance druid from the beginning, Thank you for doing your best for not making fun of me.
Thanks! I wanted to go over the positive aspects but remain realistic - I think that gives a better review than just saying "lol xyz class is trash"
@@WillEmmo I hope your channel keeps booming brudda. Keep up the good work.
About Boomkin form, tool tip has it apply to all spells. Wouldn't there be a case to stick one with a few Paladin healers who'll love the extra crit chance on their heals? Though even if that works, the question is "is t better than having another mage?"
This was a great video, and has helped me decide on my main alt: not a druid.
My main is going to be a priest, so I need a grinding alt, and I figured a druid would be good for grinding + tanking from time to time....it's unfortunate that their DPS is so bad, even if PvP.
Oh well, time to decide between shaman and warrior now.
GL!
will you do these videos for classic TBC soon?
Nice understanding of the Druid. This is a strange class, best if you're taking advantage of all skills. But doing that in a raid isn't going to happen. As a casual leveler, Druid is awesome: I think that is a great point to end on. Good job.
Thanks! They are pretty complicated to cover!
You can totally use all abilities in raids, I used to heal, dps or tank depending. Easier with full bags of gear in a raid where you know you'll be lucky to only get a few drops.
hey! love ALL your videos all and great effort. I might say that it's hard to understand drood, you're totally right you're never good like the comparison ( mage, rogue or warrior) but I love the versatility that I have, for than one time I avoid a wipe but just bearshifting or trow innervate and double the heal. I think is something that people never realize, because it helps that, in the end, makes you succeed. I think part of the point is that everybody wants to be the king player, THE best and that is a problem like IRL.
Especially as casual ( can't play as in 2004) be able to cover plenty of other class is cool. I hope that blizzard changes a bit in the future but I'm more realizing that, by doing so, druids will become too strong.
anyway, thx for the effort but you were too harsh I think :p
You missed mentioning that druids are 2X winner in reaching lvl 60 on Elysium pvt servers. so they maybe are even faster then hunter in leveling.
They are good for sure - also interesting info cheers
@@WillEmmo While you are here, i think you couldve mentioned that high demand of druids sinse only about 8% of players play tauren and only a total of 7,5% play Druids, that makes druids only about 5-7% of the horde classes. This puts druids on very high demand on the horde side. and almost every good guild wants alteast one druid. (for cr and invervate)
No more than 2 druids since hots don't stack... so... high demand... it all depends... since 2 out of 40 people is.. little... raid slots are often already taken.
(i'm obviously talking about resto droods. since others specs are... well... not the bests choices.)
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having a hard time between a rdruid , priest or just warlock (depends alot ,if I go nefl or undead)
Tnks for the video pretty informative .
All solid choices. Ill cover priest and lock in final 2 vids of this series
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@@WillEmmo Saving the best for last I see. ;')
My main and alt were always undead warlock and night elf Druid
I was struggling with my druid anyway in classic this video has just put me over the edge omg im depressed
Druid main since 2005 with various roles along the way. Feral in Vanilla and TBC, Moonkin from Wrath to present day with offspec tanking since the start. When Classic came out I tortured myself again and rolled another feral... Still had a blast though
Why didn't you mention power shifting for ferals?
Should have covered it. Missed it out, my bad
@@WillEmmo it's tricky for sure, but a huge boost to dps
Good point about the tier 3 2 piece bonus rejuv being good for min maxing but costing a lot. Could use a rank 1 rejuv on targets just for the sake of the ticks giving this proc. Rank 1 only costs 25 mana so theoretically if cast on yourself and you get a proc you will gain more mana back.
Yeah i guess people will do it!
I may end up playing classic after all. I miss the days of wow when one mob was a threat, and two mobs was almost certain death.
Which new spec did druids get in new expansions? I haven’t played since WotLK, but didn’t Druids always have tank/heal/melee Dps and ranged dps?
Feral used to be for Cat dps and Bear tanking. It was changed... at some point to Feral for cat dps and Guardian for Bear tanking
WillE thank you for quick reply. You seem to know a lot about classic druids. Can I ask you a question? I healed all my gaming life and prefer to heal in classic. But ever since TBC came out, I rolled paladin on horde side and healed non-stop. I really liked that I was literally unkillable by enemies...especially in PvP when people just didn’t bother.
In your opinion, if one wants to play Horde, what is the closest class that comes close to Holy Pally? No raiding...just 5 mans dungeons and Battlegrounds. For example when I played holy priests, all it took is one warrior on me and I was deleted...even if I had fear, they could trinket and just smash my face. With a paladin, it didn’t work like that...it was really hard to kill him.
Is it same with druids? Are they equally as hard to kill as holy paladin?
Hey yes, if anything druids, shamans cant get away once someone is on them really. Druids can just spam shift and only hard CC can keep them down.
Despite being hard to kill their heals are overall weaker and vulnerable to dispels and they dont have a ress ability, only combat res, which can be a big problem for dungeons. But for Flag carrying/ harassing and just being super annoying to kill yes druids are the best for horde