7800X3D VS 14900K Warzone 3 MAX OVERCLOCK 😱🖱️🎮
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Came to lol at AMD dip, stayed for the kitty.
No such thing u robot. Fraudulent test to promote bundles..sad..😂
@@BAG97can’t find any other videos on RUclips showing otherwise. You can just Google “7800x3d Warzone stutter” too
People saying this amd dip shit are such shills lol@@BAG97
@@BAG97as someone who has used amd 5800x3d, 7800x3d, and 7950x and also the 7950x3d: the amdip is real. Now I have 14900k. Way more stable
@@Deezorz u live under a rock and ur a lying mouth 🤣😂
This guy gives solid advise. I had an I7 6700k back in the day and swapped to the R7 2700x. It had massive stutter in many games so bad that I went back to the 6700k. Then I finally upgraded to the R7 5700x from the I7 6700k and it seemed ok but didn't feel smooth. It definitly wasn't as smooth as the 6700k but I had already sold that cpu. I swapped to the I7 13700k and I couldn't be happier. So, I've tried AMD on two occasions and ended up swapping back to intel. Think I'm done messing around with AMD cpu's for a while.
Live and Learn
Which framerates and what game are we talking about?
@@samserious1337 cant remember frame rates as it was a while ago for the 2700x. But gta v, fallout 4, cod, battlefield and more were a stuttering mess on the 2700x. Playing halo infinite, cod, rdr2, fa4 (with over 300 mods), cyberpunk, etc all seem to run smoother on the 13700k over the 5700x. The average fps was relativity close but the 1% and .1% lows were definitely noticeable on the 5700x.
@@deansigman6099 And why didn't you buy a 5800X3D then instead of a whole new platform?
@@samserious1337 because amd is dog shit. Tired of messing with them. Between driver issues on there GPUs and bios issues with motherboard it gets old.
i love youre vid's bro but something isn't right, i got my first amd chip 7800X3D always had intel, and i'm getting in the benchmark 580 fps on the cpu you only got 460fps. and the same spot i'm getting 330/380 fps with my 4090 1440p and my 1% low is at 220 fps even when shaking my mouse to death.
Enjoy your purchase
I get 560fps in cpu benchmark with optimizied windows & Corsair ddr5 vengeance 6000 cl30, I cannot make it even dip with shaking in this spot maybe because I’m on controller, I think both are good cpus both do well over 200fps that’s all that matters for me
LOL, "again a tale as old as time" LOLOL😆
that AMDip was a lot worse than i expected lol
But does anyone get why AMD dip exist in general? Maybe somehow community can push AMD to fix it or at least find the root cause?
Chiplet vs monolithic
the dip happens when the cpu has to dip in the ram through the io die (chiplet design), intel doesn't have that because it's just one die (monolithic)
@@Killerspaten Meh, I think thats too general. Its just takes longer, it should not dip, I can see going 10-20 fps less when that happens, not cut fps in half.
@@OrjonZThat's just the downside of Chiplet Architecture. Its not to give Max performance. It's to cut cost. Simple and Plain. It's good. But Monolithic will always be king for gaming. AMD is good when they are the Budget Option.
@@zihechen3111 Yeah. Maybe but it still has the i/o die that implements some Latency. Even with one chiplet.
I for sure want to see the top 3 intel processors running at max ram speed and of with ddr 4 and 5🤙🏼
No because we have ddr5..I'll tell what ddr4 will do even a high binned dual rank Samsung bdie ddr4 kit (which cost way more than the cheapest hynix a 5200 ddr5 kit at like $75 that can be oced to 7000 MT/s+) will over clocked and tighten everything to the floor=just shy of or around garage 4800-5200 speed of with shit micron ics in ddr5 kit at xmp bandwidth wise and of course will have lower latency but not enough for it to matter in most benchmarks and games just like it did when ddr5 first came out on alder lake
Whats the point of that "Compete" system, if you will still get rekt by a Kid on his console with aim assist with locked 60fps? Same thing in counterstrike era, no matter how fancy your hardware is, you will be killed by random dude who runs the game on toaster
You just made it clear that there is a skill issue
@@andrew600hlcan you not read?
@@andrew600hl Untrue. Skill is way more important than hardware. You will never beat skill with better hardware in games. People who buy into that are fools.
CS requires more skills than cod at the highest level
@@andrew600hl Bet you have never played on e-sports level. Guess who here has. I had a relatively crappy computer back then and it didnt stop me from playing well. And nobody is high skilled in every game, I already know you're just mediocre player bigly over estimating yourself from saying that. The best players spend all their time playing just 1 game they are dedicated to. That is the fact. The more you diversify your attention to multiple games, the lower your max skill ceiling becomes in any one of them.
Leila is a gorgeous cat 🐈🥰👍
Great and very informative video once again Jufes 🥰💪👍.
It would be interesting to see this same test run with a 7950x or 7700x vs the 7800X3D
I wanna see that memory comparison. I have i7 13700k And old DDR4 mem. THX
I'd love to see a 12th gen intel there too.
"Smooth gameplay experience" in a Call of Duty game. LOL
Yo Jufes, can't wait to see 14900k with ddr4 4133 cl15/16 vs ddr5 7200 cl32
this is a good one
DDR4 will not have enough bandwidth to feed all the i9 cores, DDR5 will way faster. On average DDR5 6800cl30 was faster 10% than 4133cl15 even on my 13600K
What's the point when you can run 8000+ ddr5? I'm running 8400 36-49-49-106 right now on Apex Encore 13900KS
@@hadleys.4869we might need Jufes to stress test your setup for stability. I call cap
@@Tpecepdid you run 4133mhz cl15 in gear 1? I run my at that speed, and its amazing
I would really like to see a thorough DDR4 vs DDR5 video!
For what? Well tuned ddr5 beats ddr4 all day every day.
@juice7661 $250 mobo vs $700 mobo equals what percentage of performance gain? I just want to see exactly how much performance a $500+ upgrade would get me. I could build a separate 7800x3d/b650e system for the price of an Apex and A die.
@@jjlw2378 I feel like you already know the answer to this, Intel is and has always been the gaming "king" its just that that extra 5% of performance comes at a pretty hefty cost. AMD while not being the best at anything always gives the best value.
9:00 is where the lylar feature is at for those who want the good stuff
lyla*
I play the game from the begining with 7800X3D 64GB DDR5 6000CL30 RX 7900 XTX on 2K display and i never had or see this kind of droping FPS. With SAM ON. Maybe bios update drivers or ram compatability cause this issue.
Right. Such a click bait video with misinformation
Probably unstable ram oc since cl30 6000mhz is the best for the x3d.
This dude has an instable setup^^ this is why he can negate the hundreds of benchmarks that were made with 7800x3d on 1% lows.
a frametime dip is sad but its never cost me a race in forza
major skill issue > latest rig
skylake + b-die = fine
I didn’t have any dips with my Ryzen 7 7800x3d, cl30 6000mhz 2x16gb, RTX 4090 in Warzone ran the same spot you did absolutely nada dips which leads me to believe user error on your end.
damn that was a good demonstration, i don't personally play any games but my friends tell me the intel systems always feel more "responsive", looking at this i guess this is exactly what they are referring to.
I felt it today I was beaming kids of a roof as soon as i get shot I turn my back and start running y insta die cuz the frame dip is horrible on amd
i mean yeah probably a little bit, but that would mean the video is fake? ive been on both amd and intel but i dont play games, i just know my friend who plays fps games talks about how he felt his amd system wasn't as responsive as intel, my guess is this is exactly what he was referring too... i am not a fanboy of either of these 2 billion dollar companies, no one should be, just buy whatever fits you best. @@PedroS-ig1wr
@@OceanopacificoWZ what cpu, gpu and ram do you have?
Ryzen 5800x3d 3800mhz ddr4 and a 3070ti FTWU
its fake brother, check hardware unboxed community post. Also "responsiveness" on desktop can be fixed via choosing a different powerplan, and has nothing to do with actual responsiveness or inputlag in games...
your the only tech tuber i can actually binge watch no matter what you post
I was able to get a 14900k but i chose the Asrock Nova board (awesome combo deal) and decent memory. I am not
A pro-gamer and am quite happy... My Kracken Elite keeps it plenty kewl... Just will miss a few fps, I can live with that... I just find Intel more stable and consistent...
Where tf you all get nova from? I cant find any
@@Tpecep Microcenter was where I got mine.
give me the exact spot! i have a 13900KS /32gb 7200 only but cl32/4090 oc strix and another pc with 7950x3d/same 4090 oc strix /64gb cl30 6000 gskill z and i have almost the same fps 99 and 1% lows with both the systems! i don t have less than 180fps nowhere! maybe 6400 mhz on your amd 7800x3d it is not ok!
I'm not into COD whatsoever and for the game itself i couldn't care less but i'd be really interested in watching you test a tight DDR4 4xxx Mhz Gear1 Kit vs a tight DDR5 8xxx Mhz Kit.
6800-7000 outperforms 4xxx in most of the scenarios, because of the bw superiority. There was an esport fps title that benefits more from lower latency, Valorant if I'm not mistaken
Oh maaan , this video just absolutely annihilated every single amd fanboy , best video ive ever seen in tech part of youtube , that sweet 90 fps with am deep mmmm so good to see it
Annihilated? I have a 7800x3d/4090. FPS is capped at 300 on the in game counter. I just finished instellar and at the top of my multiplayer leaderboards. You saying someone else would need a 6ghz intel to do that?
@@jleblanc26 I mean Intel has the best 1% and 0.1% lows but yeah, all that tuning and effort you gotta put in your RAM to get there + drop nearly $1K on a motherboard that can reach those speeds with RAM. 7800X3D will do in many games better, while in some worse, but you don't need to tinker around with your RAM to get there. So for most gamers 7800X3D makes more sense.
@@dex4sure361 I will never bash intel one way or another. They have good stuff and if you want to put the heat to them, you can. For the majority of people you don’t need all the wattage or fast memory. For that reason. I don’t really need a 4090, but i plan on having this GPU hold me through several generations of updates.
Honest question, in the beginning when comparing the in game MW3 benchmark you say the Intel cpu has better 1% lows, but its really only better by 6 frames. The AVG on the 7800X3D is higher so wouldn't that be smoother? Correct me if im wrong but the way I interepreted it is that the intel CPU would have better 1% lows but by a larger margin than 6 frames. Love the content.
he just hates amd lol. who's on top right now the shit amd company or intel lol.
what happened to intel stability with recent chip (they are still not sure how to scam people admit there chips were massively OC or give them 100 plus profiles so if anyone claim chip isn't working they could say you need to use that 99 profile) also dude use multipe gpu for testing recently amd fixed 4070 super card issue with bios update for msi i believe and if you post video at least have some heart to face some criticisms as my post was removed earlier
interesting to know if 14th gen like 14700k do something better in terms of memory controller and memory compatibility.
20 cores, 28 thread and 5.6ghz, isn't crazy?
If you're the whippy type of player like shroud on M&KB a dip like that will 100% lose you gunfights
I understand that some people “call him out” for showing AMD dip since they themselves do not experience it. No systems are identical, even with the same hardware. So as someone who pretty much only plays CoD I do appreciate him showing that one COULD have the problem of AMD dip. And that chance alone is enough for me to go with intel even when they are usually a bit more expensive.
@K31TH3R
"You're getting FPS fluctuations from IF error correction caused by an unstable FCLK and/or insufficient spreads of CLDO VDDG IOD and VDDG CCD that is reducing IF signal SNR. Incorrect CLDOs for the SoC voltage and FCLK frequency can degrade SNR and cause non-verbose error correction on the IF link between the IMC and CCD, this will cause stutters whenever error correction is present on the IF. You can either reduce the FCLK/MCLK so you can run auto CLDO (noob method) or you can do a manual binary search of VDDG CCD and run DRAM read bandwidth tests with different CLDO CCD values until the number comes to a peak (competent method).
CLDO VDDG's are problematic on AMD and they often sabotage otherwise good system builders when this problems crops up at high FCLK/MCLK. Per Sampson, AMD is working on adding automatic CLDO tuning functionality to Ryzen Master to help people unfamiliar with tuning on AMD to reach higher FCLK/MCLK stable without error correction kicking in and causing FPS fluctuations.
Stabilize the FCLK/MCLK by either reducing them until you can run Auto VDDG CCD stable, or work on dialing VDDG IOD/CCD in until DRAM bandwidth peaks and there are also no WHEA 19 errors present in event viewer. Correctly tuned, the error correction stops, the FPS fluctuations go away, and you'll see the 7800X3D either match or exceed the 0.1% and1% lows of 13th and 14th gen Intel.
Granted, tuning AMD correctly is a PITA and it's way more time consuming versus Intel, but this "AM dip" thing you talk about is not actually a problem inherent to Ryzen, it's due to IF error correction caused by incorrect CLDOs in relation to the SoC voltage and FCLK/MCLK frequency."
@@dingir1000 did K31TH3R delete all his comments?
@@Vlad-jy9ls he did not. It was chanell owner probably
@@dingir1000 no quality information allowed
Intel + Nvidia just works and is still the best combo... imagine that, it's been like that for 20 years.
Was GPUUploadHeaps:0.0 = "false" for testing in cod config? It has been causing mad dips across the board if enabled on big maps. Good shit as always though.
great point makes quite a difference !
I dont know what happened there bur with 3d cip i don`t have the 1% low like in this video , let the ram act cl30 at 6000 and retest all default ,clear u did it wrong in the bios , BTW I am not fanboy of intel or amd i had both of them on my deks I still use parts from both of the companies .
this is really interesting. I’m running the 7800x3d in my gaming rig now and my 1% and 0.1% are pretty tight even with whipping around to force textures, although I dont play warzone so is this maybe warzone specific? any tips on recreating the issue for testing? also cute kitty :)
To recreate the issue, simply fudge up the IF to cause latency issues with Ryzen.
His a fraud . There is no such thing as amdip. Cheack hardwareunboxed even tested it. False claims to promote his bundles ..😂😂
Just tried it myself in Warzone at the same spot and there was zero dip, he intentionally gimps Ryzen so he can sell intel bundles and consults.
@@ryancharles9375 i was thinking about buying 7800x3d but now i am getting cold feet. I just wanna play Warzone. Could you make a video? Cant find anything except for this.
@@ryancharles9375 yeah im busy downloading warzone to test it out, i highly doubt i can recreate it, every other game has been extremely tight
Just picked up the 7800X3D
XD
@@GoldenEagle0007 The first 24 hours have been great so far. Been stable with 6000 CL30 memory
just say youre poor and go
Curious to see what a 7950x would do. Not the 3d version. Thinking maybe the 8 cores can’t handle the quick movements or is it the same with 16 cores?
intel cpu's are also better for reverse engineering as well they have something called IPT (intel processor trace) , u can use that to trace returns from calls and much easily reverse engineer stuff , something that amd doesn't have an equivalent
Really useful and relevant for any gamer, underrated comment
Intel seems to be bullshit on gaming, amd is winning with hands down, lower power usage, lower voltage, lower frequency.
You are not even optimize the x3d chips to achive maximum performance with PBO while on the intel side you overclock it till maximum limits. Very bad comparison in my opinion
That AMDip tho...........absolutely brutal
It's AyyyyMD after all though, what did you expect?
Amd dip is a lie
I haven't played a tournament since the i7-990X was top dog, but at that time I had one and a super expensive 30GB SSD to get my games to run as fast as possible. PC gaming is the same as racing cars: fast, cheap, reliable. Pick two.
Top dog now just dog
@@SamLoki They all get replaced as the years go by man.
I’m new to pc world and I’m going down a rabbit hole an expensive one at that,😂and I feel like everyone I talk to is a pro optimizer and knows everything. But really their talking out their you know what.! haha. Then the one person who I want to have work on my pc I can’t. Totally sucks. Please help me !!!!
im looking into new PC build but im not sure what platform to choose AM5 or going back to intel, I'm not looking for that 0.1% fastest setup in the world, im on am4 platform 5600x atm
i was also looking into 7800X3D but im also open for intel setups, also its looks like you can get things done even cheaper with intel platform. I'm that kind of guy who looking deals on ebay etc and i build step by step
My 13900K blue screens so much, it’s the windows 11 home edition having issues with the i9 I’m tired of it tried all different parts different cpu switching to 7800x3d
How do you know for certain is your i9? Bet you something else is going on. Unlikely blue screens are caused by CPU issues
Holy shit, that’s the worst 1% low I’ve seen. I’m might actually have to sell my 7800x3d
My shit doesn’t dip at all, 7800x3d with a 7900xtx. Lowest I’ve seen my fps get on big map is 220 highest is 290ish and around 260ish is the average. Resurgence I get over 300 consistent.
It sucks to see video like this and to not be able to have you help me on my pc.
Can you do a undercoated 14700k vs a stock 7800x3d.
I want to know if even after Intel improves their temps if they are better then a stock 7800x3d.
Good thing I play mine sweeper competitively
Not to mention, besides that one single solitary game. The 14900k 4090 combo is so laughably dominate it's not even funny. Then, considering workload stuff, the 7800x3d is literally a third of the i9 when it comes to multi-tasking and work related raw processing power, like video editing and etc.
Even AMDs flagship R9 7950x needs to be at negative 140c to compete in cinebench with a room temp aio cooled 14900k lol. Idk bout ya all, but I like to breathe and multitask, so ln2 cooling for daily driving is a no-go 😅. Ill stick with a 14900k and hopefully soon ks.
Exactly dude the 7800x3d is AMD’s best CPU and the only one that matters on Zen 4. However the CPU it’s self is a one trick pony being great at only games that benefit from 3D v cache. Games and applications that don’t benefit make it slower than the 7700x in performance. It’s not great at multitasking because only 8 cores and 16 threads. The best all a rounder is the i7 14700k and the best you can get is an i9 14900k hands down. The 7950x3d is overpriced hot garbage. It’s a 16 core 32 SMT CPU that cuts its cores in half in order to take advantage of 3D v cache. Along with it having no scheduler to give it consistent performance and use the right CCD cores.
7950x is still a great cpu
@yamsbeans agree, and I hope AMD catches up or even beats the i9 here shortly. It only benefits us as a consumer if they do in reality instead of carefully crafted influencer lobbying. Guess what, Im a tech nerd. Even currently running a 14900k and apex encore with a liquid cooled 4090 n cpu, I'll still be one of the first on HWbot overclocking the "8950x" or whatever the name ends up being lol. This whole pick a side and not pick the best for our application blows my freaking mind, yet that is called brand loyalty, and that is exactly what good marketers do so hats off to AMDs marketing team lol.
i am interested if the dips have become less bad over time or the same as day one
Worried about dips? Don't go AMD. Can you remove it from AMD? Yes but that's more of a FAFO you do because you are bored sometimes and you are a hardcore PC nerd.
I run a 7800x3d with 6950xt. No oc on cpu, light uv on gpu...i use lgcx tv no monitor so limited to 120hz but 4k@120 amd even 1440p, every single game is 100% smooth with ultra setting except cod...cod always has a stutter i cant figure why...was hoping ocing the cpu would fix that now guessing not
Your GPU bottlenecked.
@@ZackSNetwork could be but it seems to have worked it self out with the recent updates...its runs nice and smooth now no matter what settings i put it in
for a fraction of the price the 7800x3d shits on 139/149000k. If you are worried about 1% lows cap your frames to your monitor refresh rate with RIVATUNER and the 1% lows DESTROY intel. Crazy huh. Hit apex pred and radiant. Seriously anyone reading this if you only game please save your money and go with the 7800x3d which is not on a end of life motherboard.
How?
You must have a 60hz monitor/tv. Good for you for not biting into that apple.
You could also spend half of what the x3d costs if all you need are 90fps 1% lows. Pretty sure any i3 from the last two intel generations will do that.
haha nice bait.@@sirrogerdegelder5365
@@Jacob-dw4vd Yes you could. But try stick with me and the only reason for the entire video you might have half paid attention to. This is for people wanting the best. And it's between these 2 chips. trying to get a stable 240-360hz. And if all you do is game it's a no brainer to go for 7800x3d.
No mention of infinity fabric clock on the AMD system?
2000mhz
@@FrameChasers Jufus, I can't get my 7800x3D to dip like yours does. What am I doing wrong?
@@2maac550probably becouse your pc is stable , jufes overclock is not so it have bad 1% fps :)
@@2maac550 Try moving your mouse, or looking at a frametime graph.
@@Jacob-dw4vd Doh... really??
So I built my own computer but I have NO idea how to optimize for gaming in general. I have Intel 14900k, z790 dark hero, rog strix 4090 OC, and 64 gb ddr5 6400 ram. I mainly play destiny 2 on a 240hz 1440p monitor, but I don't hit max frames where it matters. I'm not looking to overclock, I just want my game to run as well as it can.
this validates the reason to support this channel
what about MMO players, playing open world events with hundreds/thousands characters moving and casting skills at the same time in the screen?
They never show their 1% lows? lmfao, you can say anything on the internet and get away with it
Wouldn't it be more realistic to compare the 14900K vs 7950x3d? Or a 7900x3d?
7800x3d is mostly better than the 7900x3d
Nice video but can we have same thing on the new warzone with 4080,4090 and 7900xt/x.
p.s show more your cat :D
Interesting results. With my maxed out oc on 5950x 4.7GHZ, 6900xt 2.75 GHZ and double rank ddr4 3800c16 get 235fps average 1440p. Things changes because my results on warzone 2 were bad. Better optimisation on 16cores cpu in this game ?
Good video Jufes. Not suprised about your findings.
can u replicate the dip also if u change "renderworkercount" from 8 to 7 or even 6? would be interesting to know.
The ryzen architecture can't even use the effective bandwidth from DDR5 because of fabric clock limitations. So ddr5 at 6000mt is effectively 96gb/s but fclk of 2000 limits that to 64gb unless you're using dual ccd chips (7800x3d is single ccd). Dipping into weak bandwidth from super fast L3$=AMDip.
Fabric clock clocks higher on the x3d single ccd 7800 then the normal 7000 series chips the only hard thing about x3d is cooling them due to the stacked cache preventing good transfer between the ihs
I'm been tempering I've found leaving stock expo and all cores minus 20 pbo to be the sweetspot for me I've tried going higher and core 7 crashes core 2 and 4 are fastest and dont crash all way to minus 38pbo
@levispartan1993 yeah me too. Having PBO curve optimiser any more than-20 causes instability. Still trying to lower my ram timings but it's not easy getting DDR5 stable even when pumping it with voltage
The cores are not as powerful as intel that's why u get the dip in fps cause of instability the cores all need to be boosting I don't know if it's just x3d chips or all 7000 series
yeah we will see how intel does next year on chiplets (tiles) its gonna be a very different story on those 1% lows
@@kramnull8962dont even have a pc bro lol
Nothing ever changes.
Should also restart the 1% lows for both systems, keep it fair. We as viewers have no ability to make intricate comparisons like this, I would appreciate it.
You understand he had to reset the amd one because it would have remained 90 fps as low. The intel not being reset would have been easier for the amd cpu to perform better. Him not resetting the intel is giving the amd cpu a handicap.
Im pulling 200+ fps in 4K on my 7800x3d 7900xtx build. I do miss my Intel Nvidia build though.
On call of duty?????
Oh yeah same I’m at 250 capped most times at 1440p in the 24/7 mp meat server 7900xtx/7800x3d stock loving it . I do miss my older intel/nvidia setup but COD is definitely not one of the reasons
@@driptic yep on the new map. I didn't hit those numbers on Al Mazarah
@@jasonb252 on warzone??? In 4k??? Im so confused how is that even possible. Holy shit thats sick
@@driptic yes sir I'll post a video on my RUclips channel later
Buy intel . good for your mental health ( i come from amd💀 )
@@nivea878 if you havé drop fps and you are okay with that ils okay
7800x3d is very good for just 8 cores. Maybe some drivers, games update and Windows optmization could improve. That drops on 1% lows are not hapening here, 7600mhz CL36. 7900xtx GB Gaming OC. Im not AMD fan boy, but decided to try, no complains yet. Intel should build the dream CPU, 14900k3d
Just get amd guys 👍🏼
Feel like a lot of what you said in this video is something you would make fun of if the shoe was on the other foot. You show the 7800X3D being faster and then make up excuses for how slightly lower 1% lows are a huge deal and neglect the average higher FPS. Huge dips in 1% lows can definitely be annoying and bad, but even with your 90fps example that would be super noticeable from 200+ fps so I have to wonder if that's even accurate from the RT overlay since you expressed some doubt in that figure. Would also be interesting to see the performance between the two with relatively stock/XMP settings to ensure there aren't weird instabilities causing that like a lot of other comments are claiming.
I find hilarious that amd fans try to deny this
Hilarious how you believe one video with faulty testing, justifies overpriced Intel i gueds
Is there a synthetic benchmark that would test for this dipping behavior consistently accross CPUs?
nope
Ah shit, here we go again.
ultra modded skyrim chokes on any turdzen
Is the story the same whether its 1080p or 4k? Also is there a difference if the game was designed for xbox? I would have figured a game like halo thats designed for xbox would have a leg up on AMD
Unfortunately no there are no benefits from AMD just because games were made for the consoles in most cases it’s the opposite. Games like Starfield perform better on Nvidia GPU’s and Intel CPU’s.
@ZackSNetwork such a shame! Hopefully they step their game up. I went with AMD due to the slightly better price and similar benchmarks....
Can you fine tune memory timings and try again? HU showed video where DDR fine tuning has huge impact on Ryzen performance.
Thank God I'm not the only one who knows about this
The i9 uses far more power and gets hotter. So even if money is no concern, that's something to heavily consider.
Sure Warzone favors Intel and people playing for money would rather choose it, but these CPUs don't show the same results in every competitive game.
Not to throw shade on Jufes and his work, but Warzone isn't even the most played competitive fps. In many others, the brand difference is almost negligible.
If playing warzone/cod, go intel. Everything else, more research needed but the answer isn't as obvious.
CS2 is a game AMD outperforms intel in, in large part due to the high amount of cache. Similar case with valorant and battlefield.
Overwatch and Fortnite don't seem to do worse on either or CPU. I have a 13900K but I see the value in having so much cache. The X3D CPUs are really something else.
Obviously a CPU with 24 cores uses more power than a CPU with 8 cores use your brain. However do to the 3D v cache and the very dense thick IHS cover the 7800x3d gets significantly hotter than an I9 and is harder to cool in general. The x3D chips are incredibly niche and one trick ponies.
@@ZackSNetwork I think you're probably right, I haven't researched enough.
@@ZackSNetworkYou are a talking sh*t lol, 7800x3d gets to 70°C max while gaming with a semi decent air cooler (Phantom Spirit).. while your i9 can pretty much only be cooled with liquid cooling. Mobile furnace.
7800x3d can run on a620 that comes with 88w PPT limit People here clearly don't make a difference between 70 degrees at 60 watts and 70 degrees at 200 watts
@@wattomaster 70c max? My 13900k is around 85c on sustained loads, on a $150 air cooler. That's normal boosting, no overclocking.
Although the Amdip is a good find
I still feel that Benchmarks are a good way to make both CPUs you are comparing, have the same face-off vs random in game events.
I still personally do both when testing different configurations.
Games are dynamic, not static, same way a synthetic mark shouldn't be the telling factor of real world, a game benchmark shouldn't.
People should be pushing for real-world data over a larger data series, it's more telling and accurate.
@@NocFA A games built in benchmark is scalable within that benchmark. It is "static" to that game and that game only. It's a good tool to use for comparing different hardware/settings for worse case scenarios exclusive to said game.
That's why I do both...
What mainboard did you use with the 7800X3D?
Great video as usual Jufes.
He seems to always get bad bins for his AMD chips. Ideally you'd test multiples 7800X3Ds and with different components.
Realistically it's too much to ask for but he too easily dismissed AMD, especially since outside of Warzone it's not so black and white.
Some competitive games AMD isn't as bad, sometimes they outperform intel. If you're playing for money, consider which brand vibes more with your competitive fps.
@@mycelia_ow Well "it just has to work" kind of means that you cannot get multiple "bad bin" CPUs and expect to keep on buying more to get one that is better. Anyhow, that behaviour that he is referring to as AMDip, is probably not bin related, but a feature of the architecture of the CPU.
I love that you step up your game and trying to give people who run wagers and are more competitive the best PC performance! Love that
Can you tune down 8000 Ram to 6400 and have like cl 24 or 26 or lower on the amd system 🤔 dude I'm really curious about those results and ditto on the Intel system too
CL 28 is the lowest u can go with ddr5
You can't convince a AMD fanboy, just the other day some1 was posting about their 7950 and WZ, its not a gaming cpu, it's impossible to reason with them, they will complain about their Video drivers, but yet nothings wrong.
OMG, from 250 to 90 fps, lmao!!! 😁😁😁 Those aren't even dips anymore, they are fucking crash landings! And it's getting even worse as time goes on!
I thought you articulated your points and where you are coming from when you are making recommendations really well here. 👌👌
So refreshing to see how much this guy gets it, keep doing what you do, he’s literally the only guy on RUclips keeping keeping it all the way 💯, giving you the proof and the pudding, never lose that integrity my guy!
he gets more money with the more expensive intel shit.... also intels need big expensive cooling and oc manual that is exactly what he sells.... notice if you want to be honest , how he moove the mouse on amd and in intel..... i never saw a mouse move that fast loool like he had a aimbot... theres already videos on youtube how this guy faked this shit.... now intel is probably better but amd is way cheaper.
so would you recommend a 13700k over the 7800x3d to pair with a 4070? i’ve been debating which cpu to get and which one would best suit the 4070.
Both of those CPU’s are overkill for a RTX 4070. I would recommend a I5 13600k for gaming. If you need more cores though for workstation applications go for the I7 13700k then.
@@ZackSNetworkhe should just get the 7800x3d its better on every way lol
Those chips will also be future proof and should last you a while @@Hugo_Seraqui
I wont be buying a dead platform that can heat up my room.
does the same amd dip happen with controller? kkind of a dumb question
Yeah. That's the downside of the Chiplet architecture. Since it has to access memory through the i/o die its gonna have some inherent Latency. The benefit of chiplet architecture is its cheaper to manufacture for AMD. But it only makes sense to us consumers when AMD passes those savings on to us. Like they did when they dropped the 7800X3D to $299 for that short period. Other than that, You are paying for an inferior experience if you care about 1% lows and smoothness of your games.
@@Beltronicsx well many AMD cpus clearly have the poor 1% lows behaviour in situations like this. You can perhaps provide proof that yours does not?
AMD makes 90% margin on manufacturing cost of their consumer chips, and on enterprise it's closer to 99%. They aren't passing savings onto anyone!
@@NUCLEARARMAMENT Exactly. But, The Fanboys will tell you. AMD Saved PC Gaming. AMD actually cares about Gamers. LMFAO. HAHAHHAHA! AMD a Corporation just like all the other ones, They don't care about you. They care about profits and their Shareholders.
@@Beltronicsx great that you are making the screen recording. Verified data is always better. Anyhow, what are you referring to with the "get over it" saying?
I have a 5950X based gaming + work PC myself and 5600H based laptop. It would be to my benefit if AMD CPUs were perfect.
@@Beltronicsx why would I? Those god awful terrible for my other use cases. And here on this very video was a x3d chip stuttering in gaming also.
just switched to 79xtx paired with 58x3d cause i could find the 4090 msrp so i got impatient
Thanks for the information, keep posting more videos
Windows 10 vs Windows 11…who’s using what and why?
Hi my friend, what about 14700kf setup vs 7800x3d for games like PUBG mainly, and warzone and cs go? i just want more 1% lows and performance in competitive matches, im pubg pro player, with 9000 hours.
iam new to pc but -30 fps in the 1%lows should mean much tho when you still have 200+ fps already
this is true if anyone tried dota 2 on 4k playing custom games where theres alot of cpu involvement it totally starts studdering 30-50 -90 fps my amd 5950x cannot keep up whats so ever. Intel cpu are so much smoother on desktop you can feel it and it shows here.
Is it Worth moving on from 12900k? I have been looking to build something new should I go to 13900k or 14900k? Or stay where I am at and wait for next gen. New to optimizing and pushing my system. love this channel and learning a lot. keep up the great content.
im on a 12900k, went from DDR4 4000c19 super loose timings to 4000C14 super tight and my fps in most games that struggled to get 360 easily hit 500 now seems like faster ram is a better play before new CPU if you dont have good ram yet, worst case you can bring it over to a 14900k or if ur waiting for the 15900k (i personally think the 15900k will obsolete 12-14th gen so im waiting)
Wait for next gen with 1851 socket. 12900k still very competitive.
Is this at 1080p? Dlss on at what setting ? Graphics all set to minimum? I'm curious as to what setup was for the test. Thanks to anyone who knows
So for single player controller ryzen 3d is good enough.
Basically
Ur a legend I do not want my game dropping 90fps😂
You should really do this in pubg as well. A very cpu heavy unreal 4 engine game that has epic fps issues between diff cpu models. Its the most cpu heavy game out there, which gets 10x worse in competition when there are many alive in a small urban space