Pure Incompetence. (Jay React)
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Bro Linus and Jay complanin' 'bout nvidia's charts and then doin' the same thang is ironic af
Exactly
The funny thing is, most RUclipsrs grab a 4090 and pair it with out of date parts. Ontop of that they leave everything stock.
that only helps the consumer on a base lvl. not on a advanced lvl.
but to be fair, your not an advanced user until you put in 4-5 years of research & the physical work.
Preach@@silfrido1768
great point lol
Yeah, these two are definitely entertainment channels lol
Jay: "You NEED this Cablemod 90 degree adapter."
Cablemod: "That was expensive."
But thats not Jays fault, thats the bullshit from Nvidia with their stupid new Powerplug, everything was fine before but hey why WE dont send 600w of Power through little tiny Pins 😂
I met you at CES this year. I told you that I enjoyed your channel and appreciated your work. You asked me what I like about your channel. This video and others like it is what I like about your channel. Thank you.
What do you like about this one??? Him making fun of someone that is going through things lately and maybe his content quality dropped a bit but still tries?? Or that he was talking crap about Asus but then he cosied up when he met them and chickened to open his gob and let it all out. Because I am 101% sure he would chicken laughing at Jay's face about port royal too.
@@sv0g391 Integrity suffer no "quality drop" nor "going through things", you have it or you don't.
@@selmevias1383 Jay def has integrity. He cut a sponsor out of his channel. Some little boy here trashed them on the Dark Hero "review" and then cosied up on them... mind you the sponsor of the first sentence is the same one this one cosied up to. I just hope this video has nothing to do with it. (/insert conspiracy level:medium)
@@sv0g391 The video being reviewed here prove that he haven't.
@@selmevias1383 well... you seem to be arrogant about a few things.
By the way... I hit over 8000 stable for over a day until I stopped the test myself on ddr5 on a Z790 Formula with an SP95 14900K (MC83).
I advise you to watch some of Jay's vids and support the dude. At least he is not trying to sell you consultation over building a pc for the price of a new cpu 😅
Jay is sick. I haven't been watching his videos lately but that may have something to do w the minimal effort.
is the second time crank up the 4090 with afterburner just cut out or do u forget ? have a n1 one
Hi Framechaser, I wanted to know if you could talk about the premature degradation problem of the 13th and 14th gen i9s Intel even changed the specs on the official page for example the 13900ks went from 5600mhz all core to 5400mhz! Have you noticed similar problems? Thank you in advance for your answer.
My friends overclock started crashing after about 6, months is that the. Reason?
@@worldwar208 Maybe what we can read on Reddit, etc... The problem would come from consumption but nothing very clear and no one talks about it!
I had the same issue with my 13900K. The CPU was completely unusable. Even installing C++ or Steam were causing hard lock or even BSOD. So the CPU was RMA'ed by Intel. Since then (October 2023), I have a 13900KS and it begins to have the same behavior ... Changing SVID Behavior or LLC does nothing. Raptor Lake generation is as fragile as porcelain, unbelievable that there is no statement by Intel so far. And yet Reddit or Overclock net posts appear constantly on this subject... I've got a multitude of chips of the Skylake Era and no one failed like that even overclocked with high daily voltages ... Using a Raptor Lake SKU during 6-9 months without any OC and the CPU is wrecked ... What the hell Intel ...
@@ColonelStrikedamn I always assumed Intel cpus were just perfectly reliable. Ive bought used ones and never had a problem without physical damage.
Been running multiple 13900KS and 14900K chips at 5.7-5.8 all core for a long time and have no issues with crashing. Crashing is likely because cooling is simply insufficient.
When it comes to gaming it's not about mega transfers. It's about latency, and less mt can run at lower latency and power, leaving more room for core to power up. What can one do for those who don't know
He is no different from LinusTechTips, all they care about is money & views.
I'll go one step further Jaytwocents channel is not even doing good anymore he has 4million subs and is getting 100-200k views on a video that is terrible not even a quarter of the people clicking on his videos.
Wow that's dumb. 1 proof
2. Ironic you say that
39 subs. No room to talk here bud
Dude even my most viewed trumps your highest view count. So put up higher numbers..then talk trash. K thanks
big L for jay, when he didn't even show the lows or bother with the timings. such a bad vid that even his own commenters call BS
L for your how bout L for that sub count ya got. Pathetic
@@cooleyYT imagine being so pathetic a kid bragging about 290 subs for brainrot content that barely pulls 100 views..
lol. lmao get real
I love Jay, but he makes some really weird and stupid mistakes. He made a fan "guide" talking about the types of fan bearings and which are best, but confused fluid dynamic bearings with sleeve bearings. He was actually telling people to stay away from fans like Be Quiet! and Noctua with FDB bearings and to go and buy cheap sleeve bearing fans! It was SOOOO bad. Anyone with grinding fans in a few years who watched his video are going to be pissed. Pretty sure my fact check comment was deleted or buried. XD
what you say these cheap fans are not good ? well jay made me buy them all
I started watching Linus and Jay. But as i've progressed into tuning my PCs I tend to watch GN, DerBauer, Skatterbench and here most recently.
I mean u only gave useless names for the tuning scene but ok.
Skatterbench hella good cpu overclocker
@@alexandrulascu6436 well maybe share some knowledge instead of just being a troll
add Actually Hardcore Overclocking to that list great content
Damn no mention of buildzoid? I learned the basics of ram tuning from him few years ago.
Jay isn't clueless, he must know better. At bare minimum, faster RAM will improve your minimum and low frame rates. Which means it's actually one of the most important components to have configured correctly for smooth game play.
overclocking an XMP 5200 to 6400 / 6800? possible? Corsair? Don't want $hitstone in my pc ever.
Jay wanted me to let you know you ran the 4800mhz benchmark at default power limits on the 4090. #Stopthemisinformation
Damn I actually found a youtuber who know what they are talking about and they game !!! Sorry at Frame Chasers but I had to smash the subscribed button and looking forward to future videos
any good guides out there you recommend for RAM overclocking?
I’m working on it
@@FrameChasers Oh that's neat.
Look, I am NOT a 1%er, an Esports Gamer, nor will I spend $6K or $10k on a computer, just being up front with you. But I AM an engineer, I want the best for my money, and I like HONEST and ACCURATE information. My builds buy your standards are definitively sub-par (currently an Asrock Nova with a 14900K and slower memory) but they are built with information I hope is accurate and they are the best I can get for my money. I appreciate honesty and candor, and would love more videos tearing apart any major tech-tuber for in accurate information as Steve @GN, Linus etc.
Thanks for you work and I am sure your community will grow! :-)
Bro I watched his video and couldn't believe it. Mind blown smdh
Yup and the video about “Does cleaning your old GPU improve performance” was even worse.
They observed high temperatures and after taking it apart it was then disclosed that one of his friends attempted to service it once before and screwed everything up. Missing thermal pads, loose screws, who knows what else.
Video should have been about a sealed never opened GPU from say 2017 to see exactly what things look like inside, not some mess that someone else already did once before.
Jay does have health problems so maybe that’s why such low effort content but the RAM video blew my mind how bad it was.
Where is the Asus Ai overclock vs manual OC Video??? Would love to see that. Good work so far.
No time
It's embarrassing. Before I knew anything about pcs I thought Gamers Nexus and JayTwosCents were the smart tech tubers.
Jays definitely where you go for water cooling. Anything else, eh.
Me too lol
I commented and even said Jayz tripping I literally gained 20+ frames going from 6800mhz to 7600mhz 👀
Only worth it at 1080p low detail 🤷🏻♂️
Gained 20 fps on what exactly?
In modern warfare my 7800x3d gained over 100 fps from tuning my fclk, bclk, llc on low-medium, overclocked my 7200mhz cl 34 to 7400mhz, - pbo offset of 25 & a few other settings in bios
z4792 I did a GOTG benchmark I went from 244fps to 266fps I have it on my channel
z4792 also this was on 3440x1440p UW with a 14900k @5.8Ghz E-cores 4.6ghz with a 4090 Tuf
Would you get the same benefits in 4k and 1440p increasing the ram speed? Are there some diminishing returns in higher resolutions?
@JesusisLordSEEK What cpu/gpu are you running? I have a 7800x3d with cl30 6000mhz ram and was debating on messing with the ram a bit but idk if it's really worth it.
As a pc builder my self the only thing i wanna say is THANK YOU BROOOO! You have no idea how many pcs built by people who have no idea on the true needs in gaming and productivity are coming to me to get tuned or fixed.
Best tech yt right here yall. No bs, informative videos that are actually gonna boost your pc’s performance
I just bought 7200 memory for my 7800x3d that was on my MB QVL list. I ran it stock(4800) to see results. Then I turned DOCP even with non tuned memory I see pretty significant gain. My system overall feels way for responsive. Thanks for the video you got a new subscriber
6000 beats 7200 on ryzen 7000...
Basic common PC knowledge... except there's basically zero real world difference between 7200 and 6000 on Ryzen.
Should have saved yourself some money.
@@guyzer75 Its a CPU with Cache stacked on top of it so RAM latency and speed isn't much of a boost in performance compared to normal CPU.
I love it when these tech tubers do RAM tests with no knowledge. Its always synethatic benchmarks and GPU Bound scenearios like that's going to show anything lmao.
Legit just commented this on someone else’s comment lol.
They are the first to pick a 4090 & pair it with shitty parts & not even tune the system.
and that only helps on a base level, not on a advanced lvl.
but to be fair if you haven’t put in 4-5 years in this field then your not an advanced user.
but we have people like jay so it doesn’t even matter 😂. clearly years doesn’t matter
how often are you cpu limited playing games? yeah they could test it in a way to show the actual differences in the ram but if its not going to matter in 95% of scenarios then who cares. he showed that for most people the ram won't matter much and for the people that it will make a difference, well they are already know that. you people are so quick to try and point out a flawed testing method that you don't even realize that the ting you want is just as far fetched of a testing method. from a new or beginner perspective his testing was completely fine.
@@tomgreene5388 that’s the thing, a lot of people are not beginners. Hense why he’s roasting jay. He most likely feels like he should know what he knows 🤷🏼
@@tomgreene5388 there’s people out there that want a rock solid 144 fps experience out there with no stutters or frame drops. A lot of modern games these days that struggle to hit 144 FPS such as Starfield, Hogwarts Legacy, Star Wars, Battlefield, Need for speed and so on. A good memory kit is only a bit more expensive but can make your 1% and 0.1% frame times so much smoother and massively reduce stutters that occur mid action or texture streaming.
@@silfrido1768 if yall think jay doesn't know the info you are stating then you are trippin. of course he knows it, he's done all levels of overclocking and benchmarking. i just know that most of his videos and info is shown in a new user friendly way. he for sure should have at least said that there is ways of testing to see the differences but i don't think its as bad as people are saying. and this is coming from a pretty nuetral viewpoint, i don't even really care for his videos all that much.
It's even worse with stock market influencers. Even legit guys worth $300 million begged their audience not to buy Nvidia stock at $400/share and today it's $800/share. I know it's unrelated, but if you can't think for yourself in 2024 you're gonna get wrecked in all your pursuits.
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@@ryoannazuk949 no one mentioned any meme stocks
@@ryoannazuk949 ohhhhh ok you’re just a super fun troll. what a silly cutie. all you wee little trolls know Nvidia is the third largest company in the world 😘
@@ryoannazuk949 you’re so cute
@@ryoannazuk949 your diction and syntax and reiteration of common Reddit platitudes convey your ignorance, how many shares do you own? What was forward p/e when you purchased? Have you purchased put protection to hedge your investment? What impressed you most about the the last earnings call? The only meme here is your adorable trolly sentiment. Best of luck!
Wow. "Cant make this shit up." That statement says it all. I saw the video and thought he was on crack. Why would companies sell faster ram? Faster ram exists for a purpose.
I saw Jayz thumbnail and title, chuckled to myself and thought I can't wait until Jufes sees this one lol
Thanks to you Jufes I knew not to even bother clicking the video. 👍
LOL!!!!!!! I knew someone would end up calling out Jay on that video, and alas the youtube algorithm recommended a video from a channel that did just that. That was so hard to watch I was laughing. As soon as I saw the 6400 being beaten by a JEDEC setup I knew something was amiss. I assumed it was just a junk kit of RAM with high speed but atrocious timings, but ya know, you're probably right it was just unstable and he didn't bother to stability test it before running benchmarks.
8:32 lol, come on man that's not the AMD experience. Unless you buy a shit RAM kit or have a good one but don't enable EXPO, then yeh, it's brutal but then 4800 is just brutal on both platforms. So brutal you can FEEL it like you showed on your video. A proper 6000-6400 kit with proper EXPO timings is a great experience however.
you're using a 4090? of course you'll have better performance.
the Gain you get from ram high ram speeds for a someone who is NEW to PC gaming is negligible. 10-15 fps for $100 more is not worth the price especially if youre new to pc why not spend the money elsewhere; that's the point of jays video.
I respect your overclocking videos, you don't have to click bait for views
@FrameChasers wouldn’t playing at 1080p have more impact on the cpu vs playing at 4k? Would that not tax the cpu ram a bit differently than playing at 4k and having the vram on the gpu used more? I seriously don’t know and would be interested in watching or hearing more. Just trying to learn
He also used AI CPU overclocking which I can almost guarantee would not be consistent swapping from one ram kit to another. I don’t know how tangible of a difference that would make but in principle, it is definitely a variable that needs to be avoided when you’re conducting a test with intent to prove something.
but thats the most likely thing that a good amount of users will do. most people dont have much experience and will do the basics to get performance boost. the way i see it jay was doing the testing from a new user pov and it wasn't as mad as everyone is making it seem. he should have clarified it but overall not that bad.
@@tomgreene5388 Overclocking is not the issue, it’s the Asus AI method that is the issue. The AI is using the hardware at its disposal to decide what it can get away with. When you change ram kits this drastically, you are changing the conditions that the AI is using to determine its best case overclock. Now, if we were using a static overclock with static voltage, that would be more of a constant for the test. Again, no matter how big or small of a variable it is, it is still a variable that needs to be avoided when you’re trying to make a point exclusively about ram speeds.
@@tomgreene5388 He could have protected himself from a lot of criticism by stating what you just stated, when you don't mention it's for neebz only don't act all bothered when you get memed on for it.
25%....obviously within margin of error.
LMFAO... When I saw his video my first reaction thought "Buildzoid would go CRAZY if he watches this shit" LOL
Funny thing is can't find any of the comments saying the same thing, might be deleting them 'cause he's very emotional.
yeah hes using a 4090 where as at least jay didn't
this video only show 1 game.. while Jay show multiple benchmark..
I've been calling him out for the last 2 years. He's lazy in everything he does. I can't believe more people don't call him out
This dude should honestly be the biggest tech RUclipsr he’s clearly passionate
@@dyyylllaannn Truth = annoying
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this video from you. When I watched the first 5 minutes of Jay’s video, I knew that you would have a future roast incoming 😂
I was with you until you said that "This is the AMD experience"... All I was going to be critical of here was that instead of mocking Jay you should actually explain what's going on instead of assuming everyone knows what's up. But since you lost me after you obligatory Intel fanboy comment, you DO understand that all of your DDR5 speeds aren't in gear 1, why dont you talk about that? I cant wait till Zen 5 hammers the nail further in the coffin (not saying I dont like Intel, most of my machines are Intel builds btw)
he's the most smug, arrogant and insufferable techtuber ever. one can only despise him.
And the worst part i think Jay believes he is right with this memory speed thing, i don't even know how his video was sponsored by a ram manufacturer and that manufacturer hasn't got mad because Jay dished their fast memory.
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Let's not forget that Jay was the MAIN fear mongerer that brought forth the entire "fear the POSCap" situation with the release of the RTX 3k series even though POSCaps are higher quality..
Wasn't that more Gamers Nexus, he was so scared about it he made a video while he was on holiday doing his BMX stuff.
@@bigpoppa1234
If you're talking about the video that waas released 3 years ago titled "The Real Problem with RTX 3080 Crashes is NVIDIA'S Paranoia of Leaks" wherein at 0:40 he states: "There's actually been more development to this story, so the addon that you're not going to hear me talking about in the biking video witht he capacitors and crashing stuff; is that Nvidia's released a driver now, which according EVGA, their six cap cards are no longer crashing with that driver change by Nvidia when they were before, so, there's more to this than just the caps"; and later at 4:12 he states "basics of the issue: there's one issue we started researching right before we left, we only had an hour researching it, it's not much time, where the partners are pushing frequency too aggressively like over 2Ghz, and cards will crash when they peak. That's one issue, other one, is the capacitors on the back of the GPU socket being problematic, and I'm not going to talk about the electrical side of it. I'll leave that to other people, but I can talk about like, why this happened, and it's a bit of a partner's fault, a bit Nvidia's fault, and of course partners are very fast to throw Nvidia under the bus, Nvidia, I'm sure will throw partners under the bus..."
"As for the part that's nvidia's fault, a couple things. One of them is that Nvidia's so paranoid about leaks that it's hurting itself", etc. I'm afraid you misunderstood the point of their video entirely.
Steve wasn't saying that the poscaps were the issue, he was saying that their overly aggressive use of them as a filter was a PART of the problem paired with the fact that Nvidia was so paranoid of leaks that they didn't give AIB partners enough time hands on with the drivers and manufacturing specs to PROPERLY design the cards, and technically speaking he was right on the money.
With the RTX 3k release Nvidia told AIB partners that "In order to sell a card of this series you MUST design a new heatsink that cost relative amount in R&D and production as the one we've manufactured" then gave them the information they needed to do it SIX MONTHS later than they normally do giving them an entire MONTH - just one - to figure EVERYTHING they needed to out about these cards, and as you can imagine, that's simply NOT enough time. Adding to this now farced inflation thanks to Ngreedia we had companies SCRAMBLING to try and push out an AIB model in order to try and even stay RELEVANT; and the result was a lot of cards that simply weren't designed properly in a number of ways with one of them being the poscaps.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Steve, or his stance on the issue, but if I'm being frank he has/had a MUCH more quantitative understanding of the issue than most any other "techtuber" that was covering the situation.
Lest we forget, Stephen Burke is one of the only ones of them that actually HAS a background in electrical engineering. The rest of them are pretty much just "self-taught plebs" and I'm in NO way bashing "self-taught" because I'm one of them as well, AND an electrical engineer; but I will say that a proper HISTORY of working with electrical applications and theory helps a hell of a lot more in understanding how this issue came to be than a microsoft certification for software obtained during your tenure as IT.
Forgive any typos, I tried not to spend too long typing this up.
You start questioning the choices when it comes to you actually building the computer.
@terliccc I've seen people boast about putting high end parts in a compact case and boast how the idle Temps are 60C. Lol
@terliccc they also over-promote unlockable CPUs to people who don't need em. Even Intel didn't ship any non-K CPUs for 14th Gen. I rendered a non-K i5 with intel limitations and the temperature didn't even go up that much, less than 5C. Sometimes it didnt move up at all. I may buy an i7 or i9 just to see what those would look like with those settings. But personally, I don't need a computer over 5GHz. Overclocking is pretty interesting though.
Ram testing on average framerates was really something else in the realm of hardware youtuber incompetence, holy shit...
Man I knew you were going to say something about that video. That's freaking awesome.
"If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't own a PC." That's like saying if you don't know how to rebuild your engine, tune your own A/F, add or take timing out then you shouldn't own a car. What a stupid thing to say. It's no different. Install your RAM and enable XMP. Buy a car, turn key and drive.
It's more like if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be spreading a bunch of misinformation online for clickbait views
If you don't know how to rebuild an engine you shouldn't be educating others on that topic, no?
Hold on. Didn't Jay's chart shows that faster ram gives more fps at 1080p? Your test was also at 1080p. So what is the problem? not shelling for anyone but am I missing the point here?
Hi, what’s your opinion about apex encore vs formula? i need a full white build :(
So I've been mislead? At 4k gaming do I gain alot from anything over 6000 mhz?
Whats the used q-tip talking about
Yeah, it's pretty bad, but to be fair, there's a _violent_ difference in his audience and your audience. The average normie that watches Jay or Linus isn't tuning their 4090 and direct die cooled 14900ks to get 500 FPS in CoD at 1080p. They're buying a 4060 and a 12600 on a cheap b660 to play Hogwarts and Palworld at 1440p ultra. For that customer they *_won't_* see a real difference in DDR4 and DDR5, let alone 4800 and 7200 DDR5 and it would be stupid to spend twice as much on your memory when it's far better spent towards the GPU.
I build a ton of systems and 99% of them are on a hard budget below $1500 or lower in these times thanks to Bidenomics. For the overwhelming majority of users that can't afford even a 4070ti I have a huge difference in what I recommend and what I buy for myself.
It's easy to go all PCMR and say "don't be poor", but I will do anything in my power to get another gamer off of Gaystation and into PC gaming.
Eh even ltt showed that faster ram among ddr5 gets you appreciable fps difference. That's the video where I settled on a cl30 6000 for the best performance to cost for me. The real flaw with techtubers for normal people is they err on the side of caution since their audience doesn't have 3k to spend on the best of the best components. I even take that into consideration when I use their information.
But at 1440p&4k it doesn't really make a difference... I think that was the point of the video he said that at the end.
It does
The lack of real gamers is serious. If you're not a real gamer, why even be so interested in PC performance. Ill tell ya why. They lost the love for gaming a long time ago as they aged as did I until discovering VR!
Jay also said to go out an buy gpus NOW (right before the crash begins).
He is (or was) an EVGA shill.
All of USA cityzen apparently is EVGA shill for some reason. I don't know why people simps for them way too much.
How much difference would I get in performance if I upgrade to 4600 from 3600 ddr4?
I haven't watched Jay since he told everyone to hurry up an buy nVidia cards on black fri
dude there was so many normies that bought that day to lol...... God dam shame......
@@gildfps true..... I'm pretty sure that would of been against the Geneva Conventions.... Lol......
I find your video a bit too arrogant. Youre NOT wrong but Jay too.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to find the right timings (all) for AM5?
Many of you simply forget the big differences in the quality of the hardware. The spread spectrum are realy big (MB, CPU, RAM and so on)!!!! e.g. 13900K from here is never the same as your 13900K
hi, man, can you show what tune timings you use?
he literally said he wasnt talking about the hardcore esports players.. but the podcast i watched with you in it the other day even the guy said you tailor to people trying to spend 10,000 dollars on a single setup while other tubers try and save money for people.. he was spot on.. cause what i got from your video just now is spend 150 on ram while jay was saying pay 80 dollars and get a better cpu
I've watched that Jay video yesterday... Couldn't help myself and think "oh oh...maybe Jufes has something to say about this"
Optimum clearly loves and plays games a ton. The guy seems to go hard as f in any hobby he begins but it's obvious he's cracked at shooters.
*I NEVER use synthetic benchmarks to determine the gains or losses in hardware. I use MSi Afterburner with OSD and run the exact same environment to get an average. Ie: GTA 5 and driving at high speeds on the highway through the city on the same route. Where you typically lose 25% framerate.*
Also, my 2x16 GB (32GB kit) of G.Skill Z5 Trident 7,200 ram was cheap. $130 USD.
I wish the tRAS was lower. But the 115 I have is good. For the Corsair Dominator Platinum with the EXACT same specs has a tRAS of 96. But for $100 more. No thanks.
The manufacturers have figured out how to maximize the benchmarks in ways that don't translate to better performance in a game.
The only reason I'd watch Jay is if 1. I'm bored and 2) If I need a good laugh from someone who clearly rode the short bus as a kid.
I thought Ryzen was the way to go, if I want to build the most high end system, what would you recommend? 14th gen intel? Thanks
I just found your channel hilarious reaction. BTW I remember a couple years ago watching tech tubers and yelling at my screen "you fing idiots!! What is wrong with you??" Now people are finally calling it out. The Verge all over again.
I generally can't really handle your videos because of the way you rant. But for once, I would say that this video is quite good with minimal ranting and more to the point which I like. Please make more videos like this.
Say what's wrong with it instead
Mate, it’s ridiculous how these guys get so big with the information they throw around.
Good to see you calling it out dude! Keep it up pal! Big support from the UK.
can someone please tell me if i can run Halo infinite at 360fps 1080p with a higher end gpu like a 4080 without creating a bottleneck ? jay2cents said this would happen unless i play at 1440p. thanks
It’s actually a blessing watching your content for the facts because I’ve probably build like 15 pc’s in my life experienced a lot of bs and what I’ve concluded from every expansive life lesson is that ryzen gets gassed up for being the best but in reality intel is always better and most of all way more reliable. Almost everywhere you look people will tell you ram don’t matter when in facts it matters a lot if your going for high fps. And lastly amd will always get overhyped because Nvidia is to expansive but they are also simply better mostly because of reliability.
It’s awesome to watch someone telling the actual facts I’ve experienced everything first hand and sadly found your channel afterwards but if someone asks me who to watch for reliable source it’s gotta be jufes.
Thanks for the great content and keep it up!
Uh hold up Cees, I tel used to be the best. But as far as current ryzen stats and watt per $$ AMD is definitely mopping the floor with 7800x3d compared to 13th gens etc. Intel pushes 250+w whole AMD under 100w all day long on similar bench tests
@@Giggidygiggidy12 you give the answer yourself amd is the best performance to dollar whise, amd is also the best performance to watt ratio, but if your talking simply what’s the best processor money can buy it’s still intel 7800x3d can compete with intel when you talk about optimized games yes but a 10th gen or 14th gen intel will give you a few fps more in an optimized scenario so i will always look at games wich are highly cpu demanding and then intel will always win they don’t have the am-dip and they can push ram way better wich also impacts most cpu demanding games. Also the way intel simply works and amd is always fiddling around turning this ccd off to get the game to run on the other ccd is just annoying they don’t have it windows optimized at all. And then you buy an expo rated ram kit nothing crazy you set expo on and just want to play games it will run fine for 10 starts and the 11th one it will crash for no reason and your stuck in memory training for 10 minutes.
I want to upgrade to DDR5 now but I also need a motherboard. I was thinking of getting: CMP32GX5M2X7200C34 7200MHz CL34.
What is one of the most high speed RAM stable motherboards out there?
I have a DDR4 system now.
Other specs of my system:
13900K, Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420, 4090, MSI - MEG Ai1300P PCIE 5.0 PSU.
I want to upgrade because I'm still on ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 motherboard and DDR4 3600 14-15-15-35 TF10D432G3600HC14CDC01. Looks like it's worth it upgrading to DDR5 but Intel might release a new socket soon.
if you're planning on buying a new motherboard to upgrade just wait for the next socket update and go from there then sell your current mobo CPU and Ram as a package
You're the only PC youtuber I still watch since I got into building pcs in 2013, you still seem to have the passion for high fps cpu limit breaking pcs. I find that most LinusTT-like tech youtubers are a plague on this site as they always feel the need to add 7-8 minutes of pointless context or ad reads and a lot of them don't really play games much anymore and they tend to focus on other areas of their life. If they'd only make videos less than 5 minutes and only talk about issues they had or why they tested a certain way then show the dang fps numbers then maybe I'd watch them again. Otherwise I'd rather spend the time myself to crunch the numbers and find what works. Even the 'good' channels like gamers nexus think it's ok to not even use 7200MHz ram when testing the i9 14900K against AMD, just because AMD can't easily hit those numbers doesn't mean they shouldn't use better sticks for intel.
Keep up the good work!
IDK what's worse, to watch Jay on how to choose PC components or just buy a prebuild PC
Glad you caught this, thank you
GN tries to target a more mainstream audience. Your audience doesn't really translate through to any mainstream. Maximum fps really isn't mainstream, since it's so expensive. Spending 4k$ on a pc every 2 years isn't in 99.9% of peoples budgets.
look at 7:47 right under where it says Memory Type is your clock speed and it says 2400 MHz not 4800 MHz which it should for your test to be correct and then CL numbers should be 40-40-40-72
Is 6400 cl32 good? Or should I upgrade to 8000? 13700k @ 5.2ghz and a 3090ti ftw3 if that matters.
if you have to ask, don't bother
it is very tedious and requires you to know what you are doing
@@catonturtle3202 Seconded, it's a rather advanced skill and quite time consuming.
@@catonturtle3202I reckon you’re right brother
the benchmark that shows no difference, lets use this one guys.
Jay and linus no longer techtubers theyre more like journalists/entertainers nowadays. I've got to say, you hurt my feelings all the time, cuz i have an all amd rig but I Love your content man, its pretty based
My favorite thing is when people are whining about FPS while the CPU and GPU are under 80% usage, and when you say something about memory bandwidth, latency, XMP/tuning, etc, you get the internet equivalent of blank stares and drool.
Mister, computer game players are not just those who call themselves competitive players. I've been playing for around 30 years and for me what matters is the highest possible resolution and the best image quality that can be obtained at a minimally acceptable FPS number, which varies depending on the game in question. I've been playing at 4K since 2016 and the graphics card is always the bottleneck. That's why I only spend the minimum amount on the CPU and its memories so that these two components don't become a major bottleneck at 4K.The money I save with this option all goes towards the graphics card! And Jay, around 15 minutes in, talks about you!
is the mw3 in game benchmark broken does anyone know, it just crashes with me
I literally just block anything from Jay and HWU. Takes awhile for the algorhythm to take the hint and realise I'm not interested in having 15 to 20 minutes of my time wasted on straight up misinformation for the sake of adsense lol
maybe he is secretly just trying to get people to stop buying DDR5 to upgrade their Pcs to help the pricing of RAM go down
Thats why I unsubscribed from all of them and started supporting you.
I absolutely love your no bullshit channel this means allot to have someone like you doing content like this that we as consumers don't get screwed over.
I would really like to do a paid session to help me tune my system but maybe at a later stage as I also got screw over financially but will definitely do this at a later stage this year. Thank you for your content buddy you are awesome.
Wait, on that CL 40-40-40-40, shouldn't the last one be much bigger ? Like 150 ? Isn't that the refresh time, and the higher the better ? I don't remember exactly.
40-40-40-77-177 for example.
in my opinion, your the one who deserves the views and clicks these sponsored " techtubers " get.
Break my heart and give me truth!! The real unbiased truth. Just give it to me straight! Thank you Jufes!
I knew this had to be coming 😅
As soon as I saw the title of Jay's video I knew shit was going down xD Glad I followed you that other time you called out Boxed on the memory rank debacle.
Man, the comments near launch were full of normies applauding Jay for showing them that they "don't need fast RAM". It's so unfortunate how many low knowledge people are just looking for validation. He could have just gone with how tedious DDR5 tuning is, annoyance of FAFO and could have made the conclusion that way, but instead falsified that there are no measurable gains.
I thought of you the moment I saw this video, Jufes and couldn't wait for your response.
11:55 you Bill Burr’s computer tweaking and esports 1440pppppeeehhhhhh son he never talks about?
Fuckin brutal!
Thank the heavens that someone like you is here to help us not fall for the bull
As soon as I saw that Jay video title …. My iq dropped about 100 points 🤦♂🤦♀🤡🤡
This is where the real pc Masters Gather.😮
Preach!
that face after the 4800 test 😂😂 what a stooge that jay guy
My first thought seeing that video the other day was “ I can’t wait for FC to see this”
Where has HUB said misinfo??? HUB actually play games and steve plays esports titles??? While tim plays SP stuff mostly... Everything about RAM they have done has shown a clear advantage to tuned RAM and faster RAM, they just don't recommend the absolute best as it gains almost nothing for 99% of people while costing a fuck ton more... Do you actually watch HUB at all???
He's gone over HUB not understanding things in the past, look for his HUB reaction video, they've fucked up bad.
@@Wobbothe3rd looked into it and looked more into this guy. Cant lie, this guy is a complete fool. Dont know if he still does his stupid scam but he literally wanted people to pay $500 for him to tune your PC... And the guy is shit at OCing, he OCs, shows a game and calls it stable, then it crashes on anything else... So not stable at all. If you want actual info on hardware and OCing go watch buildzoid, at least he isn't some self absorbed ass who thinks he is better than everyone like this guy does. When again in reality he knows little and even straight up spreads false info.
@@Wobbothe3rd lmfao my comment was deleted. This guy isnt a good guy nor is he that knowledgeable, there have been plenty of times he has claimed a stable OC... To only crash on stream. He has no idea how to actually OC and is biased towards intel/Nvidia, going so far to literally spread false info on AMD. Going even further to say intel and Nvidia's problems are not as bad. After looking through his vids you are better off just watching anyone else on the subject. This guy is a weirdo who needs help.
The only reason J became something is because he does build for celebrities, but thech wise, he lacks knowledge.
Jay became fairly big way before the terry crews and post malone builds and he has his fair share of knowledge in certain areas of pcs. However, here's the problem : nowdays, unlike in his earlier days where he only made content about shit he really cared about and had actual knowledge of, he feels obligated to make content about every single area of pcs and the results of that are videos like the ram video where he talks about shit he clearly has 0 fucking clue about. This video was crystal clear misinformation and jufus absolutely nailed it. He could've only made that video on purpose to create controversy around it. He can't be that stupid, ignorant and lazy.